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Welcome to Grounded Wellness, 
your go to podcast for 

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simplified and trusted 
information on how to live a 

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more non-toxic and holistic 
life. 

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We're your hosts. 
I'm Bethany McDaniel, founder of

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Primarily Pure, biohacking 
enthusiast and mom of three. 

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And I'm Courtney O'Connor, 
holistic esthetician with over 

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15 years experience in the 
healing power of touch and 

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holistic skin care rituals. 
I am so excited to welcome 

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Katrina Fey, craniofacial health
coach and author of the 

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revolutionary book Beauty Is 
Bone Deep. 

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Katrina brings a unique approach
to health and Wellness by 

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highlighting the shocking fact 
that our jaws are shrinking. 

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This is a fascinating 
conversation on why traditional 

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orthodontic care may be doing 
more harm than good, how modern 

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foods are stunting jaw 
development, and a surprising 

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link between jaw health and 
issues like inflammation, 

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premature aging, and even 
anxiety. 

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Let's dig in. 
Katrina, thank you so much for 

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being here. 
I think that you are now our 

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furthest guest that we've had on
to Grounded Wellness. 

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You came here all the way from 
Australia and I am so excited to

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dig into this conversation. 
Yeah, it's my pleasure to be on 

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the ground of World as podcast. 
Thank you so much for having me,

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Bethany. 
I want to start a bit with your 

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story. 
Tell us what happened to your 

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face all of those years ago and 
what you did to fix it and how 

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it LED you into the world of 
facial bone structure and airway

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optimization. 
So my journey learning all about

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facial orthodontics began by 
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after I had traditional 
orthodontics, not because my 

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teeth were very crooked, but 
because I wasn't that happy with

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my smile and wanted to get 
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And the orthodontist said, why 
don't we just create a little 

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bit more space and put some 
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So we did that and my husband 
well we weren't married then but

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me and my now husband had to 
move into state and I actually 

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took them off early the braces 
and by the time we relocated I 

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thought Oh my teeth are straight
enough I want to get veneers put

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on. 
So I knew offered on to stick 

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braces off and gave me a 
retainer. 

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Me being who I am, damaged the 
retainer straight away and 

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needed to order a new one and 
unfortunately that didn't 

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happen. 
They botched the order and if 

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you don't wear a retainer on the
teeth, they start to move out of

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position. 
So because that didn't happen 

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because they didn't replace it 
soon enough my teeth started to 

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move. 
I didn't quite understand 

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actually what was happening 
because our traditional 

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orthodontic system has always 
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governed by genetics. 
So when I started to see my face

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changing slowly over 12 months, 
I assumed I was just aging 

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poorly and rapidly and wasn't 
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And the orthodontist who hadn't 
replaced the retainer, I didn't 

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take any responsibility. 
So I was left to my own devices.

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And I actually wasn't sure how 
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asymmetry in my jaws which was 
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one eye sinking in and putting 
my jaw in on this slant. 

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I uploaded photos to I think it 
was Quora or one of these sites 

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real self or something asking 
people does anyone know how to 

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fix this? 
And a kind stranger said pellet 

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expansion which I didn't know 
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So I got researching about it 
and in an effort to heal my 

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face, which is which essentially
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It had lost structure, it had 
lost seclusion through those 

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teeth moving. 
That's what was causing my, my 

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cheeks to sink in and the eye to
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So I had to learn a lot about 
facial mechanics and how our 

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faces grow and, and what creates
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And I through my research could 
see that in the US pellet 

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expansion was happening with 
adults and it it started to 

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develop the centre of the skull 
by targeting the mouth, mouth, 

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roof and developing the Palatine
bones gradually by using an 

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appliance that was removable and
by turning the key it was 

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gradually applying pressure and 
remodelling bone in the centre 

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of the face. 
This was initially hard to find 

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someone who would treat me in 
Australia because it was still a

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new treatment and there was this
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remodel an adult's face because 
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That's what they're taught in 
orthodontic school, that once we

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reach a certain height, we can't
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But this is not the case because
bones always undergo remodeling 

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all throughout our lifespan. 
So when they encounter pressure,

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muscles encounter pressure, The 
bone beneath remodels its 

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structural integrity to 
accommodate those new pressures.

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So that's what the mouth roof 
was doing for me by using in 

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this appliance and people are 
amazed when they see my before 

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and after photo that my my mid 
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And when we grow the mid face, 
which is actually called the 

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maxilla bone, all of the facial 
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It's known as the beauty bone 
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the base of the sockets, the 
nasal bridge, cheekbones, the 

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mouth roof, the top dentition. 
So it determines how wide the 

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smile is, how high the 
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But equally it could be called 
the health bone because this is 

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exactly where our airway is. 
So what isn't understood 

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unfortunately in traditional 
orthodontics and dentistry but 

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is now emerging and becoming its
own space of facial orthodontics

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is that when we develop the 
mouth roof, which is the 

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structure which makes up the 
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When we develop it, the face 
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airway volume increases. 
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today is 50% of adult Americans 
and mouth breathing, which is 

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crazy that half of the 
population are not breathing 

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correctly. 
And the cases of obstructive 

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sleep apnea are just climbing 
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And it comes down to the nasal 
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the mouth roof. 
So if our jaws don't grow 

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properly, which is a huge 
problem in modern society for 

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lots of reasons, I'm sure we're 
about to delve into the mouth 

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roof is high in vaulted and the 
face is narrow and pinched in 

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and people can't breathe 
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And then they look at their 
face, they sense they don't like

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the symptoms they're seeing, and
they go to a plastic surgeon and

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they start playing around with 
their skin or having a nose job 

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or doing lots of things, but 
it's actually masking what is an

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airway issue. 
You mentioned your before and 

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after photos, which if anyone is
listening and not watching, if 

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you're watching, I'm sure we'll,
we'll put these up on the video.

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But go to Katrina's Instagram 
page and look at her before and 

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after photos. 
It is remarkable how your facial

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structure has changed just from 
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And I've, I've even seen people 
speculate and ask you like, have

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you gotten lip filler because 
your lips too are so much more 

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full and plump than they were 
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Because everything has just 
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And I was even Googling, 
preparing for this before and 

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after pictures with palette 
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It is wild. 
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people, there are no ugly 
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There are just underdeveloped 
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And that's probably a lot of us,
but it's just, it's pretty 

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remarkable. 
I love that message that you're 

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saying there's not unattractive,
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It's people who have an 
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The airway is too tight, and 
unfortunately, it's very common.

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And as you say, you can see in 
the before and after photos that

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I was able to achieve quite 
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without surgery, which is great.
No going under the knife, no 

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general anesthesia, no downtime.
It's just using a device that's 

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applying pressure that hasn't 
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should actually come from the 
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which people wouldn't understand
how crucial their tongue is in 

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facial development. 
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probably contributes to this is 
that we raise our babies with 

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pacifiers in their mouth, which 
actually trains the tongue to be

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low in the jaw. 
The tongue should be suctioned 

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high in the jaw. 
And when we placate infants with

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pacifiers to keep them silent so
they'll happily play, that's 

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actually time they should be 
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using their tongue and making 
sounds and, and teething on 

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things and using their jaws. 
They always bring their fists in

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their mouth. 
Did your? 

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Kids use pacifiers at all. 
I did when I was travelling with

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my babies. 
My first two babies didn't want 

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pacifiers because they were 
breastfed for so long and so I 

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didn't even think about 
pacifiers being a big problem 

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back those many years ago. 
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them. 
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breastfeeding was interrupted 
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she was quite young. 
And anyway, so we, we bottle fed

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her and, and she did pacify when
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pacifier, but I was like, it's 
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And then we'll take it out. 
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it. 
I have used pacifiers with my 

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kids and now I'm I'm taking a 
step back from a lot of my work 

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responsibilities and my big 
thing right now is like I'm 

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diving into this for all of my 
kids and like fixing anything 

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that any damage that has been 
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What are some other factors that
contribute to poor jaw 

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development in our current 
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I know tongue ties is another 
one at a young age if they're 

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not fixed right? 
Can you speak to that one a 

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little bit? 
I certainly can, because all 

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three of my children were born 
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which means which means the skin
beneath the tongue is too tight 

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or too short. 
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that this is an inherited 
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10% of the population. 
But the more I kept hearing from

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parents saying, oh, my children 
had a, they had a tongue tie and

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we had a phrenectomy or maybe 
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and it's caused huge issues for 
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Now it made me look into the 
issue further and there are 

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there is some data suggesting 
that folic acid supplementation,

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which is aimed for pregnant 
mothers, they, they put it into 

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pregnancy tablets to protect 
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that it over seal that seals the
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The conclusion seems to be that 
maybe it's over sealing the 

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midline, so the tissues 
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lip ties are becoming too tight.
Would folate have the same 

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effect? 
Because I I knew this about I 

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knew folic acid was not the way 
to go, but I did take folate 

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like multivitamins that had 
folate in it. 

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Interesting. 
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So folate's the natural version 
that we should be a mother 

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should have lots of folate in 
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neural tube defects and eating 
all the right foods. 

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But the advice is to take these 
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And I think the folic acid in 
them is more of an issue because

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it's double the potency. 
So you might be doing all the 

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right things and having a 
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and then supplementing with 
something that's now 

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overcorrecting the problem. 
And we're seeing infants coming 

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out with these tongue tie 
restrictions. 

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And my son, we noticed it 
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But 7 1/2 years ago, I didn't 
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was. 
And, and no one really mentioned

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that would become a big problem.
It did become a big problem. 

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And the Internet was only 
saying, oh, tongue tie 

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restrictions, you know, it might
impact breastfeeding and speech 

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development. 
And at the time I'd adapted to 

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breastfeeding, I thought, OK, so
that's all right. 

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Speech development, that seems 
like, you know, a short term 

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hurdle. 
If it happens and didn't think 

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much into it and it's really 
bad, it does affect the speech. 

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It affects the amount that the 
top jaw can grow and come 

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forward because the tongue's low
in the jaw and that's the 

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architect of the mouth. 
It kind of shapes everything, 

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right? 
Yeah, and develops the airway. 

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And if they have a small airway,
they start to mouth breathe. 

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They don't hold the tongue in 
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They tongue thrust. 
They become messy eaters because

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they're trying to mouth breathe 
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Compensating in all of these 
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Yes and then the whole alignment
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alignment, their hips, even 
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I noticed that my son was pigeon
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So once our tongue is low and 
not suctioned high, that the 

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fact that they're not breathing 
nasally and are breathing 

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orally, they they compensate by 
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compensate, and then you get 
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then your knees go in. 
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talking about. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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reversed. 
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notice these things in their 

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children from age 18 months or 
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OK, how do I fix this? 
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child that cognitively immature 
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patterns they have and to undo 
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So until that child is, you 
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they could perhaps see a my 
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understand and follow 
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that problem. 
But it's a long waiting game and

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I've been through it with my 
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And the best case scenario is to

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address it right away. 
Like with my younger two, we had

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the little, the laser that that 
nipped that when they were just 

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a couple days old. 
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know about that yet. 
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now I want to dive into with her
to to hopefully fix. 

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So when they are older then 
what's, what's the, what's the 

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game plan with that? 
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orthodontists who will treat 
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children. 
They say on the website as early

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as three if the child will 
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the mouth. 
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absolutely amazing because so 
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we'll, we'll wait until they're 
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molars and there's something to 
attach it to. 

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But they're able to do this with
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And my son did it when he was 5.
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appliance, but we actually had 
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that was more effective. 
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at that age. 
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mouth roof just remodels and 
opens up, whereas we can still 

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do this at any age and with 
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It's just you'll need to apply a
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longer to release the suture and
allow that remodeling process to

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start. 
Yeah, OK. 

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Why should parents not be 
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soft foods? 
Yeah, I remember when my first 

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born was young, loving those 
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Oh, great. 
You know, they're in the car or 

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the pram. 
No mess. 

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go about it because they're not 
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coordination. 
They should be chewing on things

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that are quite fibrous or even 
dehydrated. 

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Biltong is actually a natural 
way that children would start to

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explore with harder natural 
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Even if they don't have enough 
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to a pulp and eat it, they 
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whenever there's a bolus of food
that needs to be manoeuvred 

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around their mouth, their tongue
engages to keep guiding food 

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back onto the dental arch and 
the jaws and getting them to 

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lift the tongue is is moulding 
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When they just have a little 
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tongue thrust beneath the spout.
They're not really using any 

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muscles and it can set them up 
for the wrong swallow habit, 

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which is that tongue thrust 
where it's not pumping up onto 

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the palate. 
It's it's beneath a straw or a 

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spout all the time. 
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slightly different swallow 
pattern than to just drinking 

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from a cup. 
The tongue is is held low by the

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spout. 
So I know it's really hard for 

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parents to navigate all of these
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the effort to most of the time, 
make sure they're given the 

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opportunity to chew things that 
are fibrous and crunchy and 

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engage their tongue to do 
natural functions and guide the 

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drawers. 
Yeah, it's like the opposite of 

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everything we are like marketed 
to be doing as young moms. 

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So, so we're, we're, the folic 
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tongue ties and then the soft 
foods and then also what was the

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other one? 
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then these kids are, have 
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they're, there's not enough room
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And then when they're 10/11/12, 
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give them braces. 
So talk to us about braces and 

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the problem there. 
Yeah, so I have braces on right 

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now. 
Braces can be the enemy if we 

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don't expand the jaw first. 
So it can be quite confusing 

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because I've shared lots of 
stories online about don't put 

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your children straight into 
braces. 

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That's not the first things that

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we want to do because the 
underlying cause of the 

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malocclusion is the fact the 
child has a high vaulted palate 

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to the high mouth roof and the 
tongue is not connecting with it

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and moulding it. 
And so the jaws are they're 

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narrow because the mouth roof is
like a high V shape. 

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Yeah. 
So if you just try to move teeth

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in a tight jaw, once those 
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a permanent retainer to hold 
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Obviously just go crooked again.
And that's because the tongue's 

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not there, the breathing isn't 
nasal yet. 

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So what we must do is target the
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Get that child's jaw to its 
correct size for their age. 

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When we develop the mouth roof, 
it actually comes forward and 

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low and as it moves down that 
allows the tongue muscle to gain

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contact and suction to it. 
So many children may not be able

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to do my functional therapy to 
train their tongue to suction 

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correctly because their mouth 
roof is like this and it should 

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be a big broad rainbow. 
So once we expand the jaw, we 

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lower the mouth roof, we can 
look to then straighten the 

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teeth because you want that 
bottom dentition to also move to

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match up with the wider top 
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So you may do that if you're 
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their teeth because I've just 
done a maxillary expansion, you 

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may even want to close the gap 
at the front. 

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But we never want to extract 
teeth. 

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We never, if we're an adult, 
close in gaps and make our mouth

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smaller if we've never expanded,
because those crooked teeth or 

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those gaps can be the symptom of
just a small jaw. 

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Yeah. 
And if you widen the jaw, then 

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often times do our braces even 
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Do the teeth could have enough 
space and then they kind of 

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like. 
They can move into a great 

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position. 
So you know, in theory for a 

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child they may avoid braces 
altogether. 

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But if if it's a complex case 
and you want to get the maximum 

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expansion of the top jaw, you'll
probably want to move those 

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bottom teeth a little bit. 
My son was told he doesn't need 

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to do the braces because there's
just a little bit of development

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here and his teeth are matching 
up. 

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But if your child does need to 
do braces after expansion, the 

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key ingredient is do not glue on
the retainer to the teeth 

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because the biggest problem is 
once you have retainers on the 

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jaws of say a 10 year old. 
Who's maybe they have expanded, 

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maybe they haven't. 
That retainer prevents any 

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future growth because the bite 
is now locked to the dental arch

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of that 12 year old is locked in
place so their face can't 

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continue to grow. 
So as they get older. 

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You'll notice for people who've 
had braces really early and worn

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retainers their whole life, the 
cranium seems to be the right 

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size for an adult, but the face 
is actually pinched in and small

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and it impacts their ability to 
breathe properly. 

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Yeah. 
So now there's this whole 

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epidemic of adults that have 
jaws the size of a 12 year old. 

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Yeah, it's so wild. 
Eat a lot and you can tell 

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people have had braces. 
Their teeth are straight, but 

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their dental arch is small, like
a child's. 

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So it's interesting because I'm,
I'm trying to, I'm, I've started

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seeing a, an airway focused 
dentist and when I first went 

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in, he was like, oh, you had 
braces? 

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And, and I didn't, but he said 
that my teeth are like they're, 

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they're straight, straight 
enough, but they're like flared 

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out as if I'd had braces. 
OK. 

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Which is so interesting because 
I haven't and I I don't know. 

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Do you have any like thoughts on
why that might be? 

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I actually don't. 
I had my wisdom teeth pulled, 

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which I know is another thing we
don't want to do. 

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Yeah, I had my wisdom teeth 
pulled as well, and I regret 

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that. 
Another thing that it just 

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doesn't allow the jaw to get 
like they're there to continue 

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to expand the jaw, right? 
And when, when, when we remove 

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them, the jaw isn't able to like
continue to grow to its full 

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potential. 
Well, without them, our face is 

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flattened by a tooth width. 
OK, my jaws would be a tooth 

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width forward for the forward 
had I had those wisdom teeth. 

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But it's been normalized that, 
oh, they're a little bit, so 

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let's pull them out. 
Yeah. 

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So suddenly. 
It was finally, it was just 

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like, oh, you've they're 
starting to come in, pull them 

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out. 
Like even though there weren't 

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any issues really. 
Yeah, that. 

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Is crazy. 
Yeah, it's like everything that 

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we we're being treated for the 
worst case scenario, we're not 

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even like allowed to. 
It's there's no like seeing how 

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it plays out or anything. 
It's just kind of like same 

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protocol for everyone with 
traditional orthodont 

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orthodontry. 
It's not the word takes 

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orthodontism. 
Traditional orthodontics, yeah, 

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You mentioned also like the 
airway not developing properly. 

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What are the implications of not
having a fully developed airway?

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Oh my goodness, people wouldn't 
realise how much this effects 

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their whole life. 
So when the airway the the nasal

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cavity is tight, people will 
keep their lips open to orally 

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breathe, but this route of 
respiration does not saturate 

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the blood properly. 
With necessarily just because 

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there's not enough space for 
that, like for the oxygen to get

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into the body. 
Well, people who have a degree 

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of air hunger through the nose 
start to compensate by breathing

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orally because it feels like a 
faster way to get the air in. 

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But it's only drawing air to the
top of the chest, whereas nasal 

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breathing, when we have plenty 
of ease to do so, is slow. 

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It draws the air all the way 
deep into the diaphragm, which 

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is now saturating the depth of 
the lungs with oxygen and giving

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the body more time to absorb it.
When we only breathe to the top 

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of the chest, it's an anxious 
style of breathing that's more 

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rapid. 
And the heart, because it's 

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sensing, because there's not 
enough time to take the oxygen 

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coming in before there's a 
breath out and taking another 

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gasp. 
So the body's compensation to 

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not enough oxygen is to speed up
the heart rate. 

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And people don't know. 
They don't realize this just 

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becomes a normal way of being to
them. 

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But their respiration is high, 
the heart rate is high, so 

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they're in a sympathetic state 
of being. 

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So the nervous state, the 
nervous system state of being, 

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fight and flight. 
Yeah. 

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Whereas most of the time we need
to be parasympathetic dominant, 

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which is the state of our 
system, which is rest and 

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digest. 
And so we can absorb nutrients 

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and do repair and detox. 
But if that's not happening to 

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you, you're in this state of 
acidosis, rapid breathing. 

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There's this imbalance between 
the level of oxygen to carbon 

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dioxide. 
And so there's more carbon 

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dioxide than there should be. 
And you're not saturating all of

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the cells with oxygen like 
they're expecting. 

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The brain you can see in mapping
with MRI scans, they've even 

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tested people. 
They took a big group of people 

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who are all normally nasal 
breathers and they asked. 

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They had two groups controlled 
trial. 

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You're going to mouth tape and 
only breathe through the nose 

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while doing a cognitive task for
one hour. 

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The other group are going to peg
their nose and only breathe 

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through the mouth. 
And instantaneously they saw the

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effect of breathing through the 
mouth to do the cognitive tasks.

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00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,120
The MRI scan showed that the 
mouth breathers were only 

454
00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:36,720
lighting, lighting up 10 of 15 
brain regions, whereas those who

455
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,760
are nasal breathing, blood flow 
and oxygen to all 15 brain 

456
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:41,760
regions. 
Wow. 

457
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,400
That's how significant and 
immediate the effect is to your 

458
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,920
whole Physiology. 
And 50% of people are doing this

459
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,240
all day, every day. 
Yeah, and it's the body releases

460
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,360
free radicals. 
It's an oxidative stress. 

461
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,520
And then during sleep they're 
not able to get the proper 

462
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,680
oxygenation to detox and repair 
like they should. 

463
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,760
Yeah, So unfortunately, I don't 
want to scare people, but it 

464
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,840
does speed up the ageing 
process, having oxidative 

465
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,040
stress, release of free 
radicals, not adequate sleep and

466
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,080
not adequate detox because 
you're having fragmented sleep. 

467
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,440
So many people who have a sleep 
disorder, breathing style or 

468
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,280
obstructive sleep apnea need to 
come out of deep REM sleep to 

469
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,360
reposition their body. 
When the body senses it doesn't 

470
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:28,800
get a lot of air, they're deep 
snorers, or perhaps not deep 

471
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,400
snoring, but they're gasping or 
pausing in in their breath 

472
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,160
during sleep. 
This brings the body out of deep

473
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,000
R.E.M. 
And it leaves them fatigued, A, 

474
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,480
because they didn't have the 
oxygen saturation, but because 

475
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,560
their sleep quality is 
fragmenting. 

476
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,440
And if you don't stay in deep 
R.E.M. for a long amount of 

477
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,360
time, you're not doing that Wash
away of toxins and detox through

478
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:52,400
the brain at night time. 
Yeah. 

479
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,800
And the repairs system's not 
working properly. 

480
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,960
So I would imagine this, this 
has an impact on so many things.

481
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,880
I've heard you touch on how this
can also contribute to 

482
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:05,440
behavioral disorders and like 
ADHD in children. 

483
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,960
Can you talk to us a little bit 
about that? 

484
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,440
Yeah, it's really sad to see 
what's happening to our children

485
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:15,320
because we can all think about 
that child or many children who 

486
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,760
you may not even notice their 
mouth breathing. 

487
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,840
But now when I point out the 
details, you'll know who I'm 

488
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,640
talking about. 
They have a bit of a sunken 

489
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,120
face. 
They have Venus pulling under 

490
00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:26,000
the eyes because they're not 
well rested. 

491
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,360
They don't have a lot of oxygen 
coming in their mouth breathing.

492
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,240
And the bone structure probably 
doesn't allow for for that to be

493
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,760
in its proper position too, 
right? 

494
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,440
Yeah, there's a facial type for 
this. 

495
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,960
So if it's a small mid face, 
which may make the forehead look

496
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,720
more bulbous or the lower jaw 
look more prominent, or perhaps 

497
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,120
it looks weakened because it 
needs to tuck in behind a 

498
00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:49,440
recessed mid face. 
These children are then printed 

499
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,440
malocclusion because the jaw is 
small. 

500
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,800
And then as we said, their their
whole alignment is thrown off. 

501
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,440
And so their coordination, their
ability to keep up with their 

502
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,760
peers in physical sports is not 
quite there. 

503
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,520
They have attentional issues 
because they're not oxygenating 

504
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,240
the brain properly. 
And children are not like 

505
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,240
adults. 
Adults slow down and get 

506
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,240
fatigued when they're not 
sleeping properly. 

507
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,120
Children get really over 
stimulated and Rev up when 

508
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:19,480
they're sleep deprived and so it
looks like symptoms of 

509
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,640
attentional deficit and 
hyperactivity and that's a child

510
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,040
who just can't regulate their 
nervous system because they're 

511
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,320
in this flattened flight and 
their whole system is thrown out

512
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,920
of whack. 
Oh, that makes so much sense and

513
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,280
such an important thing to 
invest in for your children. 

514
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,320
I've heard you say like invest 
in this before a college 

515
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,280
education, which what? 
Difference. 

516
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,160
I completely like agree with 
because it just it impacts 

517
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,160
everything. 
Yeah, yeah. 

518
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,000
I'm not saying don't get an 
education. 

519
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,920
Education is important. 
But I am saying put your money 

520
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,600
into this early if you can. 
And some of these options are 

521
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,200
fairly affordable for parents. 
They're not, they're not 

522
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,680
attached to the teeth or they're
not a pellet expander. 

523
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,080
They're actually helping a child
guide their muscles. 

524
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,840
So I think there's a Myobrace 
and Vivos have a system like 

525
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,680
this and there's a tooth pillow 
that's guiding a child who 

526
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,840
doesn't have severe problems to 
put that tongue high and maybe 

527
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,480
correct their tongue position. 
And the effects are slower. 

528
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,760
It's a gradual process, but they
do then start to open the face 

529
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,120
up a little bit and get the jaws
a bit wider. 

530
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,880
But the best solution for a 
child is a glued in pallet 

531
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,240
expander, which works in about 6
months. 

532
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,760
And you turn a key at home. 
There's less visits than 

533
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,840
probably going to get braces 
because you're not going in to 

534
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,120
get them tightened. 
The parent will just use a 

535
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,360
little key and just twist it, 
you know, one tiny turn every 

536
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,640
day and it starts to develop the
jaw and the airway and that 

537
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,520
child's body just comes into 
alignment. 

538
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,880
It's really beautiful to watch 
and it doesn't take as much time

539
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,880
as braces. 
Yeah, I remember as a kid, so I 

540
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,680
always wanted braces as a kid. 
And my parents were like, no, 

541
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,520
it's too expensive. 
And then they said you didn't 

542
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:00,600
need them, so you're not 
getting. 

543
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,600
Them. 
I know now I'm happy. 

544
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,640
So I'm like not super familiar 
with the world of like braces 

545
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,640
and retainers, but I remember 
some kids getting like expanders

546
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,240
like so. 
And is that the same thing that 

547
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,600
you're talking about now or is 
that was that different back 

548
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,400
then? 
I remember like having friends 

549
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,760
that had expanders and they 
were, they had like maybe rubber

550
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,320
bands in their mouth or 
something. 

551
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,760
Is that the same thing? 
That's why it shocks me that 

552
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,680
traditional orthodontists who 
just do braces try to discredit 

553
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,800
this method. 
It's been around for 40 years 

554
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,440
with children. 
It's now only just becoming more

555
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,360
popular with adults because 
they've realized, oh, our bones 

556
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,440
keep remodeling forever, so 
there's no barrier to doing 

557
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,120
this. 
Yeah. 

558
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,080
But yeah, children have been 
having expanders for decades 

559
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,920
now. 
And I say to people, my 

560
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,760
husband's friend, he goes, Oh 
yeah, I had one of those 

561
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,520
expanders as a kid. 
And I just think you don't know 

562
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,960
how lucky you were that you 
happened to step into that 

563
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,920
orthodontist clinic who looked 
at your teeth and thought, we're

564
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,480
going to Createspace in the jaw.
And he has a great facial 

565
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,320
structure. 
And that's because of the 

566
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,000
expander. 
But he probably wouldn't realize

567
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,880
how much that changed his 
trajectory because had he walked

568
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,680
into the other clinic, he said, 
OK, crooked teeth will take out 

569
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,880
four premolars, and then we'll 
close the gaps with braces and 

570
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,840
give you a lifelong retainer. 
He'd look completely different. 

571
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,280
He'd probably have health 
issues. 

572
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,600
He would not be the same person.
Yeah, where can people go to 

573
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,680
learn more about this? 
Is there a database of the right

574
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,520
type of orthodontists to see? 
Or like how can someone take? 

575
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,240
How would someone know where to 
go for this type of thing? 

576
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,680
It's it falls under so many 
different labels that it's 

577
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,000
actually quite convoluted for 
parents to understand. 

578
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,920
Some dentists go by airway 
dentistry, some orthodontists 

579
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,480
are calling it my functional 
orthodontics, functional 

580
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:49,720
orthodontics, face orthodontics.
There's there's so many 

581
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,960
different terms for this and to 
help parents navigate it, I 

582
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,680
wrote a book and I gave a list 
which helps them with the search

583
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,400
terminology on how to locate 
someone who's going to approach 

584
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,720
orthodontics the right way. 
And also a list of ones who are 

585
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,960
known to be helping adults with 
this very problem. 

586
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,000
Because it's unfortunately a 
tough system to navigate. 

587
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,640
And parents and individuals 
really should be equipped with a

588
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,160
little bit of knowledge about 
this before they speak to their 

589
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,000
orthodontist they consult with. 
So the orthodontist realizes, 

590
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,440
OK, I can't just push this 
person into wisdom tooth 

591
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,400
extractions or braces. 
Yeah. 

592
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,160
The person needs to know what 
their options are. 

593
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,840
Yeah. 
I love how you say that beauty 

594
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,640
is health and health is beauty. 
Talk to us about supermodels and

595
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,040
why we find them to be so 
universally attractive. 

596
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,840
My background is psychology so I
always love how the mind works 

597
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,520
and what we're innately wired to
appreciate, and then what part 

598
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,960
of us is shaped by culture and 
environment. 

599
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,040
And the studies on facial beauty
have always shown that people 

600
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,800
like structural qualities about 
faces. 

601
00:31:55,280 --> 00:32:01,600
Big eyes, prominent lips, a 
healthy sized mid face and 

602
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,160
symmetry. 
And those things come about by 

603
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,800
having jaws that are full size, 
that allow the teeth to come in 

604
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,640
straight. 
And when the teeth come in 

605
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,880
straight and you're able to keep
them all because no one 

606
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,800
extracted them because the 
dental act was small, then 

607
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,400
there's equal loading on the 
jaws and the mouth roof is wide 

608
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,240
and the cheekbones become 
prominent and therefore the eye 

609
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,080
sockets sit prominently on the 
face and they're not sunken and 

610
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,080
tired looking. 
You have a wide smile. 

611
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,960
The teeth aren't crooked and and
that person has vitality. 

612
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,080
Actually, we're almost picking 
up on on subtle cues about their

613
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,240
health because their their spine
will be in alignment. 

614
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,360
Their breathing is better. 
They'll have more energy and 

615
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,280
that may show up even in their 
skin tone because they're 

616
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,520
getting more oxygen to every 
part of the body. 

617
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,040
And so look at the gut health as
well, because their digestion is

618
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,600
allowed to be running for the 
rest of the day than on the 

619
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,760
stress response. 
So they're actually absorbing 

620
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,880
nutrients better. 
And This is why why we innately 

621
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,080
like beauty and particular 
traits. 

622
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,120
It's because that's how our 
body, when everything works 

623
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,480
optimally, our body should have 
these traits and. 

624
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,400
It's like you're we're attracted
to healthy traits in others. 

625
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,560
And sometimes surgeries or other
cosmetic things can sort of mask

626
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,200
it and they can improve 
someone's confidence. 

627
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,360
But done too many times, people 
are not attracted to that 

628
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,280
because it's a false cue of 
health. 

629
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,040
It's signaling to person that 
something's actually awry and 

630
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,240
and we want to fix the root 
cause and bring the whole face 

631
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,520
into harmony, not just try to 
like, fill some areas or other 

632
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,680
areas look sunken and like 
something's a little bit out of 

633
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:36,600
alignment. 
Yeah. 

634
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:41,120
What plastic surgeries do you 
think can be avoided if the jaw 

635
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,520
is grown to its full potential? 
That's a really good question 

636
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:49,720
because many people unknowingly 
have an airway problem and not 

637
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,840
like the outward appearance of 
their nose. 

638
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,760
And they go, I don't breathe 
that well through my nose and I 

639
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,280
have a bit of a hump here and I 
don't like the size of my nose. 

640
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,280
And they'll go and seek out a 
septoplasty. 

641
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,120
Like a nose. 
Job, a nose job. 

642
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,120
And they often find that coming 
out the nose may be 

643
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,600
straightened, but they did not 
breathe any better. 

644
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:13,000
And I, I want to say to those 
people is that the reason the 

645
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,920
hump will start to form is that 
the nasal bridge is supported by

646
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,360
the maxilla bone. 
And if that's retracted, we have

647
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:25,320
bone here and then cartilage. 
So if this is not supported, it 

648
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,320
pulls down. 
The nose, The tip of the nose is

649
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:28,280
not supported. 
OK. 

650
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:32,800
Because this is back and not 
forward and because the mouth. 

651
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,760
Well, we don't see that in kids.
It's like something that 

652
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,360
develops over time, right? 
I mean that that Ridge on the 

653
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,159
nose. 
Sometimes around puberty, this 

654
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:42,880
is when we start to realize the 
symptoms, like the growth hasn't

655
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,840
quite occurred and there's 
symptoms popping up. 

656
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,440
But the bent septum that they're
talking about and the inability 

657
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,000
to breathe is because of that 
high vaulted mouth roof that is 

658
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,159
so common. 
And the reason people are mouth 

659
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:54,840
breathing is that the mouth roof
isn't. 

660
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,720
So that's a nasal cavity. 
The mouth roof should be flat 

661
00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:00,360
and wide, but instead it's like 
this and the face is narrow. 

662
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,240
So the mouth roof has encroached
in the nasal cavity. 

663
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,520
And because there's a septum in 
between, the plastic surgeon 

664
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,560
saying, oh, I'll just, I'll just
straighten the septum. 

665
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,120
That's not increasing any volume
for airflow. 

666
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,880
What straightens the septum is 
actually developing the mouth 

667
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,120
roof low and wide. 
It's been able to straighten and

668
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,400
you've increased the volume of 
air coming in. 

669
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,440
And when you've done this, 
you've widened the dental arch 

670
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,520
and you've actually pushed the 
cheekbones out. 

671
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,280
So there's many of their traits 
that are coming into harmony and

672
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,680
they're able to breathe better. 
And if you're able to get this 

673
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,360
slightly forward, you may even 
get a straightening along the 

674
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,160
bridge. 
Yeah, that makes sense. 

675
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,240
And when you were dealing with 
the whole thing that was 

676
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:42,720
happening with your face, I know
you were told like, oh, we can 

677
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:45,520
put like an implant on one side 
and like, shave off bone on the 

678
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,760
other side. 
It's crazy what kind of masking 

679
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,440
techniques, because this was an 
orthodontist telling me that, 

680
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,080
and they didn't even understand 
facial mechanics and they didn't

681
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,440
understand that faces can grow 
or not grow. 

682
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,320
And so they're thinking, OK, 
we'll do the teeth and maybe 

683
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,360
I'll just have to refer you to a
Doctor Who's going to take the 

684
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,440
weak side of your face and put 
in a cheek implant of silicon. 

685
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:08,080
And then that side that's 
hanging down low will just shave

686
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,680
the bone down. 
And I'm just thinking, I can't 

687
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,040
do this. 
A, it's probably not going to 

688
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,080
look great. 
And B, I'll never have any hope 

689
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,880
of actually correcting this 
problem and, and correcting my 

690
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,840
face when I saw it, it's demise 
come on gradually. 

691
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,640
So my intuition was just 
thinking there's gotta be, I can

692
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,880
be a way I can gradually bring 
it back and actually enhance it 

693
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,680
further than it was before. 
And thank God I followed my gut 

694
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,960
and went down this rabbit hole 
of facial mechanics and facial 

695
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,480
orthodontics because what 
initially was led by a desire to

696
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,120
aesthetically correct what had 
been damaged to my face and the 

697
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,120
damage that had been done opened
up this whole world of of facial

698
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,480
beauty and what is actually 
health and what is airway and 

699
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,320
Sleep Medicine and dysregulated 
nervous systems that need to be 

700
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,120
brought back into harmony. 
Yeah. 

701
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,360
It's all connected. 
Yeah. 

702
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,920
And I bet you're so glad that 
you you did this instead of 

703
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,600
that, because if you had done 
all of that and then fixed the 

704
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,520
airway like, you would have been
lopsided. 

705
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,800
Yeah, exactly. 
Yeah. 

706
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:14,000
I bet with facelifts too, like a
lot of that isn't necessary when

707
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,200
the volume has been restored 
through the bone growth, right? 

708
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,160
Yeah, yeah. 
So when we can grow the bone for

709
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,200
nasolabial folds start to 
diminish. 

710
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,760
I had deeper creases here prior 
to developing the maxillary 

711
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,920
bone. 
Once the cheeks are a bit 

712
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,280
higher, we can start to, you 
know, these fade the crew's 

713
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:36,960
feet. 
Yeah. 

714
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,280
I mean, people can get a 
facelift if it's minimal, but 

715
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,960
for someone who's really later 
in life and has had a lot of 

716
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,680
bone resorption and a 
characteristic trait of getting 

717
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,640
into later stage life is that 
this sinks. 

718
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,040
People start to lose bone 
density and and even muscle 

719
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,280
strength and the tongue becomes 
weaker. 

720
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,680
And This is why older people 
aspirate when they're eating 

721
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,440
their tongues weak. 
So they're starting to sink 

722
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,360
here. 
There's less muscular support. 

723
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,840
If you are sunk in here, the eye
sockets will start to sink in, 

724
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,960
creating more eye bags. 
So if you're trying to get a 

725
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,560
facelift, but your eyes are 
narrowing and and your teeth are

726
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,400
starting to, a lot of people say
my teeth are straight, but now 

727
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,320
they're crooked in later life 
because their dental arch is 

728
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,640
sinking. 
When you have those traits but 

729
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,320
tight skin from a facelift, it 
just doesn't have a natural 

730
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,240
looking result. 
And so I say This is why we need

731
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:36,080
to always remodel bone to 
structurally scaffold the fat 

732
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,440
pads and the skin better and put
them in the right position. 

733
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,320
What can people do to minimize 
that from even happening as they

734
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,480
age? 
I mean, yes, we can. 

735
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,720
We can wear the devices to 
create, to regrow the bone in 

736
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:51,760
the facial structure. 
But like what role do like 

737
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,480
nutrients, facial exercise, like
things like that? 

738
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,880
What roles does that play? 
There's so many ways to come at 

739
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,640
this because bone health is 
really cellular health. 

740
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,320
Our bones are made from cells 
which are called osteoblasts, 

741
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,920
and they're constantly in this 
state of there's osteoclasts 

742
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,840
that are bone resorption and 
then there's osteoblasts where 

743
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,760
we're building bone and wherever
we put pressure on bone, it will

744
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,480
remodel and create osteoblasts. 
So we want to keep using our 

745
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,240
jaws and chewing harder foods 
for the whole extent of our life

746
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:24,120
so they stay strong. 
We want to keep our tongue 

747
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,840
actually strong. 
So doing facial exercises like 

748
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,640
how do people want to do it 
using their tongue, keeping it 

749
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,400
toned is going to help. 
But when we look at diet, 

750
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:37,400
there's so much we can actually 
do to make sure that we're 

751
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,600
bringing in lots of minerals and
antioxidants. 

752
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,480
So I'm about to release another 
book, which is looking more at 

753
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,760
bones at a cellular level. 
And most people think tap water 

754
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,120
is fine. 
You know, I drink tap water, but

755
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:55,120
the fact that it has fluoride 
added to it, our overexposure to

756
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,080
fluoride actually leads to 
skeletal fluorosis. 

757
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,000
And people can look at the 
studies on this. 

758
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,160
We're not controlling how much 
fluoride we're actually 

759
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,320
absorbing when it's coming in 
through the tap water. 

760
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,080
And this. 
Is skeletal fluorosis it's. 

761
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,920
The bones actually weakening and
the enamel on the tooth 

762
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,040
weakening. 
So fluoride is helpful within 

763
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,840
this really small window where 
it's safe and apparently 

764
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,840
effective for your teeth. 
But adding it to our water 

765
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,240
source and not controlling how 
many glasses of water everyone 

766
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:25,680
is drinking is not an effective 
way to to be exposed to 

767
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,560
fluoride. 
And it's even in our food system

768
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,160
now. 
So people are having too much 

769
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:33,120
fluoride coming into their body,
which weakens burn remodelling 

770
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,840
along with our bodies tend to be
in a more acidic state than they

771
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,320
ought to be. 
This comes down to our ultra 

772
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,920
processed foods. 
People are probably eating too 

773
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,400
much meat. 
I think people should eat 

774
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:50,360
protein from from animal foods, 
but we're eating a lot of it and

775
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,680
and dairy foods, way too much 
dairy. 

776
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,080
Do you think that the 
pasteurization plays a role in 

777
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,400
in the absorption and like the 
the body's ability to properly 

778
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,200
assimilate the nutrients from 
dairy? 

779
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:07,360
I actually had never thought 
about that Bethany, but this I 

780
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,240
haven't got down the raw milk 
rabbit hole as much to talk 

781
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:10,840
about round. 
Yeah. 

782
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,680
You'll be able to fill me in 
probably more on that topic, but

783
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,440
I'm just looking at when we get 
our water re mineralize. 

784
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,360
So a lot of people will filter 
their water because they don't 

785
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,200
want the heavy metals, 
pharmaceuticals, chlorine, 

786
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,960
fluoride coming in. 
Yeah, but that can also strip 

787
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,840
out of mineral quality. 
And actually, a lot of our 

788
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,360
calcium is meant to be coming 
through our water. 

789
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,480
I never knew that. 
You told me that before we 

790
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:32,760
started recording. 
Yeah. 

791
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,680
Interesting. 
Yeah, so before water was 

792
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,360
contaminated and people were 
drinking from springs, that 

793
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,240
water water was running off 
waterfalls and off rocks and 

794
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:42,760
through soils. 
By the time it got to a human, 

795
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,120
it might have been groundwater 
from a well. 

796
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,560
And it's filtered through all 
the soil collecting these 

797
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,040
minerals and that comes into our
water source. 

798
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,240
And that's one of the primary 
ways that we re mineralize along

799
00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:58,480
with having antioxidants. 
So what people wouldn't realize 

800
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,320
is that when we're in an acidic 
state, because we're not eating 

801
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,680
all these foods, we should be 
like the green leafy vegetables 

802
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,600
and antioxidant rich fruits and 
veggies. 

803
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,640
Is that our bone, sorry, our 
body compensates for this over 

804
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,000
acidity. 
The foods being acidic, tap 

805
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,080
water is more acidic than a 
natural mineralized water. 

806
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,760
The buffering system to handle 
that acidity coming in is that 

807
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,600
the the blood needs to stay at 
this particular pH to maintain 

808
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:28,840
that. 
When there's so much acidity 

809
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,760
coming in, minerals are taken 
out of our bones. 

810
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,040
So our bones store minerals. 
This is bone mineralization. 

811
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,360
Those come out to neutralize the
acidity that's being introduced 

812
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,080
to the body. 
And so over time, we weaken our 

813
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:46,560
skeletal structure. 
So my hunch is that all of these

814
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,400
rates of osteoporosis, this is 
not just natural aging and 

815
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,520
decline, It's the fact that 
people live in a state of mild 

816
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,880
acidosis and they're exposed to 
heavy metals through drinking 

817
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,720
water and food that do also 
interfere with the bone 

818
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:03,520
remodeling process. 
Yeah, because heavy metals 

819
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,680
inhibit you from absorbing 
minerals properly, right? 

820
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,000
Yeah, they're actually binding 
to the cell site where the 

821
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,720
minerals should be, getting to 
some of these different heavy 

822
00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:16,440
metals, whether it's arsenic or 
lead or cadmium. 

823
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,920
Aluminium will bind where 
minerals need to bind, and they 

824
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,600
just interfere with this balance
of osteoclast osteoblasts. 

825
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,840
So that's a big problem along 
with the fluoride, too much 

826
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,520
fluoride in this water. 
Yeah. 

827
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,960
Have you ever heard of taking a 
teaspoon of baking soda and 

828
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,960
mixing with water for 
alkalinity? 

829
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,680
Yeah, that's meant to handle the
acidity as well. 

830
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,240
This. 
Why did we not know about this 

831
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:41,800
earlier? 
Yeah, it sounds ingenious. 

832
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,640
Just adding a little bit of 
bicarb soda. 

833
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:46,440
Yeah, it's not becoming too 
reliant on it because apparently

834
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,880
we become too alkaline. 
Can be an issue. 

835
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,760
Yeah. 
But I don't think many people 

836
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,400
are running the risk of being 
too alkaline right these days, 

837
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,360
given our dietary choices, 
right, what we're exposed to. 

838
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,400
While we're on the topic of 
nutrients, I thought it'd be a 

839
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,280
good time for us to try the 
liver smoothie sitting in front 

840
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,880
of us. 
Have you had organ meats before?

841
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,960
I've had them in capsule form 
and I've actually sprinkled them

842
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,800
in food and I love them. 
Really. 

843
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:10,880
Yeah. 
So I'm excited. 

844
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,920
I feel like that's rare. 
Like I don't, I don't actually 

845
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,880
like them, but like I have to. 
I have to like put them in a 

846
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,960
smoothie to cover up the taste. 
OK, all right, well, let's try. 

847
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,360
It see what you think This is 
chicken liver, but it's it's it 

848
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,880
with berries, raw milk, honey, 
mint leaves. 

849
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,120
I cannot taste any chicken 
liver. 

850
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,480
Yeah, that's great. 
Are these little chickens? 

851
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:32,560
Where are they? 
What? 

852
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:33,360
Yeah. 
Who's chickens? 

853
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,000
Yeah. 
Cradle pastor's chickens. 

854
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,360
Chicken is more mild than beef. 
The beef is, like, intolerable. 

855
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,680
I think if you just eat it 
plain. 

856
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,080
Yeah. 
But yeah, the chicken's more 

857
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,240
mild. 
This I love the the ingredients 

858
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:48,400
you've matched together. 
It tastes delicious good I'm. 

859
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,440
Glad you like it. 
Yeah, I just love, I love the 

860
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,200
nutrient profile of liver and 
that's why I consume it. 

861
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,240
Yeah. 
But I don't love the taste. 

862
00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:01,840
You have posted about Lindsay 
Lohan's transformation and the 

863
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,200
Internet is speculating, has 
been speculating for a long 

864
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,960
time, I feel like over what 
plastic surgeries she's done to 

865
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,880
get the transformation that 
she's achieved. 

866
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:12,760
What's your take? 
I'd love to know. 

867
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,480
When I look at her face, how 
much it changed and how 

868
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,480
naturally beautiful it looks 
now, it looks like to me how her

869
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,880
face should have grown in the 
1st place. 

870
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,520
Everything is in harmony. 
As I'm saying, the cheekbones 

871
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,000
look a little bit more defined, 
her lips look a little bit more 

872
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,120
supportive. 
The eyes noticeably to me look 

873
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,960
larger and healthier. 
And there's no treatment on the 

874
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:41,320
market aside from developing the
mouth roof that I know of that 

875
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:46,080
can deliver the results that 
she's showcasing the way her 

876
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,760
skin looks healthier. 
Everything is well supported. 

877
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:54,000
So I was saying, I believe this 
is facial orthodontics at work. 

878
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,000
And I remember someone messaging
me and saying, but she doesn't 

879
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,280
have the gap in the teeth. 
And that's true. 

880
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,560
When you do an axillary 
expansion like what I'm doing 

881
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,120
where it hooks into the mouth 
roof, you get a gap that when I 

882
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:11,000
did the removable expander 8 
years ago, I didn't experience a

883
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,720
gap. 
And as you've witnessed, there 

884
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:15,600
was a lot of change I achieved 
by using just a removable 

885
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,080
expanding device. 
So she may have used one of 

886
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,160
those when I even went back 
through her profile. 

887
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,680
And I looked over the months and
I thought these changes are 

888
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,960
actually gradual over about six 
months, whereas if you go in for

889
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,000
a surgery, it's instantaneous. 
Yeah. 

890
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,200
If you have a jaw surgery, 
you're going to have you look 

891
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,520
one way, have a surgery with 
downtime, and then have to heal 

892
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,720
from that and look different. 
And she seemed to gradually 

893
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:42,760
improve. 
So I think it's fatal 

894
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,640
photontics. 
Yeah, that actually makes a lot 

895
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,520
of sense. 
What is your take on Botox and 

896
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,280
fillers? 
I have tried them, the last time

897
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,960
I did them was about 3 1/2 years
ago and I'm not against people 

898
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,040
using them, but you're just 
getting in this loop of having 

899
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:03,520
to rely on them when I know that
deep down bones can do a better 

900
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,240
job. 
And I don't hate the look of 

901
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:08,080
fine lines. 
To a degree, I feel like 

902
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,160
attractiveness comes down more 
to a healthy structure than it 

903
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,360
does about whether or not you 
have lines on your face. 

904
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,720
I think you can have lines on 
your face and look good for your

905
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:20,360
age. 
So I I choose not to do Botox. 

906
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,480
I don't really like the feeling.
It leaves that heavy feeling in 

907
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,640
the face. 
Do you think like the muscle 

908
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,080
paralysis can have a weakening 
effect on the bones? 

909
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,960
I'm just thinking like for the 
body, we're told to to move the 

910
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:37,200
body and exercise and for, you 
know, strength training, the 

911
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,160
important role that that plays 
in like bone density and bone 

912
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,280
health as we age. 
Do you think the same could be 

913
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,880
true for the face? 
And if we like paralyze the 

914
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,360
muscles, do you think that could
have a negative effect on the 

915
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,680
bone growth and bone structure? 
That's true. 

916
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,600
We want to be engaging muscles, 
not paralyzing them because when

917
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,840
muscles are used, that's when we
see the the structure beneath. 

918
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,200
Stay strong. 
So depending on where you're 

919
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,600
putting the Botox and how much 
paralysis, I I guess in theory 

920
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,960
it could weaken bones. 
I don't choose to use filler at 

921
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,680
the moment because personally 
I've been watching my face 

922
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,400
changing and I'm trying to get 
it more symmetrical. 

923
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,720
So if I went to get fillers, I'd
be saying OK, now plump it here 

924
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:18,960
and get this matching the other 
side, which would be pointless 

925
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,200
to me because then I can't see 
what changes are happening 

926
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,560
beneath by doing expansions 
it's. 

927
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,440
Like masking rather than 
treating the root cause. 

928
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,520
Yeah, it's a masking. 
And a lot of the symptoms we're 

929
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,720
trying to combat with filler is 
a symptom of a maxillary 

930
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:37,120
deficiency, which my whole 
advocacy is around airway health

931
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:41,400
and maxillary growth. 
So to me, just go to the root 

932
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:42,960
cause. 
Yeah, and don't fiddle around 

933
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,480
with fillers endlessly. 
Yeah, and I know you've been 

934
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,360
talking about how this is 
possible for adults. 

935
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,400
Is there ever an age where it's 
too late to work on? 

936
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,360
This. 
No, unless you find an 

937
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:54,680
orthodontist who says they 
won't. 

938
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,120
Some of them are cagey about 
doing this, but I know 

939
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,760
orthodontist who are doing it to
people with people who are in 

940
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,840
their late 50s. 
So there's no barrier. 

941
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,840
There's no reason why they can't
do this later. 

942
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:10,240
The FDA have just approved the 
Vivos DNA appliance for use on 

943
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:16,600
adults as a prevention or turn 
reversal of obstructive sleep 

944
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,840
apnea. 
So it's designed for adults in 

945
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,280
later life who are not breathing
well. 

946
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,160
So they don't put a cap on this 
age wise, no. 

947
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,080
What I love about your message, 
too, is that there's still hope.

948
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:27,680
Like there's always something 
you can do. 

949
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,120
What would you say to maybe a 
mom who's listening, whose child

950
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,120
has braces now? 
Maybe they've already had some 

951
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,080
teeth pulled? 
Like what is the best next step 

952
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,000
forward? 
If they've just started braces, 

953
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,880
I would say don't freak out once
those braces come out. 

954
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,840
Your child has stranded teeth, 
but that's the time. 

955
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,000
Don't rely on that retainer. 
I know that they're given a 

956
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,560
retainer so the teeth don't go 
crumpled up again, but the 

957
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,400
retainer is going to lock the 
bite and prevent that jaw and 

958
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,400
mouth roof from growing. 
So if you're child's embraces, 

959
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,680
you can either take them out of 
braces now or wait till the 

960
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,320
teeth are a bit straighter and 
do it then. 

961
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,160
And then say to the 
orthodontist, don't glue any 

962
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,520
retainers on the teeth. 
Give me a night time retainer, 

963
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,200
that plastic Invisalign looking 
one and then your child can wear

964
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,120
that for a few months while they
complete myofunctional therapy 

965
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,360
with a trained professional. 
So the professional who does 

966
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,040
orifacial myology is teaching a 
child how to put their tongue in

967
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:34,320
the right position, how to 
swallow properly and maybe undo 

968
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:35,920
some poor habits around 
breathing. 

969
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,440
Hopefully your child has the 
ability to nasal breathe and the

970
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,280
mouth roof that's not so high 
and deep that they can put the 

971
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,760
tongue there and retain their 
new straight occlusion. 

972
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:51,560
But what they may actually need 
to do is take the braces off and

973
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,360
then go to the orthodontist who 
does pallet expansion and say, 

974
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,160
look, the teeth are fairly 
straight, but the mouth roof is 

975
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,080
high and narrow, leading to a 
narrow face, leading to a small 

976
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,760
concave airway. 
That's creating all these other 

977
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,200
issues that I can't really 
address with my functional 

978
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,280
therapy because the mouth roof 
is too high. 

979
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:13,440
So it's this thing where the 
child's at trying to get the my 

980
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,240
functional therapy that could 
even do quite a lot of change 

981
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:18,640
just fixing the muscles. 
But unfortunately, if your 

982
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,960
child's face is quite narrow and
they are struggling to breathe 

983
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:26,200
nasally, go and get the pellet 
expander and you can expand with

984
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:27,840
braces on. 
So I don't know how that would 

985
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,200
happen with two different 
orthodontists. 

986
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,160
That's probably too complicated.
But when you go to the right 

987
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,720
orthodontist, they sometimes put
the expander in and they've got 

988
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:36,920
their braces guiding the teeth 
at the same time. 

989
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:43,560
And that's an optimal situation.
So for the parent who just have 

990
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,480
their child's teeth extracted 
prior to braces, I really feel 

991
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,800
for them because I've just been 
given some really bad advice. 

992
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,080
This can be corrected down the 
track by doing the pellet 

993
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,080
expansion. 
As I say, take the braces off, 

994
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,840
expand the mouth roof. 
If you have a skilled 

995
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,240
orthodontist, they can guide the
teeth to reopen those extraction

996
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:04,600
sites. 
So normally premolars, they tend

997
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,840
to take those out and then close
gaps, open those extraction 

998
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,560
sites and put ceramic teeth 
implants. 

999
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,720
That's at least going to hold 
the mouth roof at its full size 

1000
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:16,160
that it should be. 
And then the face will be 

1001
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,720
structurally the right size and 
the airway is the right size. 

1002
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:22,120
So you do want to undo the 
damage of tooth extractions, 

1003
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,040
particularly if they're 
premolars. 

1004
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,600
What about teenagers and young 
adults who are being told that 

1005
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,360
they need to have their wisdom 
teeth taken out? 

1006
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,720
Wisdom teeth should be kept. 
We want to keep our teeth. 

1007
00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:35,120
We don't want to have them 
extracted. 

1008
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,920
I know sometimes people say 
they're impacted, they're 

1009
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,000
painful. 
Go to the face orthodontist 

1010
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,560
who's doing pallet expansion and
ask them, can you guide my jaw 

1011
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,240
to come forward and slightly 
widen my dental arch with pallet

1012
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:51,440
expansion to just get the teeth 
enough room so that those 

1013
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,760
impacted teeth straighten out 
and you can keep them because 

1014
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,640
that's going to keep the 
structure stronger. 

1015
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,680
You don't want to lose teeth 
that can cause infections and 

1016
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,520
it's a whole other issue you 
don't want to worry about. 

1017
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,680
The solution is creating room 
and keeping all adult teeth. 

1018
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:09,200
Mouth shaping is all the rage 
right now to help facilitate 

1019
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,720
nasal breathing at night. 
I know I've experienced benefits

1020
00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:13,680
with mouth shaping. 
I'm curious what your thoughts 

1021
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:14,440
are. 
Yeah. 

1022
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:18,320
So mouth taping is a tool to 
support the right myofunctional 

1023
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,000
habits. 
I guess it's encouraging the lip

1024
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,200
seal and keeping the teeth in 
occlusion and touching because 

1025
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,160
when our mouth is open, our 
teeth hang open, we're going to 

1026
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:31,040
have the teeth touching, which 
gives a better availability for 

1027
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,320
the tongue to touch and sucks 
onto the mouth roof. 

1028
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,200
So if you need that as a signal 
to remind you while you're 

1029
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,320
sleeping to have those in place,
then that can be really 

1030
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,760
beneficial. 
However, word of caution is that

1031
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,960
if you already do not have a lot
of air flow through the nose, 

1032
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,400
especially if you're trying to 
encourage a child who's not 

1033
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,240
breathing well through the nose 
to mouth tape, I'd say let them 

1034
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:54,800
breathe through the mouth if 
they need to and go and get the 

1035
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,680
expander. 
It really depends on their 

1036
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,680
degree of severity as to whether
or not that's right for them. 

1037
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:03,320
Yeah. 
You have a book called Beauty is

1038
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:07,240
Bone Deep, which I have on order
and I'm so excited to dig into. 

1039
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,760
What can people expect with your
book? 

1040
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,560
What can they expect to learn? 
So in my first book Beauty is 

1041
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:17,040
Burned Deep, it's titled Learn 
how we grow a beautiful Face. 

1042
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,760
Plus by doing so sustains health
of the body and mind. 

1043
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,800
It talks you through really how 
we get this right from the get 

1044
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,160
go and how our society got it 
wrong. 

1045
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,280
The food system, our traditional
orthodontic system, just doing 

1046
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,560
everything backwards and then 
guiding them through the 

1047
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,560
evidence and the data on adult 
pellet expansion and how the 

1048
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,720
face actually changes and 
delivers us these 

1049
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,160
characteristics of natural 
beauty that we're all looking 

1050
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,240
for and all genetically should 
be representative of. 

1051
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,560
From there it then delves into 
full health. 

1052
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,080
And the last, last half of the 
book is all in the health of the

1053
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,160
body, the nervous system, brain 
oxygenation, cell oxygenation, 

1054
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,200
all the diseases that now stem 
from oxidative stress. 

1055
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,720
Essentially all disease has a a 
foundation in oxidative stress, 

1056
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:09,280
the balance of oxygen and carbon
dioxide being off. 

1057
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,120
And this speeds up aging. 
So we're looking at sleep 

1058
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,560
disorders, sleep disorder, 
breathing, heart disease, which 

1059
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,440
is our number one means of 
mortality. 

1060
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,240
Now the heart gets dysregulated.
Our circulation is poor when 

1061
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:24,360
we're a mouth breather and have 
sleep apnea. 

1062
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,280
And that's because we only 
release nitric oxide through the

1063
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,640
nose when we nasal breathe and 
that's our vasodilator. 

1064
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,800
So when we breathe through the 
nose, the nitric oxide opens up 

1065
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,640
the circulatory veins and 
capillaries and allows blood 

1066
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,400
flow to pass really easily, 
which takes pressure off our 

1067
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,720
heart. 
But if we're breathing through 

1068
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:46,560
the mouth and we're bypassing 
the nitric oxide, not only are 

1069
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,360
we taking those shallow breaths 
that don't inhale oxygen, 

1070
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,320
speeding up the heart, we've got
these tight veins. 

1071
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,400
So the heart's pumping really 
fast. 

1072
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,320
And this is really putting 
people out of alignment, giving 

1073
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,000
them the physical symptoms and 
interfering with detox pathways,

1074
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:06,280
but also mental health issues, 
poor sleep, anxiety, depression 

1075
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,840
from fatigue. 
It's this whole spectrum, this 

1076
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,480
whole holistic look at health. 
And the best part is, is when we

1077
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,800
correct this, we look better and
we feel better, yeah. 

1078
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,200
Have you? 
Are you familiar with hyperbaric

1079
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,720
oxygen therapy? 
Yeah, they use that now for 

1080
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:23,240
cancer treatment. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of 

1081
00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:25,200
different things. 
I mean, I kind of did a deep 

1082
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,520
dive on that a while ago because
my husband and I bought one for 

1083
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,080
our own home. 
And in my research, I was just 

1084
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:36,280
learning like how crucial oxygen
is for every function within the

1085
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:37,920
body. 
And just, there's so much 

1086
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:42,240
powerful research on how having 
the proper oxygenation can 

1087
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:45,520
prevent and reverse so many 
diseases and disorders. 

1088
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,160
And so this all just makes so 
much more sense to me that 

1089
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:53,280
optimizing that intuitively to 
like what our body, you know, 

1090
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,880
what our body was like made to 
and meant to do would just 

1091
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:01,480
optimize everything like how the
body functions, the features, 

1092
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,200
like it all kind of harmonizes 
like you mentioned earlier. 

1093
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,240
We're born to be beautiful. 
That's what I say about bringing

1094
00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:09,800
that up earlier. 
We're born to look good and feel

1095
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,040
good. 
And unfortunately it's been 

1096
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,560
labeled as some people are born 
beautiful and others aren't. 

1097
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,800
And it's just there's so much 
lifestyle in the way of us 

1098
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,560
realizing our potential. 
I was literally thinking that 

1099
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,040
like, as I was looking at these 
before and afters online and 

1100
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:27,400
like everyone and everyone like 
should look great and can look 

1101
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,240
great. 
Yeah, if this is kind of like 

1102
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:30,120
optimized. 
Yeah. 

1103
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,760
And even their their struggle 
with their weight and keeping 

1104
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,560
their weight right, even that 
becomes easier when they're 

1105
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,040
getting oxygen in. 
So when we have plenty of oxygen

1106
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,880
coming into ourselves and we've 
got rest and digest working well

1107
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,080
because we're not sympathetic 
OverDrive, we're rest and digest

1108
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:48,320
dominant, then we actually 
because the to process glucose, 

1109
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:52,280
we need oxygen and then it turns
into ATP, that energy supply. 

1110
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,920
But if there's not a lot of 
oxygen and we just got enough to

1111
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:59,720
kind of keep us alive, then that
conversion of glucose and 

1112
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:01,000
absorption nutrients doesn't 
happen. 

1113
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:05,040
And we just store food or we 
get, you know, we're dehydrated 

1114
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,520
and we're blocked up and 
everything just gets put out of 

1115
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,600
whack and people start to put 
weight on. 

1116
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,560
And when you're really fatigued,
not sleeping well, it's super 

1117
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,160
hard to stick to those healthy 
lifestyle choices because you're

1118
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:16,640
just struggling to get through 
the day. 

1119
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:17,920
Right. 
Yeah. 

1120
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:22,080
I think this is really going to 
be a topic that is going to be 

1121
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,080
more widely discussed in the 
coming years and I love that you

1122
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,200
are paving the way for that and 
just putting so much good 

1123
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,360
information out there for people
to learn. 

1124
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,720
Where can people follow you and 
continue to learn from you? 

1125
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,560
Yeah, so I'm mainly showcasing 
myself at healthyface.com and 

1126
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,360
Instagram at Nurturing Healthy 
Faces. 

1127
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,560
I'm always putting up new 
content to Nurturing Healthy 

1128
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,200
Faces on. 
Instagram yeah, Katrina is a 

1129
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,720
great follow. 
Your reels get so much 

1130
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,920
engagement and sometimes I just 
like to look through the 

1131
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comments. 
Always like so many good 

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discussions on those. 
Thanks, Bethany. 

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I know I love the community 
that's there because people 

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they've just really resonated 
with it and there's it's, it's 

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explaining to people why they're
having all of these seemingly 

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unrelated symptoms and it. 
Just makes so much sense. 

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Like once you hear it, it's 
like, oh, it's just like Western

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medicine. 
We've been masking these things 

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instead of getting to the root 
cause. 

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Yeah. 
So I think it really resonates. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
Well, thanks so much for being 

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here. 
This was such a treat talking to

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you. 
And I just thank you again for 

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coming all the way from 
Australia to be on the farm with

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us today. 
My pleasure. 

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00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,320
I'm so grateful that you invited
me on the show, Bethany, because

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this is such an important topic 
and hats off to you to giving it

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another platform to showcase 
what's possible for people and 

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help them actually heal their 
health and set them on the right

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00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,440
path. 
It's so important, so I applaud 

1152
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you for jumping on this topic 
and letting more people know 

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about it. 
Thank you.