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Welcome to Grounded Wellness, 
your go to podcast for 

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simplified and trusted 
information on how to live a 

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more non-toxic and holistic 
life. 

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We're your hosts. 
I'm Bethany McDaniel, founder of

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Primarily Pure biohacking 
enthusiast and mom of three. 

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And I'm Courtney O'Connor, 
holistic esthetician with over 

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15 years experience in the 
healing power of touch and 

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holistic skin care rituals. 
A woman's intuition should never

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be overlooked or underestimated,
especially when it comes to 

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pregnancy and birth. 
That's why I'm so excited to 

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welcome our guest, Lindsay 
Neelis. 

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Lindsay is a widely renowned 
midwife in Southern California. 

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She uses a combination of 
ancestral wisdom along with her 

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own experience and expertise to 
hold space for birthing 

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experiences that are sacred and 
transformative. 

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In this episode, we discussed 
the importance of animal protein

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for a healthy mom and baby, why 
hospital births often lead to a 

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cascade of interventions and 
healing from birth trauma. 

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Lindsay will forever change your
outlook on birth. 

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Let's dig in. 
Hello, and welcome to another 

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episode of Grounded Wellness. 
We are here at the farm set. 

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We're barefoot, we're grounding,
we're drinking liver smoothies, 

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doing all the things. 
And we have Lindsay Meelas here.

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We are going to have a 
conversation all about 

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pregnancy, birth and postpartum.
And you are the perfect person 

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to have it with. 
So thank you so much for being 

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here today. 
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Thank you, guys. 
So good to be here with both of 

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you. 
I'm really honored. 

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Okay, we're gonna jump right 
into it. 

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We know that fertility rates are
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right now in the US. 
They have been for several 

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years. 
What in your opinion are the 

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biggest contributors to this all
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realize how staggering these 
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So what's estimated right now is
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increasing at about 1% per year.
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that out, it's really not that 
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If we really go by that 
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of fertility for our children, 
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If we look at our grandparents, 
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generation, our birth rate is 
50% lower right now in 2024 than

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it was during the boomer 
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We can look at the statistics 
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a 25% drop in birth rates just 
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So these are very concerning. 
We have to look at all the 

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different factors that factor 
into this because we know right 

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now that 25% of women are 
burdened with PCOS, which is one

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of the leading causes of 
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We know that 25% of men under 
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with erectile dysfunction. 
So many of these things are 

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contributing to us being able to
not get pregnant. 

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First things first, let's look 
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Microplastics are talked about 
so much right now in the in the 

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news and all of the health 
podcasts that we're listening 

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to. 
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really understand the magnitude 
of why these microplastics are 

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affecting us so much. 
So the inception of using 

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plastic in our industrialized 
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There's 8 billion metric tons of
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our air and our soil right now. 
For placentas that are being 

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tested right now, it's 100% of 
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microplastics in that. 100%. 
100% in these research studies 

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across the board, not just one 
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microplastics in the umbilical 
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We're finding microplastics now 
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They estimate that .5% of our 
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microplastics. 
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Microplastics create a chemical 
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cause an excessive estrogen. 
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testosterone rates, the average 
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same testosterone rate of a 70 
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This isn't that long ago you 
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All of these implications are 
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fertility. 
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these different like LG's that 
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rid of the micro plastics and 
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And there's like the human 
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There's an island floating 
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I don't know how big it is, but 
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It's just made-up of plastic. 
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these plastics out. 
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is what we're spraying on our 
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So we use chemicals in our foods
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be in hazmat suits as they're 
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OK, if someones in a hazmat 
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consumption? 
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chemical that most of the world 
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We buy most of it from China and
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and it creates a Zeno effect 
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the testosterone and creates 
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So we know now that the 
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has gone down our grandparents. 
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from 12 to 15 years for 
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When we get our periods, the 
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When we look at it now, the 
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old. 
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teachers that have to keep 
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classroom in case they have 
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is a period from 
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These statistics are horrifying.
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increase of developing breast 
cancer opposed to someone who 

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starts their period after the 
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Gosh, that's not good. 
Because of all the excess 

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estrogen. 
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estrogen, we know that these 
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obesity problems. 
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likely to have type 2 diabetes 
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state. 
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we need to move away from all of
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We need to move away from the 
conventional food industry. 

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Right now it's really in the 
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A lot of people are talking 
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We are one of the unhealthiest 
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that the World Health isn't even
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But the United States has no 
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Every year there's 70 billion 
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sprayed all over the food 
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So we need to make sure that we 
start changing and selecting 

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with our pocketbooks what's most
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for our children. 
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bought right now with food 
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Pepsis, the Cokes. 
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was clean, didn't use seed oils,
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So we have these different 
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comes in like a big Pepsi 
whoever and has a $2 billion 

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check that they present. 
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can still keep all of our salt, 
small sustainable foods intact 

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for our children. 
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is from a farmer's market. 
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transportation of citrus fruits 
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vitamin C potency if it's driven
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We know that just the sun of 
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codes that are specific to where
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bodies from eating the locally 
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So there's so many different 
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But First things first, let's 
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We need to look at organizations
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We need to look at Robert F 
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coming out right now. 
Callie and Casey Means are 

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speaking out about this. 
These are the people that we 

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need to be turning to within our
administration to actually say 

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like, hey, let's make a change 
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And so, Lindsay, with the 
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pesticides being sprayed and all
the chemicals on our food, yeah,

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and obviously as well as seeping
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And soil health, which is what 
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on our regenerative farm. 
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More about the standard American
diet as a whole and how that's 

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impacting reproductive health so
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doctor Zach Bush talks so much 
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yes. 
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40 to 60 harvests left. 
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that we're going right now, with
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spraying in our foods and 
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the farming systems, 40 to 60 
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So what we need to do is get 
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We need to come up with creative
solutions, which so many people 

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are doing right now. 
And if we bring back all of 

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those minerals into our soil, 
then what's going to happen is 

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those minerals are going to come
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opposed to the standard American
diet, which really is just 

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eating out of a box. 
Nothing's alive. 

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It's full of chemicals. 
And so, you know, bring our kids

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to places like this, like let 
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soil. 
Let them understand that like 

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the food actually comes from 
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they have to tend the soil. 
They have to water the the soil.

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They have to water all of the 
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They have to, you know, till the
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There's a whole piece that's 
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children that don't even know 
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Yeah, you touch on some kids 
food and, you know, that happens

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to maybe a lot of the food that 
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Is this dead food that you're 
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Yes, I may get judged about this
by some people, but there are so

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many foods that I do not allow 
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And I don't see that as extreme 
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food. 
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So in my opinion, like I the 
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What kids and what people are 
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Like, my view of what food is 
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I was a kid, but it's seen as 
extreme to stay away from these 

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like food like products by the 
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that's just what we've become so
accustomed to, which is really 

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sad, I think. 
It's so sad. 

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It's so sad. 
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it. 
So I have teenagers and so I can

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see like there's only so much I 
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Like if they're at a friend's 
house, I can't control what 

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they're eating. 
If they're out riding their 

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bikes, I can't control what 
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defiant to find their sense of 
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So what I found is that both my 
teenagers, they were both raised

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organic. 
They were both both breastfed 

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for a very long time. 
They were, you know, they had 

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the foundations of this optimal 
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And now that they're out in the 
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like, how do I find my own 
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And I always say, you're so 
lucky you had the foundation of 

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good health in your early years.
And I know they'll come back to 

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it. 
You know what I mean? 

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Like, yes, they'll probably get 
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house. 
But when they come home, we make

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our own food. 
We sit around the dinner table 

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together and they still have 
that foundation that's there and

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hopefully that foundation will 
continue to follow through into 

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their, you know, continuation of
the rest of their life into 

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their own families and and 
hopefully into their children's 

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lives as well. 
So I want to talk about other 

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harmful chemicals that we need 
to really look at. 

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And you know, this is a shameful
plug for your company because we

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know that what we put on our 
skin is something that's really 

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important that we look at as 
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We know the VO, CS and air 
freshener in our fabric softener

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in perfume are all huge 
endocrine disruptors. 

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So not are we just looking at 
our soils, our foods, reducing 

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the amount of plastics, what's 
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what's going on our bodies. 
And I think that's just a really

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important piece to weave in to 
making sure that people 

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understand that's a huge piece 
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One of our functions of our skin
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And so it truly, it does impact 
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What research shows is that 

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children are actually 30% more 
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fragrances because they're 
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them as fast as adults do. 
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all of those fragrances and bad 
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onto our skin, all the shampoos,
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thing to make sure that we weave
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these toxins and it can feel 
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going to be beneficial. 
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whatever pace you're able to, 
whatever pace feels comfortable.

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the more you know what you can 

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tackle and, and what you can 
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time being. 
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eventually, it's hard nowadays 
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toxins everywhere and so little 
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this stuff. 
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and also from this place of 
taking ownership of your future,

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ownership of your health, 
ownership of your Children's 

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Health. 
Like you do have a say. 

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We all have a say. 
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about animal based protein 

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because I know you're big on 
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It's something that I'm 

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passionate about. 
Yeah. 

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What do you see as being the 
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preconception and pregnancy? 
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health. 
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for the baby's health, but it's 
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that needs to continue. 
We need to be healthy for the 

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rest of her life to raise these 
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And so we have to think of it as
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of something that we talked 
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either in preconception or in 
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is all of the amino acids, it's 
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everything that's coming in in a
dense state. 

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So we're not getting all of 
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are in a box. 
We're actually getting nutrient 

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dense foods that go into the 
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weeks. 
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double s during that time in 
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blood at postpartum. 
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sustained nutrition, if we don't
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are in place, moms are going to 
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prevents so much of nowadays, I 
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iron shortages because women are
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because we're not getting those 
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Our soils are so depleted of the
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through our Cracker Jack boxes 
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We know that the fortified foods
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different sorts of vitamins that
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majority of the population. 
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general population promotes 
folic acid, and what we really 

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folate from food. 
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that first trimester to minimize
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should be from a methylated 
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Most people have never even 
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folate is, but it's a food 
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It's not something that's 
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laboratory. 
So one of my favorite studies 

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that came out with protein was 
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His name was Doctor Brewer. 
If you've ever taken a Bradley 

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childbirth class, Doctor Brewer 
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many of these women were having 
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Preeclampsia is a condition in 
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dysfunction within the liver, 
but then we start to see blood 

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pressures go up. 
So if a blood pressure goes up 

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prenatally, then that can be 
many different risk factors to 

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mom. 
Seizures. 

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It's restricted fetal growth. 
I mean, we usually if moms start

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to have high blood pressure, we 
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those babies out. 
It's not a healthy foundation 

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for baby to continue to grow. 
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pregnant, these babies are 
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And what Doctor Brewer noticed 
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cheapest protein in. 
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dairy. 
Like, they could take their food

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stamps and go get a gallon of 
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cheeses and some cottage 
cheeses. 

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What Doctor Brewer's research 
showed is that just by getting a

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minimal of 80 to 120 grams of 
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25,000 women. 
Not one of them had 

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preeclampsia. 
Not one of them. 

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I'm like on the edge of my seat 
right now because I have a good 

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friend that has had preeclampsia
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she's on this journey now of 
like she was told might not be a

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good idea to have more kids. 
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And she's, I think she's kind of
found some of what you're 

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describing in her own research 
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But that's just so fascinating. 
So protein. 

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Protein. 
So protein is like the biggest 

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piece of the puzzle. 
But like if somebody comes to me

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and they're like, I had 
hypertension, I had preeclampsia

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last pregnancy. 
They're my favorite. 

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I'm like, oh, this is amazing. 
Yeah. 

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This is what we're going to 
start with. 

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Like you need to make sure that 
once you're feeling better out 

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of the first trimester, because 
I'm also realistic. 

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I understand that women, if I 
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protein in the first trimester, 
most of them look at me like, 

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you're insane. 
So once you start feeling 

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better, we're going to start 
prioritizing nutrient dense 

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protein foods throughout the 
rest of your pregnancy. 

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We need to do a food journal. 
What are you just what are you 

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eating right now on a regular 
basis? 

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I don't want you to add more 
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And I want you to see what your 
daily average is right now for 

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proteins. 
If you're 50 grams of protein 

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per day, we're going to have to 
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that you get that protein number
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Once we get that protein number 
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what's supporting your liver. 
There's tons of herbs that we 

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can use that are so simple to 
acquire that can support your 

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liver throughout the pregnancy. 
And what does that have to do 

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with preeclampsia? 
So what that has to do with 

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preeclampsia is it actually 
keeps the liver in balance? 

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The liver gets very taxed in 
pregnancy. 

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So if we're getting enough 
protein, we're keeping the liver

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happy, it's functioning, The 
gallbladder is functioning well.

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The biles in the gallbladder are
functioning well. 

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All of everything's moving 
through all the duct system, the

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liver, all of that filtration 
system, because our bodies know 

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that we want to make sure that 
we're filtering things out to 

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keep our babies healthy. 
So if we're supporting our 

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liver, then our body's going to 
be operating in a much more 

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synergistic way, OK. 
So just overall that's important

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during pregnancy. 
Overall, for everybody, it's 

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really important. 
Another thing is salt. 

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Why my salt? 
Yeah, I was going to ask you 

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about that. 
Yes, So the easiest thing I 

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could go to literally a village 
and one of the poorest places in

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the world and bring salt and it 
would change the outcomes of 

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their pregnancy. 
I have a really good friend that

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works in Bali, in Indonesia, and
she's like Lindsay, like 

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sometimes all they can eat per 
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That's all their family can 
afford. 

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And she's done this amazing 
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We're behind her birth center. 
She's made this regenerative 

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farm and people can come and 
garden and they can get free 

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vegetables and herbs and you 
know, they can take whatever 

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protein that they can to sustain
them with that their family 

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can't afford. 
But salt, salt so easy. 

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It's so simple. 
And I'm not talking Morton's 

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table salt, that's junk, that's 
iodized junk. 

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I'm talking sea salt, the pink 
Himalayan salt. 

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I know there's all these new 
things right now online with 

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what salts best and what, but 
like if you have food stamps, go

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to the store and get sea salt. 
Like I don't care what the brand

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is, it's going to be better than
nothing. 

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If you, if you can be picky with
your sea salt, then go ahead and

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find the best one. 
I love Icelandic salt. 

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It's one of the best ones out 
there. 

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I've been to Iceland. 
I see the quality of everything 

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there, but it's so simple, like 
like a minimum of 80 to 100 

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grams of protein every single 
day. 

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Make sure you're getting enough 
salt in. 

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You can put a little bit of salt
in every glass of water that you

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drink. 
You don't want it to taste like 

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salt water it. 
Just gives you those minerals 

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for that time. 
Being that's exactly what my 

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friend is doing. 
More protein and more salt and 

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minerals. 
So simple. 

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It was posted on I will I. 
Will. 

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She'll do fine. 
She'll do fine. 

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So what we know is that by 
increasing our protein intake, 

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just making sure that that 
simple thing, there's going to 

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be an increase with the blood 
volume. 

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If the blood volume increases at
an optimal range that 50%, that 

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doubling of the blood volume, 
the placenta is going to 

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function at a much better place.
This means that it's going to be

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a huge reduction, not just as 
with the preeclampsia and all 

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these things we've just talked 
about. 

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This is going to be a healthier 
baby. 

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The the Brewer babies are 
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These are healthy, sustainable 
babies. 

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Now, we don't want a 12 LB baby.
That's metabolic dysfunction. 

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That means mom hasn't regulated 
her blood sugar throughout the 

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pregnancy. 
But these good, you know, Hardy 

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8 LB babies, that tells me right
away that moms had good 

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nutrition throughout the 
pregnancy. 

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What differences have you seen 
in the placenta and how the 

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placenta looks in moms that eat 
meat versus moms that don't? 

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So I had a, a viral video that 
went out that was comparing I, I

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was recording one day and I just
happened to have a client that 

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was vegetarian for most of her 
life. 

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She was vegetarian throughout 
most of her pregnancy pregnancy 

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until she started craving meat, 
which I encouraged her, but then

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her her iron levels dropped 
significantly. 

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So I said if you can just do one
thing, let's just start getting 

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in some beef organs. 
Let's just start getting some 

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liver into your diet every 
single day. 

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So by the third trimester she 
was consuming about 6 liver 

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capsules per day. 
Of desiccated. 

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Of desiccated liver. 
And I was. 

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Going to say that's a big leap 
to go from vegetarian to, like, 

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actually, yeah. 
No, she was liver in the 

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capsules and so we got her iron 
levels up, which was really 

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great, but she had a basically a
lifetime of being depleted from 

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these all of these different 
minerals that are in a more 

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plant or a more carnivore based 
diet. 

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So what happened was she gave 
birth and she had this placenta 

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and while she did have the liver
capsules at the end, she there 

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was a lot of calcification. 
It didn't look as healthy 

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compared to the other mom that 
gave birth. 

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It was like full carnivore and 
eating, you know, 80 to 100 

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grams of protein every single 
day, which was thick and the 

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color was different. 
It was like more robust deep 

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red. 
It was more robust. 

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You could see side by side that 
these placentas looked 

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different. 
And so, you know, I, I hated the

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controversy that came from it 
because it, it did seem 

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dogmatic. 
Like it felt like in the snips, 

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it was me saying like, if you 
eat vegetarian, this is what 

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your plus on is going to come 
out looking like. 

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And if you eat meat based, this 
is what your plus on is going to

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come out looking like. 
No, There's variables in every 

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single thing that we do. 
We have to make sure that we 

455
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,480
take dogma out of everything. 
There has to be a place where we

456
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,080
can have conversations like 
this. 

457
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,360
It's part of a critical. 
Thinking and still take that 

458
00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:03,200
insight and learn from it and 
not letting like the emotional 

459
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,440
aspect of it kind of like blind 
you to certain reality. 

460
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,640
And I think that the problem is,
is that people do get so 

461
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,520
emotional because then they 
think they've done harm to their

462
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,000
kids. 
And so you, you like, that's not

463
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,840
what we're saying. 
We're saying let's do better. 

464
00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:19,080
Like, let's look at this as a 
place of like total neutrality 

465
00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:22,280
and say, let's do better for our
for our family, for our 

466
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,000
children. 
Let's do better for ourselves. 

467
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,880
Let's make sure that we're not 
minerally depleted for our next 

468
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,520
pregnancy. 
There was a study that came out 

469
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,440
that looked at different movie 
stars and I thought this was so 

470
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,160
funny. 
And usually the best looking 

471
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,680
child in the family was the 
first born and is because mom 

472
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,000
had way more nutrients, way more
minerals. 

473
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,760
There was a there wasn't this 
like depletion that happens from

474
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,440
pregnancy to pregnancy to 
pregnancy. 

475
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,520
It was like the prime before she
continued on and you could see 

476
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,480
the difference in the draw 
structure. 

477
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,440
You could see the difference in 
just their overall glow. 

478
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,280
And I was like, that makes so 
much sense. 

479
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,600
So interesting. 
Yeah, One thing I don't 

480
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,800
understand. 
It is why so many women have 

481
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,840
meat aversions during pregnancy 
if it's such a critical 

482
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,160
nutrient. 
I know for myself, I craved meat

483
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,080
so intensely, and if I didn't 
have enough animal protein 

484
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,640
consistently, that's when I 
would start to get nauseous and 

485
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,680
that's when I would start to 
just feel crummy and have low 

486
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,720
energy. 
But I know that's not 

487
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,760
necessarily the norm. 
Can you speak to that? 

488
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,800
And can I ask a piggyback 
question on that too? 

489
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,600
Yes, like the one side of the 
aversion. 

490
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,160
And then you also just mentioned
you had a vegetarian client who 

491
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,040
then started craving meat. 
So speaking to both sides. 

492
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,160
Yeah, So I usually see the 
aversions in first trimester. 

493
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,440
And I really truly think that 
first trimester is when 

494
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,320
everything is being built. 
So all of the essential organs, 

495
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,960
the brain, like everything is 
being built during that time. 

496
00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:48,240
So our body doesn't want us to 
be sick. 

497
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,080
Like, if if there was an 
invasion of something that came 

498
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,520
into our body, like some sort 
of, you know, foodborne 

499
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,000
pathogen, it would really 
dramatically affect our babies. 

500
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,600
And our bodies are smart to say 
in a sense that, like, we have 

501
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:05,600
aversions to most things during 
the first trimester because it 

502
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,400
just kind of keeps us safe, in 
my opinion. 

503
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,960
That's what I've seen. 
That's what I've noticed. 

504
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,360
That's my own personal take on 
it. 

505
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,760
Once moms start to move out of 
that developmental phase out of 

506
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,120
the first trimester, I see the 
opposite. 

507
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:22,040
Like almost all of my clients 
are craving some sort of meat 

508
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,640
substance. 
It's like my own sister was a 

509
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,760
vegetarian for a very long 
period of time. 

510
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,480
And during her pregnancy, she 
was like, I'm like literally 

511
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,840
craving blood. 
Like I want to eat like red 

512
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,000
meat. 
Like I can't even describe it. 

513
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,000
And I was like, go get it. 
And she lives in Sweden. 

514
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,720
So like, she has this ability. 
They have moose everywhere. 

515
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,080
So like, they went and filled 
their whole freezer with moose. 

516
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,200
And so I just think that the 
more that we listen to 

517
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,680
ourselves. 
But you are right. 

518
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,040
Like if you are really paying 
attention to your body instead 

519
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,280
of like going to grab the bagel 
and like get the carb where your

520
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,160
sugar spike really really fast, 
then you get the crash and you 

521
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,000
feel like crap. 
Again, sometimes I would crave 

522
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,680
those, those sugary, you know, 
more carbohydrate rich foods. 

523
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,360
And whenever I would give in to 
those cravings is when I would 

524
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:09,480
feel the worst. 
I were very vividly remember 

525
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,480
with my first pregnancy, I had a
muddy buddy craving. 

526
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:13,600
Do you guys remember Muddy 
Buddies? 

527
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,520
It's also known as puppy child. 
Yeah. 

528
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,400
So like, I went to the store, I 
tried to like, find the 

529
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,400
healthiest versions of 
everything, but I made a whole 

530
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:25,080
big batch of Muddy Buddies and I
ate so much of it and I felt 

531
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,880
horrible. 
And I told myself, never again. 

532
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,080
I'm not going to listen to it. 
I'm not going. 

533
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,800
To listen, and the reason you 
did is because of the sugar 

534
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,520
spike. 
So you spike really high and 

535
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,120
then your body would be like, Oh
my gosh, that was not a complex 

536
00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:37,840
car. 
That was just really easy, fast 

537
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,280
sugar. 
Then you're going to dip really 

538
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,320
low and crash. 
Then when you're dipping, you 

539
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,640
just feel absolutely awful. 
So it's like, yeah, like, fine. 

540
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,520
Like listen to your body. 
If you're like really craving 

541
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,920
those things, make sure you're 
pairing it with a protein of 

542
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,360
some sort, like get like a beef 
stick or something that you can 

543
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:55,240
balance that with. 
I always say first trimester, if

544
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,840
you're trying to eat when you're
awake every two to three hours, 

545
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,480
your blood sugars will stabilize
so much that you usually don't 

546
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,200
end up with any of those crazy 
cravings. 

547
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,960
In our culture, if you look at 
the Hollywood culture, you look 

548
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,280
at most of the stars that are 
like on their Instagrams and 

549
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,760
they're like eating like the 
junkiest junk because they have 

550
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,600
an excuse to gain weight. 
And I remember Kim Kardashian's 

551
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,080
pregnancy, she posted this 
picture and she was in these 

552
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,840
clear heels and she was so 
swollen, like literally like her

553
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,560
like swelling was like coming 
over the like, straps on her 

554
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,440
shoes. 
And I remember saying to my 

555
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,080
husband, I'm like, oh, she has 
preeclampsia. 

556
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,840
She'll be induced. 
And he was like, stop being 

557
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,840
judgmental. 
And I was like, I'm not, I'm 

558
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,600
saying she has preeclampsia. 
She's really, really swollen and

559
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,360
she's not healthy. 
And like two days later she was 

560
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:42,480
like induced in the hospital for
preeclampsia. 

561
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,960
It's simple like don't eat junk,
prioritize your protein, get 

562
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,400
some salt, support your liver 
and you should have across the 

563
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,560
board really good results. 
25,000 people studied by doctor 

564
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,680
Brewer with not one incidence of
preeclampsia that's profound. 

565
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,280
It's. 
Amazing, everyone should know 

566
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,160
that, yes. 
What are your thoughts on raw 

567
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,200
foods during pregnancy? 
I consumed raw liver throughout 

568
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,400
two of my 3 pregnancies. 
Have really positive results 

569
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,040
with it, but I know that can be 
controversial, yeah. 

570
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,600
So as somebody that's like a 
healthcare provider, I wouldn't 

571
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,760
like get on anything that would 
be a wide recommendation and be 

572
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,280
like, everybody should go eat 
raw liver and raw fish and feel 

573
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,920
really good because everybody 
needs to make individual 

574
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,160
choices. 
You have to feel comfortable 

575
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,000
with what you're doing. 
So do I tell clients that are 

576
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,120
eating raw liver in their 
pregnancy just stop? 

577
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,400
Heck no. 
I think it's really good for 

578
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,080
them. 
Actually. 

579
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,400
If you look back to what our 
ancestors did, everything was 

580
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,960
locally sourced. 
My grandma grew up on a farm. 

581
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,120
She would go and milk her cow. 
She would drink the the milk 

582
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,360
right from the cow. 
Anything that was butchered was 

583
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,120
saved. 
Every part of that animal was 

584
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,240
eaten. 
The organ meats were like the 

585
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,240
most delicious, delicate part of
the whole system. 

586
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,880
Like they were prioritized for 
pregnant women because they knew

587
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,640
that they were the most nutrient
dense. 

588
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,080
And so you look at Japan, do you
think pregnant women stop eating

589
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,240
sushi in Japan? 
No, it's part of their diet. 

590
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,840
They have raw fish all the time.
They know the source of where 

591
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,160
it's coming from. 
They go to places or they bring 

592
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,280
it home from the sea markets 
that they you know, it's, it's 

593
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,840
it's good people that are 
bringing this fish home that 

594
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,000
they've trusted for the last 10 
years within their home. 

595
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,680
Would you go to like some round 
table sushi restaurant in the 

596
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:31,680
mall? 
No. 

597
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,160
You know, you want to make sure 
that no matter what you're 

598
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,160
putting in your mouth that it's 
from a good source. 

599
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,440
So with everything in life, 
there's going to be inherent 

600
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,040
risks and you have to be 
comfortable with those risks. 

601
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,120
You could get in a car and get 
in a car accident. 

602
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,560
Does that mean that you stopped 
driving? 

603
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,720
No. 
But when you take responsibility

604
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,640
for what you're doing in your 
life, then you get to go through

605
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,760
those inherent risks and see 
what's beneficial for you. 

606
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,680
Is that raw liver beneficial for
me? 

607
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,120
Yes, I'm willing to take that 
risk. 

608
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,320
And then you actually move away 
from what the Western medical 

609
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,440
model is, is of putting your 
trust in somebody else. 

610
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,880
You get to bring back that 
inherent trust to yourself, 

611
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,040
which I feel like is one of the 
most important things that we 

612
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,560
can be doing right now in 
medicine. 

613
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,400
Let's back up a little bit. 
I want to talk about your birth 

614
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,840
experience as a first time mom 
and how that influenced the rest

615
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,600
of your life and your career 
path. 

616
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,880
So when I got pregnant, I was 
young. 

617
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,520
I was 21 years old. 
I worked in a hospital setting. 

618
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,880
I chose what the standard 
hospital route was, not because 

619
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,200
I didn't have this desire within
me to have a natural birth. 

620
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,640
I did. 
I took childbirth classes. 

621
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,280
I really went outside of what 
the standard was at that time 

622
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,320
when I was with a standard 
Western medical Doctor Who 

623
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,480
practiced obstetrical medicine. 
When I was a day before my due 

624
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,720
date, he said that my baby was 
measuring too big. 

625
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,800
He put the fear in me that my 
baby might not be able to be 

626
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,600
born vaginally. 
At that point, I didn't really 

627
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,080
know any other difference, so I 
went along with the 

628
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,520
recommendation of being induced.
I had every medical intervention

629
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,160
you can imagine during this 
induction. 

630
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,640
We call it the cascade of 
interventions. 

631
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,760
So during this time I ended up 
with AC section after 18 hours 

632
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,880
of pitocin after my water was 
broken during my C-section. 

633
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,120
I had epidural anesthesia that 
wasn't placed properly so I 

634
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,920
actually felt most of my 
surgery. 

635
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:28,000
So I had an experience where I 
gave birth but in the same 

636
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,080
sentence. 
I also thought I was dying from 

637
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,000
the pain. 
I asked to be put to sleep. 

638
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,480
The doctors didn't believe me 
that I was feeling pain. 

639
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,480
Then they started pinching a 
part of my body, asking me where

640
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,760
it was, and I said the exact 
place that they were pinching. 

641
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,800
So as it came out of anesthesia,
obviously the most important 

642
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,080
thing was that I wanted to see 
my baby. 

643
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,840
I wanted to make sure that my 
baby was OK. 

644
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,920
But I had this deep underlying 
sense that something was wrong, 

645
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,960
and then I was robbed from an 
experience. 

646
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,480
It's a sacred rite of passage. 
There's no way around that. 

647
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,200
Any way that we look at it. 
There's gifts that are given 

648
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,120
during this process. 
There was just a quote recently 

649
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,600
that said during pregnancy we 
stretch, during birth we 

650
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,920
shatter, and during postpartum, 
we put all of the pieces back 

651
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,680
together. 
So in my postpartum, putting all

652
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,480
these pieces back together, I 
realized that in missing out 

653
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,760
from the sacred rite of passage 
with what was, I said stolen 

654
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:26,920
from me, I became a savior. 
I wanted to save everybody from 

655
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,880
having the same experience that 
I had. 

656
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,160
And I got into birth work within
a year after my daughter was 

657
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:34,920
born. 
I was a doula in the hospital. 

658
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,880
I had witnessed hundreds of 
doula hospital births. 

659
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,400
I became a lactation consultant.
I saw all thousands of babies 

660
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,040
that were in the hospital for 
breastfeeding problems. 

661
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,360
And what I realized is that you 
really can't save anybody. 

662
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,000
They have to want to find their 
strength within it. 

663
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,520
They want to, if they want to 
have those experiences, it has 

664
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,720
to be within themselves. 
And during that, I realized the 

665
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,200
best way to do that was provide 
a place for women to, to have 

666
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,320
the voice to do that, to have 
individualized care. 

667
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,000
And I became a midwife. 
So in the process of midwifery 

668
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,600
school, I got pregnant with my 
son. 

669
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,640
He was born at home and my 
Jacuzzi underneath the stars. 

670
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,680
And I had a completely different
story outside in the middle of 

671
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,840
summer. 
But both experiences were 

672
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,160
equally as important for me 
because had I not had the 

673
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,000
experience of my daughter, I 
wouldn't have even had the drive

674
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,600
to look into basically my whole 
life's dedication to women and, 

675
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,920
and every family that I serve. 
So it's really interesting, you 

676
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,280
know, at these sacred contracts,
we have to look at them and 

677
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,680
really take them for what they 
are and allow ourselves to be 

678
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,960
moved by what experiences we 
have. 

679
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,760
For anyone that's unfamiliar 
with the differences between a 

680
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,120
traditional OB and a midwife, 
can you kind of break that down 

681
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,400
for us? 
So it's different models of 

682
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,320
care. 
So the obstetrical model of care

683
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,000
is basically where they look at 
pregnancy as an emergency 

684
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,400
waiting to happen. 
So anytime that there, you know,

685
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,280
something comes up, it could be 
a potential emergency where the 

686
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,760
midwifery model of care really 
looks at pregnancy and birth as 

687
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,880
the most normal physiological 
process there is on the planet. 

688
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,880
We've done this for all of time.
We wouldn't be here as a species

689
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,320
of birth didn't work. 
And so we we have similar 

690
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,239
training in a sense. 
Obviously, I'm not a trained 

691
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,800
surgeon, although I can stitch 
very, very well and I can do 

692
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,800
things within a scope of 
practice that it's not involving

693
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,840
surgery. 
But we do have a lot of very 

694
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,800
similar skills. 
I don't have an anesthesiologist

695
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,040
at home. 
We're we're not providing any 

696
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,159
sort of medication for moms, any
sort of pain medications for 

697
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:34,719
moms. 
Although if a mom desires some 

698
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,880
sort of antibiotic for a 
positive status of Group B 

699
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,560
strep, we can provide stuff like
that. 

700
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:43,800
We have in most states, we have 
available to us anti hemorrhagic

701
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,960
medications which are to help 
minimize postpartum bleeding. 

702
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,080
Very rare that we have to use 
it, but it's something that 

703
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,000
we're so, so grateful that it's 
available to us if we ever 

704
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,400
needed to do that. 
We are able to provide the same 

705
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,840
level of care for normal low 
risk women. 

706
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,880
So if a normal low risk woman 
comes to me, I can see her 

707
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,080
throughout the entire pregnancy 
process without her ever having 

708
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,760
to facilitate care from a 
doctor. 

709
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,960
Obviously every state's going to
be a little bit different, but I

710
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,000
can draw labs in my office, I 
can refer for a diagnostic 

711
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,000
ultrasound if there's something 
that comes up that's maybe a 

712
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,440
different level of care. 
I can make referrals to maternal

713
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,400
fetal medicine doctors, which 
usually do Co care with me and 

714
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,600
try as hard as we can to keep 
those patients and care 

715
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,880
together, making informed 
decisions along the way. 

716
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,840
But you know, it's, it's pretty 
similar. 

717
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,320
Like I always say, I bring a 
basic labor and delivery room to

718
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,680
the home. 
I was just going to say that I 

719
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,000
think my midwife, Lisa Marie, 
you know, I love her, told me 

720
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,800
that, that they bring even, 
maybe it was even more equipment

721
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,160
into your home than they have in
a basic room in the hospital. 

722
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:51,040
Depending on what grade of 
hospital it is OK. 

723
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,480
Yeah, but that was just kind of 
like a light bulb for me because

724
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,840
I think a lot of people think of
midwifery and home births as 

725
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,720
this woo woo hippy dippy kind of
thing. 

726
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:03,560
But really there is a lot of 
medical components to it. 

727
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,440
And we're trained in normal 
physiological birth. 

728
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,640
If you were to ask most OB's if 
they've witnessed a normal non 

729
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,000
interventive physiological 
birth, chances are they would 

730
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,640
say no. 
So you know, when you look at, 

731
00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:21,240
if you look at like FEMA, like 
if there's a natural disaster, 

732
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,720
the people that should be 
writing the protocols for out of

733
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:25,800
hospital birth should be the 
midwives because they're 

734
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,640
experiencing normal 
physiological birth where isn't 

735
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,200
an emergency situation. 
And OB wouldn't even have access

736
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,760
to a lot of those tools that 
they use within the hospital 

737
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,960
setting. 
And so it brings it back to the 

738
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,920
basics time and time and time 
again. 

739
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,600
You just look back to the 
basics, which I think is what 

740
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,360
we're all trying to do with 
everything right now. 

741
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,120
Our food systems. 
Let's go back to the basics with

742
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,360
our air. 
Let's go back to the basics with

743
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,360
our water. 
Like let's take all all the crap

744
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,440
that we've put our water. 
Let's look at fluoride. 

745
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,760
I mean, we just had a recent 
ruling that says fluoride's bad 

746
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,720
for us. 
Yeah, of course it is. 

747
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:02,120
We've we've in the natural 
health world, we've been talking

748
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,480
about this forever. 
That's another thing that 

749
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,160
contributes to low testosterone,
right? 

750
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,800
Yeah, it's one. 
I mean, it also decreases your 

751
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,280
IQ. 
So we have to look at like, what

752
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,600
are we putting in our systems 
that we could so easily take out

753
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,480
that would make such a 
substantial difference with the 

754
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,120
health of the human race? 
Yeah. 

755
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,560
We have to really question all 
of these things that we have 

756
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:26,280
just taken as being normal and 
really evaluate like is this 

757
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,440
serving me and my family or is 
it not and make decisions. 

758
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,080
Based on that very simple 
question. 

759
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:33,800
Very simple question. 
Yeah, One thing I love about 

760
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:38,360
home births too, is that in the 
home setting, it's just so 

761
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,560
comfortable and peaceful and it 
really allows that natural 

762
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,080
physiological process that 
you're talking about to happen 

763
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,840
versus the hospital setting with
the fluorescent lights, the 

764
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,640
stranger noises, the strangers, 
the different people coming in 

765
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,600
and out. 
I mean, if, if you look at 

766
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,880
animals in the wild, like I've 
seen it plenty of times on the 

767
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,680
farm, they kind of just go 
somewhere private to give birth,

768
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,880
like away from all of the 
commotion. 

769
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:08,640
And I, I see like humans birth 
in the same regard is like I, I 

770
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,520
just kind of want to, every time
I've had a child and given 

771
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,160
birth, I just wanted privacy and
I've wanted to be, I've wanted a

772
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,600
peaceful, like the most peaceful
environment possible. 

773
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,520
And that has what has allowed 
that process to kind of flow 

774
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,360
naturally. 
And not that not to say that you

775
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,320
can't have a great birth 
experience in a hospital 

776
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,760
setting, but there's just a lot 
of things that are kind of set 

777
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,000
up against you. 
It's apples and oranges. 

778
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,800
I always say that like you can't
not say a natural birth in a 

779
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,080
hospital setting is the exact of
what a hospital or a natural 

780
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,600
birth would be in a home birth 
setting. 

781
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,760
It's 2 completely different 
things. 

782
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,160
You're stepping into somebody 
else's space. 

783
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,760
When you're in your own space, 
you're comfortable. 

784
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,560
It's where you Make Love. 
It's where you poop. 

785
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,400
Like these are like normal 
physiological functions that 

786
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,920
people don't think about. 
But birth is one of the most 

787
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,880
normal physiological things that
happened to us. 

788
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,560
So you have to think about if 
you were on a bed in a room with

789
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,240
fluorescent lights and there's 
people watching you, could you 

790
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,760
have an orgasm, you know, and so
and the sphincter muscle. 

791
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,160
Too like you can't in front of 
other. 

792
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,640
No, I mean if someone walked in 
and you were like going to the 

793
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,640
bathroom, you would 
automatically cinch up like this

794
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,240
cervix is a sphincter muscle, 
like it closes when you don't 

795
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:24,560
feel safe, so. 
What if you mentioned something 

796
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,120
before about how long? 
Like depending on how many extra

797
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,360
people are in the room, you can 
run a long labor by a certain 

798
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:31,600
amount of hours per person. 
Yeah. 

799
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:36,760
So one of my favorite OB's is a 
OB in France, and he grew up on 

800
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,600
a farm and his name's Michelle 
Odont. 

801
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,920
He's probably in his 90s now and
he says always in his French 

802
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,760
accent, for every extra person 
you have in your labor room, you

803
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,440
add an extra hour. 
And I say it for for a first 

804
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,200
time mom, it adds extra two 
hours for each extra personal 

805
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,720
room. 
And that is people that are 

806
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:55,400
observing you. 
If that doesn't include the the 

807
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,040
midwife team, like they're there
to help you, there's a purpose 

808
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,320
for them to be there. 
But for the observations, it 

809
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,400
definitely adds time to your 
labor for sure. 

810
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,800
And I really think too, it 
creates a lot of complications 

811
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,120
postpartum. 
Like I will never let a bunch of

812
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,280
people come into the room until 
the placenta is out. 

813
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,760
Like that's still part of birth.
Like we still have to protect 

814
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,400
that space. 
And if we don't protect that 

815
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,760
space, we're going to increase 
our risk of having postpartum 

816
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,280
hemorrhages. 
And one of the things that I 

817
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,600
know you have done for 
postpartum hemorrhages is you 

818
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,520
will give the mom a little bit 
of her own placenta to kind of 

819
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:26,760
chew on. 
Yeah. 

820
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,040
So it's, I mean, it's not for 
the faint at heart, but 

821
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,760
typically when a mom is bleeding
a lot, it's one of the best 

822
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,040
medicines that we have. 
I think our ancestors have 

823
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,320
probably used it for all the 
time. 

824
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,640
If we look at any mammal that 
gives birth, they eat their 

825
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,360
placenta. 
Once the placenta comes out, 

826
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,720
it's part of. 
How does that work and how does 

827
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:45,160
it stop the hemorrhaging? 
So it's from all it's, it's all 

828
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,280
of mom's natural hormones that 
are already, it's bioidentical 

829
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,040
hormones for moms. 
So it's full of oxytocin. 

830
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,200
Oxytocin is known to contract 
the uterus. 

831
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,760
It's full of iron, it's full of 
stem cells. 

832
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,120
All of these things will help 
contract the uterus down. 

833
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,360
I I told Courtney a story once 
of a client that had a 

834
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,400
complication of pregnancy. 
I sent her to the hospital. 

835
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,000
She didn't even know she was in 
labor. 

836
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,160
I was sending her in for blood 
work, for stop blood work and 

837
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:13,600
she got into the hospital. 
She was 9 centimeters. 

838
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,080
She gave birth like about 30 
minutes of after getting to the 

839
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,320
hospital. 
Her husband wasn't even in the 

840
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,240
room because everything happened
so fast. 

841
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,480
And the condition that I was 
worried about was actually true.

842
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,200
And she started hemorrhaging, 
like significantly hemorrhaging.

843
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,320
And she called me and she's 
like, I don't know what to do. 

844
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,720
Like, you know, like they're 
saying that like, I might have 

845
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:34,520
to go in for surgery. 
And I said, is your placenta 

846
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:35,520
out? 
Yes, it's out. 

847
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,360
I want you to take a piece of 
that placenta and put it in her 

848
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,800
mouth right now. 
And she said the staff looked at

849
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,240
her like she was like crazy. 
Like, like they had like she was

850
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:46,120
an alien or something, Like, oh,
I'm sure. 

851
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:49,320
But it stopped her bleeding. 
And then they were all like, Oh 

852
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,480
my gosh, like, wow, something 
like that happened. 

853
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,680
And I actually have a friend 
that's mom was in the hospital 

854
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,560
at that time. 
And she said, oh, that sounds 

855
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,520
like something Lindsay would do.
Was that one of your clients? 

856
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,160
I said yeah. 
And she said they actually 

857
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,120
talked about it for a while 
because they were all so blown 

858
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,240
away that the medicine and was 
actually right there. 

859
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,640
Wow, do a lot of your clients 
eat their placentas? 

860
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,280
They usually don't eat it raw 
and they'll usually do it in 

861
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,800
some sort of capacity, either 
with mixing it with the 

862
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,520
smoothie, which would be raw, or
they'll desiccate it and then 

863
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,560
they'll put it into capsules of 
some some sort. 

864
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,840
What about the tincture? 
Tinctures are great too. 

865
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,520
Yeah, kid preserves it for a lot
longer. 

866
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,760
This is such an exciting time to
have this conversation with the 

867
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,840
three of us here because 
Courtney is newly engaged. 

868
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,880
Yeah. 
And so and they want children. 

869
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,880
And so I feel like all of this 
stuff is probably, I mean, maybe

870
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,480
not quite like something that 
you're thinking about super 

871
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,560
deeply yet, but but maybe it is.
And you're also a doula. 

872
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,400
Like you have so much 
experience. 

873
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:50,720
We did that in his first doula 
immersion last year and Lindsay 

874
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:53,960
was my sister's midwife and so I
got to be present for that 

875
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,080
birth. 
Cool. 

876
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,360
There's so many connections like
with that and then with Lisa 

877
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,320
Marie and you being close 
friends, like very cool. 

878
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,080
What are some things? 
That are I we? 

879
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,840
Haven't even talked about this 
like offline yet, but I'm 

880
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,000
curious like where are you at 
with birth? 

881
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,400
What kind of a birth do you 
want? 

882
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,600
What are some things that you're
still kind of like wrestling 

883
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,360
with regarding birth? 
Honestly, you guys, before my 

884
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,480
sister had her baby in 2019, 
birth terrified me. 

885
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,200
Which I also think your message 
that you're sharing with the 

886
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,760
world and with women is so 
profound and powerful and we 

887
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:32,400
need to hear it because of this 
is a natural process for women. 

888
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,480
It's a divine process for women.
And I feel like we've been 

889
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,440
indoctrinated and ingrained with
this fear mongering mentality 

890
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,600
and seeing my sister go through 
a natural home, unmedicated 

891
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,720
birth. 
And then she made me watch this 

892
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:49,440
documentary by Ricki Lake called
The Business of Being Born 

893
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:50,560
Which. 
So good. 

894
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,640
Transformed my juice like that 
one. 

895
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,160
It's one. 
Of the midwives, so good. 

896
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,480
I watched it actually create a 
tidal wave in the birth world. 

897
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,600
Like it really shifted people's 
perception. 

898
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,680
That's. 
A good one completely shifted my

899
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:07,560
perception to birth is beautiful
women are that asked and our 

900
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,360
bodies were created and designed
to do this. 

901
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,720
And so then going through your 
doula training last December, it

902
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:19,200
really just opened my eyes even 
more to the beauty of birth and 

903
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,280
to really lean in and surrender 
and how you really take this 

904
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:26,000
holistic approach and how mental
it is and how emotional it is 

905
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,240
because I think physical pain 
has always been my worst fear. 

906
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,240
So birth, when I would think 
about becoming pregnant, I was 

907
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:34,880
like, oh shoot, there's only one
way out for this baby to get 

908
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:35,960
out. 
Like this baby has to come that 

909
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,040
one way or another. 
And that really scared me. 

910
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,880
And now just learning alongside 
of you and even being a part of 

911
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:46,080
the primary peer team and this 
holistic approach to living and 

912
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,800
all the resources and tools we 
have to optimize our experience 

913
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:56,240
and really surrender and just 
experience a really beautiful 

914
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:01,920
birth excites me. 
And I actually going through the

915
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,840
doula training program, I did 
realize as I was going to begin 

916
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,920
observing births that maybe 
birth doula is not my calling 

917
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,080
because the on call life is a 
bit like, bless you for being on

918
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,360
call. 
Like that is not for the faint 

919
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,880
of heart and like dropping 
everything in a minute to be by 

920
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,560
women's side. 
But I'm really drawn to the 

921
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,880
postpartum side and that 
recovery and replenishment and 

922
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,720
safety. 
Yes. 

923
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:28,480
And I feel like the 4th 
trimester is often overlooked. 

924
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,200
We there's such an emphasis on 
pregnancy and birth and labor. 

925
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,080
But the postpartum to to help 
that mom re establish that 

926
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,360
foundation for future children. 
And like what you were saying, 

927
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,600
like the first born has that 
those nutrient stores and that 

928
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,600
solid foundation. 
So wanting to maintain that 

929
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,280
first. 
I'm just deeply blessed by you, 

930
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,760
Lindsay, and this movement that 
you're really leading. 

931
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:54,080
And I think that more and more 
women are going to be blessed by

932
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:58,600
your message to to step into 
their power to feel embraced, 

933
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:03,160
embodied and empowered and like 
really tuning into that innate 

934
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,880
wisdom and that great grandma 
wisdom that you often talk 

935
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,440
about. 
And I feel like we're, we can 

936
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,840
live quite disconnected from the
generations before us. 

937
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,760
And I feel like reconnecting to 
our mothers, our grandmothers, 

938
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,520
and then thinking more. 
With our legacy and the children

939
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,280
that are going to come after us 
is really powerful perspective. 

940
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,280
Yeah. 
Yeah, I received that. 

941
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:21,480
Thank you. 
So beautiful. 

942
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,520
I'm very blessed by you. 
It's just such an honor to be 

943
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,360
sitting here with both of you 
guys and having this 

944
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,080
conversation. 
One of my prayers on the way and

945
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,720
driving to the farm was that 
this message is received by 

946
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:34,840
everybody that needs to hear it 
because I feel like this 

947
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,800
movement can really make a 
significant difference on the 

948
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,760
earth. 
Yes, I really think that we can 

949
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,600
bring everything back to like 
the roots and and get back to 

950
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,720
the the core of the essence of 
what human nature is, which is 

951
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:52,440
living simply like living by our
hearts and really being in the 

952
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,760
space of moving through these 
sacred rites of passage to give 

953
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,240
us the gifts that we need for 
each step of our life. 

954
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,680
There is a book you had us read 
in our duo training, and one of 

955
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,400
the quotes that stuck out with 
me was Peace on Earth Begins 

956
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,120
With Birth. 
Yeah, it's really stuck with me.

957
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:09,600
Lovely. 
That's really cool. 

958
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:10,600
Yeah. 
I love that. 

959
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,440
Yeah. 
I mean, having experienced birth

960
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,320
three Times Now, like natural 
home births, it has been such a 

961
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,120
transformative experience. 
Of course, every time in 

962
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,520
different ways. 
But I think the main thing, it's

963
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,160
really empowering. 
Like I always post birth just 

964
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:29,320
feel like so proud of, of what 
took place, like proud of 

965
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,960
myself, proud of the baby, the 
bond it creates between the two 

966
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,440
of us. 
It's like makes me want to cry 

967
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,600
just talking about it. 
Amazing. 

968
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:37,080
It's. 
Amazing. 

969
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,240
I have I have to read this. 
I I got a text message last 

970
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:45,840
night from a client that had has
had four babies and hold on. 

971
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,240
It came through like literally 
right before this. 

972
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,400
So looking at this baby nursing 
on my chest, I watched my birth 

973
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,840
videos again and again. 
I feel overwhelmed and in such 

974
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,240
deep gratitude. 
This birth healed parts of me 

975
00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:03,200
that I didn't even know we're 
broken. 

976
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,720
It ignited a fire with me that I
didn't know was there. 

977
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,840
Thank you for holding space and 
providing the guidance and care 

978
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,560
that gave us our story. 
This has truly changed my life. 

979
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,400
Forever. 
Wow, that's so perfectly said. 

980
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:17,880
Yeah. 
Yeah, that sums it all up. 

981
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,680
Yeah. 
Courtney touched on something 

982
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,480
that I've always been curious 
about with midwives. 

983
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,000
Yeah. 
So obviously you're, you're on 

984
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:33,080
call, you're having to, you 
know, work odd hours up all 

985
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:37,600
night, like all the time. 
How do you still take care of 

986
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,600
yourself and prioritize your own
health while showing up for moms

987
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,760
in that capacity? 
I think that this is like an 

988
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,760
ongoing question that I continue
to ask myself because it 

989
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,520
continually evolves. 
The average lifespan for a 

990
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,960
midwife to have a career is 7 
years. 

991
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:59,560
I'm going on 20, so I constantly
am needing to find what nurtures

992
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,280
me the most. 
One of the most important things

993
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,520
that I do for myself that I 
prioritize is AI try to 

994
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,360
prioritize always making dinner 
for my family when I'm home, I'm

995
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,160
sitting around a table with my 
family is one of the most 

996
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,200
important things for me. 
And the second is making sure 

997
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,920
that I get outside, then walk 
like, like, you know, get my 

998
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,360
steps in, as everybody says. 
But I, I, I have a beach path 

999
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,160
that I walk. 
I try to walk it every single 

1000
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,040
day. 
And doing that has made such a 

1001
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,880
significant, significant 
difference within my health. 

1002
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,080
It's it grounds me, it nurtures 
me. 

1003
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,040
I am able to breathe. 
I'm able to be in communion with

1004
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,760
God on those walks. 
Like it's just one of those 

1005
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,640
things that like, it's almost a 
non negotiable unless I'm out of

1006
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,280
birth. 
And if I'm out of birth I still 

1007
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,640
try to get outside and and walk 
if possible. 

1008
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,120
I'm the exact same way, walks 
are my jam and I have different 

1009
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,200
biohacking devices but out of 
everything if I could choose one

1010
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,040
thing it would be the walks. 
Yeah, I agree with you. 

1011
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,440
Yeah, I have all those mats and 
the lights and everything stuff.

1012
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,200
It's walking. 
It's walking. 

1013
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,400
There's there's research, if you
look at the CAT scans of of 

1014
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:07,600
women or of humans that prior to
a walk and then after a walk, 

1015
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,360
the parts of the brain that 
light up after a walk is like 

1016
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,320
mind blowing. 
You're like, how is that even 

1017
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,920
possible that it could make that
much of a difference? 

1018
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,200
But that's what we're meant for 
all the time. 

1019
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,240
We always were walking. 
You know, they say the average 

1020
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:23,320
steps for humans right now on 
the planet is 3500. 

1021
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,200
I probably would say that's in 
the United States because if you

1022
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:26,760
go to Europe and stuff, 
everybody walks. 

1023
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,360
But 3500 steps is nothing that's
sedentary. 

1024
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,720
The research shows that if 
you're walking more than 7500 

1025
00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:36,960
steps per day, you're reducing 
your risk of inflammatory 

1026
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:41,240
disease, of bad metabolic 
health, by 50%, 50%. 

1027
00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:42,960
That's so simple. 
So simple. 

1028
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,000
Back to the basics. 
Back to the basics. 

1029
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,760
I know we're running out of 
time, but I want to touch on 

1030
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,600
postpartum quickly. 
Yes, since it's something that 

1031
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,840
so many moms struggle with. 
What would you say to a mom 

1032
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,760
who's struggling with postpartum
depression or just healing 

1033
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,160
postpartum anything? 
Yeah, I think the biggest thing 

1034
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,480
is that we're a nuclear society,
so we've moved away from being 

1035
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,240
in community with all of our 
sisters and our aunties and our 

1036
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:07,680
grandmothers that would come and
help take care of us and take 

1037
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,320
care of our babies after we've 
had our baby. 

1038
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,560
Having a baby is a significant 
life changing event. 

1039
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,040
And So what we need to do is 
prepare ourselves with before we

1040
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,200
give birth, we need to find our 
community. 

1041
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,680
We need to find our tribe that 
can come and help nourish us. 

1042
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,640
If that's not an option, prepare
your foods beforehand. 

1043
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,040
Make sure that you have really 
nutrient dense foods that you 

1044
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,880
can get out of the freezer and 
pop in a pot, warm it up, and 

1045
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,720
then you have food for your 
family all day. 

1046
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:41,120
Making sure that you stay in a 
place of being not depleted is 

1047
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,880
huge. 
Making sure that even in between

1048
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,800
nursing or babies that you're 
prioritizing rest and not 

1049
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,640
running around like our Western 
society promotes. 

1050
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,320
I really, really like what 
Eastern cultures do. 

1051
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,320
It's 40 days in bed. 
Western culture. 

1052
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,760
There's moms that are outside 
running around doing errands. 

1053
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,240
At two days postpartum, we need 
to be in our houses. 

1054
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:04,960
I say 5 days in bed. 
That's non negotiable. 5 days in

1055
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:09,040
bed, five days around your 
bedroom, and then five days 

1056
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,920
around your house. 
If you give yourself two weeks 

1057
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,040
of rest and recovery, you're 
going to have a completely 

1058
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,040
different postpartum experience.
And the majority of people in 

1059
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,800
the western world, women need to
prioritize themselves. 

1060
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,360
When we are, we just gave birth,
we've just had a life 

1061
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,000
transformative event. 
We're bleeding, we're recovering

1062
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,360
from our bodies being stretched.
Remember what I said at birth, 

1063
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,680
you shatter and postpartum, you 
put those pieces back together. 

1064
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,800
So we need to be able to create 
a space where those pieces can 

1065
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,160
come back together. 
Yeah, it's so simple and so 

1066
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,040
powerful and yet so hard in our 
culture today. 

1067
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,440
Even for me, like knowing all of
this going into birth, it's 

1068
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:54,200
still a struggle just being 
still and like doing, doing much

1069
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,480
less during that time. 
But it is so important. 

1070
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,880
Yeah, it is the times that I've 
prioritized it more. 

1071
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,760
We feel so much better. 
Yeah, Lindsay, thank you so much

1072
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:04,880
for being here. 
This was such a treat. 

1073
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,440
Where can people follow along 
with you, learn from you, 

1074
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,440
connect with you? 
My Instagram is a really good 

1075
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:12,880
one. 
It's just my name at Lindsay 

1076
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,080
Milas and then my website 
istheremembering.com. 

1077
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,560
Thank you so much. 
Thank you. 

1078
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,360
Thank. 
You thank you so much for having

1079
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:22,400
me, of course. 
Yeah.