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Imagine hearing the gut 
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has cancer just before their 
third birthday. 

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I have to tell my families this 
all the time, that their child 

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didn't get cancer because they 
were deficient in chemo. 

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This was the reality for Susan 
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Susan made it her mission to 
help her son not only survive 

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but thrive during his cancer 
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It's not a deficiency in that, 
it's deficiency in the immune 

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system. 
She poured herself into the 

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research and started 
implementing natural detox and 

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dietary protocols, which helped 
her son to to avoid many of the 

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harsh side effects associated 
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Chemotherapy and they just lay 
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antibiotics every week for 3 1/2
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We decided to not do that and to
keep his immune system healthy 

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naturally. 
In today's episode of Grounded 

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Wellness, Susan shares her 
journey and offers valuable 

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insights on how to navigate an 
unexpected pediatric cancer 

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diagnosis with hope and 
strength. 

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Let's dig in season. 
I can't believe that you're here

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in the flesh. 
I mean we've known each other 

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and been friends for like over a
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A long time. 
And have only seen each other in

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person a handful of times. 
So it's just it's such a treat 

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to have you here today. 
Thanks. 

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Thank you. 
It's so fun to be here. 

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I was telling you when I got 
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Yeah, it's been 10 years since 
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Near or on the old farm? 
Yeah, we came to visit and so 

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good to see. 
Part of like the primal pastures

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and family. 
Pure journey. 

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Like literally since the 
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Yeah, it's been fun to watch it 
evolve and grow and see all the 

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things you're doing and getting 
attacked by a goose on my way, 

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and that was actually so fun. 
You handled it like a It was 

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awesome. 
Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry about 

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that. 
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It was so great. 
It was grew up on a farm so it 

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was nothing strange. 
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You're the best person for it to
happen to. 

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Yeah, could have been, could 
have gone side, yeah, with some 

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other guests, but you can handle
that stuff. 

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OK. 
So I'm just going to dive in 

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with like a big question for 
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Is cancer A? 
Chemotherapy deficiency. 

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No, it's not. 
And I, I have to tell my 

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families this all the time that,
you know, their, their child 

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didn't get cancer because they 
were deficient in chemo or 

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radiation or surgery or a 
medication. 

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God didn't create us with this 
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And you know, while all of those
methods can help, it's, it's not

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a deficiency in that, it's 
deficiency in the immune system.

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And just for anyone who isn't 
familiar with your background or

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like why and how you are so 
qualified to speak on this 

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subject, can you tell us a 
little bit about your background

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and your son's journey with 
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Yeah, So about, well, my son's 
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So when he was born, I went back
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nutritional therapy 
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right around when we first 
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conferences. 
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And ironically, I would not see 
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That just felt really scary and 
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You wouldn't see patients that. 
I wouldn't see patients exactly.

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So I would help people with 
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fertility, weight loss, detox, 
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But just if somebody called me 
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cancer, I was so intimidated and
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I'd refer them out. 
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Thanksgiving and my son would, 
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and he or he was two. 
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protocols. 
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I'm like, have them on 
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I'm just trying to figure out 
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not feeling well? 
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Never, you know, didn't receive 
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the root cause of this. 
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stopped walking. 
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like something is wrong inside. 
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Bedridden couldn't couldn't 
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He would like have to carry him.
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think we need to come down to LA
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osteopath. 
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in Mammoth Lakes, so it wasn't 
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mentor, Kim Shooty and I, just 
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phone, I broke down. 
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something was really wrong and 
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and she's like, no, I'm sure 
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but take him down to see Doctor 
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Doctor Moreno, which we you've 
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I haven't. 
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About him, but I haven't he's an
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He's an osteopath, Craniosacral 
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Arizona that we see. 
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structure effects, function, 
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He's just so gifted. 
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this after, but just putting his
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He knew that he had leukemia and
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know, we needed to go and he 
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the ER at Loma Linda. 
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Loma Linda, checked in and next 
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transferred to the oncology 
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My husband didn't know what that
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I did. 
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it took about two days to get an
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lymphoblastic leukemia. 
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who, by the way, was on the 
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eye contact. 
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beautiful that like this 
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with cancer. 
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parent to have a, a physician 
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intelligence, but not any 
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they tell us, you know, your son
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Here's our protocol and mind 
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like we had not had given him 
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like just and they just lay out 
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It's going to be 3 1/2 years. 
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Why antibiotics? 
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a preventative. 
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prevent what I consider kind of 
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that can develop in the lungs 
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let's support their immune 
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fire off and get rid of fungus 
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which you're then you're 
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immune system is wiped, their 
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So if they really need it, it's 
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So they recommended antibiotics 
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treatment. 
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Saturday, Sunday. 
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choice to not do that. 
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We had a whole functional team 
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working alongside our 
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talk more about that disconnect 
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But we had this amazing team 
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giving us alternatives to 
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try to prevent that fungus 
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immune system healthy naturally.
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antibiotics, Yeah. 
And did you tell your oncologist

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that you were also doing these? 
Things. 

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prescription because we didn't 
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trouble. 
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met with a lot of. 
Resistance, a lot of pushback 

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and actually, and we'll talk 
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now working with families, it's 
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medical doctor, so I can't tell 
people not to take a 

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prescription, right? 
But we do encourage our families

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to talk to their oncologist 
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And we have had, believe it or 
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are just think it's insane. 
Absolutely take the antibiotics.

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I wouldn't, you know, don't go 
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But we've had a handful of 
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these kids are doing through 
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they're not giving it to them. 
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Like, is that dangerous to admit
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It can be with that, yeah. 
CPS will be called, most likely.

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CPS will show up at their door, 
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chooses to report them. 
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back to that day and and we're 
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at that point, we left that room
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hospital room with our son and 
immediately got on a phone call 

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with this functional team that 
they were colleagues and my 

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mentors of mine. 
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present us their protocol. 
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protocol. 
Here's what we would do and 

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choose. 
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around the Bush. 
They wouldn't like they wouldn't

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share with us specific things. 
And I finally said, what's going

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on? 
What is your protocol? 

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And they said, you know, Susan, 
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leave. 
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if you're under the age of 18 in
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if they're diagnosed with 
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to do chemotherapy, radiation 
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Wow, I feel like I've heard 
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of parents that that choose not 
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child is actually taken from 
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Child becomes property, the 

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state parents could be subject. 
To being arrested. 

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And you know, it's, it's one of 
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always say like, well, my kids 
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and you're like, OK, I said 
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You're like, here's your iPad. 
But I get a lot like parents 

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will say out of just ignorance, 
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cancer, we'd just go to Mexico, 
or we'd just go to Germany. 

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It's easier said than done 
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expect my kid to be diagnosed 
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Right. 
You, you see them, they have 

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these symptoms and you take them
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thing that you would expect. 
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and you're essentially stuck. 
And that's to get an official 

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diagnosis. 
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alternative testing they do with
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through a hospital setting. 
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you're stuck And, and you know, 
I am so confident that we did 

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the right thing, right, that we 
walked through this and, and 

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more so now looking back and 
going, we learned how many 

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things we could do alongside the
chemo, the surgery, the 

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radiation, the required. 
Antibiotics, all the different 

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things we could do to keep him 
healthy through that and and now

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be a testament to all the 
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Do you think that he could have 
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better without the chemotherapy 
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actually did help him in some 
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there's been so many different 

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studies done from the functional
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responds really well to 
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alternative medicine and natural
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agree that chemo can play a role
with, with leukemia. 

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Now I does it need to be done 
the way it's done? 

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No, like we're, we're literally 
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age, this is their weight, this 
is their diagnosis. 

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Here's your protocol. 
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cancer, really healthy child, 
never on any other medication is

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given the same exact protocol as
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diabetes and, you know, sepsis 
and all these other issues going

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on. 
They're on the same protocol, 

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just changed by weight. 
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approach. 
Yep, and because we didn't give 

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the antibiotics, his immune 
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treatment, so he was never 
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scheduled chemotherapy. 
Not once. 

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What side effects did he 
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So he lost his hair, and that 
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it makes it real, right? 
You're like, wow, this is my 

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kid. 
Is that kid the bald kid from 

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the Saint Jude commercials? 
You know it was. 

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Brief though, right? 
It wasn't very brief. 

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OK, in fact, we might have 
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with shaving it, but it was just
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watching it fall out. 
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like the next day it was like, 
think like hair just started 

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growing back. 
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much to support his body while 
he was undergoing the treatment.

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They're losing hair because the 
chemo's meant to literally bring

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you almost to death like it, it 
kills everything. 

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support the body to keep it 

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healthy through treatment. 
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side effect that we, I would say
there's two just kind of mood 

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of treatment and they've just 
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Our little 4 year old is like 
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way he feels and he just gets 
angry and frustrated. 

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system was doing so well, they 
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normal dose. 
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his his immune system isn't 
dropping is ANC absolute 

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neutrophil count. 
It's not dropping. 

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So we're going to just that 
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dropping. 
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biopsies to show, but they only 
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right or to treat cancer. 
And and it's we, we watch kids 

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come in and we, they're, they're
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Like literally their skin is 
grey, They're bald, they're 

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vomiting. 
Yeah, I can. 

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I can imagine what you're 
describing. 

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Yes. 
Yeah. 

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And that's the standard. 
That's the standard of care. 

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They want kids to get to that 
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they're like, OK, we need to 
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Dose because they don't think 
it's working even if the cancer 

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cells are dropping. 
Yeah, even if the, you know, his

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platelets are good. 
You look at there's certain 

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markers you look on just weekly 
blood work that would indicate 

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if cancer is back. 
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present. 
But his immune system was doing 

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too well. 
And so because they got him up 

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to this incredibly high dose, I 
remember one night he was not 

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feeling well. 
And I mean, he didn't vomit 

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through treatment. 
Like he truly thrived except for

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this night, he threw up and it 
burnt a hole in my pillow. 

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It was like this fluorescent 
color and it literally there was

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a hole in the pillow. 
I mean, it was like toxic. 

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Like it was crazy. 
So that was really the only time

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that I recognized like, wow, 
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destructive. 
I don't did you know at that 

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point that they were increasing 
the dose so dramatically? 

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We did. 
And I mean, your hands are kind 

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of tied. 
There's nothing you could do. 

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And you just and we just upped 
the detox, we upped his 

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nutrition, you know, just all of
the healing modalities that we 

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were learning and that we were 
implementing. 

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We just kind of tennexed it. 
But yeah, it felt a little bit 

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out of control. 
Like, Oh my gosh, I don't know 

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how I I'm like my hands are 
tied. 

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And what were all of those 
things that you were doing to 

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support his body naturally 
alongside the chemotherapy? 

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Yeah, so we had him on a really 
intentional, I don't like to say

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strict because there was plenty 
of time to let him be a little 

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boy and go to a birthday party. 
We'd always bring his healthy 

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treat to enjoy. 
But he he was on a really 

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intentional diet and so it was 
kind of a Weston Price type 

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diet. 
Lots of healthy fats, lots of 

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protein, fresh organic veggies, 
not a lot of grains, of course, 

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not sugar. 
Once in a while we'd make like 

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homemade gummy candies with raw 
honey. 

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And what are For anyone who 
isn't familiar, what does sugar 

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do to cancer in the body? 
Yeah, so healthy cells have the 

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metabolic flexibility to use 
both sugar and fat as a fuel 

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source. 
Cancer cells can only use sugar 

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as a fuel source. 
So essentially, if you can 

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remove sugar from the diet, you 
can effectively starve a cancer 

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cell. 
But if you continue eating 

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sugar, you're you're feeding the
cancer. 

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Now I will say that research in 
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there's now cancers that are 
super tricky and they can use 

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both as fuel. 
And so that's where you just 

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have to come in with all angles,
right? 

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There's not. 
AI wouldn't say there's a 

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one-size-fits-all even diet for 
every single person with cancer.

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But when we're looking at kids, 
we look at the metabolic 

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approach. 
So how can we support their 

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terrain with healthy fats, 
protein, carbohydrates coming 

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from only fruits and vegetables,
fermented foods, right, to feed 

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the bacteria in their gut. 
So we fed them really 

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intentionally. 
We did a lot of detox. 

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So we would do Castor oil packs,
detox baths, homeopathic 

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drainage remedies, homeopathy. 
So homeopathy is one of my 

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favorite tools that we use with 
our families because it's 

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essentially like you can't screw
it up, you can't overdose, you 

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can't ruin anything. 
It will not affect the medicine.

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It's not going to reduce the 
efficacy of what they're getting

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from the doctor, but it goes 
into the tissue and essentially 

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can drain the organs and tissue 
of toxins really gently. 

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And these are like the little 
tablets. 

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Tablets, liquid, there's 
different gemotherapies that are

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usually liquid and then there's 
the pellets, there's tablets and

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they're easy to get your into 
your kids because you've seen 

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like arnica, right? 
The little beadlets you just 

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they're like sugar pellets. 
So it's such a gentle way to 

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support kids. 
My kids love taking them. 

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Actually. 
They'll ask for them. 

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We're like, you know, yeah. 
You don't need anything right 

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now. 
Candy. 

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Yeah. 
So yeah, help me up a lot of 

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that. 
We have them on some specific 

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supplements that are functional.
Team had put them on a lot of 

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organ meats. 
Bone marrow if you think about 

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like leukemia, you know well 
part of the chemotherapy, it 

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suppresses the bone marrow 
production, suppresses red blood

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cell production, suppresses 
platelets. 

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So in order to keep all of that 
functioning, we give them 

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exactly what they need, which is
bone marrow from grass fed 

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animals. 
We teach families how to like. 

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You roast them, scoop it in, mix
it in with any dish. 

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We have moms in our group that 
will mix it in French toast. 

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Wow. 
Like I need to to try the bone 

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marrow. 
Like I'm fairly familiar with 

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incorporating organ meats into 
our foods, but bone marrow is 

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something that I haven't done 
yet. 

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Yeah. 
And I don't love the taste. 

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Like, it's not. 
My kids will eat it out of the 

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bone at a restaurant. 
Yeah, I don't love it. 

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But mixing it in, you can't 
taste it. 

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Yeah, it's actually really Yeah 
into a savory dish. 

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How do you how did you 
incorporate the other organ 

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meats into his diet? 
We had, we had bought a quarter 

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of a cow, right. 
And so we just asked for the 

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liver, the kidneys, the heart 
and asked the butcher to, to mix

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it in with all the ground beef. 
Nice. 

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And you know, ground beef is so 
much more affordable to cook 

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with when you're trying to get 
really good quality meat. 

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And so we just said, can you put
all of the organ meats mixed 

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into our ground beef and most of
the cow we had it turned into 

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ground beef. 
Yeah, that's. 

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That's a good way to go. 
Yeah, it's less expensive. 

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You can do organ meat 
supplements of course, but kids 

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don't love swallowing pills And 
but but. 

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Kicker did learn to swallow 
pills. 

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At a young age, how did you 
manage? 

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To do that. 
That was God. 

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I don't know how that happened. 
He was not even. 

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No, I think he, maybe he'd just 
turned 3 and he just surprised 

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us one day, like we were 
breaking open like 20 capsules a

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day and trying to mix it in. 
And then he'd get mad 'cause his

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applesauce was now like green 
and tasted like algae. 

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You know, he's like, what is 
this? 

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And I said, buddy, if you can 
swallow pills, you'd, you can 

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eat your applesauce plain. 
You know, we, it would be so 

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helpful. 
And I, I do remember putting a 

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pill at the end of his straw. 
Somebody had told me this. 

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And put it in the water and had 
him just suck it back. 

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That's what they do in the 
hospital. 

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They teach you, but they teach 
you with Tic Tacs or candy, 

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right? 
So I'm like, well, we'll try it 

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with a little pill. 
And he did it. 

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And I think that just gave him 
confidence. 

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So we kept, it was a big deal. 
We encouraged him. 

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And yeah, that made my life so 
much easier. 

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I've seen this other trick and 
maybe it was you who posted 

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about this, but something with 
like you have them jump off of 

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something while they maybe it 
maybe it wasn't you then, but 

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like you give them the 
supplement and then they like 

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they like put it in their mouth 
and like swallow it as they're 

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like jumping off the coffee 
table. 

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Oh my gosh, have you ever? 
Seen. 

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That it almost sounds like it 
could. 

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It could go really well or 
really poorly. 

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That I know. 
I haven't seen that, but I, I 

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think like, you know, the whole 
head tilt. 

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My husband still has to do that.
I could give him a pill and he's

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like jumping on one leg and 
throwing his head back. 

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I I can swallow like 5 at a time
same like just down a big gulp 

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of water. 
We always joke that our kids and

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yours, same, especially with 
homeopathic remedies, they all 

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are alcohol based, so they taste
a little alcohol. 

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So we joke that like our kids 
are going to be at the bar at 

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21, like taking shots, like it's
no big deal because they've done

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it. 
They're all Yeah, I'm a little. 

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Scared. 
Did you ever do liver smoothies 

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with them? 
I did when? 

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But here's the mistake I made. 
And I think I forever scarred my

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husband. 
So my kids never really figured 

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it out until my husband made it 
a deal because they didn't blend

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the liver really well. 
Oh, no. 

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So big chunks of that. 
Yes, he did. 

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Josh did. 
Oh, that's horrible. 

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And it was a big chunk. 
And he chewed it and he's like, 

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what is in my smoothie? 
And he's like, he thought it was

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a banana. 
Yeah. 

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That's happened to me. 
It's it's terrible. 

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You need a good blender. 
Yeah, but we did. 

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We did deliver smoothies. 
What did you mix it with? 

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Berries, bananas, I would do raw
milk. 

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Kicker actually didn't do really
what great on raw milk, but he 

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downed raw Keefer during. 
In fact he craved raw Keefer 

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like his body knew he needed it.
He would walk into chemo with a 

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quart Papa Marks. 
Yeah, Kiefer. 

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And he would walk in and it was,
it was crazy. 

454
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,960
His body loved it. 
So we add Kiefer. 

455
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,280
OK, I want you to try my 
smoothie and see if he grew 

456
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,280
because it's basically what you 
just described. 

457
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:21,040
But yeah, have banana, but it's 
raw milk, raw liver, chicken 

458
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,920
liver. 
So it's like a little bit more 

459
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,400
mild. 
Yeah, I was going to say that 

460
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,040
is. 
Yeah, probably done better with 

461
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,440
the raw chicken. 
And then there's honey and 

462
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,720
there's mint leaves in here. 
The mint leaves help a lot to 

463
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,680
mask the liver. 
Oh, interesting. 

464
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,600
OK, I blended it well enough 
this morning. 

465
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,680
That's really good. 
You can't taste liver at all. 

466
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,800
Yeah, so I I tried it just to 
see like before I added the 

467
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,720
honey and the mint. 
Yeah, I could totally taste it. 

468
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,440
And then when I added the honey 
and mint it just like it like 

469
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,200
cancels it out. 
And I would have never thought 

470
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,640
mint. 
Yeah, yeah, that's really good. 

471
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,520
Yeah. 
I need to do those again. 

472
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,120
In fact, I. 
Mean, I go in spurts of it, like

473
00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:04,800
once you get in the habit and 
once you have the liver there, 

474
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,680
because I, like, puree it. 
And then I pour it into silicone

475
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,600
molds and freeze them. 
And then just like, have glass 

476
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,160
Tupperware containers full of 
these little, like, cubes. 

477
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:15,720
Yeah. 
In the freezer. 

478
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,440
And when they're there, I'll 
always like, it's easy to plop a

479
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,880
few into a smoothie, but it's 
like going through the process 

480
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,040
of making them. 
Do you when you do your liver 

481
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,400
and I'm, I'm guessing it's 
different for chicken and beef 

482
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,000
because we've only really used 
beef. 

483
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,160
When you get it, you freeze it 
first? 

484
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,280
Or do you cook it and then puree
it? 

485
00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:36,880
I don't cook it, Yeah. 
So it comes frozen like because 

486
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,680
I get it from here from Primal 
Pastures, and then I just 

487
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,720
defrost it in the fridge for 
like 24 hours, OK. 

488
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,600
And but it's never cooked. 
You never. 

489
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,920
OK, Yeah, that's what we do. 
Because when you cook it, that's

490
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,720
you'll totally taste it. 
Yeah, yeah, OK. 

491
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,080
But yeah, putting it into the 
ground beef is another great 

492
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,200
option. 
And especially if you're like 

493
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,360
then using the ground beef in a 
recipe that has like that has 

494
00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:02,480
spices or sauces, it like 
completely masks it. 

495
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,240
You know, and another thing that
we've encouraged our families, 

496
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,880
there's a new brand. 
You've probably, you should have

497
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,040
them on your podcast if you 
haven't yet, but pluck. 

498
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,240
So pluck is an organ meat. 
Yes. 

499
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,360
It's a seasoning. 
I've heard of that. 

500
00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:19,080
That is all organ. 
It's totally clean. 

501
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,400
It's delicious, really cool. 
You could put it on popcorn on a

502
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,400
we put it on eggs every morning,
genius. 

503
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,440
It's wonderful. 
Yeah. 

504
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,520
So that's another way to get 
organ meats in. 

505
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,760
Yeah. 
With, you know, cuz again, a lot

506
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,440
of kids are picky. 
They're inherently picky. 

507
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,800
Plus you put them on chemo, it 
changes their taste buds 

508
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,000
completely. 
They just want either kids will 

509
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:43,240
either go to salt for sugar. 
Kicker hated sweet during chemo 

510
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,520
and during steroids. 
That's good. 

511
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:47,040
It was helpful. 
But like he wouldn't even want 

512
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,840
fruit sometimes, but he craved 
salt. 

513
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,240
OK, so you kind of have to mess 
with like what are they wanting?

514
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:54,640
How can we make a healthy 
version? 

515
00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:57,440
But the Plex seasoning's 
awesome. 

516
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,800
Going back to detox, what else 
did you do to support his detox 

517
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,760
pathways throughout the cancer 
journey? 

518
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,760
Because I know with kids it's 
like tricky. 

519
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,120
You don't want to do, you don't 
want to go overboard yet. 

520
00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:12,160
But I'm sure in Kicker's case, 
like you had to do a lot of 

521
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,680
different things. 
So what did that look like? 

522
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,800
Yeah, you're right. 
It is important to mention that 

523
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,880
like when somebody, whether it's
an adult or a child, but really 

524
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,040
a child when they're going 
through active treatment, I 

525
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,200
mean, you just the amount of 
toxins being put in their body 

526
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,840
all while helping, you know, we 
were just, even if I always tell

527
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,320
parents as a side note, like 
even if you are just so angry 

528
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,760
that they're having to get the 
toxins in their body, like you 

529
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,160
have to truly work on believing 
that it's playing a role, right?

530
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,160
Like just that power of belief. 
So while they're going through 

531
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,240
this and they're just getting 
filled with all the toxic 

532
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,920
chemicals, you have to be gentle
with how much you detox because 

533
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,320
to your point, it could either 
make them feel horrible and it 

534
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,960
can push out the medicine that 
we do need to play a role, 

535
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,480
right? 
And so it we do take a really 

536
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,560
gentle approach through active 
treatment. 

537
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,240
After treatment's over, a lot of
times people are like, we're 

538
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,160
done, we're moving back into 
normal life. 

539
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,080
And that's actually where 
healing has to go in like 10X. 

540
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,280
But during treatment, you know, 
a couple things we always say is

541
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,040
they have to have a bowel 
movement every day. 

542
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,680
It's so important because we 
know that's how toxins are 

543
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,360
pushed out. 
And so if a child isn't, that's 

544
00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:26,240
a sign their detox pathways 
aren't open. 

545
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,040
And so there's a lot of 
different remedies. 

546
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,360
One of them is we'll make sure 
that they're doing a Castor oil 

547
00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:34,640
pack over their belly using some
essential oils like fennel or 

548
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,240
licorice, like different 
essential oils that can actually

549
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,600
help the bowels move. 
Doing fermenting, try putting 

550
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:48,480
like spraying magnesium on. 
No, but some of my families are 

551
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:49,440
doing that now. 
Yeah. 

552
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:50,840
Has that worked for your kids at
all? 

553
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,480
If you've. 
I actually haven't tried it on 

554
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:53,320
my kids. 
I should. 

555
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,040
But one of my friends, So we 
have a product called cycle 

556
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,680
soothing Oil and it's like a 
magnesium spray with a blend of 

557
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,960
essential oils to support 
hormones to use, like to help 

558
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,920
with menstrual. 
Menstrual is this. 

559
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,680
New I did not know about it's. 
It's fairly new. 

560
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,200
Oh my gosh. 
It's like in the last year. 

561
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,920
OK, yeah. 
But it's it's amazing for 

562
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,960
supporting menstrual cramps. 
But I have a friend who like, 

563
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,760
struggles with Constipation and 
she told me that she uses it for

564
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,040
that. 
And so one time I tried it and 

565
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,040
it it works like a charm. 
Wow. 

566
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,160
Yeah. 
Oh, that makes sense. 

567
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,640
Yes, it totally makes sense. 
And that would be like, again, 

568
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,960
so gentle. 
We try to like, first do things 

569
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,600
like that topically before we 
try to force them to take 

570
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:32,720
another pill. 
Yeah. 

571
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,360
So magnesium is huge and 
actually chemotherapy severely 

572
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:42,080
depletes the body of magnesium. 
And I think the latest study I 

573
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,560
read was like 98% of Americans 
are actually already deficient 

574
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,240
in magnesium. 
Then you put them through 

575
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,600
something like chemotherapy and 
you every organ in your body is 

576
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,600
dependent on magnesium, every 
system. 

577
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,120
And so it would make sense that 
that would be one of the reasons

578
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:58,240
a lot of our kids have 
Constipation. 

579
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,840
So yeah, Magnes, anything 
topical fermented foods, we 

580
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,000
always say add a little bit of 
sauerkraut juice to maybe bone 

581
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,600
broth or if you can get it into 
a smoothie without it being like

582
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,160
really flavorful fermented 
foods. 

583
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:16,040
But trying to do whatever we can
to get the bowels moving and 

584
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,560
activated. 
And then we always make sure it 

585
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,080
like hydration. 
It's basic. 

586
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,760
But you see, I mean, you see it,
a lot of kids are just drinking 

587
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:28,080
fruit juice and pop and all of I
mean, they're not drinking water

588
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,200
with electrolytes. 
Yeah, even salt. 

589
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,880
You know, we just say put some 
real good quality salt in your 

590
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,280
water, your kids water, make 
sure they're hydrated. 

591
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:36,840
Do. 
You use Quinton at all? 

592
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,320
Yes, that was one of the 
supplements he was on. 

593
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,480
I mean, still our family takes 
it every day. 

594
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,440
Yeah, same. 
It's I love that. 

595
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:45,520
I love it. 
And you don't really need 

596
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,320
another electrolyte. 
Yeah, I think it's really good. 

597
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,640
And I think that is actually 
really helpful also for just 

598
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,880
regulating bowels hydration. 
And Quinton, for anyone who 

599
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,080
hasn't heard of it, it's a sea 
water. 

600
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,920
It's like a salt water solution,
but it's it's different than 

601
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,800
like regular salt water. 
Like how? 

602
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,040
Yeah, it's not the ocean. 
So it's from the plankton beds 

603
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,200
of the sea. 
It's of course purified, but it 

604
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,360
literally tastes like you're 
drinking. 

605
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,000
You just took a. 
Gulp of the ocean, but it mimics

606
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,040
your blood, so it's like so 
nourishing to every cell in your

607
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,880
body and just incredibly 
hydrating. 

608
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,520
You really feel a difference? 
After you do. 

609
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,360
Yeah. 
And you can tell, we always say 

610
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,440
if you're dehydrated, it won't 
taste like salt. 

611
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,800
Oh, I've never experienced that.
So if you ever are dehydrated 

612
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,560
and you take it and you're like,
wow, that didn't really taste 

613
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,080
like salt water. 
It just tasted like water. 

614
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,240
It means you're you're 
dehydrated. 

615
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,720
And I usually say take another 
one. 

616
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,440
Yeah. 
But that's huge. 

617
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,640
That's so helpful. 
Yeah. 

618
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,880
In fact, you can another way to 
detox. 

619
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:46,000
And this is a big part that with
kids it there's so many things. 

620
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,240
And by the way, everything that 
we're talking about kids that 

621
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,360
don't have cancer, like parents 
that are like, I want to do 

622
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,680
whatever I can to create an 
environment cancer can't survive

623
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,720
in in our family. 
All of these remedies are so 

624
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,040
safe for that. 
And one of our favorite detoxes,

625
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,480
which helps with cold and flu 
season is nebulizing. 

626
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,760
So you can nebulize the Quinton 
minerals, you can nebulize 

627
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,160
saline, you can nebulize redox 
molecules. 

628
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,200
Like a Sia is a company and just
letting them like that's when my

629
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,880
kids got to play a video game, 
they'd have their little 

630
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,240
Nintendo whatever and just 
nebulize for 30 minutes. 

631
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,520
And it's keeping your, your 
lungs are a detox organ, right? 

632
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:29,000
It's keeping your lungs clear. 
So pathogens, bacteria, it's a 

633
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,280
wonderful way to support detox 
and it's simple. 

634
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,800
Yeah, I think, I think I was 
actually communicating with you 

635
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,520
on this when we got a nebulizer.
I think like you would recommend

636
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,280
where to get it and and we did 
it for a little while. 

637
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,240
It's something I need to get 
back into it, but I feel like it

638
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:50,360
was so inconvenient because, and
maybe this isn't necessary, but 

639
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,720
I was cleaning it like after 
every session, like all the 

640
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,080
tubes and the mask and like then
I would let it sit on the 

641
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,600
counter to dry and it was just 
like, I feel like it was just 

642
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,440
constant like cleaning and 
drying and like the nebulizer 

643
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,320
was always there. 
And it was like, is that 

644
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,720
necessary? 
No, I wouldn't. 

645
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,960
I would say you could clean it 
like just the mask when you're 

646
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,520
moving it to the next kid. 
You don't need to clean out the 

647
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,040
tubes every time. 
Have their own mask. 

648
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,480
Then do you even? 
No. 

649
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,320
OK, I would say you know it. 
Was making it too complicated. 

650
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,840
You probably were. 
Yeah, I think you don't have in 

651
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,600
the tubing. 
I would just say making sure it 

652
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,960
doesn't get musty. 
Yeah, but no, I I mean, I rarely

653
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,880
clean it out. 
I just make sure it sits out, we

654
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,760
dump it out, I rinse out the 
little cup and then I'll rinse 

655
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,680
out the mask and that's really 
it. 

656
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,280
OK. 
So yeah, it doesn't need to be. 

657
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,040
You don't have to get that. 
Crazy about it. 

658
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,680
Yeah, and it's simple. 
And there's something about the 

659
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,880
noise, like some kids are super 
sensitive, so that's a little 

660
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,160
trickier, but it's kind of. 
Relaxing. 

661
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,280
Yeah, no, I would do. 
I would let my kids like watch 

662
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,160
TV while they did it, so they 
were excited because. 

663
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,080
Yeah, that's like they. 
Don't like to watch a ton of 

664
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,680
screen time? 
So the other detox modality we 

665
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,160
love for kids is jumping on 
trampoline. 

666
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,240
Yeah, You know, rebounding is 
the term that we use. 

667
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,720
But I always tell parents, don't
go out and buy a rebounder if 

668
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,600
you have a trampoline. 
Just get your kid or you. 

669
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,280
I can't jump on a trampoline. 
I can jump on a rebounder, but 

670
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,120
trampoline? 
I want to pee instantly. 

671
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:12,880
Yeah, 3 pounder. 
I'm fine. 

672
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,240
Every month. 
Every month, yes. 

673
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,880
I can't jump on a trampoline, 
but yeah, getting them jumping 

674
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,640
jump rope, jumping on a 
trampoline, it's stimulating 

675
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,960
their lymph, which is their 
blood detox system. 

676
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,920
These are all. 
Just things that I feel like you

677
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,880
can like find ways to make it 
fun for kids. 

678
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:32,400
Yes, all of it and and bribery. 
I'm not about bribery like 

679
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,000
bribe. 
Hey, if you do and what we what 

680
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,760
we teach families and again, for
not just cancer families, but 

681
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,680
almost having like AI was never 
the chore chart Mom, I wish I I 

682
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,880
always wanted to be. 
I think I bought them, never 

683
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,480
used them, but if you had just 
something that they could you 

684
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,400
give them a little autonomy. 
So here are the five things. 

685
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,760
Here's the nebulizer. 
Here's a Castor oil pack, a 

686
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,480
detox bath. 
Here's jumping on a trampoline 

687
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,520
and you know if you want to 
throw something else. 

688
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,400
And they're like sitting in a 
sauna if you have a sauna. 

689
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,960
And what would you do for kids? 
Like like 15 minutes. 

690
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,280
I always say low and slow. 
So I'd start like 10 minutes 

691
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,120
lower temp depending on your 
sauna. 

692
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,360
And after about 30 minutes, if 
they're not sweating, I'd pull 

693
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,640
them out and it means their 
detox system isn't probably 

694
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,560
working well. 
So go back to hydration, bowel 

695
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,880
movements and then kind of 
making sure they're you're 

696
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,880
slowly working them up to being 
able to get back in and start 

697
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,920
sweating. 
But if you give your kids like 5

698
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,120
choices and they have it like 
OK, every day you guys get to 

699
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,560
choose one thing you get to do 
and they choose what they do. 

700
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,200
I mean, imagine how much 
healthier kids would be. 

701
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:39,920
Totally. 
I reward my kids for doing that 

702
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,640
kind of stuff. 
And I've never been a chore 

703
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,680
chart person either. 
But my daughter, my oldest 

704
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,280
actually, like, wanted a chore 
chart. 

705
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,960
So I was like, OK, like, she's a
checklist girl. 

706
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,960
Like a chore chart. 
Like just, yeah, write it. 

707
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,080
Like, write it down, whatever 
you think it should look like. 

708
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:58,400
And so she like proposed like 
these different chores and what 

709
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,120
she thought she should be paid 
for each one. 

710
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,440
Oh my gosh. 
It was actually pretty 

711
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,280
reasonable. 
But it was so funny because she 

712
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,080
included standard things like 
making the bed, unloading the 

713
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,159
dishwasher. 
And then one category was it was

714
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:10,880
biohacking. 
Like she actually wrote 

715
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,639
biohacking. 
And it was like. 

716
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:16,600
Sauna, hyperbaric chamber, going
for a walk. 

717
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,920
And I was like, I mean, wow, 
like we can do this. 

718
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,520
And now she like, and I'd pay 
her for these things. 

719
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,440
Not I mean, it's very little, 
but it's still enough to like, 

720
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,120
motivate her to do them. 
So I'm like, yeah. 

721
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,280
Sure. 
Let's and building the habits 

722
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,520
like you're building these 
habits in her. 

723
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,239
And yeah, there is something too
about like giving our kids kind 

724
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,080
of that autonomy, but they're 
developing habits that they 

725
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,360
won't let go of. 
Yeah. 

726
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,560
You know, I always say, I'm sure
when my kids move out, they'll 

727
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,000
kind of stray into some things 
like, oh, I'm going to go to in 

728
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,880
and out a little bit more often 
or I don't know, something like 

729
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,320
that. 
And but they know how good they 

730
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,480
feel when they when they don't, 
right. 

731
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,920
So just building that that 
foundation is huge. 

732
00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,320
Yeah. 
So kicker is now he's 14, so he 

733
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,120
has been doing great and he's 
super healthy now. 

734
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,840
What did like? 
What did the rest of? 

735
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,320
The cancer journey look like for
you guys. 

736
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,480
So he was diagnosed December 
4th, 2013, and at that point in 

737
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,840
time, boys that were diagnosed 
with leukemia had to go through 

738
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,840
3 1/2 years of treatment, so 3 
1/2 years of daily chemo. 

739
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,560
Now they've changed it and 
they've cut a year off, which 

740
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,480
I'm like, OK, awesome. 
So it's just the standard amount

741
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,560
of time regardless of like when 
the cancer is gone or anything. 

742
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,800
Yep. 
And here's the worst part you So

743
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,720
the first six months of 
treatment are kind of the 

744
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:42,040
induction phase where it's 
really harsh, It's heavy amounts

745
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,800
of chemo and it's just really 
like touch and go for most kids.

746
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,160
Again, Kicker just did so well 
after those first six months. 

747
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,560
Then they go into what we call 
maintenance. 

748
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,440
But here's what's so bizarre, 
and I don't know actually, if 

749
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,760
they're actively doing the same 
system now, they literally put 

750
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,080
his number, not his name, but 
his number that he's recognized 

751
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,040
by the children's Oncology group
basically in a hat, for lack of 

752
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,040
a better example. 
And as you walk into 

753
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,200
maintenance, they you basically 
just draw a number. 

754
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:17,520
And if he the number you draw 
will determine whether he gets a

755
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:22,920
spinal injection of chemo and, 
and into his port every month or

756
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,680
every three months. 
So it has nothing to do with his

757
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,960
numbers, with his immune system,
with his genetics. 

758
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:32,280
Nothing. 
Luck of the draw. 

759
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:34,720
It is luck of the draw. 
And I have a picture still of 

760
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:37,320
him. 
We were in that room like just 

761
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,760
covering him in prayer, covering
the room in prayer, like God, 

762
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,120
please give us the least 
aggressive. 

763
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,880
And I have this sweet picture of
him just like praying. 

764
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,120
And we did. 
We got the least aggressive. 

765
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,920
So it was every three months 
we'd do that. 

766
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:54,120
We had to do chemo every day by 
mouth, but the port and spine 

767
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,720
was every three months. 
And so that was just the restive

768
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,440
treatment for 3 1/2 years and 
then you're done. 

769
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,440
And this is kind of the, the sad
part again about this journey is

770
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,920
you're done. 
They ring the bell, they take 

771
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,320
their port out, that's where 
they put the chemo through. 

772
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,280
And they kind of just send you 
on your way. 

773
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,960
And they say come back and do 
labs every six months. 

774
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,480
But there's no direction on, OK,
hey, now we really need to focus

775
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,800
on creating an environment 
cancer can't come back in. 

776
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,440
The number one side effect of 
most chemotherapies is secondary

777
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,920
cancer. 
And like you said in the very 

778
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,560
beginning, he didn't get cancer 
because he needed chemo, he got 

779
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:37,240
cancer because something in his 
terrain broke or was needed 

780
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:40,240
support. 
Looking back, is there anything 

781
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:44,200
that you can think of of like 
that's what it could have been 

782
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,320
or I mean, because I know you 
guys raised him so well and you 

783
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,920
guys were already so into health
and and ancestral living, Like 

784
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,760
what is there anything that you 
attribute it to now? 

785
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,640
Yeah. 
There's a few things and you 

786
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,400
know, I always tell parents 
like, it's such a delicate 

787
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,280
journey because as a mom, when 
your kid, even when your kids 

788
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,080
homesick from school, you feel 
guilty and you're like, all you 

789
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,840
want to do is make them better. 
When your kid gets diagnosed 

790
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,480
with cancer, it is this like 
intense, heavy guilt. 

791
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,240
What especially when they're 
that little, like, what did I do

792
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:19,000
wrong? 
And you take that responsibility

793
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,040
so heavily on your shoulders. 
And so I'm always so gentle when

794
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,280
I talk about like thinking back 
to what were some of the things 

795
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,800
that contributed, while we may 
never know the one thing, 

796
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,560
because I don't think there was 
one thing, knowledge is power. 

797
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,440
And so while I could say for our
situation, a couple of things, 

798
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,000
now that I know his genetics, we
did a three by four. 

799
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,600
And we do this with all our 
families that we work with. 

800
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,280
We have them do a 3 by 4 genetic
profile to know their 

801
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,960
epigenetics to see if they have 
any methylation pathways broken 

802
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,880
or genetic snips that are 
something's not working right. 

803
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,160
So looking now at his genetics, 
there was a few things that 

804
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,640
played into it. 
I believe I had to have an 

805
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,480
emergency appendectomy when I 
was 14 weeks pregnant with him. 

806
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,120
So I went under anesthesia. 
I'm sure they gave me 

807
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,200
antibiotics and we, they said 
you don't have a choice. 

808
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,520
You either lose the baby or you 
could die. 

809
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:13,320
We have to do this. 
So that was I think Trigger 1 #2

810
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:18,680
I had AC section, another bout 
of anesthesia, antibiotics. 

811
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,080
When he was conceived, we were 
living, my husband was a 

812
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,040
California Patrol, Highway 
Patrol officer. 

813
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,400
We were living in Marina del Rey
and these apartment buildings 

814
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:33,000
that had like 100 Wi-Fi signals 
and then moved to Irvine when he

815
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,560
was born. 
And I'd lived in another high 

816
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,880
rise apartment building. 
And I remember like pulling up, 

817
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,800
this is when Wi-Fi was still 
kind of like, you know, not new,

818
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,400
but I remember pulling up my 
phone or my computer and being 

819
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,680
like, wow, there's like 30, wow,
Wi-Fi networks. 

820
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,560
And we know there's a direct 
correlation with leukemia and 

821
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,080
electromagnetic frequencies and 
radio frequencies. 

822
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,720
And then the final thing is 
leukemia has an inherent emotion

823
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,200
connected to it of not feeling 
worthy. 

824
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,960
And while he was 2, I don't 
think that was him. 

825
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,320
I think it could have been an 
inherited emotion, whether it 

826
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,640
was from myself, my husband, 
generationally, it could have 

827
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,920
been great grandma. 
And that's where emotions come 

828
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,680
in and like just really working 
through unhealed traumas, 

829
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,080
unhealed emotions, because our 
kids can receive those too if 

830
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,440
they're not healed at the core 
and doing work like we 

831
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,720
recommend. 
It's something. 

832
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,760
Have you heard of a motion code?
Yes. 

833
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:34,560
OK, so it's so simple. 
Get the book on Amazon. 

834
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,920
It teaches you how to do it. 
You can find a practitioner to 

835
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,480
do it that. 
I would say those were kind of 

836
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,720
the main factors that I believe 
played into it. 

837
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:47,120
Yeah, so interesting. 
And what surprised you and 

838
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,400
shocked you the most about the 
conventional oncology world when

839
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,480
you guys were were in that? 
I mean, you've mentioned a few 

840
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,200
things already, but I know 
there's even more I think. 

841
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,320
Yeah. 
So when we first were diagnosed,

842
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,200
and we were diagnosed at Loma 
Linda, you know, at this point 

843
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,080
I'm still a little naive. 
And I kind of thought that there

844
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,800
would be a different protocol 
based on the doctor or the 

845
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,360
hospital. 
And I had a boss who was very 

846
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,760
well recognized in the 
entertainment industry. 

847
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,480
And I had reached out to him and
I said, do you have any 

848
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,960
connections to the Children's 
Hospital Los Angeles Oncology 

849
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,600
team? 
Because he was a big donor. 

850
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,800
He said, yeah, let me actually 
get you a meeting with the head 

851
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,360
of pediatric oncology, the head 
Dr. So my husband and I went 

852
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,560
there. 
We had so much hope and so much 

853
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,120
expectation thinking like, OK, 
we've heard this protocol from 

854
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,040
Loma Linda and now we're going 
to see HLA. 

855
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,800
We're being with the head guy. 
He's probably going to give us 

856
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,360
this customized protocol for 
kicker. 

857
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,200
We sit down in his office and 
you know, it's covered with all 

858
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,760
these celebrities and all his 
awards. 

859
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,400
And he's, he said, how can I 
help you? 

860
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,120
And I said, well, this is the 
situation, my son, this is what 

861
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,400
we're doing. 
I would like to know how would 

862
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:55,760
you customize a protocol for 
him? 

863
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,120
And I said my, my biggest 
concern is there's no attention 

864
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,600
to nutrition through this. 
And he laughed. 

865
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,480
He literally laughed. 
Not just a chuckle. 

866
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,680
He started laughing. 
And he said, oh, my gosh, do not

867
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,560
pay attention to nutrition. 
We just want him to eat. 

868
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,440
If he eats cake and French 
fries, that is OK. 

869
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,000
Mom. 
My husband grabs my hand because

870
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,520
I think he was like, oh, she's 
going to lose it on this dude. 

871
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,440
Like, she's going to fly across 
the table. 

872
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:21,880
Yeah. 
He, like, grabbed my hand 

873
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,560
underneath the desk. 
Like, just chill. 

874
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,440
Like, it's OK. 
And I was, I was livid. 

875
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,200
And I think it was that moment 
that I also realized, like, OK, 

876
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,760
A, we're trapped. 
But B, this is what they're 

877
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,800
telling everybody. 
And I'm educated. 

878
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,400
But what about mom here and a 
mom here who has no idea? 

879
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:40,600
They're just trusting the 
doctor. 

880
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,840
So they're truly feeding their 
kids chocolate cake and French 

881
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,480
fries. 
Because they won't. 

882
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:46,720
Just calories. 
Just calories. 

883
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,720
Wow, seed oils and sugar. 
And I mean. 

884
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,840
And that's what they feed them 
in the hospitals. 

885
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,600
Too yes, it's horrible and they 
most hospital floors have a 

886
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,520
candy cart and they have a 
volunteer who's a sweet person 

887
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,720
that just loves to serve these 
kids and they push around and 

888
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:04,520
the kid gets to pick all the 
candy they want. 

889
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,840
So it's I mean, those are the 
things that we're probably just 

890
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,080
the most horrifying and 
surprising. 

891
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,360
Is that still happening now? 
It's still happening. 

892
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,200
Wow. 
In fact, I have some 

893
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,080
oncologists. 
I had one that was so angry with

894
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,760
me. 
And then I think I think that 

895
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,600
now it's OK. 
But he sent me an e-mail and 

896
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:29,960
said my patient was told that 
she only can eat organic meat. 

897
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,480
And so she won't eat when she's 
in the hospital. 

898
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,520
I'm like, her mom's bringing her
food, right? 

899
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,160
And, you know, I never heard a 
response. 

900
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,120
But no, they're, it's, they're 
not. 

901
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,320
I mean, you know, this 
oncologist doctors are given 

902
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,800
nutrition as an elective. 
And we found out now pediatric 

903
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,200
oncologists are no longer going 
to be able to be required to do 

904
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,080
any nutrition. 
Well, I would imagine there's 

905
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,320
like more and more pushback on 
that now. 

906
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,800
I hope, Oh my, I, I mean, even 
with just the new administration

907
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,840
in the health movement, I'm 
praying like I need. 

908
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,560
I told my husband I need to get 
connected to the right people to

909
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,160
know this is a problem. 
And I think pediatric cancer is 

910
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:13,840
still so rare in their eyes. 
There's 400,000 kids every year 

911
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,360
that get cancer. 
That's new cases. 

912
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,920
So it's not small, but it's 
still not really a priority. 

913
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,760
And I just think it's still 
foreign, right? 

914
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,480
Like people just don't realize 
how many kids are getting cancer

915
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,560
and it's one of. 
The top killers of of children, 

916
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:28,960
right? 
Yeah. 

917
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,800
It is. 
And with the funding, which is 

918
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,960
this isn't the funding we want, 
but global funding for cancer, 

919
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,560
4% goes to kids, 96% goes to 
adults. 

920
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:43,760
So there's so many broken 
pieces. 

921
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:48,200
And so yeah, my hope is that I 
can have a voice with with that 

922
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,720
movement specifically for 
Pediatrics. 

923
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,240
For anyone listening Who? 
May have a child that was just 

924
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:57,240
diagnosed with cancer or maybe 
they were just diagnosed with 

925
00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:58,800
cancer. 
What would your first 

926
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,560
recommendation be on where to 
begin? 

927
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,320
The first thing I would say is 
to take a pause. 

928
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:08,840
They throw you into treatment 
and very rarely, I won't say 

929
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,680
never, but very rarely is it an 
emergency. 

930
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,040
There are cases, of course, 
where it is an emergent 

931
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,480
situation and and you need to 
have intervention right away. 

932
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,760
But more often not, more often 
than not, that's not the case 

933
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,000
because I've heard of so many 
stories where like, I think 

934
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,040
mostly with adults, where 
they're diagnosed and then they 

935
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,920
rush them into surgery like the 
following day. 

936
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,600
And they are misdiagnosed. 
There's so many times that a 

937
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,520
certain leukemia is, is actually
diagnosis the wrong type of 

938
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,840
leukemia and the treatment is 
totally different. 

939
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,400
Yeah. 
And so it is some like, there's 

940
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,560
so many reasons to pause. 
Number one, to just recognize 

941
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,840
like this is heartbreaking. 
Like there's so much grief that 

942
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,920
comes with this and it's OK to 
sit in that and like, like 

943
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,120
surrender it, right. 
And just be OK sitting in that 

944
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,880
and recognizing the the trauma 
that just happened. 

945
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,560
Sometimes we react out of trauma
and we're just so quick to move,

946
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,520
but that's number one. 
It's scary. 

947
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:08,040
It's. 
Scary. 

948
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,080
So you just want to, like, do 
something about it and fix it. 

949
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:12,560
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

950
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,640
And you're trusting like, you 
know, trusting the experts, 

951
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,120
trusting the doctor, thinking 
that they know it's best when 

952
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,240
that isn't necessarily always 
the case. 

953
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,640
It isn't. 
And when we realize that cancer 

954
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,320
doesn't happen overnight, I 
mean, we, there are more and 

955
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,240
more studies that prove that 
cancer has been growing for 

956
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:32,640
years. 
And in the case of my son, it 

957
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,080
could have been growing in 
utero, right? 

958
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,520
Like we are creating cancer 
cells in our body every single 

959
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,680
day with, with our immune system
being turned on and healthy and 

960
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,480
teaching our kids to do those 
detox methods we talked about 

961
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,560
and giving them healthy foods is
giving them the opportunity for 

962
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,760
their immune system to shut the 
cancer cell off, right? 

963
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,360
So we're creating these cells 
all day. 

964
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,840
It's when our immune system 
isn't being supported that it 

965
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,840
can turn into a cancer in 
process. 

966
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:02,640
So cancer takes a while to start
and so that's why we don't have 

967
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,240
to make a decision overnight. 
And and so I would say in that 

968
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:11,720
pause, grieving, taking a 
moment, getting a support around

969
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:13,960
you. 
Like you need a team. 

970
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,280
Michael Jordan was really great 
because he had a really great 

971
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,880
team, but he also had Phil 
Jackson as his like coach, 

972
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,680
right? 
So we always say like, you need 

973
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,800
to not be the Michael Jordan, 
you need to Phil Jackson, you 

974
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,480
need somebody that comes in, 
He's like, OK, here's I'm going 

975
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,360
to help walk you through this 
like a doula. 

976
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,840
When you go in for a birth, like
finding a team of and maybe it's

977
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,080
your chiropractor that you trust
that you love, that is has more 

978
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,720
of a functional approach that 
can kind of be that other, that 

979
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:47,080
other ear or offer advice 
outside of the conventional 

980
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,200
space. 
And then getting a second and 

981
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,200
third opinion. 
And our experience, of course, 

982
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,200
we went and tried to get a 
second or third opinion, but 

983
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:57,400
didn't realize that the 
protocols all the same. 

984
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,120
But getting a second opinion on 
the diagnosis is not a bad idea.

985
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,360
Or having the, the results being
shared with another physician 

986
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,360
doesn't mean you need to go 
through the biopsy again, but 

987
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,400
share those results with 
somebody else you trust or that 

988
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,760
comes recommended. 
So that'll be the first thing. 

989
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,320
And like I said, just finding 
your team, like who do you want 

990
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,680
to come alongside you to walk 
through this alongside your 

991
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,040
oncologist? 
Because your oncologist knows 

992
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:26,320
the somatic theory of cancer, 
which is just genetic, nothing 

993
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,920
about environment, nothing about
the metabolic approach, the 

994
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,640
terrain, recognizing that cancer
isn't a deficiency in chemo. 

995
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,120
And so you need to find somebody
that can come alongside you that

996
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:37,640
knows nutrition does play a 
role. 

997
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:44,560
Detox is important and I would 
say if you are married and your 

998
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:49,360
child has cancer, like remember 
that you and your spouse are on 

999
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,240
a team and prioritize that 
sacred relationship. 

1000
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:56,440
Because while there's going to 
be highs and lows and like my 

1001
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,160
husband grieved differently than
I did and I wanted him to grieve

1002
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,880
like I did, you know, there's so
much happening in emotion. 

1003
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,880
And what we've realized is God 
can use the heartache and the 

1004
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,160
pain for such a powerful 
purpose. 

1005
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,160
And I think a big part of that 
is through your marriage, like 

1006
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,760
through the the power of being 
united. 

1007
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:19,560
You don't have to agree on 
everything through the process, 

1008
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,400
but just remembering you're on 
the same team and your goal is 

1009
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,440
to help your child heal. 
But staying committed to that 

1010
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,240
date nights things that will 
continue to lift that marriage 

1011
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,880
up like. 
Yeah, not not neglecting that in

1012
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,720
the process, no, because it's 
like the last thing that is on 

1013
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:34,880
your mind. 
But yeah, probably so important 

1014
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,080
to prioritize still because. 
You don't want to leave your kid

1015
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,080
when they're sick, but your 
child's going to heal in a home 

1016
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,280
that feels healthy and that 
comes from a marriage that's 

1017
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,560
really healthy. 
You know, that sets the tone of 

1018
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,600
a home. 
Like before you have somebody 

1019
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,440
come in and fix the EMF and the 
RF and the mold and all of that.

1020
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,520
I'm always like, that's so 
important and that's a big 

1021
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,600
thing. 
But like, how is how is your 

1022
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,600
marriage? 
And I'm not saying to, you know,

1023
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,800
go to a marriage retreat in the 
middle of this, but really just 

1024
00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:03,920
being united and like this, we 
have a, we have a team effort 

1025
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,640
here. 
We need to heal our kid and 

1026
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,640
create a space that's 
comfortable for them to heal in.

1027
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,880
It's good. 
One thing I love about you is 

1028
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,080
how comprehensive you are in 
your approach to health and 

1029
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,360
Wellness. 
Like it's not just food with 

1030
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,960
you, It's not just, it's not 
just lifestyle, it's not just 

1031
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,680
EMF. 
Like you really factor 

1032
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,800
everything in and you walk the 
walk in your life and in your 

1033
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,000
family's life. 
Still, I would love for you to 

1034
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,560
just walk us through like your 
daily routine, like every 

1035
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,360
detail, what you do in the 
morning, what you do, you know, 

1036
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,200
midday or to wind down at night.
I just want, I want to see the 

1037
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,720
picture of like a day in the 
life of season. 

1038
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,560
I love that. 
Yes, it's like my and I am so 

1039
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,560
routine, by the way. 
So I will preface this by it 

1040
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,920
took me just to kind of get to 
the point where I have this much

1041
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,800
of A routine. 
And so if you're a mom and your 

1042
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,160
kids are little and you're like 
sleep deprived, don't like try 

1043
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,240
to my, my current is not your 
starting point, right. 

1044
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,880
My son actually now for my 14 
year old kicker is like part He 

1045
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,760
does some of this routine as 
well, But I'll tell you what I 

1046
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,160
do. 
So I get up usually around 5:30.

1047
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:10,120
The first thing I do is go down 
and take my Quinton minerals and

1048
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,200
right now we're on a kind of 
parasite molt detox. 

1049
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,320
So I'm taking some of those 
supplements and then I do my 

1050
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,280
coffee enema and while I'm doing
my. 

1051
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,040
Coffee doing that for a long 
time, right? 

1052
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,800
Every morning almost I mean like
I'm traveling right now so I'm 

1053
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,360
not doing them but at home yeah 
I would say at least 5 mornings 

1054
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,720
a week, if not all I just I mean
I it's a great nobody bothers 

1055
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,320
you when you do it like my. 
Husband wants to start. 

1056
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,720
Doing them because he's like, 
nobody's going to bother me if I

1057
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:38,280
can lock the door. 
And yeah. 

1058
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,920
So yeah, I've been doing this 
for a while, but I do my coffee 

1059
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,920
and then while I'm doing that, 
I'm using my red light just to 

1060
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,400
help stimulate the mitochondria 
and anti aging benefits. 

1061
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,080
And then I go downstairs and I 
do my Bible reading. 

1062
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,640
I just sit at the table and go 
through, oh, actually what I've 

1063
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,280
been doing lately is I've never 
done this before. 

1064
00:51:58,280 --> 00:51:59,360
We always lived in the 
mountains. 

1065
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,840
And so in the winter it just 
wasn't comfortable. 

1066
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,160
But I when I'm reading my Bible,
I'm standing outside in the 

1067
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,640
grass and grounding, just kind 
of connecting my feet to the 

1068
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,560
grass, do my Bible study and 
then I go for it. 

1069
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:12,640
Depends on how I'm feeling that 
morning. 

1070
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,560
I'll go for a walk then. 
We live by the beach right now, 

1071
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,520
so that's really enjoyable. 
I just do like a 20 minute walk 

1072
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,080
and come back and then work out.
Or I'll work out then do my 

1073
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:22,320
walk. 
If I'm not in the mood to work 

1074
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:23,760
out, I'll just do a walk. 
What do you do to? 

1075
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,960
Work out. 
I actually I have like a fear of

1076
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,040
gyms. 
So like I don't I would walk 

1077
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,400
into gym and be like I don't 
know what to do. 

1078
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,680
Why is somebody around here so 
much equipment? 

1079
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,640
So much equipment. 
I make ugly workout faces. 

1080
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,160
I'm not like the cute Instagram.
I'm like, who is this? 

1081
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,240
She really working out? 
She looks so cute. 

1082
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,840
I just do weights and like, I 
have an app. 

1083
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,400
I've used the Peloton app, 
actually. 

1084
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:49,720
Their weight classes are 
awesome. 

1085
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,280
Really. 
Yeah, they're like 20-30 

1086
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,040
minutes. 
So I just use an an app that I'm

1087
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,160
loving and I do weights. 
I usually work out for about 

1088
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:01,360
20-30 minutes. 
I'll rebound as part of that and

1089
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:06,040
then I don't eat. 
I've been intermittent fasting 

1090
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,320
for years. 
What's interesting is as I'm 

1091
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,000
getting older, I'm 43, I'm 
starting to kind of change it up

1092
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,080
a little bit, just, you know, to
see how my body responds to 

1093
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:16,640
doing a little bit of food 
before my workout. 

1094
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,840
I'll keep you posted because I 
just started that but I usually 

1095
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,640
don't eat till noon but I'm 
drinking tons of water quick. 

1096
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,320
Question on that, what are your 
thoughts on fasting for cancer? 

1097
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,600
It is one of the most powerful 
things you can do. 

1098
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,560
In fact, it's, I mean, it's 
free. 

1099
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,120
It's nature's operating table 
with kids, it's tricky. 

1100
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,640
You don't want to force them 
right to fat. 

1101
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,840
They're so uncomfortable 
already, but forcing them to 

1102
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,760
fast. 
But if they're old enough to 

1103
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,000
understand the benefit and 
they're willing to like 

1104
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,440
communicate with you about it, 
Oh my gosh, fasting around 

1105
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,800
chemotherapy is phenomenal. 
Doing prolonged fasts if you're 

1106
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,160
monitored by a practitioner, 
incredible. 

1107
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,720
Oh I like if everybody could do 
along fast while going through 

1108
00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:01,640
treatment, it would be amazing. 
And good for prevention too, 

1109
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,080
right? 
Yes, yeah. 

1110
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,240
Josh and I started doing a 24 
hour fast almost every week. 

1111
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:09,960
If I'm on my cycle, I won't. 
So it's about 3 Mondays a month,

1112
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,200
we'll do a 24 hour fast. 
I did a three day water fast 

1113
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,880
last month and it was actually 
way easier than I thought it. 

1114
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,320
I mean, it was not fun, it is 
fine. 

1115
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,160
Yeah, I know. 
I think that's what a lot of 

1116
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,680
people like. 
It sounds intimidating to a lot 

1117
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,080
of people, and I'm a fan of 
fasting as well. 

1118
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,720
Yeah, I haven't done much of it 
in a while. 

1119
00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:30,880
I just kind of like now I take a
really intuitive approach and 

1120
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,280
kind of just go off of what I 
feel like my body needs at the 

1121
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,280
time. 
But I've done up to six days and

1122
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,680
I felt the first few days are 
pretty hard for me. 

1123
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,640
But then you just get this, 
like, amazing mental clarity. 

1124
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,960
Yeah. 
And you just feel so good. 

1125
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,640
Food doesn't even, like, sound 
that appealing anymore. 

1126
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:53,200
And it it's just the best reset.
When you did six days, did you 

1127
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,200
do any coffee? 
Yeah, I did. 

1128
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,480
You did OK. 
I was doing. 

1129
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,360
Coffee, tea, water. 
OK, yeah, I the three days, I 

1130
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,000
feel like the first day was the 
hardest. 

1131
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,800
Second day was not great. 
By the third day, I kind of 

1132
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:08,280
toyed around with the idea of 
should I do this one more day? 

1133
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:09,800
Yeah, my husband. 
I just felt like day. 

1134
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,520
Four day four and. 
Five were like, he's the best, 

1135
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,560
yeah. 
And then six, I started to feel 

1136
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,960
like a little bit weak. 
So I was going to go 7 when I 

1137
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,400
did this and I just, I was 
feeling like like I was just, it

1138
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,160
was time for like dude again. 
What did you introduce back in 

1139
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,600
First I? 
Think bone broth. 

1140
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,560
Yeah, the first thing this was a
couple years ago, bone broth. 

1141
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,760
And I know people say like not 
to go all in with like steak or 

1142
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,560
protein, but I think I did. 
I just like once I once you 

1143
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,160
start eating like the hunger 
kicks in. 

1144
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,800
And but it was, I felt fine with
that. 

1145
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,000
Yeah, I think that's what I did 
on the three day. 

1146
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:50,240
I did broth and then I had eggs.
Yeah, my husband just finished 

1147
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:53,160
he's not traveling with me right
now, but he just said he was on 

1148
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,920
a he was 3 1/2 days. 
I didn't even know he was 

1149
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,400
fasting and he's like, I don't 
think I'm going to eat still. 

1150
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,280
I I feel great. 
Yeah. 

1151
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:05,080
It is so powerful, like the the 
I always tell, like I try to 

1152
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,760
speak in kid language, but you 
think of all the bad guys being 

1153
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:10,600
eaten up by the good guys when 
you're fasting. 

1154
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,520
That's how I tell my kids, like 
about supplements or whatever, 

1155
00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:16,840
like little Pac-Man going up and
they're destroying all the gunk.

1156
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,040
Yeah. 
And getting it out because they 

1157
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:19,680
don't have to do anything else. 
Yeah. 

1158
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,760
It's so powerful. 
And you're not, you're not 

1159
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,640
digesting, You're not having to,
you know, your body can just get

1160
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,720
rid and, like detox without you 
taking anything. 

1161
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:30,800
It's so powerful. 
I love fasting. 

1162
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,720
The. 
Physician within, I think 1. 

1163
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,440
Of the philosophers from back in
the day, yes. 

1164
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,120
Hippocrates. 
Yes, it might have been 

1165
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,920
Hippocrates. 
Yeah, it's powerful. 

1166
00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:41,040
Yeah. 
I love fasting. 

1167
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,600
OK, so back to your day. 
So at 12:00, typically when you 

1168
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,280
have your your first meal, and I
usually takes if I'm like, I was

1169
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,440
on a berberine kick for a little
bit and I would take berberine 

1170
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,680
supplement before my first meal 
and that helps to regulate blood

1171
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:55,520
sugar. 
Yeah. 

1172
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,800
So you don't have that even 
though I'm not eating sugar with

1173
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,520
my breakfast, it just helps kind
of that metabolism and 

1174
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,840
processing of the nutrients and 
not having any type of spikes. 

1175
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,440
I've heard that referred to as 
Nature's Ozempic. 

1176
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,160
Yes, and it's it has anti cancer
properties. 

1177
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:15,440
Berberine is actually 
antifungal, antiviral, has anti 

1178
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,000
cancer properties. 
It's a really cool herb. 

1179
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,200
I haven't tried it. 
Yeah, now I want to. 

1180
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,160
I think it's great. 
I think everybody should do it 

1181
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,000
for a period of time. 
If people have really low blood 

1182
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,240
sugar, then you, you want to be 
careful because it could 

1183
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:31,320
actually just keep you too low. 
But if you have mostly regulated

1184
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,080
or high, yes, it's amazing. 
So I'll take berberine if I'm on

1185
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,120
a berberine kick. 
And then I eat and I usually 

1186
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,920
eat, I'm so routine. 
I eat three eggs cooked in 

1187
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,560
butter and I top it with the 
pluck seasoning. 

1188
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:48,240
And if I've had, I make these 
delicious ground chicken 

1189
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,240
sausages with just Maple syrup 
and onion and garlic and they're

1190
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:52,760
really yummy. 
So if I have those made, I'll 

1191
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,200
have those avocado. 
If I have my sourdough, I'll do 

1192
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,400
avocado and sourdough 
microgreens. 

1193
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:03,400
My kids eat the same thing and 
then I have my coffee, which my 

1194
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:08,640
new favorite thing, Oh my gosh, 
is and I have coffee after I 

1195
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:10,760
eat. 
But I do think people are like, 

1196
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,800
how do you wait that long? 
I think a coffee enema might 

1197
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,080
help. 
Yeah. 

1198
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,640
Because I don't get headaches. 
Even when I fasted. 

1199
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,120
For those three days I didn't do
coffee. 

1200
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:19,800
I did my coffee enemas and I was
fine. 

1201
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,960
I feel like it. 
Energizes you still, but in like

1202
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,480
a little bit of a different way.
Yeah. 

1203
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,400
It's like more subtle, much more
subtle. 

1204
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,760
You don't get like feel a buzz 
or anything, but I make my 

1205
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:34,640
coffee and I add a homemade 
marshmallow to it and it's so 

1206
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,040
good. 
I was on a kick with that 

1207
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,440
recently. 
It's hard to get off that kick 

1208
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,560
like no coffee tastes is good 
like what it's like without. 

1209
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,160
It I don't know why more people 
don't do. 

1210
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:44,840
That I know. 
And then you just blend it in. 

1211
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,840
Oh, it's so good. 
And then I jump into my work day

1212
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:53,080
and I, I work and we usually go 
on my husband and I, or if he's 

1213
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:57,400
not around or he's busy, I'll do
an evening walk and then we have

1214
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,880
dinner. 
And our dinners are pretty 

1215
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:03,520
living in Mexico. 
It's, we've kind of sourced 

1216
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:07,560
healthy foods, but it's limited.
So we have like an organic 

1217
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,320
ranch. 
We get food from some produce, 

1218
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:13,920
but it's just not quite as 
diverse as being here. 

1219
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,640
You know we. 
Don't have all the same options 

1220
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,280
right? 
I feel like I wouldn't mind that

1221
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:18,800
I can eat the same thing over 
and over. 

1222
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,360
Yeah, it doesn't bother me. 
Yeah, I do like getting. 

1223
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,000
I have seasons of wanting to be 
creative in the kitchen and you 

1224
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,320
don't really get that there 
because you're there's, it's 

1225
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,920
always the same season. 
It's always hot, you know, But 

1226
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,280
yeah, then we eat dinner as a 
family. 

1227
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,080
Usually my kids are getting 
older, so it's, you're starting 

1228
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,920
to see that kind of, they're 
doing their things at different 

1229
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:43,120
times. 
I'm in bed by my favorite day is

1230
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,960
being in bed by 9. 
And I usually I have a journal 

1231
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:50,480
next to my bed and I'll write 
out the for the next day, the 

1232
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,520
three things I want to 
accomplish the next day, and 

1233
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,800
then the three things that I'm 
proud of that day. 

1234
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,000
And it's just helpful. 
Like it's helpful for as an 

1235
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,360
entrepreneur and being in 
service all of the time of like 

1236
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,720
recognizing where I was happy I 
showed up and what I need to do 

1237
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,560
the next day. 
And yeah. 

1238
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:09,320
That's kind of a day in the 
life. 

1239
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:10,240
Yeah. 
I love. 

1240
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,440
I mean, minus, you know, yelling
at the kids here and. 

1241
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,560
Yeah. 
All those little things, yeah. 

1242
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,960
What are all of the things that 
you are are doing now? 

1243
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,520
Tell our audience about the 
programs that you have and just 

1244
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:25,360
everything that you do to 
support families that are 

1245
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,440
walking through cancer and just 
just people in general. 

1246
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,360
Yeah, so I have. 
We have a nonprofit that we 

1247
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,720
founded actually back in 2014 
right after Kicker was diagnosed

1248
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:39,160
called Kick Cancer. 
And through our nonprofit, we 

1249
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,360
send out kits which you guys 
donate so generously and have 

1250
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,280
since we started, which is 
amazing. 

1251
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:46,720
These kits are we call the 
Kickstart kit. 

1252
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,160
So the family when their child's
diagnosed, they receive it for 

1253
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,200
free. 
And it has like the things that 

1254
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,920
we really want them to kickstart
their health journey and to 

1255
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,320
recognize like please use clean 
deodorant. 

1256
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,520
And so we include the primarily 
pure deodorant, use Castor oil. 

1257
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,760
So we put Castor oil in there, 
detox bath supplies in there. 

1258
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,080
We have some supplements in 
there. 

1259
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,000
Just Thrive, the probiotic 
company is donating now some 

1260
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:15,560
supplements, some healthy nut 
butter packets, organic snacks. 

1261
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,400
Paleo Valley donates their beef 
sticks. 

1262
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,480
And so the idea is like, give 
this to a family to help kind of

1263
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:22,440
inspire their journey on 
healing. 

1264
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,600
And then we have a athlete 
program through Kit Cancer where

1265
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:29,440
we sponsor athletes of child 
that had or has cancer and just 

1266
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:33,280
keep them like striving for 
something, keep them living for 

1267
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,160
something. 
And in addition to our 

1268
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:40,160
nonprofit, I have programs 
called 1 is Thrive through 

1269
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,840
Cancer Formula. 
And that's where I work closely 

1270
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,240
with families alongside my 
brother-in-law, doctor Charles 

1271
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,920
Pennick, who's an MD. 
And we support families while 

1272
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,720
they're walking through cancer 
live support Zooms where they 

1273
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,720
get to ask their questions, they
get access to a beautiful 

1274
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,840
community that they never knew 
they needed or never wanted to 

1275
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,160
be a part of, right? 
But knowing they're not alone. 

1276
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,000
And then I have a remission 
program. 

1277
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,160
And so that's Thrive Beyond 
Cancer Formula. 

1278
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,960
And it's once the child's done 
with treatment, they're in 

1279
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:08,960
remission. 
We get to dive deep into 

1280
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,080
diagnostic testing. 
That's where we do parasite 

1281
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,960
cleansing and heavy metal 
detoxing and all the things that

1282
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,640
are safe to do after treatment. 
And in addition to that, I'm 

1283
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,480
working on some other fun 
projects that still I have a 

1284
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,800
little bit more work to do, but 
I have a podcast, I have a 

1285
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,800
website, just a lot of free 
information, honestly, on my 

1286
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,240
Instagram to offer. 
Yeah, just overall healthy 

1287
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,320
living. 
And, and my goal is that people 

1288
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:38,320
will understand that it's so 
simple to create an environment 

1289
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,040
that cancer can't survive in, 
you know, and, and it doesn't 

1290
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:42,840
have to be expensive. 
It doesn't have to be fancy. 

1291
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:47,520
You don't need all the gadgets. 
Little organ meat and some 

1292
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:51,040
berries and you're good to go. 
Yeah, yeah, a little bit goes a 

1293
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:52,080
long way. 
It does. 

1294
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:56,560
You are such an amazing resource
for for families and individuals

1295
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,680
who are walking through cancer. 
And it's really cool to see how 

1296
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,160
God has taken a really tragic 
and hard situation and just like

1297
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:08,000
allowed you to serve and help so
many people now through that. 

1298
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,680
Where can people, where's the 
best place for people to follow 

1299
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,680
along with you and find you and 
connect with you? 

1300
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:18,760
Yeah, I would say my website 
isseasonjohnson.com, pretty 

1301
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,760
easy. 
And then my Instagram, I share a

1302
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,800
lot on there. 
And this is a really good follow

1303
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:25,720
on Instagram. 
Thank you so much helpful 

1304
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:30,400
information and so approachable.
Yeah, great person to follow. 

1305
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:31,520
It's fun. 
I like Instagram. 

1306
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,840
I I run it. 
No, like if you get a response, 

1307
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:35,800
it's me. 
It's just a fun way to connect. 

1308
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:37,760
Like, of course, it comes with 
its negatives, right? 

1309
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,560
The occasional weird person that
drops in and says hilarious 

1310
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:43,520
things. 
But it's a wonderful space to 

1311
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:44,720
connect. 
And that's how I meet a lot of 

1312
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,600
my families. 
Somebody will tag them in a post

1313
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,440
and then they'll drop into my 
DMS. 

1314
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,160
And so yeah, I would save my 
website and Instagram are 

1315
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:53,440
probably the best place to 
start. 

1316
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:55,320
Awesome. 
Thanks so much for being here. 

1317
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:56,400
Thank you, it's awesome.