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Welcome to Grounded Wellness. 
I'm your host Bethany McDaniel, 

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founder of Primarily Pure, mom 
of Three, and biohacking 

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enthusiast. 
We created this podcast to bring

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you practical advice to live a 
more vibrant and intentional 

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life rooted in long lasting 
health. 

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We record right here on our 
regenerative farm, grounded with

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our feet in the soil, exploring 
bold truths, overlooked wisdom, 

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and holistic tools that support 
true well-being. 

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These conversations will 
challenge everything you know 

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about health and Wellness. 
Doctor Paul Saladino is a board 

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certified MDA certified 
Nutritionist and author of the 

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best selling book, The Carnivore
Code. 

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He is widely known for 
pioneering the animal based 

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movement and for challenging 
just about every mainstream 

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health narrative from 
cholesterol, fear to the 

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demonization of sunlight. 
Whether it's ditching seed oils,

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living off the grid in Costa 
Rica, or refusing to use 

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conventional sunscreen, Paul 
truly lives what he teaches. 

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His approach blends clinical 
experience, ancestral wisdom, 

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and a deep connection to the 
body's innate intelligence. 

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Get ready for a conversation 
that's radically honest, 

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refreshingly controversial, and 
rooted in the kind of truth that

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gets people fired up. 
Let's dig in. 

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Paul Saladino, thank you so much
for coming out here today. 

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I have been following you and 
consuming your content for 

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years. 
I even read the Carnivore Code 

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when it first came out. 
And I just want to say there's 

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two things that I really admire 
about you. 

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One, you are willing to take a 
bold stance on things even in 

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the face of criticism. 
And two, you are OK with 

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changing your mind publicly, 
which I think it's something 

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that a lot of people aren't 
willing to do. 

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And to me, it's not a sign of 
weakness, it's a sign of 

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humility and courage. 
So I really appreciate that 

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about you. 
Thanks. 

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For having me out here, it's 
beautiful. 

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Speaking of controversy, yeah, 
let's talk about the sun. 

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Let's do it. 
So we just launched a non nano 

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tallow based zinc oxide 
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And with that, we did a 
billboard campaign with the 

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catch phrase, the sun isn't 
poison, but your sunscreen is. 

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And this sparked a firestorm of 
controversy in the media and 

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among dermatologists. 
And I know that this is 

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something that you've been 
talking about for a really long 

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time. 
So I want to get a full 

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breakdown of your stance on 
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Do you think the sun is 
something that people should 

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avoid? 
No, definitely not. 

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I mean, we're outside right now 
and this is a beautiful podcast 

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studio. 
This is amazing. 

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And there's so many things that 
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being in the sun. 
I think that like anything in 

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our lives as humans, there's a 
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You know, you can get 
hyponatremia from drinking too 

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much water. 
And we know that no matter how 

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healthy you are, if you spend 
too much time in the sun, you 

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can get a burn on your skin. 
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humans. 
But if you look at other 

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animals, every animal knows when
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A dog will be in the sun 
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be warm, a cat, but then they 
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And I think intrinsically, 
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We know, if we're aware of it, 
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sun. 
I did my residency after medical

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school in Seattle, so I was at 
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I spent a lot of time in the 
hospital, and Seattle has about 

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90 days a year of good weather. 
And I can tell you that after a 

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very long, cold, rainy winter, 
it felt viscerally good to walk 

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outside of the hospital or my 
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sunlight. 
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It's because when you are in 
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full spectrum light with the 
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beyond vitamin D like 
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So endorphins are those feel 
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go for a run or you lift 
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And your body, the human body, 
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previous to that hominid and and
primate evolution are connecting

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us to the sun in a way that 
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So why would it be bad for us, 
right, per SE, or in any dose, 

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as mainstream dermatologists 
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of relative lack of sunlight 
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this just feels good to be in 
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Like, put me in the sun. 
Your body is giving you this 

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feedback. 
Like go in the sun, please. 

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Yeah, it's almost like a basic 
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drawn to it very naturally. 
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We know that in the morning, 
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light is valuable for in 
training circadian rhythm at the

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level of the eye and the Super 
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But even throughout the day, 
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the sun or outside in the shade 
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So I think it's interesting to 
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sunlight like what we have 
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lighting. 
So natural sunlight outdoors has

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a full spectrum, right? 
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full spectrum of visible 
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balanced, red, orange, yellow, 
blue-green, Violet that are not 

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enriched in blue. 
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light. 
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of infrared UV, a full spectrum 
of visible light and it doesn't 

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flicker, right. 
So sunlight doesn't flicker at 

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That is a totally different 
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and unconsciously at the level 
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our nervous system, our eyes and
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lighting. 
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the bulb that you are using to 
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If you are sitting by a 
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that's pretty close to sunlight.
It doesn't really have as much 

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ultraviolet, doesn't really have
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visible spectrum of wavelengths 
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has some infrared. 
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bulb, well, an incandescent bulb
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So we have indoor lighting. 
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fire light. 
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That's the, that's amazing. 

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That's pretty close to being 
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Then you have an incandescent 
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bulb that we made, right? 
That's like the idea of an 

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Edison bulb. 
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even seen one of these bulbs 
because they haven't been in 

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circulation in a while. 
But you can still buy them on 

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Amazon. 
They're outlawed in certain 

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current administration may have 
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Yeah, I heard that you. 
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But the way these work is you 
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goes between two contact points 
and you run a current, you run 

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electrons through a tungsten 
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filament heats up and the heat 
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creates light. 
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are coming off that tungsten 
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So it's basically fire in a 
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And what's interesting about 8, 
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has infrared, again, doesn't 
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but it has a visible spectrum 
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find outdoors. 
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functionally. 
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steady light because you're 
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I don't want to get too 
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All of the electricity that you 
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alternating current. 
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at about 120 Hertz. 
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light bulb per second along the 
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alternating current from your 
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filament, your brain, we don't 
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current may be flickering on and
off, the tungsten filament stays

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hot and produces light as the 
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Does that make sense? 
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off the tungsten filament 
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0. 
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flicker in general from like an 
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light? 
It's probably very disruptive to

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our nervous system and I did 
some content about this. 

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If you use your iPhone and you 
do slow MO right, and you're in 

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Home Depot, we did this, or 
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fluorescent or LED lights and 
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you slow it down, you can see 
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They're flickering at a 
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consciously something that we're
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But when you slow it down just a
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flickering. 
And that's not something that we

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are used to as humans, and it 
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sympathetic nervous system that 
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or effects our circadian rhythms
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I know from personal experience 
this is just my end of one, but 

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I've heard lots of people repeat
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The newer iPhones, right? 
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has a lot of flicker on it 
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So the MacBook flickers much 
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But in in this case, the MacBook
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because the more it flickers, 
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Even though the screen is 
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we perceive it as constant 
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The the iPhone flickers much 
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there's certain frequencies of 
flicker that are very disruptive

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to us. 
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phone for, you know, more than a
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sleep, it may affect how easily 
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sure. 
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take the blue light out of my 
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you can change the the color 
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You can make it more orange and 
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still does it. 
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sensitive this. 
I mean, you can walk into banks 

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or other places and you just 
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It just feels horrible. 
I've become so averse to 

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fluorescent light now and like, 
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I hate staring at my phone and 
so I know millennials get made 

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fun of this, but I will use my 
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like a a task that takes longer 
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Me too, me too. 
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I'm on my laptop. 
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And so the other solution you 
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Like it's not as good as your 
MacBook, but I had a friend on 

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my podcast and he was telling me
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that the older iPhones, the 
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width distribution that gets 
pretty technical, but it doesn't

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flicker as much as the newer 
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It still flickers more than a a 
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But anyway, it's just like when 
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you can almost viscerally sense,
like you either get a headache 

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or you feel stressed or you just
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We know that at the extremes, 
some people are sensitive to 

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flickering light and that's how 
we induce seizures in Western 

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medicine that some of these 
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anywhere that there's like 
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people that are sensitive to 
that they have to these 

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establishments or some videos 
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cause a seizure. 
So at some level, flickering 

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light can be so disruptive to 
some people's nervous system 

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that they will actually have a 
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So the flicker is something that
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aware of, but it's very 
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And then you have the whole blue
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indoors, whether it's LED or 
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in blue light. 
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computers and all the screens we
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right? 
It's, it has, you can look at 

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the spectrum visually and 
there's this big spike in blue. 

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And what we know about blue 
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And this is all different 
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So the wavelength of red light 
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of blue light or green light. 
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diode and LED, it's, it's 
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light that is enriched in blue. 
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part of what wakes us up and 
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that can be harmful. 
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potentially stressful to our 
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The level of our eye. 
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to macular degeneration and some
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all day. 
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your tissues, your skin, your 
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incandescent bulbs, to go 
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glasses, which we can do at 
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light at night can be 
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melatonin production. 
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wavelengths don't appear to be 
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But it's there's a lot of people
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of blue light in our 
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think about your environment 
when you are indoors. 

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That's what we should be scared 

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of, not outdoor lighting, not 
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causes photo aging and causes 
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skin cancer. 
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ultraviolet light doesn't cause 
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hard to know, right? 
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and if you are in ultraviolet 
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ultraviolet light, that may 
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the ultraviolet light is 
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harmful to our skin. 
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yeah, ultraviolet light may be 
harmful. 

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It depends on the health of your
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this? 
We create this with what we eat,

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so we'll get there and then we 
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getting. 
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And then the idea of sunlight 
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what you guys, I think, poke the
bear with with these 

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dermatologists. 
And that is very controversial. 

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But if you really look at the 
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argument that sunlight is 
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cancer of the skin in the way 
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Yeah, it gets a little 
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We can go down those rappers if 
you want. 

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Yeah, I want. 
To there's so much nuance to the

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conversation and our whole goal 
with with the campaign was just 

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to spark this conversation 
because there's been a whole lot

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of boldness from the side of 
avoid the sun 100% at all costs.

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Never go in the sun. 
Absolutely. 

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What? 
So for decades, you know, and 

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we're saying, hey, there's more 
to the story than just avoid the

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sun. 
And we're actually missing out 

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on a lot when we avoid the sun. 
But it's like we can't even have

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a conversation about these 
things anymore. 

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Why do you think that these 
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highly charged in our society? 
I don't know. 

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I mean, food is religious now. 
Sunlight is very religious. 

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I, I think that as doctors, you 
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trained Dr. we, we're very proud
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potentially we shouldn't be, 
we're not as smart as we think 

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we are. 
I've changed my mind on a lot of

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things. 
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imagine that we know the answers
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us and take our, our, our, our 
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just not the truth. 
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I, I don't know why doctors are 
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just, there is no ethos within 
Western medicine toward 

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conversation. 
It's just, this is the way we do

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it. 
And that's, that's how I was 

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taught, right? 
This is the way you do it. 

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Do not vary from this. 
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institution of Western medicine 
is certainly in order to become 

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a doctor, you have to be very 
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And I think that most doctors 
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work very hard, but I think that
the medical system creates a, a 

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cadre of physicians that are 
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curiosity than average, right? 
It creates it, it, it kind of, 

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and it's not the doctor's fault.
I think it's the system and the 

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education system's fault. 
It kind of locks us into our 

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ideas. 
And that's not good. 

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So it's it's really hard because
it's very hard to challenge 

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anything in medicine and to not 
get fervent pushback, whether 

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it's lipids, right, cholesterol,
which ties into the whole 

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equation because, you know, we 
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cholesterol in the human skin 
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vitamin D. 
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whether it's lipids and LDL, 
whether it's sunlight, if you 

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challenge the mainstream 
thinking in Western medicine, 

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you are. 
They're coming for you. 

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They're coming for you. 
We'll let them come. 

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You know, it's interesting. 
You've been accused of fear 

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mongering before, Probably we've
been accused of fear mongering 

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with this campaign, which of 
course is not our intention. 

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Our intention is to spark 
conversation. 

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But what would you say to anyone
who would call these things that

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we're talking about fear 
mongering? 

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I think that curious 
conversation has become the new 

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fear mongering, right? 
Anytime that you ask people to 

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think about hard things, there 
will be those in society who 

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have kind of these visceral 
reactions and the the knee jerk 

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response is your fear mongering.
I think that there's this is 

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kind of a broader philosophical 
topic, but I think that so often

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now in society, there's just 
these labels getting thrown 

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around these sort of like 
denigrating labels, whether it's

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you're an anti this or an anti 
that, you're an anti science 

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person, whatever. 
That's I think that's the way 

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that a lot of people in our 
society now sort of invalidate 

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someone and say you're not 
credible. 

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I'm just going to give you a 
name, I'm going to give you a 

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moniker. 
You're a fear monger, you're an 

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anti XYZ. 
And and they think that it 

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somehow invalidates what you're 
saying, but it's really not the 

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case. 
But I think that's just the knee

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jerk reaction. 
I don't like what you're saying.

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I'm going. 
To It makes me feel 

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uncomfortable so I'm going to 
label. 

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You, I'm going to label you as 
this and I don't have to listen 

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to you. 
Yeah, It's just OK. 

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You don't actually want to have 
a conversation about this. 

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That's fine, But it's more about
them and it is about us, right? 

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I think that, you know, bringing
up ideas that are contrary to 

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what people think or that 
challenge the way that we live 

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is that's how we grow. 
And whether it's me talking 

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about, hey, did you know this is
in your drinking water? 

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Oh, you're fear mongering. 
Well, no, I'm just pointing out 

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that like the Environmental 
working Group has looked at your

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tap water and has 259 times the 
upper limit of trihalomethanes 

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and you probably shouldn't be 
drinking that because they're 

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estrogenic. 
Or did you know what's in your 

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toothpaste? 
Or did you know that these 

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things that you're doing living 
near a golf course is associated

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with two plus times the rate of 
Parkinson's? 

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Oh, you're fear mongering. 
You know, I'm giving you 

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information. 
It's. 

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Kind of an easy way to just 
dismiss it and therefore I don't

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have to pay attention to it and 
I don't have to feel 

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uncomfortable and really 
consider what you're saying. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
It's, it's, I mean, this is this

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is kind of the social media in a
nutshell. 

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It's about other people's 
visceral reaction to us sharing 

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ideas. 
And it's not that the idea is 

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bad or that sharing the idea is 
bad. 

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It's that they're having this 
visceral reaction and that's how

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they how they sort of like. 
Like a coping mechanism. 

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Yeah, make it into a thought. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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OK. 
I want to go back to the sun. 

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You have said that Melanoma is 
not a sun related cancer. 

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Can you break that down for us? 
Yeah, so there's three different

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types of skin cancer people 
think about. 

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There's squamous, basal and 
Melanoma. 

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Melanoma is by far the most 
feared and for good reason. 

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It's the most aggressive skin 
based cancer in western 

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medicine. 
But if you look at the data, 

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Melanoma is not really a sun 
associated with cancer. 

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Outdoor workers who have sort of
chronic low level exposure or 

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moderate level exposure to the 
sun are actually protected 

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against Melanoma. 
Acute exposure, burning exposure

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may increase the risk of 
Melanoma, but it's not actually 

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clear. 
A lot of times when people get 

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melanomas they occur in places 
that never see the sun. 

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Bob Marley I believe died of a 
Melanoma on the bottom of his 

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foot, right? 
Wow, nobody tans like this. 

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No right. 
That's not a sun associated 

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cancer. 
Melanoma is a cancer of the 

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melanin producing cells of the 
skin. 

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But that like it's not sun 
associated. 

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Yeah, I interviewed a 
dermatologist and he said that 

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the most deadly forms of 
Melanoma do not have AUV 

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signature. 
I guess they can tell by the 

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look of of the disease whether 
or not it has this UV signature 

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and the most deadly types do 
not. 

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So when it comes to Melanoma, I 
don't think the sun is number 

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123 or 4 in terms of causes. 
What is causing Melanoma? 

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It's a little hard to say. 
There's definitely some research

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that associates higher levels of
linoleic acid in the skin with 

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increased incidence of Melanoma.
There's a hundred person cohort 

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in Australia that showed that 
the study was published in 1987.

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It's no further research has 
been done on that that I'm aware

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of. 
But there's some research 

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linking levels of linoleic acid 
in the skin and the blood and 

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the fat to higher levels of 
Melanoma, which would make sense

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when you think about it because 
linoleic acid is this Omega 6 

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polyunsaturated fat. 
Any time you have more double 

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bonds in the fatty acid 
molecule, it's more susceptible 

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to oxidation, which is 
essentially breakdown of the fat

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or damage to the fat. 
And so I, I found this study 

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today in preparation for, I knew
we were going to talk about the 

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sun and I'd been thinking about 
this and I actually found a 

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really interesting study in 
humans. 

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There's, there's a good amount 
of literature in animals showing

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that higher linoleic acid diets 
worsen skin cancers associated 

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with, you know, ultraviolet 
light exposure. 

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And these are probably squamous 
and basal, not necessarily 

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melanomas. 
That's been pretty well 

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established in animal studies. 
And in humans, there was a study

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done where they took skin 
stripping, which is a technique 

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where the dermatologist will 
take skin. 

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They take the stratum corneum 
off your skin and sort of take a

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piece of tape and peel it off 
your skin. 

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And they use that as an in vivo 
model. 

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00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,600
And when they expose that 
stratum corneum from human skin 

456
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,200
to higher amounts of linoleic 
acid, there was increased 

457
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,400
oxidation and increased 
inflammation and exposed to 

458
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,720
ultraviolet light with a with 
with linoleic acid. 

459
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,200
Linoleic acid directly on the 
skin, you're saying? 

460
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,240
Directly on the skin, not even 
eating it, Yeah. 

461
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,520
Directly on the skin, Just to 
clarify for our audience, the 

462
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,200
primary source of linoleic acid 
in the diet is from seed oils. 

463
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:10,280
Seed oils. 
Seed oils? 

464
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,760
Yeah, you have soybean oil, 55% 
linoleic acid, give or take. 

465
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,880
Corn oil, peanut oils, canola 
oil, one of the other common 

466
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,720
ones, sunflower, safflower. 
Yeah. 

467
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,280
And the thing about seed oils is
we don't really need to belabor 

468
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,640
them because they're only in 
foods that you would not want to

469
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,760
eat, right? 
So they're in processed foods. 

470
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,520
If people are not eating highly 
processed, ultra processed 

471
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,360
foods, you're probably not 
getting a lot of seed oils. 

472
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,200
Just don't buy the canola oil in
the store and cook with it. 

473
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,520
Unless you're eating out a lot 
and. 

474
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,320
Yeah, you could eat if. 
Yeah, again, if you're eating 

475
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:40,920
out a lot. 
And then sometimes I think salad

476
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,920
dressings, yeah, are the sneaky 
place where seed oils end up 

477
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,080
because no salad dressing 
company is going to put organic 

478
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,000
extra virgin olive oil in their 
salad dressing. 

479
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,440
And, you know, this is the, the,
the thing about tallow, which is

480
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,440
organic, this is organic 
chemistry. 

481
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,840
Tallow is not liquid at room 
temperature. 

482
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,640
So we can't put tallow on our 
salad, which is, you know, the 

483
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,120
great tragedy of life and the 
salad. 

484
00:22:02,120 --> 00:22:03,840
Tallow doesn't make a great 
salad dressing. 

485
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,000
Tallow makes a great face balm 
and and cream and can make great

486
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,040
bases for sunscreens. 
And it's good to cook in. 

487
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:10,920
But tallow's not a good salad 
dressing, OK? 

488
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:12,520
Great olive oil on salad 
dressing. 

489
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,000
Olive oil's fine on salad 
dressings. 

490
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,120
The thing about olive oil is if 
you look at the literature, 

491
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,280
upwards of 75% of olive oil's 
tested are cut with lower 

492
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,680
quality oils. 
So you really want to get like a

493
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,840
single source olive oil. 
And if you're getting an olive 

494
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:31,640
oil, you want it to be in glass,
opaque glass, organic and cold 

495
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,760
pressed. 
So you have a long list. 

496
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,480
There's a litany of sort of 
check boxes for an olive oil and

497
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,080
you can do this. 
But with olive oil, it's almost 

498
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,200
like you need to know a farmer 
to get your meat so you can 

499
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,240
check the quality of the meat. 
You almost need to know an olive

500
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,320
oil producer and know like, OK, 
this is coming from their one 

501
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,480
farm in Spain or the one farm in
Italy because you want it to be 

502
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:52,880
single source. 
If it's multiple sources, 

503
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,400
they're just mixing and you just
the chances of it becoming 

504
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,560
adulterated are quite high. 
The same is true with avocado 

505
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,080
oil. 
I do think that in general, 

506
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,560
olive oil is superior to avocado
when it comes to cooking. 

507
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,640
Or actually I would use tallow 
for cooking. 

508
00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:09,720
If you're using a salad 
dressing, I would use olive over

509
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,240
an avocado and certainly over 
seed oils. 

510
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:14,760
But then you get to this like 
why? 

511
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,080
Why are you eating a salad in 
the 1st place? 

512
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,280
That's like a whole separate, we
can talk about that. 

513
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,120
We can get to that. 
Like, fine, if you want to eat a

514
00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:22,840
salad, great, you do you. 
But yeah, I think an extra 

515
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,520
virgin olive oil is better than 
an avocado. 

516
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,320
It's just that avocado has the 
same problem. 

517
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,240
It's a lot of it's cut with seed
oils and I think that the even. 

518
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,200
If it doesn't say that on the. 
Label, even if it doesn't say 

519
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,160
that on the label just because 
of the quality standards are 

520
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:34,880
poor. 
It's hard to find a single 

521
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,320
source. 
Avocado oil, olive oil is like 

522
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,320
and art, right? 
And olive oil has a longer 

523
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,680
history and a longer sort of 
tradition than avocado. 

524
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,680
So I think that you can find 
artisanal olive oil and heirloom

525
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,800
sort of olive oils, but I don't 
think anyone's doing that at 

526
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,560
scale with avocado oil at this 
point, so. 

527
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,560
This is the hard thing about 
eating out because I, I, I do 

528
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,480
eat out. 
Like we travel, we have kids. 

529
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,640
I try to bring things, you know,
foods to supplement when we eat 

530
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,200
out. 
But also we go to restaurants 

531
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,840
sometimes. 
And I really try to avoid seed 

532
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,800
oils. 
And I'm that person who's asking

533
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,560
questions who's like really 
trying to figure out what's 

534
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,800
going on because they'll say 
right away, Oh yeah, it's cooked

535
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,240
in olive oil. 
And I know immediately, like I'm

536
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,560
sure not not only is it yeah, 
exactly. 

537
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,480
Not only is it probably not just
an olive oil that says olive oil

538
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,240
that may be cut with canola oil.
Like it's probably one of the 

539
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,800
restaurant ones that straight up
says like 5050 olive oil canola 

540
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:29,920
right in. 
Plastic. 

541
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,200
Yeah, yeah. 
Or you go to the omelette bar 

542
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,480
and I'm like, can I have it 
cooked in butter? 

543
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,160
And they're like, we only use 
butter. 

544
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,680
And I'm like, no, you don't Like
it's they'll say this is what 

545
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,480
they say at the omelette bars. 
They'll say we use ghee or we 

546
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,440
use clarified butter is what 
they'll say. 

547
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,840
But it's fully liquid, you know,
like I'm like, there's no way. 

548
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,800
That's just pure ghee. 
Like I've researched this of 

549
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,280
like what they actually use. 
It's always it is clarified 

550
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:53,720
butter, but it's cut with canola
oil. 

551
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,120
And I don't want to like sit 
there and argue with the 

552
00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:58,160
omelette butter guy or the oh, I
do. 

553
00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,920
I don't know. 
I will no. 

554
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:01,800
Show me. 
It depends on the mood, I guess.

555
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,600
Like sometimes I do, sometimes I
don't, but sometimes I'll just 

556
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,000
like grab butter from another 
section and like bring it over 

557
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,320
for them to cook in. 
But I just feel like if more 

558
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,720
people were doing that, if 
everyone was hassling the 

559
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,640
waiters and the the omelette bar
guys, like eventually things 

560
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,680
would shift. 
But it is kind of annoying to 

561
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:17,720
have to it's. 
Super annoying. 

562
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,080
So I was recently in DC for this
make America healthy again 

563
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,880
announcement and that was kind 
of cool. 

564
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,720
But I, I went to dinner with 
some friends and at a restaurant

565
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,120
and I brought lineage tallow. 
So this is my this is my go to. 

566
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,680
So I do not go to restaurants 
now without lineage tallow. 

567
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,840
So I bring my own tallow. 
This is BYOT, you know, I'm 

568
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,320
like, oh you, you like here 
cooking this. 

569
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,640
Have you ever said no? 
They they sometimes won't do it.

570
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,360
So we went to Chipotle and I 
said, will you guys cook food 

571
00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:48,160
for me in this tallow? 
And you know, the, the guys 

572
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,360
behind the counter, you know, 
they're super nice, but they're 

573
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:53,200
just dumb. 
They're like, I don't wanna get,

574
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,960
they call their boss, they call 
the manager. 

575
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,480
The manager's like, no way. 
Like OSHA state, they can't do 

576
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,000
it right. 
But some restaurants will do it 

577
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,280
for me. 
I've had a lot of them do it. 

578
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,120
And some of them are like, no, 
we can't do that because of 

579
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:05,960
cross contamination issues. 
They don't know what's in the 

580
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,600
lineage tallow jar that I have, 
but some of them do it. 

581
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,760
I mean, that restaurant that I 
went to in DC, I'm trying to 

582
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,240
think of the name of the 
restaurant because I would give 

583
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,320
them a shout out. 
They did it for us and they 

584
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,240
cooked steaks for the whole 
table in tallow. 

585
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,840
So it's probably 15 or 20 of us.
And they cooked all the steaks 

586
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,240
on the whole table in tallow 
because I asked them nice, what 

587
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,080
do you cook the steak in? 
And they go vegetable oil. 

588
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,880
And I was just like, no, no, no,
no, no, no. 

589
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,280
Like here, take this whole jar. 
Please tell the chef cook the 

590
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:32,800
steaks in this. 
But that's, that's what I do. 

591
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,400
And. 
Is that standard with steaks? 

592
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,200
Do they still use vegetable oil 
or a lot of times do they just 

593
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,400
use nothing? 
It depends on how they're 

594
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,000
grilling it, right? 
So there's like a restaurant in 

595
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,880
Miami called Fuego and they have
like a, it's the whole idea of 

596
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,320
Fuego. 
I think it's, I forget who the, 

597
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,960
the chef is, but it's a, it's an
like, it's a very unique thing. 

598
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,480
It's a fire based like cooking 
style, right? 

599
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,200
They have wood fired oven and 
they're in that situation. 

600
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,680
They don't have to use oil. 
If they have a grill, they don't

601
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,160
have to use oil. 
If they have a flat top, often 

602
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,360
they will use an oil because 
they want the crust on the steak

603
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,480
and they they they don't want it
to stick. 

604
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,800
That doesn't look as good. 
Restaurants are under this this 

605
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,160
sort of microscope. 
The steak has to taste good and 

606
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,520
look good to the consumer. 
So you can't have, you know, 

607
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,440
like can't be sticking to the 
skillet. 

608
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,600
So a lot of times, and this is 
more common, people think 

609
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,680
restaurants will marinate steaks
in canola oil. 

610
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,600
So I've been to restaurants, 
steak houses, and I say, what 

611
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,560
what is it cooked in? 
And which ones are not marinated

612
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,280
in and out of a restaurant menu 
of 25 to 35 steaks. 

613
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:33,760
This is like, you know, the 
whole steakhouse. 

614
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,840
They have two. 
They're not marinated. 

615
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,760
And you think, OK, well, I'm 
gonna have one of those two. 

616
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,240
Yeah. 
So you just have to be a little 

617
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,200
careful. 
And look, eating one steak that 

618
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,920
was cooked in vegetable oil is 
not gonna kill you. 

619
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,800
But what we're talking about 
here is cumulative exposure over

620
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,360
time, and the more the more we 
are aware, the better choices we

621
00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:52,560
make continually, and that's how
we sort of change the course of 

622
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:53,360
our health. 
Yeah. 

623
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,800
And yeah, with seed oils, not 
only are they inflammatory and 

624
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:01,000
fragile within themselves, just 
by themselves, they are also 

625
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,000
messing with this like omega-3 
to Omega to Omega 6 ratio within

626
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,600
the body. 
Like what? 

627
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:11,280
What about seed oils is 
increasing our susceptibility to

628
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:16,240
different skin cancers? 
Because the we know that so 

629
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,800
polyunsaturated fats are not 
made by the human body. 

630
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,480
We can make saturated fat and we
can convert that to 

631
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,560
monounsaturated fat. 
So we have, we have desaturates 

632
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,760
enzymes and we have saturates, 
you know, so we can make a 

633
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,120
saturated fat and we can convert
that to a monounsaturated fat. 

634
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:34,480
We have the ability 
enzymatically to put 1 double 

635
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,280
bond into a fatty acid molecule.
We can't do any more than that. 

636
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,600
That's just our evolutionary 
history. 

637
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,640
So we accumulate polyunsaturated
fats. 

638
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,680
So the more seed oils you eat, 
the more they will be in every 

639
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,960
cell of your body, in every 
adipose fat depot in your body, 

640
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,640
in every mitochondrial membrane 
of your body. 

641
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,000
That's just a relationship. 
And that's been shown that 

642
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,560
adipose depot stores of linoleic
acid are directly proportional 

643
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,160
to the amount that we are 
consuming your body stores these

644
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,800
polyunsaturated fats. 
The same is true for omega-3 

645
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,800
fatty acids. 
The literature looks different 

646
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,840
for Omega threes, but if a human
theoretically were to over 

647
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,960
consume Omega threes you would 
have lots of negative side 

648
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,840
effects. 
It's just that we don't cook in 

649
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,200
omega-3's because they have so 
many double bonds they become 

650
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,720
rancid immediately and no one 
they don't taste like it's so 

651
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,080
fishy and like it would be 
horrible. 

652
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,600
You never want to cook in a fish
oil and it would be a horrible 

653
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,320
idea. 
But linoleic acid is the single 

654
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,320
greatest source of 
polyunsaturated fats in the 

655
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,320
human diet and that consumption 
that we have of linoleic acid is

656
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,480
5 to 10 to 20X what it has been 
historically for us as humans. 

657
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,720
I mean you look at hunter 
gatherer tribes and Danish 

658
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:43,760
cultures, 1 1/2 to .5% of their 
calories came from linoleic 

659
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,160
acid. 1 1/2 point 5 they're only
getting linoleic acid in the fat

660
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,400
of the animals they're eating 
and maybe an occasional nut that

661
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,080
they find. 
Like these cultures are not 

662
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,000
pressing corn into oil right? 
It takes 60 plus ears of corn to

663
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,720
make 5 tablespoons of corn oil, 
which is the average consumption

664
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,320
of seed oils for a human. 
So we would never have had 

665
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,360
exposure to this. 
Some diets today in the United 

666
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,000
States or in Western society 
have 20% of our calories from 

667
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,680
linoleic acid. 
So you're thinking .5 to 20%. 

668
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,960
That is a huge, that is a huge 
amplification of linoleic acid 

669
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,320
calories in in the human diet. 
And the problem is that that 

670
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,600
means that the cell membranes of
our facial skin, of our eyes, of

671
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:28,720
our macula, right, of our skin 
on our arms and our neck and our

672
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,480
everywhere in our body is 
enriched with linoleic acid. 

673
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,880
And all of the cells in your 
body are full of this, these fat

674
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,480
cells, the mitochondrial 
membranes. 

675
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,880
And so at every level, there's a
potential problem here. 

676
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,680
I mean, one of the most well 
researched issues here is not 

677
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,800
necessarily about the skin as 
much as it is about the the 

678
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,280
lipoproteins. 
So I don't want to get too 

679
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,240
technical like cholesterol, but 
LDL, low density lipoprotein is 

680
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,800
clearly more likely to oxidize, 
more likely to become damaged 

681
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,120
when the membrane is enriched 
with linoleic acid. 

682
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,840
And how do you enrich LDL with 
linoleic acid? 

683
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,920
You eat more linoleic acid. 
So that's been shown multiple 

684
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,120
times that if you give humans a 
seed oil versus olive oil, the 

685
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,400
LDL is more likely to oxidize. 
And I don't think there would 

686
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:13,320
be. 
I don't think there's many 

687
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,320
cardiologists who would debate 
that LDL that is more likely to 

688
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,400
oxidize is more likely to 
promote atherosclerosis. 

689
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,800
So this is a problem for humans.
And the same thing is kind of 

690
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,600
happening in the skin. 
We know that ultraviolet light 

691
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:29,280
is energetic and the theory, the
hypothesis here is if your skin 

692
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,960
is more susceptible to damage 
from a high energy ultraviolet 

693
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,600
light, is it going to cause more
DNA damage, more damage to the 

694
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,640
skin, more sun aging, more photo
aging in that situation? 

695
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,080
And so it's been shown, you 
know, in these animal studies 

696
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,520
that yes, when you apply it or 
when the animals are fed more 

697
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,240
linoleic acid, they have 
worsening of the effects of, of 

698
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,840
ultraviolet light on their skin.
And nobody's ever done the study

699
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,240
in humans. 
That would be a fascinating 

700
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,840
study. 
But they did do the study where 

701
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,360
they applied linoleic acid 
directly to stratum corneum. 

702
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:04,800
So, yeah, the, the idea here is 
historically, linoleic acid is 

703
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,040
not something that we would have
had this much exposure to. 

704
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,120
We have this evolutionary 
mismatch and we just need to be 

705
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,520
aware of that. 
And the solution is simple. 

706
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,040
Just don't eat the seed oils. 
And if you're eating eggs or if 

707
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,080
you're eating meat, preferably 
that is pastured and not fed 

708
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,400
corn and soy, which can enrich 
linoleic acid in those foods. 

709
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,920
But yeah, there's, there's a 
problem. 

710
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,480
What we eat effects our skin. 
We know this, you know, this is 

711
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:27,960
the, this is what we, this is 
what we do. 

712
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,400
We know that environmental 
inputs affect our skin. 

713
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,640
You know, we see that when we're
around someone that's smoked 

714
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,320
their whole life, their skin 
doesn't look great because 

715
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,800
they've created so much 
oxidative stress. 

716
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,640
And it's kind of a parallel 
mechanism with, with the seed 

717
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,640
oils potentially. 
So there's a really interesting 

718
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,240
study done with like deep 
frying. 

719
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,840
So, you know, I think that 
heating oils is, is going to 

720
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,680
damage the oil no matter what 
oil you have. 

721
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,920
But we know that seed oils are 
much more susceptible to heat 

722
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,560
damage from frying and deep 
frying and boiling than more 

723
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,080
stable oils like tallow. 
And there's actually a study 

724
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,080
that looked at the formation of 
these. 

725
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,920
There's the very technical 
organic chemistry terms alpha 

726
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,000
beta, unsaturated aldehydes, 
like acrylene in these, in these

727
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,840
oils. 
And what's interesting is that 

728
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,960
acrylene is a chemical that's 
also in cigarette smoke. 

729
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,760
So I, I, I, you know, I got, I 
think I got called fearmongering

730
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,880
for this statement, but the 
paper actually says that if you 

731
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,520
look at one large fry serving 
from McDonald's, right? 

732
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,880
So a serving of large French 
fries from McDonald's contains 

733
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,680
the same amount of these alpha 
beta unsaturated aldehydes like 

734
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,680
acrylene as smoking 25 
cigarettes. 

735
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:39,400
That's crazy. 
So. 

736
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,880
There's a parallel here, right? 
These, these breakdown products 

737
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,920
of lipids that are damaging to 
the human body are in parallel 

738
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,320
between something that we all 
associate as clearly harmful and

739
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,080
damaging to a smoking a 
cigarette as eating something 

740
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,680
that we think of as a treat that
we're giving our kids, not you, 

741
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,720
but you know, like, but a lot of
people are giving their 

742
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,960
children. 
Or that I craved growing up, 

743
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,800
that I begged my parents let me 
get French fries, right? 

744
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,720
Something that we celebrate 
within our culture as freedom, 

745
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,080
like French fries cooked in seed
oils. 

746
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:10,719
That's a pretty hard thing to 
defend. 

747
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:15,040
Do you think that sunglasses are
contributing to skin cancer in 

748
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,480
any way? 
It's possible. 

749
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,679
I've never seen research that 
clearly shows it, but the 

750
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,520
mechanism is there. 
And what's interesting here is 

751
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:28,320
that there are pathways between 
the eyes and the skin, and we 

752
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,320
get inputs from our environment 
through our eyes that affect the

753
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,880
way cells of our skin react. 
And so when you wear sunglasses,

754
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,719
theoretically, are you confusing
the skin cells, right? 

755
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,600
Is your body not putting up the 
normal defenses that have 

756
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,800
happened throughout our history 
as humans because your body 

757
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,120
thinks it's night time because 
your eyes are not seeing 

758
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,480
ultraviolet light? 
It's very possible. 

759
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:50,960
I think some research there 
would be fascinating. 

760
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:52,199
There's a lot of difference, 
yeah. 

761
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,560
Yeah, I know a lot of people 
will adamantly deny that, but it

762
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,360
just kind of makes sense 
intrinsically. 

763
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,400
And then anecdotally, I feel 
like I've experienced that, Like

764
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,360
I've been trying to not wear 
sunglasses as much as I used to.

765
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,840
I'm not burning as much. 
I mean, along with ditching seed

766
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,760
oils, right? 
But and I've talked to several 

767
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,640
people who feel the same way. 
So I think there could be 

768
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:11,840
something there there. 
Probably is. 

769
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,760
Have you seen the threads on X? 
And this is just crowdsourcing 

770
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:20,000
information, but if you any time
that I post this survey on X or 

771
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,160
anyone else does, do you notice 
that you burn less or more since

772
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,480
you've cut out seed oils? 
The threads are huge. 

773
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:30,520
Yes, it's hundreds of people 
saying I didn't expect this, but

774
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,280
I've earned way less now that 
I've cut out seed oils. 

775
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,760
What's going on there? 
So look, some to anecdote does 

776
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,920
not a research study make, but 
that's a compelling hypothesis 

777
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,240
here that the human experience 
that has lived of thousands of 

778
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:47,600
people now is I cut out seed 
oils, I burn less. 

779
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,320
What's going on? 
Maybe we should study it. 

780
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,560
How long do you think it takes 
for people to notice that 

781
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,120
difference? 
Because you mentioned the the 

782
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,520
seed oils like the effects of 
those accumulate in the organs 

783
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,920
in the skin. 
How long does it take to reverse

784
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:02,080
that once someone stops eating 
seed oils? 

785
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,960
So this is interesting. 
There's a couple of 

786
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,240
pharmacokinetic studies we don't
really know, right? 

787
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,320
The one study that's often cited
says that it takes 2 plus years 

788
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,520
the turnover all the some 
membranes and. 

789
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:14,480
Fat. 
That's kind of discouraging. 

790
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,400
Yeah, yeah. 
But I've seen other studies in 

791
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,280
monkeys and humans suggesting 
that you can accelerate that. 

792
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,040
So there's a study in monkeys 
where they looked at fatty acid 

793
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,120
composition, so the composition 
of the fatty acids in the fat 

794
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,800
depot and they gave the monkeys 
a low fat diet and it happened 

795
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,080
much more quickly, right. 
So it it makes sense that if 

796
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:42,200
you, if you don't give humans 
fat, that the body has to make 

797
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,280
it's own fat. 
We do de Novo lipogenesis. 

798
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,080
You can take carbohydrates and 
turn it into fat, but again, we 

799
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,000
only make saturated fat and then
we can desaturate it into mono 

800
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,040
unsaturated fat. 
So is it possible? 

801
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,160
This has never been studied in 
humans, but is it possible that 

802
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,520
we could? 
And this again, this is just 

803
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,200
theory. 
I think low fat diets come with 

804
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,160
risks and benefits and some 
people if they do too low fat 

805
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,560
will definitely negatively 
affect their hormones. 

806
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,560
But is it possible that there 
are strategies that we could use

807
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,000
to decrease the time that it 
takes to recycle the cell 

808
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,400
membranes or your fat depot by 
restricting fat or restricting 

809
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,440
linoleic acid in the human diet?
That's I think that's likely. 

810
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,280
Like for a period of time 
potentially. 

811
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:19,960
Yeah, Yeah. 
So I think that the idea here is

812
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,520
here's the theory. 
What if maybe you don't have to 

813
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,440
eat low fat, you cut down your 
fat in general a little bit, but

814
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,520
what if you ate low linoleic 
acid, right? 

815
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,280
Because no one, I haven't really
heard many people talking about 

816
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,720
the absolute amount of linoleic 
acid in your diet. 

817
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:38,680
So it goes to reason that if you
eat less linoleic acid, your 

818
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,400
cells are going to turn over and
your linoleic acid sores will go

819
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,880
down more quickly. 
So that would mean not only 

820
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,000
avoiding seed oils then, but 
also maybe cutting out like nuts

821
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,120
seeds for a period of time, like
really restricting the linoleic.

822
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,000
Potentially, yeah. 
Yeah. 

823
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,600
So this is the thing about olive
oil, right? 

824
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,640
And avocado, those are 15 to 25%
linoleic acid. 

825
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,880
So like, maybe you would just 
want to use butter or tallow 

826
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,360
instead of olive oil, right? 
You only use animal fats. 

827
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,040
You don't use any plant fats for
some amount of time and you make

828
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,800
sure that your eggs are pasture 
raised soy and corn free because

829
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,800
we know that what a chicken eats
affects the fatty acid 

830
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,000
composition of the egg yolk, 
right? 

831
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,200
It gets to be a little more 
granular and it gets to be a 

832
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,280
little more heavy in terms of 
the the interventions. 

833
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,520
But thinking about the total 
linoleic acid load that a human 

834
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,600
is eating, the biggest mover by 
far is seed oils. 

835
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,520
But beyond that, even going to, 
you know, not eating avocado and

836
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,000
olive for some amount of time 
may help it recycle more 

837
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,680
quickly. 
And then there are definitely 

838
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,120
ways to check it. 
You can check linoleic acid 

839
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,400
levels in your red blood cells. 
You can check linoleic acid 

840
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,320
levels in the blood. 
You can check it in your fat. 

841
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:41,800
The fat's going to require a 
biopsy. 

842
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,000
But the other tests are pretty 
easy. 

843
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,840
And so I mean, it's, you know, 
this gets into the idea of 

844
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,120
reference ranges and what's the 
normal reference range? 

845
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:53,320
But when I do tests in my fatty 
acid composition, my linoleic 

846
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,960
acid comes back low because I'm 
now probably more than two 

847
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,120
standard deviations below the 
average American. 

848
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:01,440
Yeah. 
So that's how they set the 

849
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,400
reference range, right? 
They're going to take the mean 

850
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,160
or the median, and then they're 
going to go 2 standard 

851
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,080
deviations below and above. 
And so now I'm like, OK, that's 

852
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,520
great. 
I want to be low because I want 

853
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:11,560
to. 
Be it's not even based on what's

854
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,680
optimal, it's based on what's 
the most average. 

855
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,920
Well, nobody, yeah, nobody knows
what's optimal anymore. 

856
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,680
OK, right. 
Like the testosterone levels are

857
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,120
going down. 
Like the the reference range for

858
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,080
testosterone on labs is going 
down because the average. 

859
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,120
Is everyone's testosterone? 
Everyone is testosterone is 

860
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:27,680
going down. 
So now the reference range with 

861
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,320
two standard deviations from the
mean is, you know it's following

862
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:32,880
the population. 
We should just keep it what it 

863
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,080
was at like 100 years ago. 
Our grandfathers had more 

864
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,680
testosterone than we, you know, 
like as men, you know, we think 

865
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,160
about it. 
And similarly, women's hormones 

866
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,000
are being negatively affected by
the environment as well. 

867
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,240
Well, let's transition to the 
topic of weight loss because 

868
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,840
this is a big thing and a lot of
people are turning to drugs like

869
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,080
Ozempic now to lose weight. 
What is your take on Ozempic? 

870
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:58,200
So GLP one is one of these 
satiety hormones, right? 

871
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,680
Satiety hormones like leptin, 
like cholecystokinin. 

872
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,160
It's how humans decide if we're 
hungry or not. 

873
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,760
And hunger is a very powerful 
cue for us. 

874
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,240
It's one of the most powerful 
cues. 

875
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,480
And so it's very hard for humans
to ignore a hunger cue. 

876
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,240
So Ozempic and other, these GLP 
one analogs, they're, they're 

877
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:25,760
very effective at giving us 
hunger cues that we don't 

878
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,720
otherwise have. 
And I think that in some 

879
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:32,480
individuals you can make an 
argument that there's a use case

880
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,040
for them. 
Like extremely obese. 

881
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,640
Extremely obese? 
Unwilling to change your diet? 

882
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,920
OK, the better part of valor is 
probably to give you Ozempic 

883
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,800
like you're not willing to 
change how you shop. 

884
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,400
You are probably going to get 
like more benefit than you are 

885
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,960
risk. 
But all these interventions 

886
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,560
carry risk. 
There are side effects from 

887
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,280
Ozempic. 
It's not a panacea. 

888
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,280
It's again, it's not you're not 
obese because you have an 

889
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,880
Ozempic deficiency, right? 
And you are not having excess 

890
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,400
hunger because you were 
genetically born with an Ozempic

891
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,960
deficiency. 
It's not a vitamin, right? 

892
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,840
You are, I would argue you are 
excessively hungry because your 

893
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:16,120
satiety cues in your brain and 
your stomach and your pancreas 

894
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,160
and your intestines are messed 
up because of the quality of the

895
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,040
foods you eat, because it's low 
quality food. 

896
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,760
So I've been thinking a lot 
about this recently with have 

897
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,440
you seen this David Bar? 
No. 

898
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,800
It's it's, it's one of these new
protein. 

899
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,440
Bars I've yes I have seen it. 
Right. 

900
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,440
It's in a gold package and 
there's an ingredient in there 

901
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,320
and the ingredient is EPG. 
So it's a it's one of these 

902
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,200
technical names. 
It's a sterified propoxalated 

903
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,720
glycerol. 
OK, so they've made a fake fat. 

904
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:47,800
Do you remember Olestra? 
Yes, remember anal spotting and 

905
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:48,920
anal anal leakage. 
Kind. 

906
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,800
Of yes, like maybe you never I I
never had it it. 

907
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:52,880
Rings a bell, so yeah. 
Yeah. 

908
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,200
Well this is Olestra was the 
first incarnation of these fake 

909
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:01,080
fats that were very low calorie.
Technically speaking, fat is 9 

910
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,320
calories per gram, but Olestra 
probably had half a calorie per 

911
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,840
gram or something. 
And they don't get digested 

912
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:08,960
right? 
So they give consumers the mouth

913
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,480
feel of fat, which imagine that 
we like because historically fat

914
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,200
was valuable for us as humans, 
but they don't have calories. 

915
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,760
So EPG esterified propoxalated 
glycerol is the newest 

916
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,800
incarnation of these fake fats. 
And just like the old fake fats,

917
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,600
it also decreases our absorption
of fat soluble vitamins like 

918
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,840
vitamin K K1, the study, but 
almost certainly K2 and beta 

919
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,680
carotene. 
And it causes GI side effects 

920
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,280
with like very colorful names 
like gas with discharge and anal

921
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,240
spotting. 
So like, you don't want these 

922
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:40,760
things, right? 
Like This is why are we eating? 

923
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,000
Why are why are we eating fake 
fats, right? 

924
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:48,120
Yeah, why do they use it? 
They use it to confuse consumers

925
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,520
and convince us that this 
protein bar has 28 grams of 

926
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,280
protein but low calories. 
And so this is the direction 

927
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,360
that you should go. 
They're they're using it to give

928
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,920
it the bar a mouthfeel of fat 
without actually having the 

929
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:02,640
calories of fat. 
So, so much of the weight loss 

930
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,560
conversation, I think is 
misguided. 

931
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,480
It's all around this calories, 
calories, calories restriction 

932
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,200
idea, this idea that calories in
equals calories out. 

933
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,040
If you restrict your calories, 
you'll lose weight. 

934
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,840
It's as simple as that. 
Why don't you understand this, 

935
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,440
you troglodytes? 
Right. 

936
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:17,800
So this is the sort of 
criticism. 

937
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,640
And I think it's much more 
complicated than that. 

938
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,680
And what we know very clearly 
now is that the quality of the 

939
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:27,440
food you eat, the quality big 
capital Q of the food that you 

940
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,160
put in the calories in 
determines the calories out. 

941
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,160
It determines how well your 
metabolism works, how good your 

942
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,720
basal metabolism is, and it 
determines how many calories you

943
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:39,120
will take in because your 
satiety is affected by the 

944
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,960
quality of the calories you put 
in. 

945
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,920
Why don't people like nuance? 
They just want it to be. 

946
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,720
It's like the sun conversation. 
It's black and white. 

947
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:49,640
It's like, no, there's so much 
more to it than just calories 

948
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,760
in, calories out. 
Or avoid the sun versus bake in 

949
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:53,960
the sun all day every. 
Day, right? 

950
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,080
Right. 
So I think that the calories 

951
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,600
conversation is actually kind of
an interesting story. 

952
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,560
So the calorie, calorie is a 
measure of heat. 

953
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:08,440
It was originally created by 
this guy named Wilbur Atwater in

954
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,360
like the 1890s. 
And he took foods and he put 

955
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,880
them in a bomb calorimeter and 
he burned them up and he looked 

956
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,320
to see how much, how much heat a
food produces. 

957
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,760
Well, that's not how humans 
work, right? 

958
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,040
When you eat a food, you're not 
like a train engine that someone

959
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,760
is shoveling coal into, and it's
a fire that like turns a 

960
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,680
propeller or a turbine. 
You are a complex series of 

961
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,920
electron movements, right? 
When you eat a food, you are 

962
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,520
getting energy from the 
electrons, the potential energy 

963
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,960
of electrons in that food, 
whether it's glucose or fatty 

964
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,520
acids. 
Your body is this elegant system

965
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,600
of extracting the potential 
energy of electrons from glucose

966
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,680
or fatty acids into these 
intermediate molecules NAD and 

967
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,560
FADH 2 that then move the 
electrons into the electron 

968
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,840
transport chain that then move 
protons across a concentration 

969
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,360
gradient to fuel a nano motor 
that makes ATP. 

970
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:59,360
That's how you make energy, 
right? 

971
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,080
It sounds a lot more complex. 
Than it's not just burning. 

972
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,200
It's not burning up a bagel in a
calorimeter, right? 

973
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,520
Like that's not how you do it. 
Yeah. 

974
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,920
And so. 
But that has become the gold 

975
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,080
standard. 
The gold standard and so Wilbur 

976
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,040
Atwater 1890s creates this idea 
of calories in World War One and

977
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,200
World War 2, because we were 
rationing and we had to find 

978
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,920
some way to feed soldiers, how 
many calories are we giving 

979
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,200
them? 
The idea gets adopted 1950s and 

980
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,600
1960s. 
There were a few diet books that

981
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,000
started to recommend this idea. 
Cut calories. 

982
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,720
And you may not remember this, I
don't, but I was alive at this 

983
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:31,880
time. 
The idea of a calorie label has 

984
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,280
apparently only been on food 
since 1990. 

985
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,440
Wow. 
So when our parents were growing

986
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:41,000
up, even in the 80s when I was a
young boy, apparently I don't 

987
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,360
remember this. 
Like you would buy a food and it

988
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,680
didn't have a calorie label on 
it. 

989
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,280
That's that's very recent. 
Very recent. 

990
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,480
That's why we think about things
as calories. 

991
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,840
If I showed someone a chicken 
breast, they're going to think 

992
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:57,600
that chicken breast is 25 grams 
of protein and 100 calories. 

993
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:58,920
That's essentially how they're 
going to see it. 

994
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,120
We think about things in terms 
of calories and macro nutrients,

995
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:07,600
protein, fat, carbohydrates. 
But a chicken breast is 37,000 

996
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,360
different compounds. 
There's a, there's a database in

997
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,920
Canada, it's called food b.ca. 
And you could put in like rib 

998
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:19,760
eye steak, 42,000 components in 
a rib eye steak, an apple 4000, 

999
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,240
garlic 4500, right? 
So the complexity of our foods 

1000
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,880
is so much deeper than just 
protein, fat, carbohydrates, 

1001
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,440
calories. 
But we've been sort of sold and 

1002
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,200
I think this is where the story 
gets interesting and it's kind 

1003
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,600
of sinister. 
We've been sold this calorie 

1004
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,120
forward model and I think we've 
been sold this calorie Ford 

1005
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,400
model potentially by industry 
interests that are trying to get

1006
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,200
us to think about food as 
calories and not as quality. 

1007
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,280
There's something called this is
where it really kind of makes me

1008
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:48,920
mad. 
I'm going to stop my do it, bang

1009
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,320
my fist. 
In 2015, the New York Times ran 

1010
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,680
an expose on something called 
the Global Energy Balance 

1011
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,920
Network funded by Coca-Cola 
secretly. 

1012
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,320
And what this group does was 
basically tell us it's OK to eat

1013
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,720
junk food, just don't eat too 
much of it. 

1014
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,120
Be an energy balance. 
It's a calorie forward model. 

1015
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,240
It's promoting calories in, 
calories out. 

1016
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,200
You can drink a Coca-Cola. 
Just make sure you go walk 

1017
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,480
tonight and burn those calories.
You can eat 100 calories of 

1018
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,400
Oreos in a snack pack. 
Just make sure you eat less 

1019
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,760
calories at dinner. 
So this calories in, calories 

1020
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,360
out. 
I really think that there's, and

1021
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,680
I'm sort of saying this half 
jokingly, but maybe not like 

1022
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,760
it's kind of a psyop and it's 
like a psyop aimed at convincing

1023
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,200
people to eat the lowest quality
food. 

1024
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,120
Because how else do you make 
this argument? 

1025
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,840
Why would a human, other than 
the fact that they're massively 

1026
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,640
addictive and they've been 
engineered to be addictive and 

1027
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,200
they absolutely hijack the tide 
in our brain. 

1028
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,360
How do you convince a human that
it's OK to eat a garbage 

1029
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,240
processed Oreo instead of a 
carrot? 

1030
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,200
Right. 
And obviously those have 

1031
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,240
massively different flavor 
profiles and reward profiles in 

1032
00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:55,600
the brain. 
But I think humans know 

1033
00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:00,000
intuitively that a carrot or an 
apple or a steak or a piece of 

1034
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,240
fish is a different absolutely 
human experience. 

1035
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,120
Micronutrients. 
Human health is completely 

1036
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,920
different when you eat a whole 
food a single versus at Oreo. 

1037
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,280
Yeah, as you're describing this,
I'm thinking like, was this 

1038
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,040
around the time when all of the 
food or all of the scientists 

1039
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,800
from the cigarette industry kind
of transitioned into the food 

1040
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,320
and food industry to make those 
foods more palatable and 

1041
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,760
addictive? 
I mean, it just feels like a lot

1042
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,520
of marketing. 
Same time frame. 

1043
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:31,240
So RJ Reynolds and Philip Morris
in the 80s bought a number of 

1044
00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:32,600
these ultra processed food 
companies. 

1045
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,000
And as you're saying, this is 
this is human history, right? 

1046
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,760
This is not conjecture. 
This is not conspiracy theory. 

1047
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,120
They use the cigarette playbook 
to engineer many of these foods 

1048
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:44,480
to be more addictive and more 
palatable. 

1049
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:46,400
And then they left in the early 
2000s. 

1050
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,240
And all the other processed food
companies followed suit. 

1051
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,960
So they left this indelible mark
on the processed food industry. 

1052
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,600
So yeah, it was all happening 
80s and 90s. 

1053
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,040
So in that 20 year span, our 
food changed forever. 

1054
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,280
I mean, our food being our 
processed food. 

1055
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,640
But you know what? 
Kids eat 70 to 80% of their 

1056
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,920
foods that processed foods. 
Most humans upwards of 60 plus 

1057
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,120
percent of their food is 
processed food. 

1058
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:13,480
So the majority of our food 
changed, you know, 30 to 40 

1059
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,600
years ago, underneath our noses,
right? 

1060
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,080
It's so tragic then, because a 
lot of people they, they want to

1061
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,360
be healthy, they want to lose 
weight, but they've listened to 

1062
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,760
what they've been told and 
they're kind of stuck within 

1063
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,520
this system of, you know, 
they're eating these foods, 

1064
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,400
They're they're not getting full
from them. 

1065
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,560
They're just leaves them wanting
more. 

1066
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,840
So what would you tell people 
who are kind of feeling 

1067
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,840
discouraged? 
Like what is the best way to 

1068
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,480
maintain a healthy weight long 
term? 

1069
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,920
I'd say it's simple, but it's 
not easy, right? 

1070
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:48,520
So it's simple single ingredient
foods and foods that your great 

1071
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,200
grandmother would recognize if 
they have a label. 

1072
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,200
So single ingredient foods, you 
walk in the grocery store, it's 

1073
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,600
basically the outside of the 
grocery store. 

1074
00:49:55,240 --> 00:50:00,800
Eggs, milk, cheese, meat, 
chicken, fish, red meat, right? 

1075
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,200
Cabbage, Apple, Cucumber. 
Cabbage. 

1076
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:06,360
I'm surprised. 
Well, I'm trying to be 

1077
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,840
inclusive, right? 
If you want to eat, if you want 

1078
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,040
to eat salads, be my guest. 
But you know, apple, orange, you

1079
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,040
know, pineapple singling, 
reading of foods, you get the 

1080
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,920
idea. 
If you're seeing a label, would 

1081
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,440
my great grandmother recognize 
the ingredients, right? 

1082
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,960
So most processed foods, my 
great grandmother wouldn't 

1083
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,160
recognize the ingredients, 
right? 

1084
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,720
Like, so my great grandmother is
reading the ingredients of a 

1085
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:32,320
David bar EPG. 
What is EPG, you know, and then 

1086
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,440
the ingredients become 
artificial and natural flavors. 

1087
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,320
I have no idea what that is. 
No one does. 

1088
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:37,720
Now I'm channeling my great 
grandmother now. 

1089
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,800
And then you have, you know, 
sucralose, aspartame, Ace K like

1090
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,320
no one knows these ingredients 
and they're problematic for 

1091
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,240
humans. 
So that's the simple rule. 

1092
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:49,120
Like if you look at, for 
instance, a package, and I think

1093
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,760
the problem here and the reason 
I say it's simple but not easy 

1094
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,120
is the convenience piece, right?
So I can say you eat single 

1095
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:58,520
ingredient foods, it's easy 
guys. 

1096
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,480
And I know that your audience is
going to say, OK, I work, I have

1097
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,200
children, it's hard, it's it's 
time. 

1098
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,720
So this is where the process 
manufacturers get us. 

1099
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,520
It's convenience. 
And this is what worries me 

1100
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,200
about things like this David Bar
or these protein forward Pop 

1101
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,600
Tarts or cereals, is that I 
think processed food 

1102
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,000
manufacturers are smart and 
they've seen the writing on 

1103
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,600
their wall and they realize, 
hey, we're getting called out 

1104
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,040
for Doritos and Coca-Cola. 
Let's make something that is 1° 

1105
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,640
better. 
Wait, is that really a thing? 

1106
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:29,160
Pop tarts with protein? 
Oh yeah, I haven't seen that one

1107
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:30,360
yet. 
Oh yeah, protein pop tarts. 

1108
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:31,840
Yeah, absolutely. 
Oh my gosh. 

1109
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,600
Protein brownies, protein 
cookies. 

1110
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,360
Oh yeah. 
It's just like, let's make 

1111
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,560
something 1° better. 
Like this is the new iteration. 

1112
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,720
And you see this with, look, OK,
anything is a step in the right 

1113
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:45,200
direction, but it's like, I 
think that they're trying to 

1114
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:46,720
fool us in some ways. 
And they're saying, let's make 

1115
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:49,080
things 1° better, one iteration 
better. 

1116
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:54,400
And instead of having a Snickers
bar, you have a bar with whey 

1117
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,560
protein and collagen, but it 
also has EPG. 

1118
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,320
You know this fake fat that's 
going to cause loss of fat 

1119
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,280
soluble vitamins and it has 
artificial flavor. 

1120
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,160
Yeah, it's like the it's these 
labeling games. 

1121
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,040
I mean, the same thing happens 
in the skin Care World. 

1122
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,560
Like consumers know what to put 
on the label to make people feel

1123
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,240
just a little bit better about 
what they're using on their 

1124
00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:12,600
skin. 
And the same thing happens in 

1125
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,160
food. 
Just a little bit better, right?

1126
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,000
And so at this rate, we're never
going to get back to good food, 

1127
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,240
right? 
So you have to take a quantum 

1128
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:20,960
leap and say, OK, I'm going to 
just start eating good food like

1129
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:22,880
this. 
The number of steps between 

1130
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,960
like, OK, you have Snickers bar,
maybe the next step is a David 

1131
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,160
bar, but it's like 25 steps to 
get back to a freaking chicken 

1132
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,040
breast, right? 
Whereas you could get the same 

1133
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,520
amount of protein in a David bar
with the same amount of calories

1134
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:34,840
in a chicken breast and way 
more. 

1135
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,360
But like you have a, it's the 
Grand Canyon divide there. 

1136
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,000
We're just, we're never going to
get there at this rate. 

1137
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,880
So but people get confused and, 
and they leverage convenience. 

1138
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,880
So they make something that's 1°
better and convenient. 

1139
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,440
And so that's why, I mean, 
that's the whole reason I built 

1140
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:49,480
lineage. 
You know, we built lineage. 

1141
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,120
It's like, like I wanted to try 
as best I could in my little 

1142
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,120
small corner of the world to 
make something that's convenient

1143
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,800
but high quality because like 
you have to fight back somehow. 

1144
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,280
And look, I would much rather 
that someone just make a rib eye

1145
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,480
steak. 
But if you're running around 

1146
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,840
like when I looked at the market
like jerkies and meat sticks, 

1147
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,120
there's nothing that I really 
liked. 

1148
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:08,760
And so like, let me just make 
that for people. 

1149
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:10,880
And that that's sort of my 
answer. 

1150
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,560
It's like, let me create this 
for you because I'm in this 

1151
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,320
unique situation that I never 
thought I'd be in. 

1152
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,240
And I want to help you with the 
convenience piece. 

1153
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:19,280
But the fact of the matter is 
that if we let convenience 

1154
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,880
dictate too many of our 
decisions, it's just so hard to 

1155
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,560
make good decisions. 
I flew here yesterday from 

1156
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,360
Florida, and you look in the 
airport and I do this now. 

1157
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,240
It's like my thing. 
I just look at all the foods 

1158
00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:31,120
that you can get. 
I'm thinking like, what is even 

1159
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:31,600
here? 
Yeah. 

1160
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,320
What is the help if we let 
convenience be the arbiter of 

1161
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,800
the choices we make with food? 
It's very hard. 

1162
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,400
The convenience is killing us 
essentially. 

1163
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,520
I know that you mentioned like 
it's simple, but it's not easy 

1164
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,200
and I think that with some 
intentionality it does become 

1165
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,200
easy and second nature. 
Once you create the patterns. 

1166
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,640
Yeah, once you're there and 
you've done a great job with 

1167
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,400
lineage like of providing these 
on the go snacks and the air 

1168
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,480
dried steak is insane. 
It's good, so good. 

1169
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,840
And you know, having that versus
like, I don't know, a protein 

1170
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,680
bar or candy bar, like you 
actually feel satiated a. 

1171
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,040
Protein Pop tart, Yeah. 
Protein pop tart like there are 

1172
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,800
ways I mean and I think 
something that is helpful for me

1173
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:16,800
because I have a lot going on a 
full life 3 kids business like a

1174
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,440
lot going on and I've just we 
become OK with eating really 

1175
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:24,120
like simple meals like this 
morning I had ground beef and 

1176
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,400
coffee with raw milk and like 
felt safe shade was nothing 

1177
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,440
fancy very easy to make I mean 
we do pot roast a lot like throw

1178
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:36,280
carrots and steak and you know 
some water and salt into the 

1179
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,080
crock pot and it takes 5 minutes
and you have a meal for the 

1180
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:40,280
whole family at the end of the 
day. 

1181
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,080
So like once you kind of get in 
these rhythms and habits, it 

1182
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,600
does become pretty easy and you 
feel better, you have more 

1183
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,360
energy, which you know, is it? 
It's a convenience to feel 

1184
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:52,600
better. 
Hormonal balance? 

1185
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:53,520
Yeah. 
Libido. 

1186
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:54,800
I. 
Mean and it makes everything in 

1187
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,920
life easier once you feel good 
versus like short term, yes, a 

1188
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,560
little bit more work, but long 
term you're really getting so 

1189
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,400
much convenience back into your 
life by making these intentional

1190
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:06,680
choices. 
It's a total, It's just a 

1191
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,960
mindset shift. 
Yeah, but that's a hard thing 

1192
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:09,520
for people. 
It is. 

1193
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,480
It's meaningful and it's 
lasting, but it's challenging. 

1194
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,640
And I love that you brought the 
satiety piece because I want to 

1195
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,200
just mention this for a minute 
because I think this is 

1196
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,160
sinister. 
There's a study that just came 

1197
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,280
out a few months ago. 
So we talked about EPG, you 

1198
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:25,360
know, horrible artificial 
flavors, natural flavors, not 

1199
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,200
great for humans, but these 
artificial sweeteners I think 

1200
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,920
are sinister. 
And I've talked about these for 

1201
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,080
years now and. 
What are some examples of? 

1202
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:37,080
Are Supralose, Ace K and 
aspartame are the big ones, and 

1203
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,720
Ace K is sometimes as a sulfame 
K on the label. 

1204
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,400
Sucralose is sometimes a Splenda
is the brand name. 

1205
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,640
So those are the three big ones.
And I've been talking about 

1206
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,440
these for years. 
And whenever I would talk about 

1207
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,320
it, people in the health space 
would say, look, Paul, here's a 

1208
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,800
huge meta analysis that shows 
drinking diet soda is weight 

1209
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,640
neutral compared to drinking or 
even better than drinking Chotto

1210
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,200
with sugar, right? 
So you're so there's nothing to 

1211
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:01,560
worry about these artificial 
sweeteners. 

1212
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,320
And I think like, yeah, you're 
missing the forest for the 

1213
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,920
trees. 
Like they definitely affect the 

1214
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,120
way the microbiome is 
communicating. 

1215
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:13,000
So there's quorum sensing. 
Quorum sensing is a word that we

1216
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,800
used to talk about how bacteria 
and viruses and fungi in our 

1217
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:16,760
guts communicate with each 
other. 

1218
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,200
The artificial sweeteners 
definitely change that, 

1219
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,040
potentially in a negative way. 
And a recent study came out with

1220
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,480
sucralose showing that it 
increases blood flow to the 

1221
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,160
hypothalamus. 
So it's it's changing the way 

1222
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,960
your brain reacts to food in a 
way that it's probably making 

1223
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,320
you hungrier. 
So here is at least the 

1224
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,120
mechanistic evidence to say this
is not benign. 

1225
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:41,760
Like, you can show me this meta 
analysis, but I don't buy it. 

1226
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,200
I just don't buy it. 
And I just don't think that any 

1227
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:48,520
human that has intuition is 
going to look at a protein bar 

1228
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,280
or a protein pop tart because 
all these protein pop Tarts and 

1229
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:55,160
protein cookies have these 
artificial sweeteners because 

1230
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,600
they're marketed as 0 sugar, 
which is great because processed

1231
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:02,200
sugar is not good for humans. 
But humans still want it to 

1232
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,000
taste sweet because we have this
evolutionary desire for 

1233
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,080
carbohydrates from our history 
with sweet fruit, which is a 

1234
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,520
great thing. 
And so you put these artificial 

1235
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,760
sweeteners in, look guys, it's 
fine, it's safe, no problem. 

1236
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:15,960
But then you see studies like 
this and it's like, wait, it's 

1237
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,760
actually probably sabotaging 
your society. 

1238
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,440
So the amount of satiety, if 
there were an objective way to 

1239
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:25,800
measure satiety, which is lack 
of hunger from 150 calories of 

1240
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,560
ground beef versus 150 calories 
of a fake protein bar with 

1241
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,880
sucralose. 
I my money, all of my money is 

1242
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,720
going on on, on this on the, the
ground beef, you know, like the 

1243
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,720
ground beef horse here. 100 
percent, 100%. 

1244
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,640
And I think the first step is 
like, we have to admit and 

1245
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,600
acknowledge and come to terms 
with the fact that our brains 

1246
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,840
have been hijacked. 
And there's no shame in that. 

1247
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,760
Like, I think that all of us, 
most of us probably have, have 

1248
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,720
been in a phase of life where 
we've eaten a lot of processed 

1249
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,360
foods or we've grown up eating a
lot of processed foods. 

1250
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:59,200
I know I did. 
And so it's like there's no, you

1251
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,000
know, we were told this like 
it's not anyone's, it's not our 

1252
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,560
fault, you know it. 
I do think it is their fault, 

1253
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,600
but like there's no shame, just 
acknowledging that. 

1254
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,800
And then like starting that 
journey and making different 

1255
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,400
choices. 
And I think it takes a long time

1256
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,360
to for your body to kind of stop
craving that stuff. 

1257
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,960
I mean, I've been on this 
journey for like 10 plus years 

1258
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:25,080
now and I'm still blown away by 
like even now from six months 

1259
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,080
ago, I'm like, wow, like 
chocolate was always my thing, 

1260
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,240
like dark chocolate, I would 
crave it and I'm like, I don't, 

1261
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,280
I, I don't really crave it as 
much anymore. 

1262
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:37,120
So it's like it can be a quick 
shift, but it also can be kind 

1263
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,600
of like a slow journey with a 
lot of ups and downs. 

1264
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:44,800
But it does, it does get better 
over time and it's amazing like 

1265
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,520
how much more full you are when 
you are prioritizing animal 

1266
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,480
based protein and how much 
easier it is to maintain a 

1267
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,080
healthy weight once your body 
gets used to that and kind of 

1268
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,760
craves that for energy versus 
junk food for energy. 

1269
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,760
Yeah, yeah. 
And I think that's an important 

1270
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,920
point to bring up for people 
that there will be withdrawal, 

1271
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,800
you know. 
I mean, you know, during my 

1272
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,000
residency after medical school, 
I would sometimes do rotations 

1273
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,120
in like detox clinics and stuff 
and we would see people who come

1274
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,320
into the ER with benzodiazepine 
withdrawal or alcohol 

1275
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:15,960
withdrawal. 
People can die from like alcohol

1276
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,920
withdrawal. 
And I'm not trying to make light

1277
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,520
of this or minimize that, but I 
think that it like we all and 

1278
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,360
there are detox Centers for 
alcohol, right? 

1279
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:27,440
I almost feel like there is an 
unmet need for like we have 

1280
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,440
processed food detox. 
Like what is a human to do? 

1281
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,920
And I'm saying this tongue in 
cheek, but kind of seriously, 

1282
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,960
like I think that it would serve
a valuable purpose for humans if

1283
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,640
there were a place where humans 
could go to detox from processed

1284
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,360
food. 
Because most of us have had this

1285
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,520
subjective experience where you 
stop eating this processed food 

1286
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:50,960
and you just crave it. 
And unless you have incredible 

1287
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,120
willpower, a family to support 
you, a community to support you,

1288
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:58,160
because we do what people around
us do, it's very easy to fall 

1289
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,120
and it's very easy for the 
convenience to take us down 

1290
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,640
because you're travelling, 
whatever you're travelling to 

1291
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,560
see your family in Atlanta or 
Florida or wherever. 

1292
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,760
I'm, I don't have food. 
My plans got changed and now I'm

1293
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,800
in the airport and the only 
thing here is combos, which I 

1294
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,760
used to love as a kid. 
You know, there's like cheese or

1295
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,880
protein, like the peanut butter 
filled pretzels or, you know, 

1296
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:20,360
or, you know, here's a, I'm just
going to have one, you know, one

1297
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,880
like 1 sandwich or, you know, 
one thing with like this deep 

1298
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,560
fried thing or this bread or, 
and then it can sometimes for 

1299
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,400
some people just 'cause this 
return to this, this pattern, 

1300
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,440
which is hard for us. 
You are notoriously not a huge 

1301
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,080
fan of vegetables. 
Most of us have been told our 

1302
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,040
entire lives to eat our veggies 
and prioritize veggies. 

1303
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,680
What is your take on vegetables 
and why may they not be as 

1304
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,240
healthy as everyone thinks they 
are? 

1305
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:47,320
So the way that I frame this 
now, and this is an evolution 

1306
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,200
and sort of the way that I've 
talked about this is like, look,

1307
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,520
if you're thriving, don't change
anything. 

1308
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:55,920
You know, if you're not 
thriving, if you have autoimmune

1309
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,640
disease or insomnia or 
depression or any whatever 

1310
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:02,200
condition human might suffer 
from, maybe think about your 

1311
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,840
assumptions about nutrition. 
In my own life and the work that

1312
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,800
I've done unexpectedly, I've 
probably encountered hundreds if

1313
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,920
not thousands of people now that
in real life and in emails and 

1314
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:17,200
comments and stuff who who say 
to me like, you know, when I cut

1315
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,400
XYZ vegetable out, my elbow pain
got better or my eczema got 

1316
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,600
better. 
So I don't think everyone needs 

1317
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,720
to be cutting vegetables out of 
their life, but I think for some

1318
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,040
people who are uniquely 
sensitive from an autoimmune 

1319
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,960
perspective, the removal of 
vegetables is pretty incredible.

1320
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,680
And when you think about it. 
So let's just take a step back. 

1321
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,840
What is a vegetable? 
A vegetable is the non fruit 

1322
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,400
part of a plant. 
What is a fruit? 

1323
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,880
Well, a fruit is the thing that 
gets sweet or colorful or has 

1324
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,720
seeds in it. 
So a lot of people don't know 

1325
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,680
that avocado, squash and 
cucumbers are all fruit, right? 

1326
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,960
So what is a vegetable? 
Vegetables are leaves, spinach, 

1327
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:56,360
kale, cabbage stems, things like
asparagus or rhubarb, and then 

1328
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:57,720
the roots and the seeds of 
plants. 

1329
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:59,720
I mean, people don't really 
think about beans and grains as 

1330
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:01,360
vegetables. 
Technically they probably are, 

1331
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,960
or the roots of plants like 
sweet potatoes or white 

1332
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:05,680
potatoes. 
And so those are the non 

1333
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,600
fruiting parts of plants. 
And if you look at human history

1334
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,320
and you look at indigenous 
cultures, they sometimes eat 

1335
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,520
roots. 
When I went to visit the Hada in

1336
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,800
Tanzania, they will eat roots 
sometimes, but they generally 

1337
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:17,000
that's like their least favorite
thing. 

1338
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,240
Yeah, there's a researcher named
Frank Marlowe who studied the 

1339
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:20,840
Hada, and he actually published 
a paper. 

1340
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,640
The title of the paper is Tubers
as a fall back food for the 

1341
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:24,960
Hada. 
So he gave him a survey and he 

1342
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:25,880
said, what are your favorite 
foods? 

1343
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:32,520
Invariably men and women. 
Honey #1 honey is #1 #2 for men 

1344
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,800
is meat and number 2-3. 
And four, Thai for women is 

1345
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,080
meat, berries and baobab. 
Baobab is like this kind of dry 

1346
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,680
citrusy fruit that they get. 
It's the tree of life. 

1347
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,560
It's this really beautiful tree 
in Tanzania and probably other 

1348
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:49,040
parts of Africa. 
But so men, it's like meat and 

1349
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:50,640
honey. 
For women, it's honey and like 

1350
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,680
berries. 
And but for both of them, the 

1351
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:56,160
last one is tubers, right? 
So yes, when you think about it,

1352
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,560
historically, tubers are 
probably the least harmful or 

1353
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,120
the least problematic for 
people, though some people are 

1354
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,000
quite sensitive to the 
nightshades and white potatoes. 

1355
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,600
But the the stems and the 
leaves, Mahadza never touched 

1356
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:09,080
them. 
This is just not part of their 

1357
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,880
culture. 
They use the the roots of a lot 

1358
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:13,760
of plants as poison for their 
arrows. 

1359
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,840
They'll use leaves of plants as 
medicine if they have a stomach 

1360
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:19,640
ache, potentially parasitic or 
other things. 

1361
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,880
But it wasn't until so I was 
there with Anthony Gustin, my 

1362
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:25,080
friend, my business partner in 
Lineage. 

1363
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:26,960
I remember that. 
One, and he got he got like a 

1364
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,560
stomach thing when he was there.
Not surprisingly, it's Tanzania.

1365
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:31,480
And the first thing they do is 
walk over this Bush and they're 

1366
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,280
like, here, chew on this, chew 
on this branch. 

1367
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,920
And OK, so that's when you use 
the vegetables. 

1368
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,240
Like generally within these 
indigenous cultures, plants are 

1369
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:44,000
medicine, not food, Not they 
don't have a value, right? 

1370
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:45,920
Just that they're medicinal, not
food. 

1371
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,520
And so we've, I think that for a
lot of people, we've kind of 

1372
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,080
flipped the, the hierarchy on 
its head, right? 

1373
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,040
We've been told red meat is 
horrible for you. 

1374
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,680
It'll raise your cholesterol. 
We've vilified red meat and 

1375
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,600
animal food, some of the most 
nutrient rich, Simply put, like 

1376
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,080
the most nutrient rich foods on 
the planet, we've vilified them 

1377
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:03,680
and subjugated them to the 
bottom of the hierarchy. 

1378
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,400
And we've taken, I mean, look, 
if somebody's eating unprocessed

1379
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,920
food, I'm happy. 
But we've within the unprocessed

1380
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:10,720
food realm, we've taken the 
vegetables, which are probably 

1381
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,920
the least bioavailable sources 
of nutrients and they have the 

1382
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,320
most toxins. 
Yeah, you have to eat a lot more

1383
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:20,000
plants to get anywhere near the 
same amount of nutrition that 

1384
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,640
you would get from like one 
steak. 

1385
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:23,960
Well a lot of the thing that 
really important thing to see 

1386
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:25,720
here is that a lot of the 
nutrients in the steak don't 

1387
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,760
even occur in the plants. 
Creatine, carnitine, answering 

1388
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:33,320
taurine, B12K2, none of these 
things actually even occur in 

1389
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:34,520
the plants. 
It's not that plants don't have 

1390
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:35,960
value. 
Clearly humans can get some 

1391
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,360
value from leaves, but not as 
not in the same ways, right? 

1392
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:43,200
And so it's different and, and 
plants, to be fair and balanced,

1393
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,160
plants have higher amounts of 
some things like beta carotene. 

1394
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:49,400
Well, animals have retinol form 
of vitamin A and plants have 

1395
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,080
beta carotene or there are a lot
of plants that are pretty high 

1396
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:53,640
in folate. 
And if you're looking at animal 

1397
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,000
foods, you have to eat liver if 
you want to get folate or an egg

1398
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,040
yolk. 
So you know, a steak doesn't 

1399
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:01,400
have everything, but it has a 
lot, and a lot of the things in 

1400
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,240
a steak are not actually found 
in any plant foods at all. 

1401
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,000
Let's talk about liver a little 
bit more and maybe this is a 

1402
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,040
good time for us to try our 
liver smoothies. 

1403
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:10,400
Yeah. 
So what's in here? 

1404
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:12,000
It's kind of separated a little 
bit. 

1405
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,280
So it's raw beef liver? 
Yeah. 

1406
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,040
Raw milk? 
No, no. 

1407
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:20,280
Strawberries, blueberries, 
raspberries, and lineage honey. 

1408
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,520
Let's go. 
So all right. 

1409
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:25,160
Pressure's on. 
Cheers. 

1410
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,160
I dig it. 
You like it? 

1411
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,120
Yeah, it's great. 
I mean, I love. 

1412
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,680
It's a little warm, it's been 
sitting out for a long time. 

1413
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,840
That's good. 
Give me all the fermented liver.

1414
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,360
So what makes liver such so 
special? 

1415
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:48,120
So some people think about liver
as the filter, which isn't 

1416
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:52,360
really true. 
The liver is where we have phase

1417
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:55,880
one and phase two detoxification
and that's how we detoxify 

1418
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,120
things. 
But then the liver excretes them

1419
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,280
or packages them for excretion 
and poop and pee. 

1420
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:05,160
So the liver is kind of this 
enzymatic manufacturing plant 

1421
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,600
that like exports things and 
gets rid of bad things. 

1422
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:09,720
But it's not storing toxins. 
It's not like how can the. 

1423
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,000
Body assimilate and get rid of 
them. 

1424
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,520
Essentially, yes, yes. 
And when we think about it like 

1425
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,280
you can look at the liver of 
animals, it doesn't, it's not 

1426
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,280
just full of all the toxins the 
animals eating in its whole 

1427
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:22,160
life. 
Like obviously the quality of 

1428
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:25,200
the foods and animals eating 
effects the quality of the meats

1429
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,200
and the organs grassfed versus 
grain fed. 

1430
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:30,000
But the liver, I just think of 
it like the metaphor I use is 

1431
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,600
like when I used to make 
spaghetti in college, you drain 

1432
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:34,800
the spaghetti into a colander 
and the spaghetti, the spaghetti

1433
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:36,120
stays. 
That's not the liver is not just

1434
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:37,800
a sieve, right? 
The liver is not a filter. 

1435
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,320
It's not like your coffee 
grounds and the liver, right? 

1436
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:41,520
It doesn't just catch 
everything. 

1437
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:44,160
It wants to take all that stuff 
that your body doesn't want and 

1438
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:47,120
export it. 
But because of that, because it 

1439
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,920
is such an enzymatic powerhouse,
it is full of unique nutrients 

1440
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,240
that often don't occur in other 
organs of the body. 

1441
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,480
So that's what's unique is that 
when you look at an animal like 

1442
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,680
a cow for instance, it's most of
us like to eat, eat beef or a 

1443
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:01,440
chicken and you eat that animal 
from nose to tail. 

1444
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:02,680
And you don't just eat the 
muscle meat. 

1445
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:07,800
You get almost a complete array 
of every vitamin and mineral 

1446
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,560
that we know of as humans. 
The only potential thing missing

1447
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,000
is vitamin C, but meat actually 
contains vitamin. 

1448
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:14,480
C does it, Yes, I didn't know 
that. 

1449
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:16,920
Yeah, the spleen is the most 
rich source of vitamin C in an 

1450
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:18,720
animal. 
The liver has vitamin C. 

1451
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:20,880
The meat actually has vitamin C 
now. 

1452
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,720
I think you can get more vitamin
C from cherries and raspberries 

1453
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,120
and blueberries and and oranges,
right? 

1454
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,720
What about Kiwi? 
Kiwi is a great source of 

1455
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:33,160
vitamin C but meat is known as 
an anti scorbutic. 

1456
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:36,920
So this history of the Limeys 
and Britain and this idea of 

1457
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:40,720
scurvy going across the ocean, 
they knew that if they eat meat,

1458
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,000
that would cure scurvy. 
So meat cures scurvy. 

1459
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,960
So meat has some vitamin C. 
So really you could technically 

1460
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:50,600
say eating an animal from nose 
to tail contains essentially 

1461
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:52,960
every vitamin and mineral that 
you would need to thrive as a 

1462
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,760
human. 
If you ate fresh meat, you would

1463
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,760
actually get carbohydrates too, 
because there would be so much 

1464
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:01,720
fresh glycogen in the meat. 
So the idea that like and I, I 

1465
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:04,080
eat plants, right I. 
But for a while you didn't. 

1466
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,880
You only ate animal. 
A year and a half. 

1467
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:10,160
Yeah, so why did you decide to 
incorporate some plants and 

1468
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,440
fruits back into your diet? 
So I think that one of the 

1469
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:14,320
things I've been thinking about 
a lot recently is bio 

1470
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:19,120
individuality. 
And I was, it was an interesting

1471
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:20,720
experiment for me. 
So the reason I did carnivore is

1472
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,560
because I had bad eczema. 
So when I started carnivore, I 

1473
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:27,120
was in my residency in Seattle 
and I had eczema, an eczema 

1474
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:30,319
flare that was horrible. 
I think it was related to some 

1475
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:32,640
additional mushrooms I was 
using, not psilocybin, but like 

1476
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:36,479
chaga, reishi, Cordyceps. 
I was doing mushroom extracts 

1477
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:37,840
and I had a horrible eczema 
flare. 

1478
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,279
Interesting. 
And I had had eczema flares in 

1479
01:08:40,279 --> 01:08:44,640
the past related to chocolate or
unpasteurized dairy, or probably

1480
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:46,439
things like tomatoes that I 
wasn't aware of. 

1481
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:47,760
Nightshades do seem to trigger 
my. 

1482
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,600
Eczema Lectins. 
In some cases, I mean, tomatoes 

1483
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,080
have lectins, all foods have 
lectins. 

1484
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:55,000
It just seems like plant lectins
are potentially more problematic

1485
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,000
from an immune system 
perspective than animal lectins.

1486
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,319
But yeah, I think grains may 
have triggered my eczema in the 

1487
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:02,319
past. 
So I went strict carnivore and 

1488
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:04,840
for a year and a half I eat 
nothing but meat, fat and organs

1489
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:05,279
and salt. 
Wow. 

1490
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:07,359
And isn't that? 
Hard. 

1491
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,680
I I like doing these 
experiments, so I I really. 

1492
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:13,640
I thought it was so gung ho. 
Yeah, I thought it was really 

1493
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,240
interesting. 
And that was the time when I 

1494
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:17,760
wrote the book about the 
carnivore diet. 

1495
01:09:18,279 --> 01:09:19,880
And since then a lot of things 
have changed. 

1496
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,080
And I've I've followed my 
perspective on a number of 

1497
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,000
things. 
But man, there's a lot of people

1498
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,160
who have really benefited from 
that type of a diet. 

1499
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,359
I mean, you look at Jordan 
Peterson and, you know, a number

1500
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:32,279
of people have reversed 
recalcitrant autoimmune 

1501
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:35,240
conditions with very simple 
elimination diet. 

1502
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,160
So there's a real, there's a 
role for it. 

1503
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:42,000
I found out that for me, adding 
back carbohydrates did not cause

1504
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:43,840
an eczema flare if they were 
from fruit. 

1505
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,399
And I felt so much better. 
So I think there's a lot of bio 

1506
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:48,760
individuality here. 
And I'm trying to think now 

1507
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,960
about how to anticipate what are
your genetics, right? 

1508
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:53,800
Where's your family from? 
Are you going to do better with 

1509
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:57,080
carbohydrates or less or worse? 
Because I have some friends that

1510
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,640
say to me like, I think I feel 
better with high fat, low carb. 

1511
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:03,080
And I think, OK, well, that's 
great. 

1512
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,160
Like if you feel better with 
that and you don't have muscle 

1513
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,320
cramps. 
So I had sleep disturbance, I 

1514
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:09,320
had heart palpitations, I had 
muscle cramps. 

1515
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,680
My testosterone went from about 
800 to around 505 fifty. 

1516
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,640
So it didn't go completely, you 
know, low, but it went pretty 

1517
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,560
low for me and then. 
When you added carbs back in, it

1518
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:20,400
all comes back. 
It went. 

1519
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:23,200
From fruit and honey was what I 
started with and now I do squash

1520
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,840
also. 
So squash is a fruit and, and 

1521
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,560
now I mean, I think that what 
I've learned about myself is 

1522
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:32,280
that I, I'm Mediterranean. 
My family is Saladino. 

1523
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:34,040
They're my dad's family's 
Sicilian. 

1524
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,000
So I think that, you know, 
probably somewhere in my 

1525
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,360
genetics is, yeah, your body 
likes carbohydrates. 

1526
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,840
And the more active I am, the 
more carbohydrates I eat and I 

1527
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:44,760
maintain leanness. 
You know, I don't, I don't do 

1528
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:46,160
any hormones. 
I've never done any hormone 

1529
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:47,880
replacement. 
I don't have a problem with a 

1530
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:50,120
man or a woman doing hormone 
replacement if they've ruled out

1531
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:53,240
any reversible causes of low 
testosterone or hormonal 

1532
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,960
decline. 
But I don't take any hormones. 

1533
01:10:55,960 --> 01:11:00,000
I stay lean. 
I stay muscular and so why, you 

1534
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,000
know, why would I eat less 
carbohydrates? 

1535
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:03,360
I think it's fine. 
I don't see an issue with 

1536
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:04,880
carbohydrates. 
And I also stay very insulin 

1537
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:06,880
sensitive. 
So I found out that works for 

1538
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:07,920
me. 
So that's really interesting. 

1539
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,560
So it's like, it's almost like I
was getting, you know, different

1540
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:14,200
aspects of the of the equation 
and trying to see more of the 

1541
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,080
full picture. 
Like, OK, look, I do think 

1542
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,600
elimination diets, this is to 
your vegetable question are 

1543
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,440
helpful for people, especially 
with autoimmune conditions, 

1544
01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:23,840
right? 
When you cut out vegetables, if 

1545
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:25,960
you have autoimmune disease, 
it's probably worth a trial of 

1546
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,640
that. 
If nothing gets better, include 

1547
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,320
it. 
You know, if you love your steam

1548
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,400
kale, knock yourself out. 
Just make sure you check your 

1549
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,720
thyroid labs because kale and 
broccoli and those foods do have

1550
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:38,240
compounds in them that inhibit 
absorption at the level of the 

1551
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:39,520
thyroid and can affect the 
thyroid. 

1552
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,760
But this is the story of 
vegetables that they do contain 

1553
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:45,000
defense chemicals. 
I mean that the leaves, the 

1554
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,640
stems, the roots, the seeds of 
plants are defended and they 

1555
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:49,440
have defense chemicals. 
It's the only way they can 

1556
01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:51,920
defend themselves. 
Animals can run away, they can 

1557
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,240
attack bite. 
Plants don't have that 

1558
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:55,400
capability. 
Plants don't have the 

1559
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:57,000
capability. 
So some people are probably more

1560
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:00,600
sensitive to this than others. 
But I mean, like over here, 

1561
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,320
people can't see it in the 
frame, but this is a beautiful 

1562
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,200
scene. 
There are sheep grazing on 

1563
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,640
grass. 
These are ruminant animals, 

1564
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,400
right? 
These are animals evolved to eat

1565
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:09,840
that grass. 
We are not evolved to eat that 

1566
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:11,840
grass. 
Like, if I eat what that sheep 

1567
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:13,680
is eating, I'm not going to feel
very good. 

1568
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:15,360
I might have diarrhea. 
I might have. 

1569
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:18,080
I might puke. 
It would be a very bad afternoon

1570
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,720
for me, right? 
So all of these plants are not 

1571
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,880
just here for my eating. 
Like, this is not good food for 

1572
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,520
humans. 
And even the sheep know this. 

1573
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:30,880
And if you take even ruminant 
animals like this and you can 

1574
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:32,960
find them in too small a 
paddock, you know this, I'm sure

1575
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,040
they they sometimes have mass 
die off because they don't have 

1576
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,320
enough variety of plants to eat.
They're not just eating one 

1577
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:40,120
single species. 
They're eating a little bit of 

1578
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:42,120
this one, a little bit of that 
one, a little bit of that one, 

1579
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,560
because they have this intrinsic
knowledge, OK, that plant has 

1580
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,040
this defense chemical. 
My body can handle this much of 

1581
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:48,520
it. 
That plant has this defense 

1582
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:50,480
chemical and this plant has this
defense chemical. 

1583
01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:52,400
So that this is what animals do.
They graze. 

1584
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:55,760
They don't just eat one single 
species of food. 

1585
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:57,840
Like, like we shouldn't, you 
know, we're not going to be good

1586
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:01,240
if we just eat kale. 
So they're, they're very smart 

1587
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,320
about this and they even 
appreciate that there are 

1588
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:06,720
defense chemicals and food. 
So yeah, it's, it's a, it's a 

1589
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:08,880
nuanced thing. 
I don't think everyone eats kind

1590
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,160
of vegetables, but for some 
people it's very helpful. 

1591
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:12,320
Yeah. 
It's something to play with. 

1592
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:13,720
Yeah. 
And I've known a lot of people 

1593
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:16,040
who have had autoimmune 
conditions that have gone 

1594
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,680
straight carnivore, not 
permanently, but for a period of

1595
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,200
time, and have experienced a lot
of relief from that. 

1596
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,680
Tell us just quickly, like where
you've landed now, diet wise, 

1597
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:28,360
what you eat. 
Like maybe just a brief snapshot

1598
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:29,920
of like what you eat in a 
typical day. 

1599
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:33,440
Yeah. 
So broadly, I eat meat. 

1600
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:37,200
I mostly eat grass fed beef. 
That's almost all the meat that 

1601
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:41,120
I eat. 
I don't eat fish because for me 

1602
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,880
it's not worth it because of the
heavy metals, the PFAS, the 

1603
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:47,240
forever chemicals and the 
microplastics. 

1604
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:50,280
I I like fish, but I just don't 
choose to eat it. 

1605
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,040
So I think fish is good for 
humans. 

1606
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,560
If you eat a lot of fish, just 
check your heavy metals, right? 

1607
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:58,320
I just find red meat to be more 
enjoyable than chicken. 

1608
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:00,320
So I don't eat a lot of chicken.
So, but I eat meat. 

1609
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:05,240
I eat fruit, organic fruit that 
I can find hopefully locally or 

1610
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,200
in season. 
But one of the things I like 

1611
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:08,600
about being in the States is I 
can get cherries. 

1612
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:10,280
I don't get cherries in Costa 
Rica and they're one of my 

1613
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,280
favorite foods. 
So I eat a lot of cherries. 

1614
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:14,120
I eat berries in season that are
organic. 

1615
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,400
I eat squash. 
I like spaghetti squash. 

1616
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:20,320
I like about to squash. 
I eat raw dairy, so hopefully I 

1617
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:23,520
can get raw goat milk or raw 
cow's milk, and then I have 

1618
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:27,200
animal fat and then I have salt 
and that's pretty much it. 

1619
01:14:27,480 --> 01:14:30,240
I feel like that is kind of 
there's everything you need 

1620
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,400
there and that's pretty much how
I try to eat as well. 

1621
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,480
I do have some nuts and seeds, 
some chocolate sometimes, but 

1622
01:14:35,480 --> 01:14:37,760
for the most part, I notice that
I do feel the best when I'm 

1623
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:41,320
eating the animal based type of 
diet that you just described. 

1624
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,480
So this podcast is kind of 
fresh. 

1625
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:48,000
We're still like under a year 
and we haven't really gotten 

1626
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:53,480
into commonly accepted drugs 
like coffee, alcohol, topics 

1627
01:14:53,480 --> 01:14:55,080
like that. 
I know you just came out with a 

1628
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:57,080
coffee, but you don't drink it 
yourself, No. 

1629
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:59,400
Can you explain why you decided 
to come out with a product that 

1630
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:01,800
you don't personally consume? 
You said you drink coffee. 

1631
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:04,080
I do. 
Jimmy over there drinks coffee. 

1632
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:05,840
Martin from my team drinks 
coffee. 

1633
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,040
How many on your team drink? 
You guys who drinks coffee? 

1634
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:12,560
Everyone's raised. 100% of 
people over here 100% OK OK, so 

1635
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:16,000
that's why I made a coffee. 
Everyone on my team drinks 

1636
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,160
coffee and everyone I know 
drinks coffee. 

1637
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:21,280
My girlfriend drinks coffee. 
Outlier. 

1638
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:22,680
Right. 
And so I was like, look, I'm 

1639
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:26,960
going to make a good coffee. 
This is kind of the, the, the 

1640
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,480
benefit of of building companies
like Lineage, right, is that I 

1641
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:33,680
get to have agency with vision 
aligned business partners like 

1642
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:36,560
Anthony to bring products into 
the world that are unique that 

1643
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,760
don't exist for an audience that
is asking for them. 

1644
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:43,480
So, you know, just because a 
bunch of people say, Hey, I want

1645
01:15:43,480 --> 01:15:46,720
this type of coffee or will you 
please make a meat stick with 

1646
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:48,600
the some really good high 
quality grass? 

1647
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,320
It doesn't mean the meat stick 
can exist unless there's the 

1648
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:53,360
people that can like bring the 
project together, right, because

1649
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:55,120
it may not be viable and might 
not be able to reach enough 

1650
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:56,840
people. 
This is what's awesome about 

1651
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,280
what you do is that you've been 
able to create products that 

1652
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:02,160
people are asking for in a way 
that they they didn't exist 

1653
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,360
before you made them. 
So this is actually like, I feel

1654
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:06,680
like this is art, you know, 
making things for people that 

1655
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:10,040
they benefit from. 
This is what we do, and I feel 

1656
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:11,360
really good about that. 
I'm really proud of what we've 

1657
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:12,920
done at lineage. 
And you guys, I'm sure are 

1658
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:14,160
really proud of what you do with
your stuff. 

1659
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:17,520
And you should be because it's 
very, very intentionally built. 

1660
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:19,520
And that's that's very beautiful
for people to receive. 

1661
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:22,600
And so with coffee, it was like,
OK, if I were going to drink 

1662
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:25,320
coffee, which I probably never 
will, I have. 

1663
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:26,840
Have you tried it I. 
Have had coffee. 

1664
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:29,800
I tried a little bit of our 
coffee, OK, just to try it. 

1665
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:33,000
But the last time that I had 
coffee before that was probably 

1666
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:34,200
20 plus years ago. 
Wow. 

1667
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,480
When I was in PA school. 
So before I went to medical 

1668
01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:38,920
school, I went to PA school. 
And were you like, addicted to 

1669
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:41,280
coffee back then or just never 
sat well with you? 

1670
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:43,720
I. 
It definitely made me feel kind 

1671
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:47,240
of hyped up, but I just didn't 
like the jittery things of it. 

1672
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:49,400
It's like my husband, he doesn't
drink any caffeine. 

1673
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:52,880
Yeah, I mean, I think for some 
people it's not great, but if 

1674
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:56,160
you make a coffee, make it 
organic, make it shade grown 

1675
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:59,520
regenerative, test it for mold 
and test it for pesticides. 

1676
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,320
And so that's what we did. 
And so I wanted to make like a 

1677
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:04,240
really good high quality coffee.
That's that's kind of what we do

1678
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:06,120
at Lineage. 
Like it's not interesting to me 

1679
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:09,240
to make something unless it's 
very cool and very unique and 

1680
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:10,600
very high quality. 
That's what we want to do. 

1681
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:12,160
So that's why I did it. 
And I think people love it. 

1682
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:13,280
I think it's sold out on the 
first day. 

1683
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:14,560
Wow. 
Yeah, I don't know. 

1684
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:16,960
You get more coffee in stock. 
What about alcohol? 

1685
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,960
Do you think alcohol is OK in 
moderation or should people 

1686
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,920
avoid it completely? 
I mean, life is worth living, 

1687
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,440
right? 
I don't drink alcohol. 

1688
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:30,040
I have had alcohol within my 
life, but never to excess. 

1689
01:17:30,440 --> 01:17:34,000
I've I don't really remember the
last time people ask me. 

1690
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:38,080
Sometimes I do remember the last
time I had half a beer was my 

1691
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:40,280
first year of medical school. 
Wow. 

1692
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:44,160
So that was many years ago and I
was running for class president.

1693
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:47,480
Incidentally, I lost, but I was 
running for class president and 

1694
01:17:47,480 --> 01:17:49,880
I was at a bar with people in 
the class and I was just kind of

1695
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:51,080
hanging out and I had half a 
beer. 

1696
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:55,200
That was the last time, so 
probably close to 20 years ago 

1697
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:59,040
that I had a beer. 
I don't miss it in my life. 

1698
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:03,160
I feel like when I try and frame
the alcohol conversation, I just

1699
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:07,280
think that most people, I think 
everyone is smart enough, good 

1700
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:10,480
looking enough, charismatic 
enough to have friends talk to 

1701
01:18:10,480 --> 01:18:13,120
people in bars without alcohol. 
Like people just need to know 

1702
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:17,360
that you're good enough without 
alcohol and it's not great for 

1703
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:18,760
you. 
We know that even one drink a 

1704
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,360
day averaged over a week thins 
the neocortex of the brain. 

1705
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:22,880
It's just not great for us as 
humans. 

1706
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:26,000
So there's these competing ideas
that like, oh, you should drink 

1707
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,440
a glass of wine per night and 
then we'll well, one drink a day

1708
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:33,200
thins the neocortex. 
So I see alcohol as like from 

1709
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:34,960
zero to 1. 
It's a toxin. 

1710
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:36,600
Like any amount of alcohol is 
toxic. 

1711
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,280
Where all those studies about 
like the antioxidants and red 

1712
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:41,880
wine and the heart health 
benefits were those funded by 

1713
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:43,520
the alcohol industry? 
I don't know who they were 

1714
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:44,600
funding I. 
Heard something about? 

1715
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:47,320
That they may have been, I mean,
but look, it's like foods are 

1716
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:50,920
complex, right? 
And something can be have good 

1717
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:53,520
qualities for us and bad 
qualities for us simultaneously,

1718
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:54,680
right. 
So we just have to kind of weigh

1719
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:56,280
them. 
That's like a good this is like 

1720
01:18:56,280 --> 01:19:00,520
this is akin to vegetables. 
Vegetables do contain nutrients,

1721
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:03,200
but for some people I would 
argue they're net negative. 

1722
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:05,400
And I think that alcohol is kind
of the same way. 

1723
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:07,600
You can make an argument that 
alcohol is beneficial because it

1724
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:10,120
affects platelet aggregation and
thins the blood. 

1725
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:13,160
So drinking alcohol is probably 
going to lower your risk of 

1726
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:17,600
clotting events, but is it then 
going to do other negative 

1727
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:21,680
things in your body? 
So I think that like most, I 

1728
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,440
think it's more clear cut than 
coffee for me that like, I think

1729
01:19:24,440 --> 01:19:27,800
most people's lives get better 
when they cut alcohol out 

1730
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:29,320
completely. 
That's just what I'll say Like, 

1731
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:32,560
and but you know, if you want to
drink with your wife at dinner 

1732
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,560
or you're having a drink on your
anniversary, be my guest. 

1733
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,360
But just know that the science 
doesn't say that like that's 

1734
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,920
really going to benefit you. 
What about nicotine? 

1735
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:43,000
Nicotine has become popular in 
the Wellness community. 

1736
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:46,160
What's your take on nicotine? 
So nicotine is a naturally 

1737
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:47,960
occurring neurotransmitter in 
the human body. 

1738
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:53,080
But I think that when we use 
these things supplementally, 

1739
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:54,680
there's going to be changes in 
the human body. 

1740
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:56,800
This is kind of like a Ozempic 
conversation to me. 

1741
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,120
Like nicotine does things in the
human body. 

1742
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:02,480
It is bio active and maybe in 
some people it decreases 

1743
01:20:02,480 --> 01:20:05,160
cognitive decline if they have, 
you know, neurologic disease. 

1744
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:07,720
But I think that for most of us,
you're going to get changes in 

1745
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:09,640
the body long term that are not 
going to be worth it. 

1746
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:13,080
And I think a lot of us are 
using it in ways that don't. 

1747
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:16,800
Benefit us long term. 
So I would not do supplemental 

1748
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:18,880
nicotine. 
I don't I don't like that I've 

1749
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,320
seen some people use it. 
I think people use it for 

1750
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:25,240
certain neurologic situations. 
And yes, like I think there are 

1751
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:27,040
studies that show that nicotine 
exposure might improve 

1752
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:30,760
Alzheimer's outcomes because if 
people are metabolically unwell 

1753
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,120
and you give them more certain 
signaling of certain 

1754
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:35,040
neurotransmitters, that might 
have a benefit, but what's the 

1755
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,240
risk on the backside? 
So I think it's an individual 

1756
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:39,240
equation for each of us, but I 
think for most people it's net 

1757
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:42,000
negative to use nicotine and 
you're definitely going to have 

1758
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,360
adjustments in the human body 
that to the nicotine and when 

1759
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:48,520
you stop it craving and I don't 
think it's worth it. 

1760
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:50,960
Yeah, yeah, no free lunch. 
OK. 

1761
01:20:51,480 --> 01:20:54,280
Microplastics are also a big 
conversation right now. 

1762
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:56,840
This is something that you've 
spoken out about quite a bit. 

1763
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:01,360
How are we exposed to different 
microplastics in our environment

1764
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:03,400
and what are the negative 
impacts of them? 

1765
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:06,560
So if you look, I mean, you've 
seen the studies, now they look 

1766
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:09,800
in human testicles, human 
ovaries, human brains. 

1767
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:11,760
There's microplastics 
everywhere. 

1768
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:13,520
That's scary. 
You think my brain has an 

1769
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:15,480
appreciable amount of 
microplastics in it? 

1770
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:18,880
And these are essentially like 
petroleum byproducts, right? 

1771
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:25,200
Yep, small fragments of plastic.
So unfortunately we don't, we 

1772
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,160
absorb them and we hold on to 
some of them and our body 

1773
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:31,560
probably detoxifies them 
gradually in sort of a flux as a

1774
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:34,240
flux, you know, in and out. 
But I think the most important 

1775
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:36,320
thing with microplastics is to 
understand like the biggest 

1776
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:39,360
sources of exposure. 
When I've looked at sheer 

1777
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:42,640
numbers, I think the biggest 
source of exposure is plastics 

1778
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:46,560
like plastic water bottles, 
plastic lined containers. 

1779
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:48,960
But there are a lot of those 
things that I think a lot that 

1780
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,080
many of us don't have an 
awareness of. 

1781
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:55,680
So obviously getting your 
bottled water in plastic is a 

1782
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,720
horrible idea. 
Thousands, 10s of thousands, 

1783
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,680
hundreds of thousands of 
microplastics per liter, 

1784
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:04,000
especially if it's been sitting 
on the shelf at Costco for six 

1785
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:07,640
months or sitting in your car in
200° heat as the car is turning 

1786
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:11,320
into a sauna. 
Horrible idea, but all cans are 

1787
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:13,920
lined with plastic, so soda 
cans. 

1788
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:18,720
The worst can is a soup can 
because soup cans are filled 

1789
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:20,480
with hot soup. 
Yeah. 

1790
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:24,760
So the thing you don't want to 
do is to put hot liquids into 

1791
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,080
plastic. 
And believe me, when I was in PA

1792
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,800
school, I had plastic 
containers, and I took my 

1793
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,920
chicken and pasta sauce and I 
put it in the microwave and I 

1794
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,680
dosed myself in microplastics 
just like the rest of us, right?

1795
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:36,480
Yeah. 
Oh, this is great. 

1796
01:22:36,480 --> 01:22:40,280
I didn't even think about it. 
Just so unaware, but you do not 

1797
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:42,360
want to put hot things into 
plastic. 

1798
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:45,320
That's a horrible idea. 
So soups, all these things 

1799
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:46,800
really. 
That's probably one of the 

1800
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:48,200
biggest exposures that we're not
aware of. 

1801
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,800
I was pretty, I was pretty 
surprised by the numbers with 

1802
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:53,360
tea and tea bags. 
I think I need to see some more 

1803
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:55,720
studies, but tea apparently has 
quite a bit of myoplastics. 

1804
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:57,440
You would never want to brew 
tea. 

1805
01:22:57,520 --> 01:22:59,680
Have you seen those like plastic
tea bags? 

1806
01:22:59,960 --> 01:23:01,440
They're like the pyramidal 
shaped bags. 

1807
01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:03,360
And they're like kind of pearly 
looking. 

1808
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:06,400
They look really pretty. 
But yeah, I see those a lot at 

1809
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,920
spas. 
And I used to drink them and now

1810
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:12,520
I, I just, I just imagine all of
the plastic that I'm drinking 

1811
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:13,920
when I drink them and I can't do
it. 

1812
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:16,960
Anymore Well, the worst one for 
me is do you ever have a camel 

1813
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:17,960
bag? 
One of those camel bags. 

1814
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:22,000
They tasted like plastic. 
And I used to do so much running

1815
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:25,400
and biking. 
I mean, I yeah, I'm. 

1816
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:27,520
You can really taste it like I 
can. 

1817
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:31,240
I can imagine the taste right 
now and like drinking the the 

1818
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:32,480
plastic residue. 
Yes. 

1819
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,240
Yeah, and drinking out of 
plastic bottles when I ride my 

1820
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:38,840
road bike or my mountain bike. 
And you just don't know with 

1821
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:41,680
those bottles, like if they've 
been sitting in a hot warehouse 

1822
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:44,240
for however long. 
Water doesn't expire. 

1823
01:23:44,440 --> 01:23:47,720
So I mean, yeah, even if, like, 
it's not hot, when you have it 

1824
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:49,600
in your possession, you don't 
know where it's been stored. 

1825
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:50,840
Same with all these foods. 
Yeah. 

1826
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,920
So it's, it's tough. 
I mean, this is another big 

1827
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:56,320
exposure of mycoplastics too, 
because they're in the ocean, 

1828
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:59,120
they're swimming in it literally
and they're bioaccumulating 

1829
01:23:59,120 --> 01:23:59,840
this. 
So what do we do? 

1830
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:03,240
So look, none of us is going to 
be free of microplastics. 

1831
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:07,120
One of the most challenging 
things is just getting meat, you

1832
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:11,840
know, So I still get meat in 
plastic from the store because I

1833
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:13,800
want to buy meat and it's 
already packaged in plastic. 

1834
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,280
I imagine that if it's frozen, 
there's not as much transfer of 

1835
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:19,680
anything from the plastic to the
meat, whether it's endocrine 

1836
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:21,720
disrupting chemicals or little 
fabrments, fragments of 

1837
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:23,960
microplastics. 
But we haven't solved it yet. 

1838
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,480
You know, I've often thought, 
like, how could we build better 

1839
01:24:27,480 --> 01:24:31,240
packaging, plastic packaging. 
I mean, you know, I'm looking at

1840
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:32,720
some cars over here. 
I'm thinking like the number of 

1841
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:36,000
plastic parts to make a car, the
number of plastic parts to make 

1842
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:40,080
all of the technology that we 
are using here is innumerable. 

1843
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:42,880
But like, that is a problem for 
us as humans because it's 

1844
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,840
putting more plastic in the 
environment and the plastic 

1845
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:48,440
packaging around our foods is a 
big deal. 

1846
01:24:48,440 --> 01:24:50,000
We. 
Just rely on it so much, yeah. 

1847
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:50,960
How do we? 
Fix it, I don't. 

1848
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:54,040
Know I've gotten like quarter 
cows or half cows before from 

1849
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:58,960
primal pastors and had it 
wrapped in not plastic but 

1850
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:00,880
butcher paper. 
Yeah, like butcher paper. 

1851
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:02,360
That would be the way to do it. 
I feel like that's a better 

1852
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:04,120
option. 
It's, it doesn't last as long, 

1853
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:06,880
but if you as long as you're 
eating it regularly, you know, 

1854
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:07,920
it's, it's fine. 
Well. 

1855
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,520
What I've thought about, and 
again, this is just practice and

1856
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:12,440
it would be more work for 
everyone involved in the supply 

1857
01:25:12,440 --> 01:25:14,440
chain, is you can still vacuum 
pack it. 

1858
01:25:14,440 --> 01:25:16,800
But if you wrap it in a 
parchment paper within the 

1859
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,440
vacuum packing, Oh yeah, but 
that then it wouldn't actually 

1860
01:25:19,440 --> 01:25:21,440
be touching the plastic. 
It's a really good idea. 

1861
01:25:21,440 --> 01:25:24,760
So I wish the meat were packaged
that way, but in a grocery store

1862
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:28,000
the meat doesn't look as good 
right when there's a piece of 

1863
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,040
paper between the plastic. 
People want to be able to see 

1864
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:30,640
it. 
Yeah, right. 

1865
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:32,280
But I don't. 
I'm just like, I trust you. 

1866
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:34,040
Give me a steak. 
I don't want it to be touching 

1867
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:35,360
plastic if I can avoid it. 
So. 

1868
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:37,800
And I think the most important 
thing then is just not to 

1869
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:41,720
defrost it, not to like put it 
in hot water, the plastic 

1870
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,680
packaging to defrost it quickly.
Yeah, just thinking ahead a 

1871
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:46,800
little bit and like taking it 
out of the freezer, putting it 

1872
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:48,200
in the fridge to defrost over 
time. 

1873
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:52,120
Yeah, I've got to imagine that 
that meat touching plastic is 

1874
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:53,920
one of the least problematic 
things. 

1875
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,000
But it's it's what I think about
fixing in my own life. 

1876
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:58,760
Just to to the earlier 
conversation that we had about 

1877
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:02,800
coffee, like Keurigs, these like
instant, like, these are bad. 

1878
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:06,200
These are bad. 
So my girlfriend is mad at me 

1879
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:07,400
about this but she had a 
Breville. 

1880
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:09,440
OK. 
And I took it apart. 

1881
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:11,400
I don't we made, we made 
contents. 

1882
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:12,280
Did you tell her you were going 
to? 

1883
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:14,400
Yeah, I told her I was gunning. 
I told her I bought her. 

1884
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:18,760
I bought her a stainless steel, 
you know, espresso pot instead. 

1885
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:23,200
But like I took apart the brevel
and it's all plastic tubes. 

1886
01:26:23,480 --> 01:26:24,560
We have a piece of content about
this. 

1887
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:26,760
I don't know if we've published 
it yet, but it's all these 

1888
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,000
plastic tubes in the brevel with
hot water, right? 

1889
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:32,320
So the what the brevel does is 
it takes water from a plastic 

1890
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:37,240
reservoir, puts it into an 
aluminum heating element, heats 

1891
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:41,000
it up and then moves it hot 
through the the sort of 

1892
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:44,520
espresso, the espresso sort of 
handle. 

1893
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:46,880
I don't know these, I don't know
the terms because I don't drink 

1894
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:50,320
espresso guys, but it moves hot 
water through tubes after an 

1895
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:51,680
aluminum thing. 
So you don't want hot water 

1896
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:53,400
touching aluminum. 
You don't want hot water 

1897
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:55,560
touching plastic tubes. 
So that's a problem. 

1898
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:57,840
But then you have the Keurigs 
and these like coffee pots, 

1899
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,120
they're super convenient. 
Back to that other word that we 

1900
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:03,160
talked about earlier. 
But they're tin and you know, 

1901
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:05,040
they're they're aluminum and 
they're tin that's all going 

1902
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:06,880
into the water right into your 
coffee. 

1903
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,320
So, you know, you go to 
Starbucks and I know I'm just 

1904
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:10,640
racking people's brains right 
now. 

1905
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:12,880
Look, don't let perfect be the 
enemy of good. 

1906
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:14,640
Knowledge is power. 
Do the best you can. 

1907
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,440
I'm not trying to fear monger. 
I'm trying to drop knowledge and

1908
01:27:17,440 --> 01:27:18,560
help people make better 
decisions. 

1909
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:22,480
But you go to Starbucks, all the
machines there are running hot 

1910
01:27:22,480 --> 01:27:24,080
water through plastic tubes, 
right? 

1911
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:28,200
Unless you're getting pour over 
coffee or French press, they're 

1912
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:31,360
heating in a stainless steel. 
You can do it, but you have to 

1913
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:32,840
raise, you have to not raise 
your coffee. 

1914
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:34,880
You have to make your coffee in 
a certain way. 

1915
01:27:35,440 --> 01:27:38,520
And that's that's interesting. 
So the Lineage coffee is 

1916
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:40,680
designed to be made in a French 
press. 

1917
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:42,640
Sorry, something doesn't have 
plastic. 

1918
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:45,720
What about plastics and 
clothing? 

1919
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:49,120
Yeah. 
So the main thing that I've seen

1920
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:51,280
with clothing, there's a couple 
problems with clothing. 

1921
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:53,640
So one of the things is the 
PFAS, right? 

1922
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:56,800
So the parafluoroalkyl 
substances the forever chemicals

1923
01:27:57,320 --> 01:27:59,080
because they do seem to transfer
to the skin. 

1924
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:03,240
So there were studies on 
lululemon leggings Old Navy like

1925
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:04,560
all I. 
Used to work at Lululemon. 

1926
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:06,360
All the all the companies do 
this, right? 

1927
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:10,400
And a lot of times they will put
PFAS into the leggings because 

1928
01:28:10,480 --> 01:28:13,080
women sweat in the leggings and 
they don't want it. 

1929
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,360
They try. 
It's like a moisture barrier. 

1930
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:18,080
Oh, at Lululemon that was like 
one of the main selling points 

1931
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:21,040
that we were taught to educate 
customers on was the moisture 

1932
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:25,160
wicking capabilities. 
But really it's just the the pee

1933
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:28,960
Foz that are sprayed all over 
them allow that that barrier to 

1934
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:30,560
be there. 
Yes, yeah, yes. 

1935
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:33,960
So, and what we know is that 
those can be absorbed through 

1936
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:35,120
the skin. 
So that's not a good thing 

1937
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:36,880
either. 
And then there's these other 

1938
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:39,640
studies that I've spoken about a
little bit recently where and 

1939
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:41,480
it's, it's kind of a funny set 
of studies. 

1940
01:28:41,480 --> 01:28:44,760
They've done it in humans and in
dogs where they put polyester 

1941
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:48,080
underwear on the dogs and it 
actually decreases sperm counts.

1942
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:50,360
After how long? 
I think it was after six months.

1943
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:52,000
Wow. 
And they've done it in humans 

1944
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:53,440
too. 
They had humans wear sort of 

1945
01:28:53,440 --> 01:28:55,520
polyester underwear. 
They used cotton underwear I 

1946
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:58,280
think as a control because oh, 
it's increasing the heat in the 

1947
01:28:58,280 --> 01:29:00,840
testicles, right? 
But it doesn't look like it was.

1948
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:03,840
The cotton underwear did nothing
but the polyester underwear, 

1949
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:08,040
probably because of like a a 
bio, like a static effect 

1950
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:09,680
electrostatic. 
It's not like the endocrine, 

1951
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:10,920
endocrine I. 
Don't think it's endocrine 

1952
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:12,480
disrupting. 
It's probably an electrostatic 

1953
01:29:12,480 --> 01:29:13,480
effect. 
OK, Yeah. 

1954
01:29:13,480 --> 01:29:17,120
It also happened in female dogs.
So yeah, it's like historically 

1955
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:20,960
as humans, we have not had 
synthetic clothing on where I 

1956
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:23,760
think we should ask questions 
and be careful and be skeptical 

1957
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:26,160
about what synthetic clothing 
may do next to our skin, 

1958
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:27,520
especially next to our 
reproductive organs. 

1959
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:28,960
I don't think we have this 
answer yet, but it's it's 

1960
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:30,760
worrisome. 
It's worth thinking about, 

1961
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:33,000
especially with how much 
infertility exists. 

1962
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,440
Oh yeah, Oh yeah, and underwear 
I think is the best place to 

1963
01:29:35,440 --> 01:29:36,800
start. 
Underwear's a great place to 

1964
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:38,200
start. 
Yeah, yeah, we'll make some 

1965
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:40,080
lineage underwear here. 
I'm joking. 

1966
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:41,640
I don't think we're going to 
make a little genderwear. 

1967
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,480
You mentioned creatine earlier 
and I want to just pick your 

1968
01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:47,000
brain on creatine real quick. 
What are the benefits of 

1969
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:50,560
creatine and are people getting 
enough creatine in their diets 

1970
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:52,240
today? 
Yeah, so creatine is 

1971
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:54,880
fascinating. 
It's made in the human body, but

1972
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:59,480
we don't make enough of it. 
And it is a store of energy. 

1973
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:02,000
So creatine is part of the 
phosphocreatine system. 

1974
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:05,720
Your body uses creatine when you
do sprints and intense sort of 

1975
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,880
activities, whether it's a 
Sprint or a strength building 

1976
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:11,480
activity. 
That's a fast activity and it 

1977
01:30:11,480 --> 01:30:13,880
serves as a quick replenishment 
of ATP. 

1978
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:17,320
And so even in the brain, in 
every tissue of the body, 

1979
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:20,400
creatine seems to have benefits.
In the brain, it can help with 

1980
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:22,280
mental clarity or sleep 
deprivation. 

1981
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:24,560
In the bones, it helps with bone
density and muscles. 

1982
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:26,840
It helps with explosivity, 
strength and recovery. 

1983
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:28,360
It probably helps with 
fertility. 

1984
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:30,280
It's even been studied in high 
risk pregnancy. 

1985
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:32,960
So creatine is just kind of an 
energy intermediate, an energy 

1986
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:35,240
currency in the human body. 
And getting enough of it is 

1987
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:37,480
critical. 
Your question is very astute. 

1988
01:30:37,480 --> 01:30:39,600
Most of us don't get enough of 
it in our diet. 

1989
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:44,600
So even if I eat 2 lbs of meat 
per day, I may not be getting 

1990
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,600
enough creatine. 
And very few people eat 2 lbs of

1991
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:50,440
meat per day. 
And most women especially don't 

1992
01:30:50,440 --> 01:30:53,040
eat 2 lbs of meat per day or 
even a pound of meat per day. 

1993
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:57,040
And so the amount of creatine 
that's optimal for humans is. 

1994
01:30:57,440 --> 01:30:58,800
It's probably depends on a few 
things. 

1995
01:30:58,800 --> 01:30:59,960
What are you thinking about it 
for? 

1996
01:30:59,960 --> 01:31:03,080
But there's really good studies 
that most people benefit from 5 

1997
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:04,920
grams a day of creatine 
monohydrate. 

1998
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:07,880
There are two main forms, 
creatine HCL and creatine 

1999
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:10,720
monohydrate. 
Monohydrate is the most studied 

2000
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:14,680
form of creatine. 
It's very effective, it's very 

2001
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:18,400
affordable, and it works well. 
The side effect with monohydrate

2002
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:21,080
sometimes is GI stuff for some 
people, or a little bit of 

2003
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:22,800
bloating or maybe some water 
retention. 

2004
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:24,320
I don't get it. 
Some people get it. 

2005
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:26,920
If you get side effects with 
creatine monohydrate, use 

2006
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:30,480
creatine HCL. 
If you use creatine HCL, it's a 

2007
01:31:30,480 --> 01:31:33,080
much lower dose. 
Creatine HCL is much more 

2008
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:35,720
bioavailable than creatine 
monohydrate. 

2009
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:38,320
We make a creatine monohydrate 
at lineage because it's 

2010
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:41,520
affordable, it's very pure, and 
it's very well studied. 

2011
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:44,400
But I think some people will do 
better with creatine HCL. 

2012
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:47,280
You don't tend to get the same 
GI side effects and because it's

2013
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:50,600
AHCL and not a monohydrate form,
it doesn't have the same sort of

2014
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:54,600
water like retention properties.
Maybe now most of us it's 

2015
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:57,840
beneficial to have hydration in 
our muscles, but some people 

2016
01:31:57,920 --> 01:31:59,640
don't like the way it feels or 
it bothers them. 

2017
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:02,880
But 5 grams a day is probably a 
starting dose for most people. 

2018
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:04,640
But there are studies in bone 
density. 

2019
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:09,240
So I think about this for my mom
who's 74 osteopenia, she's no, 

2020
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:11,800
she's not getting enough 
creatine like mom, I sent her 

2021
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:14,080
some lineage creatine. 
Mom, you need 10 grams of 

2022
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:17,160
creatine per day at least I 
don't want her to fall and break

2023
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:20,080
a hip. 
She loves to walk and then doses

2024
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:22,680
up to 20 grams have been studied
for the brain. 

2025
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:26,120
So there is the blood brain 
barrier and creatine doesn't 

2026
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:28,240
pass through the blood brain 
barrier very easily. 

2027
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:31,040
So you have to get high doses of
creatine to get it into the 

2028
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:32,640
brain. 
And especially in like sleep 

2029
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:36,680
deprivation or other sort of 
brain stress states, 20 grams of

2030
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:38,400
creatine monohydrate might be 
beneficial a day. 

2031
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:42,320
So if I'm travelling or I'm in a
situation where I haven't slept 

2032
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:45,760
well, I might up my creatine. 
I take 5 to 10 grams a day, but 

2033
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:48,560
I might go up to 20 if I really 
need that, like extra boost. 

2034
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:50,080
Yeah. 
So yeah, creatine is kind of a 

2035
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:53,040
no brainer. 
It's essentially A tasteless 

2036
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:54,840
powder. 
Like I said, it's very 

2037
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:57,400
affordable, super safe. 
There are some myths about it 

2038
01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:00,240
that will cause like kidney 
issues or any of these things. 

2039
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:01,440
It doesn't do any of this stuff.
It's super. 

2040
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:02,440
Safe. 
I love creatine. 

2041
01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:05,120
I've been taking 5 grams a day. 
I feel like even with that I 

2042
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:06,560
noticed a difference in mental 
clarity. 

2043
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:09,160
Oh yeah. 
Yeah, creatine is such a hack, 

2044
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:14,320
especially for women because I 
think guys most like growing up 

2045
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:16,520
when I was in in high school, I 
heard about creatine. 

2046
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:19,440
Most guys have heard about 
creatine within our upbringing 

2047
01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:22,560
because at some point most of us
thought about bodybuilding, 

2048
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:25,040
lifted a weight or did something
that brought us in the sphere of

2049
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:27,200
creatine. 
I feel like most women have 

2050
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:30,360
never heard of creatine and. 
Or we have and it's like 

2051
01:33:30,440 --> 01:33:31,720
something that's only for 
bodybuilding. 

2052
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:33,280
Don't do that. 
You'll get too muscular, right? 

2053
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:34,800
Yeah, so. 
No, it doesn't work like that. 

2054
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:37,680
No, there is so much potential 
for women to benefit from 

2055
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:41,040
creatine, like more than men, 
because men generally eat more 

2056
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:43,840
meat and we've heard about it 
and we've tried it at some 

2057
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:45,240
point. 
But yeah, women and creatine 

2058
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:48,040
like what an upgrade. 
Do you have to consume it pretty

2059
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:51,240
quickly once you pour it into 
water or pour it into your 

2060
01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:53,280
smoothie? 
I've heard something about that,

2061
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:56,240
that it kind of loses its 
effects if you wait too long. 

2062
01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:58,040
Once you like, mix it with 
something. 

2063
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:00,240
I think you would want it. 
You wouldn't want it to sit in a

2064
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:02,280
drink that you had all day. 
OK, Yeah, you'd want to. 

2065
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:03,840
Drink, but if you drink it 
within like 30 minutes. 

2066
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:04,720
You're fine. 
OK, fine. 

2067
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:06,680
Yeah, no. 
Problem it also absorbs so 

2068
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:09,080
easily into everything like you 
don't even need the frother you 

2069
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:10,640
can just do a quick like stir 
it's. 

2070
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:12,040
It's a magical thing. 
Yeah. 

2071
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:14,560
It's a magical substance. 
It's it like blends. 

2072
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:15,800
It mixes. 
Yeah. 

2073
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:17,200
Yeah. 
Doesn't taste much. 

2074
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:19,040
You can put it. 
I mean, I can put it in 

2075
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:20,480
smoothies for my niece and 
nephew. 

2076
01:34:20,480 --> 01:34:23,040
I've given it to like, you know,
5 year olds and seven-year olds 

2077
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:24,160
and. 
Yeah, I love it. 

2078
01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:25,520
I've been taking your stuff. 
That's great. 

2079
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:26,320
Oh, great. 
Yeah. 

2080
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:28,760
So out of everything we've 
talked about, for anyone who 

2081
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:32,360
maybe lives like in a city, 
don't have access to nature or 

2082
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:34,760
they're just kind of like busy, 
overwhelmed, we have a lot of 

2083
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:37,440
moms in our audience. 
Like what would you say or 

2084
01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:41,560
encourage people to do as like a
you could just wave your magic 

2085
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:44,400
wand and have people implement 
like two or three things from 

2086
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:46,520
our conversation today into 
their lives. 

2087
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:49,240
What would you say? 
So I think it's like, start with

2088
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:52,680
food, improve the food quality, 
right? 

2089
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:56,160
Stop counting calories. 
So stop counting calories, start

2090
01:34:56,160 --> 01:35:00,520
thinking about food quality. 
Imagine if we had, we could keep

2091
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:02,680
the calorie label on food. 
But I want something that gives 

2092
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:05,560
you a 1 to 10 score of food 
quality, right? 

2093
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:09,240
So a David Barr gets a one and a
steak gets a 10. 

2094
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:13,440
I'm trying Snickers bar get. 
A Snickers bar gets a .5 you. 

2095
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:15,120
Know I thought you're gonna say 
negative sound. 

2096
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:18,320
A Snickers bar gets a .5 or a 
zero, right? 

2097
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:21,440
But you know, like Tufts made 
this crazy food pyramid type of 

2098
01:35:21,440 --> 01:35:24,800
thing, this food compass and 
they were saying, they were 

2099
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:28,040
saying Fruit Loops and Lucky 
Charms or Cheerios have more 

2100
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:31,880
value than steak or then eggs, 
whatever, like. 

2101
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:35,800
I did the Kellogg's there. 
So back on the back in the day 

2102
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,400
on Kellogg's boxes, they had the
Kellogg's cereal diet. 

2103
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:42,200
You literally were supposed to 
eat 6 bowls of Kellogg's cereal.

2104
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:45,120
What a day. 
And I tried to do this. 

2105
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:47,160
It was impossible. 
Like there's, it's not 

2106
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:49,400
satiating. 
There's no way any human can do 

2107
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:51,480
that sustainably. 
So I was just thinking about 

2108
01:35:51,480 --> 01:35:56,160
that in the in the concept of 
like food or these like quote 

2109
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:59,320
restrictive diets, like some 
people might consider eating 

2110
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:02,400
animal based to be restrictive. 
Like to me, there's just so much

2111
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:05,200
there. 
There's like it's satiating, it 

2112
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:07,520
fills you up, You're not left 
wanting more, you're not left 

2113
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:10,920
hungry. 
Whereas these other like diets 

2114
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:13,160
that you know, all of us have 
kind of seen throughout the 

2115
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:15,240
years, like none of it is 
sustainable. 

2116
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:18,320
I was a vegan once, yeah, 15 
years ago, and I was always 

2117
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:21,800
hungry. 
And I think that yeah, satiety 

2118
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:24,640
is about micronutrient density. 
I don't think of animal based as

2119
01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:26,080
restrictive. 
I think of it as an intentional.

2120
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:30,120
And I think that unless we are 
intentional with our the foods 

2121
01:36:30,120 --> 01:36:32,960
we eat, we will never achieve 
our best health ever. 

2122
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:37,920
And so yes, mainstream culture 
may frame intentionality as 

2123
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:39,840
restrictive because you don't 
eat everything. 

2124
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:42,280
And I would say that's just 
completely, that's completely 

2125
01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:43,280
false. 
It's intentional. 

2126
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:45,320
The way that I talked about this
in the Carnivore Code, and I 

2127
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:48,440
still feel this way, is it's 
hard to call something 

2128
01:36:48,440 --> 01:36:51,320
restrictive when you eat the 
highest quality foods on the 

2129
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:53,920
planet. 
Historically, meat and fruit 

2130
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:55,680
were the food of kings and 
Queens. 

2131
01:36:56,160 --> 01:36:58,200
The peasants didn't get those 
foods right. 

2132
01:36:58,200 --> 01:37:02,720
Like they were relegated to oats
and meat, oats and grains and 

2133
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:06,600
bread and and beans. 
And those foods can serve a role

2134
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:09,360
in some diets if you want. 
But what did the royalty eat? 

2135
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:15,560
They ate steak and lamb and boar
and tables full of fruit and 

2136
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:17,680
honey. 
And that's the luscious. 

2137
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:21,280
Those are the most sought after 
foods by humans in our history. 

2138
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:23,240
Like you ask the Hansa, it's 
honey and meat. 

2139
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:25,560
That's not restrictive. 
It's not restrictive when you 

2140
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:28,440
get to eat the most nutrient 
rich foods that create the most 

2141
01:37:28,440 --> 01:37:30,640
health in humans on the planet. 
Like that's not restrictive. 

2142
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:33,920
That's just kind of, again, a 
psyop twisting it like, oh, you 

2143
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:35,720
should, you should. 
You don't eat Breyer's ice 

2144
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:37,080
cream, therefore you're 
restricting yourself. 

2145
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:39,400
Well, guess what? 
I also don't smoke cigarettes, 

2146
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:42,280
drink alcohol or do cocaine. 
Is that restrictive? 

2147
01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:44,400
Like no, it's intentional. 
I'm making good choices. 

2148
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:47,440
Yeah, that's a good. 
Comparison so but back to this 

2149
01:37:47,440 --> 01:37:51,240
idea of like someone living in a
city, I think stop counting 

2150
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:54,200
calories and think about things 
in terms of food quality and you

2151
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:57,880
don't have to eat animal based, 
but most women would benefit 

2152
01:37:57,880 --> 01:38:00,440
from eating more protein, 
whether it's from a protein, a 

2153
01:38:00,440 --> 01:38:02,560
good quality protein powder. 
We've got a great one in lineage

2154
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:05,560
meat snacks for convenience or 
just like steak and chicken and 

2155
01:38:05,560 --> 01:38:09,320
fish, like more protein, 1g of 
protein per pound of body weight

2156
01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:12,960
is ideal. 
And, and you can imagine like 

2157
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:15,320
maybe this will work for people.
It's the first time I've thought

2158
01:38:15,320 --> 01:38:17,640
about this on a podcast. 
Like if you pick up a food at 

2159
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:20,920
the grocery store, what food 
quality rating would you put on 

2160
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:22,000
it? 
You know, you get to choose like

2161
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:25,800
1 to 10. 
You pick up a package of, I 

2162
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:28,560
don't know, like protein candy. 
You're like, that's a three. 

2163
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:33,120
You just know, like a steak. 
Well, it's a 9 1/2 or A10, a 

2164
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:34,720
piece of lettuce. 
Well, it's probably like an 8. 

2165
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:36,280
It's a whole food. 
You know, it's hard to say that 

2166
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:39,440
that's not a high quality food, 
an onion, that's a high quality 

2167
01:38:39,440 --> 01:38:40,800
food. 
It's a, it's a, you know, like 

2168
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:43,200
certainly meat has more 
nutrients than an onion, but 

2169
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:45,120
it's, it's not processed. 
It should be A7 or an 8. 

2170
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:46,240
It should be a good high quality
food. 

2171
01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:49,560
And if you're only eating high 
quality foods, then you're going

2172
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:51,040
to do so much better. 
That's the first thing with 

2173
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:52,320
food. 
I, I try not to be dogmatic 

2174
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:54,080
about it. 
I think I was in the past with a

2175
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:55,880
carnivore diet, but it's going 
to be individual. 

2176
01:38:56,160 --> 01:38:59,200
But I think for men and women, 
eating more high quality food 

2177
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:02,040
and worrying less about calories
is the way forward. 

2178
01:39:02,480 --> 01:39:04,720
And in terms of lifestyle stuff,
we talked a lot about light on 

2179
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:06,760
this podcast. 
Don't fear the sun, even in a 

2180
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:09,520
city. 
Go outside, get real sunlight. 

2181
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:12,160
Don't get burned, but get real 
sunlight. 

2182
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:16,560
This is a nutrient. 
And I thought about this as this

2183
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:18,960
is whole light versus processed 
light, right? 

2184
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:20,640
So you're eating, you're eating 
whole food. 

2185
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:23,760
Versus junk food, yes, yeah, 
like junk light is junk food. 

2186
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:26,920
Junk light is junk food. 
So you have to eat whole food, 

2187
01:39:27,480 --> 01:39:28,560
then you have to get whole 
light. 

2188
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:30,480
It's just, it's another nutrient
that we need as humans. 

2189
01:39:30,480 --> 01:39:32,960
We've always evolved with this. 
And then, you know, moderate 

2190
01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:34,720
exercise, like, it doesn't have 
to be crazy. 

2191
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:38,920
It doesn't have to be CrossFit, 
you know, just moving your body 

2192
01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:41,000
outdoors. 
Like it's really that kind of 

2193
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:42,000
simple. 
And then the last piece is 

2194
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:43,600
probably just community and 
relationships. 

2195
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:46,040
Do those things. 
Your life will get better 

2196
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:48,120
easily. 
And it doesn't have to be 

2197
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:49,680
complex. 
It's, it's simple, but it's not 

2198
01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:50,240
easy. 
Yeah. 

2199
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:54,240
OK, I've been waiting the entire
podcast for this last part. 

2200
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:57,040
So exciting. 
We didn't send you this ahead of

2201
01:39:57,040 --> 01:40:01,440
time, OK, but we're going to do 
a fun Would you rather segment? 

2202
01:40:01,480 --> 01:40:02,880
OK, OK. 
Are you ready? 

2203
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:05,800
Yeah, Trum roll. 
Would you rather use a chemical 

2204
01:40:05,800 --> 01:40:09,880
spray sunscreen or eat a large 
order of fries from McDonald's? 

2205
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:17,440
This is impossible. 
I'm going to use the chemical 

2206
01:40:17,440 --> 01:40:19,080
spray sunscreen, but I'm going 
to do like this kind. 

2207
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:23,520
Of thing, OK, now you have full 
dose cloud cloud spray sunscreen

2208
01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:26,120
on you. 
I'm going to use the full 

2209
01:40:26,120 --> 01:40:27,320
sunscreen. 
I'm going to go jump in the 

2210
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:28,480
ocean immediately and wash it 
off. 

2211
01:40:28,480 --> 01:40:31,200
But I'm I'm not eating. 
I'm not eating the the the fries

2212
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:32,240
from my top. 
You guys are killing me. 

2213
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:36,400
That's impossible. 
Would you rather swim 500 meters

2214
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:40,320
in a chlorinated pool or shop at
Bath and Body Works for 30 

2215
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:43,880
minutes? 
Man, there's a lot of, there's a

2216
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:45,320
lot of chemicals in both of 
those. 

2217
01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:49,880
I cannot like I get a headache 
immediately when I go into Bath 

2218
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:52,080
and Body Works. 
I'm going to go 500 meters in a 

2219
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:54,920
pool and just smell like 
chlorine the rest of the day and

2220
01:40:54,920 --> 01:40:57,160
not be happy about it. 
My pool in Costa Rica is an 

2221
01:40:57,160 --> 01:40:58,800
ozone pool. 
That's awesome. 

2222
01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:00,640
Yeah, I'm not happy about that 
one either. 

2223
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:02,480
You're you're you're you're 
traumatizing me here. 

2224
01:41:02,680 --> 01:41:04,000
All right, well, we've got a few
more to get. 

2225
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:04,680
Oh, my gosh. 
Right. 

2226
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:07,680
So brace yourself, All right? 
Would you rather drink a glass 

2227
01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:11,240
of tap water or drink a glass of
almond milk? 

2228
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:17,160
It depends where the tap water's
from. 

2229
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:20,800
The worst place you're. 
Just making this Hardy awesome 

2230
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:27,200
if the almond milk has filtered 
water and just almonds. 

2231
01:41:27,200 --> 01:41:29,360
It doesn't. 
One of the horrible ones in 

2232
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:30,560
canola. 
Oil. 

2233
01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:33,840
All right then I'm drinking the 
tap water, but I'm not, I'm not 

2234
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:35,920
happy about it cuz you know, 
canola. 

2235
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:39,320
Some of the almond milks have 
canola oil, so I'm not. 

2236
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:40,960
Yeah, just I'm not happy about 
it. 

2237
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:42,440
Yeah. 
OK, got three more? 

2238
01:41:42,440 --> 01:41:43,040
All right. 
Wow. 

2239
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:47,960
Would you rather use a plastic 
cutting board to cut a a searing

2240
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:51,080
hot steak on? 
Why don't you guys go or? 

2241
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:59,360
Or use a non stick pan. 
None of these are easy. 

2242
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:06,840
No, there's no good option. 
Oh my gosh, I don't, I don't 

2243
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:09,160
even know. 
I think I would probably rather 

2244
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:11,920
use the non stick pan. 
I just the cutting boards drive 

2245
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:13,720
me crazy. 
I know that I'm eating the 

2246
01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:17,240
microplastics and if I'm it's a 
hot steak on the cutting board, 

2247
01:42:17,240 --> 01:42:20,600
I know it's going in there and 
I'm sure a pan isn't amazing, 

2248
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:24,080
but I, yeah, I just can't, I 
can't do the cutting board. 

2249
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:26,960
I think I would do the same 
thing because the pan it's the 

2250
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:29,360
most harmful if it's chipped in 
any way, right? 

2251
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:33,320
I would be like super careful to
not like not aggravate it. 

2252
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:35,720
Maybe just don't inhale it. 
Wear a mask. 

2253
01:42:36,360 --> 01:42:40,280
Yeah, yeah, neither put the fan.
On like a huge fan on the stove,

2254
01:42:40,280 --> 01:42:42,120
yeah. 
Would you rather use 

2255
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:45,480
conventional toothpaste every 
day for an entire month? 

2256
01:42:45,480 --> 01:42:49,520
No. 
Or eat Impossible meat every day

2257
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:52,040
for a week. 
Oh my God, these are so bad. 

2258
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:56,080
The conventional toothpaste 
kills me because I do not want 

2259
01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:58,520
that dose of fluoride. 
I just can't do it. 

2260
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:01,560
I would. 
I would not be happy about it, 

2261
01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:03,160
but I would eat impossible meat.
For what? 

2262
01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:05,960
Yeah, you would do the soy. 
I would do it. 

2263
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:08,120
I just, I can't do that much 
fluoride. 

2264
01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:08,800
I hate it. 
Wow. 

2265
01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:11,000
OK, yeah, I you caught me off 
guard. 

2266
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:12,600
I. 
Couldn't that would be so hard 

2267
01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:13,360
for me? 
Yeah. 

2268
01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:14,920
I mean, it's a month versus a 
week. 

2269
01:43:15,480 --> 01:43:16,880
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

2270
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:19,960
I mean, if you did the 
toothpaste, there is evidence 

2271
01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:22,560
that tamarind fruit actually 
decreases fluoride. 

2272
01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:26,360
Yeah, that fluoride excretion 
increases in humans when you eat

2273
01:43:26,360 --> 01:43:27,840
tamarind. 
So maybe I could do the 

2274
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:31,520
toothpaste and just jam on some 
some tamarind, yeah. 

2275
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:33,600
I don't know, like make tamarind
smoothies. 

2276
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:34,800
Yeah. 
Or going in your mouth. 

2277
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:39,000
Yeah. 
OK, would you rather use Tide 

2278
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:44,360
detergent on a load of laundry 
or eat a microwave TV dinner? 

2279
01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:49,600
Like this is the worst. 
I hate these things. 

2280
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:53,880
You know when I go to Airbnb's I
have to re wash the sheets 

2281
01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:56,800
because I hate tie detergent so 
much. 

2282
01:43:57,200 --> 01:44:01,880
I hate the smell but I think I 
would probably use the tie 

2283
01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:05,640
detergent before I would. 
With fabric softener sheets when

2284
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:07,760
it dries. 
I mean, you're killing me. 

2285
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:09,440
But I can't. 
I can't. 

2286
01:44:09,480 --> 01:44:11,280
I mean, I'd have to do the tie. 
I can't. 

2287
01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:14,040
I can't do it otherwise. 
You do the tide. 

2288
01:44:14,240 --> 01:44:16,280
I do the tide OK stuff through 
it. 

2289
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:19,760
Yeah, OK, That's all I've got. 
That was painful, you. 

2290
01:44:20,480 --> 01:44:23,160
Guys like I know you were like 
sweating like you guys. 

2291
01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:26,360
Thought hard about it. 
The worst things ever. 

2292
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:30,600
Like would you rather? 
How can we put Paul in the most 

2293
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:32,600
uncomfortable? 
Yes, position if. 

2294
01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:36,160
You had given me like, would you
rather, and this is this is I 

2295
01:44:36,160 --> 01:44:38,800
shouldn't even say this, like 
would you rather eat a piece of 

2296
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:41,120
poop from these sheets for 
anything? 

2297
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:42,760
I would rather eat the poop. 
Oh my God. 

2298
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:44,280
I would eat. 
I would eat poop. 

2299
01:44:44,360 --> 01:44:46,320
Would you really? 
Yeah, from any for any of those 

2300
01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:48,960
things that's frozen, Yeah, I 
mean, I would, yeah, hopefully I

2301
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:50,960
wouldn't get a parasite, but you
could probably. 

2302
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:53,040
Would. 
I don't know, I'd get rid of the

2303
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:56,320
parasite. 
I love it, Paul, thanks so much 

2304
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:57,200
for thank. 
You for having me? 

2305
01:44:57,560 --> 01:44:58,640
Yeah. 
This is so fun. 

2306
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:00,760
Great conversation. 
Where can people find you and 

2307
01:45:00,760 --> 01:45:02,000
keep up with everything you're 
doing? 

2308
01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:05,840
So everything is at Paul 
Saladino, MD, on all the socials

2309
01:45:06,040 --> 01:45:08,200
and lineages at 
lineageprovisions.com. 

2310
01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:09,680
Amazing. 
Thank you. 

2311
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:10,200
Yeah.