When you are running out of stem cells in your 80s, you have 1/5
of what you had in your 40s. Literally is dropping off a
Cliff. That's why people are getting
all these wrinkles. Today on Grounded Wellness, we
are joined by Doctor Joy Kong, a UCLA trained triple board
certified stem cell specialist leading a revolution in
regenerative medicine. It's one of the safest therapies
there is. She demystifies the stem cell
phenomenon and explains how stem cells can help with everything
from autoimmune conditions to skin health.
They're anti-inflammatory. They can also kill off cancer
cells. They are antimicrobial.
This episode might change the way you see your own health and
aging process. Let's dig in.
Doctor Joy, thank you so much for coming out to the farm.
Yes, Bethany, so happy to be here.
It's amazing. I've never done barefoot
interviews before. I know it's usually a first for
most people. I'm so excited to talk to you
today because I know very little about stem cells and this is
your area of expertise. So I want to start at a very
basic level. What is a stem cell and what is
all the stem cell hype about? Yeah, so people make stem cells
sound so mysterious and. And really all you have to think
about is all the way back to when you were conceived.
So when your mom's egg meets your dad's sperm and there is a
light spark and that the two come together form the first
stem cell. So you were once a single stem
cell, and from that single cell, by act of design, you knows how
to multiply, how to migrate, how to gain new functions and start
to form new structures, eventually forming you and each
one of us walking miracles. So within each stem cell or
really and any cell in the body, there's adna which contains the
intelligence of the whole formation of life.
Exactly. But what what's unique about
stem cells is that it's wide open in its ability to form any
cells. So any of our cells actually
contain all the information, right?
The DNA. So you can revert it back to the
embryonic state. There are ways of doing that.
So they will be able to have all the potentials.
However, coming from that fertilized egg, that will have
the ability to form different layers of this embryo and each
layer will have all these stem cells that start to gain new
functions and form new stem cells that that's gaining more
functions. So each time when the cells
evolve, it can gain function. But the moment you gain
function, you lose potential. So you can't have the, you know,
both worlds. So either you become
specialized, you are, or you're a generalist that's full of
potential. So the earlier the stem cells
are during the path of forming a full human, the wider the
potentials are, but the further down the road it loses the
potential and gain function until at the very end you form
all the organs, right? Your heart will have heart
muscle cells. That's actually working is no
longer a stem cell, it is a working cell.
But before it becomes a working cell, there's heart muscle stem
cells, the only function of the heart muscle stem cells to
become a heart muscle cell. And that's the the very last
stage of a stem cell. But everywhere before that and
all the way along, we don't know how many steps there are.
It's a continuum and it could have 1000 variations until you
find one to you give birth to the final working cell.
So anywhere along the line is a stem cells.
So when people say stem cells is it's not a one thing.
Is everything before the working cells formed?
OK. And that's really the magic of
stem cells is that it's, they're these cells that are able to
create healthy cells that are different types of cells that
have different functions within the body, like for repair, Like
if if your knee is injured and you inject stem cells into your
knee, those can help to like heal that that type of tissue or
depending on where you use. Them there are different types
of stem cells, so depending on what kind you're putting the
body, if you're putting the into the body cells, they're only
meant to form more immune cells and they may not be the best
cell type to put in your knees right different.
Types of stem cells that you use for different like difference.
However, there's a very special group of stem cells called
mesenchymal stem cells. They are everywhere in your
body. So these are not quite specific
to different organs or different lineages, but they are there
along your blood vessels somehow carrying the task of
coordinating regeneration in your body.
So they are like the vanguard of, of what you know to detect
what's going on in your body and then to organize activities.
So is that the type that you would use in an IV infusion and
then they just kind of go where they need to go?
That's very popular that is one of the hottest cell types right
now doesn't mean that's end all be all, but right now that's
it's one of the gold standards. So I do use that in our clinic
because they have multiple functions.
So OK, just by the fact that they are in your along your
blood vessels, they're trying to sense what's going on your blood
and also sensing what's going on in the neighborhood, right where
they're living. But if there's a big signal
floating through your blood, let's say someone got a crush
injury, right, big accident and then the tissue got injured and
that area was send all these big SOS signals and the cells that
are along the blood vessels will sense these signals and then
they can squeeze themselves into the blood vessels to find where
the signal is allowed loudest. Once they're there, they will
squeeze themselves out and start to recruit the body to help with
repair. So that's the the mesenchymal
stem cells, but they their functions.
So, you know, multi has multitude of functions.
They're anti-inflammatory. They help your immune system to
shift into a more anti-inflammatory state, so they
really help a great deal with autoimmune conditions and they
can protect damaged tissue to prevent them from dying.
They can also kill off cancer cells.
They are antimicrobial, so they can help you fight infections.
Wow. And, and they can help you
generate new blood vessels. So there's a.
Sign me up. I know it's the one, you know,
you can put one cell in the body and they does they do all this
for you. That's why it's really fun to
help people using stem cells because you don't need to do a
whole lot. As a doctor, I'm giving you one
thing that's like a pharmacy. So instead of giving you one
drug or two or three, I can give you this one cell that's going
to give you 500 different signals.
And it just works with your body's own innate repair
mechanism. Exactly, and it's going to
tailor what it gives you based on what your problem is.
So with these cells, they know where to go based on what your
body needs. They do, yeah.
They trace signals. And from what I understand,
there are two different types of stem cells in terms of
autologous from your own body or allogenic which are from a
donor. Can you explain the difference
between the two? Yes, that's one of the
categorizations is that you can use cells from somebody else or
use cells from yourself. There are also people who are
doing Zeno transplants which using from other species, from
other animals. So that I don't, I am not a
proponent of, but if you just talking about humans, you can
get cells from somebody else or yourself.
So the very first stem cell treatment was actually a
transplantation from one person to another.
That was bone marrow transplant. So that was the very first stem
cell therapy. So that's between 1:00 to
another and usually requiring some kind of matching because as
adults you and I would have differed so much in so my stem
cells would carry so much of my signal that it can trigger
problems, either attack you or your body attack it.
So there's mutual exclusion in a in a sense, but you can use
younger sources that doesn't trigger that much reaction.
It's very fascinating. Young cells somehow adapt to
another human much more easily. So that's the that's allogeneic.
So using somebody else aloe right from another person, the
autologous is using your own. So you can definitely harvest
your own stem cells and put in places where you think your body
really needs it. And that is, you get that from.
You can get from fat from bone marrow.
Fat, bone marrow would be a two major sources.
How do you get it from the bone marrow?
If you drill into the bone, Oh my gosh.
So people lie on their side. You you drill into the hip bone
usually. Do you do that in your?
I don't, I don't think that's a good way of, I don't think it's
a best way of helping patients. You can certainly do that.
You may have good benefits when a person's younger because their
stem cells are more still more potent and, and healthier.
But if you're older, first of all, your number of stem cells
has declined drastically and the quality of your stem cells also
is just, is there, there's no comparison.
You know, I, I've shown people the, the, the data, what happens
when a person gets older? And, and another problem is as
you get older, your cells also lose intelligence.
So your cells when it's younger could recognize cancer cells,
but when it gets older, somehow it forgets.
It's like it's losing its abilities, memories of detecting
cancer. So it can cause cancer cells to.
Proliferate then it simply doesn't attack it because if I'm
giving you umbilical cord MSE mesenchymo stem cells, these
mesenchymal stem cells will attack your cancer cells and
basically tell them to go on program cell death so that they
open and die. But if you use your own, the
older you are, the less stability they are at
recognizing these cancer cells. So there's direct research
comparison between cancer stem cell, between the FAD derived
Ms. ES and of local core derived Ms. ES.
They put them next to cancer cells.
So they put in a brain, brain tumor.
So glioblastoma, they put it either on the Petri dish or on
the live animal's body, planting them next to the tumor.
So in both cases either Petri dish or animal's body, the tumor
that's next to the fat derived stem cells kept growing and
growing, getting bigger and bigger, whereas the tumor next
to them local cord derive stem cells get smaller and smaller
start to go away. Why is this not being used in
the oncology world? Moment, you mentioned oncology
that we're touching upon a particularly sensitive subject
in medicine, we call it a big C word.
So when you mentioned the C word, then a lot of existing
interests are touched upon. So there is inherent resistance.
I don't know if you know, cancer is big business.
People make a lot of money from these cancer drugs.
So there's not that much incentive to use something
that's natural that is actually going to have a profound effect
on either the prevention or the the recovery from cancer.
So there's not very much. There's.
Not much support and actually active suppression.
So in in our integrated medicine world, we know a lot of doctors
who are doing more integrative approach, advocating a more
natural ways of treating cancer have mysterious mysteriously
passed away. So, so there, there's a lot of
resistance. However, there is active
research on using these stem cells to treat cancer and there
have been a lot of published articles because maybe the
Research Institute is not having the same type of resistance.
However, when it comes to the the real world, it's a different
matter. But even for research, I you
know, the the support probably will be also somewhat limited.
However, even with that, there's a lot of research showing great
benefits. Is there less resistance in
other countries? Like is it just America who is
more so suppressing that idea and it's more widely available,
like stem cell therapies to help with cancer in other countries,
or is it kind of suppressed across the board?
I think there's a lot of fear in the whole conventional medical
world about this new technology, but some countries are a little
bit more go, go forward actually faster, to be honest. the US is
doing pretty well as far as doing research.
Countries like China also is right up there.
China, Japan, they're all doing really well as far as research.
But when it comes to resisting conventional therapies, there's
no, there's a lot of resistance in the US, partially because the
the big pharma are very, very powerful country.
I just ask that because I know a lot of people who have gone to
Mexico or Costa Rica for stem cell treatment and I'm just
curious like what what they're doing there that we're not able
to do here? Or is it just that it's cheaper
over there and that's why people are going?
It is cheaper and the regulation is a little bit more loose.
And also the enforcement is not, not, not very strong or, or not
carried out very much, you know, there's just not much for
enforcement. So a lot of people feel much
more comfortable, things are a little bit easier.
Mexico traditionally has been more open to integrative
therapies. A lot of people actually are
going to Mexico for cancer treatments because they they are
rooted in their tradition that's using more natural approach.
You are more of a fan of using allergenic stem cells,
specifically umbilical stem cells.
What is the screening process for sourcing umbilical stem
cells? The sourcing will be different
for different companies. So my company Char Biologics,
the way we approach it, first of all, you have to adhere to the
same standard as the the standard set out by American
Association of Tissue Banks. So they govern tissue
transplants. So what we do is that we're
providing a tissue product. We're not making manufacturing
anything. We're just extracting from
nature, right? So we're not in a sense, we're
not making a drug. We're just getting a tissue
that's made in nature and then giving it to somebody else.
It's not that different from organ transplantation or blood
transfusion. So that really is not controlled
by the FDA, but there are standards, medical standards set
out by different medical boards and also there is American
Association of Tissue Banks and that sets out standard for how
you obtain tissue and how you process it.
So you have to really the the standards mostly concern of
infectious diseases. So the matching process that's a
whole whole other issue. But as far as getting the tissue
and putting another person's body, what's safe?
So they have certain pathogens that they have to screen for
that's HIV, hepatitis, herpes families and and there are also
a syphilis and Epstein Barr, etcetera, CMV.
So there's a whole set of pathogens that are screened for.
And those screenings happen like in a lab.
They're testing the actual tissue for this stuff.
Or how does that work? They can screen the donor and
then once they get the tissue, they will screen the tissue
itself. So they actually are testing to
see if there's any of these pathogens.
Is there a way to tell if the donor has been given the COVID
vaccine? That is difficult to tell by a
test, but the screening process. So we do have the screening
process by basically going through the medical records and
and asking the the mother so. And also, I've heard you say
that there is no payment for donating this tissue.
It's a donation. And so really, there's no
motivation to be deceptive from the the donor has no motivation
to lie in the screening process because they're not being
compensated. For it exactly.
And that's in the US, So can't speak for other countries
because I've heard of Russian women selling their aborted
fetuses. But but that that's that's in
other countries. I think they did that in
Ukraine. However, in this country, you
cannot give them even a token gift because that can be
conceived as buying the tissue. So it's strict donation.
And the mothers are screened for a very long list of things,
including their own health history, their family history,
their travel exposures, work history, toxic exposures, their
sexual history. They're Yeah.
So, so basically the, the environmental process or even
genetic, you know, a process has been screened for.
And once the tissue is obtained, they go through the pathogen,
the infectious diseases screening and also some, some
genetic disease screening. And we only accept mothers.
So our company only accept mothers who have not gone
through the COVID vaccination because of the concern.
There's a whole range of concerns that I'm just not
willing to put that potential risk, you know, pose that risk
to any of the people who are seeking longevity or recovery
from a chronic illness. So I'd use this product on
myself every three months. So I certainly don't want any
potential damage. And I, you know, to me is my
obligation to make sure that I'm not causing harm.
So COVID vaccinated donors are screened out and we only accept
US donors and only mothers who have elected to do C-section.
So we're not taking any mothers who are giving national births
because when the baby goes through the national canal, you
can imagine vocal cords, placenta, everything is mixed
with everything else that's in the national canal.
So there's a lot of contamination.
But the C-section it, you know, basically it's a surgical field.
Everything is sterile. And how can we be certain that
no babies are harmed in this process for for the umbilical
stem cells in the United States? I know you mentioned in Russia
that. Those are abortion aborted
babies. I don't know any doctor or any
laboratory that's actually producing any product that's
based on abortion or aborted fetuses.
We only take donations from live healthy births, which means the
baby is alive, healthy crying mother's holding the baby and
they cut the cord with the placenta.
Usually they're going to toss in the trash, right?
We just tell them, please don't toss in the trash.
Can we please use this to help people?
The mothers say yes. So that's no babies harmed
whatsoever. Actually, if the baby has any
problems, we won't even take the tissue because we're worried.
Yeah, you want to save it for the baby.
No, What's wrong with the baby? If the mother has a fever, we
don't take that tissue, OK, because we don't know what's
going on. There's two there's there's
risk. So the bubby, the mother has any
acute, if there's an acute or emergency C-section, we don't
take that. Why is there an emergency?
Some problems, right? There's some issues.
We only like plant healthy calm. Yeah.
So pretty meticulous screening overall.
Can you give us an overview of some of the most common
conditions that stem cells are used to treat?
Actually, I cannot use the word treat except for two separate
occasions where the FDA actually had given indications.
So when you say the word treat, that means that you're actually
obtained FDA approval. So if we're tailored telling our
language toward the condition, then FDA has to approve.
There are only two conditions FDA has approved for stem cell
therapy. One is for hemo reconstitution
which means replacing your whole blood system after person has
autoimmune disease or blood cancer, you can wipe out their
immune system and you form new immune system by getting bone
marrow donation or transplantation or a umbilical
cord blood transplantation. So that is FDA indicated.
The other one is acute graft versus host disease.
So that's when the graft can attacked a person's body.
So when an organ transplanted, so when there's acute issue in
pediatric cases, then you can use stem cells to calm down that
immune reaction. That said, research has shown an
incredible array of benefits for almost all of the organ systems.
This is, you know, where I teach my our doctors in the Academy.
I founded American Academy of Integrated Cell Therapy
specifically to teach them different evidence for different
issues. So from head to toe you from
brain diseases, there's you know, we've had great success
helping patients with Parkinson's, Alzheimer's,
traumatic brain injury, Ms. right, multiple sclerosis and,
or stroke recovery and and nervous system issues like
peripheral neuropathy. And we've helped people with
heart problems. So after heart attack or
atherosclerosis, right, the clotting of new arteries
throughout the body. And it's great for lung
recovery. I've helped multiple COPD
patients to do, you know, doing do very well and lung injuries.
We've helped a probably the first reported case of recovery
of a 9/11 responder, probably the first 9/11 victim to to be
to become pretty much free of lung disease after a lot of his
colleagues have died. He's in the New York Special
Forces and a lot of his colleagues in their prime in
their 40s have died after being the pit for months.
He was in the pit for eight months.
So he could barely go upstairs. He didn't know how long he had
to live. And we did stem cell therapy.
And now he's sprinting. He's got his life back.
He said he wants he wants to be the the the 1st 911 responder to
live to 100. That's amazing.
Was that with IV infusion? OK.
So maybe a better question would have been what can't stem cells?
Because traditionally I've always thought of stem cells as
something that maybe you get if you have like an injury.
And I didn't realize up until recently that some cells can
actually be used to treat autoimmune conditions and a
whole host of conditions that you mentioned.
You've also treated children with autism using stem cells
what kinds of or not treated but you've helped the children with
autism we. Treat patients.
We don't treat the condition. OK.
That makes sense.
What kind of changes have you seen there?
Going from nonverbal to start talking right?
Expressing themselves, communicating with parents from
not being continent to being able to control their bowel
movements and, and telling parents, you know, PPE or, you
know, start to, to, you know, making life a lot easier and
better eye contact, better rapport, right.
Social interactions and being able to, to advance academically
better. So comprehending, doing
homework. And then a lot of it's also
social interaction, being able to work, you know, cooperate
with our peers. So becoming more of a social
member. Yeah.
So the, the, the connection, the human connection.
And that's the part I think that means a lot for our parents.
But any, any gain? But we've seen a lot of gains in
yeah, just improving. And even their physical
condition. So sometimes they have
discomforts. And of course we do.
We help everything all at once. And the beauty about stem cells
is that it helps multiple issues all at once.
Like there's one child, he had a lot of gut issues, colitis, and
that was causing some of this agitation.
And also, you know, it's raging autoimmune issue basically.
So now we, we helped his, his gut repair through stem cells
and, and peptides and also certain nutritional supplements.
So he's doing, his gut is doing better and then his ability to,
to, to socialize and to perform is, is better.
So it's it's all tied in together.
Amazing, yeah. It makes sense, but I was
telling you about different organs and people.
Yeah, musculoskeletal. When you, when you talked about
repair, that's like the bread and butter of stem cell therapy.
And that's, that's like, of course we know that, we know
that one works, but for different organs, you know,
liver, we can talk more about, you know, other conditions, but
just about every organ that we we've worked on.
RFK Junior has posted that he utilizes stem cells for a
neurological condition called spasmodic dysphonia, which is
his voice condition. How have you seen stem cells
work in reversing neurological disorders like that?
That particular condition I, I don't know, you know, we have to
know what, what's causing that. So I'm not sure of how, how well
he has responded. So different conditions may
respond differently and some are a little bit more entrenched.
So for his condition, I mean, it's not easy, the nerve,
there's some nerve damage for whatever reason, whatever that
caused it. The same thing with people with
nerve injuries, let's say in their ears and their hearing,
their eyes. But I've seen really, really
I've seen some evidence of hearing repair and evidence of
vision repair. So even I, we had a patient
which was really remarkable. This patient had I optic nerve
damage when he was nine years old during a brain surgery.
They were trying to, I think take out a brain tumor and they
damaged the optic nerve. So he was blind in one eye, but
with one IV infusion. When we followed, followed up
with him like about a month later, he's starting to see in
that eye. So, so that that was I think 49.
Yeah, that's 40, 40 year old injury and to be able to
actually start seeing to me is something that's just
incredible. I would have never guessed as a
doctor, we do tend to be more conservative.
I mean, we're hopeful and and, you know, we try to be
optimistic, but there are certain things that you just
don't want to give false hope for, right?
If somebody has been blind in the one eye for 40 years, you
don't tell them. Yeah.
I think with stem cells, you can see that he started seeing.
So there are things that that are just are thrilling for a
doctor to see. Yeah, I'm sure.
Are stem cells being used yet to support women's hormones or
fertility? It hasn't been used that much,
but I've seen that. I mean, I've seen that in
myself, you know, at my age, we can talk about that age, you
know, I'm still menstruating, right?
So and I've seen actually patients getting stem cell
treatments and then improving in the hallmarks of reproductive
health at the AMH. So that tells you about your
ovarian reserve and actually improving.
So significant increase after stem cell therapy.
And I've definitely seen people getting pregnant, you know,
after having difficulty conceiving for years, for this
one instance, 4 years, and then within two months of stem cell
therapy, pregnant and now with a life healthy baby.
My gosh. Yeah.
So I've definitely seen that. So you're 54, You still have a
normal menstrual cycle, which is kind of unheard of in today's
day and age. I feel like I keep hearing that
menopause is starting kind of sooner and sooner.
But are you, are you saying this is potentially like a way to
delay that process for women? Yes, I do think so.
So in animal studies, which is really fun, they were giving
stem cells to perimenopausal rats.
So I didn't even realize that rats were menopausing.
And you know, I don't remember seeing any rats with blood, but
they were, they found out that by giving these animals stem
cells, the ovary size increased and the number of follicles
increased. Their estrogen level went up
there FSH and TH which usually go up with H1 down.
So everything is harmonizing and their number of pregnancy went
up. Wow.
So that's pretty good at good evidence.
Really good. And how often are you utilizing
stem cell therapy? I think you said that the most,
the thing you do most often is the IV infusions, is that right?
And like, how often are you doing those?
I'm doing it every three months. So that has been nine years.
That's the only thing that I have been consistent with
because people ask me what do you do for anti aging?
And I really, I have not been very consistent with anything
except for trying to eat healthy.
That's something I do pay attention to.
I don't want to put junk in my body, but other than that, I
don't take many supplements. I don't have the patients and I
sometimes I, you know, I'm annoyed with all these
supplements, so I'm busy and but stem cell therapy will be the
single most consistent because it's easy, right?
Once every three months, my clinics please put some cells in
my arms and then we're done. Well, it's working.
I mean, you're 54 and you look 34.
Thank you. What's the most surprising way
that you have seen stem cells transform someone's health?
I think, you know, as a doctor, we would like saving lives.
So that that's probably the, the most drastic is when you
actually saved someone's life. So one case was very early in my
stem cell career. That was nine years ago.
My early patient was a liver cirrhosis patient from hepatitis
C infection. So because he had prior drug
use, he didn't even meet the standard, like he couldn't even
get organ transplant. So he's, he's basically facing
death. He was in Hospice care.
So in Hospice he probably was given, I don't know, a few weeks
to live, maybe a month or two the most.
So his brother brought him to my clinic to get stem cell therapy
as a last resort, and I gave him a simple IV infusion at a time.
My protocol was that he was supposed to come back in two
weeks so I can give him the second one.
So I gave him a low dose on the first one because I was waiting
to give him the adequate dose the second time and he didn't
come in. So I had no idea what happened
to this person. And then I was invited to get on
a radio interview and the radio show host was the one that
recommended this brother to take this liver cirrhosis patient to
me. And then he said, oh, I have a
surprise for you. I have the brother of this
patient on the line. I was a really, oh, cool.
He was like, how is your brother doing?
He said, well, actually when after the treatment on the way
back on the drive back to Sacramento from LA, the swelling
his abdomen because he had a big ascites, so huge swelling in the
abdomen. Very skinny guy barely had any
strength to talk, but his his belly was swollen with this
cumulative fluid. The the swelling went down
halfway just on the drive. So you can imagine there's huge
anti-inflammatory effect. Things are already starting was
starting to happen. And then he said within a few
weeks, he he went to see his brother.
The brother was walking back and forth in in his garden and was
talking on the phone loud like a normal person.
So when he was seeing me talk like this, you barely had any
strength. Yeah, I didn't have so.
So the brother was like, wow, that's so he sound like a normal
person. And within a couple months he
went to his liver doctor specialist to check on his liver
and his liver function became normal and so.
From one IV infusion. Yes, wow.
So my response, when I heard that, I said really, I was like,
I was in such shock, right? That was not something I
anticipated. I was just an incredible,
beautiful surprise to know what the cells could do, right?
It may not be what the cells will always do for everybody,
but this is the possibility. Did he come back for more or was
he good with that one? Unfortunately, what I heard was
that he felt so good, so he went back to IV drug use and then he
got, he was arrested. So but so people don't always do
the right things after they get their health back.
Just like when there's another COPD lady I treated, she did so
well, she went back to smoking because she was swearing she
would never smoke again because she was facing death, right?
But once she was doing so well, breathing better, walking, you
know she doesn't have to have to drag an oxygen with her, then
she went back to what she likes doing.
Oh, that's so sad. Yeah, but as doctors, you know,
we see people make choices. Yeah, So what does a stem cell
IV infusion cost? Every clinics different of
course, the price range from around the world will be between
5000 to $50,000. So it's a huge range, but at our
clinic we try to keep it reasonable and accessible.
So an IV infusion starts at $8500 at our clinic, but the
more product required for each person.
So the sicker you are, the older you are, the more aggressive
your condition is and the heavier you are, the more cells
you would need. So the more cells and it can
become more costly. So it can go all the way up to
about $18,000. And if a person wants to add
exosomes, then there's, you know, an additional cost.
If they want injections everywhere, sometimes they do,
they may need joint injections, then that would be added cost.
And if they want facial rejuvenation or hair
restoration, then that's addition.
And we also do sexual Wellness so you can inject into the penis
and vagina. So that's extra.
And what does that do? Sexual satisfaction, right for
men, girls and lengths of the penis and the quality of the
erection. Grass up around your chair.
And for female also sexual sensitivity, lubrication and
just overall satisfaction sensation that.
Can't be a pleasant treatment, so have that.
Bad. You would be surprised, really.
Yeah, of course we numb the area, but it's people get
scared. But everyone's like, oh, that's
it. Wow.
OK. There's so many things you just
said that I want to touch on in a bit, but I want to talk about
the risks a little bit. How do you respond to critics
who say that stem cell therapy is unproven or unsafe?
And what are the potential risks of stem cell therapy?
Because there's so many types of stem cells, so we have to know
what kind of stem cells we're talking about.
But if we're talking about the mesenchymal stem cells, we're
using people who say that is unproven.
That just means the person has not looked at research.
So if you actually looked at research from around the world,
it's been proven over and over for different conditions from
autoimmune to heart conditions, lung and liver and the kidneys,
for even aging, for frailty, for brain repair.
So the evidence is abundant. So when when, when people say
not proven, you know, that's what research is for, right?
It's to prove whether or not something works.
And as far as side effects is I think it's one of the most, one
of the safest therapies there is.
I always say if we stem cell therapy, if it has even one of
the major side effects of any medications that we use these
days, it will be shut down. Even under that kind of
scrutiny, it's really hard to find what how detrimental it can
be. Of course, if a doctor injected
in the wrong place, like the Florida clinic that injected
people's eyes and they don't know what they're doing and they
blinded people. So you can always do wrong
things as doctors, right? You can put things in the wrong
place and that can cause problems.
But if you are conducting your treatment with proper skills and
you're well trained, then there's really very little side
effects. There could be injection site
redness and swelling. It can, there can be temporary
pain. And the worst side effects I've
seen was some, some are like during infusions and people have
vasovagal response, they get lightheaded, they get sweaty and
clammy or heart racing and then we just slow everything down a
little bit. And they always recover.
We always finish the treatment with no problem.
One thing I've noticed is if somebody has a tendency for
histamine reactions, they tend to.
There's a possibility not tend to.
It's still very, very rare for people to break out with a rash
and it's always self limiting, right?
Always will go away. But you some people may have a
rash. These are the people who tend to
react to everything, to environmental stimulation, to
food or to medication. So they they tend to have
eczema. So they may be the people that
break out with a rash. But is, is easily, you know,
taken care of And the only other thing I've seen is people have a
feverish reaction. And and I see that in people.
I believe that these people have some kind of underlying
infection. I've seen that in myself.
The only time I have reaction where there's some kind of
response of body ache and we kind of like temporary flu like
symptoms is when I had just had a dental procedure where they
took out what's called cavitation.
So residual. Yeah, yeah.
Aware of these, you know, from wisdom teeth being pulled and
things not healing properly where with where there's a
pocket of collection of toxins and and sometimes infection.
Yeah. So that's only time.
I mean, I've done probably over 40 IV stems out treatments and
that was the only time that I had reaction where I was
shivering and and it was, was drastic.
It was a little concerning, but it was your body mounting this
huge attack on what's going through your body.
And I've seen that in, in a couple of other patients, but
that will probably be the most, the most drastic response.
But other than that, I've seen oh, the if we inject stem cells
into a joint space, A confined space, sometimes there's a new
reaction with accumulation of fluid immune cells and all of a
sudden there's your knee gets more stiff and swollen.
So there's a temporary, it's. Kind of like everything's going
to the that area just like. You're trying to repair, you
know, a place there's temporary swelling, so that could happen,
yeah. Do you have any concerns with
the fact that stem cells contain DNA?
I don't. I'll tell you why.
For one, the cells rarely stay in your body.
What we're counting on, Like I said, it's a pharmacy.
It's a smart pharmacy. It goes into your body.
Deliver all these molecules to help you repair and the pharmacy
actually shuts down and go away because there's a lifespan for
the pharmacy. So the smart pharmacy has
expiration date basically. So majority, I would say 98%, no
one knows exactly how many cells actually stay in the body.
I think the more depleted you are, possibly the more it stays,
but we don't know for sure. But maybe no more than two, 3%
actually stay in your body. The ones that say tend to adapt
to you, just like we've seen human stem cells living in the
animal's body and they just become part of the skin.
You know, it's fine, it's just adapts to the animal.
So there's ability of these cells to just live with the
host. However, vast majority of them
actually die. So you don't have to worry about
the DNA. The ones that actually stays
because the cells are so young, they have more of ability to
adapt to you. Or if they don't, then your
body, your immune system will just take them out.
It's like, oh, you're a foreign, we don't want you here.
So then then they're gone. However, the benefit they
produce because we're not counting on these cells to
become a particular cell of your tissue.
Because when I help that person liver cirrhosis patient to
repair, I'm I doubt there are going to be very, very few cells
I gave him actually went into the liver and became liver
cells. That's not how they work.
The reason I know is because research after research, all
these articles, they're trying to find out what happened when
the person got better. Is it because the cells that
were given to the patient actually made new cells for the
person, it became new cells or because because something else
they always the result had been consistent.
The new tissue was not from the donor.
The new tissue is from the person himself.
The body created it. That's right.
With the help of these stomachs. Exactly.
The cells are like a blast of signals.
I tell people it's like a like a television set when your body's
diseased or old, it's getting blurry so your body can't figure
out what to do. It can't read the message
anymore. But if I give you a blast of
these intelligent stem cells, all of a sudden everything
becomes high def. Your body is like, that's a no
brainer. This is where I should go and
what I need to do. So all of a sudden the repair
can happen. I want to talk about this
concept of mobilizing stem cells within your body, because there
are supplements and therapies that claim to have the effect of
mobilizing your body's own stem cells.
Things like hyperbaric oxygen therapy or the supplement stem
region, or the Life Wave X39 patches.
I don't know if you've seen those, but these are just things
that I've seen that claim to. Yeah, just help your body like
the circulation of stem cells within your own body, as I
understand it. So I want to get your take on
those therapies. 1 And I also am curious, like how that even
works. Are we born with a certain
amount of stem cells and that's it?
Is the body always creating more stem cells?
Like if we're mobilizing these stem cells, are we going to, you
know, mobilize them too much to where we're using them up too
fast? Like how does that all work?
We do have a finite number of stem cells.
So when we were born, we had a lot of stem cells and what I
mentioned mesenchymo stem cells, the reserve regenerative cells,
right, coordinating your body, your body's ability to repair.
So when we were born, everyone in 10,000 cells is a mesenchymo
stem cells sitting on the blood vessels ready to work, right.
And when we've become our teenage years, the number is 1
to 100,000. So we've already lost a lot of
them because as they multiply, as they get damaged from just
being alive with you, they could die.
And, and, and they only have so many generations that they can
keep replicating. There's a Hey Flick principle
where they can't multiply beyond certain numbers.
So either they exhaust themselves or they get them
damaged, they they die. So even when you're a teenager
and you think you're pretty robust and you're invisible, but
you have 110th, the number of stem cells you had compared to
when you were born, right? 110th.
And then when you reach your 40s is 1 in 400,000, which means you
have 1/4 of what you had when you were a teenager.
And then when you're in your 80s, you have 1/5 of what you
had in your 40s. So literally it's dropping off a
Cliff. So this is loft nature, There's
an attrition rate and you are running out of stem cells.
That's why people are getting all these wrinkles.
That's why their organs that just can't keep up with the
demand and eventually so we're going to shut down.
Everyone has different, you know, places of the weakness.
So different people have different failures of different
organs. And then that's the end.
You know, some people still some organs, maybe they're doing
really well, but some are so depleted.
That's the first one that goes out and then the game over.
So we do have a limited supply. And This is why stem cell
therapy is so helpful, because it's giving you what you've
lost. So these products, like do they
even work or are they mobilizing too many stem cells and using
them up like using our bodies on stem cells up at a faster rate
than than we should be using them?
Well, the more you replicate, the more you're going to use the
their lifespan up, right. So eventually you are going to
run out. It's not like they're, they're
limited. Like I said, there's the, the,
the limit of how many generations you can have.
So you make them replicate, replicate, and then you're going
to run out of generations. So, so yes, but when do you run
out? You know, that's a question.
You can help them, mobilize them, get them out of the bone
marrow, which is what stem region does, or bring them to
life so they can multiply and help your body.
But yes, you have a finite supply and it's hard to say.
You know, by taking certain supplements, you can nourish
your stem cells, right? You can make them healthier and
live longer, and that's as you're preserving your supply
so. Is that what stem regen does?
No Stem regen basically free your stem cells from the bone
marrow because a lot of times they're trapped by certain
adhesion molecules and they're they're kept in the bone marrow.
But just because they're in your bone marrow doesn't mean that
they're helping anything because they're just sitting there.
So your body may have a place the injury or you have full body
inflammation, but doesn't mean that they're out there helping
you. So if you take them out or if
you use them regen to kick them out, then they can circulate and
help you repair. The number of circulating stem
cells correlates with how fast you can heal.
So by sitting in the bone marrow is not helping.
So you can drill into the bone, free them out and put in the
blood. Now they're helping you.
So yeah. So stem region doesn't really
make you have more stem cells, it just make you have more
circulating stem cells. Of course, you know any cells,
any cell will have a finite lifespan.
Sometimes when they fight your battles, let's say they're
mobilized and they get to circulate and they find the area
of inflammation, when they're trying to fight your
inflammation, they can also be killed.
It's like the soldier going to battle.
They can be killed by the battle.
Yeah. But otherwise they would, a lot
of them would just be sitting there not doing anything, like
if we didn't do these things to help mobilize them.
You can mobilize them by exercise can help the hyperbaric
oxygen can help and and and then trauma can mobilize them.
Oh, really big trauma sometimes get them, wake them up and then
they they go into, you know, go into your system.
Do we want to be careful and not mobilize them too much because
then we're like using them up too quickly?
Or is do you feel like it's worth it to to keep them
mobilized, keep them active? That's an interesting question,
yeah. That's my hesitation with like
stem regen. I'm like, I don't want to
mobilize too many of these things.
Like I want them to be there later when I need them more.
It's OK. We have all these stem cells
that can't be given. Yeah, that's true.
Worry so much. Yeah.
So if you're if you're doing the therapies, they can really work
well in conjunction with these other things that we're talking
about. So I do use stem regen in our
treatments because a lot of the cells I'm giving patients may
end up getting back into the bone marrow.
So we want them to come out and really help help the body
repair. But if I'm just counting on a
person's own bone marrow stem cells, they're not going to be
as active and as potent as these very young stem cells.
So I would prefer and also they are an extra help, right?
So instead of using the more tired older and stem cells from
a person's own and also they're they're, they're less, the older
you are, the less they are. So then I can give them
something that's abundant and more potent.
What role does inflammation play in the body's ability to utilize
stem cells? Inflammation can trigger your
stem cells to come to to become more alive basically.
So some doctors asked me, oh, should I call the inflammation
first? The person is really inflamed.
So let me reduce the inflammation and then give the
person stem cells. But research have shown that
inflammation actually are going to make the stem cells work
harder. So instead of just laying, you
know, I do a little bit here and there.
All of a sudden they're much more active.
They they're giving you a lot more of what they have to offer.
So it's like they are excited by the mission.
Yeah. So inflammation is not
necessarily detrimental to stem cells and they could be, I mean,
they could harm the stem cells, but if they make the stem cell,
stem cells work so much harder and better, that may be there's
basically there's no reason to not have inflammation.
Inflammation can get the stem cells more into gear.
What are the most effective ways to harness the power of stem
cells when it comes to slowing or reversing aging in the skin?
Well, I think the current therapies that are effective at
rejuvenating the skin all resort to some kind of energy therapy
or some kind of mild damage and agitation.
So you can mildly damage your skin by light, right?
You can use laser, you know, other kinds of light.
It doesn't have to be damaged, but red light can can activate
your stem, your cells and stem cells as well.
And you can use sound therapy for for skin, you can use
mechanical trauma, microneedling.
So all those were actually call on the cells to come to the area
and come to life and they will send out more signals.
So your skin cells will start to produce more collagen and will
breakdown. So they will help you breakdown
scar tissue, lay more, you know, some more collagen, more blessed
apply and more blessed apply of course means more nutrient
delivery. So you want to give the skin
more signals so it will attract more stem cells.
Kind of like giving it a mission like you were talking about
earlier when you're causing those micro injuries and then
doing that in combination with stem cells.
The stem cells are like, OK, let's get to work and repair
this and make it better than it was before.
Yeah, I love the combination. So you can use either, use
exosomes, which is a secretion product of stem cells.
Just as you use those alone, you can put it on the face, they
will absorb directly into the skin so you don't have to
inject. And then you can use micro
needling or other kind of energy machines to agitate the skin and
allow allow regeneration to to happen.
Or you can inject stem cells directly into the skin.
And we've seen just incredible results with both.
But the stem cells is is beautiful because like I said,
it's a little pharmacy. So I'm injecting these cells
that's going to live in your skin for months and they will
keep secreting exosomes. So it's like a like a exosome
factory for your skin. So which method do you think is
more effective? Is it micro needling with the
exosomes or injecting the stem cells directly?
I personally will prefer the stem cells because it will give
you long lasting, longer lasting results because it's going to
sit there and keep giving you more exosomes, but exosomes you
know you don't have to inject, so there's a little more
comfortable. Yeah, I was going to ask whether
the stem cell injection is painful into the face.
It's a little bit, yeah, we do use numbing cream, but yeah,
some people tolerate it really well.
And I'm I somehow my skin is very sensitive and it really
hurt. I've seen a lot of products that
have stem cells from plant sources.
What's your take on that? OK, so I mean, people want to
jump on the stem cell wagon and and they, they, they, they think
by using anything if there are stem cells in it.
And that's, that's as if that qualifies as stem cell therapy.
So when people use the word plant stem cells, I always ask
them, I said, are you a plant? Because if you are a plant, this
products going to work very well for you because that's the whole
point about stem cells is that it gives life to that life form.
So if you're not a plant, then that's not tailored.
All the chemicals these cells secrete are not going to be
tailored to you. So it makes doesn't make that
much sense. So to me, that's more of a
marketing gimmick. Whatever species you are, you
need to use the stem cells for your species.
So we have perfectly good human stem cells and that's what's
going to speak to the body. Your body, your skin cells are
going to respond to the signals of the human stem cells.
And you have a product with umbilical stem cells, is that
right? Yeah.
It's called Shower Omni. So that was I formulated that
about six years ago because I couldn't find a good all natural
product. I wanted to find something
that's 100% natural and it was somehow a great challenge.
And and then I realized I have stem cells on my hand and then
I'm familiar with all these peptides.
So why don't I put some of these cutting edge stuff into a skin
care product that's 100% natural.
So I don't put anything that could be jeopardizing human
health or with hormone disruption etcetera.
So that's how I came up with with this product.
So. And you said that the stem
cells, they're not live, but they still have components that
are super beneficial for the skin.
Yeah. So contained with within the
cell membrane are all these growth factors and all these
signal molecules, including micro pieces of RNA and they can
help with cellular repair. So, and the exosomes also
contain a lot of different lipids and, and micro RNA pieces
and they can actually go into the cell nucleus and help
promote the repair of the DNA. So the benefit can be short
term, but there's also a longer term benefit because if your
cells are fixed on the DNA level then it can give you a longer
lasting benefit. Are stem cells effective in
boosting hair growth or reversing Gray hairs?
I've heard people talking about hair turning black, so in some
individuals, not everybody, we can say that's going to turn
everyone's hair back to the original color, but I've
definitely heard people saying that they have less and less
Gray. And is that with injections in
the scalp? Even with IV treatment, so
that's total rejuvenation, right.
The graying of the hair is still a sign of aging of your, the
hair follicle, you know aging process your melanocyte
etcetera. But the hair restoration to
increase the number or the the vitality of the hair follicles
making them more active. And we've seen great results
either with stem cells or exosomes.
So we can inject or just put the exosomes on the surface and use
microneedling to or other technologies to agitate the
scalp. There are people who just did
injections. I think in my early career I did
just injections. I didn't even add microneedling,
just that was enhancing the growth of hair a lot.
So I, yeah, it's, it's, it's pretty awesome.
I think 2 sessions the the hair was filling up, you know when
there were kind of. A lot of thinning on the in the
temporary temporal area. Wow.
You've mentioned exosomes a few times.
Can you give our audience a little description and
differentiate exosomes from stem cells?
Yeah. So exosomes are nothing but
little packets sent out by stem cells or any cells.
Cells can secrete exosomes. So exosomes are like those
little things that butt off cells.
So I, I, I call it, it's like the cell sweat, like the
sweating of the cell. So think of it like beating up
of this, you know, this little, little little piece from the
cell surface. That's a great analogy.
The cell. So with the stem cell, you're
getting the stem cells with the exosomes are just a part of the
the stem cell. Yeah, OK.
Whereas isolated exosomes are. It's kind of a different thing.
Yeah. So a lot of times companies will
make the cells multiply and, and culture them in a medium and
putting them, you know, sit around for some time and they
will keep producing and spewing out all these little, little
beats of packets of information. And then they collect these
little packets and give it to people for therapy.
However, the cells also secrete a lot of things that are not
included in these packets. So they're because they're not a
one poke 111 trick pony, they can secrete various things and
they can secrete things into a larger vesicles that's not
included in a lot of the a lot of these exosome product
exosomes are smaller packets. They only range between 50 to
200 microns. But cells can make packets that
are a lot bigger, but that's excluded from these exosome
product. So on one hand, you have these
free agents that are not quite in the product or you have these
larger vesicles that are excluded.
And the cells, what they can do also is to deliver and donate
mitochondria. So if you have young healthy
stem cells, they can donate to your cells these young healthy
mitochondria. And that's of course not in the
exosome products. So the cells can do so much
more. Not to mention the cells is a
living entity. The exosomes is done.
It's, it doesn't, it can't, can produce, can respond.
It's a packet. And once it's delivered in the
body, it hits certain receptors, then it's done, its job is over.
But the cells can keep producing these entities while in the
human body. The cells generally live for
about one to three months in the human body.
And during this time, it's going to keep producing these exosomes
and producing them in a fashion that's more tailored toward what
your body needs. So it's, it's a smart pharmacy,
right? It's not a blind pharmacy.
I give everybody the same drugs. And that's what what's happening
in exosome production is the cells is like, well, I don't
know what I'm doing. I don't know what I'm supposed
to do. But in this environment, I'm
just going to produce this. So it's not tailored to a
person. But if I give cells to a person,
one person's condition is very different from another, so the
cells can respond. OK.
And you mentioned that you do micro needling with exosomes.
Why does it work well in that instance?
And are there any other occasions for which you will
only use exosomes and not stem cells?
In the face, it's, well, it's it's easy.
It's quick and easy because it's absorbed by the skin.
Is it a smaller like particle like?
Easier. It's very, very tight.
Yeah, the cells are really large, so they can't really
penetrate the skin barrier. That's why they want to be
injected. Yeah, the exosomes, no problem.
We even put the exosomes into the nasal membrane because that
can be taken up by your nerves directly into the brain.
So we utilize their small size because they can cross the blood
brain barrier, but cells cannot. So for the most part, and I see
almost no instance that I will only use exosomes and not stem
cells. To be honest, exosomes is easy.
Some people think that because the FDA only is, is more
obsessed with regulating cellular products that if they
give a product that's not cellular, but but a vesicle and
the, you know, these tiny packets, that FDA is not going
to have a problem with the the FDA is slightly more relaxed,
but not that much because these are production, you know, these
are still products from the cells.
So so but excellent became all the rage because the companies
producing these products tell people all you don't have to
worry about regulation that this is, you know, not as strictly
regulated. So that would that contributed
to to to the popularity. They're conceivably possibly
someone may react to cell surface markers, but not to
these little packets of information.
So that's possible. I have not personally seen it.
So I think it's more theoretical is exosomes may be a little
easier to manage. The cells are living entities.
So how do you freeze them so you can use them easily,
transporting them without damaging them, so that when you
unfreeze them that they're still alive?
And that's more challenge. So it's more cumbersome.
So there are certain things that are a little harder to use
cells, but I will always choose cells when when it's possible
because of the longer lasting benefits because it does more
than what exosomes can do. Outside of stem cell therapy,
what are some of your favorite bio hacks to support health and
longevity? I was the peptides will be my
top. Do you have any like favorite
peptides? Yes.
So we actually always give people BPC 157 and TB500 as part
of the regimen because they can help so many organ systems
repair at the same time. So it's a little bit more
targeted in the sense it is giving you a little bit more
direction for the body. So BPC 157, TB 500 are both
really good for the brain, for the immune system and for
musculoskeletal repair. And the BPC is great for gut
repair and TB500 great for the heart.
So now I'm covering a lot of territory and on top of that, so
I use that probably for a couple months and I2 to three months, I
take a break and then I do another two to three months.
So I like, you know, covering a lot of ground, right?
And again, one reason I love peptides is is simple, it's
quick. I don't like taking that many
pills. And these are it's just, it's
just, it's pretty elegant because these are natural
signals that your body gradually lose as we age again.
And then there's the growth hormone set.
So Tessamorlin or April Morlin, CJC 1295.
Those can help enhance the growth hormone production your
body, which is a youth hormone. So now you can repair more
effectively. It helps your body to have
recomposition so you can gain more muscle and lose fat.
So it helps especially as we age, right, it's harder to keep
a particular physique. So that's another one that's
really awesome for repair and for for physical, just for
physicality. And then?
Do you work with patients in your clinic to optimize personal
peptide protocols? Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. That's one thing we do.
We have a lot of peptides, so GHK coppers, great for skin,
hair and also for the brain for wound repair.
So that's a great one. And then appetite 1 is probably
one of my favorite because it's one of the few things that have
been shown to extend telomeres and it rejuvenates your
cardiovascular system. So that one make your
cardiovascular system younger and it protects you against all
age-related diseases. We have to thank the Russians
for discovering all these peptides and for having done so
much study on them. So a lot of studies came from
Russia and they've shown just pretty remarkable benefits.
What else do you do? What's a day in your life look
like in terms of your Wellness protocol?
I wish I have all day just by hacking, because that's, well,
that's what some people do, right?
It's true, yeah. Wake up, do some sungazing,
like, do some grounding and you'll dress up like.
He's like a full time sauna, yeah.
Yeah, exercise and you know, right, Sauna's fantastic.
And then, yeah, so there are different frequency devices.
I have a chair shift wave I haven't done for for a long
time. It's just it's hard to find time
even for what I have. Sometimes it's hard to rotate
through. But some people do have all day,
you know, that's all they do. And that's one way of living.
You know, not very many people, but there's a few of them out
there. But I do some yoga and then
yeah. But as far as Bah, hacking sauna
I love, I think it's phenomenal. Is one of the best detox ways to
detox and it's very gentle. Yeah, saunas is fabulous.
Massages, you know, I love massages and light.
So I do have a light device that I actually took with me on my
trip to Asia just in case. So I try to boost my muses.
I actually caught look cold. I'm not sure who gave it to me
in China, but I recovered pretty quickly.
So I quickly shined the light on a setting there.
Different settings for different organs.
Which one? So it's called Oconia.
So it is prescription. Use this machine.
We use that in our clinic. So that's another cool thing.
Even though I give patients stem cells, I can give them heptides
to target different organs, but I can also use laser to guide
cells into a particular area. So if I focus the light on the
brain that more cells will be attracted and stay in the brain
area. If I want to heal the the the
the particular joint, I can shine the light on the joint or
any internal organ that the patient is interested in in
putting more attention on. So during the infusion, you will
sometimes use the light laser all the time, zero it in on a
certain area that the patient needs.
Yeah, you know. Yeah, we actually stick patient
in the in a frequency bed. So this is a light bed with
quantum frequency and we put the patient in the bed.
So that helped mobilize, you know, help their to calm more
the inflammation, elevate their cellular energy and then we give
them the infusion. But we actually do ozone therapy
to boost their immune system, kill off some pathogens and
activate activate their own antioxidant system and super
oxygenate this their system. Oh my goodness, you guys do it
all. Yeah.
I need to. I need to plan a visit protocol.
Yeah, it sounds like it. That's amazing.
The stem cell world is such a fast growing space.
What's next? What's on the horizon in stem
cells? Well, there's some new kids on
the block at one point. I think a lot of people are
going for what's called V cells. The research is just as not as
robust as mesenchymal stem cells.
That's why it's still the gold standard.
What is AV cell? V cells a very small embryonic
like stem cells. So we we also can do that in our
clinic, but just the research is there's not as much, but some
people are firm believers. So we do provide that, but it's
not a focus. There's another one that's
called Muse Cell that got made popular because of the
Kardashians again. So they went to get a Muse cell
infusion. So that's something that could
be really exciting. That's a subpopulation of
mesenchymal stem cells. So a particular lab can enhance
the proportion of these cells and give it to patients because
these cells are able to become any tissue in the body, so they
had more ability to to transform.
They can become the tissue versus repairing it.
So mesenchymo stem cells can become the tissue to some
extent, but it's possible it's because of this subpopulation
and the mechanism that it does the transformation is really fun
because they actually gobble up your bat cells.
So if your cells are damaged, not good, they will eat it up
and while it eats, it will digest the DNA and then that
fragment of the DNA will trigger the cell to become you.
So that's fun, right? You got someone to digest you
and then becomes you. So that that's really
interesting thing. But you mentioned DNA.
Now I remember your question about.
Yeah, I was the. DNA in the body, I want to tell
you really, because you're a mother as well, I want to
mention this. You kind of, you know, tidbit
that's really fascinating is that they found out that mothers
who have been pregnant and and gave birth to a baby compared to
the mothers of the same age but do not have that pregnancy,
their biological age is 5 months younger.
Because they have DNA from their child.
Because they've gone through the pregnancy process and what I
believe is that we all know when the mother is pregnant with the
baby, there's huge exchange going on.
The baby stem cells is circulating the mother because
we found out there, there are Y chromosomes in females body.
Mothers would have given birth to male children, right?
So the X is just harder to detect, right?
If you have just female daughters have daughters, but
you have sons, then definitely they found Y chromosomes in all
your tissue in your brain and your, and your breasts and other
organs. So we know that there's human,
there's DNA exchange and and they actually found a
correlation of mothers with more Y chromosomes have less risk of
dementia. So it's really interesting.
I was just going to say like, is that can that contribute to
feeling good during pregnancy? Like especially towards the end
because I always feel like Superwoman like towards the end
of the. Glow, right?
Yeah. The glow and also the remission
of autoimmune diseases is a known fact that people with
autoimmune diseases tend to go into remission during pregnancy.
Wow. Yeah.
So what's really interesting, just to put people's mind at
ease about the DNA exchange in the human world, is that 60% of
women actually have Y chromosomes in their body, and
majority of them cannot be accounted for by having had male
children. And they were looking at all
possibilities. Oh my God, is it because the
woman had a male sibling that didn't get born, right?
Got there was a miscarriage. So the male sibling, you know,
there was a demise, but then the, the DNA was circulating at
the same time as a female and the female got born.
So that's a possibility. Or the, the, the, the female had
some kind of miscarriage of male fetuses, right?
So in their life they had all these miscarriages and and
somehow the the male fetus got the DNA circulating the body.
But that's all. These things are minuscule.
So the only explanation they could come up with is through
male, female intercourse that there is deposit of Y
chromosomes in the female's body and apparently it stayed
somewhere throughout the body. So 60% of the women actually
have Y chromosomes in the body. So if you think you're such a
pure entity that I'm an XX female right my chromosomes,
you're mistaken because 60% of chances that you have Y
chromosomes in your body. OK, that is wild.
So I want people to understand that it's not such a big deal as
you think. Oh, my God, I got other people's
DNA in my body. I welcome other people's DNA in
my body. It's like, well, OK, come join
the party. Is part of human existence.
Yeah. Wow, that's fascinating.
Dr. Joy, thank you so much. This conversation has been so
interesting and enlightening. Where can people find you and
how can people come visit your clinic?
The best place to find me is I have a personal website,
joykongmd.com. So there are all these things
that I'm doing, you know, including my Academy, the cream.
And so everything I do is there. Oh, I also wrote a book, It's
called Tiger of Beijing. It's my memoir.
So they can find that there as well as it is about how I came
to the US and how I survived. It's only about this three years
of very dramatic time in my life.
Wow. And they can also learn more
about stem cell therapy or holistic, you know, way of life
by visiting my YouTube channel, Joy Kong MD.
So I talk about everything when it comes to stem cells and I
have lectures on there. And then I have my podcast, Joy,
the Joy the Doctor Joy Kong podcast.
And you know, I interview wonderful experts in different
arenas and when it comes to health and also both mental and
physical health. So I don't know if you know I,
I, I am a trained psychiatrist, so.
Yes, I did see that. Right, so the mental health is
important and I but I want to bring holistic health into
mental health. And that's it has become a new
trend now. I think there's more.
Yeah. People pay more attention to to
the integration of the two. Yeah.
So and people also welcome to come to my Instagram.
It's just a doctor. Under score joy under score
Kong. So they can ask me questions.
And you know, I, I, I always try to respond to people.
Love it. Thank you so much, Doctor Joy.
Oh, you're so welcome. It's been such a pleasure,
Bethany.