1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,760 Welcome to Grounded Wellness, your go to podcast for 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,880 simplified and trusted information on how to live a 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,040 more non-toxic and holistic life. 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,000 We are your hosts. I'm Bethany McDaniel, founder of 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,440 Primarily Pure biohacking enthusiast and mom of three. 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,760 And I'm Courtney O'Connor, holistic esthetician with over 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,480 15 years experience in the healing power of touch and 8 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,880 holistic skin care rituals. The United. 9 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:31,120 States spends a staggering $4.5 trillion on healthcare each 10 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,920 year, yet the reality is clear, we're only getting sicker. 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,440 Dr. Casey Means, a Stanford trained physician, has seen 12 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,920 first hand how the medical system is not only broken, it's 13 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,360 rigged. The structure and incentives of 14 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,440 our healthcare system are not designed to promote health, but 15 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,280 to keep us dependent and sick, rewarding doctors for managing 16 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,160 illness instead of preventing it. 17 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,800 In today's episode of Grounded Wellness, we dive into the deep 18 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,040 rooted corruption within the medical system system, the blind 19 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:05,239 spots that keep us stuck, and why reconnecting with God, 20 00:01:05,239 --> 00:01:08,720 nature, and ourselves is the only path to true healing. 21 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:18,040 Let's dig in. Casey, welcome to Grounded 22 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,600 Wellness. I'm so excited to be chatting 23 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,720 with you today so. Excited to be here on your 24 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,560 beautiful farm. Oh my gosh, I know. 25 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:26,920 And we're drinking liver smoothies. 26 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,840 It's the first time you've ever tried a liver smoothie and 27 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,640 you're like, I'm. Almost done with it. 28 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:38,440 I'm so glad. It's really good. 29 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,560 It's really, really good. I'm going to be done with this 30 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,280 in 2 minutes. Yeah, you can barely taste it in 31 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:43,680 here. Amazing. 32 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,360 I was really nervous because before we started recording, 33 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,480 Casey told me that she the last experience with liver was when 34 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,720 she was 10 years old and she threw it all up. 35 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,960 And so this is this has maybe been a redemptive experience for 36 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:57,240 you. I'm. 37 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,040 I'm I'm going to start making this. 38 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:04,200 This is good. So you have been everywhere this 39 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,720 last year. You have exploded in popularity. 40 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,520 You launched your book Good Energy earlier this year, and 41 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,000 you have since been on so many popular podcasts, including Joe 42 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,600 Rogan, Tucker Carlson, Andrew Huberman. 43 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:21,120 You have testified before Senate regarding the current state of 44 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,440 health or lack of health in America, petitioning for 45 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:28,280 government change in that area. Everyone I know is posting about 46 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,440 you and talking about you. How has all of this been for you 47 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,680 and did you see any of it coming? 48 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,920 I mean, it's been, it's been amazing to see the reception 49 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:40,920 that this message and obviously I'm not the first person to talk 50 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:43,160 about this. There's dozens, hundreds, 51 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,720 thousands of practitioners and people and advocates who've been 52 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:52,640 talking about metabolic health and holistic health and a return 53 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:54,560 to natural healing for a long time. 54 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,680 And I think that then these are all so many of these people are 55 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,160 like my, my heroes who have come before me. 56 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,000 And, you know, I think something that I, I've really come to to 57 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,520 realize is that for these monumental problems that we're 58 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,720 facing in culture right now, like we need many different 59 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,280 messengers and many different doorways to get into really 60 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,760 understanding the topic. And I've been given this life 61 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:20,680 experience with climbing the ladder of academic medicine and 62 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,800 getting very sick and disillusioned and then losing my 63 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,720 mother to preventable metabolic disease. 64 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,200 And so for me, it was all about like, I think that my journey in 65 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,960 life has been to help me have a particular doorway into this 66 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,200 issue and share it in a book was just felt something that I had 67 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,080 to do. And then it's almost like 68 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,400 there's this moment in America and the world right now where I 69 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,000 think things are getting so challenging for so many people 70 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,280 in terms of health and lifestyle and something's just not quite 71 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,600 right in our culture. Like there's just some, I think 72 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,440 everyone sort of feels like something's off. 73 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,040 We're going in maybe the wrong direction. 74 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,520 That the book hit in an interesting way at this moment. 75 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,560 And then of course, with an election coming up and sort of 76 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,840 this being a topic that was starting to also be talked about 77 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,840 by Bobby Kennedy, it was just a fascinating confluence of events 78 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:12,240 that happened and my brother being tied in more with the 79 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,320 political world for for many years, he ran campaigns back in 80 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,600 his 20s and did political PR. And so, you know, it kind of in 81 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,960 retrospect and hindsight, it all makes sense. 82 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,880 And I just feel very fortunate to be part of what I think is a 83 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,560 much more collective movement of people striving for a better 84 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,360 world for themselves and their families. 85 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,320 And also a deeper understanding it's happening about the 86 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,720 relationship between the environment and the body. 87 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,520 Like that our path to healing the Earth is not just about 88 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,000 carbon capture. It's about understanding this 89 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,880 complex ecosystem we live in that's in flux between the the 90 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,320 body and nature and all of those things coming together. 91 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,080 So yeah. So it's it's beautiful to see 92 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:55,720 how that the book played into it. 93 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,400 And, you know, I think, but I think it's something so much 94 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:06,840 bigger that's happening and, and the funny sense, like I, I'm 95 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:11,800 such a believer, you know, and sort of like energy and sort of 96 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,720 just like that at every step of the book. 97 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,880 And, and I think ever since my sort of awakening in the 98 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,840 surgical world of like the system is broken, we're just 99 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:24,040 really denying like some of the obvious things that are 100 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,880 happening around us and being told to just like trust the 101 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,360 experts when actually like Rome is burning and, and sort of 102 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,520 really getting in touch with trusting my intuition more. 103 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,720 I've really followed my intuition and sort of like the 104 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,160 energetic pull of, you know, really trying to get quiet and 105 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,840 listen to like what is needed of me in any given moment. 106 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:44,000 And this book sprung out of that energetic state of just writing 107 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,320 what was true for me and what felt right. 108 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:51,440 Even if it, you know, who knows, like maybe it would put me under 109 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:52,600 different. I talked about doing 110 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,640 psychedelics in the book. I talked about a lot of personal 111 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,760 things in the book and but I really focused on just letting 112 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,000 energy flow through me onto the page as honestly as possible. 113 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,880 And so in a sense, because of my faith, I believed that if I did 114 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,360 that and I committed to that, the book would actually really 115 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,600 resonate with people. And I think that if I'd done 116 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,800 anything where I tried to make the book something that wasn't 117 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,240 the actual energy flowing through me, I don't know if it 118 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,080 would have been, if it would have resonated with people as 119 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,000 much. So that kind of feels very 120 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:24,200 validating to continue doing that in my life because I think 121 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,480 a lot of it, a lot of the world wants us to actually suppress 122 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,240 our intuition and do things the way we think we're supposed to 123 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,680 do them. And I don't see that working out 124 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,960 really well for me or or most people I know who who do that. 125 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:35,840 So. Totally. 126 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,440 I love that. I think it's amazing what 127 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,640 happens when we honor that, that calling that, that we're feeling 128 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,680 and, and follow that instead of like suppressing it and, and 129 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,480 like you said, kind of going the direction that maybe you feel 130 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:53,280 like you're supposed to go in. In this last season of life for 131 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:58,320 you, how have you honored your your body and like what helps 132 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,040 you to feel grounded? I know you've been traveling so 133 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,640 much, like you've been doing so much, but how are you like 134 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,880 staying well and healthy and prioritizing that in this season 135 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,720 of life? Yeah, it's been a big challenge 136 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,360 and it's definitely been a year that's tested me from that 137 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,000 standpoint because you write a book about health and holistic 138 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,600 health and honoring your body and then you go launch it and 139 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,080 basically a book launch is like the opposite of that. 140 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,160 So I think I would actually do things a little bit differently 141 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,520 because I do think I I burned it out a little bit too much this 142 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,960 year. And you know, the things that 143 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,720 were like pretty non negotiable for me are food. 144 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:41,520 And so I even on the road and I traveled so much this year, I 145 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,760 always was packing just massive bags of home cooked food and 146 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,160 literally freezing food to bring on the plane so that it would be 147 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,040 defrosted in the place that I went and packing, you know, the 148 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,040 regenerative beef sticks and the wild caught tuna packets and all 149 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,240 of it just so that I would always have real food. 150 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,120 Because to me that's like, I cannot function at my highest 151 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,800 level if the atoms going into my body each day or suboptimal. 152 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,240 Like we need the food to be right. 153 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,280 That's to me, food is so foundational, so. 154 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,480 I've heard with flying too you can bring an extra bag full of 155 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:20,760 food or can a carry on right? Literally my motto of this year 156 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,000 is this is my food bag. Yeah. 157 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,840 And and I don't sat out tonight. MY2 good stuff. 158 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,080 Sonia, who who jokes about this because she's the food bag 159 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:32,080 queen. But I will walk through TSA and 160 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,320 they'll say, ma'am, you got a you, you can't have that third 161 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,120 bag. And I go, this is my food bag, 162 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,640 which it is. It's a bag full of 20 lbs of 163 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,280 organic food. And they just go, Oh, yeah, go 164 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,200 ahead, go ahead. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, this 165 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:46,240 is. It's an amazing hat. 166 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:47,680 Everyone needs to know about that. 167 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:50,160 You can also. Bring frozen liquids on a plane 168 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,080 you can bring so if you freeze. Things I didn't know that I knew 169 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:58,960 that with like breast milk, but. It's not solid when it goes 170 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,960 through TSA. That's that's OK. 171 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:03,320 Wow. So that's, that's another 172 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,240 little. And I mean that's go ahead, take 173 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:06,320 my word on that. Totally. 174 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,920 TSA can do whatever they want. But typically if something's a 175 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,080 solid, it's OK. So, so that, so food was a big 176 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,000 one. I really did try my best to 177 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,760 sleep like I am such a big fan of my aura ring because I think 178 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,400 that something I've learned in my life is that I pretty much 179 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,960 need 7 1/2 hours of sleep time asleep, You know, because if you 180 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,080 wear wearables, you know, like you actually have to be in bed 181 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,880 for about 8 1/2 hours to get 7 1/2 hours of sleep because you 182 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:33,240 lose a bit, a little bit of sleep with. 183 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,480 But if I can average about 7 1/2 hours a week, I'm pretty much 184 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,000 able to be OK. So the weeks where that was 185 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,320 suffering and I was more at like 6 hours and 45 minutes of sleep 186 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:47,360 on average for the week, I would just cut stuff. 187 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,360 I'd be like, you know what Saturday like I'm putting my eye 188 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,000 mask on, I'm putting my earplugs in, I'm taking Valerian route, 189 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,160 I'm cancelling everything in the morning and I'm sleeping for 190 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,600 like 9 hours. And that's not the best way to 191 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,480 to manage sleep where you like overdo it and under do it. 192 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:06,200 But for me having the data to tell myself you have permission 193 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,760 to cut so you can get to what you need was really valuable. 194 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:14,080 Tried to get at least 10,000 steps in a day whenever I could. 195 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:20,360 I also scheduled Zoom like sessions with my trainer and my, 196 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,520 my amazing trainer, Monica Nelson. 197 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,560 We would do Zoom training where I'd be like, OK, I'm going to be 198 00:10:25,560 --> 00:10:28,400 in a hotel room on this state. I'm going to have no equipment, 199 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,280 no yoga mat. I'll just have my bands and like 200 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,560 I'd let her know so she'd be able to plan a workout for 201 00:10:33,560 --> 00:10:35,880 whatever I had. So kind of just trying to make 202 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,880 it work. But I think, you know, I think 203 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:44,320 that travel is a big wear and tear and I've really realized 204 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,960 that flying too much and changing time zones, especially 205 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,720 at this moment in my life, it was like a cycling mid aged 206 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,760 woman. It's it's not great for my 207 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,280 biology. So actually, I think what I 208 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,880 would do differently is less travel if I launched another 209 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:03,000 book and trying to do as much remotely as possible. 210 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,720 I've been astounded by how air travel and time zones, they're 211 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,080 just, they do take a big when you're really in tune with how 212 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:15,040 you how good you can feel. I think that hit of too much 213 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,920 travel has become very pronounced for me. 214 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:23,800 So I try to really say no to to events where I have to travel 215 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,320 over time zones and be back and forth very quickly because it'll 216 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,400 wreck me for a couple days and I feel it. 217 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,800 So if I am going to do that, I try and really maximize sleep on 218 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,480 the day after. And then I just load up with 219 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,080 antioxidants. I'll take 2000 milligrams of 220 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,360 liposomal vitamin C, I'll take 2000 milligrams of turmeric. 221 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,120 I'll take more of the sort of antioxidant supplementation to 222 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,040 help quell some of that radiation stress and and all of 223 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,840 that from the travel. Yeah, that can be so draining. 224 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,640 And I think just having the tools to know like how to 225 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,640 mitigate some of that is so powerful. 226 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,920 And also like it's just a season of life at the same time, like 227 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,240 you are doing something that's so powerful and purposeful. 228 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,720 And in that there's I think that is healthy. 229 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,400 Like I think having a mission in life is healthy and following 230 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,840 that and living into that and it's like super fulfilling. 231 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,840 And so I think like maybe that's not it's not what your life's 232 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,200 gonna look like all the time. But I think those kinds of 233 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,200 seasons are also OK. Like even if you are making some 234 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,600 sacrifices health wise. I agree. 235 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,720 I really do think about life in terms of seasons. 236 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,280 And you know, we've got the seasons of the month, you know 237 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,720 that 4 cycles of the menstrual cycle and you know, they 238 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,840 basically correspond to spring, summer, fall and winter, you 239 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,240 know, ovulation, summer and menstrual phase, winter. 240 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,160 And so honoring that within a month, but also honoring it in 241 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,600 like bigger periods of time. Like this was a season of Yang 242 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,640 from basically like January to October. 243 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,720 And it was amazing and it was purpose driven and it was the 244 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,400 best time of my life. And it also took a lot out of 245 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,920 me. And now it's winter, actually, 246 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:03,080 it's November and I've made the decision to like not do that 247 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,960 much, right. We're not actually traveling for 248 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:07,760 two months and so. We're. 249 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:12,040 Recovering and like getting and and also less talking, more 250 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,640 thinking, you know, I mean, we're talking now, but but 251 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,280 really intentionally being like I'm going to focus on my 252 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,600 newsletter, I'm going to focus on reading. 253 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:24,040 I'm going to focus on generating rather than just expressing. 254 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:28,040 So that season as well of like cultivation verse sharing. 255 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:32,440 And to me, when I get into that, that mode takes a lot of 256 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,080 boundary setting because it means disappointing people and 257 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,960 saying no and this and that. And yet I think part of the 258 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:44,560 journey, especially as a woman, has been honoring what I know it 259 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:48,200 takes to actually cultivate my own light and having faith that 260 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,960 that can help others. And then setting the boundaries 261 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:55,800 to let myself cultivate light and knowing that the constant 262 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,200 Yang is actually going to, over the long term, suppress it. 263 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:04,360 And I think that's a challenge that like in the modern world, I 264 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,040 personally, and a lot of women like have to kind of go through. 265 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:11,280 How do you trust what you can create that requires you to 266 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,400 actually sometimes set boundaries so that you can rest 267 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,760 and cultivate? Yeah, that word trust is like so 268 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,400 key, I think like trusting, like, OK, I'm not gonna become 269 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,440 irrelevant if I'm not like doing every single thing that's asked 270 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,160 of me all the time. Like I can take time and and 271 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,480 then come back to something later and and that'll be OK, 272 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,280 Yes. And then my message isn't going 273 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,720 to like disappear. The message isn't going to 274 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,600 appear. The algorithm's not going to 275 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,080 totally forget you. I've heard everything you know 276 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,800 you've got to post every day. You got to post on every 277 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,040 platform. I'll go weeks without posting if 278 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,720 it's not because again it and it is trust and faith. 279 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:55,040 If you believe that honoring what what you feel needs to come 280 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,360 through you on a given day, a given week, a given season, a 281 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:02,240 given year, then and trusting that over the lifetime that is 282 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,560 going to give the most. But that does take trust because 283 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,880 we live in a world where it's all about every day, Monday 284 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,480 through Friday, 300 days a year, you must be productive. 285 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,440 And so to actually say like, it's November and it's Tuesday 286 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,200 and I don't know if I'm going to do anything work productive 287 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:22,200 today and then thinking, but this year has been the most 288 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,160 productive of my life. This is OK. 289 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,040 This is what I might need to have another spurt. 290 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,600 And that's like lost in our culture. 291 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,200 I'm just realizing now that we're talking, you are barefoot 292 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:33,640 and I am not barefoot. And we. 293 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,480 Oh my. Gosh, I didn't even notice it. 294 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,560 Also reminds me one of the things that actually has really 295 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,680 helped me this year to beat to feel grounded is I will find a 296 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,720 park in any city that I'm in. And you know, if I'm in Austin 297 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,640 and I will go lay in the grass and literally just lay there and 298 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:51,920 take some deep breaths like a like a starfish. 299 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:57,520 And so if someone has seen a six foot tall redhead rolling in the 300 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,680 grass in a random city, like that's me trying to come down 301 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,160 from travel. And it's like, it's actually so 302 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,920 this feels so good. But like, I am astonished when I 303 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,720 just lay in my backyard for 10 minutes in the middle of the day 304 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:15,520 in between calls it it actually feels like a total state change 305 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,040 for me. It does so much like it is the 306 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,560 most underrated health hack out there. 307 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,240 And I have a lot of like biohacking equipment at home. 308 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:25,840 And I talked about this on the podcast. 309 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,000 Sometimes I have an infrared sauna, hyperbaric chamber, all 310 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:32,920 these things like grounding is at the top of my list on like 311 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,880 things that recharge me and help me to feel good. 312 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,200 And especially after flying, like when we're exposed to 313 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,400 radiation and all of these things that are just unnatural, 314 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,240 connecting with the Earth is such a powerful way to mitigate 315 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,760 that. Totally just like on your back, 316 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,120 fetal position, whatever it is on the grass and in the sunshine 317 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,520 especially those two things together with a deep breaths can 318 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,560 transform an entire day. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 319 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,320 And especially like near a body of water, like a lake or an 320 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,840 ocean, just kind of takes it to another level. 321 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,520 I've heard recently that grounding in the like the ocean 322 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,160 is one of the most grounded things cuz of the electrons or 323 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:11,400 whatever. I don't know the details 324 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,720 exactly, but like it's so interesting because I always my 325 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,319 fiance, he's the most Zen person I've ever met and he's in the 326 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:22,440 ocean a lot, you know, and he goes to the ocean as his reboot 327 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:23,800 and it's just I. Don't really want. 328 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,560 Coincidence there? Yeah, Yeah. 329 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,760 Well, all of this is not being wasted. 330 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,880 I mean, your message is is so powerful and it's been received 331 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,320 very well by so many people. And I think the thing that's 332 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,720 cool about it is no matter where someone is at in their health 333 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:45,200 journey, there is a take away there like from all of the 334 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,920 information that you share, like I'm 1012 years in now to like 335 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,880 really being mindful of what I'm putting in my body and how I'm 336 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,560 living my life. And I learn so much every time I 337 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,240 listen to you. And then people that listen to 338 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,080 you for the first time, I think things like really start to 339 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,880 click for them. I know when I started to hear 340 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:08,120 things like, you know, all these years ago about how Coca-Cola is 341 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:12,200 like funding the American Diabetes Association and how 342 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,200 medical textbooks are heavily influenced by Big Pharma, it 343 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,920 just all kind of made sense to me of like, OK, I can see how 344 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:24,720 these companies and associations are seeing dollar signs and are 345 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,680 seeing an opportunity to make money at the expense of people's 346 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,680 health. And like, I want to opt out of 347 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,080 that. I don't want any part in that. 348 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,480 I'm going to do my own thing. But I think that's like, partly 349 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,000 due to my rebellious nature and not everyone, it doesn't like 350 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,520 click for everyone right away. And I think people just kind of 351 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,480 trust the status quo. But you are breaking things down 352 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:48,600 with so much validity and credentials and like sound 353 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,560 information that you're presenting that people are like 354 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,760 really starting to listen. And I think it's so exciting. 355 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:01,200 So can you give us a breakdown of kind of the current state of 356 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,920 health in America and share some of the statistics that really 357 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,840 like highlight where we're at as a country? 358 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,880 Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's, it blows me away 359 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,320 to just think about some of these statistics. 360 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:20,280 But so in the US right now, 2024, over 50% of American 361 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,040 adults right now have type 2 diabetes or pre diabetes. 362 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,120 So that's almost 100% preventable. 363 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:28,280 This is not type 1 diabetes, it's type 2 and pre diabetes. 364 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:33,680 And that's 52% of American adults and over 30% of teenagers 365 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,440 now. So they used to call type 2 366 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,720 diabetes, adult onset diabetes can't be called that anymore 367 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,600 because so many kids have pre diabetes and even type 2 368 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:43,800 diabetes. Unbelievable. 369 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:49,680 You've got, of course, overweight and obesity and 74% 370 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,240 of American adults now and close to 50% of kids. 371 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,840 I always think it's wild when I see those pictures. 372 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,400 I've seen a lot of these lately of like a beach in the 60s 373 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,400 compared to like a beach now and just the difference in how 374 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:04,760 people look is. Astounding. 375 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,320 Yeah, it is. And it's really, it's so 376 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,480 interesting when you kind of think about it and back up, it's 377 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,960 like taking all the emotionality or anything about body shaming 378 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,920 out of any of the conversation. And we just think about like, 379 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:20,040 what is fat? Like fat is the storage form of 380 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,240 energy. It is our body taking excess 381 00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:27,080 resources that it can't use to make energy and putting it in a 382 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,480 storage form. That's what fat is. 383 00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:33,920 And when you think about the fact that the thing that makes 384 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:38,200 us alive and not dead is the ability to convert potential 385 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,200 energy to human energy through the mitochondria, that that's 386 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,640 the only reason we're all here and not disintegrated into the 387 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,080 soil is because of mitochondria converting energy from outside 388 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,240 of us to inside of us to keep everything working. 389 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:55,280 And the world is so now hostile on every level to our 390 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,080 mitochondrial function, environmental toxins, synthetic 391 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:02,560 pesticides, circadian biology, disruption, not moving enough, 392 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,200 not sleeping enough, eating ultra processed foods, food 393 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,520 additives, all these things are poisoning this beautiful part of 394 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,200 our body that converts potential energy to human energy. 395 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,240 And because of that, and because we are eating so many ultra 396 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:20,640 processed foods that drive us to eat more than we need, those two 397 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,440 things together, like the broken machine and the weaponized food 398 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,520 together, obviously create a situation in which we are not 399 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,840 converting that substrate to human energy, life force, and 400 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,960 instead we're storing it as fat. So the fat that is in, you know, 401 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,960 excess in 74% of American adults is actually a representation of 402 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:45,840 something fundamentally disharmonious between our world 403 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:50,080 and our cellular biology that's leading us to have a 404 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,960 dysfunctional process of the most miraculous thing that we 405 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,880 do, which is convert things outside of us to life force 406 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,760 within us and. That's such a good breakdown. 407 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:05,360 It's just crazy though, like, and we, we, we, we Add all this 408 00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:11,320 like cultural stigma to the idea of fat being fat or being obese. 409 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,640 And it's like it doesn't that that that that distracts the 410 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,600 conversation. You all seem to just look at it 411 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,520 from a mechanistic level of like. 412 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,000 What's really happening? Yeah, why are we 3D printing a 413 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,400 storage form of energy instead of using it? 414 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:30,040 And simultaneously, why is chronic fatigue and chronic pain 415 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,600 and brain fog and Alzheimer's and all these things that are 416 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:37,320 essentially subjective signs saying that our life force is 417 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,520 being dimmed? We're literally losing our minds 418 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,040 and our thoughts. We are. 419 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,360 We don't have attention, we don't have energy. 420 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:49,280 So life force being dimmed, energy storage going up, all 421 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,720 because we live in a world now that we've created out of hubris 422 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,360 for efficiency that's destroying our core cellular biology. 423 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,800 Like this is not that complicated, but it's so it's so 424 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:07,720 valuable for people to distract that conversation towards oh, 425 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,320 you know, we can't talk about it because it's shaming people or 426 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,480 because of equitable access to food or this or that. 427 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,720 Like as a physician, as a medical person, like those 428 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,560 things matter. And also like we must speak the 429 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,440 truth. There's a problem going on 430 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,400 inside our bodies that's actually disturbing the flow of 431 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,200 energy through our bodies. And that's showing up as both 432 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:35,400 all these different multitude of symptoms and the 3D printing of 433 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,040 excess energy that can't be used. 434 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,440 So it's just an imbalance in Archie, you know, in like prana, 435 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,720 in the thing that we're meant to do, which is be conduits of 436 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,280 solar energy to human energy. It's blocked. 437 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,080 That's dark. We should talk about it like 438 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,000 we're not. We're distracting the 439 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,320 conversation. And when you talk about 440 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,000 metabolism, so I grew up and I think a lot of us grew up 441 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,360 thinking of your metabolism as just either how quickly or how 442 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:04,320 slowly you burn fat. But there's like so much more to 443 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,200 it than that, right? That goes into like how we 444 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,640 utilize like food for energy and, and how that works. 445 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,640 And I know you talk a lot about metabolic dysfunction, but how? 446 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,560 What? What does that mean exactly? 447 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,280 Yeah, I mean, well, the mitochondria so. 448 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,400 So when we talk about metabolic dysfunction, we're we're 449 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,880 fundamentally talking about a problem with how the body makes 450 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,680 energy. Like where these incredible 451 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:31,800 machines were made of 40 trillion plus cells, human 452 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,640 cells, a lot more bacterial cells. 453 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,120 But all those cells are like little cities. 454 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,040 Each one is like a little individual city that is doing 455 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,000 trillions of chemical reactions per second. 456 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,640 So trillions of cells each doing trillions of chemical reactions 457 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,280 per second. And all of that activity 458 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,240 fundamentally bubbles up into this conscious experience of our 459 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,240 life. And when that activity stops, 460 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,680 we're dead. And when that activity slows, we 461 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,920 get sick and or isn't working properly, we get sick. 462 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,360 When it's all buzzing along properly, we're healthy and 463 00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:09,240 we're thriving and aging is slowed and all of this. 464 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,760 So metabolism is how we transform energy. 465 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,040 So that whole machine, every chemical reaction, all of it, it 466 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,640 all requires energy. It all has to be paid for and it 467 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,880 gets paid for by our body. Be able to convert the 50 metric 468 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,240 tons of food we take it in our lifetime into an actual form of 469 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,080 energy that we can use to power ourselves. 470 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,640 So that that beautiful process, that's metabolism. 471 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,240 It's a conversion process, very complex orchestration in our 472 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,160 bodies through digestion and hormones and circulation and 473 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,360 intracellular metabolic processes and mitochondrial 474 00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:46,880 function, all this stuff that if everything's kind of unburdened, 475 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:49,880 it goes through and we're well powered in our little cities are 476 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,400 40 trillion little cities of cells work well and we have 477 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,640 health and we're happy and we, you know, we live a long time 478 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,280 and then we usually die very quickly when sort of that time 479 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,320 is up. And it's not the slow decline 480 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,160 towards death that we're all experiencing. 481 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,720 So that's metabolism. And you know, I think what's so 482 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,880 interesting is the mitochondria, the part of our cells that 483 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,720 actually convert at the, the end stage of the food energy to 484 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,040 cellular energy, a form from outside of us that we can't use 485 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,680 to an energy that we can use. That mitochondria. 486 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,760 It does more than just convert energy, create ATP like we all 487 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:22,880 remember from high school biology. 488 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,840 The mitochondria, it's, it's not just the powerhouse of the cell, 489 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,680 it's the motherboard of the whole cell. 490 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,720 It is an immune it It determines our immune function. 491 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,360 This the mitochondria. If it's not getting what it 492 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:37,840 needs, it can incite what's called the cell danger response, 493 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,320 which is actually the cell sending out distress signals to 494 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,520 recruit the immune system. It creates hormones. 495 00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:48,880 The mitochondria can can is part of hormonal generation. 496 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,400 It also the mitochondria emits photons. 497 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,040 The mitochondria literally is a light emitting organelle. 498 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,840 We are bioluminescent. We actually have the ability to 499 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,280 emit. We don't just take in photons. 500 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,280 We also emit photons weekly. But that's amazing. 501 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,200 And so it does all these different things aside from just 502 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,560 being the powerhouse of the cell and what good energy is really 503 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,320 about. And what the, the point of the 504 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,440 message I'm really trying to share is that there's just, 505 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,160 there's a unique thing happening in the modern world right now 506 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:24,840 that's very recent, which is that all aspects of recent 507 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,160 industrial urbanized modernity for whatever reason are all 508 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,560 hurting our mitochondria. So the ultra processed food 509 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:35,480 hurts the mitochondria. The lack of nutrients in our 510 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,920 food because of our soil depletion under resources, our 511 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,440 mitochondria. The sleep deprivation hurts our 512 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,560 mitochondria. The blue light hurts our 513 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,760 mitochondria. Not getting enough sunlight 514 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,840 hurts our mitochondria. Not moving enough hurts our 515 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,440 mitochondria. Sitting too much hurts our 516 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,000 mitochondria. Environmental toxins, the 10,000 517 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,480 food additives, many of them directly hurt our mitochondria. 518 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,960 The stuff in our personal care products hurts our mitochondria. 519 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,640 The chronic stress hurts our mitochondria. 520 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:03,760 So it's so and I can't, I don't know why God's doing this right 521 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,760 now. I don't know what the reason is, 522 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:12,000 but for some reason the last 100 years basically, I mean, I would 523 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,720 say like since the light bulb was an invent and until last few 524 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:19,920 100 years, there's been this March towards a world that is 525 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,840 antagonistic to our mitochondria. 526 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,720 That's interesting. I don't, I don't know why, but 527 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,640 that's what's happening. And that's what this book is all 528 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,040 about is like the evidence for that, that each one through 529 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,200 different mechanisms is destroying the seat of our life 530 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,160 force. And so because of that, we don't 531 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,560 we aren't able to convert energy properly. 532 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,880 So we store it fat and we don't get enough energy dysfunction of 533 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,360 our cells, underpowered cities in our body, ultimately cellular 534 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,760 dysfunction, organ dysfunction symptoms that happens all over 535 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,960 the body. So the trunk of the tree of our 536 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,320 chronic disease epidemic is metabolic dysfunction and 537 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,200 underpowering of our body. And it's showing up as 100 plus 538 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,000 diseases because in different parts of the body, underpowering 539 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,560 looks like different things. In the retina, it could look 540 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,320 like retinopathy. In the penis, it could look like 541 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,160 erectile dysfunction. In the ovary, it could look like 542 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,280 polycystic ovarian syndrome. In the blood vessels of the 543 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:11,920 heart, it can look like coronary artery disease. 544 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,560 In the brain, it could look like Alzheimer's, ADHD, autism, 545 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,800 fibromyalgia, migraines. All of these we know are rooted 546 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,520 in the process of metabolic dysfunction. 547 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,080 But our siloed medical system and our disconnected, siloed 548 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:29,160 world doesn't see connections. We are all indoctrinated to not 549 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,120 see the connections between things because silos are 550 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,360 profitable. If you have a patient seeing 15 551 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,360 specialists, it's a lot more profitable than a patient who 552 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,160 learns how to support their mitochondria, heals it, and 553 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,880 everything kind of melts away. So. 554 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,960 How about how I've always thought of it is like at its 555 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:50,360 core, any symptom, any issue, health issue is it's cellular 556 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,720 dysfunction, but it shows up differently depending on like 557 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,080 where you're vulnerable, right? Like, so I think in the past 558 00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,880 we've always thought of everything as being genetic, 559 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:04,280 like anything you get must be genetic, But it's like, no, I 560 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,280 mean, yes, maybe that plays a role in it and where where 561 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,760 you're kind of vulnerable. But also like often times the 562 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:16,560 cure is like the same for for, you know, something is an issue 563 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:21,760 and you're gut or something as it would be for any name, any 564 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,360 given medical condition. You know, it's like getting your 565 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,920 cellular biology to work how it's supposed to. 566 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,400 But like you said, we're up against so much in our modern 567 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,040 world. And I think that people 568 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,160 generally think like, well, this is all normal. 569 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,280 Like we think of everything, you know, the foods that we see at 570 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,640 the store that everyone's eating, like everyone's doing 571 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,640 it, It can't be that bad. The products like we think of as 572 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,160 being safe because they're sold on a store shelf and they must 573 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,960 be OK, but that's not really the case. 574 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,120 Yeah, no, it's not. And I think this is the 575 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,360 awakening that I think is happening right now is that 576 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,800 basically since like World War 2, I mean, we didn't really have 577 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,200 ultra processed foods before. People don't realize in our 578 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,160 lifetime, maybe being in our 30s, yeah, it all seems normal. 579 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,200 That's what we've always seen. But in the course of human 580 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,080 history, this is just a blip. It's a, it's an experiment gone 581 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,720 awry. That's just, it's not working. 582 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,000 And you know, so we started having ultra processed foods 583 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,120 after World War 2, shelf stability, all sorts of things. 584 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,360 And then 1970s it really started skyrocketing, especially after a 585 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,520 bunch of cigarette companies bought ultra processed food 586 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,440 companies when that. Was a shocking revelation. 587 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,480 I did not realize that. How do you weaponize food to get 588 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,120 people to eat more? Because that's going to increase 589 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,080 quarterly returns. And yes, I've heard you guys 590 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,200 talk about this, you and your brother. 591 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,760 So all of the scientists, the food science or the scientists 592 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,520 from the cigarette industry, once that was kind of on its way 593 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,640 out, got moved over to the food industry to try to figure out 594 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,960 how to make food as addictive and cheap as possible. 595 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,320 I mean, addiction is the best business model for a 596 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,360 capitalistic society where you don't have any responsibility 597 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,960 for externalities of your business, which is the way it 598 00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,960 is. We don't live in community. 599 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,320 We don't think about anything other than quarterly returns. 600 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,480 So it doesn't matter what you're doing to health or the 601 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:10,240 environment or anything. That is the unfortunate reality 602 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,240 when the thing that we worship is money. 603 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:23,280 And so nothing could be more profitable than getting someone 604 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,760 to be addicted to someone, whether that's food or 605 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:32,560 medication or a general victim mindset that makes them, you 606 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,160 know, feel addicted to stress and wanting drama, you know, and 607 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,480 then creating a chaotic world where everyone's in need of 608 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,440 purchasing solutions for their problems. 609 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,760 Yeah, and it's happening. And the the younger it happens, 610 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,000 the better it is for everyone profiting off of it, right? 611 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,320 So like kids now are being inundated with these foods that 612 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,960 are wrecking their health and then being prescribed drugs to 613 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,320 help with those symptoms and, and you've got a lifetime 614 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:00,360 customer. That's right. 615 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,640 So talk to us a little bit about how, like kids specifically are 616 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,720 being impacted by all of these, like, modern stressors and 617 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,480 toxins. I mean, it's so wild right now. 618 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,400 So yeah. So 30% of teens are pre 619 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,960 diabetic. close to 50% of kids are overweight or obese. 620 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:22,120 One in 32 kids in America or one in 36 kids in America has autism 621 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,440 now. It was like one in 100 and 5020 622 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,480 years ago. One in 22 kids in California, 623 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,800 where we live, have autism. Yeah, what is it about 624 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,080 California? I think it's hard to know. 625 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,280 I, I mean, I think it's, it's, it's certainly must be 626 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,240 environmental because these numbers are going up 627 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,640 astronomically. But you know, it's really hard 628 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,760 to know. I think it's, you can speculate. 629 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,720 Was it the we're huge agricultural state that uses a 630 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,560 gigantic amount of pesticides and so there's a lot of 631 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,760 environmental toxins? Is it, you know, something about 632 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,400 the way our waters manage? Is it the fact that we have no 633 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,400 religious exemptions for vaccine? 634 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:08,920 So we have a very high vaccine rate and doctors who there's a 635 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,679 new I think it's a law in California where if a doctor 636 00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:16,440 gives more than five medical vaccine exemptions per year, 637 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:17,800 they start to get a watch. List. 638 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,679 I've heard that. Yeah, so you, you have a very 639 00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:23,000 high vaccination rate, you have a high pesticide use. 640 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,920 You, you know, we'd have to look at the water, the air quality, 641 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,800 the, you know, what's happening with support of pregnant women 642 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,520 and nutrition and pregnancy and things like that and just all 643 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,960 the different factors stress, so. 644 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,320 But but the rates are going up so astronomically that like we 645 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,679 know this is environmental. So the, the fact that we're not 646 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:46,320 really allowed to talk about that. 647 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,080 And it's somehow, again the the playbook of saying it's shaming 648 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,600 families to talk about the modifiable factors that are 649 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,440 leading to these childhood chronic diseases. 650 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,320 That's asking questions. Not even. 651 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,720 That's not even allowed. No. 652 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,440 So autism is going up, fatty liver diseases, 18% of children 653 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,200 now have fatty liver diseases. That disease you really only see 654 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:12,040 in like older Alcoholics in the past, you know, chronic liver 655 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,880 failure from metabolic disease is now starting to surpass other 656 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,920 causes as the leading cause of liver transplants. 657 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,440 We've got asthma going up, autoimmune diseases going up in 658 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,680 kids. We've got depression, anxiety, 659 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,480 ADHD going up. We've 36% of 18 year olds have a 660 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,840 mental, behavioral or emotional issue It's it's and 661 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,360 developmental milestones seem to be slowing down and this the CDC 662 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,160 is actually putting out new timelines for meeting 663 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,840 developmental milestones because kids are falling behind It's 664 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,400 astonishing and so. Why are we changing the goal 665 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,280 post based on where people are at? 666 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,160 We're in when we're in such a dismal place. 667 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,640 Because apparently it's too challenging to stop poisoning 668 00:35:58,640 --> 00:35:59,920 kids. You know, right? 669 00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:01,920 That's, that's literally what the message is. 670 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,560 We, we and then of course, it's like how much, how many kids can 671 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,200 we medicate? Because that's actually the 672 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,240 public health solution. Instead of figuring out how to 673 00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:13,200 actually just get kids healthy food and more time outdoors and 674 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,360 better sleep and good less toxins, we're actually going to, 675 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,600 it's a simpler solution to medicate them for life. 676 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:27,480 And you know, and, and it's just, we're living in a bizarro 677 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:28,680 world. That's the reality. 678 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,120 And we all need to wake up that this is eminently solvable. 679 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,160 And there's nothing simpler about medicating kids for life 680 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,880 than figuring out how to get organic food to kids for life. 681 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,520 It's not more, it's not more expensive to do that. 682 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,680 It's just not the priority because it's profitable, right? 683 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,920 So, so kids are being destroyed and there's just there. 684 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,720 The reality is I there is nothing more profitable in 685 00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:54,640 America right now than a sick child. 686 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,600 Because if you can get a kid from fetal life, which is what's 687 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,040 happening now, kids are being born chronically I'll because 688 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,560 they're getting sick in utero from toxins and metabolic 689 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,000 dysfunction. If you can get them sick from 690 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,720 the moment they're born, then you have someone who can be 691 00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:13,120 addicted to ultra processed food and requiring medication for 692 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,000 7080 years and. And Western medicine's really 693 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,240 good at that, at at keeping people alive regardless of 694 00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:22,320 whether or not they're thriving. Yes and no. 695 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:30,040 I mean life expectancies, we are living seven years less than the 696 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,400 Japanese and the Swiss. Like it's we, we always say 697 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,120 like, well, America's good at keeping people alive. 698 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,000 And I kind of thought that. And then like, but we're 699 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,840 actually not, not like our life expectancy is going down every 700 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,240 single year for the last three or four years. 701 00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:46,960 And, and there are countries in, in the world where people are 702 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,320 living on average 10 years. So a Japanese man versus an 703 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,000 American man, the Japanese man will live 10 years longer than 704 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,200 the American man. And if people from those 705 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,000 countries come to the US, they will get that life expense hit 706 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,840 because it's about our environment here. 707 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,280 So we're not even that good at keeping people. 708 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,440 I mean, we have the highest infant and maternal mortality 709 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,200 rates of any developed country in the world. 710 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,200 So we're not even people alive. We are stringing people. 711 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,720 Along we, we are we, we don't value life in this country. 712 00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:18,160 We don't value the life of the soil. 713 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:19,600 We don't value the life of people. 714 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:24,720 People are, I don't think there's any necessarily like 715 00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:27,120 pharma executive or food executive who actually sees 716 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,560 people this way. I think it's actually just a 717 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,840 system of incentives that's kind of blinding us. 718 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,480 So what's going on? But the way we're acting in 719 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:38,000 America right now is that human life is a box that you can stick 720 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,400 things into or take things out of for profit. 721 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,600 And once that box is eliminated, like there's more, there's 722 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,720 another, there's, there's 300 million more we can. 723 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,840 So we need to get our priorities straight. 724 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,960 Yeah, yeah. Let's talk about the medical 725 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,480 system, because you you have said that the medical system 726 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,000 isn't actually broken, it's rigged. 727 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:03,000 What I mean by that is that the fundamental incentives of the 728 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,680 healthcare system are not to create healthy patients, it's to 729 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,800 create more profit. It's a business. 730 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,080 It's a business designed to grow. 731 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,120 The healthcare industry is the largest and fastest growing 732 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,720 industry in the United States, and it makes more money by 733 00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:21,480 having more people in the system, having more things done 734 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,000 to them over a longer period of time. 735 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,320 So that creates the incentive structure and business model of 736 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,520 healthcare. The just reality of it is that 737 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,200 every institution involved in our health in America makes more 738 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,160 money when we're sick and less money when we're healthy. 739 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,960 So because of that simple business model problem, there's 740 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,160 really no incentive for these gigantic industries and hospital 741 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:49,640 systems and clinics and surgery centers to be focusing on 742 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:55,080 prevention, nutrition, exercise, sunlight, non-toxic living, 743 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,320 because all of that actually feeds into less profit. 744 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,400 So until that business model changes, any doctor. 745 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,960 In the system who's focusing on intensively focusing on 746 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,880 prevention, nutrition, the modifiable aspects of disease is 747 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,720 basically doing pro bono work. They're not really getting paid 748 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:16,240 for it. You get paid. 749 00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:19,080 I mean, imagine. And again, every doctor I know 750 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,040 is a good person. Every doctor I know went into 751 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,400 medicine to help people. And also, we live in a system 752 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,640 where our paycheck is tied to how many patients we can see 753 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:32,760 every week. And if that business model has 754 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:37,080 influenced how research is done, even at the NIH, that has a 755 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,680 rampant conflict of interest in the industry. 756 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,440 So the the way the research is being done pushes us towards 757 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,880 sort of a reactionary sick care model because that's profitable. 758 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,040 And the way medical schools are teaching about health is all 759 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,400 about reaction sick care model. Wait till someone's inevitably 760 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,360 sick and then swoop in. That's what we're learning in 761 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,400 medical school. So the research tells us that. 762 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,720 The medical school education tells us that no one's 763 00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:02,120 mentioning that like, Oh yeah, the, the hot, the, the medical 764 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,480 schools are expects accepting millions of dollars from 765 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,000 pharmaceutical companies and food companies. 766 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,560 And then you go into practice and the guidelines are all based 767 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,120 on reactive sick care whack of all medicine and you get paid 768 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,880 for that. You end up being a doctor with 769 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,600 the noblest of intentions who's only seen one playbook across 770 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,680 research, education and practice and payment. 771 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:30,080 And so then at age like 35, to be like, wait, I trust this 772 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,520 system. I believe in this system. 773 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,400 Could it be all wrong? That's a big step to take, but a 774 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:38,920 lot, a lot of people are doing it. 775 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,680 Especially when you think about how much the cost involved in 776 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,280 the time and everything that goes into half a million. 777 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,640 Dollars into your education, sacrificing the prime years of 778 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,440 your life, divorces, depression. I mean, doctors and all 779 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,400 healthcare practitioners go through so much, which I think 780 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,600 is also a little bit by design, because if you can get people to 781 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:03,360 like give up so much, it's going to be especially hard to have 782 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,160 them reject it. And I, I'm not, I don't think we 783 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,560 should reject the Western medical system. 784 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,000 And I make this very clear in my book, is that the healthcare 785 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,920 system does produce miracles and it is incredible for acute 786 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,960 issues. Acute issues are issues like 787 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,920 trauma, car accident, gunshot wound, overwhelming infection, 788 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,280 something that's going to kill us immediately. 789 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:31,400 When you have an issue like that, I and everyone should go 790 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,480 to the doctor and get help. And there's no, there's, there's 791 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,440 no shame in that. It's like there are, there's an 792 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,960 amazing resource for that that's based on the tools of modernity. 793 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,400 And I appreciate it. I respect it. 794 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,800 It's incredible. But 90% of our healthcare costs 795 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,520 are not going towards acute issues right now. 796 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,920 They're going towards chronic issues which are rooted in our 797 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,280 lifestyle and our diet and the world that's no longer conducive 798 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,840 to cellular biology. So we've essentially taken the 799 00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,320 trust that's been engendered by our incredible approach towards 800 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:05,080 acute issues, which is intervention, aggressiveness, 801 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,240 drugs, surgery, and said, well, that works for this bucket of 802 00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:11,120 things. We're going to apply it to this 803 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,920 whole bucket of things. But though that huge bucket of 804 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,960 things over here isn't caused by an accident or a bacteria, it's 805 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:24,040 caused by decades of being poisoned by our environment. 806 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:29,000 And so it doesn't make sense to use that hammer for for those 807 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,960 issues, right? And I always had such an 808 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,200 awakening when I was in, had a neck surgery, ear, nose and 809 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:39,760 throat surgery because I kind of remember thinking like I was in 810 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,280 the operating room with this patient. 811 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,520 I think it was like a little delirious because I've been like 812 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,160 on call so much. And it was like the fifth 813 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,720 surgery of the day. And this I talk about this 814 00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:50,200 patient in the book, which is that she had, she was on like 815 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,120 her third revision sinus surgery. 816 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,720 And we were going to put her on conscious and do another 817 00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:57,480 surgery. And I just kind of was thinking, 818 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,600 she's going to be back. What about this surgery is going 819 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,680 to fix this issue? She's back every year for her 820 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,840 antibiotics and her steroids and ultimately her surgery. 821 00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:10,920 She's got all these other health conditions that I never think 822 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,480 about because that's not my lane. 823 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,160 And like, what are we really doing here to help this person? 824 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,440 We're kind of changing the plumbing. 825 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,040 And then it kind of occurred to me. 826 00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:24,880 Every disease I treat in ear, nose and throat is inflammatory 827 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,120 sinusitis, laryngitis, thyroiditis, otitis, Cellulitis, 828 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,640 perititis, itis is inflammation. All the conditions we treat in 829 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,960 ENT are conditions of inflammation. 830 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,360 And I, I just felt both like excited and dumb at the same 831 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,800 time when I had this sort of awakening of like, you can't 832 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:46,120 operate on the immune system. Inflammation is the, the revving 833 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,760 up of the immune system in response to a threat. 834 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,760 But I can't cut out the immune system. 835 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,800 I can't operate on the immune system. 836 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,480 So what are we doing? What is causing this patient's 837 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,600 body to think there's a threat? What is the threat? 838 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,800 And then realizing I went to Stanford for eight years. 839 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,000 I'm five years into my surgical training and I've never once 840 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,520 thought about this question. What is the threat? 841 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,680 Why is every patient I'm seeing? Why is there immune system on 842 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:17,720 high alarm? It's like it had never occurred 843 00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:22,560 to me to ask why it what the way it works is you just have a 844 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,640 patient in front of you who has chronic inflammation, their 845 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,360 immune system's revved up and that's just a fact of life. 846 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,640 You never go backwards to say, well, why? 847 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,120 It just is. It just is this patient just has 848 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,000 heart disease. This patient just has sinusitis. 849 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,960 And once I once I had that thought, once those two neurons 850 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:44,600 fired, I was like, shit, I can't really. 851 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,040 I knew it that I knew it was Pandora's box opening. 852 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,880 And now we're like eight years later and everything about my 853 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,480 life has changed, but. Yeah, Let's back up a little bit 854 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,000 and talk a little bit about your background. 855 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,240 And, you know, you were at the top of your class on Stanford 856 00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:03,800 Medical School surgeon, you know, super like just what 857 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,160 everyone strives for. And. 858 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:11,080 And you get to this point where you realize that what you've 859 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:15,240 been taught isn't actually like fixing problems for people. 860 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,320 Yeah, in in medical school, was there ever any talk about like 861 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:25,120 prevention or, or lifestyle or diet, Like was that ever a topic 862 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:26,880 of conversation or something that you learned? 863 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,280 I think that there were like nods to the concept of 864 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,520 prevention, but I wasn't given any tools to really help 865 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,080 patients with that. You know, of course, in a 866 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:43,280 cardiovascular disease block, it's like primary prevention is 867 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:44,920 important. And we do that through 868 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,720 counseling patients to eat healthy and exercise. 5 minutes, 869 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,640 right? Like a throwaway comment. 870 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,920 What does that even mean? How do you counsel a patient? 871 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,160 That's not enough information to really help someone. 872 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,360 And then it's like days and days about pharmacology and surgery 873 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,640 about those conditions. So I'm not going to say that 874 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,520 like the word prevention wasn't mentioned, but I did not, I was 875 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,600 certainly not equipped to actually help a patient reverse 876 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,240 disease through dietary and lifestyle antigens or even know 877 00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:18,520 how to test for what are the underlying true pathologies that 878 00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,480 may be leading to a patient's problems. 879 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,320 And then nutrition, there was none, absolutely none. 880 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,760 No, no court, no actual class on nutrition. 881 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,640 And four years of medical school we had, I remember 1 lecture 882 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,320 from Christopher Gardner, who's like a very famous nutrition 883 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,680 researcher at Stanford who does really cool nutrition work. 884 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,800 But it was like a little like he popped in for a lecture about 885 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:48,960 how garlic extract in a randomized study that they did 886 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,680 at Stanford, like didn't prevent heart disease. 887 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,600 And like that was the lecture. And I was sitting there like, is 888 00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,080 this really all we're going to learn about? 889 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,360 I was very interested in nutrition even at that time. 890 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,840 And I'm like, is this a joke? Like is this, is this actually 891 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,480 like, like this is it? And, and that was, that was 892 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,760 literally all the nutrition. I mean nothing. 893 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:15,240 And of course, now looking back and really understanding like 894 00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:17,400 one of the biggest threat signals to our bodies in the 895 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,360 modern American world is this Frankenfood industrial ultra 896 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,400 processed food that we're eating. 897 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,520 You know, we're putting, we put 2 to 3 lbs of food in our body 898 00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:31,480 every single day and that food is a foreign substance now. 899 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,680 Ultra processed food is a threat signal to the body. 900 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,360 End of story. And to think that I was a 901 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,200 chronic inflammation Dr. An ear, nose and throat doctor. 902 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,320 Basically a chronic inflammation Dr. And you could say that about 903 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,920 probably any, any medical. Doctor, cardiologist, 904 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,120 endocrinologist, obesity medicine, everyone. 905 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,400 'S an inflammation of different parts of the body exactly. 906 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,480 And I just, yeah, I just so much of my perspective on the body 907 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,240 now comes from a sense of compassion. 908 00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:04,200 And it's like so many people, most of us at this point are 909 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,120 probably chronically inflamed. It's the, in the book I talk 910 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,960 about the trifecta of metabolic dysfunction is chronic 911 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,040 inflammation, mitochondrial dysfunction and oxy of stress. 912 00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,280 So chronic inflammation is one leg of that stool, and they're 913 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,440 all interrelated. Chronic inflammation is the body 914 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,160 mounting a war against a threat. That's what it is. 915 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,760 It's in the immune system mounting a war against a 916 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:31,840 perceived threat. And that war generates all these 917 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,560 war bombs, cytokines, immune chemicals that go around the 918 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:41,880 body to activate more immune cells to help it can calm down 919 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,360 if the threat goes away. So if it's a bacteria or a 920 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,160 virus, the immune cells eat those cells, they destroy those 921 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,360 cells, they get rid of it, they clean it up, and it settles 922 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,440 down. But if the threat doesn't go 923 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,520 away, the chronic inflammation and the war and that collateral 924 00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,640 damage never goes away. That's the average American body 925 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,160 from fetal life until old age now. 926 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,560 And all our symptoms in part are the collateral damage to being 927 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,520 bombed all day by immune activity. 928 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,240 And there's not a single doctor coming out of conventional 929 00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:16,760 training who has a mindset from their training. 930 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,000 They might personally have learned this stuff on their own 931 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:24,080 time to ask the question, what are bodies afraid of? 932 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:29,480 What is the body mounting a war against? 933 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,680 If we asked that question with curiosity and compassion, we 934 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,840 would all go down the road of looking at our world and looking 935 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:42,040 at what's in our food, water, air, homes, our stress, all of 936 00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:46,720 it, and realize our cells are afraid because the world has 937 00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:48,920 changed and we no longer know how to handle it. 938 00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,520 And so. Genetics haven't changed in the 939 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,920 last 50 years. Everything around us has. 940 00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,200 And so you get to this moment where you're starting to ask 941 00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,200 these questions and have these realizations. 942 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:08,160 Where did you go from there? Well, I, I discussed it with 943 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,720 people in my medical in the world that I was in of ENT and 944 00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:15,040 it was really met with intense disparagement. 945 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,200 Like you didn't go to medical school to be a nutritionist. 946 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:25,720 You know, a lot of worse things than that were said with profane 947 00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:29,680 language, but like, essentially like stay in your lane. 948 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,840 You're a surgeon like what are like. 949 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,720 Which is a huge part of the problem, right? 950 00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:36,360 Everyone's staying in their lane and not looking at the body as a 951 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,240 connected being. Yeah. 952 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,160 And I actually, it really, it wasn't just the department that 953 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:42,760 was resistant. I also found it was so 954 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,840 interesting that the patients were resistant because I would 955 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,400 kind of like in your fifth year of residency when you're chief 956 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,160 resident, you're just about to launch to be like a totally 957 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,680 independent surgeon. You have your own clinic 958 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,840 basically where you don't have as much supervision because 959 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,320 you're kind of like practicing the launch. 960 00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,120 And so I could do a little bit more of what I wanted. 961 00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,320 So I would talk to some of these patients about nutrition. 962 00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,400 And something interesting I found was a lot of patients 963 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,480 didn't really want to hear about it because they had come in with 964 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:12,840 their 250 pages of chart notes from 10 years of different 965 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,080 specialists, revolving door, different medications, nothing's 966 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:17,480 working. Everything's getting worse. 967 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:22,120 And they come to the office. And if you, this young medical 968 00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:25,840 doctor says to them, have you tried nutrition? 969 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,920 It's sort of like, are you effing kidding me? 970 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,440 Like, I'm, I'm debilitated. Like if nutrition was going to 971 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:34,840 work, someone would have mentioned it. 972 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:39,680 Like kind of like, how dare you? And so it made me realize like 973 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,880 even the patients who of course want the best of their lives, we 974 00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:48,720 are indoctrinated on every level of society to not believe that 975 00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:53,080 the simple natural things will work because we are just wedded 976 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:58,600 to glorifying technology and innovation as the answer. 977 00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,960 When in fact, actually gentler nudges are usually what is 978 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,400 needed in nature to make systems work better. 979 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,760 Not domination and control Med surgery, but actually like 980 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,760 multimodal holistic nudges. But because we were not born 981 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,160 into a world that values that, it's hard for a patient 982 00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,160 sometimes to even hear that recommendation because it's 983 00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,760 like, what are you talking about? 984 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,120 Like what's the next generation thing we can try, not what's the 985 00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,840 the simpler thing we can try. So there were of course patients 986 00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,760 who loved having more of a holistic minded resident doctor, 987 00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,600 but both in the department challenging the world view 988 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,240 that's not really accepted because if they have to, if they 989 00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:42,560 want to engage with me, they have to then in some way reject 990 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,840 their belief system. And for the patient, it's a 991 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:51,440 little bit of having to reject the identity of trusting what 992 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,440 all those past doctors had said. So what I came to realize is 993 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,800 like, well, first of all, that I couldn't practice in this system 994 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,200 because on every level being in that system, I knew I couldn't 995 00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,840 change it from within. I I just somehow knew inside my 996 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,360 body. I had to actually change it from 997 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,160 the outside. Some people warriors are inside 998 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,960 the system still academic doctors like a raw Lustig and 999 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,160 they're still fighting this from within. 1000 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,080 I knew I had to be. I was being so depleted from 1001 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:19,880 being in that system, I had to leave. 1002 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,320 So I started Co founded levels and I got trained in functional 1003 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,600 medicine and I ended up writing the book and all of this stuff. 1004 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,480 But but I do think what a lot of that brought up for me was this 1005 00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,720 is more than just, oh, I'm just going to tell people about a 1006 00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:35,200 great way that we can help people and everyone's going to 1007 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,560 accept it. No, this is actually about 1008 00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,720 people have to change their identity in a way and have the 1009 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:47,240 the sense of boldness and self trust to actually be able to 1010 00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:51,120 question what they've built their life on both patients and 1011 00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,280 clinicians to move forward. And that's scary. 1012 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:59,280 This is more of a tribe issue. So it's a different kind of 1013 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,240 strategy we have to take to move the world forward because it's 1014 00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:05,240 not just about like here's a great option, everyone come, 1015 00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:07,040 that's not happening. You see what's happening in the 1016 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,680 newspapers. We people talk about holistic 1017 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,960 health. They're called all right or, or 1018 00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,920 woo woo. This is happening because it's a 1019 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:20,280 threat to an identity system and a tribe and tribalism is 1020 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,080 hardwired into our, into our, into our brain stem and so. 1021 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,000 I think about that a lot. Like, what is it going to take 1022 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,520 for people to change their mindset on this stuff? 1023 00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,600 Because I see this with my parents and my grandparents. 1024 00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,240 Like when I first learned all of these things, I was like, 1025 00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:40,000 shouting it to the rooftops and probably not in the best way, 1026 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,520 but like, wanted everyone to do what I was doing and to, like, 1027 00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,360 abandon conventional thinking when it comes to health and 1028 00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,120 food. And I, I just thought that 1029 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,440 everyone I knew would be like, oh, wow, like, thanks for 1030 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,600 telling me. Like, yes, yeah, I'm going to 1031 00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,040 start like buying all my stuff at the farmers market and 1032 00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,120 getting morning sunlight. Like, why would I not? 1033 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,040 But that's not what that was met with. 1034 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:06,720 I mean, my parents now, like 10 years later, are really starting 1035 00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:09,920 to make a lot of changes. But it's taken so long and so 1036 00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,600 many conversations and then them learning their own things and, 1037 00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,360 and they've come so far. My grandparents still pretty 1038 00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,360 resistant still, you know, trusting the doctors fully. 1039 00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,720 So I wonder like if some of it is going to be just generational 1040 00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:26,600 changes. But what do you think that it 1041 00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,120 would take for people on like a massive scale to change their 1042 00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:38,360 thinking on this stuff? I think what I've seen happen a 1043 00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:43,240 lot is that people face personal adversity or adversity in their 1044 00:56:43,240 --> 00:56:48,840 families or communities that and they feel let down by the status 1045 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:53,720 quo and the systems that were told to trust and something in 1046 00:56:53,720 --> 00:56:57,480 them cracks open where they kind of are more open to a different 1047 00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,600 way. So that's what happened with me. 1048 00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,040 You know, I got sick. I saw my patients not getting 1049 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,880 better, my mom ended up dying of a preventable metabolic disease 1050 00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,280 and so for me it was like poof I'm in. 1051 00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,440 I'm now awoken into all of this and it can't go back. 1052 00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:17,160 It took my brother who's my co-author of the book when I 1053 00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:21,800 quit being a surgeon. Was so angry at me, so 1054 00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,200 disappointed in me, didn't talk to me for a while. 1055 00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,920 Just thought I was throwing away my life, thought I was burnt out 1056 00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:28,880 and this was emotional and such a. 1057 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,720 Different reaction from your parents, right? 1058 00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:36,000 They were so happy for you. But my brother was just so could 1059 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,520 not understand. But then my mom died and he 1060 00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:44,520 witnessed the broken health care system viscerally first hand. 1061 00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,520 Them really trying to like squeeze every ounce of profit 1062 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,520 out of my mom and her last two weeks of life for no benefit. 1063 00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,440 And for anyone who hasn't heard the story of your mom, would you 1064 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,960 mind sharing a little bit about that? 1065 00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:03,080 Yeah, so she she was essentially, you know, very much 1066 00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,480 I think represents what so many Americans are going through, 1067 00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:09,880 which is that she was like generally seemed like a healthy 1068 00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:14,400 person and was like very happy and like vibrant, but was 1069 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,320 actually racking up like tons of diagnosis. 1070 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:22,040 So like high cholesterol, high blood pressure, pre diabetes, 1071 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:28,720 gaining weight around her midline 50s, sixties, early 70s, 1072 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:32,240 just kind of racking up American diagnosis and was being seen by 1073 00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:36,480 great doctors at like Stanford and Powwatta Medical Foundation 1074 00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,160 and was kind of always at a doctor's appointment like, oh, 1075 00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,200 I'm going to see this doctor. You know, that's that's when you 1076 00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,160 talk to parents these days. It's kind of like everyone's 1077 00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:44,920 always going to a doctor's appointment, you know, So she 1078 00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,480 was going and she was following the recommendations and she was 1079 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,200 printing out everything she need to print out to bring the 1080 00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,080 appointment and filling all her prescriptions, taking all her 1081 00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,080 pills. And so she was kind of like 1082 00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,520 doing OK, but like nothing was getting better. 1083 00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,120 Like her pre diabetes wasn't going away. 1084 00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:59,760 Her hypertension wasn't going away her. 1085 00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,680 So she was following all everything they said to a letter 1086 00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,000 being the perfect patient, not really getting better. 1087 00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:10,280 Then all of a sudden she's 72, she has stomach pain. 1088 00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:15,360 She it lasts for a few days. She calls her PCP, they order 1089 00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,960 ACT scan and she has stage 4 widely metastatic pancreatic 1090 00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,320 cancer. And 13 days later she was dead. 1091 00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:25,880 And they literally were just like, Oh my God, we're so sorry. 1092 00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,920 This is so unlucky. All the doctors like just really 1093 00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,160 bad luck of the draw. And I'm just, you know, I knew 1094 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,440 enough to know. Like, no, it's not. 1095 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:36,720 And you were at what point in your career? 1096 00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,280 About two years after quitting surgery and so like just had 1097 00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,880 started levels and was like really just like on this path 1098 00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,560 and was working with my mom on trying to reverse her metabolic, 1099 00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,960 you know, issues the high blood pressure and cholesterol and all 1100 00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,800 that stuff. But it really was not working 1101 00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,000 very well, which now in retrospect makes so much sense 1102 00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,320 because fundamentally her her blood sugar issues, like her 1103 00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,880 pancreas was being destroyed by a tumor, like she couldn't 1104 01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:07,480 really make insulin and so. And the tumors were gigantic by 1105 01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:11,800 the time they showed up. And so, you know, by the time we 1106 01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,600 sort of really started intensively working on her 1107 01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,160 metabolic issues, I think most likely, she probably already 1108 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,840 had, like, a lot of liver dysfunction, a lot of pancreatic 1109 01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,920 dysfunction, all that stuff. It was kind of the cat was out 1110 01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,760 of the bag. But, you know, this idea that 1111 01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,560 these things like cancer and Alzheimer's just pop out of the 1112 01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:31,160 blue, it's just false. These are conditions on a 1113 01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:35,080 spectrum. They are branches of a tree that 1114 01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,040 usually have a lot of warning signs of branches that seem a 1115 01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:42,120 little bit less bad, like the depression and the PCOS and the 1116 01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,920 and the belly fat and the high cholesterol and the high blood 1117 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,480 pressure and all these things that everyone seems to have. 1118 01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,440 That's just branches on the same tree as cancer and Alzheimer's 1119 01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,760 and stroke and the things that are killing us. 1120 01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:00,200 And because we're not trained to see those connections, we're not 1121 01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,840 trained to look at root cause of Physiology or ask why. 1122 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,120 We're just trained to see everything is different, all 1123 01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,120 siloed, go to 10 different specialists and we're all good 1124 01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:09,240 here. We're all practicing good 1125 01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,880 evidence based medicine because that's the way it is. 1126 01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,960 I think genuinely to the oncologist and all these people 1127 01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,280 she was seeing when she got the diagnosis, they were like, yeah, 1128 01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,120 this is just out of the blue and surprising. 1129 01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:24,480 But that's because of the myopic, distorted lens we have 1130 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,960 about the human body that fundamentally is interlinked 1131 01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,760 with the broken business model that makes us see things as 1132 01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,600 separate. So my mom was a victim of the 1133 01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,840 the missed warning signs that we don't see because we don't see 1134 01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,960 the connections between the body and we siloed the body into a 1135 01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:45,840 million different parts. And what was interesting about 1136 01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,920 that, she only had 13 days between the diagnosis and her 1137 01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,560 death. What was so I think compelling 1138 01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,000 to my brother that really evangelized him to help me write 1139 01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:57,720 this book. And now he's become in his own 1140 01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:02,840 right, a total health warrior, is that the moment she had a 1141 01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:07,200 lethal diagnosis, it's like the entire healthcare system sprung 1142 01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:11,040 into motion. We had everyone calling us, no 1143 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,080 trouble getting appointments. It was like, we need a liver 1144 01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,320 stent, we need to do a transfusion, we need to do a 1145 01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,720 biopsy, we need to do a transesophageal this. 1146 01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,200 And it was. And it was sort of like, whoa, 1147 01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:27,120 like, where were you the last 30 years when she was like getting 1148 01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,240 sick to like, really be they? Were that would have happened 1149 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,360 with the first warning sign. When she was 45 and was starting 1150 01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,760 to gain a lot of belly fat, which we know is a sign of 1151 01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,840 metabolic dysfunction, insulin resistance, visceral fat, the 1152 01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,360 first step in the whole sequence that ultimately led to her 1153 01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,200 cancer. But no, no one was, you know, 1154 01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,280 they were just like billing her for each of the appointments 1155 01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,760 she'd come in for. But when he saw the way that if 1156 01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,520 she'd said yes to all this stuff, they basically said at 1157 01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,560 the last two weeks of her life, she probably would have 1158 01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,960 generated, I don't know, $500,000, a $1,000,000 for the 1159 01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:01,840 hospital. She ultimately said no to 1160 01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,880 everything because she actually, she's a very intuitive, very 1161 01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,840 spiritual person. And she kind of knew the second 1162 01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:12,200 she got the diagnosis that this was that she was actually that 1163 01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:16,480 this was a death sentence. And so she chose to do Hospice. 1164 01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,800 And we just hung out at home and had a beautiful 2 weeks. 1165 01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,680 And it was the most beautiful time of my life. 1166 01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,480 And that would have all been robbed from us if she just got 1167 01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,440 in sucked into the vortex. Not to say people should not 1168 01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:32,480 pursue therapy for cancer, but she had stage 4 widely 1169 01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,280 metastatic. Her liver and pancreas were 1170 01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,240 destroyed. Yeah, all of that has to be 1171 01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,920 weighed out with exactly your circumstances and also like 1172 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,040 where you're at and what you're feeling and what what you want 1173 01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,320 for your life. And her deep, knowing that she 1174 01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:45,920 was on her way out. Yeah, exactly. 1175 01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:49,080 So, yeah. So that's her story. 1176 01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,120 And that that is what it took to wake my brother up. 1177 01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:53,480 So to get back to your original question of how do people wake 1178 01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,520 up, I think a lot of people end up having personal experiences 1179 01:03:56,520 --> 01:04:00,000 or they're let down by these institutions of trust, and it 1180 01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,440 sends them on a learning journey. 1181 01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,960 And then I think for some people, you can get disappointed 1182 01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,920 by the institutions of trust, but because there's something in 1183 01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:11,640 their constitution that struggles to be a rebel, that 1184 01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:16,000 struggles to break away from the tribe, they actually doubled 1185 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,280 down on the system. And I think that's kind of what 1186 01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,720 we saw during COVID is it's like COVID was a disaster the way it 1187 01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:27,000 was handled, in my opinion. And some people doubled down on 1188 01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,680 their allegiance to that system. And some people said there's got 1189 01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,040 to be a better way. And so I think a lot about that, 1190 01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,800 like what are the factors of someone's internal beliefs 1191 01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:40,880 support that they have all these different things that make you 1192 01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:45,960 grip to something that's not working versus say, I'm going to 1193 01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:49,480 go out a little bit on a limb here and question and it's going 1194 01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:53,360 to be scary, but I believe there's actually a better way. 1195 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,600 Yeah, it's like you mentioned COVID and I think that made a 1196 01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:02,000 lot of people feel fearful and and people either went one way 1197 01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,480 or another, like I'm going to do something different. 1198 01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:06,640 I'm going to take this into my own hands and do something 1199 01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:10,480 different or kind of double down on the status quo. 1200 01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:11,720 Recommendations. Right. 1201 01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:17,640 Yeah. So but I think there's something 1202 01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:20,120 that's got a shift here in our culture and I don't have the 1203 01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:26,880 answer where people can feel safe both respecting the good 1204 01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:32,880 parts of the medical system and also seeking holistic 1205 01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,600 preventative care maybe outside the system and a yes and 1206 01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:40,760 situation where it's not a religion like we're either fully 1207 01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:45,600 a leads to it or not. Like I think with technology and 1208 01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,320 algorithms and a lot of the way our media works today, 1209 01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,480 polarization is sort of it is the business model. 1210 01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,320 We need attention. So we need to make people angry 1211 01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,160 and scared and fearful. And what that does is it gets 1212 01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:00,400 people gripping to different things. 1213 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:08,160 But like a return to nuance and trusting people to weigh pros 1214 01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,720 and cons and make decisions and sort of moving away from 1215 01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:14,480 tribalism and coercion and black and white and polarity, I think 1216 01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,320 is, is where a lot of the future needs to go. 1217 01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,200 I mean, that's the vision I, I would, I hold for the future 1218 01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:23,320 because everything with nature is nuanced. 1219 01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:24,840 Everything with health is nuanced. 1220 01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:28,640 So we need to get back to, to feeling comfortable with the 1221 01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,720 Gray because life is Gray. Life has risk. 1222 01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,200 We're going to die. You know, there's no real 1223 01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:37,560 security. And so I mean, I do think 1224 01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:39,240 there's real security and spirituality. 1225 01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:41,240 And I think that's also a problem with our culture right 1226 01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:45,240 now is people don't have a really stable footing like in 1227 01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,600 something bigger than themselves to then be able to live in the 1228 01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,560 world in a way that they can accept Gray. 1229 01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,280 That's why we grip to things like the healthcare system. 1230 01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:55,760 And so I just think we're in a moment of real interesting 1231 01:06:55,760 --> 01:07:00,320 evolution for humans right now, and I'm hoping we all go in a 1232 01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,120 good direction, you know? Absolutely, yeah. 1233 01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:07,120 And we're obviously we're up against so much, our our bodies 1234 01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:08,480 are up against so much these days. 1235 01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,120 But there are still practical steps that we can take to 1236 01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:12,920 improve our health and well-being. 1237 01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:16,280 And in the book you talk about the six, I think it's the six 1238 01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,400 principles of good energy eating. 1239 01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:20,920 Can you talk to us a little bit about that? 1240 01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,440 Yeah. So, you know, in the book I just 1241 01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,760 talk really about a framework for thinking about food more 1242 01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,200 than just like, oh, it's this thing that we put in our body 1243 01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,800 and it's we got to eat each day. But like, really thinking about 1244 01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,160 like, what is food? Actually? 1245 01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:37,720 It's miraculous. Like it's this crazy substance 1246 01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:42,840 that's alchemized between the soil and soil microbes and the 1247 01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,800 sun and trees that create oxygen. 1248 01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,480 I have. We've got a dog visitor. 1249 01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,880 What a tree. Oh my God, that is so sweet. 1250 01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:54,960 Look at your face. Yeah, they're sweet dogs. 1251 01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:59,600 So all this alchemy happening that creates this substance that 1252 01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:04,800 goes into our body and basically 3D prints the next version of 1253 01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,200 our self because we're constantly turning over, you 1254 01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,080 know, like. Ourselves and everything, yeah. 1255 01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:15,600 People think like I'm Casey and you know, you're, you know John 1256 01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:19,560 Smith and like I'm this person for my whole life and you're 1257 01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:21,520 that person for your whole life. It's not true at all. 1258 01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:28,319 We actually 600 billion approximately cells die every 1259 01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:30,880 single day in each of our bodies and are reborn. 1260 01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:34,240 So this height whole idea of like we're alive and we're dead. 1261 01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:37,319 I'm me and you're you. It's actually a constant swirl 1262 01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:39,600 of transfer of energy. And part of that is by taking 1263 01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:43,840 this miraculous substance that is literally solar energy 1264 01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,840 transformed into physical matter that goes into our body to both 1265 01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:50,399 re 3D print our bodies of 5 minutes from now, a day from 1266 01:08:50,399 --> 01:08:52,920 now, a year from now, turning us over. 1267 01:08:53,319 --> 01:08:57,840 And then also chemicals in the food that totally transform our 1268 01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,840 genetic expression or cell signaling pathways, everything 1269 01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:02,040 about the way our body functions. 1270 01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:06,560 So food is both a messenger and a tool and also a brick to build 1271 01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,160 ourselves. And it's just kind of not how 1272 01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:10,439 we're taught to think about food. 1273 01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:15,920 And so with that, with that alchemical miraculous substance, 1274 01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:19,279 you can create the life you want, the body, you want, the 1275 01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:21,200 mind, you want, the neurotransmitters, you want the 1276 01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:25,640 hormones, you want the the state of being you want to be in, the 1277 01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,319 feeling you want to feel if you know how to use it properly. 1278 01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:32,359 So the way it kind of gets unfolded in the book is like how 1279 01:09:32,359 --> 01:09:38,640 to really work with food in a really beautiful, mystical way 1280 01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:43,000 to transform your life and to respect food in that way because 1281 01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:48,160 that food, everything in that soil is you of tomorrow and when 1282 01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:49,279 you. Think about everything that 1283 01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:51,399 you're putting in your mouth in that light. 1284 01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:54,560 It's like, why would you not want to put the most nutritious 1285 01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:58,040 foods possible that you can in your body if that is what is 1286 01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:03,000 influencing your your cells and your your body creating new 1287 01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:04,560 cells? It's like if we had that 1288 01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:07,960 perspective every time we ate a meal, I bet we would choose our 1289 01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:11,240 foods very differently. I but I think part of the 1290 01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:13,880 problem is we don't actually love ourselves that much. 1291 01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:17,400 There's a lot of self hatred and self talk. 1292 01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:22,360 I mean, our culture is built around not honoring, you know, 1293 01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,000 even our it's, it's so interesting. 1294 01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:28,040 Like I agree with you, but you have to really love yourself to 1295 01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:34,200 do that for yourself. And we live in a very you also 1296 01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:36,760 have to love the earth. There has to be this respect for 1297 01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:40,440 everything and I think. Yeah, we have to see how we fit 1298 01:10:40,440 --> 01:10:42,960 into into it all. As a cycle. 1299 01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,520 Right. But but we're so disconnected 1300 01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:49,080 and and then trained to kind of separate ourselves. 1301 01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:53,720 From that and we're born, you know, thinking we're broken in 1302 01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,120 some way. And I think part of the health 1303 01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,920 journey for me and the spiritual journey have intersected so much 1304 01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:05,680 and sort of this more understanding of like we are in 1305 01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:09,240 like in my perspective, it's like there's this ocean of sort 1306 01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:12,440 of source and a spirit and like each of us is sort of a wave of 1307 01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:16,160 that ocean that's constantly, you know, we're all connected. 1308 01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:20,680 And it's like when you see God in everyone and you see God in 1309 01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:24,200 yourself, I think you start to see this physical body as a 1310 01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,160 temple for connecting with that and you want to feed it good 1311 01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,640 food. But again, if we're just seeing 1312 01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,680 the body is this thing that's like here and we want some 1313 01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,880 thrills and some pleasure, and if it gets screwed up, we'll fix 1314 01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:37,520 it with medicine and then we're going to die. 1315 01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,840 So it doesn't really matter. It's harder to make that 1316 01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,120 commitment. But I think a real turning point 1317 01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:46,160 for me and the sort of people say, oh, isn't it hard to like 1318 01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:50,920 everyday, like eat the healthy stuff and to, to spend the time 1319 01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,080 going to this farmer's rocket. And it's like, it's not, it's 1320 01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:57,720 truly not for me. Because I've come to the point 1321 01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:02,160 in my life where I believe that this body, this physical body is 1322 01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:07,040 half of the duality of spirit and material that together help 1323 01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:10,640 us connect with everything in this precious lifetime. 1324 01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:14,320 Being conscious. So of course I want to, I want 1325 01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:17,320 to reach bliss and ecstasy and Nirvana and connect with God in 1326 01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:19,160 his lifetime. And so therefore I have to 1327 01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:21,800 respect the physical thing that lets me do that, which means I 1328 01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:22,960 have to put healthy food in my mouth. 1329 01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:24,760 And so to me, it's like it's so simple. 1330 01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:30,520 But if we're in that constant distraction industrial complex 1331 01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:32,680 on our phones and the computers and we're disconnected and we're 1332 01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,040 disembodied from our body, we're isolated and we're indoors and 1333 01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:36,600 we're not in nature. The average American spending 1334 01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:39,200 93% of their time indoors, we're not even outside seeing them. 1335 01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:43,640 The miracle of the tree, you know, and the the the sky, then 1336 01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:48,360 it's like it just undermines the majesty of it all. 1337 01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:52,200 And then we trash our bodies and then we have a fix medication. 1338 01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,680 And so it's like it's bigger than the food. 1339 01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:58,400 Yeah, We're not living into the fullness of what we've been 1340 01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,760 created for and what our how our bodies were intended to 1341 01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:05,160 function. I'm a Christian, and so that is 1342 01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,120 the lens with which I view the world. 1343 01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:11,240 And I think this is something that sadly has been avoided by 1344 01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,960 the church, even though to me the Bible is very clear about 1345 01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:18,120 like our bodies are a temple and our bodies are we're made in the 1346 01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:21,640 image of God. And all of these things that to 1347 01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:26,400 me make me want to steward my body to the best of my ability 1348 01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:30,880 and kind of TuneIn when things aren't right and and listen and 1349 01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:33,880 figure those things out, rather than outsourcing that to 1350 01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,200 pharmaceutical companies that don't have my best interests in 1351 01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,440 mind. I think that connection is just, 1352 01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:44,040 is so missing and we're really, things are not set up for us to 1353 01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:48,080 be connected, sadly. But but we still do have a say, 1354 01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:52,880 you know, and, and I think part of this part of the answer maybe 1355 01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:56,760 is like policy changes and, and things changing on that level. 1356 01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:00,360 But I also think that it's personal responsibility and 1357 01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,720 really taking ownership and doing what we can do within our 1358 01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,400 control to effect change in our lives. 1359 01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:11,720 Yeah, I agree. I think it's there are some 1360 01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:14,520 important political things they need to think need to happen 1361 01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:18,640 because the the magnitude of industry is so big now and so 1362 01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:23,000 just unchecked that there is actually potential for industry 1363 01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,880 to destroy life on planet Earth. And so there's some and I think. 1364 01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,800 Those less rebellious people that we were talking about, like 1365 01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:32,200 that's what I think will help those people maybe. 1366 01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:33,880 Cuz then the world will just be different. 1367 01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:35,360 And so the choices will be easier. 1368 01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:38,600 Like if you can get a Persimmon that doesn't have poison all 1369 01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:40,120 over it, that's better. That's great. 1370 01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:44,200 Like I would love to see Bobby Kennedy and all, you know, work 1371 01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:47,960 on that. But I do think it, it, it's, we 1372 01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:50,200 kind of forget, I think sometimes when we think too much 1373 01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:53,280 about like the importance of the election and the politicians and 1374 01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,920 this and that. It's like fundamentally, you 1375 01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:59,320 know, Kellogg's isn't going to exist if we don't buy Kellogg's. 1376 01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:03,640 We have that choice or whatever. You know, if if no one buys 1377 01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,880 another piece of non organic food, Monsanto's not going to 1378 01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:10,440 have a Goodyear, right? Like so it's we also have those 1379 01:15:10,440 --> 01:15:14,880 choices and you know, I think, but it's also more than just a 1380 01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:16,880 purchasing decision. I think it's also a decision of 1381 01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:18,560 how we're going to prioritize our lives. 1382 01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:21,720 Like are we choosing in this lifetime to go along with the 1383 01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:25,120 flow of the extraction industrial complex that wants to 1384 01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,080 take our attention and our health and our kids health and 1385 01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:31,320 keep us busy and distracted? Or are we going to actually say, 1386 01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:35,520 I understand that's how it seems like you climb the ladder in 1387 01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:39,920 America and get respect. But for myself and my family and 1388 01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,200 my children, we're actually going to do it this way. 1389 01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:46,320 And like that's a hard. But The thing is, there is a 1390 01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:48,720 tribe there too. It seems scary. 1391 01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:51,400 And yet you find the people who are doing that and then it 1392 01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:52,920 becomes a ripple effect, I think. 1393 01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,200 But you, when you were mentioning how that you're 1394 01:15:56,200 --> 01:16:00,280 Christian, I was, I was at this fascinating exhibit at the Getty 1395 01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:05,200 last weekend called Lumen, which is all about light imagery in 1396 01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:10,680 religious texts throughout like the past 2000 years. 1397 01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:14,480 And if you look at almost every religion, the spiritual figures 1398 01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:18,400 like Jesus or Virgin Mary, like they have the Halos. 1399 01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:21,360 And there's a lot of there's, there's a lot of imagery of 1400 01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,400 Jesus sitting on a rainbow like in ancient texts. 1401 01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:28,080 It's fascinating. And I just, I do think it's 1402 01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,800 fascinating to think about this relationship with light and 1403 01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:35,160 metabolism and health because there's something that people 1404 01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:38,800 knew like even before understanding their fraction of 1405 01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:42,520 light, that rainbows and sun and Halos and all of this. 1406 01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,840 And in a lot of imagery, it's like the angels have the most 1407 01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:48,680 sun rays around them and then the Saints have a little less 1408 01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:50,200 and then people have very little. 1409 01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:51,600 So there's something about light. 1410 01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:55,280 And when I think about it ties into health and metabolism 1411 01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:59,320 because I think and food because we just, I think we forget that 1412 01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:03,360 all the energy that we're extracting from food to fuel our 1413 01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:06,440 life force and our lives and our thoughts and our feelings, it 1414 01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,600 all comes from the sun. Photons come through space, 1415 01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:12,880 92,000,000 miles from space. And this miraculous process of 1416 01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:16,760 photosynthesis in the leaves of the plants converts that sun 1417 01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:20,360 energy to the energy and carbon to carbon bonds. 1418 01:17:20,440 --> 01:17:22,920 And then that becomes starches, which either we eat or the 1419 01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:25,480 animals we eat eat, and they convert into protein and other 1420 01:17:25,480 --> 01:17:27,920 things. And then we ultimately, in our 1421 01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:32,040 mitochondria, liberate what was the sun's energy into a form of 1422 01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:34,360 energy that can power our conscious experience of this 1423 01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:38,040 life and allow our mitochondria to then emit light back. 1424 01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:43,360 It's wild, but it is fundamentally there's something 1425 01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:50,040 here around food and light and spirituality and meaning that I 1426 01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:53,480 just, I, you know, I do think there's, it has to, we have to 1427 01:17:53,480 --> 01:17:56,400 bring some of these concepts of like the miraculous of all this 1428 01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:00,440 back into the conversation because I think it helps 1429 01:18:00,440 --> 01:18:04,080 motivate the deeper motivation for why we need to eat healthy. 1430 01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:08,080 It's not just to feel good, it's to actually embody, like you 1431 01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:13,160 said, our full potential as Transformers of cosmic energy. 1432 01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:16,400 So that we can then fulfill the purpose that we were put on this 1433 01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:18,000 earth to do. And that's different for all of 1434 01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,640 us. We used to say at primarily 1435 01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:23,160 pure, our slogan was nature is smarter than science. 1436 01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:27,000 And we don't really say it anymore, but I still resonate 1437 01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:28,800 with it so much. And you could, you know, you 1438 01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,360 could also say God is smarter than science, Like, and I think 1439 01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:35,120 we're really doing ourselves a big disservice by losing our 1440 01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:38,160 connection with nature. What do you think is at stake if 1441 01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:42,320 we don't course correct on this? I I think that the survival of 1442 01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:45,320 the species is at risk. I I mean I, I really do I. 1443 01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:48,640 Think, I mean, that's not that may sound crazy to some people, 1444 01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,600 but when you think about it, it's not. 1445 01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:54,280 I mean, infertility is going up 1% every year. 1446 01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:56,720 Sperm counts going down 1% per year. 1447 01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:59,680 Yeah, it's like. Life expenses going down every 1448 01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:04,960 year. Mass extinction event of other 1449 01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,560 animal or other life forms on planet Earth. 1450 01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:09,480 Happening right now, I think. Like what? 1451 01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,400 I think 30% of the world's biodiversity has been eliminated 1452 01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:14,440 in the past 30. Years. 1453 01:19:14,440 --> 01:19:18,400 So like soil being depleted? But also extension of animals 1454 01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,680 and fish and plant. I mean, there's, there's an 1455 01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:23,680 actual mass extension event happening right now on planet 1456 01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:26,520 Earth. On top of this, you know, birth 1457 01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,960 rates are also going down from a more cultural standpoint, in 1458 01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:33,880 part because I think people are feeling very disillusioned with 1459 01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,960 just the, there's people I, I know, maybe you too. 1460 01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,360 We're not having kids because they think the world is so bad, 1461 01:19:40,440 --> 01:19:42,840 which is, I don't actually believe the world. 1462 01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:48,800 I think the beauty is of our world is that things can change 1463 01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:52,080 in a second. Like any reality is possible, 1464 01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:53,840 right? We live in this quantum crazy 1465 01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:58,440 universe, and it is actually possible that tomorrow all 8 1466 01:19:58,440 --> 01:20:01,760 billion people on Earth wake up and say, my God, we've been 1467 01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:03,920 doing things wrong. We're gonna protect life on this 1468 01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,400 planet and we're gonna change everything that is a real. 1469 01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:10,160 It's probably not gonna happen, but it is a possibility. 1470 01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:14,880 And I look at things like COVID, where in the course of two weeks 1471 01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,240 the whole world changed. We all decided. 1472 01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,760 That because of fear and an unknown, we are going to lock 1473 01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:24,800 ourselves inside and wear masks. And I think what, like 90% of 1474 01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:26,480 the country got at least one vaccine. 1475 01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:30,160 Like when we decide to do something as a collective, we 1476 01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:31,400 can go big. True. 1477 01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:35,440 So how do we channel that energy towards a global awakening about 1478 01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:38,840 connecting with nature and respecting life on planet Earth 1479 01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,880 and then making our decisions stem from that has to happen 1480 01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:46,600 because if it doesn't, if the graphs continue as they're 1481 01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:50,320 continuing now, infertility, sperm count, life strength 1482 01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:54,720 decline, child neurodevelopmental disorders, 1483 01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:01,520 it's not just follow the charts. It's not going to go well also 1484 01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:05,000 if we keep extracting from the Earth in the way we're doing. 1485 01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:06,760 I mean, there's by some estimates, and you would know 1486 01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:11,600 more than I that we don't have that many harvest left if if we 1487 01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:14,680 destroy our topsoil the way that we're doing it with industrial 1488 01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:18,720 agriculture practices. And so it's sort of like it has 1489 01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:21,680 to change. And I think people are seeing 1490 01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:24,800 that. And that's why there's an 1491 01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:28,440 exciting thing happening right now where everyone seems to be 1492 01:21:28,440 --> 01:21:31,280 like wanting to move to a farm and go to far. 1493 01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:33,840 There is something happening and I think they're good. 1494 01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:35,880 You know, something I've been really interested in reading 1495 01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,600 more about right now is like the fall of the Roman Empire, 'cause 1496 01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:46,800 these like huge empires and huge amounts of the globe have been 1497 01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:51,680 wiped out in the past. It's not inconceivable and it's 1498 01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:55,480 probably often rude and hubris. So I think we have so much to 1499 01:21:55,480 --> 01:21:58,040 learn from indigenous cultures. I think we have so much to learn 1500 01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:00,600 from literally just being outside and observing nature. 1501 01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:02,960 I think one of the reasons we're so lost and we can't seem to 1502 01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,720 think our way to the answers is because we're indoors trying to 1503 01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:07,800 think of the answers when the answers are already in front of 1504 01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:10,120 us. I mean, I said this on Andy 1505 01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:13,240 Kubrin's podcast, but like, if there's just one thing people 1506 01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:16,800 could do to change the world, it's go outside more because 1507 01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:20,080 everything comes to you when you're outside. 1508 01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:24,040 Health, inspiration, awe, connection. 1509 01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,800 It's much harder to destroy all of this if you're spending time 1510 01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:30,120 with it, but we don't. I always say my my favorite part 1511 01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:32,960 of my day is like spending 10 minutes outside in the morning, 1512 01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:34,560 bare feet in the sunlight. Yeah. 1513 01:22:35,480 --> 01:22:38,240 And and there's this data coming out that, like many kids in 1514 01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:41,200 America, are spending less time outside than a maximum security 1515 01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:44,160 prisoner. How do we expect them to 1516 01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:48,360 understand the concept of ecosystem harmony if we're not 1517 01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,560 in the ecosystem? And just, like, feel like a 1518 01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:52,480 human being. Yeah, totally. 1519 01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:56,200 Yeah, and also all the things circadian biology, fresh air. 1520 01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:59,360 Our air is more polluted indoors than outdoors mostly, you know, 1521 01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:05,960 the fact that like this tree is creating the oxygen that we need 1522 01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:08,320 to survive. How could you possibly 1523 01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,000 indiscriminately cut down a tree? 1524 01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:12,320 It is literally our lungs outside of our body. 1525 01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:14,320 But we don't spend time with trees. 1526 01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:19,800 We don't even have a moment off our phones to meditate on the 1527 01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:22,280 connection between all of it. So we don't respect it. 1528 01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:25,680 And then we go to college and think we're being a world saver 1529 01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:30,480 for like creating super advanced carbon capture technology when 1530 01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:34,800 in fact that is not, you know, that's it's an isolated, linear, 1531 01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:39,240 masculine single variable approach to a multi dimensional 1532 01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:40,840 problem. But when you actually just spend 1533 01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:47,200 more time with the ecosystem, I think in a way like the answers 1534 01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:48,160 will come to us. Yeah. 1535 01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:50,640 We were talking about this before we started recording to 1536 01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:54,480 how healing is literally built into nature on every level. 1537 01:23:54,480 --> 01:23:57,920 Like it's such a gift to us to be able to go outside and like 1538 01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:02,240 have our bare feet on the ground and get flooded with these 1539 01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:06,080 negative ions, you know, and, and to combat and mitigate the 1540 01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:08,200 positive charge that we get from technology. 1541 01:24:08,480 --> 01:24:11,920 And then to experience sunlight, which regulates our circadian 1542 01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,480 rhythms, which have such a big influence on our hormones to 1543 01:24:14,480 --> 01:24:18,080 breathe in fresh air. Like nature's truly, it's such a 1544 01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,880 gift and it's so healing and it's like accessible to 1545 01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:24,880 everybody, but we are not taking advantage of it like we should 1546 01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:28,960 be. Yeah, yeah, I think, I think if 1547 01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:33,280 we so right now, yeah, average person spending 7% of the time 1548 01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:37,880 outside of the prisons of the four walls of our like we're the 1549 01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:45,800 reality is, is that for comfort and and prestige we've chosen to 1550 01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:50,240 self impose beautiful prisons. Our houses are lovely, but we 1551 01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:54,640 are literally inside 4 walls almost 100% of our time. 1552 01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:58,280 How crazy is that? We are free and we're choosing 1553 01:24:58,440 --> 01:25:04,480 to be to lock ourselves in a nicely decorated cage and then 1554 01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:06,440 we're sick and we're like, I wonder why? 1555 01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:11,880 And, and so I just, I guess a call and I'm sure I'm preaching 1556 01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:15,240 to choir with your audience, but it's like if we're spending 7% 1557 01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:18,480 of the time outside, which I think is probably high, a high 1558 01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:23,640 estimate, What if we moved out to 30 by doing podcasts outside, 1559 01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:26,440 by eating outside, by chopping vegetables outside, by opening 1560 01:25:26,440 --> 01:25:30,600 our mail outside, by putting our computer outside, by if we have 1561 01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:33,720 a restaurant doing a, you know, setting up a tent outside in the 1562 01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:36,360 parking lot and cooking out, like, get creative. 1563 01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:38,560 Rome is burning like it's time, right? 1564 01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,760 We gotta go outside. And we just spoke about a lot of 1565 01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:44,960 the reasons why that's helpful. But it's gonna take creativity. 1566 01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:47,000 It's gonna take looking weird. And then everyone is gonna come 1567 01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:49,480 along and love it so. And then, yeah, exactly. 1568 01:25:49,480 --> 01:25:52,880 And then you'll get used to it. It won't be this, like thing 1569 01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:54,160 that you have to think about anymore. 1570 01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:55,680 It'll just kind of be what you do. 1571 01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,440 And same with eating. I think, like, it's hard in the 1572 01:25:58,440 --> 01:26:00,640 beginning, switching the foods that you're eating, but then it 1573 01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:02,080 just becomes second nature. Yeah. 1574 01:26:02,440 --> 01:26:05,120 Yeah. Where do you see the future of 1575 01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:08,360 health going in America under the new Trump administration? 1576 01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:15,400 Oh, my gosh, I'm feeling so, so hopeful because of Bobby Kennedy 1577 01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:18,920 and his leadership. I mean, we just kind of 1578 01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:21,520 witnessed the most fascinating realignment of American 1579 01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:23,360 politics. I think maybe in American 1580 01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:24,840 history. I mean, I don't, I probably 1581 01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:26,880 shouldn't say that because I'm not an expert on American 1582 01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:29,840 history. But the fact that a Democrat who 1583 01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:33,680 ran as an independent joined a Republican who notoriously 1584 01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:36,160 hasn't cared a lot about health and the environment, but has 1585 01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:41,720 been very inspired by Bobby Kennedy's support. 1586 01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:45,160 You know, I think the way I see it is like, Trump really is 1587 01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:52,280 interested in in meaningful leverage and meaningful legacy 1588 01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:55,680 and impact. And even though maybe he doesn't 1589 01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:58,480 seem like a person who personally cares a ton about 1590 01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:04,320 health or the environment, Bobby Kennedy has created a wellspring 1591 01:27:04,440 --> 01:27:08,080 of support for all the issues. We're talking about regenerative 1592 01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,000 agriculture, the connection between human health and 1593 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:14,240 environmental health, you know, corporate capture of government 1594 01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:16,280 agencies that control environment and health and how 1595 01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:18,240 that's all causing a problem, all of that. 1596 01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:21,280 And you see, like, I don't know if you saw the Trump's 1597 01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:24,640 acceptance speech, but like when he mentioned RFK, everyone in 1598 01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:27,480 the crowd, thousands, people just started chanting Bobby, 1599 01:27:27,480 --> 01:27:29,560 Bobby, Bobby, Bobby. And so I think there's this 1600 01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:32,720 really interesting thing where you and Trump literally said, 1601 01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:36,600 Bobby Kennedy, you go wild, like don't touch the oil, but you can 1602 01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:38,840 do it. And it's like Bobby Kennedy's 1603 01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:43,720 been fighting water pollution, Monsanto vaccine injuries, all 1604 01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:44,720 these things. For SO. 1605 01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:49,600 Long for 3540 years and now. Before it caught on. 1606 01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:56,360 Before it caught on to his great detriment, Yeah, like being, I 1607 01:27:56,360 --> 01:28:00,680 think, viciously disavowed by people in his family, by people 1608 01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:03,440 in the world. And, you know, it's kind of like 1609 01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:07,840 the American moms and others who are like, this is not working. 1610 01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:10,240 Someone speaking for us. It's just been. 1611 01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:15,280 It's so fascinating to watch. But when I hear everyone says 1612 01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:16,800 how could you possibly be hopeful? 1613 01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:20,960 Trump doesn't care. Trump has said in the last 24 1614 01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:24,840 hours that Bobby Kennedy, who wants to support foundational 1615 01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:30,680 human health, medical safety and environmental environmental 1616 01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:32,200 health, human health, foundational health and 1617 01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:35,440 basically like corruption industry. 1618 01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:38,640 Trump has said he can go go hog wild. 1619 01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:41,800 And I'm like that. I just I was I was hiking 1620 01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:46,520 yesterday and I was like, what if, what if in three or four 1621 01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:51,000 years, like more of the food is just organic because of this? 1622 01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:54,160 Like I've never felt that before. 1623 01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:58,440 I'm like I'm in. It's just, it's like, I don't 1624 01:28:58,440 --> 01:29:01,120 know, I, I think I'm, I'm, I'm choosing to trust everyone at 1625 01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:04,640 their word, which is that I know what Bobby Kennedy stands for, 1626 01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:07,560 Trump said. He's basically got a lot of 1627 01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:10,200 power to do that stuff. What's going to happen? 1628 01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:12,760 I think I have a lot of reason to be really, really hopeful. 1629 01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:14,680 So. Yeah, I would agree. 1630 01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:19,040 I think it's so cool to see this thing talked about on a national 1631 01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:20,080 scale. Yeah. 1632 01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:24,400 And it's just proof that this is like resonating with so many 1633 01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:26,640 people. Like you mentioned the chanting, 1634 01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:31,600 you know, Bobby, like people, people want change in this area. 1635 01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:35,120 And it's just, it's exciting that it's even being talked 1636 01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:37,120 about. And we'll see what happens. 1637 01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:40,240 Hopefully a lot changes. I get a lot of emails, mostly 1638 01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:43,200 nice. So I'm not so nice to my sort of 1639 01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:45,680 like my responses to my newsletter and whatnot. 1640 01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:47,640 But I got a really interesting e-mail from a person that I 1641 01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:49,680 really appreciate it because it was the day after the election 1642 01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:53,600 and they said, Doctor Casey, I followed you for a long time. 1643 01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:58,360 I voted for Kamala. And I feel so sad this morning. 1644 01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:01,120 And I'm writing you because I trust you. 1645 01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:06,680 And I just am looking for like, can you help me feel, can you 1646 01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:09,360 help share with me why you feel hopeful today? 1647 01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:11,600 Because I feel dismayed and I respect that. 1648 01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:15,440 I think a lot of people look at Trump and where they've heard 1649 01:30:15,440 --> 01:30:17,360 certain things about Bobby Kennedy, and they're like, how 1650 01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,600 could anyone possibly want this for our country? 1651 01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:23,040 So it was this really good faith e-mail that was like, share with 1652 01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:28,760 me why you feel hopeful. And then she said, for instance, 1653 01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:31,720 one of the reasons I'm petrified is because Bobby Kennedy wants 1654 01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:35,000 to ban vaccines. And I just thought, Oh my God, 1655 01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:38,040 here's this wonderful person writing a beautiful e-mail, and 1656 01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:41,320 actually whatever information's been fed to her through the 1657 01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:46,200 algorithm has somehow said that Bobby Kennedy wants to ban 1658 01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:50,840 vaccines in America. That could not be further from 1659 01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:55,160 the truth. He wants vaccine companies to 1660 01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:57,600 have to report their safety data. 1661 01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:02,200 He wants there to be actual long term safety data for vaccines. 1662 01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:06,200 So we even have the information about the safety of these 72 1663 01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:11,280 shots going into kids. Never ever has he ever said he 1664 01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:15,800 wants to ban vaccines. Maybe wants to reconsider 1665 01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:19,920 vaccine mandates because of medical freedom, but I don't so 1666 01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:24,400 so it's just what was astonishing to me is the way 1667 01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:30,560 that technology, the algorithm, social media, the advertising, 1668 01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:35,520 the the sort of the advertising attention based business model 1669 01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:39,080 of media today where essentially we just need to glue people's 1670 01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:41,800 eyeballs to stuff and therefore distort the information to 1671 01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:43,920 create fear so that they'll click more. 1672 01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:46,760 It's like feeding them the information that they're fearful 1673 01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:48,600 about exactly going to latch on to. 1674 01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:51,160 And I'm like, I didn't, I haven't responded. 1675 01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:52,920 I get so many emails, I haven't responded. 1676 01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:57,640 But what I thought what was so interesting to me was like, if I 1677 01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:00,920 just shared with like her and then the millions of people who 1678 01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:06,720 represent her, what actually is being said, which is what parent 1679 01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:11,520 would not want good safety data that we could at least look at, 1680 01:32:12,480 --> 01:32:16,000 but we don't have it. I mean, so it's it's I think 1681 01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:21,200 we're in a fascinating. The information economy is rough 1682 01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:25,480 right now, and that's why podcasts are so valuable. 1683 01:32:25,480 --> 01:32:29,600 And I think also just having compassion, like we're each 1684 01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:32,160 seeing a different reality based on what's on our screens. 1685 01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:36,320 Yeah. So our reality may not be truth, 1686 01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:40,400 which is why I spent a lot of time meditating and praying 1687 01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:42,960 because I want to tap into a bigger truth, but also like 1688 01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:45,360 trying to see multiple different sides of the media. 1689 01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:49,520 On election night, my fiance and I watched Tucker Carlson's live 1690 01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:54,400 screen, Megyn Kelly's live stream, MSNBCCNN, Barry Weiss, 1691 01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:56,320 the Free Press, see a little bit of all of it. 1692 01:32:56,480 --> 01:32:58,160 It's all different. Yeah, same. 1693 01:32:58,200 --> 01:32:59,840 We're just clicking back and forth the whole time. 1694 01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:04,320 More, yeah, nuance, you know, and compassion and humility. 1695 01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:09,840 Yeah. And so, you know, I think I'm 1696 01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:14,560 very hopeful and I just what I hope for people listening and 1697 01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:18,880 anyone is that like, no matter how you feel about the reality 1698 01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:21,800 that's emerging this week with election week, like our 1699 01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,160 consciousness is probably the most powerful thing in the 1700 01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:28,920 universe. If we can all detach from the 1701 01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:32,320 distraction industrial complex, get off our phones a little bit, 1702 01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:36,080 find internal peace within because peace on earth starts 1703 01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:39,040 with peace within. And from that place of peace, 1704 01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:41,600 hold a positive high vision for the future. 1705 01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:44,640 I think that actually makes a much bigger difference than we 1706 01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:50,560 think. Negativity, cortisol, fatalistic 1707 01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:52,480 views of the future is not going to help anyone. 1708 01:33:52,480 --> 01:33:57,120 So just like I just think that if everyone can just create the 1709 01:33:57,120 --> 01:34:02,600 space for a positive vision, no matter what, I think we'll be 1710 01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:03,880 better off than if we don't do that. 1711 01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:06,480 So, and it's free and it's simple to do. 1712 01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:11,000 Just imagine, imagine that we can get right back on track, you 1713 01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:13,240 know, as a world. I think we can, but we have to 1714 01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:16,480 be able to imagine that that's possible, so. 1715 01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:20,560 What do you think are the first things that need to change in 1716 01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:25,360 order to impact our our medical system, our food system? 1717 01:34:25,440 --> 01:34:27,720 From a policy level or from an individual level? 1718 01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:29,560 Policy. Policy. 1719 01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:34,560 I think there's a couple high leverage things that would be 1720 01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:37,960 very useful. I think it's very odd that the 1721 01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:41,960 NIH, which is a taxpayer funded institution, that they're 1722 01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:44,760 allowed to have rampant conflicts of industry with food 1723 01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:47,560 and pharma. So there were 8000 major 1724 01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:50,480 conflicts of interest reported with NIH research over the past 1725 01:34:50,480 --> 01:34:54,000 since 2012. This just came out recently like 1726 01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:58,040 that. That clouds how researchers are 1727 01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:00,920 going to be doing. Is that so then what happens? 1728 01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:04,160 Are we going to be doing foundational, unbiased research 1729 01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:07,360 about American health or are we going to be looking for ways to 1730 01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:12,080 incorporate like a drug study or a you know, it it, it's, I would 1731 01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:15,000 not say it's bribery, but when you're getting money from an, 1732 01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:18,640 from a company, you have a relationship with them and that 1733 01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:23,120 does on even subtle relational ways impact how we think and 1734 01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:25,000 what we do. So get the care that the 1735 01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:27,560 Pharmaceutical industry is the primary source of funding for 1736 01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:29,200 clinical studies in the US, Yeah. 1737 01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:32,280 And so that has to have an impact on the outcome of those 1738 01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:33,400 studies. On what do you think gets 1739 01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:35,880 studied? Yeah, not just the outcome of 1740 01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:38,320 the studies, but also what gets studied. 1741 01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:41,400 Because there's there's so much less motivation to study things 1742 01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:43,840 that can't be patented, right? Yeah, yeah. 1743 01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:47,960 Like sunlight, like. Sunlight and like also, I think 1744 01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:50,800 we do need to like this is not policy, it's more individuals. 1745 01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:53,480 But like we also need a return to common sense. 1746 01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:56,920 I mean, no one in human history has ever needed a peer reviewed, 1747 01:35:56,920 --> 01:35:59,600 double-blind, placebo-controlled study to tell us not to be able 1748 01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:01,880 to process foods and to eat food that comes from ground that 1749 01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:03,280 doesn't have glyphosate all over it. 1750 01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:09,400 Like I don't need 10 more years of research to know that that 1751 01:36:09,440 --> 01:36:12,400 that our food being sprayed with £6 billion globally of 1752 01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:14,240 pesticides per year is probably not great. 1753 01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:16,320 Like these are killing chemicals. 1754 01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:19,200 You know, I was so astonished by the statistic. 1755 01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:20,880 Like people say, oh, pesticides are fine. 1756 01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:22,600 It's the dose makes the poison, this and that. 1757 01:36:23,080 --> 01:36:25,040 First of all, we've never looked at the cumulative effect of all 1758 01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:26,520 these things together on human health. 1759 01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:30,720 And 20% of suicides globally are done by drinking pesticides. 1760 01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:33,680 Isn't that amazing? Totally safe, but it's the thing 1761 01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:36,400 that throughout the world people are actually choosing to drink. 1762 01:36:36,480 --> 01:36:39,680 To kill themselves. 20% it's obviously an estimate, but that 1763 01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:43,040 is from a pure that's from a paper on pub Med can look it up. 1764 01:36:43,480 --> 01:36:47,360 So policy get the get the conflict of interest out of the 1765 01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:51,400 taxpayer funded research. Obviously like 2. 1766 01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:57,800 You look at the FDA, 75% of the FDA's drug budget comes from 1767 01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:01,240 pharma. Why are the people who are 1768 01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:04,840 regulating the companies getting paid by the companies? 1769 01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:08,000 It doesn't make sense. It's a federal organization. 1770 01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,320 We pay so many tax. I love that they're sheep. 1771 01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:12,120 This is This is the best day of my life. 1772 01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:15,080 Oh, they're right here. This is the best day of my life. 1773 01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:18,920 And we just got a new herd of sheep at the farm and so. 1774 01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:21,600 Beautiful they're. For anyone listening and not 1775 01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:23,880 watching, they're kind of like encroaching on the podcast. 1776 01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:26,680 They're like 10 feet away. They're so beautiful, so cute 1777 01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:30,520 babies. So, you know, I think keeping 1778 01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:34,680 these industries clean, yeah, if they're federal, federal 1779 01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:37,600 agencies, like they should be working just for the American 1780 01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:40,400 people. So that's like, I mean, we, 1781 01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:44,840 there's so many levels of it. We have to, we have to get the 1782 01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:47,800 corruption out of the USDA on the most recent food guidelines 1783 01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:49,960 for America. So they come out every five 1784 01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:56,040 years, 2020 to 2025. Nineteen out of the 20 people on 1785 01:37:56,040 --> 01:37:58,440 the advisory panel that made those guidelines had a major 1786 01:37:58,440 --> 01:38:00,040 conflict of interest with the food industry. 1787 01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:03,640 We need people creating our food guidelines for America that 1788 01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:05,120 aren't being paid by the processed food industry. 1789 01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:07,880 Seems pretty obvious. That could be that could be 1790 01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:09,480 something that we change tomorrow. 1791 01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:15,560 The current USD, so 2020252025 to 2030. 1792 01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:19,040 The conflicts of interest, you can find them online with the 1793 01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:24,560 people making our guidelines are it's like a 10 page PDF document 1794 01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:26,400 just of the conflicts of interest. 1795 01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:32,000 This is insanity. We've unbiased people writing 1796 01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:35,880 our guidelines that aren't getting their mortgage paid by a 1797 01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:38,080 food company. Yeah, obviously. 1798 01:38:38,480 --> 01:38:41,720 And then the USDA. It's like, how does that, how 1799 01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:46,040 did it even come to be that way? It seem it seems very obvious, 1800 01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:49,000 like you said, that those are clear conflicts of interest that 1801 01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:52,040 should have never even happened. Yeah, it's wild. 1802 01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:56,240 And, you know, I don't want to be too inflammatory because I do 1803 01:38:56,240 --> 01:39:00,360 think conflicts are complicated. Like, I have a newsletter, my 1804 01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:02,520 newsletter has sponsors. Some of those sponsors are 1805 01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:04,960 supplement companies. If I were then asked to be on 1806 01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:08,560 the guidelines committee, people could theoretically say, oh, 1807 01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:10,680 well, you're really into supplements. 1808 01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:15,800 And, and so I, I do understand how it's messy. 1809 01:39:16,240 --> 01:39:21,200 It's and, and we all create a story for why it's, it's OK. 1810 01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:24,600 Like I'm sure there are researchers who are good people 1811 01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:29,560 who are like, well, if Dan and Yogurt and Barilla Pasta, two 1812 01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:32,920 companies that funded the Tufts Nutrition Compass research 1813 01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:35,440 that's helping to guide our food guidelines. 1814 01:39:36,440 --> 01:39:40,320 So the lead author on that is has multiple relationships, 1815 01:39:40,440 --> 01:39:42,680 financial relationships with companies like Dan and Barilla 1816 01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:46,240 Pasta. Well, from his perspective, just 1817 01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:50,120 to kind of like have the best possible good, assuming good 1818 01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:52,680 intent, it's like, well, I have to do this life saving research 1819 01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:56,280 for people on nutrition and these companies want to fund my 1820 01:39:56,280 --> 01:40:00,280 research and they're not going to influence what I'm doing. 1821 01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:03,760 So like, yeah, I'd like to take money from, it's like Robin 1822 01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:06,200 Hood, take money from the big industries and do foundational 1823 01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:08,880 nutrition research. But what I think we're seeing, 1824 01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:12,280 and we've actually seen this in the data that food studies 1825 01:40:12,280 --> 01:40:15,680 sponsored by industry almost invariably have a more 1826 01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:19,400 favorable. Result about the food that's 1827 01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:22,400 sponsoring it then if it was done without sponsorship from 1828 01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:24,480 the food industry that they've shown this with sodas. 1829 01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:28,280 I think it's like 90% of studies on sugar sweetened beverages 1830 01:40:28,280 --> 01:40:32,920 show no harm and like 80% or something of the independently 1831 01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:35,080 studied funded studies show harm. 1832 01:40:35,080 --> 01:40:38,320 So there's this huge thing that happens that, that, that's a 1833 01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:40,080 stat from my book. And I, I got it a little bit 1834 01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:41,920 wrong, but it's, it's somewhere around that. 1835 01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:44,920 So you got to get the conflicts of interest out of the USDA food 1836 01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:48,840 guidelines, which then dictates the USDA school lunch program, 1837 01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:53,120 which feeds 7 billion meals per year to children. 1838 01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:58,520 And right now the food is so bad, you see the images online 1839 01:40:58,520 --> 01:41:00,360 of like, what's an American school lunch? 1840 01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:04,720 There's now the USDA just formed broker to deal between Kraft 1841 01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:07,360 Heinz and the school lunch program to get lunchables in 1842 01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:10,640 schools. This stuff is not real food. 1843 01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:13,480 You look at the ingredients, it's like, I cannot believe this 1844 01:41:13,480 --> 01:41:15,440 is what we're fueling the future of America with. 1845 01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:19,120 So I would say corruption, or I don't even want to say 1846 01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:24,080 corruption, conflicts of interest out of the FDAUSDANIH 1847 01:41:24,200 --> 01:41:26,360 and of course CDCEPA, all those things too. 1848 01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:31,080 But those 3 really important. And how, how long would it take 1849 01:41:31,080 --> 01:41:33,600 to disentangle all of that? I'm not sure. 1850 01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:36,080 I think I, I don't know. I think it'll, it'll take a 1851 01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:38,640 while, I think. But I think that the reality is, 1852 01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:43,560 is that when you have leadership at the top political level, even 1853 01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:48,240 starting to implement this stuff and starting to put the voice to 1854 01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:53,720 power of these things, what it does is even before maybe the 1855 01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:55,960 research findings change or whatever. 1856 01:41:56,680 --> 01:42:01,760 What it does is it helps people feel permission to be more a 1857 01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:05,080 part of this tribe that takes their power into their own 1858 01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:08,800 hands. So it creates a bigger tribe, it 1859 01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:12,120 creates more power in the tribe that's doing things a little bit 1860 01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:14,600 differently. So I think you'd see more if 1861 01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:17,240 you're if you're starting to talk about it and start to enact 1862 01:42:17,240 --> 01:42:20,840 things at the top, it gives permission to other people to be 1863 01:42:20,840 --> 01:42:24,560 that person who's sort of like, yeah, it's going to take a while 1864 01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:26,480 to get, you know, the pesticides out of the food. 1865 01:42:26,480 --> 01:42:29,800 Or maybe if the farm bill changes and we start to put more 1866 01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:32,040 money towards regenerative agriculture grants, maybe that's 1867 01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:34,960 going to take five years before those farms actually convert 1868 01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:36,320 from conventional to regenerative. 1869 01:42:38,240 --> 01:42:42,080 Exactly All that that's federal. But in the meantime, the country 1870 01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:46,840 is now talking about why that's important and not being gaslit 1871 01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:49,080 by the top to say it doesn't matter. 1872 01:42:49,160 --> 01:42:52,720 So that's how I think the change would happen, almost like in a 1873 01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:56,480 they'd talk to each other bottoms up, top down, and that 1874 01:42:56,480 --> 01:42:58,720 would accelerate and catalyze progress. 1875 01:42:58,720 --> 01:43:00,280 Yeah. No, I think that's key. 1876 01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:04,960 I think that does give people permission to then go there like 1877 01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:08,880 mentally and and and start to live that way. 1878 01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:12,160 And it doesn't feel so different than it feels kind of like more 1879 01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:14,440 mainstream and and comfortable, I guess. 1880 01:43:14,440 --> 01:43:15,440 Totally. Yeah. 1881 01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:21,040 Well, I think you are just a, a huge part of, of making people 1882 01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:25,440 feel more normal in living this way and, and more, and I don't 1883 01:43:25,440 --> 01:43:29,720 know, less weird, I guess. And that takes a lot of bravery 1884 01:43:29,720 --> 01:43:31,520 and courage. Like the things that you're 1885 01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:36,120 sharing and just the, the information and soundness that 1886 01:43:36,120 --> 01:43:39,320 you're putting behind this message is like for so many of 1887 01:43:39,320 --> 01:43:42,880 us, it's like finally, like finally someone is giving a, a 1888 01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:46,800 voice to these things that like we have felt and known for so 1889 01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:50,760 long, so eloquently. And then also so many people who 1890 01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:54,360 are hearing this for the first time are really resonating with 1891 01:43:54,360 --> 01:43:56,480 it. And I just, I really appreciate 1892 01:43:56,480 --> 01:43:59,840 what you're doing and I'm so thankful for what you're doing. 1893 01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:01,840 So thankful to have you here on the podcast. 1894 01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:06,640 And I'm sure it hasn't been easy at times to to to kind of be on 1895 01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:08,680 the forefront of this movement, but. 1896 01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:11,560 Like it's, it gives me the opportunity to meet people like 1897 01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:14,400 you, which is so exciting and you're on the ground doing all 1898 01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:17,960 the work and then with this podcast and to be doing, you 1899 01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:21,120 know, what you're doing with your podcast and being outdoors. 1900 01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:23,080 It's like, it's exactly what you're saying to me. 1901 01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:26,640 It's like you're creating a vision that people can then 1902 01:44:27,120 --> 01:44:30,520 emulate of like, oh, I could work outdoors, I could have a 1903 01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:33,160 podcast outdoors, so. I think that's a good take away 1904 01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:35,280 from this podcast. Like, what are you doing indoors 1905 01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:36,480 that you could be doing outdoors? 1906 01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:39,000 Yeah, if if you just did that, that would make a big 1907 01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:41,560 difference, I think if everyone just changed that one thing. 1908 01:44:42,200 --> 01:44:45,360 Well, thank you so much. Where can people follow along 1909 01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:49,200 with you and learn from you and buy your amazing book? 1910 01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:53,320 Well, the number one thing I would love for people to do is 1911 01:44:53,320 --> 01:44:55,760 sign up for my newsletter cuz I just go. 1912 01:44:56,080 --> 01:44:58,440 I just basically sit down for 20 hours a week and write 1913 01:44:58,440 --> 01:45:01,280 everything I'm thinking about totally unfiltered in my 1914 01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:02,680 newsletter. 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