1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,760 Welcome to Grounded Wellness, your go to podcast for 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,880 simplified and trusted information on how to live a 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,080 more non-toxic and holistic life. 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,000 We're your hosts. I'm Bethany McDaniel, founder of 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,440 Primarily Pure biohacking enthusiast and mom of three. 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,760 And I'm Courtney O'Connor, holistic esthetician with over 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,480 15 years experience in the healing power of touch and 8 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,520 holistic skin care rituals. In today's episode, I had the 9 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,120 pleasure of sitting down with Mark McAfee, founder of Raw 10 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,759 Farm, the world's largest raw dairy farm. 11 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,600 When it comes to raw milk, you might have some questions. 12 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,080 Some people passionately believe that raw milk is dangerous and 13 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,480 that it should be illegal, while others think that it's a 14 00:00:41,480 --> 00:00:43,600 superfood everyone should be drinking. 15 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,360 So where does the truth lie? This conversation is a 16 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,640 fascinating dive into the world of raw milk, the legal 17 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,000 controversy surrounding it, and why I wholeheartedly believe 18 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,280 that raw milk, done the right way, is a perfectly healthy 19 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:57,800 whole food. Let's dig in. 20 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,040 Mark, welcome to Grounded Wellness. 21 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,880 Thank you for being here. So excited to chat with you 22 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,160 about raw milk today. I'm glad to be here and you're 23 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,280 beautiful pastor. I know. 24 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,400 Great venue. In our third podcast you've done 25 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:15,680 on a farm, I know you do them all the time. 26 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,080 And the first one, barefooted, yeah, which is all good. 27 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:19,880 We've got, we've got a first in there. 28 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,800 I love it. So you are under a personal 29 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,640 injunction with the FDA not to talk about raw milk or the 30 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:31,600 benefits of raw milk, I should say on your company's channels. 31 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,320 But since we are on the Grounded Wellness podcast, you're able to 32 00:01:35,320 --> 00:01:38,560 talk about raw milk. Tell us the benefits of raw 33 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,600 milk. The FDA thinks I'm really 34 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,680 special. They singled me out to make sure 35 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:43,520 I didn't. They love you. 36 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,240 Raw milk is the first food of life. 37 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,240 A baby is born, does not have an immune system. 38 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,120 The gastrointestinal tract is basically a devoid of bacteria. 39 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:54,520 There's no diversity of bacteria. 40 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:55,920 There's no food to feed the bacteria. 41 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,120 The umbilical cord is cut and the baby's on its own. 42 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,480 What's it do? It goes to nurses from mom. 43 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,240 That's raw milk. And it is qualitatively, in 44 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,720 other words, the kind of cream, the kind of protein, the kind of 45 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,280 enzymes are practically identical between cows and 46 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,200 humans. And mankind's been consuming raw 47 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,320 milk for about 15,000 years. And so it's only been about the 48 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,400 last 80 years where it's been treated in such such a way to 49 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,560 lose all of those really important blueprints of life, 50 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,800 those bio actives that are so powerful and health giving. 51 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:31,960 And they've just been not talked about in the pasteurized 52 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,640 community. Well, the dollar voting is 53 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:37,200 talking about it now because people are buying less and less 54 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,800 and it's going a decline of about two to 10% per per year 55 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,160 depending on what market you're looking at. 56 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:43,920 Pasteurized milk. Is pasteurized milk. 57 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,960 However, our raw milk is growing at 1% a week. 58 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:51,760 Unbelievable because of the interest in this first food of 59 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,640 life and the fact that what's its job to build an immune 60 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:56,480 system that did not exist before. 61 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,160 Remember, that immune system is 80% made-up of the gut 62 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,800 microbiome, the bacteria and the food that feeds it. 63 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:04,720 And the structure is the mucosal lining. 64 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,600 And so when your gut is well, you're well, inflammation's in 65 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,360 check. And post COVID, people are 66 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,920 looking for that food because they never no longer want to be 67 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:17,440 caught with their immune systems down right. 68 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,800 They want to be ready and adaptive and resilient to the 69 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,800 next threat coming through health, not through some shot or 70 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:23,240 something. Yeah. 71 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,160 And so and. I'm so glad that people are now 72 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,440 thinking that way because when COVID was happening, everyone 73 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,400 was just had the mindset of I don't want to get it, I just 74 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,840 want to avoid it. Like avoiding it rather than 75 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,360 building up the body, building up the immune system in order to 76 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,000 be strong, to fight, something like that. 77 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,840 That's exactly right. But now people are are trying to 78 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:44,920 do that. Yeah. 79 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,800 Well, if you really look at what the immune system is, 80% of it 80 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,200 is the gut microbiome. And what is the gut microbiome? 81 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,000 It is the diversity of bacteria and the food that feeds it. 82 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,440 That's what the gut microbiome is and the structures around, 83 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:58,520 like the mucosal lining and stuff. 84 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,760 And when you think about it, I mean, hundreds of thousands of 85 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,040 people with Crohn's disease and irritable bowel syndrome and 86 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,600 ulcerative colitis in the United States that defines gut 87 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,400 inflammation, which means you've got those three things missing. 88 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,200 No good food, no good bacteria and gut structures are shot and 89 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:15,920 inflamed. So there's a movement back 90 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,720 towards taking control of your life through whole food 91 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,360 nutrition. And raw milk is the first food 92 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,560 of life and probably the queen of the whole food. 93 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,720 You know, wonderful choice. Talk to us about the process of 94 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,040 pasteurization and how that came into play in America. 95 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,080 Well, think about it all through the ages. 96 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,920 What would Jesus eat? Land of milk and honey. 97 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:42,360 It was raw, right? Thousands of years, 15,000 years 98 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,840 ago, mankind was able to stop fishing, stop hunting and stop 99 00:04:46,840 --> 00:04:49,840 farming and have a domesticated animal nearby that you're able 100 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:52,480 to catch your milk from and eat today and take that animal with 101 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:53,640 you. As long as you had rain and 102 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,440 sunshine and grass, you could eat today. 103 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,240 And so it served a very, very important domesticated 104 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:06,960 partnership with mankind for the ages, for forever come. 18 105 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:13,080 fifties, 1850 ish, you start having people take their cows 106 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:17,000 with them into bigger cities where they no longer had green 107 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,560 grass and water that was flowing down the streams. 108 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,520 It was clean and you had the cows being confined and being 109 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,720 fed Brewers, distillers, grains and other trash and there's no 110 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,040 clean water, no flushing toilets. 111 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,560 It was filthy. Typhoid fever, brucellosis, 112 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,200 tuberculosis was really cold in the morning. 113 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,120 Your milk of the cow by hand, you put your feet in the milk to 114 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:37,560 keep it warm. That's the kind of milk we're 115 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,240 talking about. It's disgusting and it became 116 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,000 something called the milk problem. 117 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:47,880 Well, two pathways began in 1893. 118 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,440 Doctor Henry Coit said let's clean up the milk. 119 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,520 Let's certify the milk, the milk to to have it continue to flow 120 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:55,840 to the Mayo Clinic to heal people. 121 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:58,760 But it has to come from farms with green pastures and it has 122 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,160 to come from farms with clean water. 123 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,040 And we're going to test to make sure that milk is clean. 124 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,160 We. They were using raw milk in the 125 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,000 Mayo Clinic. Yes to treat people, yes for for 126 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,960 what exactly? All kinds of things, You name 127 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,320 it, they were treating. They had a whole milk diet there 128 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,080 and that that that went through the 1920s and 30s. 129 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:18,320 They they were using raw milk from the certified, the AAMMC 130 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,080 with Doctor Henry Coit, the American Association of Medical 131 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,600 Milk Commissions for years at the Mayo Clinic. 132 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,320 This book's written about it at the same year. 133 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:31,080 In 1893, Mr. Strauss brought in the par boiler. 134 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:35,240 This came from France. It was used to make wines and 135 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,240 beers and alcohols and stuff to kill bacteria so that the yeast 136 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,720 would grow and it was part of the fermentation process for 137 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,400 alcohol. It was never used for milk in 138 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,360 France. He brought this system in and 139 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,240 poured all this filthy milk that they were getting from these 140 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,560 downtown distillery dairies into this par boiler. 141 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:51,800 He cooked the living heck out of it. 142 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,080 And what do you know, overnight 40% of the people less died 143 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,360 still had problems because water quality was so terrible. 144 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,520 So they, Oh my gosh, a fantastic revolution. 145 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:05,000 We have cheap milk in downtown to feed people and you just cook 146 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,760 the heck out of it. So they just figured out a way 147 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,360 to sanitize the milk? Yeah. 148 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,840 But it to to quote off. A lot of the the good. 149 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,120 Stuff. All of the good stuff. 150 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,600 All of it. Doctor Bruce German, bless his 151 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,080 heart, he's the the founder of the International Milk Genomics 152 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,840 Consortium, said pasteurization is an 18th century solution to 153 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,120 an 18th century problem. We can do a hell of a lot better 154 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:28,960 and that's exactly what we're doing. 155 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,800 And so if the farmers have good standards, are training those 156 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:38,800 standards, feed their cows well, do testing, you have a 157 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,080 completely different kind of product. 158 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,440 But if you don't care because all you're doing is chasing the 159 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,840 weight of the milk, it's going to go off to pasteurized and all 160 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,080 your neighbors dump the milk in the same truck and who cares 161 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,360 what goes there? And the bacteria can standards 162 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,120 are through the rough, including pathogenic bacteria in that milk 163 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,400 because it's all going to get cooked with A5 log kill. 164 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,800 You have two different kinds of milk, Ramma for people and ramma 165 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,160 for the pasteurizer. And we do Ramma for people. 166 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,120 Entirely different proposition than RAMMA for pasteurization. 167 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,480 So what are the health implications of pasteurization? 168 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,640 What? How does that change the final 169 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,520 product and what it does in the body of the person who's 170 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,120 drinking it? We all have Google look up the 171 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,480 most allergenic food in America, pasteurized milk. 172 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,880 When you kill all the bioactives, you inactivate all 173 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,160 the extracellular vesicles that are there. 174 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,920 They're so important to the vital nature of this first food 175 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,120 of life. When you've destroyed the fat 176 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,640 cell, which is now be considered an immune cell by some 177 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,039 scientists because it's all the traits of being an immune cell, 178 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:37,280 which is phenomenal, right? When you destroy all of that 179 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,400 through pasteurization, homogenization, supplementation, 180 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:46,000 back to fugation, Every other Asian you can make up, you have 181 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,920 a very allergenic food that does not have bio actives that help 182 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,280 you with your health. What you got is basically 183 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,960 cereal, cereal lubricant. That's what it is. 184 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,080 And yeah, there's fat, yeah, there's protein, but the bio 185 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,040 lactis that help you like the lipids, there's no lipase to 186 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,160 help digest the lipids. The fats, the proteases are 187 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,200 missing The the the peptidases are missing to help digest the 188 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,120 the, the proteins, the. Lactose. 189 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,120 Is missing the lactose. Is missing the lactase. 190 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,880 There's no lactase in milk though, but the bacteria that 191 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:20,200 makes lactase is in milk. So remember, lactose is the milk 192 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,000 sugar. It is a fantastic prebiotic. 193 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,800 Prebiotics are food that feed probiotics. 194 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,960 So if we ingest lactose, if we also have the accompanying 195 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,600 probiotic bacteria like Lactobacillus bacteria, 196 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,600 bifidobacteria, other colorful bacteria, they digest it and 197 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,320 make lactase for you. You don't have lactose 198 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:40,960 intolerance. And that's what people take as a 199 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,120 supplement who are lactose intolerant when they choose to 200 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,960 consume dairy. But it's all there already in 201 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,520 the raw form. In our community, we call it 202 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,720 pasteurization intolerance. Yeah. 203 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,520 The Maasai, black as coal from from Kenya, they win all the 204 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,200 Olympic stuff because they're such good athletes. 205 00:09:58,320 --> 00:09:59,520 They drink raw milk from cows. Yeah. 206 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:01,800 They have no problem with lactose intolerance. 207 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:04,520 They don't have the lactase persistence gene either. 208 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,160 Those black people come to America. 209 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,360 They have a hell of a problem with the fact that we have 210 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,600 pasteurized milk. I know a guy, Maasai warrior. 211 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,440 His name is Camelli. I gave him 8 gallons of milk a 212 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,320 week and he got rid of Crohn's disease 8 years ago, but he 213 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,440 lived in Kenya. Go the go to the Mongolians and 214 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,280 out of Manchuria. They're all Asian Chinese 215 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,240 people. They drink mare's milk, raw 216 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,000 mare's milk. They're athletes, they're 217 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,920 warriors. No problem at all with lactose 218 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:31,520 intolerance. They do not have the lactase 219 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,800 persistence gene. Interesting, I've never thought 220 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,560 about that with ancestral cultures that rely on milk as a 221 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:39,440 huge part of their diet. Like lactose intolerance is not 222 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,000 a thing, no in those cultures. It's a it's a current world 223 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,840 problem with highly processed milk, Yeah. 224 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,080 OK. And then something I actually 225 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:49,640 don't really have a good understanding on is 226 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,720 homogenization. Can you talk about what that 227 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,680 process entails? The fat globule is a three layer 228 00:10:54,680 --> 00:10:57,400 lipid structure that's considered to be literally an 229 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,640 immune cell because it has micro RNA. 230 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,440 It's got all kinds of things in. It's got bacteria, it's got 231 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,320 enzymes, it's got alkaline phosphatase, it's got the 232 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,400 butyrates that make butyric acid for your lower gut. 233 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,040 It has dietary fibre in a fat cell. 234 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:11,920 My God, right. It's incredible. 235 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:17,000 How they send that through a screen at extremely high 236 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,480 pressure, thousands of pounds of pressure per square inch. 237 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,840 It's called a homogenizer that destroys that butter fat and 238 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:23,960 makes it into shreds. Wow. 239 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,320 So homogenization is a choice. It's not a requirement to 240 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:34,240 destroy the best part of milk. Why would anyone choose to do 241 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,000 that? Because the fat doesn't rise to 242 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:37,960 the top anymore. Oh, so it's just a? 243 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,720 Back in the 1920s. Check this out, Bethenny. 244 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,560 It's like, Oh my God, pinch me. Back in the 20s, remember that 245 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,040 they would deliver raw milk to your doorstep and pasteurized 246 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,240 milk to your doorstep, and people would always say, I don't 247 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:53,600 want that one. It doesn't have enough cream on 248 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,880 the top. They'd buy the milk by the cream 249 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:58,520 layer because that was the good stuff. 250 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,040 It was the delicious, wonderful life bringing one of the things. 251 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,560 Makes it taste so good. So they, the, the marketing 252 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:06,640 people said don't worry about the cream, it's all mixed 253 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,600 together. Does it float to the top anymore 254 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,960 because we homogenize it? And by the way, they were able 255 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,960 to buy a longer shelf life as a result too, because the fat 256 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,680 wouldn't ferment as fast. So it was a marketing choice to 257 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:20,680 extend shelf life and not have competition in the marketplace. 258 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,720 And the other thing is you could mix in other things and 259 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:28,600 homogenize too, like dried powdered milk, other things to 260 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,320 make it have better mouthfeel and you can keep the butter fat 261 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:37,320 to make butter and make money. OK, so you hide the cream and do 262 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,200 something else and say, oh, it's homogenized and you can take the 263 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,240 butter which made the butter fat, which made money. 264 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,880 So all about the money. The more you look at this, it's 265 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,680 not conspiracy, it's all about the money. 266 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,400 The conspiracy comes from them trying to protect themselves to 267 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,240 keep the money because they don't want people don't want the 268 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,520 product anymore and all the shenanigans they do to try to 269 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,040 protect themselves from losing market share. 270 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,720 So now as we were talking about earlier, the FDA, you're their 271 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,920 favorite person. I am, I feel so honored, so I 272 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,680 really AM. What is the motivation behind 273 00:13:05,680 --> 00:13:06,320 that? Is there? 274 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,600 Is it just to protect the dairy industry as a whole in these 275 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,880 processes that they've come to rely on so heavily? 276 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:16,000 Remember, under the FDA's mind, the only raw milk that they know 277 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,200 or that they acknowledge is filthy. 278 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,560 It has to be pasteurized. I actually agree with that. 279 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,400 I have no contention with that. The conventional milk should. 280 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,760 Be pasteurized because of the way they've set their standards 281 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,840 up in multiple 8 generations of dairymen have been trained that 282 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:30,760 milk's dirty. It's got to go. 283 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,120 The pasteurizer. The pasteurizer people love it 284 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,520 because it's cheap milk and they can make a brand out of it and 285 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,600 do their thing. That's the only FDA acknowledged 286 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,320 milk that they have. They will not sit with me. 287 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,760 They will not meet with me. I've begged for 1520 years to 288 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,120 sit down with to talk to them. They do not want to acknowledge 289 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:52,040 their own pub bed literature. It's archived at NIH or CDC. 290 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,560 They do not want to talk about clean milk that's tested. 291 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:57,800 They don't want to talk about that because if they do, that 292 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,440 means they have to acknowledge that theirs is filthy and it's 293 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,080 dead and the most allergenic food in America and mine's not. 294 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,880 And they'd have to acknowledge the European studies that show 295 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,240 the same thing to be true. So the FDA is literally burying 296 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,320 their heads of the sand to not acknowledge something that's 297 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,120 true in science, which is another kind of raw milk, which 298 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,600 is clean raw milk. Why is the FDA so beholden to 299 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,800 these dairy companies that are producing pasteurized milk? 300 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,200 If you look at the FDA, the people that work there came from 301 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,760 those dairies, came not those dairies, those processing 302 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,800 plants. And so they they're sharing back 303 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,520 and forth between the FDA and industry and they get golden 304 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,440 parachutes back and forth conveniently to protect 305 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,560 themselves. I've been at their conferences. 306 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,480 I was asked said if you want to change things, go to the NCIMS 307 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,080 conference. I went there in 2007. 308 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,080 I went there, went to Florida, I presented to the science 309 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:49,040 committee and I tried to go up to an FDA person to talk to 310 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:50,760 them. They ran away from me. 311 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:55,760 Like literally they ran, Oh my. Gosh, as fast as possible and 312 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,600 went to the hotel room and closed the door and I didn't run 313 00:14:58,600 --> 00:14:59,800 after. It was like, OK, I'm not going 314 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:00,840 to run. That's that's ridiculous. 315 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,680 I went and tried to find another one and they turned their back 316 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,320 to me. So it is a absolute essential 317 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,040 part of their paycheck. And when it's a part of your 318 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,880 paycheck not to do that, you're not going to do it. 319 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,840 And so I don't blame them. That's their reality. 320 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,840 That's the way it is. What we're going to do instead 321 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,880 is build a market and we'll wake up 1 morning and we will have 1. 322 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,120 And that's what's happening right now. 323 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,600 And you've talked to me a little bit already about the different 324 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,320 processes that you've put in place to ensure that your milk 325 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,880 is super clean, super sanitary. Can you talk a little bit about 326 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:32,760 some of those things that you do? 327 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,720 Milk that comes out of a healthy cow with an udder that's 328 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,680 prepared nicely. It's very clean and very safe. 329 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,160 There's not pathogens without a cow. 330 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,840 The milk is super clean. Coliforms of 1. 331 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,200 Do you know how many coliforms are allowed in the milk that 332 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,400 goes off to be pasteurized before it gets commingled with 333 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,120 other dairies? Can you explain what a coliform? 334 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:51,880 Is a coliform, is a sanitary bacteria. 335 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,040 It's a bacteria indicating how clean things are. 336 00:15:54,040 --> 00:16:00,120 OK, 750, wow, that's a whole different world and uncounted 337 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:01,680 when you combine it with other dairies that go out to be 338 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:02,960 pasteurized. So we're talking about really 339 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,320 clean milk. It still has a biodiversity of 340 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:09,720 beneficial bacteria, but it's clean and it's delicious and it 341 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,480 lasts 21 days. We do milk differently. 342 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,760 I have AT shirt that says we milk different but. 343 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:15,960 I was going to say, that's a good phrase. 344 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,600 We do dairy different. Yeah, my daughter gets credit 345 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:25,200 for that, Kaylee, But super clean cows, pastures, sunshine, 346 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:30,320 clean water, super clean utters, super clean equipment that goes 347 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,240 on the Otter that takes that milk instantly to a chiller that 348 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,200 within two minutes, it goes from 99° body temperature to the cow 349 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:42,040 down to 35° and holds it there, puts it into a silo tank where 350 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,400 we take a sample of that milk and test it for pathogens in our 351 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,680 own on farm lab, Thermo Fisher lab, and we get the data back in 352 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,320 19 to 20 hours. We have two microbiologists that 353 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,800 work for us to make sure that that data is there before we put 354 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,400 it in the bottle. We know it's in the milk. 355 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,280 And this is that's not what the FDA talks. 356 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,640 Like, right, right. And you were saying that I think 357 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,320 you're the only farm that does it this way, the only raw raw 358 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,119 farm or dairy farm in general? That we have. 359 00:17:05,319 --> 00:17:08,160 We have a community of farms under the Raw Milk Institute, 360 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,640 which is a nonprofit that I helped establish many years ago. 361 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,800 And many of those farms have on farm labs as well, but they're 362 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:16,520 not pathogen labs, They're sanitation labs. 363 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:18,520 They test to make sure that their color forms are really 364 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,599 low, which is indicating that things are clean. 365 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,880 Great. That's the standard we promote. 366 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,359 We went one step beyond because in California, it's a litigious 367 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,440 state that makes somebody sick. We're going to have a lawyer 368 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,760 wanting $1,000,000. So we absolutely wanted to go to 369 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,640 that extra level testing for the pathogens. 370 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,080 Pathogens. Yeah. 371 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,160 So even with all of these processes in place, then like 372 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,000 why? Why is there still so much 373 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,840 opposition to what you're doing? We're losing 5 1/2 dairies a day 374 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:48,480 in America. Conventional dairies. 375 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,640 Conventional dairies, because they're overslap ply milk for 376 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,880 the available available demand. So the big dairies are hoping 377 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,560 the little dairies go out of business so they can be the 378 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,160 biggest dairy and be king of the mountain. 379 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,840 And that works only a little bit of the time because most of the 380 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,680 time they get consumed by the bigger guy that wants to eat 381 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,280 them. And that's been going on for 60 382 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:06,960 years. We used to have a bunch of 20 383 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:08,760 cow dairies, and then there were 80 cow dairies and there were 384 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,920 200 cow dairies. Now they're 1700 cow dairies, 385 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:15,080 becoming 20,000 cow dairies. They're building a 100,000 cow 386 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,280 dairy in Kansas. Shocking, right? 387 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,280 So we aren't losing cows, we're losing farmers. 388 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,320 They're just fewer dairies with bigger. 389 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,240 But that's not the local food system that does raw milk for 390 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,240 people. So we are very supportive of 391 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,240 training farmers all over the world. 392 00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:33,320 We trained 155 farmers in Great Britain five years ago. 393 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,120 We train farmers of Canada where it's illegal. 394 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:37,800 We don't care if it's legal or not, we just want to make it 395 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,920 safe. We train farmers all over the 396 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,960 United States, Australia, New Zealand, everywhere. 397 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,680 We're helping a project in Scotland right now, which is 398 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,760 pretty cool. So we believe that you do three 399 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,840 things. And the NIH studies show this. 400 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,600 You use super high standards, you train the farmers in those 401 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,320 standards and they have a plan around how they're going to 402 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,600 execute those standards. And then you test and you have a 403 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,960 different milk. That milk is very safe. 404 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:09,520 That milk is delicious and it lasts 20 to 25 days and it 405 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,920 doesn't have the allergy. It it's not the allergy it it's 406 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,840 fantastic for the raw whey protein, stabilizes mast cells 407 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,000 and keeps histamines in check. And all these wonderful butter 408 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,120 fat globules are there and they act like immune cells, which are 409 00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:21,480 fantastic for your immune system. 410 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:26,360 People love it and they're buying it wherever they can get 411 00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:28,280 it. And whether it's legal or 412 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:29,560 illegal, people are going to get their milk. 413 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,800 We want it to be want it to be safe so everybody can enjoy it. 414 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,000 The farmers will thrive, consumers will thrive, and we'll 415 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,440 have a better country, a better world as a result. 416 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,480 Well, growing 1% per week is pretty wild. 417 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,480 I mean, I think that alone just speaks to the massive demand for 418 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,640 raw milk right now and the benefits that a lot of people 419 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,160 are experiencing from it. Talk to us about some of the 420 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,320 skin benefits of raw milk. Because we're a skin care 421 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,200 company, we get a lot of questions about eczema. 422 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,920 And I think the common line of thinking is to avoid dairy for 423 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,680 eczema, which I I would agree with in terms of conventional 424 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,360 dairy, but talk to me about why raw milk is different in that 425 00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:06,840 sense. Let's talk. 426 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,280 Let's talk about the body as a whole. 427 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,840 Let's do it. Your skin is your largest organ 428 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,840 in your body. I was a paramedic. 429 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,880 I taught paramedic medicine for 17 years, 15,000 paramedic 430 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,880 calls, premed trained. So enough, I know enough about 431 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,160 medicine to get myself in a lot of trouble. 432 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,320 Let's put it that way. OK, But your body is covered 433 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,440 with this organ of the skin, the epithelial skin in your body. 434 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,120 Well, when your gut microbiome is doing well and you have these 435 00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:33,160 wonderful fats and other Whole Foods, all these things, the 436 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,200 things down in raw milk, these immune system regulating 437 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,200 components, you start having a balanced microbiome. 438 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,160 Your skin is part of that microbiome and you don't have 439 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,480 the inflammation going on. You're not being driven by 440 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,000 allergies or the whole histamine response. 441 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,160 One thing that we know from acne, acne is it really is 442 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,800 associated with a dysbiotic environment with bacteria have 443 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,720 gone crazy. And so one of the things we find 444 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,120 is a common thread through people that consume raw milk and 445 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:04,160 Ramak kefir is that their skin clears up and really nice 446 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,120 because their microbiome is functioning properly. 447 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,440 And when you think about the microbiome, don't think about 448 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:10,240 it. It's just something in your 449 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,120 lower intestine. It's permeating through your 450 00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:14,840 entire being. There's not a lot of bacteria in 451 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:16,920 your brain, but I mean most of the rest of your body shares 452 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,120 bacteria all over the place. Yeah, especially the surface of 453 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:21,320 your skin. Certainly bacteria, absolutely. 454 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,080 And so you don't separate the systems of your body into 455 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,800 subparts, you think of the whole microbiome. 456 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,960 Dr. Bonnie Basler, a brilliant MIT scientist, many years ago 457 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,120 had a Ted talk about how bacteria talk. 458 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,480 And that 15 minutes Ted Talk changed my life because it talks 459 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,240 about 23,000 genes from mom and dad. 460 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,800 Yep, 23andMe. Yep, got that from dad. 461 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,880 And that's the hardware that makes us look the way we are. 462 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,080 But there's uncounted millions of genes that come from the 463 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,040 bacteria in you and on you that actually regulate how you 464 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,480 operate. That's the software. 465 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,120 So it's like a cell phone without, without any, without 466 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:57,240 any apps or soft, it doesn't work. 467 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,920 So you need to have that bandwidth of, of genetic 468 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:01,160 information at the cellular level. 469 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,240 And she explains that on this Ted talk. 470 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,680 And the whole human genome project was based on that. 471 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,240 What makes us human? We are literally bacterial 472 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:11,920 sapiens. When you think about this 473 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,200 mountain of bacteria that in it on us at all the times that we 474 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,040 need to make sure there are friendly bacteria, not friendly 475 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,560 bacteria. The way you do that is feed them 476 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,200 properly because the good food attracts good bacteria. 477 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,280 So if you eat a lot of sugar, expect the yeast to come, you're 478 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,440 going to have problems. If you have preservatives and 479 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,400 antibiotics and all those kinds of things, you're going to have 480 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,040 sorted, you're not going to diversity of beneficial 481 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,080 bacteria. You're going to have some 482 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,400 pathogenic bacteria and some problems in your skin from 483 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,560 infection. So lower infection, lower 484 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,000 inflammation, less chronic diseases, all those things come 485 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,160 from the gut, Hippocrates said 23150 years ago. 486 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,920 Hippocrates, ancient Greek doctor, all disease begins in 487 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,280 the gut. That food be your medicine, 488 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:53,920 medicine be your food. I do no harm. 489 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,840 So it all begins in the gut. He had it right. 490 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,120 He had it right a long time ago. Yeah. 491 00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:01,240 And then we've kind of lost our way but a little bit. 492 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,640 I think things are kind of coming full circle. 493 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,160 Now they have to. Yeah. 494 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,720 We can't continue on the path we're on. 495 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,160 No, we can't. And we say the same thing as a 496 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,040 skin care company. Like we obviously want everyone 497 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,920 to use our products, but we also talk about how you can't 498 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,920 separate your skin health from the health of your body as a 499 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,920 whole. And so education has always been 500 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,840 a big core component of the brand. 501 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,280 And that's why we're doing this podcast and having people like. 502 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:24,440 You with that? I need a swig of milk. 503 00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:27,440 Yeah, we've got raw farm milk care. 504 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,600 That is so important what you just said. 505 00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:32,480 Don't separate your skin from the rest of your body. 506 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,920 I feel like we would be doing people such a disservice as a 507 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,520 skin care company to only sell product and not pair that with 508 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,520 education on how to be healthy in general. 509 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,320 Correct, Because that's going to reflect in the health of your 510 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,120 skin. And you know, I'm not a big fat 511 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:48,680 guy. I just say whole food nutrition, 512 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,640 whole food, whatever you're eating, make sure it's whole. 513 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,600 Yeah, don't forget the good fats. 514 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,240 Yeah, because they're so anti-inflammatory and so power 515 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:58,840 and they're, they, they're like little. 516 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,080 They carry packages of information to various parts of 517 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,040 our body that need it. This package includes A genetic 518 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,440 coding and, and what to do. Robbuck does three things, 519 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,920 nourishes completely, protects and directs 3 things. 520 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,760 All the things that a newborn baby would want you get as an 521 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,680 adult because you're smart enough to be able to domesticate 522 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:22,320 an animal, whether it was a cow, goat, a sheep, a horse, a camel, 523 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,440 a reindeer. I mean that's the diversity of 524 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,640 animals we've had domesticated for the last 15,000 years. 525 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,840 I had like a light bulb moment earlier when you were talking 526 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,440 about how, you know, raw milk is the first food and it's what 527 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,760 builds the bacteria in your gut. And then I was thinking like, 528 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,400 after, after taking antibiotics, do you ever have to take 529 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,640 antibiotics for whatever reason? Like people will say like eat 530 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,360 the rainbow and and these different things to rebuild the 531 00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:48,920 bacteria in the gut, But I feel like probably the best thing you 532 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,000 could do would be to drink. Raw milk or peeper, I would say 533 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,440 it is raw milk, but it's been fermented and it's had twelve 534 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,560 additional bacteria added, which are very intentional. 535 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,360 But you got the biodiversity of the milk and then you add in 12 536 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:04,640 more and it's been fermented to 10 to 15,000,000 per milliliter. 537 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,040 So biodiversity and massive amounts. 538 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,840 Make a smoothie out of that. With all the rainbow you're 539 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,760 talking about, make yourself a rainbow smoothie. 540 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,040 But this is the base and makes everything more bioavailable 541 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,640 too, because all those wonderful functional enzymes are there. 542 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,760 OK, and you brought some. I feel like we should try it 543 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,960 right now. I've never tried kefir, this 544 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:22,640 will be my first. Time. 545 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,480 Oh my word, I know word. Here we go. 546 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,200 First time ever the regular. One and a new lemon. 547 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,960 Medicine plain, and that's just the plain. 548 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,760 This is lemon essence, which is basically just lemon essence. 549 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,640 It's a organic lemon flavoring without sugar, and so there's no 550 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,280 preservatives. Look at the ingredients, it's 551 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,240 pretty short. Cultured whole raw milk and 552 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:45,560 lemon extract. Done. 553 00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:47,320 Easy. Not going on for three 554 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,240 paragraphs of all the stuff your body doesn't understand. 555 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,880 Right. It's kind of thickened raw milk 556 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,080 because it's kind of on its way to become yogurt. 557 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,280 Kind of. OK, so this is lemon. 558 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,120 Lemon. Oh. 559 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,440 That's good. I could do that. 560 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:02,960 Yeah, I could do that. Every day. 561 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,880 It's good stuff. Yeah, I love the lemon. 562 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:08,720 It's almost like. One of my favorite. 563 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,800 It's delicious. Like, I could have this after 564 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,480 dinner and feel like like I just had a treat. 565 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,080 So you touched on your background as a paramedic. 566 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,840 I feel like you've done a lot, lot of different things in life. 567 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,520 You're a pilot. You flew here for this interview 568 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,600 like so many. You have such a such a cool. 569 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,040 Background I am living my absolute passion in my life 570 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,720 everything I've wanted to do, everything I'm doing is with 571 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,320 purpose and I feel really good about it and. 572 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,720 How did you get into the Rock Dairy business? 573 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,120 How did it begin? Cute story about that. 574 00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:46,760 My grandparents passed away in 1996 and gave my brothers and I 575 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,760 basically 1000 acres of ground, agricultural ground and my 576 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,000 brothers were doing well and doing things in Cupertino and 577 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,600 working with Steve Jobs at Apple Computer and my brother and 578 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,440 doing all kinds of stuff. I said Nope, you do it, we 579 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,560 aren't going to do it and I was kind of done with dead bodies in 580 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,840 24 hour shifts. I was done with that whole 581 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:05,880 thing. I was like I want to get some 582 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:06,200 sleep. He. 583 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,200 Did that for. What, 716 years? 584 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:14,000 Yeah, 1980 to 1996. So took back the farm, but it 585 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:19,840 was very intentional that I wanted to serve people, not the 586 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,280 commodity markets, because I saw all my neighbors going through 587 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,600 this roller coaster of up and down prices and as soon as 588 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,560 something was good, everybody plant and kill it and it was 589 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,320 just bad. So I wanted to differentiate. 590 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,560 And so we threw a long story made short, we actually got a 591 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,440 call. I started a dairy, organic 592 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,480 dairy, and we're serving Organic Valley, but I was going to Los 593 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,080 Angeles a lot. We got a call from a guy named 594 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,800 James Stewart and he operated a little place called the Garage. 595 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:49,320 This is in the back streets of Venice. 596 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,080 He said, Mark Altadena just went out of business. 597 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,880 We need your ROM up. There's no ROM up down here. 598 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,320 Everybody's screaming buddy murder for it. 599 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,520 I said, what do you mean ROM up? And they explained it to me. 600 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,280 I said I'm I'm on it. So I got a bunch of half gallons 601 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,600 of milk, half gallons of plastic containers, no label or 602 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,800 anything. Bottled it up out of our our 603 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,120 bowl cake, put it on ice, put in an ice chest. 604 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:10,080 And my wife and I drove to LA and drove into this alley. 605 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,920 And this is where my raw milk world began. 606 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,760 Go over to this alley. In this alley, there are movie 607 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,520 stars. There are moms, dads, every walk 608 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,080 of life you can imagine cheering. 609 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,200 Say, Oh my God, thank you for coming. 610 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,240 We couldn't even open our suburban doors. 611 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,200 They open the back. Started taking milk out, started 612 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,840 throwing 10 and $20 bills in the car. 613 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,480 And I'm going, what's going on here? 614 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:34,960 Right? They open the doors, get out. 615 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,880 They're just cheering. Say, come back tomorrow. 616 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,440 You're out of Rama up. We ran out of Rama up. 617 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,320 We need more and this gal comes up to my wife who's a labour and 618 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,000 delivery nurse and she said they're out of raw milk and my 619 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,760 daughter has a a condition, I'm sure what it was. 620 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,960 She has to have raw milk. She's been having all kinds of 621 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,440 problems since Altadena left the market a few months ago. 622 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,120 My wife went to this gal who had taken 10 gallons. 623 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,440 She gave gave her back some of her money, took three or four 624 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,400 and gave to this woman for free. Had a long, tearful conversation 625 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,880 with his mom who had this child that needed this milk badly. 626 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,560 So the appeal to my economics, they appealed to my humanity, 627 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,440 they appealed to my medical background and deep deeply into 628 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,600 my wife's emotion of this woman needing it for a child. 629 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,080 How long ago did that? That was 1999, OK, 25 years ago. 630 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,720 And that's when it all began. That's when it began. 631 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,200 I drove home 70 miles an hour. I said we got to build a 632 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,760 Creamery now and we did. We got a big old 50 foot reefer 633 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,480 van that had a cold chiller on one end. 634 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,560 We tilted it up a little bit so water flew out the back, put a 635 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,400 wall in the middle bottle on one end and we shipped out of the 636 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,200 other end. And we built $1,000,000 market 637 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,240 the first year with James Stewart. 638 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:45,760 That's how we started when we called Whole Foods, I didn't 639 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,520 James called because he was our distributor at that time. 640 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,960 He goes how fast can you drive that product down here. 641 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,040 That was their invitation for us in in 2001 because they knew 642 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,560 they they knew there was a demand. 643 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,120 They wanted it. Whole Foods changed. 644 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,960 Their changed their whole tune in 2010 when they kicked me out. 645 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,440 Two kids got sick in Connecticut, had nothing to do 646 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,400 with us, and they had to write a check. 647 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,600 Milk wasn't even in Connecticut. No, this is somebody else doing 648 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,320 local raw milk in Connecticut. Bless their heart. 649 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,840 They had 12 cow dairy selling milk. 650 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,040 They didn't know what they're doing. 651 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,360 They got two kids sick, kids live, they're fine. 652 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,080 But the checks for writing the check, the liability came out of 653 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,920 Austin, TX and Austin, TX did not have any raw milk there and 654 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,040 they didn't care about California. 655 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,000 So I was like you're out of here. 656 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,600 So that's where Sprouts and Jimbo's and all these mother's 657 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,480 Marks and they picked us up and we grew like crazy since then 658 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,080 are. You back in Whole Foods now? 659 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,920 No, we want to be, love to be. But they're still, they're still 660 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,200 not letting you guys back in. Unfortunately not. 661 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,280 The marketing data shows us going like this. 662 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,320 Sprouts stock is at $120.00 a share right now. 663 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,960 Last year it was 35 at this time of the year. 664 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,280 Wow. Whole Foods was 35 now at 5060, 665 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,440 so they doubled. They did pretty well, but 666 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,680 Sprouts went triple, quadruple and they carry our products 667 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,280 nationally and in California. I'm not claiming it's all us, 668 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,000 but we're part of that story. I call it my stock price. 669 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,960 Raw milk is legal in California and only 12. 670 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaking in California, Arizona, Washington State, Pennsylvania, 671 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,840 Idaho, Connecticut, Maine, those are where you can buy raw milk 672 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,360 in the store. OK, Now there's a bunch of like 673 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,960 20 state, 25 states. We can actually buy milk on the 674 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,080 farm as part of a herd share or some other negotiated deal. 675 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,160 And there's only a handful of states that made raw milk 676 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,040 illegal like Hawaii. And they're about to change. 677 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,800 I'm very proud to say that Delaware just a few weeks ago 678 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,200 changed their law to allow raw milk. 679 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,760 It was illegal before and it was one of our farmers that we 680 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,400 trained in Delaware, Stephanie, who actually approached her 681 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,840 Congress and actually got complete support, including 682 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,520 their secretary of agriculture, because we defined what raw milk 683 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,640 was that we wanted to produce. It wasn't raw milk for 684 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,440 pastorization. It was raw milk for people. 685 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,720 And all those farms in Delaware are going to have an on farm lab 686 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:54,680 now. Wow. 687 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,160 They went from 43 dairies 2 years ago down to 13 dairies 688 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,440 because the loss of dairies and now they're they're going to 689 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,720 grow back because they're going to be doing raw milk for the 690 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,440 local communities. The loss of dairies, OK, we 691 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:10,120 touched on this earlier, but is this happening because of all of 692 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,240 these plant based milk alternatives and the rise of 693 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:18,120 that or are conventional dairies losing business because raw milk 694 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,680 is on the rise or is it a combination? 695 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,000 Of I would say if pasteurized milk was so great, they would 696 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,960 have kept their customers. Yeah, when you're highly 697 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,720 allergenic, doesn't taste very good, and you got lactose 698 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,360 intolerance or pasteurization intolerance as we call it, you 699 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,640 actually destroy your own market. 700 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,960 And so the milk alternatives came up, some of them done 701 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,080 better than others, but they're kind of flattened off and some 702 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,680 have died off. It's kind of done its thing, but 703 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,360 people are searching for the real deal, the one that's been 704 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,920 around for 15,000 years. It's not a fad, it's not an 705 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,280 alternative, it's the real thing. 706 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,600 Why is it still illegal in so many states? 707 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,080 Money. If you go to the Kearing where 708 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,920 they're talking about legalization of raw milk, who 709 00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:03,560 shows up, tells you the story. The FDA shows up, says no way, 710 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,080 no way, no way. Or they have their local 711 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,600 veterinarian go do it for them. And the pasteurizer, the, the 712 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,080 processors will show up and they'll say, oh, they're going 713 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,160 to kill people. They're going to do this. 714 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,480 They can do that. And we have the mothers show up 715 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,440 with the farmers that want to do raw milk and they tell their 716 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,480 side of the story and say, we agree that kind of not raw milk 717 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:21,800 you're producing needs to be pasteurized. 718 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,080 We're talking about a kind of raw milk you can't produce that 719 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,920 we can produce on a farm meticulously that results in 720 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,480 very safe, low risk raw milk. And that's not a raw milk we're 721 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:31,560 talking about that you're talking about. 722 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,880 We're talking about a different kind of raw milk. 723 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,120 And people go, what do you mean? Well, it's about standards. 724 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,760 This kind of standards over here, this kind of bacteria 725 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,560 counts, all that kind of stuff. And this kind of treatment of 726 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,320 the milk that's your standard or this kind of raw milk. 1 farmer, 727 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,000 high standards testing, very clean, connected to consumers, 728 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,400 an entirely different proposition. 729 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,800 And that that works really really well. 730 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,000 I feel like pasteurization as a process, it really allows the 731 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,320 farmer to cut a lot of corners and how they treat the cows, how 732 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,560 the cows are raised in just all of their processes. 733 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,520 They're able to turn a blind eye to doing things in the best way 734 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,159 possible because they're kind of just relying on pasteurization 735 00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:12,120 as the safety blanket. That's totally true, Bethany. 736 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,600 And it even goes deeper than that because the farmer has no 737 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,400 connection to consumer. Their connection is to the 738 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,239 processor. They have nothing to show 739 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,480 anybody from the public and they consider the public kind of the 740 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,520 pita freaks, the the people that are going to cause a problem 741 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,880 that they're going to fly drones over the farm, tell bad stories 742 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,719 about them and they like no trespassing kind of stay away 743 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,719 from me. A lot of farmers feel that way, 744 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,719 Not all farmers. Some farmers really want to do 745 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,960 better and they work really hard, but many are very, very 746 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,320 adverse to people because they're so private. 747 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,159 It's like, no, I sell to the processor, processor deal with 748 00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:49,000 people. They don't want to deal with 749 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,280 people I love. I love people come to our farm 750 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,679 because I want to teach. I want to hear their story. 751 00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:56,360 I want to hear why they're drinking raw milk, how they 752 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,760 found out about us. I want to embrace myself with 753 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,520 people. And the these gentlemen are not, 754 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,840 they don't have any money because they're on the edge 755 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,840 financially because they're being paid so little. 756 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,840 So they have nothing really to show off on their farm. 757 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,040 Most of the time it's kind of a mess and they're just trying to 758 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,240 scrape together any kind of milk they can to put in that tank to 759 00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:17,160 send it off. It's a different world. 760 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,840 Why is raw milk so villainized when other raw foods like 761 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,120 spinach is equally able or even more so to cause like sickness? 762 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,120 If you look at the dynamics of somebody who's selling 763 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,840 vegetables at a farmer's market, the vegetables are being sold 764 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,720 directly to people. You don't pasteurize vegetables, 765 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,040 Vegetables, you sell them directly to people. 766 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,760 And the person come back the next week and gets more. 767 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,920 You have a relationship. Pasteurized milk. 768 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,880 Sold to a processor. You don't talk talk to people, 769 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,000 ever. Pasteurized milk. 770 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,400 So it's a commercialized system where the processors do not want 771 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,960 me talking to people because if I go to people, it bypasses the 772 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,080 processor. So it's all about the money. 773 00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:59,960 It's all about the fact that they had built a battleship, 100 774 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:03,880 years of building this big thing that all it does is cook milk 775 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,600 and my product can't go through that process. 776 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,960 So they are like, what do we do? What do we do? 777 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,600 Oh, we're scrambling. What are we going to do? 778 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:13,520 What are we going to? Oh my God. 779 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,080 It displaces the big processed industry consolidation, and 780 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,240 they're extremely threatened by that. 781 00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:21,600 Yeah, that's why it's villainized. 782 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,600 Exactly why it's villainized because. 783 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,920 At the expense of of a lot of people's health, right? 784 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,400 At the expense of all the bioactives that should go into 785 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:30,560 human beings to make them better. 786 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,360 Yeah, 100%. What are some of the the 787 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,280 craziest transformations or stories that you've seen from 788 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,560 customers or family members that have experienced I'll? 789 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,320 Tell you, one of my favourites goes with all the things I like 790 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,960 to do in my life. The gal's name is Susan Johnson. 791 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,160 She runs the whole. I love Susan, she's my sister. 792 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,640 Is he great? Susan's one of my heroes, by the 793 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:51,520 way. Yeah, she's the best. 794 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,120 Kicker and the whole story. She was working in a 795 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:59,640 pediatrician's office up in Mammoth many years ago and she 796 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,760 needed some raw milk and she didn't have any up there. 797 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,160 She had a kid with head to toe eczema, skin eruption, just a 798 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,560 mess, only two or three years old, real young kid. 799 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,200 And she knew raw milk was going to help the child. 800 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,680 So she called me up and I flew my airplane up there with raw 801 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,400 milk. It's a 25 minute flight. 802 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,600 It's like 8 hour drives like so I flew it up there. 803 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,800 I gave it to her and we started a little raw milk market up 804 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,400 there and she started giving this child free. 805 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,920 I gave the child free. She tried taking picture this 806 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,800 child. Within about a month, the child 807 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,080 was completely free of all the skin problems. 808 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,160 Wow, I love that. And that was that was a 809 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,160 compassionate knowledge based scientific move. 810 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,840 Pediatrician, pediatrician's office to just show what what we 811 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,400 can do here. There are things found in raw 812 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,280 milk that are they direct the cell function of what we're 813 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,720 supposed to do. They align things, the mRNA back 814 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,640 mRNA, genetic coding, the information that DNA, the RNA, 815 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,800 ribonucleic acid actually direct cell function. 816 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,800 It tells the body what to do when it's confused. 817 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,000 And so when there are things going wrong, many of those 818 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,600 things can be corrected. And I'm not going to claim 819 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,080 everything, but I'm telling you a lot of things go straight when 820 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,560 when they need to because of how scrambled things are. 821 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,000 We, we've implemented a new policy in our household where we 822 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,080 have kind of eliminated like snacking between meals for, for 823 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,280 my husband and I and for our kids. 824 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,320 We're just kind of trying to like move away from that. 825 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,400 But we say if you're hungry between meals, you can have raw 826 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,880 milk. And so it's kind of like 827 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,400 essentially like an unlimited raw milk policy in our 828 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,920 household. And we're just kind of relying 829 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,560 on our intuition and our kids intuition of like how much they 830 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,440 need. But we've noticed that in the 831 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,920 last several months, like we've been, we're around other kids 832 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,640 all the time, other kids with sicknesses, like my kids are 833 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,120 exposed to a lot of different things. 834 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,000 And like they've been so healthy, especially like since 835 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,120 we've been doing this, there's we've been dealing with a few 836 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,520 sicknesses already at this point hasn't happened this year. 837 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,080 Well, the studies coming out of Europe, the particle study, the 838 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,760 Gabriel study and other follow on studies, they're all NIH 839 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:04,920 website talk about 55,000 kids across Europe studied over a 840 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,920 period of several years. This is like 15 years ago and 841 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,960 how they had lesser rates of fever, flu, flu is virus, flu is 842 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:18,200 virus, ear infections, nasal drainage, cough, those kinds of 843 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,480 things dramatically low and asthma was dramatically lower. 844 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,280 So the raw whey protein is a very big part of this. 845 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,120 And I'm going to say the whole thing, it's all the things. 846 00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:36,440 There was a study done by the National Dairy Council 2021 847 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,840 published by Cornell University NIH about all of the bio actors 848 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,600 they want to take out of unprocessed milk to make medical 849 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,720 claims on to patent. Wow. 850 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,880 I saw that home run ring the ring the wind because they're 851 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,920 acknowledging that in fact there is a difference between 852 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,040 pasteurizing and raw and the FDA says there's no difference. 853 00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:00,520 That's a lie. Straight up bold faced lie. 854 00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:03,960 The processors themselves recognize post COVID that people 855 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,800 are looking for adaptive resilient immune systems. 856 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,600 These bio actors give them that. Well, you are really selling me 857 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:11,760 on real. I mean, I know you're not trying 858 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:12,240 to sell me. You're. 859 00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:13,920 Educating me educated. And I've already. 860 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,720 Been We do not sell raw milk, we teach it. 861 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,080 You teach it, you teach it, but I feel like I've been passionate 862 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,320 about raw milk for the last couple of years and now I'm even 863 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,480 more excited about it. And I'm excited to even like I'm 864 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,240 excited for our customers to hear this episode in our 865 00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:30,800 community because we do have so many people in our community 866 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,560 that ask about different things. Like, I mean, eczema is a big 867 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,120 one for for kids. And I'm just, I'm excited for 868 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,840 people to hear this information and I'm excited to implement it 869 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,600 into some of like our recommendations. 870 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,080 Because in the past, even as a raw milk fan, our recommendation 871 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,600 has been to kind of like avoid dairy if you're, if you or your 872 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,280 child is struggling with eczema. And now my perspective is really 873 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,120 shifting on that. And because everything that 874 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:56,240 you're saying makes so much sense. 875 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,360 Pasteurized dairy and raw dairy are worlds apart. 876 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,400 Don't even think about them in the same world. 877 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,840 And you add in your pasture bird, you add in, you add in 878 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,040 good poultry, you get a good meat, pastured meat. 879 00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:11,360 You add in eggs, you add in the vegetables, you add in fermented 880 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,520 stuff. Sauerkraut, a cornucopia of 881 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,520 life. These whole food and raw milk 882 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,080 together. That's what we're supposed to be 883 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,240 eating, unprocessed, whole natural foods. 884 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:24,200 And if we do, when we do, those that do will transfer their 885 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,240 lives, it'll change their lives and it'll be a multi 886 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:29,080 generational thing if they get the kids going fertility, think 887 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:30,680 about the fertility and fertility is going crazy. 888 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,480 Huge epidemic it. I mean, it's just the tentacles 889 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,920 go deep. We need to start changing 890 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,200 immediately. We should have changed many 891 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,520 years ago, but let's do it now. It will help the farmers, it 892 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,480 will help the consumers or will be better. 893 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,200 That leads into my next question. 894 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,320 Where do you see the future of raw milk headed in America? 895 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,440 Dollar voting is showing us right now consumers would rather 896 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,160 pay $18.00 a gallon for this product and I apologize for the 897 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,160 price. It's too high. 898 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,760 But you're doing a lot, a lot. There's so many processes behind 899 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,480 the scenes. That you've talked about, we 900 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,520 don't get the $18.00. Let me tell you, we get, we get 901 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,960 a lot less than that. The stores get a big piece of 902 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,840 that. But my point is, somebody's 903 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:14,360 choosing, they're choosing that milk at $18.00 a gallon versus 904 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,360 something far cheaper for a reason. 905 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,280 People do not spend money twice. They may once, but they don't 906 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,800 spend money twice unless it's serving a purpose in their life. 907 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,360 So I think that's really showing the true direction of where 908 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,040 we're going, where food is medicine, true medicine, 909 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:33,040 preventative medicine. And it's scary living and 910 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,520 hearing, oh, that person just came down with cancer. 911 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,920 Oh, that person's going to have an ileostomy. 912 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,200 Well, that person just broke her bones. 913 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,280 That person's got a bunch of problems with her teeth all 914 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:44,520 around us. It's like you're walking in the 915 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,720 minefield. When are you going to step on 916 00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:49,640 the mine? It's a wake up tall for all of 917 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,680 us to think prevention through nutrition, it really matters and 918 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,000 it's personal. It's your choice. 919 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,920 And sometimes that's hard to do. Addictive foods are hard to 920 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,960 break those addictions. Sometimes it's a cost thing. 921 00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:03,920 But I think the most valuable thing we have in our life is, is 922 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,440 is nutrition and love. I honestly think like as you 923 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,920 were talking about the food like addictions that we can have to 924 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,560 to food. That's absolutely true. 925 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,240 And I have found that like if I'm craving a dessert or 926 00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:19,640 something like something sweet, I used to have a major sweet 927 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,040 tooth. I feel like it's dissipated a 928 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,680 lot in the recent years. But if I do have those cravings 929 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,720 like I will now just pour myself a cup of raw milk and it 930 00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:29,720 nourishes me and satiates. It satiates you. 931 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,080 The fat actually makes you feel. Full and I feel good. 932 00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:34,360 I don't. I don't feel gross. 933 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,000 Well, I feel like. It's a great way. 934 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,040 Serotonin, dopamine that's made in your gut, that travels to 935 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,360 your brain. It makes you feel good. 936 00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:46,360 It makes you behave better. The gut brain axis is way 937 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,280 underrated, way under appreciated. 938 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,640 I mean, this reaches into the crime levels and all kinds of 939 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,840 stuff and and and people that are in prisons, what did they 940 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,000 grow up and what the food that they had what opportunity they 941 00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,760 have. I think every prison should have 942 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,960 a raw milk carry. I really do not only for the the 943 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,760 contact with the animal, but the raw milk that it gives them. 944 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:05,920 I mean, there's so much we can do. 945 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,840 Yeah, be huge, be wonderful. Anyway, I I think this is great 946 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,960 steps in the right direction for better humanity. 947 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,560 Yeah, I have a few a few kind of random questions to close us 948 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,360 out. Love those. 949 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,400 Well, first, I haven't asked you about colostrum yet. 950 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,080 Talk to us about colostrum because I have always thought of 951 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,320 colostrum as the first, just the first milk. 952 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,560 I thought of it as a like a type of milk that may be more 953 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,800 nutrient dense, but it's not. That's not quite the case, 954 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:37,440 right? No. 955 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,600 Colostrum is not milk. It comes. 956 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,080 It does not come from the lacteal gland. 957 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,960 Lacteal glands lactate. They create milk, which is a 958 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,880 lactation colostrum comes from another source inside the other, 959 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,200 which is actually a serum complements blood system stuff. 960 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,360 It's it's the the immunoglobulins, antibodies and 961 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,360 all those things that come from the blood system. 962 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,520 And that only makes sense because you wouldn't want those 963 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,080 to go into leak together the baby immediately to go into its 964 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,200 blood system as the first nursing in life. 965 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,160 So that's why mammals have a colostrum that's given the baby 966 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,320 before the milk comes in, which is a day or two after the 967 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,240 colostrum has been sucked out or suckled. 968 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,080 Out prepare the gut. It prepares the gut, it gives 969 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,200 the antibodies into the bloodstream to give that baby a 970 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,280 boost of what the mother's life experiences in for her blood 971 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,600 system in the baby's blood system. 972 00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:27,000 And remember, babies and moms don't share the same blood 973 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,560 system because of the umbilical cord. 974 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,960 The personal barrier doesn't allow the baby can have a 975 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,480 different blood system than mom. Different. 976 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,400 Blood type potentially. Right. 977 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,680 So these are the way to cross that personal barrier after 978 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,360 birth, which is suckling from the breast. 979 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,040 So colostrum is high in HGH, the human growth hormone. 980 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,040 It's high in fat, it's high in all kinds of interesting 981 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,520 immunoglobulins, antibodies. So it's not really milk, it's 982 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,440 more of an immune transfer. Remember this, it's a kind of a 983 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,760 warning, but if you have cancer, the HGH could stimulate the 984 00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,040 growth of that cancer with Colosseum. 985 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,840 So be cautious. It could also cure, but at the 986 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,680 same time, it could actually stimulate the growth because 987 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,640 it's got those, those those hormones that drive growth. 988 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,720 And it's got human growth hormone, which is obviously very 989 00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:13,960 good for weight lifting and things like that. 990 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:20,600 So there's a mixed bag there. It's very, very health 991 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,680 supporting, but just be aware. Yeah. 992 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,360 There's some things there. Raw milk comes on as the lacteal 993 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:34,000 to me, as the colostrum is dissipated, the lacteal let down 994 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,240 the follicle cement and hormone and all that stuff. 995 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,800 Prolactin starts to make the milk come in and then you start 996 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,800 producing milk and the mother they gorgeous with milk and the 997 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,720 baby, they think it's milk that actually supports the growth of 998 00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:48,800 all the bacteria that was in the colostrum and actually then 999 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,280 starts to colonize the gut and you start off your first steps 1000 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,360 of the immune system and the baby. 1001 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,160 It's fascinating. How it all works? 1002 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:55,200 Together, it all works. Together. 1003 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:56,520 Yeah, Mother Nature's got going on. 1004 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:57,720 Yeah. Loop Prince of Life. 1005 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,920 Talk to me about the raw cheese loophole that I'm doing going to 1006 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,400 do air quotes raw cheese loophole. 1007 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,800 In the United States, the word raw is not defined. 1008 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,760 Pasteurization is defined as 149° for 30 minutes. 1009 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,120 That's a VAT pasteurization. And then there's protocols for 1010 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:15,840 shorter time but higher temperatures all the way up to 1011 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,120 282°. That's all the cook this stuff. 1012 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,240 But if you've got 148°, that's raw, but it's not. 1013 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,520 So if you think about a big processing plant that wants to 1014 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,920 make money on raw cheeses, they got all this garbage milk that 1015 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,760 comes in high bacteria counts, pathogens, all kinds of stuff. 1016 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,840 The cultures that you would add into the cheese to make it 1017 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,960 become cheddar or whatever it's going to be won't work very well 1018 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,960 because the background bacteria levels are so high. 1019 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,240 So why not cook it a little bit, but not quite pasteurized? 1020 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,040 Or if we don't have a pasteurizer license, take it as 1021 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:48,440 high as you want because nobody's going to care. 1022 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,000 Because we don't, we don't pasteurize because we don't have 1023 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,000 a license to pasteurize, because it's a license thing. 1024 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:54,480 So you're going to cook it a little bit. 1025 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,000 And then because it's not truly pasteurized, because you don't 1026 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,000 have a pasteurizer's license, then when you cool it back down, 1027 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,480 your cultures will work because the background floor has been 1028 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,960 killed off. Because these these cultures you 1029 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,200 put in don't want competition because the background cultures 1030 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:10,960 are kind of directed to do what it's going to do because you're 1031 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,280 fermenting. So Long story short is there are 1032 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,280 a few producers of truly raw cheese. 1033 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,360 That's where you take really clean milk and you take it up to 1034 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,800 about 100° of temperature with body temperature and you're 1035 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,280 adding cultures and you become a truly raw cheese, which 1036 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,560 preserves all these bio act as we're talking about all these 1037 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,280 other proteins and peptidases and enzymes and things that are 1038 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,960 really important. So we make a truly raw cheese. 1039 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:32,920 There are a few other people that do too, but the big guys 1040 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,440 don't. OK, so how would consumers know 1041 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,040 if the cheese that they're getting is truly raw? 1042 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,800 You call the company up and you say, what's your VAT 1043 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,480 temperature? And if they hang up, you know 1044 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,200 the answer, you just pissed them off. 1045 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,720 And that's generally the answer is it's none of your business 1046 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,560 and buy. If they have a VAT temperature 1047 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,720 that's below let's say 100 and 510°, it's truly raw. 1048 00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:58,920 They're going to brag about it. They're going to say, oh, let me 1049 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:03,120 tell you, it's really exciting. But that's kind of hard because 1050 00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,720 when you disconnect the farmer to the consumer, you can't call 1051 00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:08,600 the farmer the consumer. The, the processors don't 1052 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,760 represent the farmers. And they've got a 100 line that 1053 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,080 rarely you get a real person. So it's part of that, like you 1054 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,920 said, that loophole that well, we're not going to tell you if 1055 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,920 you don't ask and you can't ask us because you can't get a hold 1056 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,440 of us. So the raw cheeses that are 1057 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,040 presented by some of these large producers are not truly raw. 1058 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,720 They've been aged 60 days. That's true, but they've not. 1059 00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:29,960 They've been cooked a little bit and all your bio actors are 1060 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,560 gone. What would you say to someone 1061 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,000 who thinks that consuming another mammal's milk is strange 1062 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,200 or unnatural? That would only happen in a 1063 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,400 first world country with all kinds of Walmart food. 1064 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,360 You take away all the Walmart food and all the food around 1065 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,400 you, put you in the middle of nowhere naked and afraid you'd 1066 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,680 beg for a domesticated animal because you'd starve without it. 1067 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,640 Interesting thing about that is mankind's last 15,000 years have 1068 00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,520 made domesticated animals a best friend because you can eat their 1069 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,600 meat. Cow has a couple calves you can 1070 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,720 kill the full calve and keep the temper to grow up and be another 1071 00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:08,280 milk cow. Goats, sheep, horses, all these 1072 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,240 were edible as well as producing edible milk which was food for 1073 00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:15,280 today. So I appreciate their comment, 1074 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,440 but look at the history and look at the fact that there's 1075 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,240 they're, they're neglecting the nutritional bio active component 1076 00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:26,320 which is missing in our gut as math dusting as a crisis in 1077 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,240 America with their autoimmune problems and our inflammation in 1078 00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:31,200 our gut. Yeah, makes sense. 1079 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:33,760 OK. There are parents in jail right 1080 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,680 now for vegan diets in children because of brain damage. 1081 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,280 Where? Where is this happening? 1082 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,320 Florida, really. There was a mom and dad put in 1083 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:41,400 jail. I mean, he spent six months 1084 00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,040 because they deprived their children of any kind of animal 1085 00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,480 fat and the child got brain damage as a result. 1086 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,600 The First Food of Life gives us some details about the 1087 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:49,960 blueprints of what we're supposed to eat. 1088 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,240 Breast milk has raw fats in it. That's an animal fat. 1089 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,760 Would you ever think that the the child should not have animal 1090 00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,440 fat in their diet? If breast milk is the blueprints 1091 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,840 of life, that's very telling. It tells you everything right 1092 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,120 there in my opinion. Makes sense. 1093 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,200 OK, we're going to close out with some rapid. 1094 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:09,360 Fire. This has been awesome. 1095 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:10,320 Rapid fire. Here we go. 1096 00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:14,240 Mark, if you had to choose between drinking conventional 1097 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,160 almond milk or conventional pasteurized cow's milk for the 1098 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,880 rest of your life, which one would you pick? 1099 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,680 Oh boy. Conventional pasteurized milk or 1100 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,480 almond milk. With gums and fillers. 1101 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,480 I just came out of the International Milk Genomics 1102 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:34,280 Consortium and heard a professor talk or PhD talk about when fats 1103 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,560 are cooked they aren't good for you and they cause heart 1104 00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,560 disease. So I'm not in love with that 1105 00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,200 concept at all. On that side. 1106 00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,040 What I would do is probably the almond milk and cheat and throw 1107 00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,000 it over my shoulder and go find myself a cow and get Rama. 1108 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,680 OK, you found a loophole. Found a loophole. 1109 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,480 I don't know, but I know that cooked fat in the raw milk 1110 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,080 scenario has not been shown to be beneficial for heart disease. 1111 00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,840 Raw fats are fantastic and anti-inflammatory and very good 1112 00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,360 to your heart. So I'm not against almond milk, 1113 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:03,840 but it just doesn't give you the bio actives. 1114 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:04,920 It's just not there. Yeah. 1115 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,560 But maybe a more benign option than small cow's milk? 1116 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,560 I think so. Yeah, yeah, I know. 1117 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,120 I always think about that because I hate all of the the 1118 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,640 added fillers in the the plant based milks. 1119 00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,800 Like I wish more coffee shops use raw milk and that leads to 1120 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:20,800 another question. So there is a. 1121 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,320 Coffee Air 1. Air One, yeah, but I mean that's 1122 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:24,680 like 2 hours. I know, I know. 1123 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,400 But they're great. There is a coffee shop about 20 1124 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:32,680 minutes from my house around here that uses raw farm milk and 1125 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,560 so sometimes I will make the extra trip over there to get a 1126 00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,600 coffee. But I wonder with with raw milk 1127 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,760 when it's added to hot coffee or used to make a hot cappuccino or 1128 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,720 hot latte. Does that pasteurize the milk? 1129 00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,160 If your if your coffee is so hot that you can't put your finger 1130 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,680 in it, you're cooking it. But what's interesting is if you 1131 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,560 have cold cream and you're pouring it in there, it's let's 1132 00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:57,360 say 140 degrees, 135°, the 1st amount you pour in there, it's 1133 00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,000 going to get cooked. You lose your bio actives. 1134 00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:03,160 But the last part, when it's cooled down, 110 or less, it'll 1135 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:04,960 be fine. So you're actually doing some 1136 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,480 pasteurization, some raw, because you're using that to 1137 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,720 cool the the coffee. So you have a threshold, maybe 1138 00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:12,480 100 and 15120° where you're going to start losing the really 1139 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,520 good stuff. So if you could put your finger 1140 00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:15,920 in it, you're probably OK. Yeah. 1141 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,520 And if I'm not putting my finger in it, I'm not drinking it, you 1142 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,520 know, like if it's scalding my finger, I'm not going to, no. 1143 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,240 Sip on that. No, you wouldn't want to. 1144 00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:24,120 OK. I can. 1145 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,160 I can deal with that because then you're still getting some 1146 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:30,320 of the preserved nutrients that are going to help you digest the 1147 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,720 milk properly. I'll make that concession every 1148 00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:36,640 once in a while, but best case scenario I usually get iced 1149 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,800 coffee and pour it in that well. Here's the thing, if you want to 1150 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,720 have coffee, great. You want to put cream in your 1151 00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:43,240 coffee, great. You want pasteurized cream, 1152 00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:44,960 great. Just make sure you drink raw 1153 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:49,000 milk separately or in a smoothie because that will nourish your 1154 00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,440 microbiome to whatever's coming through you can deal with on the 1155 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:52,360 other side. Yeah. 1156 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,440 I mean, we're not going to live sin free lives here, guys. 1157 00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,520 We live in reality. So you want to have perfection? 1158 00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:58,120 No. Yeah. 1159 00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,800 It's about trying to hit 8590%. And when you do, then you're 1160 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,680 going to start reflecting the tremendous value of that 1161 00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,960 underlying base foundation. What is your favorite raw farm 1162 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,520 product? My favorite raw farm product, 1163 00:54:11,240 --> 00:54:13,600 Lemon raw milk Kiefer. That's why you brought it. 1164 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,120 I do. It has a special place in my 1165 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:16,560 heart. I love it. 1166 00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,160 I love lemons. Lemons are really good for you. 1167 00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,280 Yeah, but it's my favorite. Although all of them are 1168 00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:22,720 wonderful. That's my favorite. 1169 00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:24,640 Would you guys ever do a chocolate 1? 1170 00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:26,240 I feel like that would be really good. 1171 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,040 Chocolate, Chocolate, you know, there's a standard evidentity 1172 00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,600 for every product we make. And we can't make raw chocolate 1173 00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,880 milk in California. And the Amish do because they 1174 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,520 don't have standard of identity in their state there. 1175 00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,240 What does that mean? Standard of identity is a legal 1176 00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:42,480 description under your federal, I mean, excuse me, and your 1177 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,120 state agricultural code, your food and agricultural code that 1178 00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,400 says thou shalt not do anything except for this. 1179 00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,320 If you're going to do this product, they call it something. 1180 00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,800 So all of our raw milk things we make actually have a standard of 1181 00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:57,320 of identity for them in California, and raw chocolate 1182 00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,440 milk is not one of them, unfortunately. 1183 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:00,440 Weird, but you can make your own. 1184 00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,280 Yeah, exactly. Just add a little. 1185 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:03,280 Cocoa to do. Just shake it out. 1186 00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,960 Yeah, how can our listeners get involved in the movement to make 1187 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,520 raw milk legal in their own state, or to find a safe raw 1188 00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,680 dairy farmer? It's happening all over the 1189 00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,400 place. Doctor Joe Joseph Heckman is 1190 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:18,440 working on Virginia right now. Be the action. 1191 00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,200 Go to your farmer, get them trained so you have a source of 1192 00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,360 raw milk. The farmer can start thriving 1193 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:26,960 and feel the passion of the consumer. 1194 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,640 The consumers feel the passion because they're changing their 1195 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,760 lives. Consumers tell other consumers. 1196 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,080 Then you go find a sponsor at the bill at the at your 1197 00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:38,240 legislature, find a bill sponsor and get them drinking raw milk. 1198 00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,640 Then you have to go seduce your state AG people and other 1199 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,040 university people and try to get them to go neutral and talk 1200 00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,840 about we agree pasteurization should go for this kind of milk 1201 00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,000 over here. But that's not what we're 1202 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,520 talking about. We're talking about this clean 1203 00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,840 kind of raw milk over here. And it might upset them to say 1204 00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,160 it's clean versus others it's dirty. 1205 00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,480 So you try to use not inflammatory language, try to 1206 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,800 speak their language and try to appeal to their heart and their 1207 00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:05,280 emotion and talk about this clean, raw milk here that is so 1208 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,360 important for my children. And you just have to go through 1209 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,960 the process. And sometimes it takes a while. 1210 00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,680 But I know Delaware's changed the law, Montana's changed the 1211 00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,240 law. Iowa just changed the law. 1212 00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,120 Tennessee's in the middle of it. Virginia's in the middle of it. 1213 00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:20,640 It's happening. It's a domino effect. 1214 00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,920 It's driven by consumers and farmers working together. 1215 00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,520 I think a lot of people's concern with raw milk is the 1216 00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,960 risk of contracting foodborne illness. 1217 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,000 Do you think that that concern is substantiated and can you 1218 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,960 talk about the recall that you have? 1219 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,920 It was salmonella from one cow and 1000 cows and she had one of 1220 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,120 her quarters had some salmonella and it was below threshold of 1221 00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:42,840 detection. So if you tested the milk, it 1222 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,360 came back negative. As for salmonella. 1223 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,200 So we actually changed our protocol so we test sets of 20 1224 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:50,600 cows. So we don't have the dilution 1225 00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,960 effect of having so much milk in the tank and not finding the 1226 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,600 pathogen. And so now we've changed our 1227 00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,560 protocols with our on farm lab to be able to test 20 cows at a 1228 00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,280 time and actually see that in fact, none of those cows have a 1229 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,160 pathogen coming from them. We learned from it. 1230 00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,960 And that's the pioneering spirit, I think of taking 1231 00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,920 something and not taking it, taking it as an inspiration to 1232 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,120 do better instead of falling down and giving up. 1233 00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,440 I, I have a take on food safety, by the way. 1234 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,520 It's kind of an interesting way of looking at this. 1235 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:20,120 Is it better for your entire culture of people to live in a 1236 00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,920 bubble of trouble and be sterilized and not live in 1237 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,960 nature because you can't be exposed to normal bacteria 1238 00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:27,920 because you're going to get sick? 1239 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,720 That's kind of where we're heading right now, which is 1240 00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,880 everything has to be super sterilized and clean, clean, 1241 00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,920 clean, clean, clean and dead, dead, dead because we are weaker 1242 00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,720 and weaker and weaker. Is that the course for better or 1243 00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,240 should we be exposed to a biodiversity bacteria and build 1244 00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,680 immunity, build a strong, resilient adaptive immune system 1245 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,240 to be able to deal with whatever threats come to you from 1246 00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,440 wherever and have a few illnesses once in a while 1247 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,760 because of those people that don't have ability to build the 1248 00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,720 immune system. So it's an interesting thing how 1249 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,760 our policies generally go towards the weakest of us and 1250 00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:07,160 all the rest of the society literally is compromised as a 1251 00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:11,040 result and get sick because they don't have the exposure to this 1252 00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,680 ability to get better. Or the other way around, where, 1253 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,480 yeah, we'll have illness once in a while on rare occasions 1254 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,400 because everybody's healthy. So the word safety is really an 1255 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:24,320 interesting thing. Are we safer as a country 1256 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,720 because we kill everything and don't have strong immune 1257 00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,880 systems? Or are we safer because we 1258 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,320 expose ourselves to some immune system exercise? 1259 00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,400 Yeah, like, there's so much research about how kids who grow 1260 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,720 up on farms have stronger, more robust immune systems. 1261 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,160 Eat some dirt, right? Drink some milk. 1262 00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,480 Play with animals. At the same time, the humanity 1263 00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,320 of producing food for people has to come through and say I don't 1264 00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,560 want anybody to get sick, I don't care who it is. 1265 00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,320 That's why we test our pathogens on our farm to make sure we 1266 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,760 don't have pathogens in them Up as you receive the gift of 1267 00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,320 biodiversity, it doesn't include the pathogenic part as well as 1268 00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,880 adversity. So it's wild, but not too wild. 1269 00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,080 We want to rewild our gut, as Doctor Bruce Durman says, to get 1270 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,080 that diversity of bacteria, which gives us that antibody 1271 00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,880 effect of protecting ourselves from so many more broad threats 1272 00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:16,760 versus just a little bit. So we have to rethink our 1273 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,480 policies in our country to protect all of us and also the 1274 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,440 weakest of us at the same time. It's not easy. 1275 00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,560 So how? How common are food recalls in 1276 00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,760 the food industry in general? Well, right now they're 1277 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,520 happening every day. I mean, onion recalls, 1278 00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:35,880 cantaloupe recalls, pasteurized milk recalls, Boar's Head deli 1279 00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:40,240 meat recall, ice cream recalls, I mean, onions and McDonald's 1280 00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,200 hamburger recalls. I mean, it's happening. 1281 00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:47,040 My take on that is that's also an indication of how compromised 1282 00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:52,920 our immune systems are as well, because they the FDA is trying 1283 00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:58,000 to make our foods sterile or lack of bacteria and then they 1284 00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,000 do that. It's considered safer. 1285 01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,920 In doing that you actually get in more trouble because then the 1286 01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,960 people become more compromised because they don't have the 1287 01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,040 experience of dealing with bacteria in their environments. 1288 01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:08,840 The European Union has a completely different take on 1289 01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,560 this. They allow listeria in their 1290 01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,040 food. You don't see the Listeria 1291 01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:14,240 illnesses. You see a little bit here and 1292 01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,440 there, but you've got an immunity for listeria here. 1293 01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,480 You don't. So people die from listeria 1294 01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:22,360 here. So we have to think as a country 1295 01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:26,480 policy wise about biodiversity and whole food nutrition as. 1296 01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,960 Is our way forward. If we don't get that, then we're 1297 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,640 going to always be food rebels. We're going to be always against 1298 01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,600 the grain. We need support from those in 1299 01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,840 charge and we need to tell them what to do by dollar voting, 1300 01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,240 saying your choices don't work anymore because we're not going 1301 01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,120 to buy it that we want to whole food nutrition. 1302 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,160 We're not going to be nourished by sugars and fake foods and 1303 01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:48,160 everything else that's out there that's terrible. 1304 01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,480 Well, Mark, we are in such an exciting time right now and I, 1305 01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:56,320 I'm really so optimistic about the future of health in America 1306 01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,360 and where things are headed and just how things are changing so 1307 01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,280 much at a consumer grassroots level. 1308 01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:05,440 And I think that you and everything that you're doing is 1309 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,600 playing a huge role in that, in the education that you're 1310 01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:11,280 providing about raw milk and just Whole Foods and health in 1311 01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,520 general. So I'm really excited for our 1312 01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:18,520 community to hear this episode and just to learn from you, how 1313 01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:22,560 can people buy your products and follow along with everything 1314 01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,400 that you're doing? Well, I believe this is a we 1315 01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,080 project, not a me project. This is a team of people 1316 01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:28,880 building a community that's going in the right direction. 1317 01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,440 How can people help here? Keep on buying raw milk and keep 1318 01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,240 on buying chicken and buying all the wonderful things from their 1319 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,440 their local farms or their farms that are connected to stores 1320 01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,200 that they know their source that don't have antibiotics, they 1321 01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:45,040 don't have hormones, they're unprocessed in whole continue to 1322 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:46,320 do that. Dollar voting is the most 1323 01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,760 powerful thing we can do in our country to direct where our 1324 01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,840 country goes. So I think that's the most 1325 01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:52,720 powerful thing we can do. You get to know your farmer if 1326 01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,720 you can. They are depraved of social and 1327 01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,120 economic support and they need to have that relationship. 1328 01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,320 It's it's very important for farmers to know people, not 1329 01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:03,160 processors. Yeah. 1330 01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:05,240 Well, thank you. Thanks for being here. 1331 01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:05,840 It's my pleasure.