Imagine hearing the gut wrenching news that your child
has cancer just before their third birthday.
I have to tell my families this all the time, that their child
didn't get cancer because they were deficient in chemo.
This was the reality for Susan Johnson.
Susan made it her mission to help her son not only survive
but thrive during his cancer journey.
It's not a deficiency in that, it's deficiency in the immune
system. She poured herself into the
research and started implementing natural detox and
dietary protocols, which helped her son to to avoid many of the
harsh side effects associated with.
Chemotherapy and they just lay out all these medications and
antibiotics every week for 3 1/2 years.
We decided to not do that and to keep his immune system healthy
naturally. In today's episode of Grounded
Wellness, Susan shares her journey and offers valuable
insights on how to navigate an unexpected pediatric cancer
diagnosis with hope and strength.
Let's dig in season. I can't believe that you're here
in the flesh. I mean we've known each other
and been friends for like over a decade probably.
A long time. And have only seen each other in
person a handful of times. So it's just it's such a treat
to have you here today. Thanks.
Thank you. It's so fun to be here.
I was telling you when I got here, Like, I think it's.
Yeah, it's been 10 years since I've been.
Near or on the old farm? Yeah, we came to visit and so
good to see. Part of like the primal pastures
and family. Pure journey.
Like literally since the beginning.
Yeah, it's been fun to watch it evolve and grow and see all the
things you're doing and getting attacked by a goose on my way,
and that was actually so fun. You handled it like a It was
awesome. Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry about
that. No.
It was so great. It was grew up on a farm so it
was nothing strange. Yeah, at all.
You're the best person for it to happen to.
Yeah, could have been, could have gone side, yeah, with some
other guests, but you can handle that stuff.
OK. So I'm just going to dive in
with like a big question for you.
Is cancer A? Chemotherapy deficiency.
No, it's not. And I, I have to tell my
families this all the time that, you know, their, their child
didn't get cancer because they were deficient in chemo or
radiation or surgery or a medication.
God didn't create us with this like, oops, forgot about that.
And you know, while all of those methods can help, it's, it's not
a deficiency in that, it's deficiency in the immune system.
And just for anyone who isn't familiar with your background or
like why and how you are so qualified to speak on this
subject, can you tell us a little bit about your background
and your son's journey with cancer?
Yeah, So about, well, my son's 14.
So when he was born, I went back to school to become a functional
nutritional therapy practitioner, which is I think
right around when we first probably connected at different
conferences. And I had a private practice.
And ironically, I would not see cancer.
That just felt really scary and unknown and unfamiliar.
You wouldn't see patients that. I wouldn't see patients exactly.
So I would help people with everything from digestion to
fertility, weight loss, detox, things like that.
But just if somebody called me and said, you know, I have
cancer, I was so intimidated and I just wouldn't see them.
I'd refer them out. And so come November, it was
Thanksgiving and my son would, he was almost 2 at this point
and he or he was two. He just wasn't feeling well.
And so as a practitioner, I'm putting them on all the
protocols. I'm doing GAPS diet.
I'm like, have them on supplements.
I'm just trying to figure out why are you so inconsistently
not feeling well? And he was such a healthy baby.
Never, you know, didn't receive any vaccines.
And he went from breast milk to bone broth.
And so it was just so frustrating to to try to get to
the root cause of this. And finally on Thanksgiving, he
stopped walking. And that's when I just knew,
like something is wrong inside. And he was.
Bedridden couldn't couldn't walk.
He would like have to carry him. Wow.
And so that was about a day and a half and I finally said, I
think we need to come down to LA and see our our family
osteopath. We were living in Northern
California. At this point, we were actually
in Mammoth Lakes, so it wasn't too far from LA.
So we brought him down and I just, I actually called my
mentor, Kim Shooty and I, just as soon as she picked up the
phone, I broke down. It was like I knew intuitively
something was really wrong and she just tried to come from me
and she's like, no, I'm sure it's not anything really bad,
but take him down to see Doctor Moreno.
I did. Little did I know, as soon as
Doctor Moreno, which we you've met him.
I haven't. You haven't a lot.
About him, but I haven't he's an amazing healer osteopath, right?
He's an osteopath, Craniosacral osteopath.
We see. We have an osteopath too in
Arizona that we see. So it's full believer in in that
structure effects, function, function effects structure.
He's just so gifted. And I guess he had he told me
this after, but just putting his hands on kicker.
He knew that he had leukemia and he didn't tell me that, you
know, we needed to go and he just said, I want you to go to
the ER at Loma Linda. And so we drove to the ER at
Loma Linda, checked in and next thing we knew we were being
transferred to the oncology floor.
My husband didn't know what that meant.
I did. And so we take him up and that
it took about two days to get an official diagnosis of acute
lymphoblastic leukemia. And I didn't realize.
So we, we go into this conference room, the oncologist
who, by the way, was on the spectrum, he, he couldn't make
eye contact. So in two ways, it's, it's
beautiful that like this brilliant man is helping kids
with cancer. But it was really hard as a
parent to have a, a physician that he had this gift of
intelligence, but not any personal skills, you know, but
they tell us, you know, your son has leukemia.
Here's our protocol and mind you, he hadn't even had Tylenol
like we had not had given him anything synthetic at this point
like just and they just lay out all these medications.
It's going to be 3 1/2 years. Antibiotics every week for three
and a. Half years?
Why antibiotics? For leukemia, so it's pretty
standard for almost all pediatric cancer, they do it as
a preventative. So they're using antibiotics to
prevent what I consider kind of more of a fungal parasitic issue
that can develop in the lungs from the suppressed immune
system in the toxicity of the chemo.
So because this is a something that can happen, instead of
let's support their immune system, let's actually help it
fire off and get rid of fungus and bacteria.
They instead they use antibiotics as a preventative,
which you're then you're watching these kids, their
immune system is wiped, their gut is destroyed and they have
all of these side effects and symptoms.
And then in times they become antibiotic resistant.
So if they really need it, it's not going to work.
So they recommended antibiotics for the entire duration of the
treatment. Yep.
For 3 1/2 years, every weekend he would take a dose Friday,
Saturday, Sunday. Now we decided we made the
choice to not do that. We had support.
We had a whole functional team that I wish I could say was
working alongside our oncologist, but I'm sure we'll
talk more about that disconnect there.
But we had this amazing team that was guiding us and just was
giving us alternatives to support his immune system, to
try to prevent that fungus developing right and to keep his
immune system healthy naturally. Without just taking constant
antibiotics, Yeah. And did you tell your oncologist
that you were also doing these? Things.
No, we actually went to the extent of filling every single
prescription because we didn't want to risk not getting in
trouble. Really, I imagine that would be
met with a lot of. Resistance, a lot of pushback
and actually, and we'll talk about this more, I'm sure, but
now working with families, it's not something as I'm not a
medical doctor, so I can't tell people not to take a
prescription, right? But we do encourage our families
to talk to their oncologist about alternatives.
And we have had, believe it or not, I would say the majority
are just think it's insane. Absolutely take the antibiotics.
I wouldn't, you know, don't go off of them.
But we've had a handful of doctors recognizing how well
these kids are doing through treatment when the parent admits
they're not giving it to them. Is that even like legal?
Like, is that dangerous to admit that to the oncologist?
It can be with that, yeah. CPS will be called, most likely.
We've had that happen with some of our families.
CPS will show up at their door, start questioning if the doctor
chooses to report them. Wow.
And, you know, when we were first diagnosed, kind of going
back to that day and and we're given this protocol, I thought
at that point, we left that room just shaken, went into our
hospital room with our son and immediately got on a phone call
with this functional team that they were colleagues and my
mentors of mine. And we were prepared for them to
present us their protocol. Like, OK, so you got this
protocol. Here's what we would do and
choose. And they were kind of beating
around the Bush. They wouldn't like they wouldn't
share with us specific things. And I finally said, what's going
on? What is your protocol?
And they said, you know, Susan, you're in the system, you can't
leave. And that's when we realized that
if you're under the age of 18 in the United States and Canada,
and actually some other countries as well, your child,
if they're diagnosed with cancer, you are required by law
to do chemotherapy, radiation and surgery.
Wow, I feel like I've heard stories about this in the news
of parents that that choose not to go that route and then their
child is actually taken from them.
Yep. Child becomes property, the
state parents could be subject. To being arrested.
And you know, it's, it's one of those things as a parent, you
always say like, well, my kids will never until you have kids
and you're like, OK, I said they'd never be on a screen.
You're like, here's your iPad. But I get a lot like parents
will say out of just ignorance, like, well, if my kid got
cancer, we'd just go to Mexico, or we'd just go to Germany.
It's easier said than done because first of all, I didn't
expect my kid to be diagnosed with cancer when I took them in.
Right. You, you see them, they have
these symptoms and you take them in and that's like the last
thing that you would expect. But then you get the diagnosis
and you're essentially stuck. And that's to get an official
diagnosis. I mean, yes, of course there's
alternative testing they do with adults, but usually, I mean it's
through a hospital setting. And so at that point, you're,
you're stuck And, and you know, I am so confident that we did
the right thing, right, that we walked through this and, and
more so now looking back and going, we learned how many
things we could do alongside the chemo, the surgery, the
radiation, the required. Antibiotics, all the different
things we could do to keep him healthy through that and and now
be a testament to all the families that we support.
Do you think that he could have healed just as well or even
better without the chemotherapy and just going the natural
route? Or do you think that the chemo
actually did help him in some way?
So leukemia has actually, there's been so many different
studies done from the functional world as well that leukemia
responds really well to chemotherapy.
And there's enough of even my colleagues in the space of
alternative medicine and natural cancer therapies that we, we do
agree that chemo can play a role with, with leukemia.
Now I does it need to be done the way it's done?
No, like we're, we're literally given, OK, this is your child's
age, this is their weight, this is their diagnosis.
Here's your protocol. So my son who was other than
cancer, really healthy child, never on any other medication is
given the same exact protocol as a child that comes in with
diabetes and, you know, sepsis and all these other issues going
on. They're on the same protocol,
just changed by weight. Just like A1 size fits all
approach. Yep, and because we didn't give
the antibiotics, his immune system really thrived through
treatment, so he was never hospitalized outside of
scheduled chemotherapy. Not once.
What side effects did he experience?
So he lost his hair, and that was pretty heartbreaking because
it makes it real, right? You're like, wow, this is my
kid. Is that kid the bald kid from
the Saint Jude commercials? You know it was.
Brief though, right? It wasn't very brief.
OK, in fact, we might have pulled the trigger a little fast
with shaving it, but it was just heartbreaking to think of
watching it fall out. And so we shaved it and I swear
like the next day it was like, think like hair just started
growing back. And because you were doing so
much to support his body while he was undergoing the treatment.
They're losing hair because the chemo's meant to literally bring
you almost to death like it, it kills everything.
And so you have to be able to support the body to keep it
healthy through treatment. So that and then the only other
side effect that we, I would say there's two just kind of mood
swings from steroids. Steroid pulses are another part
of treatment and they've just like, we'd call it a roid rage.
Our little 4 year old is like doesn't know why he feels the
way he feels and he just gets angry and frustrated.
And then there was a point that they increased his chemo.
So because we didn't do the antibiotics because his immune
system was doing so well, they increased his chemo to 600% the
normal dose. They just kept upping it though
his his immune system isn't dropping is ANC absolute
neutrophil count. It's not dropping.
So we're going to just that means that in there cancer cells
dropping. Yeah, they they do bone marrow
biopsies to show, but they only know one way to treat medicine
right or to treat cancer. And and it's we, we watch kids
come in and we, they're, they're tanked, they're grey.
Like literally their skin is grey, They're bald, they're
vomiting. Yeah, I can.
I can imagine what you're describing.
Yes. Yeah.
And that's the standard. That's the standard of care.
They want kids to get to that point.
And if they're not, if they don't look gaunt and terrible,
they're like, OK, we need to increase the.
Dose because they don't think it's working even if the cancer
cells are dropping. Yeah, even if the, you know, his
platelets are good. You look at there's certain
markers you look on just weekly blood work that would indicate
if cancer is back. And none of those were ever
present. But his immune system was doing
too well. And so because they got him up
to this incredibly high dose, I remember one night he was not
feeling well. And I mean, he didn't vomit
through treatment. Like he truly thrived except for
this night, he threw up and it burnt a hole in my pillow.
It was like this fluorescent color and it literally there was
a hole in the pillow. I mean, it was like toxic.
Like it was crazy. So that was really the only time
that I recognized like, wow, this could really be
destructive. I don't did you know at that
point that they were increasing the dose so dramatically?
We did. And I mean, your hands are kind
of tied. There's nothing you could do.
And you just and we just upped the detox, we upped his
nutrition, you know, just all of the healing modalities that we
were learning and that we were implementing.
We just kind of tennexed it. But yeah, it felt a little bit
out of control. Like, Oh my gosh, I don't know
how I I'm like my hands are tied.
And what were all of those things that you were doing to
support his body naturally alongside the chemotherapy?
Yeah, so we had him on a really intentional, I don't like to say
strict because there was plenty of time to let him be a little
boy and go to a birthday party. We'd always bring his healthy
treat to enjoy. But he he was on a really
intentional diet and so it was kind of a Weston Price type
diet. Lots of healthy fats, lots of
protein, fresh organic veggies, not a lot of grains, of course,
not sugar. Once in a while we'd make like
homemade gummy candies with raw honey.
And what are For anyone who isn't familiar, what does sugar
do to cancer in the body? Yeah, so healthy cells have the
metabolic flexibility to use both sugar and fat as a fuel
source. Cancer cells can only use sugar
as a fuel source. So essentially, if you can
remove sugar from the diet, you can effectively starve a cancer
cell. But if you continue eating
sugar, you're you're feeding the cancer.
Now I will say that research in the last decade has shown
there's now cancers that are super tricky and they can use
both as fuel. And so that's where you just
have to come in with all angles, right?
There's not. AI wouldn't say there's a
one-size-fits-all even diet for every single person with cancer.
But when we're looking at kids, we look at the metabolic
approach. So how can we support their
terrain with healthy fats, protein, carbohydrates coming
from only fruits and vegetables, fermented foods, right, to feed
the bacteria in their gut. So we fed them really
intentionally. We did a lot of detox.
So we would do Castor oil packs, detox baths, homeopathic
drainage remedies, homeopathy. So homeopathy is one of my
favorite tools that we use with our families because it's
essentially like you can't screw it up, you can't overdose, you
can't ruin anything. It will not affect the medicine.
It's not going to reduce the efficacy of what they're getting
from the doctor, but it goes into the tissue and essentially
can drain the organs and tissue of toxins really gently.
And these are like the little tablets.
Tablets, liquid, there's different gemotherapies that are
usually liquid and then there's the pellets, there's tablets and
they're easy to get your into your kids because you've seen
like arnica, right? The little beadlets you just
they're like sugar pellets. So it's such a gentle way to
support kids. My kids love taking them.
Actually. They'll ask for them.
We're like, you know, yeah. You don't need anything right
now. Candy.
Yeah. So yeah, help me up a lot of
that. We have them on some specific
supplements that are functional. Team had put them on a lot of
organ meats. Bone marrow if you think about
like leukemia, you know well part of the chemotherapy, it
suppresses the bone marrow production, suppresses red blood
cell production, suppresses platelets.
So in order to keep all of that functioning, we give them
exactly what they need, which is bone marrow from grass fed
animals. We teach families how to like.
You roast them, scoop it in, mix it in with any dish.
We have moms in our group that will mix it in French toast.
Wow. Like I need to to try the bone
marrow. Like I'm fairly familiar with
incorporating organ meats into our foods, but bone marrow is
something that I haven't done yet.
Yeah. And I don't love the taste.
Like, it's not. My kids will eat it out of the
bone at a restaurant. Yeah, I don't love it.
But mixing it in, you can't taste it.
Yeah, it's actually really Yeah into a savory dish.
How do you how did you incorporate the other organ
meats into his diet? We had, we had bought a quarter
of a cow, right. And so we just asked for the
liver, the kidneys, the heart and asked the butcher to, to mix
it in with all the ground beef. Nice.
And you know, ground beef is so much more affordable to cook
with when you're trying to get really good quality meat.
And so we just said, can you put all of the organ meats mixed
into our ground beef and most of the cow we had it turned into
ground beef. Yeah, that's.
That's a good way to go. Yeah, it's less expensive.
You can do organ meat supplements of course, but kids
don't love swallowing pills And but but.
Kicker did learn to swallow pills.
At a young age, how did you manage?
To do that. That was God.
I don't know how that happened. He was not even.
No, I think he, maybe he'd just turned 3 and he just surprised
us one day, like we were breaking open like 20 capsules a
day and trying to mix it in. And then he'd get mad 'cause his
applesauce was now like green and tasted like algae.
You know, he's like, what is this?
And I said, buddy, if you can swallow pills, you'd, you can
eat your applesauce plain. You know, we, it would be so
helpful. And I, I do remember putting a
pill at the end of his straw. Somebody had told me this.
And put it in the water and had him just suck it back.
That's what they do in the hospital.
They teach you, but they teach you with Tic Tacs or candy,
right? So I'm like, well, we'll try it
with a little pill. And he did it.
And I think that just gave him confidence.
So we kept, it was a big deal. We encouraged him.
And yeah, that made my life so much easier.
I've seen this other trick and maybe it was you who posted
about this, but something with like you have them jump off of
something while they maybe it maybe it wasn't you then, but
like you give them the supplement and then they like
they like put it in their mouth and like swallow it as they're
like jumping off the coffee table.
Oh my gosh, have you ever? Seen.
That it almost sounds like it could.
It could go really well or really poorly.
That I know. I haven't seen that, but I, I
think like, you know, the whole head tilt.
My husband still has to do that. I could give him a pill and he's
like jumping on one leg and throwing his head back.
I I can swallow like 5 at a time same like just down a big gulp
of water. We always joke that our kids and
yours, same, especially with homeopathic remedies, they all
are alcohol based, so they taste a little alcohol.
So we joke that like our kids are going to be at the bar at
21, like taking shots, like it's no big deal because they've done
it. They're all Yeah, I'm a little.
Scared. Did you ever do liver smoothies
with them? I did when?
But here's the mistake I made. And I think I forever scarred my
husband. So my kids never really figured
it out until my husband made it a deal because they didn't blend
the liver really well. Oh, no.
So big chunks of that. Yes, he did.
Josh did. Oh, that's horrible.
And it was a big chunk. And he chewed it and he's like,
what is in my smoothie? And he's like, he thought it was
a banana. Yeah.
That's happened to me. It's it's terrible.
You need a good blender. Yeah, but we did.
We did deliver smoothies. What did you mix it with?
Berries, bananas, I would do raw milk.
Kicker actually didn't do really what great on raw milk, but he
downed raw Keefer during. In fact he craved raw Keefer
like his body knew he needed it. He would walk into chemo with a
quart Papa Marks. Yeah, Kiefer.
And he would walk in and it was, it was crazy.
His body loved it. So we add Kiefer.
OK, I want you to try my smoothie and see if he grew
because it's basically what you just described.
But yeah, have banana, but it's raw milk, raw liver, chicken
liver. So it's like a little bit more
mild. Yeah, I was going to say that
is. Yeah, probably done better with
the raw chicken. And then there's honey and
there's mint leaves in here. The mint leaves help a lot to
mask the liver. Oh, interesting.
OK, I blended it well enough this morning.
That's really good. You can't taste liver at all.
Yeah, so I I tried it just to see like before I added the
honey and the mint. Yeah, I could totally taste it.
And then when I added the honey and mint it just like it like
cancels it out. And I would have never thought
mint. Yeah, yeah, that's really good.
Yeah. I need to do those again.
In fact, I. Mean, I go in spurts of it, like
once you get in the habit and once you have the liver there,
because I, like, puree it. And then I pour it into silicone
molds and freeze them. And then just like, have glass
Tupperware containers full of these little, like, cubes.
Yeah. In the freezer.
And when they're there, I'll always like, it's easy to plop a
few into a smoothie, but it's like going through the process
of making them. Do you when you do your liver
and I'm, I'm guessing it's different for chicken and beef
because we've only really used beef.
When you get it, you freeze it first?
Or do you cook it and then puree it?
I don't cook it, Yeah. So it comes frozen like because
I get it from here from Primal Pastures, and then I just
defrost it in the fridge for like 24 hours, OK.
And but it's never cooked. You never.
OK, Yeah, that's what we do. Because when you cook it, that's
you'll totally taste it. Yeah, yeah, OK.
But yeah, putting it into the ground beef is another great
option. And especially if you're like
then using the ground beef in a recipe that has like that has
spices or sauces, it like completely masks it.
You know, and another thing that we've encouraged our families,
there's a new brand. You've probably, you should have
them on your podcast if you haven't yet, but pluck.
So pluck is an organ meat. Yes.
It's a seasoning. I've heard of that.
That is all organ. It's totally clean.
It's delicious, really cool. You could put it on popcorn on a
we put it on eggs every morning, genius.
It's wonderful. Yeah.
So that's another way to get organ meats in.
Yeah. With, you know, cuz again, a lot
of kids are picky. They're inherently picky.
Plus you put them on chemo, it changes their taste buds
completely. They just want either kids will
either go to salt for sugar. Kicker hated sweet during chemo
and during steroids. That's good.
It was helpful. But like he wouldn't even want
fruit sometimes, but he craved salt.
OK, so you kind of have to mess with like what are they wanting?
How can we make a healthy version?
But the Plex seasoning's awesome.
Going back to detox, what else did you do to support his detox
pathways throughout the cancer journey?
Because I know with kids it's like tricky.
You don't want to do, you don't want to go overboard yet.
But I'm sure in Kicker's case, like you had to do a lot of
different things. So what did that look like?
Yeah, you're right. It is important to mention that
like when somebody, whether it's an adult or a child, but really
a child when they're going through active treatment, I
mean, you just the amount of toxins being put in their body
all while helping, you know, we were just, even if I always tell
parents as a side note, like even if you are just so angry
that they're having to get the toxins in their body, like you
have to truly work on believing that it's playing a role, right?
Like just that power of belief. So while they're going through
this and they're just getting filled with all the toxic
chemicals, you have to be gentle with how much you detox because
to your point, it could either make them feel horrible and it
can push out the medicine that we do need to play a role,
right? And so it we do take a really
gentle approach through active treatment.
After treatment's over, a lot of times people are like, we're
done, we're moving back into normal life.
And that's actually where healing has to go in like 10X.
But during treatment, you know, a couple things we always say is
they have to have a bowel movement every day.
It's so important because we know that's how toxins are
pushed out. And so if a child isn't, that's
a sign their detox pathways aren't open.
And so there's a lot of different remedies.
One of them is we'll make sure that they're doing a Castor oil
pack over their belly using some essential oils like fennel or
licorice, like different essential oils that can actually
help the bowels move. Doing fermenting, try putting
like spraying magnesium on. No, but some of my families are
doing that now. Yeah.
Has that worked for your kids at all?
If you've. I actually haven't tried it on
my kids. I should.
But one of my friends, So we have a product called cycle
soothing Oil and it's like a magnesium spray with a blend of
essential oils to support hormones to use, like to help
with menstrual. Menstrual is this.
New I did not know about it's. It's fairly new.
Oh my gosh. It's like in the last year.
OK, yeah. But it's it's amazing for
supporting menstrual cramps. But I have a friend who like,
struggles with Constipation and she told me that she uses it for
that. And so one time I tried it and
it it works like a charm. Wow.
Yeah. Oh, that makes sense.
Yes, it totally makes sense. And that would be like, again,
so gentle. We try to like, first do things
like that topically before we try to force them to take
another pill. Yeah.
So magnesium is huge and actually chemotherapy severely
depletes the body of magnesium. And I think the latest study I
read was like 98% of Americans are actually already deficient
in magnesium. Then you put them through
something like chemotherapy and you every organ in your body is
dependent on magnesium, every system.
And so it would make sense that that would be one of the reasons
a lot of our kids have Constipation.
So yeah, Magnes, anything topical fermented foods, we
always say add a little bit of sauerkraut juice to maybe bone
broth or if you can get it into a smoothie without it being like
really flavorful fermented foods.
But trying to do whatever we can to get the bowels moving and
activated. And then we always make sure it
like hydration. It's basic.
But you see, I mean, you see it, a lot of kids are just drinking
fruit juice and pop and all of I mean, they're not drinking water
with electrolytes. Yeah, even salt.
You know, we just say put some real good quality salt in your
water, your kids water, make sure they're hydrated.
Do. You use Quinton at all?
Yes, that was one of the supplements he was on.
I mean, still our family takes it every day.
Yeah, same. It's I love that.
I love it. And you don't really need
another electrolyte. Yeah, I think it's really good.
And I think that is actually really helpful also for just
regulating bowels hydration. And Quinton, for anyone who
hasn't heard of it, it's a sea water.
It's like a salt water solution, but it's it's different than
like regular salt water. Like how?
Yeah, it's not the ocean. So it's from the plankton beds
of the sea. It's of course purified, but it
literally tastes like you're drinking.
You just took a. Gulp of the ocean, but it mimics
your blood, so it's like so nourishing to every cell in your
body and just incredibly hydrating.
You really feel a difference? After you do.
Yeah. And you can tell, we always say
if you're dehydrated, it won't taste like salt.
Oh, I've never experienced that. So if you ever are dehydrated
and you take it and you're like, wow, that didn't really taste
like salt water. It just tasted like water.
It means you're you're dehydrated.
And I usually say take another one.
Yeah. But that's huge.
That's so helpful. Yeah.
In fact, you can another way to detox.
And this is a big part that with kids it there's so many things.
And by the way, everything that we're talking about kids that
don't have cancer, like parents that are like, I want to do
whatever I can to create an environment cancer can't survive
in in our family. All of these remedies are so
safe for that. And one of our favorite detoxes,
which helps with cold and flu season is nebulizing.
So you can nebulize the Quinton minerals, you can nebulize
saline, you can nebulize redox molecules.
Like a Sia is a company and just letting them like that's when my
kids got to play a video game, they'd have their little
Nintendo whatever and just nebulize for 30 minutes.
And it's keeping your, your lungs are a detox organ, right?
It's keeping your lungs clear. So pathogens, bacteria, it's a
wonderful way to support detox and it's simple.
Yeah, I think, I think I was actually communicating with you
on this when we got a nebulizer. I think like you would recommend
where to get it and and we did it for a little while.
It's something I need to get back into it, but I feel like it
was so inconvenient because, and maybe this isn't necessary, but
I was cleaning it like after every session, like all the
tubes and the mask and like then I would let it sit on the
counter to dry and it was just like, I feel like it was just
constant like cleaning and drying and like the nebulizer
was always there. And it was like, is that
necessary? No, I wouldn't.
I would say you could clean it like just the mask when you're
moving it to the next kid. You don't need to clean out the
tubes every time. Have their own mask.
Then do you even? No.
OK, I would say you know it. Was making it too complicated.
You probably were. Yeah, I think you don't have in
the tubing. I would just say making sure it
doesn't get musty. Yeah, but no, I I mean, I rarely
clean it out. I just make sure it sits out, we
dump it out, I rinse out the little cup and then I'll rinse
out the mask and that's really it.
OK. So yeah, it doesn't need to be.
You don't have to get that. Crazy about it.
Yeah, and it's simple. And there's something about the
noise, like some kids are super sensitive, so that's a little
trickier, but it's kind of. Relaxing.
Yeah, no, I would do. I would let my kids like watch
TV while they did it, so they were excited because.
Yeah, that's like they. Don't like to watch a ton of
screen time? So the other detox modality we
love for kids is jumping on trampoline.
Yeah, You know, rebounding is the term that we use.
But I always tell parents, don't go out and buy a rebounder if
you have a trampoline. Just get your kid or you.
I can't jump on a trampoline. I can jump on a rebounder, but
trampoline? I want to pee instantly.
Yeah, 3 pounder. I'm fine.
Every month. Every month, yes.
I can't jump on a trampoline, but yeah, getting them jumping
jump rope, jumping on a trampoline, it's stimulating
their lymph, which is their blood detox system.
These are all. Just things that I feel like you
can like find ways to make it fun for kids.
Yes, all of it and and bribery. I'm not about bribery like
bribe. Hey, if you do and what we what
we teach families and again, for not just cancer families, but
almost having like AI was never the chore chart Mom, I wish I I
always wanted to be. I think I bought them, never
used them, but if you had just something that they could you
give them a little autonomy. So here are the five things.
Here's the nebulizer. Here's a Castor oil pack, a
detox bath. Here's jumping on a trampoline
and you know if you want to throw something else.
And they're like sitting in a sauna if you have a sauna.
And what would you do for kids? Like like 15 minutes.
I always say low and slow. So I'd start like 10 minutes
lower temp depending on your sauna.
And after about 30 minutes, if they're not sweating, I'd pull
them out and it means their detox system isn't probably
working well. So go back to hydration, bowel
movements and then kind of making sure they're you're
slowly working them up to being able to get back in and start
sweating. But if you give your kids like 5
choices and they have it like OK, every day you guys get to
choose one thing you get to do and they choose what they do.
I mean, imagine how much healthier kids would be.
Totally. I reward my kids for doing that
kind of stuff. And I've never been a chore
chart person either. But my daughter, my oldest
actually, like, wanted a chore chart.
So I was like, OK, like, she's a checklist girl.
Like a chore chart. Like just, yeah, write it.
Like, write it down, whatever you think it should look like.
And so she like proposed like these different chores and what
she thought she should be paid for each one.
Oh my gosh. It was actually pretty
reasonable. But it was so funny because she
included standard things like making the bed, unloading the
dishwasher. And then one category was it was
biohacking. Like she actually wrote
biohacking. And it was like.
Sauna, hyperbaric chamber, going for a walk.
And I was like, I mean, wow, like we can do this.
And now she like, and I'd pay her for these things.
Not I mean, it's very little, but it's still enough to like,
motivate her to do them. So I'm like, yeah.
Sure. Let's and building the habits
like you're building these habits in her.
And yeah, there is something too about like giving our kids kind
of that autonomy, but they're developing habits that they
won't let go of. Yeah.
You know, I always say, I'm sure when my kids move out, they'll
kind of stray into some things like, oh, I'm going to go to in
and out a little bit more often or I don't know, something like
that. And but they know how good they
feel when they when they don't, right.
So just building that that foundation is huge.
Yeah. So kicker is now he's 14, so he
has been doing great and he's super healthy now.
What did like? What did the rest of?
The cancer journey look like for you guys.
So he was diagnosed December 4th, 2013, and at that point in
time, boys that were diagnosed with leukemia had to go through
3 1/2 years of treatment, so 3 1/2 years of daily chemo.
Now they've changed it and they've cut a year off, which
I'm like, OK, awesome. So it's just the standard amount
of time regardless of like when the cancer is gone or anything.
Yep. And here's the worst part you So
the first six months of treatment are kind of the
induction phase where it's really harsh, It's heavy amounts
of chemo and it's just really like touch and go for most kids.
Again, Kicker just did so well after those first six months.
Then they go into what we call maintenance.
But here's what's so bizarre, and I don't know actually, if
they're actively doing the same system now, they literally put
his number, not his name, but his number that he's recognized
by the children's Oncology group basically in a hat, for lack of
a better example. And as you walk into
maintenance, they you basically just draw a number.
And if he the number you draw will determine whether he gets a
spinal injection of chemo and, and into his port every month or
every three months. So it has nothing to do with his
numbers, with his immune system, with his genetics.
Nothing. Luck of the draw.
It is luck of the draw. And I have a picture still of
him. We were in that room like just
covering him in prayer, covering the room in prayer, like God,
please give us the least aggressive.
And I have this sweet picture of him just like praying.
And we did. We got the least aggressive.
So it was every three months we'd do that.
We had to do chemo every day by mouth, but the port and spine
was every three months. And so that was just the restive
treatment for 3 1/2 years and then you're done.
And this is kind of the, the sad part again about this journey is
you're done. They ring the bell, they take
their port out, that's where they put the chemo through.
And they kind of just send you on your way.
And they say come back and do labs every six months.
But there's no direction on, OK, hey, now we really need to focus
on creating an environment cancer can't come back in.
The number one side effect of most chemotherapies is secondary
cancer. And like you said in the very
beginning, he didn't get cancer because he needed chemo, he got
cancer because something in his terrain broke or was needed
support. Looking back, is there anything
that you can think of of like that's what it could have been
or I mean, because I know you guys raised him so well and you
guys were already so into health and and ancestral living, Like
what is there anything that you attribute it to now?
Yeah. There's a few things and you
know, I always tell parents like, it's such a delicate
journey because as a mom, when your kid, even when your kids
homesick from school, you feel guilty and you're like, all you
want to do is make them better. When your kid gets diagnosed
with cancer, it is this like intense, heavy guilt.
What especially when they're that little, like, what did I do
wrong? And you take that responsibility
so heavily on your shoulders. And so I'm always so gentle when
I talk about like thinking back to what were some of the things
that contributed, while we may never know the one thing,
because I don't think there was one thing, knowledge is power.
And so while I could say for our situation, a couple of things,
now that I know his genetics, we did a three by four.
And we do this with all our families that we work with.
We have them do a 3 by 4 genetic profile to know their
epigenetics to see if they have any methylation pathways broken
or genetic snips that are something's not working right.
So looking now at his genetics, there was a few things that
played into it. I believe I had to have an
emergency appendectomy when I was 14 weeks pregnant with him.
So I went under anesthesia. I'm sure they gave me
antibiotics and we, they said you don't have a choice.
You either lose the baby or you could die.
We have to do this. So that was I think Trigger 1 #2
I had AC section, another bout of anesthesia, antibiotics.
When he was conceived, we were living, my husband was a
California Patrol, Highway Patrol officer.
We were living in Marina del Rey and these apartment buildings
that had like 100 Wi-Fi signals and then moved to Irvine when he
was born. And I'd lived in another high
rise apartment building. And I remember like pulling up,
this is when Wi-Fi was still kind of like, you know, not new,
but I remember pulling up my phone or my computer and being
like, wow, there's like 30, wow, Wi-Fi networks.
And we know there's a direct correlation with leukemia and
electromagnetic frequencies and radio frequencies.
And then the final thing is leukemia has an inherent emotion
connected to it of not feeling worthy.
And while he was 2, I don't think that was him.
I think it could have been an inherited emotion, whether it
was from myself, my husband, generationally, it could have
been great grandma. And that's where emotions come
in and like just really working through unhealed traumas,
unhealed emotions, because our kids can receive those too if
they're not healed at the core and doing work like we
recommend. It's something.
Have you heard of a motion code? Yes.
OK, so it's so simple. Get the book on Amazon.
It teaches you how to do it. You can find a practitioner to
do it that. I would say those were kind of
the main factors that I believe played into it.
Yeah, so interesting. And what surprised you and
shocked you the most about the conventional oncology world when
you guys were were in that? I mean, you've mentioned a few
things already, but I know there's even more I think.
Yeah. So when we first were diagnosed,
and we were diagnosed at Loma Linda, you know, at this point
I'm still a little naive. And I kind of thought that there
would be a different protocol based on the doctor or the
hospital. And I had a boss who was very
well recognized in the entertainment industry.
And I had reached out to him and I said, do you have any
connections to the Children's Hospital Los Angeles Oncology
team? Because he was a big donor.
He said, yeah, let me actually get you a meeting with the head
of pediatric oncology, the head Dr. So my husband and I went
there. We had so much hope and so much
expectation thinking like, OK, we've heard this protocol from
Loma Linda and now we're going to see HLA.
We're being with the head guy. He's probably going to give us
this customized protocol for kicker.
We sit down in his office and you know, it's covered with all
these celebrities and all his awards.
And he's, he said, how can I help you?
And I said, well, this is the situation, my son, this is what
we're doing. I would like to know how would
you customize a protocol for him?
And I said my, my biggest concern is there's no attention
to nutrition through this. And he laughed.
He literally laughed. Not just a chuckle.
He started laughing. And he said, oh, my gosh, do not
pay attention to nutrition. We just want him to eat.
If he eats cake and French fries, that is OK.
Mom. My husband grabs my hand because
I think he was like, oh, she's going to lose it on this dude.
Like, she's going to fly across the table.
Yeah. He, like, grabbed my hand
underneath the desk. Like, just chill.
Like, it's OK. And I was, I was livid.
And I think it was that moment that I also realized, like, OK,
A, we're trapped. But B, this is what they're
telling everybody. And I'm educated.
But what about mom here and a mom here who has no idea?
They're just trusting the doctor.
So they're truly feeding their kids chocolate cake and French
fries. Because they won't.
Just calories. Just calories.
Wow, seed oils and sugar. And I mean.
And that's what they feed them in the hospitals.
Too yes, it's horrible and they most hospital floors have a
candy cart and they have a volunteer who's a sweet person
that just loves to serve these kids and they push around and
the kid gets to pick all the candy they want.
So it's I mean, those are the things that we're probably just
the most horrifying and surprising.
Is that still happening now? It's still happening.
Wow. In fact, I have some
oncologists. I had one that was so angry with
me. And then I think I think that
now it's OK. But he sent me an e-mail and
said my patient was told that she only can eat organic meat.
And so she won't eat when she's in the hospital.
I'm like, her mom's bringing her food, right?
And, you know, I never heard a response.
But no, they're, it's, they're not.
I mean, you know, this oncologist doctors are given
nutrition as an elective. And we found out now pediatric
oncologists are no longer going to be able to be required to do
any nutrition. Well, I would imagine there's
like more and more pushback on that now.
I hope, Oh my, I, I mean, even with just the new administration
in the health movement, I'm praying like I need.
I told my husband I need to get connected to the right people to
know this is a problem. And I think pediatric cancer is
still so rare in their eyes. There's 400,000 kids every year
that get cancer. That's new cases.
So it's not small, but it's still not really a priority.
And I just think it's still foreign, right?
Like people just don't realize how many kids are getting cancer
and it's one of. The top killers of of children,
right? Yeah.
It is. And with the funding, which is
this isn't the funding we want, but global funding for cancer,
4% goes to kids, 96% goes to adults.
So there's so many broken pieces.
And so yeah, my hope is that I can have a voice with with that
movement specifically for Pediatrics.
For anyone listening Who? May have a child that was just
diagnosed with cancer or maybe they were just diagnosed with
cancer. What would your first
recommendation be on where to begin?
The first thing I would say is to take a pause.
They throw you into treatment and very rarely, I won't say
never, but very rarely is it an emergency.
There are cases, of course, where it is an emergent
situation and and you need to have intervention right away.
But more often not, more often than not, that's not the case
because I've heard of so many stories where like, I think
mostly with adults, where they're diagnosed and then they
rush them into surgery like the following day.
And they are misdiagnosed. There's so many times that a
certain leukemia is, is actually diagnosis the wrong type of
leukemia and the treatment is totally different.
Yeah. And so it is some like, there's
so many reasons to pause. Number one, to just recognize
like this is heartbreaking. Like there's so much grief that
comes with this and it's OK to sit in that and like, like
surrender it, right. And just be OK sitting in that
and recognizing the the trauma that just happened.
Sometimes we react out of trauma and we're just so quick to move,
but that's number one. It's scary.
It's. Scary.
So you just want to, like, do something about it and fix it.
Yeah. Yeah.
And you're trusting like, you know, trusting the experts,
trusting the doctor, thinking that they know it's best when
that isn't necessarily always the case.
It isn't. And when we realize that cancer
doesn't happen overnight, I mean, we, there are more and
more studies that prove that cancer has been growing for
years. And in the case of my son, it
could have been growing in utero, right?
Like we are creating cancer cells in our body every single
day with, with our immune system being turned on and healthy and
teaching our kids to do those detox methods we talked about
and giving them healthy foods is giving them the opportunity for
their immune system to shut the cancer cell off, right?
So we're creating these cells all day.
It's when our immune system isn't being supported that it
can turn into a cancer in process.
So cancer takes a while to start and so that's why we don't have
to make a decision overnight. And and so I would say in that
pause, grieving, taking a moment, getting a support around
you. Like you need a team.
Michael Jordan was really great because he had a really great
team, but he also had Phil Jackson as his like coach,
right? So we always say like, you need
to not be the Michael Jordan, you need to Phil Jackson, you
need somebody that comes in, He's like, OK, here's I'm going
to help walk you through this like a doula.
When you go in for a birth, like finding a team of and maybe it's
your chiropractor that you trust that you love, that is has more
of a functional approach that can kind of be that other, that
other ear or offer advice outside of the conventional
space. And then getting a second and
third opinion. And our experience, of course,
we went and tried to get a second or third opinion, but
didn't realize that the protocols all the same.
But getting a second opinion on the diagnosis is not a bad idea.
Or having the, the results being shared with another physician
doesn't mean you need to go through the biopsy again, but
share those results with somebody else you trust or that
comes recommended. So that'll be the first thing.
And like I said, just finding your team, like who do you want
to come alongside you to walk through this alongside your
oncologist? Because your oncologist knows
the somatic theory of cancer, which is just genetic, nothing
about environment, nothing about the metabolic approach, the
terrain, recognizing that cancer isn't a deficiency in chemo.
And so you need to find somebody that can come alongside you that
knows nutrition does play a role.
Detox is important and I would say if you are married and your
child has cancer, like remember that you and your spouse are on
a team and prioritize that sacred relationship.
Because while there's going to be highs and lows and like my
husband grieved differently than I did and I wanted him to grieve
like I did, you know, there's so much happening in emotion.
And what we've realized is God can use the heartache and the
pain for such a powerful purpose.
And I think a big part of that is through your marriage, like
through the the power of being united.
You don't have to agree on everything through the process,
but just remembering you're on the same team and your goal is
to help your child heal. But staying committed to that
date nights things that will continue to lift that marriage
up like. Yeah, not not neglecting that in
the process, no, because it's like the last thing that is on
your mind. But yeah, probably so important
to prioritize still because. You don't want to leave your kid
when they're sick, but your child's going to heal in a home
that feels healthy and that comes from a marriage that's
really healthy. You know, that sets the tone of
a home. Like before you have somebody
come in and fix the EMF and the RF and the mold and all of that.
I'm always like, that's so important and that's a big
thing. But like, how is how is your
marriage? And I'm not saying to, you know,
go to a marriage retreat in the middle of this, but really just
being united and like this, we have a, we have a team effort
here. We need to heal our kid and
create a space that's comfortable for them to heal in.
It's good. One thing I love about you is
how comprehensive you are in your approach to health and
Wellness. Like it's not just food with
you, It's not just, it's not just lifestyle, it's not just
EMF. Like you really factor
everything in and you walk the walk in your life and in your
family's life. Still, I would love for you to
just walk us through like your daily routine, like every
detail, what you do in the morning, what you do, you know,
midday or to wind down at night. I just want, I want to see the
picture of like a day in the life of season.
I love that. Yes, it's like my and I am so
routine, by the way. So I will preface this by it
took me just to kind of get to the point where I have this much
of A routine. And so if you're a mom and your
kids are little and you're like sleep deprived, don't like try
to my, my current is not your starting point, right.
My son actually now for my 14 year old kicker is like part He
does some of this routine as well, But I'll tell you what I
do. So I get up usually around 5:30.
The first thing I do is go down and take my Quinton minerals and
right now we're on a kind of parasite molt detox.
So I'm taking some of those supplements and then I do my
coffee enema and while I'm doing my.
Coffee doing that for a long time, right?
Every morning almost I mean like I'm traveling right now so I'm
not doing them but at home yeah I would say at least 5 mornings
a week, if not all I just I mean I it's a great nobody bothers
you when you do it like my. Husband wants to start.
Doing them because he's like, nobody's going to bother me if I
can lock the door. And yeah.
So yeah, I've been doing this for a while, but I do my coffee
and then while I'm doing that, I'm using my red light just to
help stimulate the mitochondria and anti aging benefits.
And then I go downstairs and I do my Bible reading.
I just sit at the table and go through, oh, actually what I've
been doing lately is I've never done this before.
We always lived in the mountains.
And so in the winter it just wasn't comfortable.
But I when I'm reading my Bible, I'm standing outside in the
grass and grounding, just kind of connecting my feet to the
grass, do my Bible study and then I go for it.
Depends on how I'm feeling that morning.
I'll go for a walk then. We live by the beach right now,
so that's really enjoyable. I just do like a 20 minute walk
and come back and then work out. Or I'll work out then do my
walk. If I'm not in the mood to work
out, I'll just do a walk. What do you do to?
Work out. I actually I have like a fear of
gyms. So like I don't I would walk
into gym and be like I don't know what to do.
Why is somebody around here so much equipment?
So much equipment. I make ugly workout faces.
I'm not like the cute Instagram. I'm like, who is this?
She really working out? She looks so cute.
I just do weights and like, I have an app.
I've used the Peloton app, actually.
Their weight classes are awesome.
Really. Yeah, they're like 20-30
minutes. So I just use an an app that I'm
loving and I do weights. I usually work out for about
20-30 minutes. I'll rebound as part of that and
then I don't eat. I've been intermittent fasting
for years. What's interesting is as I'm
getting older, I'm 43, I'm starting to kind of change it up
a little bit, just, you know, to see how my body responds to
doing a little bit of food before my workout.
I'll keep you posted because I just started that but I usually
don't eat till noon but I'm drinking tons of water quick.
Question on that, what are your thoughts on fasting for cancer?
It is one of the most powerful things you can do.
In fact, it's, I mean, it's free.
It's nature's operating table with kids, it's tricky.
You don't want to force them right to fat.
They're so uncomfortable already, but forcing them to
fast. But if they're old enough to
understand the benefit and they're willing to like
communicate with you about it, Oh my gosh, fasting around
chemotherapy is phenomenal. Doing prolonged fasts if you're
monitored by a practitioner, incredible.
Oh I like if everybody could do along fast while going through
treatment, it would be amazing. And good for prevention too,
right? Yes, yeah.
Josh and I started doing a 24 hour fast almost every week.
If I'm on my cycle, I won't. So it's about 3 Mondays a month,
we'll do a 24 hour fast. I did a three day water fast
last month and it was actually way easier than I thought it.
I mean, it was not fun, it is fine.
Yeah, I know. I think that's what a lot of
people like. It sounds intimidating to a lot
of people, and I'm a fan of fasting as well.
Yeah, I haven't done much of it in a while.
I just kind of like now I take a really intuitive approach and
kind of just go off of what I feel like my body needs at the
time. But I've done up to six days and
I felt the first few days are pretty hard for me.
But then you just get this, like, amazing mental clarity.
Yeah. And you just feel so good.
Food doesn't even, like, sound that appealing anymore.
And it it's just the best reset. When you did six days, did you
do any coffee? Yeah, I did.
You did OK. I was doing.
Coffee, tea, water. OK, yeah, I the three days, I
feel like the first day was the hardest.
Second day was not great. By the third day, I kind of
toyed around with the idea of should I do this one more day?
Yeah, my husband. I just felt like day.
Four day four and. Five were like, he's the best,
yeah. And then six, I started to feel
like a little bit weak. So I was going to go 7 when I
did this and I just, I was feeling like like I was just, it
was time for like dude again. What did you introduce back in
First I? Think bone broth.
Yeah, the first thing this was a couple years ago, bone broth.
And I know people say like not to go all in with like steak or
protein, but I think I did. I just like once I once you
start eating like the hunger kicks in.
And but it was, I felt fine with that.
Yeah, I think that's what I did on the three day.
I did broth and then I had eggs. Yeah, my husband just finished
he's not traveling with me right now, but he just said he was on
a he was 3 1/2 days. I didn't even know he was
fasting and he's like, I don't think I'm going to eat still.
I I feel great. Yeah.
It is so powerful, like the the I always tell, like I try to
speak in kid language, but you think of all the bad guys being
eaten up by the good guys when you're fasting.
That's how I tell my kids, like about supplements or whatever,
like little Pac-Man going up and they're destroying all the gunk.
Yeah. And getting it out because they
don't have to do anything else. Yeah.
It's so powerful. And you're not, you're not
digesting, You're not having to, you know, your body can just get
rid and, like detox without you taking anything.
It's so powerful. I love fasting.
The. Physician within, I think 1.
Of the philosophers from back in the day, yes.
Hippocrates. Yes, it might have been
Hippocrates. Yeah, it's powerful.
Yeah. I love fasting.
OK, so back to your day. So at 12:00, typically when you
have your your first meal, and I usually takes if I'm like, I was
on a berberine kick for a little bit and I would take berberine
supplement before my first meal and that helps to regulate blood
sugar. Yeah.
So you don't have that even though I'm not eating sugar with
my breakfast, it just helps kind of that metabolism and
processing of the nutrients and not having any type of spikes.
I've heard that referred to as Nature's Ozempic.
Yes, and it's it has anti cancer properties.
Berberine is actually antifungal, antiviral, has anti
cancer properties. It's a really cool herb.
I haven't tried it. Yeah, now I want to.
I think it's great. I think everybody should do it
for a period of time. If people have really low blood
sugar, then you, you want to be careful because it could
actually just keep you too low. But if you have mostly regulated
or high, yes, it's amazing. So I'll take berberine if I'm on
a berberine kick. And then I eat and I usually
eat, I'm so routine. I eat three eggs cooked in
butter and I top it with the pluck seasoning.
And if I've had, I make these delicious ground chicken
sausages with just Maple syrup and onion and garlic and they're
really yummy. So if I have those made, I'll
have those avocado. If I have my sourdough, I'll do
avocado and sourdough microgreens.
My kids eat the same thing and then I have my coffee, which my
new favorite thing, Oh my gosh, is and I have coffee after I
eat. But I do think people are like,
how do you wait that long? I think a coffee enema might
help. Yeah.
Because I don't get headaches. Even when I fasted.
For those three days I didn't do coffee.
I did my coffee enemas and I was fine.
I feel like it. Energizes you still, but in like
a little bit of a different way. Yeah.
It's like more subtle, much more subtle.
You don't get like feel a buzz or anything, but I make my
coffee and I add a homemade marshmallow to it and it's so
good. I was on a kick with that
recently. It's hard to get off that kick
like no coffee tastes is good like what it's like without.
It I don't know why more people don't do.
That I know. And then you just blend it in.
Oh, it's so good. And then I jump into my work day
and I, I work and we usually go on my husband and I, or if he's
not around or he's busy, I'll do an evening walk and then we have
dinner. And our dinners are pretty
living in Mexico. It's, we've kind of sourced
healthy foods, but it's limited. So we have like an organic
ranch. We get food from some produce,
but it's just not quite as diverse as being here.
You know we. Don't have all the same options
right? I feel like I wouldn't mind that
I can eat the same thing over and over.
Yeah, it doesn't bother me. Yeah, I do like getting.
I have seasons of wanting to be creative in the kitchen and you
don't really get that there because you're there's, it's
always the same season. It's always hot, you know, But
yeah, then we eat dinner as a family.
Usually my kids are getting older, so it's, you're starting
to see that kind of, they're doing their things at different
times. I'm in bed by my favorite day is
being in bed by 9. And I usually I have a journal
next to my bed and I'll write out the for the next day, the
three things I want to accomplish the next day, and
then the three things that I'm proud of that day.
And it's just helpful. Like it's helpful for as an
entrepreneur and being in service all of the time of like
recognizing where I was happy I showed up and what I need to do
the next day. And yeah.
That's kind of a day in the life.
Yeah. I love.
I mean, minus, you know, yelling at the kids here and.
Yeah. All those little things, yeah.
What are all of the things that you are are doing now?
Tell our audience about the programs that you have and just
everything that you do to support families that are
walking through cancer and just just people in general.
Yeah, so I have. We have a nonprofit that we
founded actually back in 2014 right after Kicker was diagnosed
called Kick Cancer. And through our nonprofit, we
send out kits which you guys donate so generously and have
since we started, which is amazing.
These kits are we call the Kickstart kit.
So the family when their child's diagnosed, they receive it for
free. And it has like the things that
we really want them to kickstart their health journey and to
recognize like please use clean deodorant.
And so we include the primarily pure deodorant, use Castor oil.
So we put Castor oil in there, detox bath supplies in there.
We have some supplements in there.
Just Thrive, the probiotic company is donating now some
supplements, some healthy nut butter packets, organic snacks.
Paleo Valley donates their beef sticks.
And so the idea is like, give this to a family to help kind of
inspire their journey on healing.
And then we have a athlete program through Kit Cancer where
we sponsor athletes of child that had or has cancer and just
keep them like striving for something, keep them living for
something. And in addition to our
nonprofit, I have programs called 1 is Thrive through
Cancer Formula. And that's where I work closely
with families alongside my brother-in-law, doctor Charles
Pennick, who's an MD. And we support families while
they're walking through cancer live support Zooms where they
get to ask their questions, they get access to a beautiful
community that they never knew they needed or never wanted to
be a part of, right? But knowing they're not alone.
And then I have a remission program.
And so that's Thrive Beyond Cancer Formula.
And it's once the child's done with treatment, they're in
remission. We get to dive deep into
diagnostic testing. That's where we do parasite
cleansing and heavy metal detoxing and all the things that
are safe to do after treatment. And in addition to that, I'm
working on some other fun projects that still I have a
little bit more work to do, but I have a podcast, I have a
website, just a lot of free information, honestly, on my
Instagram to offer. Yeah, just overall healthy
living. And, and my goal is that people
will understand that it's so simple to create an environment
that cancer can't survive in, you know, and, and it doesn't
have to be expensive. It doesn't have to be fancy.
You don't need all the gadgets. Little organ meat and some
berries and you're good to go. Yeah, yeah, a little bit goes a
long way. It does.
You are such an amazing resource for for families and individuals
who are walking through cancer. And it's really cool to see how
God has taken a really tragic and hard situation and just like
allowed you to serve and help so many people now through that.
Where can people, where's the best place for people to follow
along with you and find you and connect with you?
Yeah, I would say my website isseasonjohnson.com, pretty
easy. And then my Instagram, I share a
lot on there. And this is a really good follow
on Instagram. Thank you so much helpful
information and so approachable. Yeah, great person to follow.
It's fun. I like Instagram.
I I run it. No, like if you get a response,
it's me. It's just a fun way to connect.
Like, of course, it comes with its negatives, right?
The occasional weird person that drops in and says hilarious
things. But it's a wonderful space to
connect. And that's how I meet a lot of
my families. Somebody will tag them in a post
and then they'll drop into my DMS.
And so yeah, I would save my website and Instagram are
probably the best place to start.
Awesome. Thanks so much for being here.
Thank you, it's awesome.