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Hey everyone, as we embark on a 
new year, we wanted to celebrate

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some of our favorite moments 
from 2025 on Grounded Wellness. 

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We put together our favorite 
clips into one episode. 

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These were the moments that you 
guys kept coming back to, the 

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ones that sparked the most 
comments, conversation, and 

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communities. 
Be sure to let us know what you 

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think in the comments and also 
tell us if there are any new 

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topics or guests that you want 
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Thank you so much for being a 
part of this community. 

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The FDA hadn't updated their 
manuscript until two years ago 

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where they made a statement. 
They haven't even updated it 

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yet, but they made a, an update 
letter or an update statement 

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looking and re examining after 
20 or 30 years worth of data 

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whether those original chemicals
were safe. 

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And 19 of those most readily 
used stuff that was originally 

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deemed grace, generally 
recognized as safe and effective

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are no longer deemed grace. 
So the stuff that we were 

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readily accepting, you're on 
vacation, you pick it up from 

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the convenience store in the 
hotel lobby or wherever or your,

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your local pharmacy. 
The stuff that was widely 

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accepted is now saying, the FDA 
itself is saying, I'm not sure 

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this is just as safe as we 
thought it was. 

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Let's look into it. 
In fact, they pulled a few 

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things off the shelf, a few 
older chemical sunscreens 

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because they provide no benefit 
and they had some consequence in

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the studies looking at 
interference with health. 

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But it's always, especially in 
the US, it's always 2 steps 

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forward and then half a step 
sideways or back, you know? 

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It's like 10 years after 
something has been used by 

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millions of people, they then 
realize that it isn't safe. 

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And so they they've come out 
with this statement and they've 

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pulled a few of these chemicals,
but many of them are still being

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used. 
Yeah. 

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Because there's so lobbying in 
the United States is really, 

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really, really strong. 
And unfortunately, everything is

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still a business. 
So the big players that benefit 

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widely from keeping certain 
things on market have a have 

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deep pockets, so you can 
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or not do certain things based 
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is, right. 
So a lot of these things that 

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are a problem everywhere else in
the world, which have been 

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pulled from many other countries
are still widely available here.

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And in fact, there are certain 
chemical sunscreens available in

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places like Canada and Europe 
that are much safer, that don't 

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have the degradation products. 
But we still can't get them in 

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the USI still I've heard. 
About these these like new UVUV.

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They're filters, Yeah, I still 
I'm skeptical. 

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I like the old mineral, mind it 
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Earth. 
Pride and true because. 

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It's like blocker, Might we 
possibly find out about those? 

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Yeah. 
Whereas physical blockers 

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essentially function like 
clothing where they sit on the 

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surface of the skin and they 
shield from UV. 

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So if you're going to pick 
something, pick the old time 

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tested, you know mine from the 
Earth ingredients. 

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I'm glad you mentioned that. 
I feel like we have very similar

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approaches to sun exposure, like
finding shade is important after

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being in the sun for a long 
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Like you said, you will never 
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protective clothing, wearing 
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But then for the times that I 
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in the sun for extended periods 
of times, I will opt for a 

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physical barrier sunscreen. 
Non nano zinc and we actually 

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are launching one soon, a 
sunscreen of our own. 

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Amazing. 
Congratulations. 

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Thank you. 
Thank you for something that's 

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been in the works for so long. 
Amazing. 

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Because like we talked about, 
it's considered a drug by the 

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FDA. 
So the processes for testing and

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whatnot totally take forever. 
But yeah, you wanna take a look?

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That's awesome, love the 
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Thanks. 
Let's see. 

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So right off the bat, it has a 
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which I like because oftentimes 
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product on our skin or active 
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So the lower concentrations of 
minerals tend to not be as 

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protective as the label 
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I love the inactives. 
There's very few of them. 

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All of these my kids can. 
Pronounce. 

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I'm just going to feel this. 
Yeah, it has a bit of a white 

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cast, but not quite as bad as a 
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sunscreens. 
This is awesome. 

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Particle size is really uniform,
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So it's still non nano, it'll 
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skin, but the white cast is I. 
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smell. 
I would put this on my kids. 

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Yay for. 
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Doctor, great product. 
Yeah, yeah, totally awesome. 

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Congratulations. 
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Thanks so much. 
I think it's nice to go back to 

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fundamentals. 
I love the that's probably the 

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highest concentration of zinc 
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It's great. 
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straightforward. 
They're biologic, they're 

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organic. 
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family for sure. 
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Yeah, let's transition to 
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Sure. 
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foods that people should be 
aware of in terms of giving your

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body the best defense possible 
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Yeah, I love that. 
So something that's not commonly

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known about is things that you 
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your skin from the inside out. 
Whereas in many other countries,

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particularly in South America, 
this is a well known phenomenon.

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There's several ingredients. 
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love and recommend for all my 
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it's from a Fern in the Amazon 
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And this Fern was found when we 
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people in the Amazon that would 
consume this Fern before they 

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went out on fishing expeditions 
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And if they knew they were going
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days, they would take this Fern 
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would protect them from burning.
So it's essentially like an 

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internal sunscreen or an 
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So that was identified to be 
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And I recommend that literally 
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wants another form of sun 
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be outside, if you have sun 
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I know I see a lot of young 
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We used to call that the mask of
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And it's this discoloration 
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It's extremely sensitive to not 
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And sunscreens don't do a great 
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component of light, whereas 
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So there's a lot of things that 
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that will actually improve the 
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skin. 
And there's a lot of science 

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behind this. 
It's not just assumption or 

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opinion. 
There's a lot of published data 

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behind all of these ingredients.
I help formulate a product 

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called Sunpowder, which is what 
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It's it's a daily drinkable skin
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It's the first of its kind in 
the market that has all of these

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ingredients at the clinical dose
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water and drink once a day. 
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if we're doing stuff to our skin
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protecting it for shielding it 
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let's give it a fighting chance 
from the inside with evidence 

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based ingredients to help reduce
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cancer risk and premature aging.
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Absolutely. 
It's creating resiliency from 

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the inside out. 
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clinical trial that I am 
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that looks at patients who 
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exposure. 
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there's good evidence and 
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It's not like a marketing 
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many things that we can learn 
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realm, you know, nutrition, 
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We found Polypodium in the 
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That's fascinating. 
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did they consume this to get the
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So if you know you're going to 
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or like let's say you're going 
on vacation for a week, we found

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that it builds up tolerance when
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But say you don't know and 
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hours before you can consume 
this and it'll give you some sun

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protection. 
It double S the time that you 

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can spend outside before your 
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Wow. 
It's not. 

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You've tested this? 
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There's ten years worth of data.
Behind really amazing. 

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Yeah, it's awesome, and it's not
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Sunscreen has its role in 
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outside in. 
Shade and shelter protect your 

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skin from the outside in, but 
this is a way to increase your 

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skin's resilience to UV 
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I remember seeing something like
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There was some bold claim. 
I think that was it. 

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Yeah. 
It increased double S the amount

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of. 
Time, yeah, double s the amount 

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of time, yeah, that's why. 
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know you're going to have like a
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hiking, you know, or a fishing 
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Starting in a week before 
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tolerance even more. 
Wow, Yeah, it's. 

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I love that it has astaxanthin. 
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use in a lot of our topical skin
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serum, our Antioxidant bomb. 
It's just an amazing antioxidant

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for the skin. 
And it's not well known in the 

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skin care space. 
So for some reason it's it's 

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like overlooked but well known 
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nutrition category. 
There's several really good 

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studies that looked at actual 
objective changes in skin health

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and appearance with astaxanthin 
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milligrams and you saw 
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elasticity, firmness and 
collagen production. 

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By taking it internally. 
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So we added a full clinical dose
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Amazing. 
It's it's an amazing 

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antioxidant. 
Nobody talks. 

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About right, Right. 
And we have it here, actually. 

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Yeah. 
Let me try it. 

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Cheers. 
Cheers. 

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Sorry I didn't make a liver 
smoothie for you. 

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Next time. 
Next time. 

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This is Yeah, this is our first 
year of flavor. 

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Yeah. 
I figured if my kids will like 

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it, it's really bad. 
Anybody can like it. 

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Yeah. 
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So. 
If someone's taking taking like 

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a multivitamin, well, anything, 
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the same time? 
So everything is water soluble. 

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Everything is at the right 
clinical dose but doesn't 

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interact with any medications 
that we know of. 

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There's also bio active collagen
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acid in there, vitamin C, 
glutathione, a few other 

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goodies, but doesn't interact 
with anything you take. 

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What about foods to avoid? 
Is there anything that you would

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recommend people not consume if 
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resilience to the sun on an 
internal level? 

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So that's, that's a tough 
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identified foods yet that will 
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susceptibility to sunburns or 
sun damage. 

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But we do know foods that will 
weaken your skin's immune system

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and make your skin health worse.
And what do I mean by this? 

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So we've known for many, many 
years, and I practice this in my

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practice, that certain diets, 
certain foods will improve skin 

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disease. 
We can improve eczema, we can 

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improve psoriasis, we can 
improve acne. 

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These are quintessential skin 
problems with diet. 

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Will they cure them? 
Not necessarily per SE, but will

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they improve them? 
By far I've. 

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Never heard a dermatologist say 
that and I struggled with acne 

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in junior high high school. 
I remember point blank asking my

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dermatologist is there anything 
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lifestyle that will help this 
and she said no it is purely 

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genetic. 
There's nothing you can do. 

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Just keep taking these 
antibiotics on and off for years

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and years and years and putting 
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No, SO I'm sorry about that. 
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protein and how much easier it 
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once your body gets used to that
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energy versus junk food for 
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medical school, I would 
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detox clinics and stuff. 
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come into the ER with 
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alcohol withdrawal. 
People can die from like alcohol

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withdrawal. 
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of this or minimize that, but I 
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there are detox Centers for 
alcohol, right? 

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I almost feel like there is an 
unmet need for like we have 

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processed food detox. 
Like what is a human to do? 

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like I think that it would serve
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there were a place where humans 
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food. 
Because most of us have had this

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subjective experience where you 
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and you just crave it. 
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willpower, a family to support 
you, a community to support you,

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because we do what people around
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and it's very easy for the 
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because you're travelling, 
whatever you're travelling to 

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see your family in Atlanta or 
Florida or wherever. 

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I'm, I don't have food. 
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in the airport and the only 
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used to love as a kid. 
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protein, like the peanut butter 
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or, you know, here's a, I'm just
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like 1 sandwich or, you know, 
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fried thing or this bread or, 
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some people just 'cause this 
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which is hard for us. 
You are notoriously not a huge 

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fan of vegetables. 
Most of us have been told our 

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entire lives to eat our veggies 
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What is your take on vegetables 
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healthy as everyone thinks they 
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So the way that I frame this 
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and sort of the way that I've 
talked about this is like, look,

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if you're thriving, don't change
anything. 

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You know, if you're not 
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disease or insomnia or 
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condition human might suffer 
from, maybe think about your 

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assumptions about nutrition. 
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I've done unexpectedly, I've 
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not thousands of people now that
in real life and in emails and 

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comments and stuff who who say 
to me like, you know, when I cut

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XYZ vegetable out, my elbow pain
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better. 
So I don't think everyone needs 

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to be cutting vegetables out of 
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people who are uniquely 
sensitive from an autoimmune 

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perspective, the removal of 
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And when you think about it. 
So let's just take a step back. 

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What is a vegetable? 
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part of a plant. 
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Well, a fruit is the thing that 
gets sweet or colorful or has 

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seeds in it. 
So a lot of people don't know 

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that avocado, squash and 
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So what is vegetable? 
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kale, cabbage stems, things like
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the roots and the seeds of 
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I mean, people don't really 
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vegetables. 
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or the roots of plants like 
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potatoes. 
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fruiting parts of plants. 
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and you look at indigenous 
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roots. 
When I went to visit the Hadza 

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in Tanzania, they will eat roots
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that's like their least favorite
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Yeah. 
There's a researcher named Frank

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Marlowe who studied the Hadza, 
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paper. 
The title of the paper is Tubers

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as a fall back food for the 
Hadza. 

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So he gave them a survey and he 
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Honey #1 honey is #1 #2 for men 
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baobab. 
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citrusy fruit that they get. 
It's the tree of life. 

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It's this really beautiful tree 
in Tanzania and probably other 

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parts of Africa. 
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honey. 
For women, it's honey and like 

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berries. 
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last one is tubers, right? 
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historically, tubers are 
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the least problematic for 
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quite sensitive to the 
nightshades and white potatoes. 

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But the stems and the leaves, 
the haza never touched them. 

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This is just not part of their 
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Wow. 
They use the the roots of a lot 

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of plants as poison for their 
arrows. 

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They'll use leaves of plants as 
medicine if they have a stomach 

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ache, potentially parasitic or 
other things. 

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But it wasn't until so I was 
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friend, my business partner in 
Lineage. 

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I remember that. 
One, and he got he got like a 

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stomach thing when he was there.
Not surprisingly, it's Tanzania.

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And the first thing they do is 
walk over this Bush and they're 

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like, here, chew on this, chew 
on this branch. 

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OK, So that's when you use the 
vegetables. 

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Like generally within these 
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medicine, not food, Not they 
don't have a value, right? 

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Just that they're medicinal, not
food. 

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And so we've, I think that for a
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flipped the, the hierarchy on 
its head, right? 

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We've been told red meat is 
horrible for you. 

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It'll raise your cholesterol. 
We've vilified red meat and 

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animal food, some of the most 
nutrient rich, Simply put, like 

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the most nutrient rich foods on 
the planet, we've vilified them 

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and subjugated them to the 
bottom of the hierarchy. 

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And we've taken, I mean, look, 
if somebody's eating unprocessed

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food, I'm happy. 
But we've within the unprocessed

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food realm, we've taken the 
vegetables, which are probably 

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the least bioavailable sources 
of nutrients and they have the 

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most toxins. 
Yeah, you have to eat a lot more

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plants to get anywhere near the 
same amount of nutrition that 

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you would get from like one 
steak. 

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Well a lot of the thing that 
really important thing to see 

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here is that a lot of the 
nutrients in the steak don't 

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even occur in the plants. 
Creatine, carnitine, answering 

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taurine, B12K2, none of these 
things actually even occur in 

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the plants. 
It's not that plants don't have 

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value. 
Clearly humans can get some 

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value from leaves, but not as 
not in the same ways, right? 

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And so it's different and, and 
plants, to be fair and balanced,

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plants have higher amounts of 
some things like beta carotene. 

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Well, animals have retinol form 
of vitamin A and plants have 

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beta carotene or there are a lot
of plants that are pretty high 

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in folate. 
And if you're looking at animal 

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foods, you have to eat liver if 
you want to get folate or an egg

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yolk. 
So you know, a steak doesn't 

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have everything, but it has a 
lot, and a lot of the things in 

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a steak are not actually found 
in any plant foods at all. 

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Let's talk about liver a little 
bit more and maybe this is a 

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good time for us to try our 
liver. 

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Smoothies, Yeah. 
So what's in here? 

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It's kind of separated a little 
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So it's raw beef liver? 
Yeah. 

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Raw milk? 
No, no. 

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Strawberries, blueberries, 
raspberries, and lineage honey. 

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Let's go. 
So all right. 

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Pressure's on. 
Cheers. 

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I dig it. 
You like it? 

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Yeah, it's great. 
I mean, I love. 

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It's a little warm, it's been 
sitting out for a long time. 

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That's good. 
Give me all the fermented liver.

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So what makes liver such so 
special? 

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So some people think about liver
as the filter, which isn't 

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really true. 
The liver is where we have phase

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one and phase two detoxification
and that's how we detoxify 

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things. 
But then the liver excretes them

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or packages them for excretion 
and poop and pee. 

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So the liver is kind of this 
enzymatic manufacturing plant 

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that like exports things and 
gets rid of bad things. 

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It's not storing toxins. 
It's not like helping the. 

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Body assimilate and get rid of 
them. 

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Essentially, yes, yes. 
And when we think about it, like

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you can look at the liver of 
animals, it doesn't, it's not 

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just full of all the toxins the 
animals eating in its whole 

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life. 
Like obviously the quality of 

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the foods and animals eating 
effects the quality of the meats

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and the organs, grass fed versus
grain fed. 

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But the liver, I just think of 
it like the metaphor I use is 

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like when when I used to make 
spaghetti in college, you drain 

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the spaghetti into a colander 
and the spaghetti, the spaghetti

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stays. 
That's not the liver is not just

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a sieve, right? 
The liver is not a filter. 

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It's not like your coffee 
grounds in the liver, right? 

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It doesn't just catch 
everything. 

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It wants to take all that stuff 
that your body doesn't want and 

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export it. 
But because of that, because it 

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is such an enzymatic powerhouse,
it is full of unique nutrients 

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that often don't occur in other 
organs of the body. 

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So that's what's unique is that 
when you look at an animal, like

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a cow for instance, it's most of
us like to eat beef or a 

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chicken. 
And you eat that animal from 

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nose to tail. 
And you don't just eat the 

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muscle meat. 
You get almost a complete array 

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of every vitamin and mineral 
that we know of as humans. 

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The only potential thing missing
is vitamin C, but meat actually 

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contains vitamin C, does it? 
Yes, you didn't know. 

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That yeah, the spleen is the 
most rich source of vitamin C in

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an animal. 
The liver has vitamin C. 

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The meat actually has vitamin C 
Now. 

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I think you can get more vitamin
C from cherries and raspberries 

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and blueberries and and oranges,
right? 

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What about Kiwi? 
Kiwi is a great source of 

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vitamin C but meat is known as 
an anti scorbutic. 

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So this history of the Limeys 
and Britain and this idea of 

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scurvy going across the ocean, 
they knew that if they eat meat,

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that would cure scurvy. 
So meat cures scurvy. 

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So meat has some vitamin C. 
So really you could technically 

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say eating an animal from nose's
tail contains essentially every 

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vitamin and mineral that you 
would need to thrive as a human.

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If you ate fresh meat, you would
actually get carbohydrates too, 

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because there would be so much 
fresh glycogen in the meat. 

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So the idea that like and I, I 
eat plants, right? 

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I but. 
For a while you didn't. 

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You only ate animal. 
A year and a half. 

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Yeah, so why did you decide to 
incorporate some plants and 

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fruits back into your diet? 
So I think that one of the 

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things I've been thinking about 
a lot recently is bio 

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individuality. 
And I was, it was an interesting

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experiment for me. 
So the reason I did carnivore is

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because I had bad eczema. 
So when I started carnivore, I 

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was in my residency in Seattle 
and I had eczema, an eczema 

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flare that was horrible. 
I think it was related to some 

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additional mushrooms I was 
using, not psilocybin, but like 

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chaga, reishi, Cordyceps. 
I was doing mushroom extracts 

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and I had a horrible eczema 
flare. 

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Interesting. 
And I had had eczema flares in 

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the past related to chocolate or
unpasteurized dairy, or probably

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things like tomatoes that I 
wasn't aware of. 

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Nightshades do seem to trigger 
my. 

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Eczema Lectins. 
In some cases, I mean, tomatoes 

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have lectins, all foods have 
lectins. 

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It just seems like plant lectins
are potentially more problematic

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from an immune system 
perspective than animal lectins.

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But yeah, I think grains may 
have triggered my eczema in the 

455
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,520
past. 
So I went strict carnivore and 

456
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,080
for a year and a half I eat 
nothing but meat, fat and organs

457
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:14,520
and salt. 
Wow. 

458
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,320
And isn't that hard? 
I I like doing these 

459
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,160
experiments, so I I really I 
thought. 

460
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,840
It was so gung. 
Ho yeah, I thought it was really

461
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,440
interesting. 
And that was the time when I 

462
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,000
wrote the book about the 
carnivore diet. 

463
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,080
And since then a lot of things 
have changed. 

464
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,280
And I've I've all of my 
perspective on a number of 

465
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,200
things. 
But man, there's a lot of people

466
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,360
who have really benefited from 
that type of a diet. 

467
00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:38,560
I mean, you look at Jordan 
Peterson and you know, a number 

468
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,480
of people have reversed 
recalcitrant autoimmune 

469
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,440
conditions with very simple 
elimination diet. 

470
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,400
So there's a real, there's a 
role for it. 

471
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,200
I found out that for me, adding 
back carbohydrates did not cause

472
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,040
an eczema flare if they were 
from fruit. 

473
00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:55,600
And I felt so much better. 
So I think there's a lot of bio 

474
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,960
individuality here. 
And I'm trying to think now 

475
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,160
about how to anticipate what are
your genetics, right? 

476
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,000
Where's your family from? 
Are you going to do better with 

477
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,240
carbohydrates or less or worse? 
Because I have some friends that

478
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,840
say to me like, I think I feel 
better with high fat, low carb. 

479
00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:12,280
And I think, OK, well, that's 
great. 

480
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,320
Like if you feel better with 
that and you don't have muscle 

481
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,520
cramps. 
So I had sleep disturbance, I 

482
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,520
had heart palpitations, I had 
muscle cramps. 

483
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,880
My testosterone went from about 
800 to around 505 fifty. 

484
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,840
So it didn't go completely, you 
know, low, but it went pretty 

485
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,120
low for me. 
And then when you added carbs 

486
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,600
back in, it all comes back. 
It went. 

487
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,400
From fruit and honey was what I 
started with and now I do squash

488
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,040
also. 
So squash is a fruit and, and 

489
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,760
now I mean, I think that what 
I've learned about myself is 

490
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,480
that I, I'm Mediterranean. 
My family is Saladino. 

491
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,240
They're my dad's family's 
Sicilian. 

492
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,200
So I think that, you know, 
probably somewhere in my 

493
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,560
genetics is, yeah, your body 
likes carbohydrates. 

494
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,040
And the more active I am, the 
more carbohydrates I eat and I 

495
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,000
maintain leanness. 
You know, I don't, I don't do 

496
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,400
any hormones. 
I've never done any hormone 

497
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,080
replacement. 
I don't have a problem with a 

498
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,320
man or a woman doing hormone 
replacement if they've ruled out

499
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,440
any reversible causes of low 
testosterone or hormonal 

500
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,160
decline. 
But I don't take any hormones. 

501
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,160
I stay lean. 
I stay muscular and so why, you 

502
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,200
know, why would I eat less 
carbohydrates? 

503
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,560
I think it's fine. 
I don't see an issue with 

504
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,080
carbohydrates. 
And I also stay very insulin 

505
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,080
sensitive. 
So I found out that works for 

506
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,120
me. 
So that's really interesting. 

507
00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:20,760
So it's like, it's almost like I
was getting, you know, different

508
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,400
aspects of the of the equation 
and trying to see more of the 

509
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,280
full picture. 
Like, OK, look, I do think 

510
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,800
elimination diets, this is to 
your vegetable question are 

511
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,640
helpful for people, especially 
with autoimmune conditions, 

512
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,040
right? 
When you cut out vegetables, if 

513
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,160
you have autoimmune disease, 
it's probably worth a trial of 

514
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,880
that. 
If nothing gets better, include 

515
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,560
it. 
You know, if you love your steam

516
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,640
kale, knock yourself out. 
Just make sure you check your 

517
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,920
thyroid labs because kale and 
broccoli and those foods do have

518
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,480
compounds in them that inhibit 
absorption at the level of the 

519
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:48,760
thyroid and can affect the 
thyroid. 

520
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,680
But this is the this is the 
story of vegetables that they do

521
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,200
contain defense chemicals. 
I mean that the leaves, the 

522
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,800
stems, the roots, the seeds of 
plants are defended and they 

523
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,640
have defense chemicals. 
It's the only way they can 

524
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,120
defend themselves. 
Animals can run away, they can 

525
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:03,440
attack bite. 
Plants don't have that 

526
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:04,600
capability. 
Plants don't have the 

527
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,200
capability. 
So some people are probably more

528
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,760
sensitive to this than others. 
But I mean, like over here, 

529
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,480
people can't see it in the 
frame, but this is a beautiful 

530
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,360
scene. 
There are sheep grazing on 

531
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:15,800
grass. 
These are ruminant animals, 

532
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,560
right? 
These are animals evolved to eat

533
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,040
that grass. 
We are not evolved to eat that 

534
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,040
grass. 
Like, if I eat what that sheep 

535
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,880
is eating, I'm not going to feel
very good. 

536
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,560
I might have diarrhea. 
I might have. 

537
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,280
I might puke. 
It would be a very bad afternoon

538
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,960
for me, right? 
So all of these plants are not 

539
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,120
just here for my eating. 
Like this is not good food for 

540
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:35,760
humans. 
And even the sheep know this. 

541
00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:40,080
And if you take even ruminant 
animals like this and you can 

542
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,200
find them in too small a 
paddock, you know this, I'm sure

543
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,240
they they sometimes have mass 
die off because they don't have 

544
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,520
enough variety of plants to eat.
They're not just eating one 

545
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,360
single species. 
They're eating a little bit of 

546
00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:51,360
this one, a little bit of that 
one, a little bit of that one 

547
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:52,600
because they have this intrinsic
knowledge. 

548
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,720
OK, that plant has this defense 
chemical. 

549
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,440
My body can handle this much of 
it. 

550
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,120
That plant has this defense 
chemical and this plant has this

551
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:00,800
defense chemical. 
So that this is what animals do.

552
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,120
They graze. 
They don't just need one single 

553
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:05,960
species of food. 
Like, like we shouldn't, you 

554
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,920
know, we're not going to be good
if we just eat kale. 

555
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,480
So they're, they're very smart 
about this and they even 

556
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,640
appreciate that there are 
defense chemicals and food. 

557
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,960
So yeah, it's, it's a, it's a 
nuanced thing. 

558
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,640
I don't think everyone needs to 
cut out vegetables, but for some

559
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:20,480
people it's very. 
Helpful. 

560
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:21,520
Yeah, it's something to play 
with. 

561
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:22,920
Yeah. 
And I've known a lot of people 

562
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,280
who have had autoimmune 
conditions that have gone 

563
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,880
straight carnivore, not 
permanently, but for a period of

564
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,400
time, and have experienced a lot
of relief from that. 

565
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,920
Tell us just quickly, like where
you've landed now, diet wise, 

566
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,600
what you eat. 
Like maybe just a brief snapshot

567
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,120
of like what you eat in a 
typical day. 

568
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,640
Yeah. 
So broadly, I eat meat. 

569
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,440
I mostly eat grass fed beef. 
That's almost all the meat that 

570
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,360
I eat. 
I don't eat fish because for me 

571
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,120
it's not worth it because of the
heavy metals, the PFAS, the 

572
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:56,480
forever chemicals, and the 
microplastics. 

573
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,520
I like fish, but I just don't 
choose to eat it. 

574
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,280
So I think fish is good for 
humans. 

575
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,800
If you eat a lot of fish, just 
check your heavy metals, right? 

576
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,560
I just find red meat to be more 
enjoyable than chicken. 

577
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,520
So I don't eat a lot of chicken.
So but I eat meat. 

578
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,440
I eat fruit, organic fruit that 
I can find hopefully locally or 

579
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,440
in season. 
But one of the things I like 

580
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,840
about being in the States is I 
can get cherries. 

581
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,480
I don't get cherries in Costa 
Rica and they're one of my 

582
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,480
favorite foods. 
So I eat a lot of cherries. 

583
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,320
I eat berries in season that are
organic. 

584
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,600
I eat squash. 
I like spaghetti squash. 

585
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,880
I like about to squash. 
I eat raw dairy. 

586
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,520
So hopefully I can get raw goat 
milk or raw cow's milk. 

587
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,960
And then I have animal fat. 
And then I have salt and. 

588
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,160
Pretty much it. 
I feel like that is kind of 

589
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,680
there's everything you need 
there and that's pretty much how

590
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,960
I try to eat as well. 
I do have some some nuts and 

591
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,880
seeds, some chocolate sometimes,
but for the most part, I notice 

592
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,800
that I do feel the best when I'm
eating the animal based type of 

593
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:53,360
diet that you just described. 
So this podcast is kind of 

594
00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:55,280
fresh. 
We're still like under a year 

595
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,680
and we haven't really gotten 
into commonly accepted drugs 

596
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,080
like coffee, alcohol, topics 
like that. 

597
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,520
I know you just came out with a 
coffee, but you don't drink it 

598
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,760
yourself, No. 
Can you explain why you decided 

599
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,920
to come out with a product that 
you don't personally consume? 

600
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,280
You said you drink coffee. 
I do. 

601
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,480
Jimmy over there drinks coffee. 
Martin from my team drinks 

602
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,320
coffee. 
How many on your team drink? 

603
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,880
You guys who drinks coffee? 
Everyone's. 

604
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,400
Raised 100% of people over here.
100% OK, OK, so that's why I 

605
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,240
made a coffee. 
Everyone on my team drinks 

606
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,400
coffee and everyone I know 
drinks coffee. 

607
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,840
My girlfriend drinks coffee 
outlier, right? 

608
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,680
And so I was like, look, I'm 
going to make a good coffee. 

609
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:38,080
This is kind of the the the 
benefit of of building companies

610
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,640
like lineage, right, is that I 
get to have agency with vision 

611
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,560
aligned business partners like 
Anthony to bring products into 

612
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,920
the world that are unique that 
don't exist for an audience that

613
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,800
is asking for them. 
So, you know, just because a 

614
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,040
bunch of people say, Hey, I want
this type of coffee or will you 

615
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,280
please make a meat stick with 
the some really good high 

616
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:58,720
quality grass? 
It doesn't mean the meat stick 

617
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,480
can exist unless there's the 
people that can like bring the 

618
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,600
project together, right, because
it may not be viable and might 

619
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:04,760
not be able to reach enough 
people. 

620
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,040
This is what's awesome about 
what you do is that you've been 

621
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,440
able to create products that 
people are asking for in a way 

622
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,080
that they they didn't exist 
before you made them. 

623
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,400
So this is actually like, I feel
like this is art, you know, 

624
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,720
making things for people that 
they benefit from. 

625
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,840
This is what we do, and I feel 
really good about that. 

626
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,240
I'm really proud of what we've 
done at lineage. 

627
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,040
And you guys, I'm sure are 
really proud of what you do with

628
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,240
your stuff. 
And you should be because it's 

629
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,880
very, very intentionally built. 
And that's that's very beautiful

630
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,280
for people to receive. 
And so with coffee, it was like,

631
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,240
OK, if I were going to drink 
coffee, which I probably never 

632
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,160
will, I have. 
Have you tried it? 

633
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,240
I have had coffee. 
I tried a little bit of our 

634
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,440
coffee, OK, just to try it. 
But the last time that I had 

635
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,360
coffee before that was probably 
20 plus years ago. 

636
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:44,760
Wow. 
When I was in PA school. 

637
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,280
So before I went to medical 
school, I went to PA. 

638
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,360
School and were you like 
addicted to coffee back then or 

639
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,920
just never sat well with you I. 
It definitely made me feel kind 

640
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,400
of hyped up, but I just didn't 
like the jittery things of it. 

641
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,600
It's like my husband, he doesn't
drink any caffeine. 

642
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,040
Yeah, I mean, I think for some 
people it's not great, but if 

643
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,360
you make a coffee, make it 
organic, make it shade grown 

644
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,720
regenerative, test it for mold 
and test it for pesticides. 

645
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,480
And so that's what we did. 
And so I wanted to make like a 

646
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,440
really good high quality coffee.
That's that's kind of what we do

647
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,320
at Lineage. 
Like, it's not interesting to me

648
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,440
to make something unless it's 
very cool and very unique and 

649
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:19,840
very high quality. 
That's what we want to do. 

650
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,360
So that's why I did it. 
And I think people loved it. 

651
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:22,520
I think it's sold out on the 
first day. 

652
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:23,400
Wow. 
Yeah. 

653
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,840
I don't know. 
You need to get more coffee in 

654
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,200
stock. 
What about alcohol? 

655
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,160
Do you think alcohol is OK in 
moderation or should people 

656
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,120
avoid it completely? 
I mean, life is worth living, 

657
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,640
right? 
I don't drink alcohol. 

658
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,280
I have had alcohol within my 
life, but never to excess. 

659
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,200
I've I don't really remember the
last time people ask me. 

660
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,320
Sometimes I do remember the last
time I had half a beer was my 

661
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,520
first year of medical school. 
Wow. 

662
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,360
So that was many years ago and I
was running for class president.

663
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,560
Incidentally, I lost, but I was 
running for class president. 

664
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,080
I was at a bar with people in 
the class and I was just kind of

665
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,320
hanging out and I had half a 
beer. 

666
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,400
That was the last time, so 
probably close to 20 years ago 

667
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,240
that I had a beer. 
I don't miss it in my life. 

668
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,360
I feel like when I try and frame
the alcohol conversation, I just

669
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,480
think that most people, I think 
everyone is smart enough, good 

670
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,680
looking enough, charismatic 
enough to have friends talk to 

671
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,320
people in bars without alcohol. 
Like people just need to know 

672
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,560
that you're good enough without 
alcohol and it's not great for 

673
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,240
you. 
We know that even 1 drink a day 

674
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,560
averaged over a week thins the 
neocortex of the brain. 

675
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,080
It's just not great for us as 
humans. 

676
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,200
So there's these competing ideas
that like, oh, you should drink 

677
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,160
a glass of wine per night and 
then, well, well, one drink a 

678
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,440
day thins the neocortex. 
So I see alcohol is like from 

679
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,160
zero to 1. 
It's a toxin. 

680
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,840
Like any amount of alcohol is 
toxic. 

681
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,800
For all those studies about like
the antioxidants and red wine 

682
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,600
and the heart health benefits 
were those funded by the alcohol

683
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:52,760
industry. 
I don't know who they were 

684
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,200
funded I. 
Heard something about that they.

685
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,120
May have been, I mean, but look,
it's like foods are complex, 

686
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,120
right? 
And something can be have good 

687
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,720
qualities for us and bad 
qualities for us simultaneously,

688
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:03,920
right. 
So we just have to kind of weigh

689
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:11,240
them. 
You can't not be authentic, like

690
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,560
you're such an authentic person 
that you say what you mean and 

691
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,160
you're not like thinking like 
how's this going to be 

692
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,880
perceived? 
Like you can just tell that 

693
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,320
you're just yourself and that's 
like super rare and awesome. 

694
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,000
I mean, I really think honesty 
is a lot lost our in our 

695
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:31,040
society. 
And I think, you know, a lot of 

696
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,280
how I live my life, it comes 
from the Bible. 

697
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,600
Like, you know, for example, 
thou shall not lie like that is 

698
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,440
a commandment because when you 
lie, it destroys your life and 

699
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,080
it destroys that connection with
the people around you. 

700
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,160
And so trying to live as honest 
as I can, I think it is really 

701
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,360
important. 
Granted, I know there's 

702
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:57,120
sometimes when you kind of like,
I just like not go there when 

703
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,560
you have some confrontation with
someone because like there's 

704
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,520
likely just no working through 
it. 

705
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,280
But I don't know, I think there 
can be wisdom and not to 

706
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,480
sometimes, sometimes. 
And granted, like my 

707
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,360
sister-in-law sent me a Bible 
verse recently and it was like 

708
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,680
with your brother, like work 
out, you know, try to work 

709
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,560
through your conflict to the 
best that you can. 

710
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,920
You know, I forget the exact 
verse. 

711
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,880
I don't have that memorized. 
But yeah, I mean, like, I think 

712
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,360
lying can come in different 
forms. 

713
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,760
And sometimes it's something 
that kind of creeps into our 

714
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,000
life over time and we slowly 
start to just accept it as 

715
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,440
truth, even though it's not 
necessarily truth. 

716
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,080
And a lot of society wants to 
live by, like, my truth versus 

717
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,800
like, having some basic truths, 
for example. 

718
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,960
Let's get really nitty gritty 
here with some intense stuff 

719
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,880
like pedophilia for example. 
Much of society is starting to 

720
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,520
accept it as normal and it's 
actually really not good. 

721
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,720
And that should not be accepted 
as good and true and right. 

722
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:05,760
You know, I recently saw a post 
on Instagram that says 200,000 

723
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:11,560
people saw this and it was an 
older fellow engaging with a 

724
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,040
younger girl. 
She was 16, he was 26. 

725
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,800
Nobody mentioned pedophilia in 
the entire comment section. 

726
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:23,719
And I'm like, how is society at 
large normalizing something that

727
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,840
is not OK? 
And it's truly because we're 

728
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:32,280
losing truth and honesty and 
nobody wants to step on anyone's

729
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,360
toes now. 
Now because we just don't want 

730
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,639
to have conflict. 
We're conflict adverse. 

731
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:42,920
And so, yeah, I've just found in
my life, a lot of the bigger 

732
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,520
pains come from not being honest
and not being truthful and not 

733
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,080
being willing to work through, 
you know, some of the 

734
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,679
challenges. 
And I'm realizing that's not 

735
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:57,400
working. 
And yeah, I mean, I am more 

736
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,320
honest, I would say, but like I 
am also choosing to be more 

737
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:06,320
honest because I don't see the 
opposite approach working. 

738
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,560
Yeah. 
And it's, it's helping others 

739
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,760
when you can be honest and 
vulnerable. 

740
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,720
But going back to what you said 
about like when everyone can 

741
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:20,320
define what their own truth is, 
that could that can lead to such

742
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,480
a dangerous place right in 
society. 

743
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,480
Like, rather than acknowledging 
that there is absolute truth. 

744
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,000
And for me personally, I don't 
want to have to figure that out 

745
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,320
in every situation. 
I would rather, like trust in 

746
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,400
what God says is true. 
Yeah. 

747
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,000
There's just kind of no limit, 
no end to what is right or 

748
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,880
wrong, no clear answer to that 
when everyone is defining that 

749
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,080
for themselves. 
Right. 

750
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:45,760
And and that's the thing too is 
like, I think a lot of society 

751
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,960
at large too. 
You know, I had a conversation 

752
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,160
recently where we were talking 
about the lack of moral 

753
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:57,800
foundation and having a moral 
foundation as a society at large

754
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,960
kind of keeps everyone in check.
It like curbs where we're going.

755
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:08,080
But we are losing so much of 
that that we can't necessarily 

756
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,280
pinpoint why are things so 
messed up? 

757
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,560
Like why is there so many issues
in this, this and this? 

758
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:19,640
And it's because of this like 
watering down of moral truth and

759
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,920
that foundation that we so 
desperately need. 

760
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:28,440
And yet I believe that even with
that in my life, I still need 

761
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,800
God to like, hold me tight and 
carry me through like my 

762
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,480
mistakes along the way or the 
mistakes of my neighbors, so to 

763
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:41,440
say. 
And so, yeah, I just, we have to

764
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,000
fight for truth. 
We have to fight for what is 

765
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,960
good and right. 
And maybe that's simply by the 

766
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,640
way you raise your children. 
You don't have to be like out 

767
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,360
there on the streets, like 
trying to fight it all, so to 

768
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,520
say. 
But yeah, maybe it's just the 

769
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,880
way you do it in your own home. 
And, you know, I don't think 

770
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,480
it's healthy to also like, be so
politically engaged all the time

771
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,720
and like, seeing all the issues 
of the world constantly is like,

772
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:09,160
no one can really handle that 
healthily. 

773
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,040
And so that's why I like, let's 
come back to like, let's not 

774
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,760
spend so much time on social 
media. 

775
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,480
Like, that in itself could help 
our health so much. 

776
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,400
Or maybe it looks like training 
your algorithm to send you 

777
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:26,920
health content and like comedy 
stuff that makes you laugh and 

778
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,720
being like just in tune, like 
with what you're consuming so 

779
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:33,600
that you can like not be so 
stressed out all the time. 

780
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,160
And I love comedy. 
I feel like the older I get, the

781
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,560
more I just want to laugh. 
And like my husband and I've 

782
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,040
gone to a few comedy shows 
lately. 

783
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,440
We we saw Jerry Seinfeld was 
that good. 

784
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,320
It's so good. 
Like, and he's he's getting up 

785
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,800
there in age now, but he was 
amazing. 

786
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,080
And then we saw John Crist a 
couple of months ago, too. 

787
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:52,560
It was so fun. 
You would love him. 

788
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,520
Wow. 
I need to find these people. 

789
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,840
I'll send you some of his stuff.
OK, Well, I wanna close out with

790
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,720
a fun rapid fire. 
OK. 

791
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,960
That way, before we get out too,
can I just say it primarily 

792
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,440
appears deodorant. 
It's so amazing. 

793
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:11,080
Like you, I feel like the 
deodorant industry blew it so 

794
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,360
hard at the start of natural 
deodorant. 

795
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,760
Like when we go back like 15 
years to Tom's deodorant. 

796
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,400
Oh, it's the worst. 
That did not work. 

797
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,480
I mean, that's why that's 
literally why I was like, OK, I 

798
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,040
need to figure this out on my 
own because Tom's didn't do it. 

799
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:25,800
Right. 
Right. 

800
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,120
And it's possible. 
I know it's possible because 

801
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,200
I've been using just baking soda
and coconut oil. 

802
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:31,680
And that worked. 
Yeah. 

803
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,280
But I wanted my husband to do 
it. 

804
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,560
And he wasn't, didn't want to, 
like, rub stuff on his ROI. 

805
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,600
So I was like, I've got to 
figure out how to do it. 

806
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:43,640
And I spent so much time in my 
kitchen creating almost 200 

807
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:47,920
different versions. 
Well, I was just kind of on this

808
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,200
action project. 
Yeah, of course I wanted him to 

809
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,640
use it, but I needed to figure 
this out and finally had a 

810
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,400
version that I was happy with. 
Yeah. 

811
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,200
But anyway, I've been using 
that, you know, y'all's 

812
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,000
deodorant for like 10 years now 
or I don't know how long really 

813
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,280
you guys been around that lot? 
I feel like from very early on, 

814
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,080
like, yeah, we just always left 
your deodorant in February. 

815
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,160
I even like got a couple other 
deodorants along the way, like 

816
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,960
in a pinch, you know, when you 
run out of deodorant and you go 

817
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,040
to the grocery store to see what
you can find and they didn't 

818
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,640
work as good. 
So I always feel so bad, though.

819
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,440
I'm like, how many people tried 
Tom's deodorant and then never 

820
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,800
went back into natural deodorant
because they're like, there's no

821
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,360
way. 
And so now there's a way people,

822
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:31,760
there's good deodorant out 
there. 

823
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,520
Family, if you are deodorant, 
it's amazing. 

824
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,480
Well, thank you so much. 
I love that. 

825
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,040
I appreciate you saying that. 
OK. 

826
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:41,520
What is the most strange thing 
that you have ever done in the 

827
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:46,760
name of health? 
I mean, I think for most of 

828
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,520
society, like the enema scene is
a little too much. 

829
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,560
So do your off enemas. 
Yeah, we've been doing like a 

830
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,360
special type of coffee enema. 
My husband and I even got my 

831
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,960
husband into that. 
That's rare. 

832
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,640
He's like, he's deep on the 
health care and he's doing 

833
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,280
coffee enemas. 
I feel like, you know, a lot of 

834
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,240
mornings he'll wake up not 
feeling amazing. 

835
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:12,040
And I think he has some like, 
adrenal fatigue stuff going on. 

836
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,000
And so we're trying to problem 
solve, you know. 

837
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,760
Have you done coffee for 
Colonic? 

838
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,920
Cover I actually, well, we just 
did a big old parasite cleanse, 

839
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,920
which was super fun. 
And so we were doing, we did 2 

840
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,560
enemas a day. 
We're doing 1 coffee and one 

841
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,800
ozone, ozone water. 
Amazing. 

842
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,680
Like I felt so good. 
Like that's so funny. 

843
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:34,360
I was literally, I was showing 
my daughter these questions. 

844
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,440
I was like, here's the rapid 
fire. 

845
00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:38,120
So I was like, what do you think
she's going to say for the 

846
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,560
strangest health thing? 
Yeah, she was, she said coffee 

847
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,760
enemas and ozone. 
I was like, I don't think she's 

848
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,520
doing ozone. 
I don't know if she's that. 

849
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,520
Well, it's funny, decent 
Breakers gave us a ozone 

850
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,280
machine. 
I'm like, OK, fine, we gotta use

851
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,200
it like still. 
So we got this cuz they were 

852
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,720
moving a lot and they got really
one generator too, but I feel 

853
00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:57,520
like that's super rare. 
Yeah, capability. 

854
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,280
So we got that. 
I actually feel like I need to 

855
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,760
be using it more like drinking 
ozone water or something. 

856
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:08,560
But yeah, so we've been doing 
that and the parasite cleanse 

857
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,800
was really interesting. 
I've been wanting to do one for 

858
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,400
like 5 plus years, but I kept 
having babies. 

859
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:20,080
So I hadn't been, I didn't do it
until finally I caved and I was 

860
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,240
like, I have to do it now. 
Which one did you do? 

861
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,160
I did. 
What was it the sanctuary 

862
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,680
Wellness? 
OK, it was, you know, for 

863
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,160
example, it was all plant based,
which I'm not big on that, but I

864
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,680
just cheated a little and did 
the mother lode of bone broth 

865
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,360
throughout it because I wanted 
to make sure I was still getting

866
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:44,080
protein and a lot came out. 
I didn't like I'm not really 

867
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,880
good at picking out the 
parasites, but I had something 

868
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:52,560
called what was it a roundworm 
or it was like AI forget the 

869
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,320
name. 
It's like a roundworm, but it's 

870
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,400
not an actual parasite, but it's
like a toxic build up and they 

871
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,680
become these like hard long worm
like wow, toxic. 

872
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,840
It's filled with all different 
types of toxins and they're just

873
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,640
sitting in your gut. 
I like I lost like 5 lbs of gut 

874
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:08,720
matter. 
Wow. 

875
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,960
In that cleanse. 
So now I think I'm going to do 

876
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,720
it like at least once a year. 
Do you have a guilty pleasure? 

877
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,080
I would say like Newman's Oreos.
Yeah. 

878
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,320
Yeah. 
I mean, Simple Mills ones. 

879
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,960
Oh, are they? 
I don't know if we have, maybe 

880
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,040
we have. 
They're like gluten free, 

881
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,000
coconut sugar. 
Are they like seed oil free? 

882
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,840
Because the Newman's have seed 
oils in them and we'll still eat

883
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,160
them every now and then. 
I've got, I can't remember. 

884
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,520
Some Simple Mills stuff does the
sunflower oil, but I feel like 

885
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,680
these ones might not not I'm not
positive though. 

886
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,800
Yeah, I feel like a lot of my 
guilty pleasures are like ice 

887
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,160
cream before bedtime. 
I don't even think it's that bad

888
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,360
actually, because when I went 
through that season of adrenal 

889
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:58,840
fatigue and kind of like running
on cortisol, one of the things 

890
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,680
that helped me was eating a 
bedtime snack. 

891
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,480
So I started having like cheese 
and fruit or milk and honey or 

892
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:10,320
ice cream and like some, some 
sort of protein and that helped 

893
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,880
me start sleeping better and not
like waking up wide awake at two

894
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,440
or three in the morning. 
And so, you know, that's 

895
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,680
something that's not celebrated 
like eating right before 

896
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,240
bedtime. 
But that literally helps change 

897
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,600
my reality from going from like 
waking up wide awake at two or 

898
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,960
three in the morning for an hour
or two to like being able to 

899
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,600
sleep through that window. 
I might, like, wrestle a little,

900
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,560
but yeah, you know, that's why I
said like, sometimes you have to

901
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,000
do what isn't actually popular. 
So eating right before you go to

902
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,960
bed is super unpopular. 
But that helped me in that 

903
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,040
season where I was like super 
fried and my adrenals were 

904
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,200
thrashed. 
And that came from the pro 

905
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,560
metabolic community. 
And some of the advice I'd 

906
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,080
received, like I did like a live
blood analysis and a hair 

907
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,040
mineral test and just kind of 
looked in on things. 

908
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,160
And there is just a lot going on
in my gut too. 

909
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,280
But slow and pull, Fast forward,
we're slowly cleaning things up.

910
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaking of foundational things,
sunshine is something I think of

911
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,440
as being very foundational, but 
it's something that we are 

912
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,720
taught to either be afraid of or
avoid. 

913
00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:23,920
But what are we missing out on 
when we don't get enough natural

914
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,840
sunlight? 
This is also another cornerstone

915
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:31,000
of being human, right and being 
part of nature's ecosystem. 

916
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:36,240
Sunlight, our father son is, is 
literally the, the connection to

917
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:40,600
rebuild every biochemical 
process in the human body and to

918
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,880
turn on the innate immune system
and to activate every 

919
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,520
neurotransmitter and to build, 
you know, faculty after faculty 

920
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,000
after faculty that, you know, 
everyone asks me, what's your, 

921
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,680
what's your sleep ritual like? 
You know what, how important is 

922
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,200
that? 
And I, I'm sleep hygiene is huge

923
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,960
in our home. 
Sleep comes number one, right? 

924
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,120
But your sleep begins on the 
rise, right? 

925
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,920
And if you are not waking up to 
your own accord, meaning you 

926
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,440
don't have your own circadian 
clock in rhythm, if you're 

927
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,600
immediately not getting outside,
whether it's, you know, overcast

928
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,560
or not, the still there's, 
there's still radiation coming 

929
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:23,760
through. 
If you're not. 

930
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,080
Getting that window of light on 
your face, in your eyes, if it's

931
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,520
not getting your retina hitting,
you know the nervous system. 

932
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,360
There's all these technical 
parts, I won't bore you with the

933
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,440
science, but photobiomodulations
entering our system and is 

934
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:41,640
activating the nervous system to
turn on that starts a cycle of 

935
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,920
production of neurotransmitters.
Acetylcholine turns into other 

936
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,040
forms of phosphatidylcholine. 
These are what build cell 

937
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,680
membranes. 
This is what triggers the immune

938
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:53,240
system. 
This is what activates who you 

939
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:57,360
are and if you're skipping. 
That cycle, you're not only you,

940
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,120
you're missing out on all that, 
but you're not even in a 

941
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,960
position to manufacture 
melatonin. 

942
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,880
Melatonin begins on the rise. 
And so. 

943
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,000
What you're saying is your night
time routine, your sleep routine

944
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,720
starts the minute you wake up. 
That's right. 

945
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,680
Yep. 
And you can't circumvent that 

946
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,360
with, you know, pharmacology. 
You can't circumvent that with 

947
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,880
any technology. 
You can't do a, you know, vagal 

948
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,880
toning to super to circumvent 
that. 

949
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,160
All the origin story begins with
sunlight on the body, on the 

950
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,800
naked body, if you can, on the 
in the eyes, on the scalp, big 

951
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,080
muscle parts, all of that at 
least 30-40 minutes. 

952
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:40,080
Now, am I advocating that you're
in some Equatorial region not 

953
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,080
wearing sunblock from 11:00 AM 
to 3:00 PM? 

954
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:44,800
Of course not. 
That's the there. 

955
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,680
There is common sense that 
applies here. 

956
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,120
Also, everybody's skins a little
bit different. 

957
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:54,080
You know, people that are from 
Norway, they don't need as much 

958
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:59,920
sunlight to to basically photo 
biomodulate the D3 production, 

959
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,320
which is a hormone actually 
through the cholesterol of the 

960
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,400
skin. 
They're just genetically 

961
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,200
dispositioned to need less 
sunlight than someone who's from

962
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,160
more of an Equatorial region 
that's got darker melanin 

963
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,920
production. 
So it's and they're also more 

964
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,880
prone to burn, right? 
So it's really common sense with

965
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,440
sunlight. 
You got to get sunlight on your 

966
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,840
face. 
But I wouldn't advise summertime

967
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,680
in Southern California to get 
direct sunlight on your face 

968
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:30,800
from 10:45 AM to two, 3:00 PM. 
That's just too much of an 

969
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,040
insult on the on the skin. 
If you're worried about. 

970
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,280
You know, not creating spots or 
having discoloration or having 

971
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,120
sun damage. 
So again, it's everything is 

972
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:43,920
common sense and there's a 
dosage for everything to have a 

973
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,280
practical value in your life. 
I completely agree. 

974
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:47,920
I love that you mentioned common
sense. 

975
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,840
That's what I always say too. 
It's like it's a such a nuanced 

976
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,560
conversation and the answer is 
not avoided at all costs. 

977
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,080
Figure out what's right for you 
based on all of the different 

978
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,560
factors that you mentioned. 
Is there a correlation between 

979
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,640
consuming seed oils and your 
susceptibility to sun damage? 

980
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,760
Yeah, the, the evidence is 
clear. 

981
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,200
You know, if you have an 
accumulation of trans fats in 

982
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,160
your body, they start to get 
pushed out towards the visceral 

983
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,640
regions into the epidermis, into
the skin. 

984
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:24,160
And sunlight potentiates, you 
know, adipose fat turning into, 

985
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:29,000
you know, toxic inflamed 
material and that causes 

986
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,280
lipofuscan and other things to 
occur and can ultimately start 

987
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,400
leading more towards more 
dangerous pathologies and things

988
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,880
of that nature for me. 
Every time you look at a label 

989
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,880
or every time you got to go a 
little bit deeper than that too,

990
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,480
you know, you got to investigate
who it is that it's coming from.

991
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,320
And that's really, at the end of
the day, that's an act of self 

992
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,600
love. 
You know, I, I think all of the 

993
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,920
things we're talking about 
getting up, having a ritual, 

994
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,600
getting your spring water in, 
hanging upside down, doing your 

995
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,640
mantras, doing your breath work,
don't touch the phone before you

996
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,880
do all of that stuff, whatever. 
These are all acts of self love.

997
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:13,920
And I think it's it's unselfish 
to do that because you are doing

998
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,160
these things for yourself so 
that you can be a better version

999
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:22,640
of you for the people in your 
life and for the world at large.

1000
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,920
Hallelujah. 
Does anyone think it's selfish 

1001
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,920
to to do those things? 
I think some people think of it 

1002
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,680
as being selfish. 
And so they're like, I have to 

1003
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,920
do this. 
I have to, you know, get back to

1004
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,960
this person, yadda, yadda. 
But it's like, no, if you don't 

1005
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:40,360
take that time to charge your 
your battery, you're not going 

1006
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,360
to be able to do the things that
you need to do for others for 

1007
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,200
very long. 
I completely agree. 

1008
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,920
And and usually people that are 
so depleted are unconsciously 

1009
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:55,600
vampiric by nature, right? 
Exactly because if you're and I,

1010
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,920
and I know this, I've just, I've
been around the community, I've 

1011
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,400
been around different walks of 
people, people that are 

1012
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:05,000
completely depleted, mind, body 
and soul have no clue on what's 

1013
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,560
going on inside of them. 
They're usually in a, in some 

1014
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,800
form of escapism, right, because
they're just, they got to escape

1015
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:11,320
out of it. 
They don't. 

1016
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,680
Why they don't feel good? 
And those are the people that 

1017
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,840
are also reaching for things 
that aren't good for them. 

1018
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,280
You know, usually if you're if 
you're sick, you have autoimmune

1019
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:24,120
conditions, you have fun fungus 
infections, you have rotting 

1020
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,280
cavitations in your mouth. 
There's a lot of people have 

1021
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,800
this. 
Your complete microbiome is 

1022
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,200
dilapidated. 
That's the person usually most 

1023
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,440
of the time that is reaching for
something to just get him out of

1024
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,640
that mentally because they're 
they're sex. 

1025
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,280
That's also the person who's not
showing up for the next person 

1026
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,480
and who's unconsciously, you 
know, stealing energy from 

1027
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,520
somebody else. 
So, yeah, you're right. 

1028
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,520
We got to get, I guess, a little
bit more selfish so we can show 

1029
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,360
up for people. 
We need a healthy population. 

1030
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,520
Like, I want someone to be the 
best teacher ever. 

1031
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,400
I want someone to be the best 
podcaster ever. 

1032
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,200
I want someone to be the best 
farmer ever. 

1033
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,360
I want someone to be the best 
tennis player ever, best surfer 

1034
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,520
ever. 
Whatever it is, in order to do 

1035
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,320
that we have to be on top of our
game. 

1036
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,680
All the best versions of 
yourself come through a 

1037
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,960
committed practice of self love,
and that's putting it back into 

1038
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:21,040
the ecosystem of friendship, 
brotherhood, sisterhood, family 

1039
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,000
love. 
I really want to meet someone at

1040
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:28,200
a full glass because when we can
meet together then the synergy. 

1041
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,640
Is real. 
We're not talking about. 

1042
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,880
Depletion, depletion. 
We're not even talking about 1 +

1043
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:38,800
1 is 2 at that point when full 
glasses meet each other, it's 

1044
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:43,080
infinite potential. 
Every time I get with, you know,

1045
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:48,680
some of some of my cool tribe, 
we just, we're cracking codes. 

1046
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,600
It's we're not talking about a 
bunch of regurgitated nonsense. 

1047
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,320
We're not talking about the 
weather for more than three 

1048
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,560
seconds. 
It moves on to something that's 

1049
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,800
significant. 
And we also are able to 

1050
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,840
challenge each other to get into
places that are uncomfortable. 

1051
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,400
And that's really part of being 
human is getting uncomfortable. 

1052
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,640
Now, do I want to like make 
someone cry all the time or I 

1053
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,080
want to be on? 
No, of course not. 

1054
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,320
But you build A level of trust. 
And that's I think the point of 

1055
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,480
relationships to be that 
ultimate mirror. 

1056
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,080
If you're just unconscious 
together and hiding problems 

1057
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,600
together and escaping together, 
not only are you you're going to

1058
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,760
go down together, but. 
Your life's going to just smoke 

1059
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,080
by before you even know it and 
you're and that's a whole thing 

1060
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:33,680
too. 
Yeah. 

1061
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,560
That's good. 
And that's not to say that you 

1062
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:40,520
can't ever like meet 1/2 glass 
fuller and kind of pour into 

1063
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,960
them and bring them up because 
we all, we're never all going to

1064
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,320
have our glasses full all the 
time. 

1065
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,160
But if you put some 
intentionality into kind of 

1066
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,320
creating that baseline, there's 
a greater chance that you will 

1067
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,240
have more in your tank than 
someone who doesn't. 

1068
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,560
Before we fully move away from 
the sunshine conversation, I 

1069
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:02,040
have to ask you a question. 
I saw your Instagram post about 

1070
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:06,240
sunning your testicles, and I 
need to know more about this. 

1071
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:08,720
Is this something that every man
should be doing? 

1072
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:11,000
What are the benefits? 
Tell us. 

1073
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,440
I mean, I like that. 
That was epic. 

1074
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,880
Everyone always asks me that. 
Yeah, I, I mean like we weren't 

1075
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,560
designed to wear clothes, right.
Just like we weren't really 

1076
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,880
designed to live in buildings. 
We weren't designed to be living

1077
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,160
in temperature controlled 
buildings and light controlled 

1078
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,640
buildings. 
These are all modern world, I 

1079
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,480
guess conveniences that have a 
Trojan horse aspect to it. 

1080
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:44,840
And so if we can get sunlight, 
perennial sunlight into areas 

1081
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,680
that have been completely shut. 
Off from the natural world, 

1082
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,000
we're probably. 
Looking at some increases in 

1083
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,200
biochemical responses in the 
human body. 

1084
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:58,760
And so there's some good data 
around sunlight getting into 

1085
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,800
that area that increases kinesis
in the body, which then 

1086
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:09,800
increases hypothalamus, 
pituitary, adrenal access, you 

1087
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,920
know, follicle statin, follicle 
stimulating hormone and all of 

1088
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:19,520
the testosterone production that
really activates mitochondrial 

1089
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,240
synthesis especially. 
And that is really driving us to

1090
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:30,000
be at our peak. 
What do you think is the number 

1091
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:35,000
one cause of premature aging? 
Oh, I'm going to get a little 

1092
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,560
technical that let's just say 
aging in general, especially 

1093
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,600
when we're talking about our 
skin is going to be oxidative, 

1094
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,920
oxidative damage. 
And that's, that's like a super,

1095
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,040
I'm hedging that answer quite a 
bit because that's a very broad 

1096
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,640
answer. 
And oxidative damage can happen 

1097
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:55,560
from sunshine, it can happen 
from smoking, it can happen from

1098
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:59,040
poor overall health. 
So I'm going to that's going to 

1099
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,200
be my answer because it's very 
individualized as to what that 

1100
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,360
is. 
And but it all, a lot of it 

1101
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,720
boils down to that as the sub 
details this, it's oxidative 

1102
00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:09,240
damage. 
Yeah, that makes sense. 

1103
00:55:09,240 --> 00:55:13,360
And then just depending on what 
the person is exposed to the 

1104
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,600
most, like what that area of 
oxidative stress is in their 

1105
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,240
life, maybe it's different for 
everyone, but everyone and some 

1106
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:23,560
level is aging more quickly 
because of some type of 

1107
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,400
oxidative stress. 100% and it 
can be stress. 

1108
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,640
Stress can be the water you're 
drinking could be like all these

1109
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,600
little minor details can play 
into that, you know, and but 

1110
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,040
that there's a lot of other 
factors that go into it, even 

1111
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,400
genetic things, of course, but 
that would be the probably the 

1112
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,760
common theme for premature 
aging. 

1113
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,040
Yeah, that makes sense. 
OK, so starting in the 20s, what

1114
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,920
signs of aging do people in 
their 20s start to experience? 

1115
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,040
Yeah, Thankfully the 20s is one 
of our flatter decades when we 

1116
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,320
think of the curves, right, 80s,
nineties, 20s are pretty flat, 

1117
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,520
but 20s and 30s, twenties are 
setting up the 30s, we'll say a 

1118
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,520
little bit. 
So there's things happening that

1119
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,840
just aren't noticed as much on 
our skin from a structural 

1120
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:03,360
level. 
We're losing collagen and 

1121
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,760
elastin at some point, mid 20s 
and beyond, right? 

1122
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,520
For women, estrogen levels are 
still high. 

1123
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:10,880
Progesterone levels are still 
high. 

1124
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,360
For men, testosterone levels are
so high. 

1125
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,600
So sex hormones are wildly 
important to our aging process. 

1126
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,920
That's one of the reasons that 
things are a little bit flatter.

1127
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,160
Muscles are moving our skin. 
And you may start to see your 

1128
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,320
first little signs of wrinkles 
that you didn't have. 

1129
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,600
Like my 10 year old and 9 year 
old, when they move, they barely

1130
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,720
make a wrinkle at all, even 
though if they're really moving 

1131
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,920
because their skin's so strong 
and it can stand up to that 

1132
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:32,560
muscular tension. 
But you might start to see those

1133
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,680
first little signs forming in 
your 20s, definitely start to 

1134
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,080
accumulate some oxidative 
damage. 

1135
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,680
But one of the big ones is 
actually in the substructure, 

1136
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:40,800
right? 
So we have our skin. 

1137
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,600
It's the envelope that we're 
really talking about. 

1138
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,240
And underneath our fat pads, I 
always kind of say they're like 

1139
00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:47,400
pushing up. 
They're holding up the skin from

1140
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,680
below. 
And as you start to get the 

1141
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,080
first aging changes in your fat 
pads, you might notice a little 

1142
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,680
bit of loss of support on your 
skin, a little bit of contour 

1143
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,280
change on the surface. 
For some people, that's starting

1144
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:03,560
to happen in their late 20s, but
again, a pretty flat decade from

1145
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,080
an aging standpoint. 
What do you think about 

1146
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,960
preventative Botox? 
Yeah, these young, young women 

1147
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,840
who are starting to get 
preventative Botox in their 20s.

1148
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,440
Yeah, I'm a little bit more 
neutral about this in general 

1149
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:19,840
than I would say I am with 
filler with when Botox is well 

1150
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,680
understood as to what it does. 
Botox immobilizes or weakens 

1151
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,520
muscles. 
Sometimes it full on paralyzes 

1152
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,760
them, sometimes it just makes 
them not as strong depending on 

1153
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,720
the doses it's used in. 
But it helps to take tension off

1154
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,640
the skin surface. 
Like I said, when my 10 year old

1155
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,760
moves, you know, he's got a ton 
of force on there, but his skin 

1156
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,640
can stand up to it. 
If you do that when you're 65, 

1157
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,000
you're going to make a lot of 
wrinkles, right? 

1158
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,440
So you can, in the interim 
between those two, you can start

1159
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,440
to weaken or soften those 
muscular force contractions and 

1160
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:51,400
take tension off the skin. 
So when you get to that, from a 

1161
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,960
preventative standpoint, you do 
want to start before you have 

1162
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,320
significant wrinkles, probably 
at those little first signs 

1163
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,600
where like, uh oh, my skin's 
starting to lose this battle. 

1164
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,160
You weaken. 
It's like a tug of war. 

1165
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,000
You weaken one side of the tug 
of war, right? 

1166
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,400
But then you get into all kinds 
of other things. 

1167
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:06,400
And again, I'm more neutral in 
these. 

1168
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,200
It's a toxin. 
You're taking away some of your 

1169
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,960
natural facial expression. 
By definition, when you're using

1170
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,040
Botox, maybe you don't care if 
you can scowl and show that 

1171
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,120
emotion, but you're taking away 
a nonverbal communication and an

1172
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,640
emotion. 
And I would say the one thing 

1173
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:25,080
with the Botox and Botox is 
Botox, Dysport, ZM and Daxify, 

1174
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:26,880
there's a bunch of brands of it.
They're neuro, we call them 

1175
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,320
neuromodulators. 
The one thing I feel really 

1176
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,080
strongly about, and this is a 
very personal thing is if you 

1177
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:38,080
have a little kid, a baby, a 
toddler, somebody who a 

1178
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,920
predominant amount of your 
communication with them is non 

1179
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,720
verbal. 
I think you should not be taking

1180
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,240
away those that ability to 
communicate with them by 

1181
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,320
immobilizing these important 
parts of your expression, right?

1182
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,200
I think that the emotional and 
the non verbal and the 

1183
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,720
communication development of our
kids revolves a little bit 

1184
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:58,920
around, think of a baby around 
what they're seeing in your 

1185
00:58:58,920 --> 00:58:59,640
face. 
You're their mom. 

1186
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,800
It's your expression, right? 
I think dads too, I mean to put 

1187
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,960
that in there, but especially 
moms, if you have a baby, I 

1188
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,760
think you should be doing it. 
You should be doing it when 

1189
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,360
you're breastfeeding anyway. 
But even if you're not 

1190
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,240
breastfeeding, I think those 
emotions are really important to

1191
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,440
show in that animation. 
So my little lens and a total 

1192
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,040
side note, but that'd be the one
like I would say don't do it, 

1193
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:19,920
Yeah. 
Absolutely. 

1194
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,240
That totally makes sense to me. 
And you touched on the concept 

1195
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,600
of toxic load a little bit. 
This is something that we talked

1196
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:29,840
about in this world where we are
exposed to so many toxins, often

1197
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,800
times at a rate that is quicker 
than we can detox from them. 

1198
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,080
Does that concern you at all 
with Botox? 

1199
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,200
Yeah, I mean, and a lot of them 
we don't even know we're exposed

1200
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,080
to, right? 
That's a whole another podcast, 

1201
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:47,040
but it plays into that, right? 
So there is because it's your 

1202
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,920
toxin load is a is is 
mathematical basically like how 

1203
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:52,760
bad's a toxin? 
How frequently are you exposed 

1204
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:53,960
to it? 
How many other toxins you 

1205
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:55,760
exposed to? 
What's your inherent capacity to

1206
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,720
detoxify these things? 
Which is again, I know this for 

1207
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,920
my patients when they're coming 
in because I have their they 

1208
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,840
have their genetic profile. 
So I know how good they are 

1209
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,480
detoxing. 
Which is a total side note, but 

1210
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,520
yeah, I mean, you're, you're 
adding to that load. 

1211
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,800
Certainly we do have a way to 
break it down. 

1212
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,120
That's why Botox is not a 
permanent solution. 

1213
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,480
It does get broken down and it 
adds to that, you know, overall 

1214
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,120
load. 
So I think it's a. 

1215
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:22,160
It's relatively small in its 
dose to do that, but it is 100% 

1216
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:23,640
part of that mathematical 
equation. 

1217
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,160
Yeah, I, I'm seeing a lot more 
anecdotal stories now of 

1218
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:31,120
different podcasters, people in 
the beauty world that are 

1219
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,960
starting to come out and say 
that they have experienced Botox

1220
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,800
poisoning themselves. 
And so it's something that that 

1221
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,360
I'm just like always interested 
in, in getting different 

1222
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:41,680
perspectives on. 
Yeah. 

1223
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:45,320
I think that there's, I mean, 
little bit of a selection bias 

1224
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,200
for that for sure. 
We'll see what happens. 

1225
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,440
I think without them Botox has 
been around for a long long 

1226
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,000
time. 
What do you mean by selection 

1227
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,720
bias? 
Oh, it's very interesting to 

1228
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,520
talk about. 
You know, it's definitely you're

1229
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,840
going to get a lot of attention 
and exposure by talking about 

1230
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,520
something like that, but be 
difficult to quantify what that 

1231
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,040
is. 
And you know, again, some for 

1232
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,280
something that's been. 
Like what percentage of of the 

1233
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,520
population? 
What toxicity is, you know, and 

1234
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:12,720
what else is it paired with? 
What other mycotoxins or heavy 

1235
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:16,000
metals or things do you have? 
Like how does it fit into that? 

1236
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:17,680
Again, that mathematical 
equation. 

1237
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,960
What's happening with it? 
What are your thoughts on facial

1238
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,840
massage for preventing wrinkles 
or or patches that that women 

1239
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,520
are wearing at night to prevent 
wrinkles? 

1240
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,840
Yeah, this gets into that kind 
of what's happening through the 

1241
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:36,360
decades a little bit, right. 
And facial massage is we know 

1242
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:40,040
that we're having degeneration 
or loss of structure of our 

1243
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,120
tissue. 
That's really what's leading to 

1244
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,920
the aging changes in our face, 
massaging the face, facial 

1245
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,920
exercises. 
There's a lot of studies trying 

1246
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,240
to look at if this is going to 
have any appreciable effect on 

1247
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,080
what's happening. 
And interestingly, we know that 

1248
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:58,240
mechanical forces are one of the
things that can break tissue 

1249
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,240
down or build it up depending on
how it's applied and what tissue

1250
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:05,200
it's applied to. 
So I think that it, I think the 

1251
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,680
jury's still a little bit, it's 
not going to not going to move 

1252
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,040
the needle a lot in either 
direction, in my opinion. 

1253
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:15,680
Same with like facial exercises.
I think that I think that it can

1254
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,680
make a difference if you do it 
very consistently in terms of 

1255
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,120
facial massage. 
I'm not facial exercise, I'm not

1256
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:25,600
as don't have experience with, 
but I think that it's not 

1257
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:29,520
something that you'll do and you
know, once a week and and it's 

1258
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:31,080
going to make a big difference 
for you. 

1259
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,960
But it does make sense to me 
that if you are massaging the 

1260
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,680
fascia and boosting circulation 
in that way that it would be 

1261
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,800
good for the tissue and like 
healthy. 

1262
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,280
Something that would really help
to do long term. 

1263
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,120
Yeah, there's a big confounding 
variable here with that. 

1264
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:48,280
And that is the what happens 
with the lymphatics, right? 

1265
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:52,680
That is where improving 
lymphatic drainage we know is 

1266
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,600
let's just say good for tissue. 
That kind of tends to be the the

1267
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:00,400
limiting factor for a lot of the
flow from, you know, it's 

1268
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,320
getting extravasated out of our 
blood into the surrounding soft 

1269
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:08,160
tissue, then cleared away. 
That's certainly an area where 

1270
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,760
even like recovery from surgery 
or recovery from life is 

1271
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,600
improved with massage, right? 
But I just, it's the long term. 

1272
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:16,680
What is that doing the long 
term? 

1273
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:18,720
We know that there's an 
immediate benefit to doing that 

1274
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:20,920
for sure. 
So yeah, OK. 

1275
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,360
I think another thing that a lot
of people in their 20s start to 

1276
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,600
look into are chemical peels and
photo facials. 

1277
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:27,960
What are your thoughts on those?
Yeah. 

1278
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,840
And so with chemical peels, 
that's another idea of a little 

1279
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,160
micro injury to the skin. 
In this case, using a chemical 

1280
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:38,120
to disrupt the skin surface and 
stimulate a response that builds

1281
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:41,080
a little bit of collagen or adds
a little bit back to like most 

1282
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:44,920
of our injury responses in our 
skin, create some new collagen 

1283
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,960
or as we get to better ways to 
create new elastin tissue, 

1284
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:49,400
that's what we really want to 
want to create. 

1285
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,120
Interesting. 
OK, moving into the 30s, I know 

1286
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,920
that is when I started to notice
a lot more visible signs of 

1287
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,320
aging in my skin, especially 
around my eyes. 

1288
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:03,560
Yeah. 
So what are what is typical for 

1289
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:07,560
people to experience in their 
30s and and what can we start to

1290
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:08,520
do about those? 
Changes, yeah. 

1291
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,520
Eyes are like one of the first 
areas that show it. 

1292
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,920
And anatomically, that's the 
thinnest skin on our body, right

1293
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,160
around our eyes. 
It's like 100 microns .1 

1294
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,880
millimeters thick, and there's 
no subcutaneous fat there. 

1295
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,360
That very thin skin lives right 
on top of a muscle. 

1296
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:25,320
That muscle is highly mobile, so
it breaks down faster, right? 

1297
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,800
That would be an area where 
Botox could help prevent that if

1298
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,200
it was used preemptively. 
So that would be where you 

1299
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:33,240
really see people or where I 
really see people seeking out 

1300
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:37,000
their first reaching out as far 
as like what can I do for this 

1301
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:38,280
from this anti aging 
perspective? 

1302
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,880
Yeah, I know a lot of people my 
age are starting to do 

1303
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:43,680
microneedling treatments. 
What are your thoughts on 

1304
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,760
microneedling? 
Microneedling is a great entry 

1305
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,720
point into skin rejuvenation 
because it's taking that little 

1306
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:50,600
micro injury that we talked 
about and just upping it a 

1307
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,920
little bit into some depths of 
the skin does a good job to 

1308
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,360
create an injury without much of
a byproduct. 

1309
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,960
It's better when it's done with 
growth factors applied something

1310
01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:02,320
like PRP that a lot of people 
have heard of a stands for 

1311
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,800
platelet rich plasma. 
That's growth factors that we 

1312
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,320
take out of your own blood. 
And the reason that it's better 

1313
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,200
for that is because of this 
little thing I mentioned before.

1314
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,240
This is going to become a theme 
as we move forward is it's 

1315
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:15,120
really easy to create collagen. 
Cuts, scars, injuries create 

1316
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,520
collagen. 
We really want to create elastin

1317
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,840
tissue. 
Elastin is a much more delicate 

1318
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:21,760
part of our skin. 
It's what gives it the 

1319
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:23,640
elasticity, as the name would 
imply. 

1320
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,680
It's much more prone to sun 
damage, oxidative damage. 

1321
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:28,760
It's harder to recreate it once 
it's gone. 

1322
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,080
And something like these growth 
factors when they're applied, 

1323
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,440
whether it's after a 
microneedling or after a laser 

1324
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,800
can up regulate the creation of 
this elastin in comparison to 

1325
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:38,720
collagen. 
That was what I was going to ask

1326
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,120
you about. 
So do you think that these these

1327
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:45,240
treatments like microneedling or
lasers that create these little 

1328
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:48,200
injuries in the skin, do you 
think they can be detrimental if

1329
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,760
they aren't paired with a growth
factor of some sort? 

1330
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,240
They're going to be less robust 
if they're not paired with the 

1331
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:55,480
growth factor and you're going 
to get a different concentration

1332
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:59,160
of collagen to elastin, but not 
from a detrimental standpoint. 

1333
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,960
It's not going to pull from like
your skin's nutrient stores over

1334
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:05,280
time if you're like continuously
injuring the skin without like 

1335
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,360
helping it to repair. 
Yeah, you'll see when somebody 

1336
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,120
sort of overdoes it and that 
would be maybe on an individual 

1337
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:14,200
treatment standpoint versus 
repeating multiple treatments. 

1338
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:15,840
Our skins relatively good at 
regenerating. 

1339
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,360
It's wildly rich with stem cells
from our skin surface. 

1340
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,720
We can, for example, we can 
treat your skin with a laser in 

1341
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:23,800
a very different fashion that we
can treat even your neck and 

1342
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:25,560
chest that responds so much 
better. 

1343
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:30,040
So when somebody goes overboard 
with treatments, it's usually on

1344
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,800
those individual treatments. 
And if then they get more 

1345
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:36,680
collagen than elastin, say, and 
that changes the composition of 

1346
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:40,560
how that skin moves naturally 
because it becomes more 

1347
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,000
structural and rigid than it 
does elastic. 

1348
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,160
OK, and what about lasers? 
The world of lasers is so 

1349
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:52,280
complicated and confusing. 
Can you like breakdown lasers? 

1350
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:56,320
Like categories, subcategories. 
Yeah, this is a big, this device

1351
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,960
topic is huge, right. 
So LASERS is an acronym for 

1352
01:06:59,960 --> 01:07:02,320
Light amplification by 
Stimulated Emission Radiation 

1353
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,240
light. 
Those are light based things, 

1354
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,600
one single wavelength by 
definition. 

1355
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,000
And that wavelength has a target
in our skin. 

1356
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,760
That target reacts to that 
single wavelength of light and 

1357
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,120
we create an effect. 
It's usually heat that causes 

1358
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:15,800
that. 
Then we have other devices like 

1359
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,360
these micro needling radio 
frequency devices, right? 

1360
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:22,160
With all of them, I'm going to 
say if anything promises to 

1361
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:26,480
lift, run, don't walk. 
Run what? 

1362
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,320
About tightening. 
Tightening, same thing, the 

1363
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,040
magic bullet. 
We're not going to tighten and 

1364
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,760
lift and cause elevation, right?
There's these like micro changes

1365
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,240
of tightening that happened, but
that should not be the reason 

1366
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,920
you are doing these devices. 
If that's what's being sold to 

1367
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:42,520
you, get away. 
It's not going to work, and if 

1368
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:46,040
you're lucky it does nothing. 
If you're unlucky it's going to 

1369
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:49,160
damage you in that process in an
attempt to lift and tighten 

1370
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:50,840
right? 
Not a great idea. 

1371
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:00,360
So the question was, what is the
cause of inflammation? 

1372
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:06,800
And everybody was chasing food 
or air, water, all of these 

1373
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,280
things. 
And I said, you know, this is 

1374
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:12,680
whatever's causing inflammation 
is a universe. 

1375
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:18,560
It isn't based on brewberries or
it isn't based on because I know

1376
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:20,800
cultures that have never eaten a
brewberry in their life. 

1377
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,240
I know cultures that have ever 
eaten a salad in their life. 

1378
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,080
I know other people who have 
never eaten meat. 

1379
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,200
I know people who live entirely 
on all these health are sort of 

1380
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:31,080
still exist in all of these 
cultures. 

1381
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:36,920
So there's, there's something 
other there's and it all started

1382
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:42,359
in the 1950s and 1960s. 
I said, what happened in the 

1383
01:08:42,359 --> 01:08:45,560
1950s? 
What happened in 1960? 

1384
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,000
They caused inflammation to 
explode. 

1385
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:50,640
Because that's even a new term, 
right? 

1386
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:54,600
That term didn't exist in. 
The new term in 1960 and I 

1387
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,760
didn't start on any of this 
until the late 90s. 

1388
01:08:57,399 --> 01:09:03,640
And so anyhow, my objection, my 
mission was to understand what 

1389
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:08,760
is causing the inflammation and 
what, Why does grounding prevent

1390
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:12,080
inflammation? 
Well, I spent 30 years grounding

1391
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:15,840
everything to the earth to 
prevent fire in a in an 

1392
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:19,399
electrical environment and to 
maintain electrical stability of

1393
01:09:19,399 --> 01:09:23,279
operating and functioning 
electrical equipment and to 

1394
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:25,000
prevent static charge and all 
this stuff. 

1395
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:30,120
So it all was intuitively laying
in my background. 

1396
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,880
I didn't have enough background 
in biology to really make sense 

1397
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:37,040
of it until one day I was 
reading a paper about how the 

1398
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:41,240
immune system works. 
Normally, you have a pathogen in

1399
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:43,240
your body. 
The immune system recognizes 

1400
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:50,160
more specifically, let's say a 
neutrophil white blood cell, and

1401
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:53,960
it's automatically swims over 
and it wraps itself around. 

1402
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:59,120
It's kind of a Jelly cell, wraps
itself around the pathogen, then

1403
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:03,960
it releases like what we call 
reactive oxygen species. 

1404
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:08,880
So reactive oxygen means it's 
highly electrically charged. 

1405
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:12,960
The electrical charge is so 
significant it can RIP an 

1406
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:17,560
electron from the shell of a 
pathogen and destroy it. 

1407
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:19,200
That's how the immune system 
works. 

1408
01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:28,160
So what's happening is after the
oxidative burst, after the 

1409
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:32,360
immune system destroys that 
pathogen, if there's any of 

1410
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:38,200
these remnants of this radical 
leftover and it's only going, 

1411
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:43,040
it's electrically charged, it's 
what we call hot, it can still 

1412
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:48,400
do damage. 
So if there's nothing to if you 

1413
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:52,120
don't have enough redox 
potential or enough free 

1414
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:56,480
electrons to reduce that 
electrical charge on that 

1415
01:10:56,480 --> 01:10:59,600
radical, then it's going to 
steal an electron from something

1416
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,280
in the environment, which is 
another healthy self. 

1417
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,160
For the cell, it's just this 
chain reaction. 

1418
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:09,480
So it sets off a chain reaction.
So neutrophil after neutrophil, 

1419
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,840
damage after damage, it turns 
into a fire, what we call 

1420
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:17,120
oxidation. 
Oxidation means fire. 

1421
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,520
Yeah. 
So it's oxidizing healthy 

1422
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:22,880
tissue. 
And and if it gets out of 

1423
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:26,680
control, the immune system gets 
so compromised trying to put out

1424
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:32,440
a fire that it itself is 
creating that it can't take care

1425
01:11:32,440 --> 01:11:33,960
of the rest of the health of the
body. 

1426
01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:39,480
So what caused this? 
So me is very simple. 

1427
01:11:39,480 --> 01:11:40,960
I mean, it's just cowboy 
lodging. 

1428
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:42,880
I'm pouring water on a fire 
here. 

1429
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:48,280
I'm pouring electrons on. 
If I put electrons onto the body

1430
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:52,800
and the fire goes out and it's 
like talking and reducing 

1431
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,440
radicals. 
And so that was the big aha. 

1432
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,560
Putting out the flame of 
inflammation. 

1433
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,080
Yeah, I was putting out the fire
of inflammation, but I wasn't 

1434
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:04,480
using food or but anyhow, 
involved at that time was these 

1435
01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:08,040
diets and those diets, this 
exercise, all these things in 

1436
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:09,720
there. 
I said, wait a minute, exercise 

1437
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,640
creates inflammation. 
It's number one creator of 

1438
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,120
inflammation, this and that and 
so on. 

1439
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:18,720
I said, but it's OK, you know, 
everybody go so. 

1440
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:20,560
But I kept working through all 
of this. 

1441
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,960
And so that's when we start kept
doing the studies, more studies,

1442
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,400
but each study that we did, 
whether it was biofeedback and 

1443
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:31,800
measuring the nervous system or 
measuring heart rate variability

1444
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,240
or it did matter, we've natured 
everything. 

1445
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:37,840
But no matter what you do, as 
soon as you ground the human 

1446
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:42,040
body to earth, the body becomes 
flooded with free electrons. 

1447
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,120
Immediately right. 
It's almost it's. 

1448
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:48,440
You can measure that, yeah. 
And there's more to it than 

1449
01:12:48,440 --> 01:12:53,440
that, but for simple reasons, 
it's it's the body that absorbs 

1450
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,520
the energy of the earth, and the
earth is negative. 

1451
01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:00,600
When you take care of each off 
the earth, then your body 

1452
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,160
becomes positive. 
All these studies were about 

1453
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,600
validating the fact that if I 
ground the human body, it 

1454
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:11,480
changes Physiology, it changes 
functions of the immune system. 

1455
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:15,840
First of all, it reduces the 
radicals that are in the body. 

1456
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:19,320
Grounding works the speed of 
light. 

1457
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:22,960
You instantly ground the body 
and instantly you. 

1458
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:31,720
The body now has a reservoir of 
free electrons that are on that 

1459
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,160
can instantly go and reduce 
these radicals. 

1460
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:39,520
The inflammatory damage that has
been done over this years or 

1461
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:44,160
whatever is still there in the 
immune system has to repair all 

1462
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:47,880
of that and return it to normal.
But it's you have to put the 

1463
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:53,080
fire out before the immune 
system can clean up the debris. 

1464
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:55,920
Yeah. 
And once that's cleaned up, then

1465
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:59,760
it can go back to work and 
return the body to normal. 

1466
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:02,920
The only thing the body knows is
to return it. 

1467
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:04,840
The host is immoral. 
Right. 

1468
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,640
Yeah, I've heard you explain it 
with different autoimmune 

1469
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:12,320
conditions like Ms., in the 
sense of the when you start 

1470
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:15,320
grounding people, they get rid 
of the Ms., They don't have the 

1471
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:18,560
Ms. anymore, but they still may 
have some damage that needs to 

1472
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:22,720
be repaired by what the Ms. did 
to their body when they had it. 

1473
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:25,800
Yes. 
And I learned that because in 

1474
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:29,800
the early days, I mean, in the 
MSI learned that and Lupus in 

1475
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:33,920
the early days, because the only
people I could get to as 

1476
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:42,080
subjects were patients of 
rheumatologists who had lupus. 

1477
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:45,760
And Ms. said you've got to take 
care of, I can't do a thing for 

1478
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:47,960
them. 
You did babysit them for a while

1479
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:52,960
because it's pretty, because 
they all used to say, well, 

1480
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:57,520
you've got Ms. So all you need, 
all you can do is get a 

1481
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,920
comfortable bed, get one that 
goes up and down, get a big TV 

1482
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:04,160
and get comfortable because Ms. 
does not get any better. 

1483
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:08,280
This is just 24 years ago. 
So I started granting people 

1484
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:12,480
they started getting better. 
The Ms. would subside and 

1485
01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:15,000
eventually got to the point 
where I could take any woman 

1486
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:20,560
with Ms. and say sit down and I 
would put an electrode patch on 

1487
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:26,000
her hand, ground her to the 
earth and in 15 minutes her 

1488
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,560
circulation would start to 
pinking up. 

1489
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:32,640
I mean, her circulation 
improved, her respiration 

1490
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:37,120
improved, her oxygenation went 
up, her blood vent. 

1491
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:39,760
Now I knew this now, I didn't 
know it at the time. 

1492
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:46,080
Sometimes and all of a sudden 
she would feel better. 

1493
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:49,840
The pain would begin to subside 
because the pain, the Ms. is 

1494
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:55,000
tough because it's neutrophils 
oxidizing the Vylon sheath, 

1495
01:15:55,480 --> 01:15:59,240
exposing raw nerves. 
They felt painful. 

1496
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:01,400
Yeah. 
They can't even control the 

1497
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:05,760
muscles. 
But one girl that I grounded, 

1498
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,280
she came and driven them quite a
ways. 

1499
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:12,120
And she had severe miss. 
And I felt that I couldn't put 

1500
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:14,520
her in the study because she had
no control. 

1501
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:16,640
And she had bladder issues, 
supposedly. 

1502
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:20,000
And so we, I said, because you 
drove here. 

1503
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:22,200
So I'm going to explain to you 
what we're doing. 

1504
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:24,320
And I'm going to give you a 
couple things you can take home.

1505
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:29,080
Maybe a belly. 
So I set her in a chair and she 

1506
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:33,120
said she only could go only 1520
thirty minutes without having to

1507
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:36,560
go to the restroom. 
And I said because I can't do 

1508
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,640
that. 
So here about an hour and a half

1509
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:43,040
later, her tunnel, her hand was 
going all over the place like 

1510
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:48,120
this and she had to hold it. 
But 1/2 hour or so later it had 

1511
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:50,800
calmed down. 
Her pain had calmed down. 

1512
01:16:51,480 --> 01:16:55,720
Her color had changed. 
Her demeanor had changed. 

1513
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:57,800
She smiled. 
She was. 

1514
01:16:58,200 --> 01:16:59,720
And then she. 
Took 1/2 hour. 

1515
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,480
No, it was about no, over an 
hour at this time. 

1516
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:04,720
So yeah, then she did have to go
to the bathroom. 

1517
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:07,560
So I said fine. 
I took the stuff off and she 

1518
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:09,360
went into the mirror and she 
started screaming. 

1519
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:11,360
I mean, in the restroom, she 
said. 

1520
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:13,120
Oh my God, I look like myself 
again. 

1521
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:14,520
Oh my goodness. 
Yeah. 

1522
01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:19,400
Wow. 
And anyhow, so but through her 

1523
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:22,160
and a couple others, I finally 
got to the point where I could 

1524
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:24,880
take any woman with Ms. and see,
I don't care what your 

1525
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:28,720
situation, just sit down and 
trust me for a bit. 

1526
01:17:29,480 --> 01:17:31,120
It's not me, it's trust nature, 
you know. 

1527
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:37,240
And so I would patch him and I'd
say usually within 15 minutes, I

1528
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:41,080
said you no longer have MSI, can
actually see that in one minute.

1529
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:46,320
You no longer have Ms. because 
Ms. is neutrophils oxidizing 

1530
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:51,080
tissue around, you know, the 
myelin sheath and exposing the 

1531
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:56,120
nerve that's Ms. during damage. 
As soon as I ground you, the 

1532
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:01,160
radicals are being reduced and 
so they can no longer attack the

1533
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:04,320
myelin sheath, but the damage 
that has been created that 

1534
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:07,880
hasn't gotten. 
So you have to stay grounded to 

1535
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:11,600
prevent the inflammation from 
oxidizing any further. 

1536
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,200
But you don't have Ms. now 
you're in recovery. 

1537
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:19,480
Unfortunately, in order for you 
to recover, you have to be grown

1538
01:18:19,480 --> 01:18:22,320
to 24/7 until you return to 
normal. 

1539
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:27,040
I can't do that. 
Well, I'm sorry, but you can't. 

1540
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:31,200
It depends on, you know, anyhow,
so. 

1541
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:34,160
Your products to supplement. 
It's it doesn't matter how you 

1542
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:36,560
do it. 
Yeah, you know, I mean, you just

1543
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:38,240
do. 
It but it's possible to do it 

1544
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:40,520
while being indoors, while 
sleeping, while driving your 

1545
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:42,760
car. 
Sometimes, yes, you have to be 

1546
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:44,840
careful. 
It's like I remember one woman 

1547
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:50,360
in Santa Barbara, she had severe
Ms. Lupus. 

1548
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:57,520
So I made her like 100 foot 
cord, connected it to a ground, 

1549
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:01,640
electrical ground, and then put 
a cuff around. 

1550
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:06,720
So a foot band. 
Well, everything was made by 

1551
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:11,560
handbook and so she could walk 
around the kitchen, do dishes 

1552
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,800
and do things at home so she 
could always be grounded. 

1553
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:17,760
And then when she sat down, she 
was also sitting on a mat. 

1554
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:22,360
But she recovered. 
Protocol for any autoimmune 

1555
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:23,920
condition it. 
Depends. 

1556
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:28,760
This girl was bedridden pretty 
much and her doctor was the one 

1557
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:33,040
who called me within. 
Within 6-8 months, she was 

1558
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:36,840
driving a car again and, and out
and about. 

1559
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:42,440
Nobody could believe it. 
And I remember one time I was in

1560
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:47,800
down in San Diego or something 
and she broke her wire and she 

1561
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:49,280
called me on the phone and 
panicked. 

1562
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:52,440
I said to come and fix it and I 
said I can't fix it for you. 

1563
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:56,360
I'm 300 miles away. 
And so, but she was just 

1564
01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:01,760
totally, you know, hysterical 
because she was so fearful of. 

1565
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:06,160
Because the pain will come back 
because she still has all that 

1566
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,440
damage. 
The immune system is slowly 

1567
01:20:08,440 --> 01:20:10,360
working. 
But I can also make that 

1568
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:13,680
statement about your 
inflammation related health 

1569
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:15,640
disorder. 
And that's a broad statement 

1570
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:19,240
because today there's over 100 
modern health disorders that 

1571
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,440
most people suffer from. 
And they're all what they call 

1572
01:20:22,440 --> 01:20:24,360
inflammation related health 
disorders. 

1573
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:29,080
Some manifest as lupus, some 
manifest as Ms. some manifest as

1574
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:32,760
cancer, some manifest as 
cardiovascular disease. 

1575
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:38,080
But these are all unnatural 
health disorders because 

1576
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:40,960
inflammation does not exist in 
nature. 

1577
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:50,920
You are under a personal 
injunction with the FDA not to 

1578
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,760
talk about raw milk or the 
benefits of raw milk, I should 

1579
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:59,040
say on your company's channels. 
But since we are on the Grounded

1580
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:02,200
Wellness podcast, you're able to
talk about raw milk. 

1581
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:04,800
Tell us the benefits of raw 
milk. 

1582
01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:06,960
The FDA thinks I'm really 
special. 

1583
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:08,880
They singled me out to make sure
I didn't. 

1584
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:11,720
They love you. 
Raw milk is the first food of 

1585
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,440
life. 
A baby is born, does not have an

1586
01:21:14,440 --> 01:21:17,600
immune system. 
The gastrointestinal tract is 

1587
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:19,960
basically a devoid of bacteria. 
There's no diversity of 

1588
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:21,240
bacteria. 
There's no food to feed the 

1589
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:24,040
bacteria. 
The Velcro cord is cut and the 

1590
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:25,960
baby's on its own. 
What's it do? 

1591
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:29,120
It goes to nurses from mom. 
That's raw milk. 

1592
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:33,880
And it is qualitatively, In 
other words, the kind of cream, 

1593
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:36,720
the kind of protein, the kind of
enzymes are practically 

1594
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:38,560
identical between cows and 
humans. 

1595
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:42,840
And mankind's been consuming raw
milk for about 15,000 years. 

1596
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,640
And so it's only been about the 
last 80 years where it's been 

1597
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,880
treated in such such a way to 
lose all of those really 

1598
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:53,120
important blueprints of life, 
those bio actives that are so 

1599
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:56,760
powerful and health giving. 
And they've just been not talked

1600
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:58,280
about in the pasteurized 
community. 

1601
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:01,840
Well, the dollar voting is 
talking about it now because 

1602
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,280
people are buying less and less 
and it's going a decline of 

1603
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:07,600
about two to 10% per per year 
depending on what market you're 

1604
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:08,760
looking at. 
Pasteurized milk. 

1605
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:11,680
Is pasteurized milk. 
However, our raw milk is growing

1606
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:15,280
at 1% a week. 
Unbelievable because of the 

1607
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:18,800
interest in this first food of 
life and the fact that what's 

1608
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,760
its job to build an immune 
system that did not exist 

1609
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:23,560
before. 
Remember, that immune system's 

1610
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:27,680
80% made-up of the gut 
microbiome, the bacteria and the

1611
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:30,160
food that feeds it. 
And the structure is the mucosal

1612
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:32,920
lining. 
And so when your gut is well, 

1613
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:34,720
you're well, inflammation's in 
check. 

1614
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:38,000
And post COVID, people are 
looking for that food because 

1615
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:42,000
they never no longer want to be 
caught with their immune systems

1616
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:44,200
down right. 
They want to be ready and 

1617
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:47,080
adaptive and resilient to the 
next threat coming through 

1618
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:48,960
health, not through some shot or
something. 

1619
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:50,320
Yeah. 
And so and. 

1620
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:54,520
I'm so glad that people are now 
thinking that way because when 

1621
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:58,400
COVID was happening everyone was
just had the mindset of I don't 

1622
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:00,160
want to get it, I just want to 
avoid it. 

1623
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:03,160
Like avoiding it rather than 
building up the body, building 

1624
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:06,360
up the immune system in order to
be strong, to fight, something 

1625
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:07,760
like that. 
That's exactly right. 

1626
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,000
But now people are are trying to
do that. 

1627
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:12,640
Yeah. 
Well, if you really look at what

1628
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:15,760
the immune system is, 80% of it 
is the gut microbiome. 

1629
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:19,800
And what is the gut microbiome? 
It is the diversity of bacteria 

1630
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:22,160
and the food that feeds it. 
That's what the gut microbiome 

1631
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:23,360
is. 
And the structures around like 

1632
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:26,560
the mucosal lining and stuff. 
And when you think about it, I 

1633
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:29,720
mean, hundreds of thousands of 
people with Crohn's disease and 

1634
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:32,160
irritable bowel syndrome and 
ulcerative colitis in the United

1635
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:35,080
States, that defines gut 
inflammation, which means you've

1636
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:38,280
got those three things missing. 
No good food, no good bacteria, 

1637
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:40,440
and gut structures are shot and 
inflamed. 

1638
01:23:40,440 --> 01:23:43,040
So it's a movement back towards 
taking control of your life 

1639
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,200
through whole food nutrition. 
And raw milk is the first freak 

1640
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,360
of life and probably the queen 
of the whole food. 

1641
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:53,560
You know, wonderful choice. 
Talk to us about the process of 

1642
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:56,880
pasteurization and how that came
into play in America. 

1643
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:01,880
Well, think about it, all 
through the ages, what would 

1644
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:03,720
Jesus eat? 
Land of milk and honey. 

1645
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:08,200
It was raw, right? 
Thousands of years, 15,000 years

1646
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:12,680
ago, mankind was able to stop 
fishing, stop hunting and stop 

1647
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:15,680
farming and have a domesticated 
animal nearby that you're able 

1648
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:18,320
to catch your milk from and eat 
today and take that animal with 

1649
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:19,480
you. 
As long as you had rain and 

1650
01:24:19,480 --> 01:24:21,240
sunshine and grass, you could 
eat today. 

1651
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:25,080
And so it served a very, very 
important domesticated 

1652
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:28,960
partnership with mankind for the
ages, for forever. 

1653
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:38,440
Come 18 fifties, 1850 ish, you 
start having people take their 

1654
01:24:38,440 --> 01:24:42,560
cows with them into bigger 
cities where they no longer had 

1655
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:45,320
green grass and water that was 
flowing down the streams. 

1656
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:47,440
It was clean. 
And you had the cows being 

1657
01:24:47,440 --> 01:24:51,240
confined and being fed Brewers, 
distillers, grains and other 

1658
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:53,160
trash. 
And there's no clean water, no 

1659
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:54,640
flushing toilets. 
It was filthy. 

1660
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:58,160
Typhoid fever, tuberculosis, 
tuberculosis. 

1661
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:00,000
It was really cold in the 
morning. 

1662
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,920
Your milk of the cow by hand, 
you put your feet in the milk to

1663
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:03,400
keep it warm. 
That's the kind of milk we're 

1664
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:04,920
talking about. 
It's disgusting. 

1665
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:07,800
And it became something called 
the milk problem. 

1666
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:13,720
Well, two pathways began in 
1893. 

1667
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:17,240
Doctor Henry Coit said let's 
clean up the milk. 

1668
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:20,000
Let's certify the milk. 
The milk to to have it continue 

1669
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:21,600
to flow to the Mayo Clinic to 
heal people. 

1670
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:24,520
But it has to come from farms 
with green pastures and it has 

1671
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:25,920
to come from farms with clean 
water. 

1672
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:27,840
And we're going to test to make 
sure that milk is clean. 

1673
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:30,640
They were using raw milk in the 
Mayo Clinic. 

1674
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,360
Yes, to treat people for for 
what, exactly? 

1675
01:25:33,480 --> 01:25:35,360
All kinds of things, you name 
it, they were treating. 

1676
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,720
They had a whole milk diet there
and that that that went through 

1677
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:41,760
the 1920s and 30s. 
They they were using raw milk 

1678
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:45,600
from the certified, the AAMMC 
with Doctor Henry Coit, the 

1679
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:48,760
American Association of Medical 
Milk Commissions for years at 

1680
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:50,560
the Mayo Clinic. 
There's books written about it. 

1681
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:56,440
At that same year, in 1893, Mr. 
Strauss brought in the par 

1682
01:25:56,440 --> 01:25:59,440
boiler. 
Well, this came from France. 

1683
01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:02,480
It was used to make wines and 
beers and alcohols and stuff to 

1684
01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:06,080
kill bacteria so that the yeast 
would grow and it was part of 

1685
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:07,920
the fermentation process for 
alcohol. 

1686
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:09,640
It was never used for milk in 
France. 

1687
01:26:10,440 --> 01:26:13,360
He brought this system in and 
poured all this filthy milk that

1688
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,640
they were getting from these 
downtown distillery dairies into

1689
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:17,400
this par boiler. 
He cooked the living heck out of

1690
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:18,840
it. 
But what do you know, overnight 

1691
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:22,240
40% of the people less died 
still had problems because water

1692
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:25,840
quality was so terrible. 
So they, Oh my gosh, a fantastic

1693
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:29,360
revolution. 
We have cheap milk in downtown 

1694
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:31,480
to feed people and you just cook
the heck out of it. 

1695
01:26:31,480 --> 01:26:34,240
So they just figured out a way 
to sanitize the milk? 

1696
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:36,480
Yeah. 
But it took to quote. 

1697
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:39,880
Off a lot of the. 
All of the good stuff. 

1698
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:42,400
All of it. 
Doctor Bruce German, bless his 

1699
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:45,840
heart, he's the the founder of 
the International Milk Genomics 

1700
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:49,640
Consortium, said pasteurization 
is an 18th century solution to 

1701
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:52,880
an 18th century problem. 
We can do a hell of a lot better

1702
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:54,760
and that's exactly what we're 
doing. 

1703
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:59,560
And so if the farmers have good 
standards or train of those 

1704
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:04,640
standards feed their cows well, 
do testing, they have a 

1705
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:05,840
completely different kind of 
product. 

1706
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:08,240
But if you don't care because 
all you're doing is chasing the 

1707
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:10,400
weight of the milk, it's going 
to go off your pasteurized and 

1708
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:12,840
all your neighbors dump the milk
in the same truck and who cares 

1709
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:15,240
what goes there? 
And the bacteria standards are 

1710
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:17,920
through the rough, including 
pathogenic bacteria in that milk

1711
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,160
because it's all going to get 
cooked with A5 log kill. 

1712
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:23,360
You have two different kinds of 
milk, raw milk for people and 

1713
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,920
raw milk for the pasteurizer. 
And we do raw milk for people. 

1714
01:27:26,480 --> 01:27:28,240
Entirely different proposition 
than raw milk for 

1715
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:30,480
pasteurization. 
So what are the health 

1716
01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:32,560
implications of pasteurization? 
What? 

1717
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:36,400
How does that change the final 
product and what it does in the 

1718
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:37,880
body of the person who's 
drinking it? 

1719
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:41,400
We all have Google look up the 
most allergenic food in America,

1720
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:44,600
pasteurized milk. 
When you kill all the 

1721
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:48,680
bioactives, you inactivate all 
the extracellular vesicles that 

1722
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:49,880
are there. 
They're so important to the 

1723
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:52,120
vital nature of this first food 
of life. 

1724
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:56,320
When you've destroyed the fat 
cell, which is now be considered

1725
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:59,160
an immune cell by some scientist
because it's all the traits of 

1726
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:01,280
being an immune cell, which is 
phenomenal, right? 

1727
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:04,320
When you destroy all of that 
through pasteurization, 

1728
01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:09,040
homogenization, supplementation,
back to fugation, Every other 

1729
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:13,400
Asian you can make up, you have 
a very allergenic food that does

1730
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:15,720
not have bio actives that help 
you with your health. 

1731
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:18,600
What you got is basically 
cereal, cereal lubricant. 

1732
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:22,480
That's what it is. 
And yeah, there's fat, yeah, 

1733
01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:24,760
there's protein. 
But the bio act is to help you 

1734
01:28:25,480 --> 01:28:28,720
like the lipids, there's no 
lipase to help digest the 

1735
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:31,000
lipids. 
The fats, the proteases are 

1736
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:32,880
missing. 
The the the peptidases are 

1737
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:35,200
missing to help digest the the 
the proteins the. 

1738
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:37,760
Lactose. 
Is missing the lactose. 

1739
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:40,200
Is missing the lactase. 
There's no lactase in milk 

1740
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:43,120
though, but the bacteria that 
makes lactase is in milk. 

1741
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:46,440
So remember, lactose is the milk
sugar. 

1742
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:51,440
It is a fantastic prebiotic. 
Prebiotics are food that feed 

1743
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:56,400
probiotics. 
So if we ingest lactose, if we 

1744
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:59,280
also have the accompanying 
probiotic bacteria like 

1745
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,760
Lactobacillus bacteria, 
bacteria, other colorful 

1746
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,600
colorful bacteria that digest it
and make lactase for you, you 

1747
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:06,800
don't have lactose intolerance. 
And that's what people take as a

1748
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:09,960
supplement who are lactose 
intolerant when they choose to 

1749
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:13,800
consume dairy. 
But it's all there already in 

1750
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:16,320
the raw form. 
In our community, we call it 

1751
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:18,440
pasteurization intolerance. 
Yeah. 

1752
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:21,840
The Maasai black is coal from 
from Kenya. 

1753
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:23,680
They win all the Olympic stuff 
because they're such good 

1754
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:25,360
athletes. 
They drink raw milk from cows. 

1755
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:27,640
They have no problem with 
lactose intolerance. 

1756
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:30,320
They don't have the lactase 
persistence gene either. 

1757
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:33,000
Those black people come to 
America. 

1758
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:35,200
They have a hell of a problem 
with the fact that we have 

1759
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:37,440
pasteurized milk. 
I know a guy, Maasai warrior, 

1760
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:40,240
his name is Camelli. 
I gave him 8 gallons of milk a 

1761
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:44,160
week and he got rid of Crohn's 
disease 8 years ago, but he 

1762
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:47,400
lived in Kenya. 
Go to the Mongolians and out of 

1763
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:50,080
Manchuria. 
They're all Asian, Chinese 

1764
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:52,080
people. 
They drink mare's milk, raw 

1765
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:53,800
mare's milk. 
They're athletes, they're 

1766
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:55,760
warriors. 
No problem at all with lactose 

1767
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:57,360
intolerance. 
They do not have the lactase 

1768
01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:59,640
persistence gene. 
Interesting, I've never thought 

1769
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:02,400
about that with ancestral 
cultures that rely on milk as a 

1770
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:05,280
huge part of their diet. 
Like lactose intolerance is not 

1771
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:09,360
a thing in those cultures. 
It's a current world problem 

1772
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:11,680
with highly processed milk. 
Yeah. 

1773
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:13,920
OK. 
And then something I actually 

1774
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:15,480
don't really have a good 
understanding on is 

1775
01:30:15,480 --> 01:30:17,520
homogenization. 
Can you talk about what that 

1776
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:20,520
process entails? 
The fat globule is a three layer

1777
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:23,240
lipid structure that's 
considered to be literally an 

1778
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:25,440
immune cell because it has micro
RNA. 

1779
01:30:25,440 --> 01:30:28,280
It's got all kinds of things in.
It's got bacteria, it's got 

1780
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:31,120
enzymes, it's got alkaline 
phosphatase, it's got the 

1781
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:33,200
butyrates that make butyric acid
for your lower gut. 

1782
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:35,840
It has dietary fiber in a fat 
cell. 

1783
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:39,760
My God, right. 
It's incredible how they send 

1784
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:43,280
that through a screen at 
extremely high pressure, 

1785
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:45,320
thousands of pounds of pressure 
per square inch. 

1786
01:30:45,480 --> 01:30:48,680
It's called a homogenizer that 
destroys that butter fat and 

1787
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:49,760
makes it into shreds. 
Wow. 

1788
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:56,160
So homogenization is a choice. 
It's not a requirement to 

1789
01:30:56,160 --> 01:31:00,040
destroy the best part of milk. 
Why would anyone choose to do 

1790
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:01,840
that? 
Because the fat doesn't rise to 

1791
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:03,800
the top anymore. 
Oh, so it's just a? 

1792
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,520
Back in the 1920s. 
Check this out, Bethany. 

1793
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:09,400
It's like, Oh my God, pinch me 
back in the 20s. 

1794
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:14,320
Remember that they would deliver
raw milk to your doorstep and 

1795
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:17,440
pasteurized milk to your 
doorstep and people would always

1796
01:31:17,440 --> 01:31:19,400
say, I don't want that one. 
It doesn't have enough cream on 

1797
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:22,680
the top. 
They'd buy the milk by the cream

1798
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:24,360
layer because that was the good 
stuff. 

1799
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:27,880
It was the delicious, wonderful 
life bringing wonderful thing. 

1800
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:30,600
Makes it taste so good. 
So they, the marketing people 

1801
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:33,000
said don't worry about the 
cream, it's all mixed together, 

1802
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:35,800
doesn't float to the top anymore
because we homogenize it. 

1803
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,400
And by the way, they were able 
to buy a longer shelf life as a 

1804
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:40,840
result too, because the fat 
wouldn't ferment as fast. 

1805
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:45,000
So it was a marketing choice to 
extend shelf life and not have 

1806
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:48,440
competition in the marketplace. 
And the other thing is you could

1807
01:31:48,440 --> 01:31:51,760
mix in other things and 
homogenize too, like dried 

1808
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:55,800
powdered milk, other things to 
make it have better mouthfeel. 

1809
01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:59,400
And you can keep the butter fat 
to make butter and make money. 

1810
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:04,080
OK, so you hide the cream and do
something else and say, oh, it's

1811
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:07,200
homogenized and you can take the
butter which made the butter 

1812
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:10,320
fat, which made money. 
So all about the money. 

1813
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:13,080
The more you look at this, it's 
not conspiracy, it's all about 

1814
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:15,080
the money. 
The conspiracy comes from them 

1815
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:17,040
trying to protect themselves to 
keep the money because they 

1816
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:19,200
don't want people don't want the
product anymore and all the 

1817
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:21,280
shenanigans they do to try to 
protect themselves from losing 

1818
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:23,640
market share. 
So now as we were talking about 

1819
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:26,400
earlier, the FDA, you're their 
favorite person. 

1820
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:28,720
I am, I feel so honored. 
So I. 

1821
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:31,640
Really am what is the motivation
behind that? 

1822
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:34,080
Is there? 
Is it just to protect the dairy 

1823
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:36,640
industry as a whole and these 
processes that they've come to 

1824
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:39,760
rely on so heavily? 
Remember, under the FDA's mind, 

1825
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:43,640
the only raw milk that they know
or that they acknowledge is 

1826
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:45,400
filthy. 
It has to be pasteurized. 

1827
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:48,200
I actually agree with that. 
I have no contention with that 

1828
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:49,080
The. 
Conventional milk. 

1829
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:51,600
Should be passed because of the 
way they've set their standards 

1830
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:55,640
up in multiple 8 generations of 
dairymen have been trained that 

1831
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:56,560
milk's dirty. 
It's got to go. 

1832
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:58,440
The pasteurizer. 
The pasteurizer. 

1833
01:32:58,440 --> 01:33:00,600
People love it because it's 
cheap milk and they can make a 

1834
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:01,880
brand out of it and do their 
thing. 

1835
01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:05,160
That's the only FDA acknowledged
milk that they have. 

1836
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:08,320
They will not sit with me. 
They will not meet with me. 

1837
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:11,640
I begged for 1520 years to sit 
down with to talk to them. 

1838
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:15,280
They do not want to acknowledge 
their own pub bed literature 

1839
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:19,520
that's archived at NIH or CDC. 
They do not want to talk about 

1840
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:22,280
clean milk that's tested. 
They don't want to talk about 

1841
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:24,400
that because if they do, that 
means they have to acknowledge 

1842
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:27,640
that theirs is filthy and it's 
dead and the most allergenic 

1843
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:30,720
food in America and mine's not. 
And they'd have to acknowledge 

1844
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:32,560
the European study that show the
same thing to be true. 

1845
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:36,880
So the FDA is literally burying 
their heads to the sand to not 

1846
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:39,640
acknowledge something that's 
true in science, which is 

1847
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:41,720
another kind of raw milk, which 
is clean raw milk. 

1848
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:47,200
Why is the FDA so beholden to 
these dairy companies that are 

1849
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:50,760
producing pasteurized milk? 
If you look at the FDA, the 

1850
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:53,480
people that work there came from
those dairies, came not those 

1851
01:33:53,480 --> 01:33:55,000
dairies, those processing 
plants. 

1852
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:58,160
And so they they're sharing back
and forth between the FDA and 

1853
01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:00,240
industry and they get golden 
parachutes back and forth 

1854
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:01,680
conveniently to protect 
themselves. 

1855
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:04,800
I've been at their conferences. 
I was asked said, if you want to

1856
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:06,680
change things, go to the NCIMS 
conference. 

1857
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:09,200
I went there in 2007. 
I went there, went to Florida. 

1858
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:13,320
I presented to their science 
committee and I tried to go up 

1859
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:15,000
to an FDA person to talk to 
them. 

1860
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:18,880
They ran away from me. 
Like literally they ran, Oh my. 

1861
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:22,760
Gosh, as fast as possible and 
went to the hotel room and 

1862
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:24,800
closed the door and I didn't run
after him. 

1863
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:25,800
I was like, OK, I'm not going to
run. 

1864
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:27,680
That's that's ridiculous. 
I went and tried to find another

1865
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:28,760
one and they turned their back 
to me. 

1866
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:33,240
So it is a absolute essential 
part of their paycheck. 

1867
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:36,120
And when it's a part of your 
paycheck not to do that, you're 

1868
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:43,360
not going to do it. 
Yeah, I think when we look at 

1869
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:49,120
sources, you know, fit mercury 
from vaccine or from vaccines, 

1870
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:52,840
from fillings, it was mercury 
vapor that close to the brain 

1871
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:57,560
and far more dangerous source 
than fish. 

1872
01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:02,520
So when you look at the number 
one sources of mercury, fish is 

1873
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:04,160
down here. 
So you know. 

1874
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:06,760
But it's like the media says, 
focus on this one, so you don't.

1875
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:10,800
See this one amalgam fillings is
was the highest like source, 

1876
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:13,440
right. 
And so and we don't even 

1877
01:35:13,440 --> 01:35:16,840
understand that even like lead 
for example, is it's what we 

1878
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:19,280
inherit from all that is 
actually the number one source. 

1879
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:21,920
And I, yeah, I would argue 
Mercury is up there too. 

1880
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:25,640
What we get from mom and utero 
is where we start life. 

1881
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:27,920
And then it slows down your 
detox pathways. 

1882
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:33,000
And now here you are years 
later, 20s, thirties, 40s, sick,

1883
01:35:33,440 --> 01:35:36,520
unknowing. 
It all started in utero, which 

1884
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:39,000
slowed down your cellular detox 
pathways. 

1885
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:41,600
Challenge them. 
Now your cells aren't able 

1886
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:43,560
efficiently to work the way they
should. 

1887
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:46,400
Then your energy starts to go 
down as a first sign, right? 

1888
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:49,200
And then your glutathione 
pathways, that's a that's 

1889
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:53,080
something that your cells help 
remove things, toxins from the 

1890
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:55,360
cell. 
Then your methylation, which is 

1891
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:59,400
what protects your DNA and is 
also part of detox, that starts 

1892
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:01,640
to slow down. 
And now you start accumulating 

1893
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:05,960
every toxin, the microplastics, 
the pesticides, the other heavy 

1894
01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:07,840
metals. 
And we didn't realize that it 

1895
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:09,640
was our exposure in uterus. 
But yeah. 

1896
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:11,520
So when you look at a graph, I 
think in my one of my 

1897
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:16,360
PowerPoints I show like, you 
know how these sources amalgams 

1898
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:18,800
vaccines and then down here is 
fish. 

1899
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:21,280
But this is what gives all the 
attention. 

1900
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:24,880
And you were you finally found 
out that it was Mercury when you

1901
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:28,160
did a challenge test and that 
showed mercury. 

1902
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:32,600
I should I have mercury LED an 
odd pattern of a lot of stuff 

1903
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:36,920
showing that my detox pathways 
were absolutely challenged. 

1904
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:38,720
Can you explain what a challenge
test is? 

1905
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:41,160
Yeah. 
So you're taking a water soluble

1906
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:46,640
chelator, DMSADMPSEDTA. 
Those are water soluble killers.

1907
01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:51,160
They work, but they come in, 
they pull, and then you measure 

1908
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:53,200
it on your urine. 
Now here's the thing. 

1909
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:57,440
Very, very sick people 
oftentimes show oddly low on 

1910
01:36:57,440 --> 01:36:59,960
that test even. 
And I say this to say there's no

1911
01:36:59,960 --> 01:37:03,440
perfect test because you look at
it like autistic children, they,

1912
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:07,360
you don't see anything. 
And that's now has become like a

1913
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:11,440
sign of that's a problem. 
So and oftentimes you ask 

1914
01:37:11,440 --> 01:37:13,160
people, how did you feel during 
that test? 

1915
01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:15,920
And they say I felt horrible 
actually. 

1916
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:19,360
And yet nothing shows. 
So you know that it just backed 

1917
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:22,000
up and didn't come out and 
that's a that's a bad sign. 

1918
01:37:22,040 --> 01:37:24,720
There's two people are typically
very hard to detox and you have 

1919
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:27,760
to work with them to get those 
pathways working again even 

1920
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:30,680
before you start to detox. 
So what I teach is you, there's 

1921
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:34,280
a preparatory phase, a prep 
phase before you go into a body 

1922
01:37:34,280 --> 01:37:37,880
phase, before you go into what 
is a brain phase, because what 

1923
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:42,120
is in the brain is years of 
accumulation and that's really 

1924
01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:45,840
what makes people really sick. 
So most of the detox in 

1925
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:50,160
alternative medicine right now, 
if you will, functional 

1926
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:53,120
medicine, is three months of 
detox. 

1927
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:56,400
And it's typically using weak 
healers like Cruella, cilantro. 

1928
01:37:56,800 --> 01:38:00,600
And it, they don't work, they 
make things worse. 

1929
01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:03,920
But to get it out of the brain, 
it's years, not months. 

1930
01:38:04,440 --> 01:38:05,760
And that's what people don't 
get. 

1931
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:08,920
And so I've spent a lot of my 
years being very, you know, 

1932
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:11,960
critical about the detox. 
We think it's as simple as 

1933
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:14,680
sitting in a sauna. 
I love saunas, but it's not 

1934
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:16,120
going to get the mercury out of 
the brain. 

1935
01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:17,840
You have to be very specific 
about that. 

1936
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:20,360
OK. 
I want to get more into into 

1937
01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:22,720
detox. 
I first want to focus on your 

1938
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:26,360
approach to treating the cell 
and why cell health is so 

1939
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:29,480
important for overall health 
because I've always thought this

1940
01:38:29,480 --> 01:38:33,400
like we are going to manifest 
diseases in different ways based

1941
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:35,400
on our genetics and what we're 
prone to. 

1942
01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:38,560
And I don't believe that genes 
are our destiny, but it's like 

1943
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:41,480
it all stems from the cell and 
people just show their 

1944
01:38:41,480 --> 01:38:44,560
dysfunction in different ways. 
And I love there's something you

1945
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:47,880
say that's you don't get well 
until the cell gets health you. 

1946
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:49,840
Don't get well, you don't get 
well. 

1947
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:52,720
Until you fix the cell. 
You, yeah, you won't get well. 

1948
01:38:52,720 --> 01:38:54,840
You don't get well until the 
cell gets well. 

1949
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:57,760
Until you fix the cell. 
OK, until you fix the cell, can 

1950
01:38:57,760 --> 01:38:59,600
you explain what that means? 
Yeah. 

1951
01:38:59,880 --> 01:39:05,600
So there's so much here, right? 
So when, as I was explaining, 

1952
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:09,040
right in the cell is where we 
make energy or mitochondria. 

1953
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:11,760
OK, So there's so much there 
because. 

1954
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:15,240
So the reason why people can't 
lose weight, the reason why 

1955
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:17,840
people don't have energy, the 
reason why people have brain fog

1956
01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:20,880
arguably is that mitochondria, 
and we'll talk more about that. 

1957
01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:23,160
But in the cells, you're also 
your DNA. 

1958
01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:25,800
So to your point, your DNA is 
not your destiny. 

1959
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:29,200
The old dogma was you have 
diabetes or a thyroid condition 

1960
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:30,480
because your mother or father 
did. 

1961
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:32,400
Yeah, we know that's not true, I
think. 

1962
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:34,640
A lot of people still think. 
That, yeah, because the medical 

1963
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:37,040
field still thinks that even 
though there's, I mean, 

1964
01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:40,600
scientific literature has 
exploded that that's been gone. 

1965
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:46,280
That is so old it's ridiculous. 
But maybe 1 to 3% of diseases 

1966
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:48,360
are purely genetic. 
OK, that's it. 

1967
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:52,000
The rest are epigenetic, meaning
you that gene gets triggered, 

1968
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:54,960
turned on. 
So when toxins start building up

1969
01:39:54,960 --> 01:39:57,360
in the cell, that gene gets 
triggered and turned on. 

1970
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:02,160
And that's a problem when your 
methylation decreases because 

1971
01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:04,000
toxins are building up in the 
cell. 

1972
01:40:04,280 --> 01:40:07,280
That jaw, its job is to protect 
that DNA. 

1973
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:09,680
Now it's unprotected. 
You trigger a gene turn on. 

1974
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:11,960
Now the good news is you can 
turn it off. 

1975
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:17,040
So, but the fact is, is until 
you get that cell working, where

1976
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:19,960
it's detoxing, where it's 
protecting the DNA, where you're

1977
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:22,880
making normal amounts of energy,
which determines how well you 

1978
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:25,360
detox, how well your brain 
works, right? 

1979
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:29,000
All of that is determined by 
what we do in the cell. 

1980
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:33,080
So you get sick by yourself, but
that's where the solution lies. 

1981
01:40:33,080 --> 01:40:35,080
So you won't get well until you 
fix the cell. 

1982
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:37,880
So that's why when people are 
doing all this detox, it's like,

1983
01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:41,960
well, look, unless you up 
regulate, meaning get active 

1984
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:46,000
again, what's broken the cells 
removing toxins. 

1985
01:40:46,480 --> 01:40:49,240
Good luck. 
You're not going to ever. 

1986
01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:52,840
You're going to be doing this 
sauna, this bath, this thing 

1987
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:56,640
that Yeah, but it's this, this 
is what broke in me. 

1988
01:40:56,800 --> 01:41:00,280
It wore down to the point of 
exhaustion to the point where 

1989
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:02,760
toxins now are coming out of the
cell. 

1990
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:06,880
And now if toxins build up in 
the cell, you make less and less

1991
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:09,680
energy. 
You see, it's, it's this, you 

1992
01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:13,000
know, this give and take thing. 
And, and the more the less 

1993
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:15,080
energy you make, the worse the 
detox gets. 

1994
01:41:15,120 --> 01:41:17,160
Oh, and the more inflammation 
happens and the more 

1995
01:41:17,160 --> 01:41:19,480
inflammation happens, the less 
energy you produce. 

1996
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:21,160
It just keeps going around in a 
circle. 

1997
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:25,640
But the reality is, is that if 
you don't fix those pathways, 

1998
01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:29,200
you don't ever get your hormones
working normal. 

1999
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:32,520
As a matter of fact, that cell 
will stay inflamed and inflamed 

2000
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:34,680
cell. 
Every hormone that makes you 

2001
01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:38,840
feel good stay thin like you are
your brain to work like it 

2002
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:41,440
should, right? 
To be even able to focus, walk 

2003
01:41:41,440 --> 01:41:44,000
in a room and know exactly why 
you're there, not why did I come

2004
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:46,800
here, OK, which brain focus? 
So many people, you know, this 

2005
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:48,360
is what they're suffering with, 
OK? 

2006
01:41:48,480 --> 01:41:52,040
Those hormones have to attach to
receptors that are right on that

2007
01:41:52,040 --> 01:41:53,840
cell. 
Like this little thing. 

2008
01:41:53,960 --> 01:41:56,160
Think of that as a hormone 
receptor right there. 

2009
01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:58,520
Thyroid hormone is just one 
example. 

2010
01:41:58,520 --> 01:42:00,280
I could be talking about 
progesterone, estrogen, 

2011
01:42:00,280 --> 01:42:02,920
testosterone. 
It has to attach to that, and 

2012
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:06,320
then it gets its messenger 
itself in that cell, and you 

2013
01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:08,360
feel normal, Everything works 
great. 

2014
01:42:08,480 --> 01:42:11,800
You make normal energy, right? 
Thyroid hormone works within 

2015
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:16,000
your mitochondria in that cell, 
and you burn fat for energy when

2016
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:18,120
you're not eating. 
Everything's great, everything 

2017
01:42:18,120 --> 01:42:20,960
works good. 
But what if something's blocking

2018
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:25,240
this receptor, damaging it 
maybe, And now thyroid hormone, 

2019
01:42:25,240 --> 01:42:28,360
even though it's normal in your 
blood, even though maybe you 

2020
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:32,360
take it and make it normal in 
your blood, if that receptor is 

2021
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:36,320
damaged and that can't get in 
that, it can't dock to that 

2022
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:37,560
receptor. 
Utilize it can't. 

2023
01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:40,320
Utilize it. 
So that's why it's very in vogue

2024
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:42,680
right now, especially in 
alternative medicine to take 

2025
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:45,240
bioidentical hormones and 
there's a time and a place, 

2026
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:46,800
especially if you don't have a 
gland to make them. 

2027
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:51,040
But fact is, is that most often 
we're making blood levels 

2028
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:52,880
normal. 
Matter of fact, when I was 

2029
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:56,480
looking for an answer, I got all
my blood work because I knew my 

2030
01:42:56,480 --> 01:42:58,800
thyroid wasn't working. 
But my blood work was still 

2031
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:00,600
normal. 
Now, maybe in 10 years, five 

2032
01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:03,720
years, it would have been not 
normal, but it was still normal.

2033
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:07,560
But what they didn't tell me was
my thyroid hormone, my cells 

2034
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:11,920
were so toxic and inflamed that 
it couldn't get to that 

2035
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:14,240
receptor. 
It's called hormone resistance. 

2036
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:16,600
We understand insulin resistance
meaning. 

2037
01:43:16,760 --> 01:43:18,520
Which is also a hormone. 
Exactly. 

2038
01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:19,440
Yeah. 
So it makes sense. 

2039
01:43:19,440 --> 01:43:21,120
I've heard you talk about this 
like I've. 

2040
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:24,240
But I've never heard anyone say 
this before, like describing the

2041
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:26,200
concept of hormone resistance. 
But. 

2042
01:43:26,440 --> 01:43:29,600
But yeah, I mean, if we can have
insulin resistance, we can also 

2043
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:33,120
have resistance to any hormone 
if the cell is blamed. 

2044
01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:34,160
Yeah. 
Absolutely. 

2045
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:38,120
So what are like, what is your 
detox protocol? 

2046
01:43:38,120 --> 01:43:41,200
You said it can take years. 
Is that typically the case for 

2047
01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:44,800
most people that they need to do
like spend years detoxing? 

2048
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:46,960
Look, you know, it depends on 
the toxin, right? 

2049
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:51,560
That they're major toxin. 
But once these pathways in the 

2050
01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:55,200
cell start to diminish, now you 
start accumulating all kinds of 

2051
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:58,320
toxins, truthfully. 
But some people can do the right

2052
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:01,440
my, what I'm known for is my 
cellular detox. 

2053
01:44:01,440 --> 01:44:04,760
OK, and I'll explain this 
process that I've developed and 

2054
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:09,080
taught for 20 years. 
But most, some people can do the

2055
01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:12,600
right detox 3 to 6 months and 
start to feel better. 

2056
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:13,880
Where they start to like, come 
on. 

2057
01:44:13,880 --> 01:44:15,440
Board right? 
Just depends on the bucket. 

2058
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:16,680
It's the. 
Yeah, exactly. 

2059
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:19,280
It depends on the bucket. 
Meaning this bucket. 

2060
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:21,040
And if we have two buckets, 
right? 

2061
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:22,920
This one's because she hasn't 
drank her shake yet. 

2062
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:26,280
This one's very full. 
This one's empty because someone

2063
01:44:26,280 --> 01:44:28,320
gluttonly sucks. 
Tugged it down. 

2064
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:29,120
I'm ready to drink. 
Her. 

2065
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:32,760
Oh yeah, I'm ready to drink her.
OK, now I'm not going to do this

2066
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:35,400
because it's too precious, but 
if this was water, I'd do if I 

2067
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:38,800
just put a little stress on this
person because this bucket's 

2068
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:41,080
really full. 
Think of this as all of the 

2069
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:44,040
physical, chemical and emotional
stressors and traumas that we 

2070
01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:48,000
accumulated from the womb, as I 
made pointed out earlier. 

2071
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:51,840
And this person, even if there 
was just a little bit of water 

2072
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:53,800
in here, I could stress this. 
Look at this. 

2073
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:57,160
No, you know, nothing comes out.
This one little bit of stress. 

2074
01:44:57,200 --> 01:44:59,160
This is where people are living 
their lives right here. 

2075
01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:01,440
This is where I was. 
And if you Remember Me saying 

2076
01:45:01,640 --> 01:45:05,280
when I got those amalgams 
drilled out, the mercury, my 

2077
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:08,480
bucket was already so full it 
went right over, you know, so 

2078
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:11,120
you know, that's when the gene 
gets triggered. 

2079
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:14,040
That's when when your bucket 
gets to this point, now your 

2080
01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:17,720
cells are just exhausted. 
No wonder your energy outputs 

2081
01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:19,880
gone. 
No wonder you start triggering 

2082
01:45:19,880 --> 01:45:21,480
genes. 
No wonder all these bad 

2083
01:45:21,480 --> 01:45:24,040
symptoms. 
No wonder all the inflammation 

2084
01:45:24,040 --> 01:45:25,880
increases and blocks your 
hormones. 

2085
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:28,040
Nothing works. 
Even diet doesn't work. 

2086
01:45:28,160 --> 01:45:30,120
People are telling you to 
exercise more, you can't. 

2087
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:33,080
You don't have energy, you know,
and all the hormones you're 

2088
01:45:33,080 --> 01:45:35,240
taking, it kind of works and 
then it doesn't just 

2089
01:45:35,240 --> 01:45:37,440
supplements. 
They someone's won't even get 

2090
01:45:37,440 --> 01:45:39,160
into the inflamed cell half of 
them. 

2091
01:45:39,160 --> 01:45:44,160
So blood levels not a good 
indicator of how you feel, even 

2092
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:45,680
if you make your blood look 
better. 

2093
01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:48,800
And I think that's why so many 
people are frustrated today who 

2094
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:51,400
aren't feeling well and they go 
to their dark, they go to their 

2095
01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:54,920
doctor and the doctor says, 
sorry, everything's normal. 

2096
01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:57,320
Like you must be imagining it. 
Absolutely. 

2097
01:45:57,320 --> 01:45:59,280
Did you face that same 
frustration in your? 

2098
01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:01,600
Absolutely. 
I mean, I they looked at me. 

2099
01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:04,960
I remember I spent $5000 on 
blood work, right? 

2100
01:46:04,960 --> 01:46:08,160
Hoping for an answer. 
And the doctor came out and 

2101
01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:10,320
that's when I ran all that 
mercury test too, right? 

2102
01:46:10,480 --> 01:46:12,840
And he was like, you're 
healthier than me, son. 

2103
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:16,120
And I'm like, you know, that's 
not what I wanted to hear. 

2104
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:19,200
If you told me, you know, we 
think you have cancer, I'd be 

2105
01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:21,360
like, OK, fine, let's go. 
You know, it's like at least 

2106
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:22,760
finally if there's. 
Something to fight. 

2107
01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:25,160
Something to fight. 
Yeah, That didn't happen that 

2108
01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:27,600
day. 
So, you know, my hormones look 

2109
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:31,200
normal, You know, just some 
things a little out of range, 

2110
01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:32,960
but nothing that explained my 
illness. 

2111
01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:34,920
Right. 
And, and today we're spending a 

2112
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:40,040
lot of money on, you know, 
different gut tests, snip tests,

2113
01:46:40,040 --> 01:46:41,800
these genetic tests and they're 
fun. 

2114
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:45,680
They're in, you know, but it's 
really not looking to why you're

2115
01:46:45,680 --> 01:46:48,480
sick, you know, and your genes 
don't determine your destiny, 

2116
01:46:48,480 --> 01:46:51,480
nor do your snips. 
I have the MTHFRG and that's why

2117
01:46:51,480 --> 01:46:53,720
I'm talking. 
It's way more complicated than 

2118
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:55,040
that. 
It's not so simple. 

2119
01:46:55,400 --> 01:46:59,040
And again, the reason you're 
sick is something has 

2120
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:02,240
accumulated in your body. 
It's about removing such as 

2121
01:47:02,240 --> 01:47:05,680
giving so you know, and then I 
said I would explain the 

2122
01:47:05,680 --> 01:47:08,760
process. 
So step one, what I teach is up 

2123
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:11,560
regulating all these functions. 
And we do that before we even 

2124
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:14,720
start detoxing because that is 
critical. 

2125
01:47:14,720 --> 01:47:18,680
And in that prep phase, we get 
the cell starting to work the 

2126
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:20,680
way it should. 
And then we strengthen all the 

2127
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:23,600
downstream detox pathways. 
We support the liver, the 

2128
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:27,120
kidney, the gut, the limp, all 
that needs opened up before you 

2129
01:47:27,120 --> 01:47:29,440
ever think about detox. 
And that could take one month, 

2130
01:47:29,440 --> 01:47:34,440
it could take 3-4 depending on 
the person, just, you know, by a

2131
01:47:34,440 --> 01:47:37,320
lot of some of their functions 
starting to come back and then 

2132
01:47:37,320 --> 01:47:41,560
say, OK, let's step into detox. 
So you don't even start detox. 

2133
01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:45,080
Step 1 is just to get the 
downstream open up in this cell 

2134
01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:46,760
working. 
So what does that? 

2135
01:47:47,440 --> 01:47:53,040
So my 5 Rs is the road map. 
I used it to teach doctors as a 

2136
01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:56,520
road map of how you fix the cell
and how you start to detox the 

2137
01:47:56,520 --> 01:48:01,040
cell and it very quickly. 
Our number one is remove the 

2138
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:04,160
source like meaning if you have 
silver filling stained mercury, 

2139
01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:05,880
let's let's get there. 
If you're living in a multi 

2140
01:48:05,880 --> 01:48:08,080
home, let's deal with that. 
If you have a cavitation 

2141
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:09,320
infection and John, let's deal 
with that. 

2142
01:48:09,320 --> 01:48:11,400
You get it. 
OK, so different sources. 

2143
01:48:11,400 --> 01:48:13,440
We want to look at someone's 
life, remove them. 

2144
01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:17,120
OK, does it makes sense? 
Our number 2 is regenerate the 

2145
01:48:17,120 --> 01:48:20,520
cell membrane. 
So again, this membrane on this 

2146
01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:22,200
apple, that's our cell for this 
talk. 

2147
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:24,280
I'm molesting your bowl of 
apples here. 

2148
01:48:24,280 --> 01:48:27,840
I will eat this after. 
But you know, this membrane is 

2149
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:29,360
where your hormone receptors 
are. 

2150
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:32,400
The membrane determines what 
comes in the cell and what's 

2151
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:36,000
able to come out the membrane. 
I do classes on just the cell 

2152
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:38,120
membrane. 
I call it lipid therapy. 

2153
01:48:38,120 --> 01:48:42,080
How we fix the cell membrane and
diet plays a role here. 

2154
01:48:42,160 --> 01:48:43,920
I've developed a lot of products
here. 

2155
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:47,800
What you avoid seed oils that 
people are hearing about, right?

2156
01:48:47,800 --> 01:48:50,360
The the damaging effects of seed
oils, the reason they're so 

2157
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:53,200
dangerous. 
Omega 6 is so important in the 

2158
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:59,000
cell membrane that rancid bad 
Omega 6 is goes right in and it 

2159
01:48:59,200 --> 01:49:02,200
incorporates into this membrane 
and it's there not for days, not

2160
01:49:02,200 --> 01:49:05,000
for months. 
Now newer studies showing up to 

2161
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:07,680
two years half life of these 
things in the cell. 

2162
01:49:07,720 --> 01:49:10,480
Your cell men membranes from 
oxidated. 

2163
01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:13,840
Oxidated rancid fat. 
So it affects the function. 

2164
01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:17,160
So now you have toxins driving 
inflammation, blocking your 

2165
01:49:17,160 --> 01:49:20,280
hormone receptors, but now you 
have these bad fats too. 

2166
01:49:20,600 --> 01:49:22,480
I mean, American, we don't have 
a chance. 

2167
01:49:22,720 --> 01:49:25,880
I mean, think about it, you 
know, no wonder you go to Italy 

2168
01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:27,920
in these. 
But you don't see fat people 

2169
01:49:28,280 --> 01:49:31,600
like why they eat 20% more carbs
than we do. 

2170
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:34,160
It's like, well, less 
inflammation. 

2171
01:49:34,480 --> 01:49:37,280
The reason you can't use fat as 
energy has less to do with your 

2172
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:40,200
diet than people might think. 
It's like it has a lot to do 

2173
01:49:40,200 --> 01:49:41,800
with how inflamed your cells 
are. 

2174
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:45,520
So we look at just those two 
things and we really have to 

2175
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:47,640
clean those up. 
But the membrane, there's a 

2176
01:49:47,640 --> 01:49:50,800
saying, I didn't come up with 
it, but life and death begins on

2177
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:54,760
the membrane, your cellular out,
your hormone health, how your 

2178
01:49:54,760 --> 01:49:58,240
brain works right here. 
You know again when this is 

2179
01:49:58,240 --> 01:50:00,760
inflamed, diet doesn't work. 
That's what everything attaches 

2180
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:01,640
to. 
Absolutely. 

2181
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:04,400
Your diet, diet change seems 
like it doesn't work for you. 

2182
01:50:04,600 --> 01:50:06,840
You don't have energy, you still
don't lose weight. 

2183
01:50:06,840 --> 01:50:09,000
You know, it's all these things 
happen because the membrane 

2184
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:10,560
determines your health. 
That's it. 

2185
01:50:11,160 --> 01:50:13,400
Our number 3 is restoring the 
cell energy. 

2186
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:17,240
If you don't restore the energy 
and the ability of mitochondria 

2187
01:50:17,240 --> 01:50:21,600
to make energy, then you won't 
up regulate all of these detox 

2188
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:23,880
pathways. 
So then the cell's ability to 

2189
01:50:23,880 --> 01:50:26,840
get rid of toxins decreases and 
toxins build up, inflammation 

2190
01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:32,200
gets even more and R4 is 
reducing cellular inflammation. 

2191
01:50:32,360 --> 01:50:35,400
I teach a lot of strategies 
around that, but you have to 

2192
01:50:35,400 --> 01:50:40,360
diminish that inflammation and 
then R5 is reestablishing 

2193
01:50:40,360 --> 01:50:42,480
methylation. 
I've already pointed out 

2194
01:50:42,480 --> 01:50:45,240
methylation is how we protect 
our genes, how we turn genes on 

2195
01:50:45,240 --> 01:50:47,680
and off. 
Methylation, when it drops, 

2196
01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:50,400
glutathione drops the cell's 
ability to detox and drops. 

2197
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:54,440
If people watching this, the 
announcement of Tylenol causes 

2198
01:50:54,440 --> 01:50:57,240
autism. 
I had to do a video on it. 

2199
01:50:57,240 --> 01:51:02,000
I even did a little piece on my 
podcast about it because people,

2200
01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:05,560
a medical doctor friend of mine 
came to me and said Dan, what? 

2201
01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:08,360
Like Tylenol causes autism? 
I said hold on. 

2202
01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:12,800
It's part of the 'cause it 
doesn't cause autism, meaning 

2203
01:51:13,200 --> 01:51:16,840
you can get autism without a 
mother taking Tylenol, although 

2204
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:18,520
it increases the risk. 
Why? 

2205
01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:21,320
Because it affects certain detox
pathways. 

2206
01:51:21,640 --> 01:51:25,680
It affects methylation, which is
part of detox directly. 

2207
01:51:25,680 --> 01:51:29,760
It can inhibit receptors 
specifically, even in the brain 

2208
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:34,600
for folate, folate, folic acid 
is part of the methylation 

2209
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:37,680
process to be successful. 
So if you're inhibiting that, 

2210
01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:41,080
now you're inhibiting 
methylation, especially in the 

2211
01:51:41,080 --> 01:51:43,440
brain. 
So inflammation occurs in the 

2212
01:51:43,440 --> 01:51:46,360
brain, which is where autism 
starts, and the gut. 

2213
01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:50,480
So that blocking that folate 
receptor and also effects a 

2214
01:51:50,480 --> 01:51:54,440
pathway called the P-450, which 
is a detox pathway. 

2215
01:51:54,520 --> 01:51:56,040
Oh, and it also affects the 
liver. 

2216
01:51:56,320 --> 01:52:00,400
So it shuts down detox pathway. 
So Trump tipped his hand in 

2217
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:02,360
that. 
Well, it's not just Tylenol. 

2218
01:52:02,600 --> 01:52:05,040
People were wondering like, why 
was he talking about vaccines 

2219
01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:07,520
when it was acetaminophen and 
Tylenol causes autism. 

2220
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:11,840
Well, because see the toxins in 
vaccines, when you take Tylenol,

2221
01:52:12,040 --> 01:52:15,200
it reduces the ability to get 
rid of these toxins and they 

2222
01:52:15,240 --> 01:52:19,040
drive their neurotoxins, 
mercury, aluminum, and there's 

2223
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:21,320
others, right? 
And so that's why that he was 

2224
01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:23,760
making recommendations about 
vaccines because he wanted to 

2225
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:25,760
say it's this combination, 
right? 

2226
01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:28,960
It's not just one. 
So anyways, people didn't hear 

2227
01:52:28,960 --> 01:52:31,720
that necessarily. 
But anyway, so those are my five

2228
01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:34,520
hours of how we start to get the
cell working. 

2229
01:52:34,880 --> 01:52:39,880
And then Step 2 is we use real 
chelators, OK, not like 

2230
01:52:39,880 --> 01:52:42,680
cilantro, cruella and all these 
little things that people think 

2231
01:52:42,680 --> 01:52:43,920
or that it doesn't work that 
way. 

2232
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:46,840
You have to use things that grab
on and don't let go. 

2233
01:52:47,080 --> 01:52:49,200
But we use them outside of the 
cell. 

2234
01:52:49,360 --> 01:52:52,560
When we start moving these 
toxins out, these chelators grab

2235
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:54,680
on and make sure it goes all the
way out of the body. 

2236
01:52:55,080 --> 01:52:59,040
But functional medicine but uses
chelators incorrectly. 

2237
01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:01,640
They don't use those in their 
half life, meaning they don't 

2238
01:53:01,640 --> 01:53:06,440
keep the levels up in your blood
long enough in between taking 

2239
01:53:06,440 --> 01:53:10,080
them, so you get redistribution.
Yeah, exactly. 

2240
01:53:10,720 --> 01:53:13,800
An effective key later. 
So there's many like EDTA is an 

2241
01:53:13,800 --> 01:53:18,200
effective key, later DMSADMPS 
there's other ones, now Dota, 

2242
01:53:18,200 --> 01:53:19,960
there's a lot of different key 
layers. 

2243
01:53:20,160 --> 01:53:22,160
But someone probably shouldn't 
just start taking those. 

2244
01:53:22,240 --> 01:53:23,440
No way. 
No way. 

2245
01:53:23,480 --> 01:53:26,480
Because again, they don't. 
People think you detox with 

2246
01:53:26,480 --> 01:53:29,440
those. 
No, it's still about that cell. 

2247
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:33,440
Step one is fixing the cell. 
Step 2 is using killers just so 

2248
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:35,600
all killers do is move it out of
the body. 

2249
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:39,000
They're water soluble anyway. 
They don't get into your brain 

2250
01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:42,120
and fat tissue right there. 
There's we have to get the cells

2251
01:53:42,120 --> 01:53:45,320
doing that and then we push them
into these catchers, Mets if you

2252
01:53:45,320 --> 01:53:47,160
will, and pulls it out of the 
body. 

2253
01:53:47,400 --> 01:53:49,880
People forget about step one. 
It's the most important. 

2254
01:53:56,120 --> 01:53:59,280
Your story is so encouraging. 
Thank you so much for just being

2255
01:53:59,280 --> 01:54:02,920
so open about your process. 
I know it's going to be very 

2256
01:54:03,160 --> 01:54:05,560
encouraging for a lot of women 
that are tuning in. 

2257
01:54:05,680 --> 01:54:07,880
Yeah, thank you for asking. 
I think it needs to be talked 

2258
01:54:07,880 --> 01:54:10,760
about more. 
So as we're talking about 

2259
01:54:10,760 --> 01:54:15,160
processing deep emotions and 
feeling deeply as something that

2260
01:54:15,200 --> 01:54:17,520
I know you are very passionate 
about is something that I love 

2261
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:20,360
so much. 
That also helps to process and 

2262
01:54:20,360 --> 01:54:23,680
release emotion is facial 
massage and movement. 

2263
01:54:24,120 --> 01:54:28,480
So I would love to hear from 
your perspective how this 

2264
01:54:28,480 --> 01:54:33,160
supports skin health and that 
deeper Wellness and emotional 

2265
01:54:33,880 --> 01:54:37,280
support. 
Yeah, it's just like we were 

2266
01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:41,160
talking earlier. 
It was finally freedom to create

2267
01:54:41,160 --> 01:54:46,080
and curate a facial that I felt 
would give long lasting results.

2268
01:54:46,640 --> 01:54:51,920
And with facial massage, with 
any massage, but specifically 

2269
01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:56,000
facial massage, it's a very 
intimate treatment. 

2270
01:54:56,000 --> 01:55:00,400
You are, you carry so many 
emotions within the muscles of 

2271
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:02,400
your face. 
This is where we show expression

2272
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:05,760
and we also hold a lot of 
emotions that we haven't 

2273
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:11,480
processed primarily in the jaw, 
the forehead, behind the eyes, 

2274
01:55:11,480 --> 01:55:16,520
the neck, the shoulders. 
And it can become built up over 

2275
01:55:16,520 --> 01:55:21,160
time and cause us to prematurely
have frinkles. 

2276
01:55:21,200 --> 01:55:26,080
And it really shapes our life 
experience, shapes the way we 

2277
01:55:26,080 --> 01:55:28,080
age, the way wrinkle shows up on
our skin. 

2278
01:55:28,080 --> 01:55:32,000
Like I'm sure you've seen a 
beautiful older woman that has 

2279
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:34,680
wrinkles that just, you can tell
like, oh wow. 

2280
01:55:34,680 --> 01:55:38,120
Like she smiled a lot. 
You can see where her lines have

2281
01:55:38,120 --> 01:55:39,800
developed. 
And they can also have seen 

2282
01:55:39,800 --> 01:55:42,120
someone that may have had very 
hard life. 

2283
01:55:42,240 --> 01:55:45,600
And you can see like when 
they're not showing expression, 

2284
01:55:45,600 --> 01:55:49,040
the way their skin has aged and 
the wrinkles have shown up is 

2285
01:55:49,040 --> 01:55:52,040
kind of maybe downwards and they
just feel like maybe they had a 

2286
01:55:52,040 --> 01:55:58,520
lot of trauma or sadness. 
And so it's so fascinating when 

2287
01:55:58,520 --> 01:56:03,720
you get into facial massage 
because it's just the ultimate 

2288
01:56:03,720 --> 01:56:09,880
treatment at restoring not only 
emotions, but facial symmetry 

2289
01:56:10,240 --> 01:56:16,200
and the energy release you 
experienced through that. 

2290
01:56:16,840 --> 01:56:18,880
I haven't been able to 
experience that through any 

2291
01:56:18,920 --> 01:56:21,560
other treatment. 
So you're getting into the 

2292
01:56:21,560 --> 01:56:24,320
muscles of the face, you're 
releasing that emotion, and a 

2293
01:56:24,320 --> 01:56:27,520
lot of people will feel it 
during the session. 

2294
01:56:27,520 --> 01:56:32,280
They'll cry or express different
emotions as you move through 

2295
01:56:32,280 --> 01:56:35,280
different parts of the face. 
And after the treatment, they'll

2296
01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:37,960
leave feeling. 
I've had clients say they felt 

2297
01:56:38,720 --> 01:56:42,560
like 10 years younger or lighter
or energetically lighter, or 

2298
01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:46,800
that they went somewhere and 
you're just creating the space 

2299
01:56:47,240 --> 01:56:51,360
for their own healing, for them 
to heal themselves or to relax 

2300
01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:55,360
and release. 
I think there's not a big enough

2301
01:56:55,360 --> 01:57:01,160
emphasis on what even just an 
hour of relaxation, deep 

2302
01:57:01,160 --> 01:57:06,400
relaxation can do for the 
nervous system, the body, the 

2303
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:09,440
mind. 
And so getting to curate and 

2304
01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:13,440
create that space for them to 
find that healing is so 

2305
01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:18,120
rewarding and nourishing. 
So yeah, it's been so beautiful 

2306
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:21,840
to have this. 
I know for myself too, when I 

2307
01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:25,040
experience it, I do. 
It's like, first of all, I felt 

2308
01:57:25,040 --> 01:57:27,960
like, Oh my gosh, I just lost, 
lost like 5 lbs on my face I 

2309
01:57:27,960 --> 01:57:30,840
didn't know I had. 
But that deeper emotional 

2310
01:57:30,840 --> 01:57:35,640
experience truly is what led me 
to want to really dive into 

2311
01:57:35,640 --> 01:57:37,920
facial massage unlike ever 
before. 

2312
01:57:38,800 --> 01:57:41,720
And so could you chat with us a 
little bit more about specific 

2313
01:57:41,720 --> 01:57:45,040
facial muscles that you focus on
in facial massage and maybe the 

2314
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:47,480
underlying emotion that's 
correlated with that? 

2315
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:50,120
Yeah. 
And that's really where I found 

2316
01:57:50,360 --> 01:57:55,040
the interest is to kind of map 
out what emotions are behind 

2317
01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:58,840
what muscles. 
And throughout the facial 

2318
01:57:58,840 --> 01:58:04,200
massage I give, it's often 
curated with meditation for me 

2319
01:58:04,200 --> 01:58:07,320
as well. 
So I find myself when I would 

2320
01:58:07,320 --> 01:58:10,360
get a treatment, my mind goes a 
million different places. 

2321
01:58:10,360 --> 01:58:13,560
And so bringing back the client 
to their body, what they're 

2322
01:58:13,560 --> 01:58:16,240
feeling is super helpful for 
them to stay in it. 

2323
01:58:16,840 --> 01:58:22,280
And so in the jaw, there's 
emotions of control typically. 

2324
01:58:22,320 --> 01:58:26,040
So when we feel like we are at a
loss of control in our life, 

2325
01:58:26,520 --> 01:58:29,680
we'll clench and grind our 
teeth, usually at night time, 

2326
01:58:29,680 --> 01:58:32,360
but often like when we're 
driving or doing things where 

2327
01:58:32,360 --> 01:58:37,160
we're not actively talking or 
doing other tasks. 

2328
01:58:37,320 --> 01:58:39,960
And so it's a lot of times 
subconscious and we'll be 

2329
01:58:39,960 --> 01:58:44,320
grinding or clenching. 
And that emotion is typically 

2330
01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:46,440
control. 
So when I'm working in the jaw, 

2331
01:58:47,160 --> 01:58:51,000
I'll just bring the client back 
to releasing the jaw, releasing 

2332
01:58:51,000 --> 01:58:53,200
control. 
I'll have them like open up 

2333
01:58:53,200 --> 01:58:56,320
their palms to surrender. 
Because often when you're in the

2334
01:58:56,320 --> 01:58:59,160
jaw, you're like, everything's 
punching. 

2335
01:58:59,160 --> 01:59:04,640
You're like, and so you can go 
through that and just be relaxed

2336
01:59:04,680 --> 01:59:07,800
and relax your palms, have them 
face upwards. 

2337
01:59:08,200 --> 01:59:11,720
It helps the process and they 
receive a better treatment. 

2338
01:59:11,720 --> 01:59:18,760
So in the jaw control and So 
what you say with people who are

2339
01:59:18,760 --> 01:59:22,360
experiencing TMJ issues, that's 
something to look a little bit 

2340
01:59:22,360 --> 01:59:25,640
deeper into. 
Definitely it's the emotions. 

2341
01:59:25,760 --> 01:59:30,440
And I'll often ask them when it 
started and for them, they'll 

2342
01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:33,520
date it to a point that was very
stressful for them in their 

2343
01:59:33,520 --> 01:59:34,760
life. 
And I know this is when it 

2344
01:59:34,760 --> 01:59:37,840
happened or started. 
And emotions can be a big 

2345
01:59:37,840 --> 01:59:41,240
driving factor and a lot of 
health, other issues like 

2346
01:59:41,240 --> 01:59:44,280
parasites, different internal 
body can cause a lot of jaw 

2347
01:59:44,280 --> 01:59:46,840
tension. 
So it's it's very rounded. 

2348
01:59:46,840 --> 01:59:50,960
It's not usually one thing, but 
emotion is a big part of that. 

2349
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:57,040
And then the forehead is usually
feels very heavy. 

2350
01:59:57,240 --> 01:59:58,600
That's where we do all our 
thinking. 

2351
01:59:58,640 --> 02:00:03,040
Yeah. 
So it's just, it's the epicenter

2352
02:00:03,240 --> 02:00:07,960
of the mind, our thoughts. 
And so when I'm in this area, 

2353
02:00:07,960 --> 02:00:11,600
I'll have them clear their mind 
and release feelings of stress, 

2354
02:00:11,600 --> 02:00:18,920
anxiety, fear, sadness, grief. 
And it helps to clear the mind 

2355
02:00:18,920 --> 02:00:20,840
and therefore it relaxes the 
muscles. 

2356
02:00:21,480 --> 02:00:25,120
And then our these lines can be 
a few different reasons, 

2357
02:00:25,600 --> 02:00:30,200
smiling, of course, but also 
depending how deep they can be, 

2358
02:00:30,200 --> 02:00:35,240
can be related to grief and 
trauma, sadness. 

2359
02:00:35,840 --> 02:00:39,160
So the depressor muscles, 
depression depressor that we got

2360
02:00:39,160 --> 02:00:41,840
that term. 
So like I said, if you've seen 

2361
02:00:41,840 --> 02:00:45,520
an older woman and her, you 
know, her mouth is shaped kind 

2362
02:00:45,520 --> 02:00:50,120
of like an upside down frown. 
It's typically due to those 

2363
02:00:50,120 --> 02:00:52,160
reoccurring thoughts you're 
thinking because each thought 

2364
02:00:52,160 --> 02:00:55,960
creates a facial expression. 
Our skin tells such a story. 

2365
02:00:55,960 --> 02:00:59,240
Story the lives that we've lived
and the emotions that we felt. 

2366
02:00:59,680 --> 02:01:01,880
Yeah. 
And I find with facial massage 

2367
02:01:01,880 --> 02:01:05,200
too, once we start to implement 
it more consistently, I know I 

2368
02:01:05,200 --> 02:01:08,800
have found that I've become more
aware of my tendencies of 

2369
02:01:08,800 --> 02:01:13,360
furrowing or clenching, and I've
learned to relax on my own. 

2370
02:01:13,360 --> 02:01:15,640
Yeah, which has been a beautiful
ripple effect. 

2371
02:01:16,280 --> 02:01:20,520
That's the greatest tool is to 
be able to relax on your own is 

2372
02:01:20,600 --> 02:01:22,800
when I'm giving a facial or when
you're giving a facial, the 

2373
02:01:22,800 --> 02:01:26,360
client can relax. 
But if you can emanate that 

2374
02:01:26,360 --> 02:01:29,080
throughout the day and you find 
yourself clenching, there's 

2375
02:01:29,080 --> 02:01:32,800
certain tricks that you can do 
to release the jaw instantly. 

2376
02:01:33,280 --> 02:01:35,520
And the more you do that, the 
more you'll build new muscle 

2377
02:01:35,520 --> 02:01:37,240
memory. 
Yes, I love that. 

2378
02:01:37,440 --> 02:01:39,840
Yeah. 
So one of your expertises and 

2379
02:01:39,840 --> 02:01:44,000
what you are renowned for is the
buckle and your oral sculpting 

2380
02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:46,800
facial massage. 
And so excited to hear more of 

2381
02:01:46,840 --> 02:01:48,880
that technique. 
So could you walk us through 

2382
02:01:49,120 --> 02:01:52,960
what that technique entails and 
even more deeply, the connection

2383
02:01:53,120 --> 02:01:57,320
with the jaw, with the fascia 
and really the benefits and the 

2384
02:01:57,320 --> 02:01:59,120
long term effects of this 
technique? 

2385
02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:04,560
Yeah, it's so the buckle facial 
is where we put on gloves and we

2386
02:02:04,560 --> 02:02:08,520
go into the mouth. 
So oddly enough, it's when most 

2387
02:02:08,520 --> 02:02:13,440
of my clients fall asleep, not 
what I would think, but I full 

2388
02:02:13,440 --> 02:02:15,680
surrender. 
You could be like quite 

2389
02:02:15,680 --> 02:02:18,880
resistant of like I'm going to 
feel like I'm at the dentist. 

2390
02:02:19,120 --> 02:02:22,320
But and we do, we have a lot of 
trauma typically surrounding the

2391
02:02:22,320 --> 02:02:25,200
mouth with dentist or having 
facial injuries. 

2392
02:02:25,200 --> 02:02:31,440
And so to get into the mouth is 
a next level of intimacy where 

2393
02:02:31,440 --> 02:02:33,560
it's like full release, full 
surrender. 

2394
02:02:33,920 --> 02:02:38,400
And when we go into the mouth, 
we're able to access the jaw 

2395
02:02:38,640 --> 02:02:44,520
that we can't access externally.
And so you're getting a release 

2396
02:02:44,520 --> 02:02:46,960
that you wouldn't be able to get
just externally. 

2397
02:02:47,240 --> 02:02:50,120
You're getting into the deeper 
layers of the muscles and 

2398
02:02:50,120 --> 02:02:52,360
through that you get a deeper 
release. 

2399
02:02:57,360 --> 02:02:59,400
We want to experience the 
benefits of the sunlight and the

2400
02:02:59,400 --> 02:03:02,440
vitamin D, and then we can go in
the shade when we need to cover 

2401
02:03:02,440 --> 02:03:04,400
up. 
We can wear sunscreen when we're

2402
02:03:04,400 --> 02:03:06,840
out in the sun for long periods 
of time. 

2403
02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:09,760
Yeah, but like you said, not a 
chemical based sunscreen, 

2404
02:03:09,960 --> 02:03:12,880
something like zinc oxide that's
going to create that physical 

2405
02:03:12,880 --> 02:03:14,360
barrier. 
One more question. 

2406
02:03:14,520 --> 02:03:18,400
Vitamin B17, it's not considered
a vitamin in the US. 

2407
02:03:18,520 --> 02:03:23,240
It's not allowed in the US. 
What can you tell us about B17? 

2408
02:03:23,280 --> 02:03:27,720
Well, B17 years ago, there was a
study done in Memorial Sloan 

2409
02:03:27,720 --> 02:03:30,400
Kettering and showed how it 
worked. 

2410
02:03:30,400 --> 02:03:32,160
And then of course they got rid 
of it. 

2411
02:03:33,280 --> 02:03:40,560
And so it is actually a nutrient
that is looked at in the testing

2412
02:03:40,560 --> 02:03:44,440
that I do to see if it's going 
to kill your circulating tumor 

2413
02:03:44,440 --> 02:03:47,720
cells. 
So it's one agent that has the 

2414
02:03:47,720 --> 02:03:50,920
possibility of killing 
circulating tumor cells. 

2415
02:03:51,520 --> 02:03:55,360
And so, but there's many agents.
So, you know, years ago there 

2416
02:03:55,360 --> 02:03:59,600
was a Doctor Who had a clinic in
Mexico still exists and he used 

2417
02:03:59,600 --> 02:04:04,360
to be my former partner and they
used B17 for everything and like

2418
02:04:04,360 --> 02:04:06,760
it worked, got rid of people's 
cancer. 

2419
02:04:06,960 --> 02:04:09,760
But today we're living in an 
environment that. 

2420
02:04:10,080 --> 02:04:12,720
You need more. 
You need many more bullets in 

2421
02:04:12,720 --> 02:04:15,680
order for to kill cancer. 
That's very interesting though, 

2422
02:04:15,920 --> 02:04:16,960
yeah. 
What about apricot? 

2423
02:04:16,960 --> 02:04:19,000
Seeds, yeah, apricot seeds is 
B7. 

2424
02:04:19,000 --> 02:04:20,480
It's where the B. 7 is form 
right? 

2425
02:04:20,480 --> 02:04:21,440
Yes. 
Exactly. 

2426
02:04:21,640 --> 02:04:23,000
Yeah, I just started taking 
those. 

2427
02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:25,960
Yeah. 
So we use those apricot power in

2428
02:04:25,960 --> 02:04:28,440
our in our clinic. 
That's what we use is the seeds 

2429
02:04:28,440 --> 02:04:30,880
to give to patients. 
What are some of the next level 

2430
02:04:30,880 --> 02:04:33,760
things that you offer at your 
clinic for cancer patients? 

2431
02:04:34,520 --> 02:04:37,760
So one of the things we do, so 
if a patient needs chemotherapy 

2432
02:04:37,760 --> 02:04:41,120
and the only time that I 
recommend chemotherapy is that 

2433
02:04:41,120 --> 02:04:46,080
people have tumor burden. 
So a little lump typically 

2434
02:04:46,280 --> 02:04:49,480
doesn't need chemotherapy. 
Are there extenuating 

2435
02:04:49,480 --> 02:04:50,760
circumstances? 
Yes. 

2436
02:04:50,880 --> 02:04:53,760
You have to look at the 
pathology to see if a patient 

2437
02:04:53,760 --> 02:04:55,760
warranted. 
They have special tests now 

2438
02:04:56,040 --> 02:05:00,640
called Mammaprint and they tell 
you if you are, if chemotherapy 

2439
02:05:00,640 --> 02:05:04,200
is going to help you. 
And so, but 70% of breast cancer

2440
02:05:04,200 --> 02:05:06,080
patients don't need 
chemotherapy. 

2441
02:05:06,600 --> 02:05:13,280
But if it's already gone outside
of the original location and 

2442
02:05:13,280 --> 02:05:16,040
it's gone into your lymph glands
or to your liver, your kidney or

2443
02:05:16,040 --> 02:05:19,880
your bones, we know we have to 
shrink the problem from here to 

2444
02:05:19,880 --> 02:05:21,160
here. 
OK? 

2445
02:05:21,400 --> 02:05:26,280
So we have to use something. 
Now, if patients don't want to 

2446
02:05:26,280 --> 02:05:29,000
do chemotherapy, yes, there are 
other things they can do. 

2447
02:05:29,000 --> 02:05:32,600
I, I don't, I always tell people
I don't negotiate with cancer. 

2448
02:05:33,040 --> 02:05:36,000
I want you to do everything. 
I will take care of the 

2449
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:39,240
downside. 
But right now we're 10 years 

2450
02:05:39,240 --> 02:05:41,360
behind. 
Let's institute. 

2451
02:05:41,360 --> 02:05:43,920
So in our clinic, we do 
something called fractionated 

2452
02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:46,360
chemotherapy. 
So cancer cells have something 

2453
02:05:46,360 --> 02:05:48,120
called insulin like growth 
factors. 

2454
02:05:48,680 --> 02:05:52,240
So insulin is what responsible 
for sugar to the cell, right? 

2455
02:05:52,360 --> 02:05:56,520
And so cancer cells have more 
than a normal cell. 

2456
02:05:56,880 --> 02:06:00,480
So we prime the body by giving 
your body insulin so it turns on

2457
02:06:00,480 --> 02:06:02,000
the insulin. 
Like growth factors. 

2458
02:06:02,200 --> 02:06:05,800
We bring your blood sugar to 
something called the therapeutic

2459
02:06:05,800 --> 02:06:09,120
moment, which is about 40, and 
then we give you the 

2460
02:06:09,120 --> 02:06:11,320
chemotherapy so they're ready to
eat it. 

2461
02:06:11,320 --> 02:06:14,440
So the incidents like a Trojan 
horse to bring chemo to the 

2462
02:06:14,440 --> 02:06:16,520
cancer cell, preserving the 
other cells. 

2463
02:06:16,520 --> 02:06:20,080
And you have them fast prior. 
Fast the day before and the day 

2464
02:06:20,520 --> 02:06:23,960
because they found at USC in a 
study that if people fasted, 

2465
02:06:23,960 --> 02:06:27,000
their side effects were 50% less
or more. 

2466
02:06:27,160 --> 02:06:30,800
Is that just because of because 
autophagy is activated and your 

2467
02:06:30,800 --> 02:06:33,800
body's more primed and it? 
Doesn't have to do exactly and 

2468
02:06:33,800 --> 02:06:35,240
it doesn't have to do anything 
else. 

2469
02:06:35,280 --> 02:06:37,840
Whereas if you're eating and 
everything, it's consumed with 

2470
02:06:37,840 --> 02:06:39,880
taking care of what you're 
ingesting. 

2471
02:06:40,480 --> 02:06:42,880
So if you're in fasting, your 
body's in a clean up state. 

2472
02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:47,080
So we always have, whether you 
do conventional or you do 

2473
02:06:47,080 --> 02:06:49,760
fractionated. 
I tell the patients to fast the 

2474
02:06:49,760 --> 02:06:52,640
day before and the day out, and 
I've told patients to fast for 

2475
02:06:52,640 --> 02:06:54,640
other reasons too. 
I'm curious, would you 

2476
02:06:54,640 --> 02:06:58,560
recommend, I've heard, I think 
Doctor Thomas Seyfried, I'm not 

2477
02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:01,520
sure if I'm saying that correct,
but he recommends like a seven 

2478
02:07:01,520 --> 02:07:03,440
day fast every year for 
everybody. 

2479
02:07:03,440 --> 02:07:06,120
Is that like what are your 
thoughts on doing periodical 

2480
02:07:06,120 --> 02:07:08,760
fast just to do some cleanup? 
I think it's really good. 

2481
02:07:08,880 --> 02:07:12,120
I think people, I always ask 
patients, have you ever fasted? 

2482
02:07:12,240 --> 02:07:14,400
Yes, no. 
What can you do? 

2483
02:07:14,640 --> 02:07:16,960
What do you think you can do? 
Some people say one day, some 

2484
02:07:16,960 --> 02:07:18,840
people say 30 days. 
The longest I've ever had a 

2485
02:07:18,840 --> 02:07:21,480
patient do is 30 days. 
Wow, that's a long time. 

2486
02:07:21,480 --> 02:07:25,440
I don't really advocate that, 
but I've, I've partnered with 

2487
02:07:25,440 --> 02:07:28,360
the patient with what they think
they can do and what they want 

2488
02:07:28,360 --> 02:07:31,680
to do. 
And I have seen it do incredible

2489
02:07:31,680 --> 02:07:33,840
things. 
But like for example, the 

2490
02:07:33,840 --> 02:07:36,400
patient wants to lose weight. 
I'll say I want you to fast two 

2491
02:07:36,400 --> 02:07:39,640
days a week. 
And if I can't get somebody C 

2492
02:07:39,640 --> 02:07:42,960
reactive protein down and 
getting their triglycerides 

2493
02:07:42,960 --> 02:07:47,440
down, I will tell them, look, I 
have seen this change, and I've 

2494
02:07:47,800 --> 02:07:50,080
also seen that help people lose 
weight because, you know, I 

2495
02:07:50,080 --> 02:07:52,320
would say a large percent of the
population is trying to lose 

2496
02:07:52,320 --> 02:07:52,840
weight. 
Yeah. 

2497
02:07:52,960 --> 02:07:55,520
So we got to look for all the 
tools to help them lose weight. 

2498
02:07:55,520 --> 02:07:58,040
And I think a lot of people 
would think that, oh, not eating

2499
02:07:58,040 --> 02:08:01,160
two days a week sounds extreme, 
but really when you understand 

2500
02:08:01,480 --> 02:08:04,280
how the body works and that the 
body, you know, you can, you can

2501
02:08:04,280 --> 02:08:08,200
burn your own fuel when you're 
not consuming food, it's really 

2502
02:08:08,200 --> 02:08:10,600
not that extreme at all. 
And I'm a fan of fasting. 

2503
02:08:10,600 --> 02:08:13,720
That's why I'm curious about 
this personally because I just 

2504
02:08:13,720 --> 02:08:18,080
think it's it's so fascinating 
and amazing how the body can do 

2505
02:08:18,080 --> 02:08:21,760
so much when you just give it a 
break from digesting foods. 

2506
02:08:21,760 --> 02:08:25,360
And I've experienced profound 
benefits from periodical fast in

2507
02:08:25,360 --> 02:08:26,440
my life too. 
Right. 

2508
02:08:26,440 --> 02:08:28,800
Well, there's a great 
documentary called the Science 

2509
02:08:28,800 --> 02:08:31,880
of Fasting. 
If anyone has any questions, 

2510
02:08:31,880 --> 02:08:34,560
concerns and wants to see the 
science, it's fabulous. 

2511
02:08:34,800 --> 02:08:39,680
So now the other things that we 
do, we recommend hyperbaric 

2512
02:08:39,680 --> 02:08:45,960
oxygen and or ozone. 
So we do ozone intravenously and

2513
02:08:46,040 --> 02:08:49,160
because cancer, we know under 
Warburg got a Nobel Prize that 

2514
02:08:49,160 --> 02:08:53,880
cancer is a anaerobic, sugary, 
acidic environment. 

2515
02:08:54,200 --> 02:08:55,800
And so I got to change all of 
that. 

2516
02:08:56,440 --> 02:09:01,680
So it thrives in lack of oxygen,
high sugar, acidity, acidity. 

2517
02:09:01,880 --> 02:09:08,160
Right, so, so we so we give them
things to alkalinize their body.

2518
02:09:08,200 --> 02:09:11,680
We use them a special powder of 
sodium, potassium bicarb. 

2519
02:09:12,240 --> 02:09:14,960
Then we do. 
Which is is that baking soda? 

2520
02:09:14,960 --> 02:09:16,240
It's like. 
Baking soda. 

2521
02:09:16,240 --> 02:09:21,080
So I I started out with baking 
soda and I tried it myself and I

2522
02:09:21,080 --> 02:09:23,920
was like, oh, I don't know if 
anybody could do this every day 

2523
02:09:23,920 --> 02:09:25,560
because it just doesn't taste 
good. 

2524
02:09:25,920 --> 02:09:31,320
So I found a product that is 
magnesium sodium bicarb and it 

2525
02:09:31,320 --> 02:09:34,520
tastes so much better. 
And then of course I have them 

2526
02:09:34,520 --> 02:09:39,360
do either detox baths with clay 
and Epsom salts and baking soda 

2527
02:09:39,480 --> 02:09:41,880
or infrared sauna depending on 
what they have. 

2528
02:09:41,920 --> 02:09:43,240
So. 
What's the ratio? 

2529
02:09:43,600 --> 02:09:48,680
Of so, I usually do a cup of two
cups of Epsom salts, a cup of 

2530
02:09:48,680 --> 02:09:50,480
baking soda, and 1/4 cup of 
clay. 

2531
02:09:50,520 --> 02:09:55,480
Yes, so it feels amazing. 
I noticed that when I do the the

2532
02:09:55,480 --> 02:10:00,160
detox bath I sweat like almost 
as much as I do with a sauna. 

2533
02:10:00,160 --> 02:10:01,480
It's really powerful. 
Yeah. 

2534
02:10:01,480 --> 02:10:04,880
And your skin is skin, believe 
it or not, is a purification or 

2535
02:10:04,880 --> 02:10:10,360
Yeah, OK. 
And then ozone is very, very 

2536
02:10:10,440 --> 02:10:12,960
synergistic with chemotherapy. 
So. 

2537
02:10:12,960 --> 02:10:16,440
But ozone, like I do a blood 
test called Phi, which stands 

2538
02:10:16,440 --> 02:10:20,720
for hot phosphohexoisomerase, 
it's an indicator of anaerobic 

2539
02:10:20,720 --> 02:10:24,160
metabolism. 
So I know that if patients 

2540
02:10:24,160 --> 02:10:28,960
numbers are really high, I need 
to give IV ozone or I use 

2541
02:10:28,960 --> 02:10:32,680
something called EBU. 
EBU is where we hook you up to 

2542
02:10:32,680 --> 02:10:36,720
machine and it's a closed unit 
and we put your blood through a 

2543
02:10:36,720 --> 02:10:40,800
filter and then we ozonate it. 
So, and it goes back in, goes 

2544
02:10:40,800 --> 02:10:42,320
back terrified. 
Exactly. 

2545
02:10:42,600 --> 02:10:44,200
So that's another thing that we 
do. 

2546
02:10:44,200 --> 02:10:48,000
We do PMF on everybody, every, 
every person that has a human 

2547
02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:51,640
magnetic field. 
And so because of all these 

2548
02:10:51,640 --> 02:10:54,840
factors that are draining or 
everything's a lack of energy 

2549
02:10:54,840 --> 02:10:57,960
and voltage, right? 
So PMF is pulse to 

2550
02:10:57,960 --> 02:11:01,440
electromagnetic field. 
So all of them either lay on it 

2551
02:11:01,560 --> 02:11:04,040
their whole body and or the body
part. 

2552
02:11:04,520 --> 02:11:08,400
OK. 
And then I use light therapy. 

2553
02:11:08,520 --> 02:11:12,560
So I use light. 
It's called photobiomodulation. 

2554
02:11:12,600 --> 02:11:15,160
So light is light. 
All of your cells have light. 

2555
02:11:15,160 --> 02:11:17,160
They have a photonic light, 
believe it or not. 

2556
02:11:17,720 --> 02:11:21,640
And so we intravenously will 
give you a substance like say 

2557
02:11:21,640 --> 02:11:23,760
curcumin, which is like 
turmeric. 

2558
02:11:24,280 --> 02:11:27,560
And then we use the lights, all 
the different lights, 5 

2559
02:11:27,560 --> 02:11:31,840
different lights to activate the
curcumin to work in your body. 

2560
02:11:32,160 --> 02:11:35,960
All right, you can use it as a 
stand alone to help because it's

2561
02:11:36,280 --> 02:11:39,760
it works on many different 
levels to add energy to the body

2562
02:11:39,760 --> 02:11:42,840
antimicrobial and it's 
incredible. 

2563
02:11:42,880 --> 02:11:45,480
OK now you can also do it 
topically like I use it 

2564
02:11:45,480 --> 02:11:49,240
topically for skin cancers. 
So instead of making a scar I 

2565
02:11:49,240 --> 02:11:52,080
you will do it topically by 
applying the substance to 

2566
02:11:52,160 --> 02:11:55,880
activate the pathological tissue
and then it's laser on top and 

2567
02:11:55,880 --> 02:11:58,960
then it just fries it and it 
goes off by itself do. 

2568
02:11:58,960 --> 02:12:01,400
You ever use ozonated olive oil 
for some campfire? 

2569
02:12:01,400 --> 02:12:03,960
We we, I use that for many 
different things. 

2570
02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:06,360
Yeah. 
And phenomenal healer for Scars.

2571
02:12:06,360 --> 02:12:08,760
I think that's another thing 
that everyone should have at 

2572
02:12:08,760 --> 02:12:11,320
home is an ozone generator. 
Yes, a lot of. 

2573
02:12:11,320 --> 02:12:14,360
They're not that expensive. 
Right, yeah, they're not that 

2574
02:12:14,360 --> 02:12:16,880
expensive, right. 
That's one, that's the, that's 

2575
02:12:16,880 --> 02:12:21,040
the self-care, you know, kit 
that would be helpful for people

2576
02:12:21,040 --> 02:12:22,560
to have. 
So we checked the voltage of 

2577
02:12:22,560 --> 02:12:26,040
every single person. 
So we, the bulges I talked about

2578
02:12:26,040 --> 02:12:30,520
earlier, I say this is a big 
deal because it's like energy. 

2579
02:12:30,680 --> 02:12:32,960
You have to have energy for 
every cell to work. 

2580
02:12:32,960 --> 02:12:36,080
So we know that you're not 
making good energy because you 

2581
02:12:36,080 --> 02:12:39,880
have cancer, right? 
So you can heal if you don't 

2582
02:12:39,880 --> 02:12:41,600
have energy. 
So if you were to have surgery 

2583
02:12:41,600 --> 02:12:44,960
tomorrow, you're going to need 
energy of your cells to heal 

2584
02:12:44,960 --> 02:12:48,160
from that surgery. 
So we check the voltage of every

2585
02:12:48,160 --> 02:12:50,440
one of our patients and then we 
charge them. 

2586
02:12:50,440 --> 02:12:54,320
We have something called the 
biocharger, and then you sit in 

2587
02:12:54,320 --> 02:12:56,800
front of and receive 
frequencies, and then we have 

2588
02:12:56,800 --> 02:12:58,600
something called the 
biomodulator. 

2589
02:12:58,880 --> 02:13:02,080
So we'll charge the patients 
once or twice a day and then 

2590
02:13:02,080 --> 02:13:05,640
sometimes when they go go home, 
we give them essential oils to 

2591
02:13:05,640 --> 02:13:09,600
continue it unless they want to 
do the biomodulator themselves.