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The FDA hadn't updated their manuscript until two years ago
where they made a statement. They haven't even updated it
yet, but they made a, an update letter or an update statement
looking and re examining after 20 or 30 years worth of data
whether those original chemicals were safe.
And 19 of those most readily used stuff that was originally
deemed grace, generally recognized as safe and effective
are no longer deemed grace. So the stuff that we were
readily accepting, you're on vacation, you pick it up from
the convenience store in the hotel lobby or wherever or your,
your local pharmacy. The stuff that was widely
accepted is now saying, the FDA itself is saying, I'm not sure
this is just as safe as we thought it was.
Let's look into it. In fact, they pulled a few
things off the shelf, a few older chemical sunscreens
because they provide no benefit and they had some consequence in
the studies looking at interference with health.
But it's always, especially in the US, it's always 2 steps
forward and then half a step sideways or back, you know?
It's like 10 years after something has been used by
millions of people, they then realize that it isn't safe.
And so they they've come out with this statement and they've
pulled a few of these chemicals, but many of them are still being
used. Yeah.
Because there's so lobbying in the United States is really,
really, really strong. And unfortunately, everything is
still a business. So the big players that benefit
widely from keeping certain things on market have a have
deep pockets, so you can convince governing bodies to do
or not do certain things based on whose financial interest it
is, right. So a lot of these things that
are a problem everywhere else in the world, which have been
pulled from many other countries are still widely available here.
And in fact, there are certain chemical sunscreens available in
places like Canada and Europe that are much safer, that don't
have the degradation products. But we still can't get them in
the USI still I've heard. About these these like new UVUV.
They're filters, Yeah, I still I'm skeptical.
I like the old mineral, mind it from the.
Earth. Pride and true because.
It's like blocker, Might we possibly find out about those?
Yeah. Whereas physical blockers
essentially function like clothing where they sit on the
surface of the skin and they shield from UV.
So if you're going to pick something, pick the old time
tested, you know mine from the Earth ingredients.
I'm glad you mentioned that. I feel like we have very similar
approaches to sun exposure, like finding shade is important after
being in the sun for a long time.
Like you said, you will never burn in the shade, wearing
protective clothing, wearing hats.
But then for the times that I may be like in the water or just
in the sun for extended periods of times, I will opt for a
physical barrier sunscreen. Non nano zinc and we actually
are launching one soon, a sunscreen of our own.
Amazing. Congratulations.
Thank you. Thank you for something that's
been in the works for so long. Amazing.
Because like we talked about, it's considered a drug by the
FDA. So the processes for testing and
whatnot totally take forever. But yeah, you wanna take a look?
That's awesome, love the packaging.
Thanks. Let's see.
So right off the bat, it has a really high zinc concentration,
which I like because oftentimes we don't get enough sunscreen
product on our skin or active ingredient on our skin.
So the lower concentrations of minerals tend to not be as
protective as the label suggests.
I love the inactives. There's very few of them.
All of these my kids can. Pronounce.
I'm just going to feel this. Yeah, it has a bit of a white
cast, but not quite as bad as a lot of other zinc based
sunscreens. This is awesome.
Particle size is really uniform, the zinc particle size.
So it's still non nano, it'll still sit on the surface of the
skin, but the white cast is I. Love the feel once love the
smell. I would put this on my kids.
Yay for. Sure.
Doctor, great product. Yeah, yeah, totally awesome.
Congratulations. Thank you.
Thanks so much. I think it's nice to go back to
fundamentals. I love the that's probably the
highest concentration of zinc I've seen in a very long time.
It's great. The inactives are very
straightforward. They're biologic, they're
organic. I would I would put this on my
family for sure. Amazing.
Yeah, let's transition to internal sun protection.
Sure. Are there certain nutrients or
foods that people should be aware of in terms of giving your
body the best defense possible from an internal perspective?
Yeah, I love that. So something that's not commonly
known about is things that you can consume that will protect
your skin from the inside out. Whereas in many other countries,
particularly in South America, this is a well known phenomenon.
There's several ingredients. There's actually a plant that I
love and recommend for all my patients called polypodium, and
it's from a Fern in the Amazon rainforest.
And this Fern was found when we studied a group of indigenous
people in the Amazon that would consume this Fern before they
went out on fishing expeditions on the Amazon.
And if they knew they were going to be out for, you know, several
days, they would take this Fern and they would eat it, and it
would protect them from burning. So it's essentially like an
internal sunscreen or an internal sunshield.
So that was identified to be polypodium.
And I recommend that literally for everyone, for anybody who
wants another form of sun protection, if you're going to
be outside, if you have sun sensitive skin conditions.
I know I see a lot of young women with melasma.
We used to call that the mask of pregnancy.
And it's this discoloration that's so sensitive to sunlight.
It's extremely sensitive to not only UV, but also visible light.
And sunscreens don't do a great job shielding the visible
component of light, whereas polypodium does.
So there's a lot of things that we can consume or take orally
that will actually improve the Wellness and and vitality of our
skin. And there's a lot of science
behind this. It's not just assumption or
opinion. There's a lot of published data
behind all of these ingredients. I help formulate a product
called Sunpowder, which is what I recommend for my patients.
It's it's a daily drinkable skin supplement.
It's the first of its kind in the market that has all of these
ingredients at the clinical dose needed where you just mix into
water and drink once a day. And the premise behind this is
if we're doing stuff to our skin from the outside, if we're
protecting it for shielding it and sheltering it, at least
let's give it a fighting chance from the inside with evidence
based ingredients to help reduce sun damage, sunburn risk, skin
cancer risk and premature aging. Yeah.
Absolutely. It's creating resiliency from
the inside out. Yeah, we actually have a
clinical trial that I am conducting now at our practice
that looks at patients who consume this before and after UV
exposure. So it's not just, you know,
there's good evidence and science behind it.
It's not like a marketing gimmick or ploy, but there's
many things that we can learn from other realms, the Wellness
realm, you know, nutrition, other societies.
We found Polypodium in the Amazon, you know.
That's fascinating. How close to the sun exposure
did they consume this to get the protection?
So if you know you're going to be out for a long period of time
or like let's say you're going on vacation for a week, we found
that it builds up tolerance when you take it a week before.
But say you don't know and you're going to be out hiking 2
hours before you can consume this and it'll give you some sun
protection. It double S the time that you
can spend outside before your skin burns.
Wow. It's not.
You've tested this? Oh yeah, there's a lot of data.
There's ten years worth of data. Behind really amazing.
Yeah, it's awesome, and it's not a replacement for sunscreen.
Sunscreen has its role in protecting your skin from the
outside in. Shade and shelter protect your
skin from the outside in, but this is a way to increase your
skin's resilience to UV exposure.
I remember seeing something like that on the website.
There was some bold claim. I think that was it.
Yeah. It increased double S the amount
of. Time, yeah, double s the amount
of time, yeah, that's why. And especially if you, if you
know you're going to have like a event coming up or a trip or a
hiking, you know, or a fishing trip or what have you, yeah.
Starting in a week before increases your skin's UV
tolerance even more. Wow, Yeah, it's.
I love that it has astaxanthin. Yeah, that's an ingredient we
use in a lot of our topical skin care products and our plumping
serum, our Antioxidant bomb. It's just an amazing antioxidant
for the skin. And it's not well known in the
skin care space. So for some reason it's it's
like overlooked but well known more in the Wellness, health,
nutrition category. There's several really good
studies that looked at actual objective changes in skin health
and appearance with astaxanthin dosing anywhere from 2 to 12
milligrams and you saw improvement in tone, texture,
elasticity, firmness and collagen production.
By taking it internally. By taking it internally.
So we added a full clinical dose of that.
Amazing. It's it's an amazing
antioxidant. Nobody talks.
About right, Right. And we have it here, actually.
Yeah. Let me try it.
Cheers. Cheers.
Sorry I didn't make a liver smoothie for you.
Next time. Next time.
This is Yeah, this is our first year of flavor.
Yeah. I figured if my kids will like
it, it's really bad. Anybody can like it.
Yeah. Thanks.
So. If someone's taking taking like
a multivitamin, well, anything, well, is it OK to take this at
the same time? So everything is water soluble.
Everything is at the right clinical dose but doesn't
interact with any medications that we know of.
There's also bio active collagen in there, there's hyaluronic
acid in there, vitamin C, glutathione, a few other
goodies, but doesn't interact with anything you take.
What about foods to avoid? Is there anything that you would
recommend people not consume if they want to increase their
resilience to the sun on an internal level?
So that's, that's a tough question because we haven't
identified foods yet that will necessarily increase your
susceptibility to sunburns or sun damage.
But we do know foods that will weaken your skin's immune system
and make your skin health worse. And what do I mean by this?
So we've known for many, many years, and I practice this in my
practice, that certain diets, certain foods will improve skin
disease. We can improve eczema, we can
improve psoriasis, we can improve acne.
These are quintessential skin problems with diet.
Will they cure them? Not necessarily per SE, but will
they improve them? By far I've.
Never heard a dermatologist say that and I struggled with acne
in junior high high school. I remember point blank asking my
dermatologist is there anything I can change about my diet or
lifestyle that will help this and she said no it is purely
genetic. There's nothing you can do.
Just keep taking these antibiotics on and off for years
and years and years and putting these creams on your face.
No, SO I'm sorry about that. It's amazing like how much more
full you are when you are prioritizing animal based
protein and how much easier it is to maintain a healthy weight
once your body gets used to that and kind of craves that for
energy versus junk food for energy.
Yeah, yeah. And I think that's an important
point to bring up for people that there will be withdrawal,
you know, I mean, you know, during my residency after
medical school, I would sometimes do rotations in like
detox clinics and stuff. And we would see people who'd
come into the ER with benzodiazepine withdrawal or
alcohol withdrawal. People can die from like alcohol
withdrawal. And I'm not trying to make light
of this or minimize that, but I think that it like we all and
there are detox Centers for alcohol, right?
I almost feel like there is an unmet need for like we have
processed food detox. Like what is a human to do?
And I'm saying this tongue in cheek, but kind of seriously,
like I think that it would serve a valuable purpose for humans if
there were a place where humans could go to detox from processed
food. Because most of us have had this
subjective experience where you stop eating this processed food
and you just crave it. And unless you have incredible
willpower, a family to support you, a community to support you,
because we do what people around us do, it's very easy to fall
and it's very easy for the convenience to take us down
because you're travelling, whatever you're travelling to
see your family in Atlanta or Florida or wherever.
I'm, I don't have food. My plans got changed and now I'm
in the airport and the only thing here is combos, which I
used to love as a kid. You know, there's like cheese or
protein, like the peanut butter filled pretzels or, you know,
or, you know, here's a, I'm just going to have one, you know, one
like 1 sandwich or, you know, one thing with like this deep
fried thing or this bread or, and then it can sometimes for
some people just 'cause this return to this, this pattern,
which is hard for us. You are notoriously not a huge
fan of vegetables. Most of us have been told our
entire lives to eat our veggies and prioritize veggies.
What is your take on vegetables and why may they not be as
healthy as everyone thinks they are?
So the way that I frame this now, and this is an evolution
and sort of the way that I've talked about this is like, look,
if you're thriving, don't change anything.
You know, if you're not thriving, if you have autoimmune
disease or insomnia or depression or any whatever
condition human might suffer from, maybe think about your
assumptions about nutrition. In my own life and the work that
I've done unexpectedly, I've probably encountered hundreds if
not thousands of people now that in real life and in emails and
comments and stuff who who say to me like, you know, when I cut
XYZ vegetable out, my elbow pain got better or my eczema got
better. So I don't think everyone needs
to be cutting vegetables out of their life, but I think for some
people who are uniquely sensitive from an autoimmune
perspective, the removal of vegetables is pretty incredible.
And when you think about it. So let's just take a step back.
What is a vegetable? A vegetable is the non fruit
part of a plant. What is a fruit?
Well, a fruit is the thing that gets sweet or colorful or has
seeds in it. So a lot of people don't know
that avocado, squash and cucumbers are all fruit, right?
So what is vegetable? Vegetables are leaves, spinach,
kale, cabbage stems, things like asparagus or rhubarb, and then
the roots and the seeds of plants.
I mean, people don't really think about beans and grains as
vegetables. Technically they probably are,
or the roots of plants like sweet potatoes or white
potatoes. And so those are the non
fruiting parts of plants. And if you look at human history
and you look at indigenous cultures, they sometimes eat
roots. When I went to visit the Hadza
in Tanzania, they will eat roots sometimes, but they generally
that's like their least favorite thing.
Yeah. There's a researcher named Frank
Marlowe who studied the Hadza, and he actually published a
paper. The title of the paper is Tubers
as a fall back food for the Hadza.
So he gave them a survey and he said, what are your favorite
foods? Invariably men and women.
Honey #1 honey is #1 #2 for men is meat.
And number 23 and 4 Thai for women is meat, berries and
baobab. Baobab is like this kind of dry
citrusy fruit that they get. It's the tree of life.
It's this really beautiful tree in Tanzania and probably other
parts of Africa. But so men, it's like meat and
honey. For women, it's honey and like
berries. And but for both of them, the
last one is tubers, right? So yes, when you think about
historically, tubers are probably the least harmful or
the least problematic for people, though some people are
quite sensitive to the nightshades and white potatoes.
But the stems and the leaves, the haza never touched them.
This is just not part of their culture.
Wow. They use the the roots of a lot
of plants as poison for their arrows.
They'll use leaves of plants as medicine if they have a stomach
ache, potentially parasitic or other things.
But it wasn't until so I was there with Anthony Gustin, my
friend, my business partner in Lineage.
I remember that. One, and he got he got like a
stomach thing when he was there. Not surprisingly, it's Tanzania.
And the first thing they do is walk over this Bush and they're
like, here, chew on this, chew on this branch.
OK, So that's when you use the vegetables.
Like generally within these indigenous cultures, plants are
medicine, not food, Not they don't have a value, right?
Just that they're medicinal, not food.
And so we've, I think that for a lot of people, we've kind of
flipped the, the hierarchy on its head, right?
We've been told red meat is horrible for you.
It'll raise your cholesterol. We've vilified red meat and
animal food, some of the most nutrient rich, Simply put, like
the most nutrient rich foods on the planet, we've vilified them
and subjugated them to the bottom of the hierarchy.
And we've taken, I mean, look, if somebody's eating unprocessed
food, I'm happy. But we've within the unprocessed
food realm, we've taken the vegetables, which are probably
the least bioavailable sources of nutrients and they have the
most toxins. Yeah, you have to eat a lot more
plants to get anywhere near the same amount of nutrition that
you would get from like one steak.
Well a lot of the thing that really important thing to see
here is that a lot of the nutrients in the steak don't
even occur in the plants. Creatine, carnitine, answering
taurine, B12K2, none of these things actually even occur in
the plants. It's not that plants don't have
value. Clearly humans can get some
value from leaves, but not as not in the same ways, right?
And so it's different and, and plants, to be fair and balanced,
plants have higher amounts of some things like beta carotene.
Well, animals have retinol form of vitamin A and plants have
beta carotene or there are a lot of plants that are pretty high
in folate. And if you're looking at animal
foods, you have to eat liver if you want to get folate or an egg
yolk. So you know, a steak doesn't
have everything, but it has a lot, and a lot of the things in
a steak are not actually found in any plant foods at all.
Let's talk about liver a little bit more and maybe this is a
good time for us to try our liver.
Smoothies, Yeah. So what's in here?
It's kind of separated a little bit.
So it's raw beef liver? Yeah.
Raw milk? No, no.
Strawberries, blueberries, raspberries, and lineage honey.
Let's go. So all right.
Pressure's on. Cheers.
I dig it. You like it?
Yeah, it's great. I mean, I love.
It's a little warm, it's been sitting out for a long time.
That's good. Give me all the fermented liver.
So what makes liver such so special?
So some people think about liver as the filter, which isn't
really true. The liver is where we have phase
one and phase two detoxification and that's how we detoxify
things. But then the liver excretes them
or packages them for excretion and poop and pee.
So the liver is kind of this enzymatic manufacturing plant
that like exports things and gets rid of bad things.
It's not storing toxins. It's not like helping the.
Body assimilate and get rid of them.
Essentially, yes, yes. And when we think about it, like
you can look at the liver of animals, it doesn't, it's not
just full of all the toxins the animals eating in its whole
life. Like obviously the quality of
the foods and animals eating effects the quality of the meats
and the organs, grass fed versus grain fed.
But the liver, I just think of it like the metaphor I use is
like when when I used to make spaghetti in college, you drain
the spaghetti into a colander and the spaghetti, the spaghetti
stays. That's not the liver is not just
a sieve, right? The liver is not a filter.
It's not like your coffee grounds in the liver, right?
It doesn't just catch everything.
It wants to take all that stuff that your body doesn't want and
export it. But because of that, because it
is such an enzymatic powerhouse, it is full of unique nutrients
that often don't occur in other organs of the body.
So that's what's unique is that when you look at an animal, like
a cow for instance, it's most of us like to eat beef or a
chicken. And you eat that animal from
nose to tail. And you don't just eat the
muscle meat. You get almost a complete array
of every vitamin and mineral that we know of as humans.
The only potential thing missing is vitamin C, but meat actually
contains vitamin C, does it? Yes, you didn't know.
That yeah, the spleen is the most rich source of vitamin C in
an animal. The liver has vitamin C.
The meat actually has vitamin C Now.
I think you can get more vitamin C from cherries and raspberries
and blueberries and and oranges, right?
What about Kiwi? Kiwi is a great source of
vitamin C but meat is known as an anti scorbutic.
So this history of the Limeys and Britain and this idea of
scurvy going across the ocean, they knew that if they eat meat,
that would cure scurvy. So meat cures scurvy.
So meat has some vitamin C. So really you could technically
say eating an animal from nose's tail contains essentially every
vitamin and mineral that you would need to thrive as a human.
If you ate fresh meat, you would actually get carbohydrates too,
because there would be so much fresh glycogen in the meat.
So the idea that like and I, I eat plants, right?
I but. For a while you didn't.
You only ate animal. A year and a half.
Yeah, so why did you decide to incorporate some plants and
fruits back into your diet? So I think that one of the
things I've been thinking about a lot recently is bio
individuality. And I was, it was an interesting
experiment for me. So the reason I did carnivore is
because I had bad eczema. So when I started carnivore, I
was in my residency in Seattle and I had eczema, an eczema
flare that was horrible. I think it was related to some
additional mushrooms I was using, not psilocybin, but like
chaga, reishi, Cordyceps. I was doing mushroom extracts
and I had a horrible eczema flare.
Interesting. And I had had eczema flares in
the past related to chocolate or unpasteurized dairy, or probably
things like tomatoes that I wasn't aware of.
Nightshades do seem to trigger my.
Eczema Lectins. In some cases, I mean, tomatoes
have lectins, all foods have lectins.
It just seems like plant lectins are potentially more problematic
from an immune system perspective than animal lectins.
But yeah, I think grains may have triggered my eczema in the
past. So I went strict carnivore and
for a year and a half I eat nothing but meat, fat and organs
and salt. Wow.
And isn't that hard? I I like doing these
experiments, so I I really I thought.
It was so gung. Ho yeah, I thought it was really
interesting. And that was the time when I
wrote the book about the carnivore diet.
And since then a lot of things have changed.
And I've I've all of my perspective on a number of
things. But man, there's a lot of people
who have really benefited from that type of a diet.
I mean, you look at Jordan Peterson and you know, a number
of people have reversed recalcitrant autoimmune
conditions with very simple elimination diet.
So there's a real, there's a role for it.
I found out that for me, adding back carbohydrates did not cause
an eczema flare if they were from fruit.
And I felt so much better. So I think there's a lot of bio
individuality here. And I'm trying to think now
about how to anticipate what are your genetics, right?
Where's your family from? Are you going to do better with
carbohydrates or less or worse? Because I have some friends that
say to me like, I think I feel better with high fat, low carb.
And I think, OK, well, that's great.
Like if you feel better with that and you don't have muscle
cramps. So I had sleep disturbance, I
had heart palpitations, I had muscle cramps.
My testosterone went from about 800 to around 505 fifty.
So it didn't go completely, you know, low, but it went pretty
low for me. And then when you added carbs
back in, it all comes back. It went.
From fruit and honey was what I started with and now I do squash
also. So squash is a fruit and, and
now I mean, I think that what I've learned about myself is
that I, I'm Mediterranean. My family is Saladino.
They're my dad's family's Sicilian.
So I think that, you know, probably somewhere in my
genetics is, yeah, your body likes carbohydrates.
And the more active I am, the more carbohydrates I eat and I
maintain leanness. You know, I don't, I don't do
any hormones. I've never done any hormone
replacement. I don't have a problem with a
man or a woman doing hormone replacement if they've ruled out
any reversible causes of low testosterone or hormonal
decline. But I don't take any hormones.
I stay lean. I stay muscular and so why, you
know, why would I eat less carbohydrates?
I think it's fine. I don't see an issue with
carbohydrates. And I also stay very insulin
sensitive. So I found out that works for
me. So that's really interesting.
So it's like, it's almost like I was getting, you know, different
aspects of the of the equation and trying to see more of the
full picture. Like, OK, look, I do think
elimination diets, this is to your vegetable question are
helpful for people, especially with autoimmune conditions,
right? When you cut out vegetables, if
you have autoimmune disease, it's probably worth a trial of
that. If nothing gets better, include
it. You know, if you love your steam
kale, knock yourself out. Just make sure you check your
thyroid labs because kale and broccoli and those foods do have
compounds in them that inhibit absorption at the level of the
thyroid and can affect the thyroid.
But this is the this is the story of vegetables that they do
contain defense chemicals. I mean that the leaves, the
stems, the roots, the seeds of plants are defended and they
have defense chemicals. It's the only way they can
defend themselves. Animals can run away, they can
attack bite. Plants don't have that
capability. Plants don't have the
capability. So some people are probably more
sensitive to this than others. But I mean, like over here,
people can't see it in the frame, but this is a beautiful
scene. There are sheep grazing on
grass. These are ruminant animals,
right? These are animals evolved to eat
that grass. We are not evolved to eat that
grass. Like, if I eat what that sheep
is eating, I'm not going to feel very good.
I might have diarrhea. I might have.
I might puke. It would be a very bad afternoon
for me, right? So all of these plants are not
just here for my eating. Like this is not good food for
humans. And even the sheep know this.
And if you take even ruminant animals like this and you can
find them in too small a paddock, you know this, I'm sure
they they sometimes have mass die off because they don't have
enough variety of plants to eat. They're not just eating one
single species. They're eating a little bit of
this one, a little bit of that one, a little bit of that one
because they have this intrinsic knowledge.
OK, that plant has this defense chemical.
My body can handle this much of it.
That plant has this defense chemical and this plant has this
defense chemical. So that this is what animals do.
They graze. They don't just need one single
species of food. Like, like we shouldn't, you
know, we're not going to be good if we just eat kale.
So they're, they're very smart about this and they even
appreciate that there are defense chemicals and food.
So yeah, it's, it's a, it's a nuanced thing.
I don't think everyone needs to cut out vegetables, but for some
people it's very. Helpful.
Yeah, it's something to play with.
Yeah. And I've known a lot of people
who have had autoimmune conditions that have gone
straight carnivore, not permanently, but for a period of
time, and have experienced a lot of relief from that.
Tell us just quickly, like where you've landed now, diet wise,
what you eat. Like maybe just a brief snapshot
of like what you eat in a typical day.
Yeah. So broadly, I eat meat.
I mostly eat grass fed beef. That's almost all the meat that
I eat. I don't eat fish because for me
it's not worth it because of the heavy metals, the PFAS, the
forever chemicals, and the microplastics.
I like fish, but I just don't choose to eat it.
So I think fish is good for humans.
If you eat a lot of fish, just check your heavy metals, right?
I just find red meat to be more enjoyable than chicken.
So I don't eat a lot of chicken. So but I eat meat.
I eat fruit, organic fruit that I can find hopefully locally or
in season. But one of the things I like
about being in the States is I can get cherries.
I don't get cherries in Costa Rica and they're one of my
favorite foods. So I eat a lot of cherries.
I eat berries in season that are organic.
I eat squash. I like spaghetti squash.
I like about to squash. I eat raw dairy.
So hopefully I can get raw goat milk or raw cow's milk.
And then I have animal fat. And then I have salt and.
Pretty much it. I feel like that is kind of
there's everything you need there and that's pretty much how
I try to eat as well. I do have some some nuts and
seeds, some chocolate sometimes, but for the most part, I notice
that I do feel the best when I'm eating the animal based type of
diet that you just described. So this podcast is kind of
fresh. We're still like under a year
and we haven't really gotten into commonly accepted drugs
like coffee, alcohol, topics like that.
I know you just came out with a coffee, but you don't drink it
yourself, No. Can you explain why you decided
to come out with a product that you don't personally consume?
You said you drink coffee. I do.
Jimmy over there drinks coffee. Martin from my team drinks
coffee. How many on your team drink?
You guys who drinks coffee? Everyone's.
Raised 100% of people over here. 100% OK, OK, so that's why I
made a coffee. Everyone on my team drinks
coffee and everyone I know drinks coffee.
My girlfriend drinks coffee outlier, right?
And so I was like, look, I'm going to make a good coffee.
This is kind of the the the benefit of of building companies
like lineage, right, is that I get to have agency with vision
aligned business partners like Anthony to bring products into
the world that are unique that don't exist for an audience that
is asking for them. So, you know, just because a
bunch of people say, Hey, I want this type of coffee or will you
please make a meat stick with the some really good high
quality grass? It doesn't mean the meat stick
can exist unless there's the people that can like bring the
project together, right, because it may not be viable and might
not be able to reach enough people.
This is what's awesome about what you do is that you've been
able to create products that people are asking for in a way
that they they didn't exist before you made them.
So this is actually like, I feel like this is art, you know,
making things for people that they benefit from.
This is what we do, and I feel really good about that.
I'm really proud of what we've done at lineage.
And you guys, I'm sure are really proud of what you do with
your stuff. And you should be because it's
very, very intentionally built. And that's that's very beautiful
for people to receive. And so with coffee, it was like,
OK, if I were going to drink coffee, which I probably never
will, I have. Have you tried it?
I have had coffee. I tried a little bit of our
coffee, OK, just to try it. But the last time that I had
coffee before that was probably 20 plus years ago.
Wow. When I was in PA school.
So before I went to medical school, I went to PA.
School and were you like addicted to coffee back then or
just never sat well with you I. It definitely made me feel kind
of hyped up, but I just didn't like the jittery things of it.
It's like my husband, he doesn't drink any caffeine.
Yeah, I mean, I think for some people it's not great, but if
you make a coffee, make it organic, make it shade grown
regenerative, test it for mold and test it for pesticides.
And so that's what we did. And so I wanted to make like a
really good high quality coffee. That's that's kind of what we do
at Lineage. Like, it's not interesting to me
to make something unless it's very cool and very unique and
very high quality. That's what we want to do.
So that's why I did it. And I think people loved it.
I think it's sold out on the first day.
Wow. Yeah.
I don't know. You need to get more coffee in
stock. What about alcohol?
Do you think alcohol is OK in moderation or should people
avoid it completely? I mean, life is worth living,
right? I don't drink alcohol.
I have had alcohol within my life, but never to excess.
I've I don't really remember the last time people ask me.
Sometimes I do remember the last time I had half a beer was my
first year of medical school. Wow.
So that was many years ago and I was running for class president.
Incidentally, I lost, but I was running for class president.
I was at a bar with people in the class and I was just kind of
hanging out and I had half a beer.
That was the last time, so probably close to 20 years ago
that I had a beer. I don't miss it in my life.
I feel like when I try and frame the alcohol conversation, I just
think that most people, I think everyone is smart enough, good
looking enough, charismatic enough to have friends talk to
people in bars without alcohol. Like people just need to know
that you're good enough without alcohol and it's not great for
you. We know that even 1 drink a day
averaged over a week thins the neocortex of the brain.
It's just not great for us as humans.
So there's these competing ideas that like, oh, you should drink
a glass of wine per night and then, well, well, one drink a
day thins the neocortex. So I see alcohol is like from
zero to 1. It's a toxin.
Like any amount of alcohol is toxic.
For all those studies about like the antioxidants and red wine
and the heart health benefits were those funded by the alcohol
industry. I don't know who they were
funded I. Heard something about that they.
May have been, I mean, but look, it's like foods are complex,
right? And something can be have good
qualities for us and bad qualities for us simultaneously,
right. So we just have to kind of weigh
them. You can't not be authentic, like
you're such an authentic person that you say what you mean and
you're not like thinking like how's this going to be
perceived? Like you can just tell that
you're just yourself and that's like super rare and awesome.
I mean, I really think honesty is a lot lost our in our
society. And I think, you know, a lot of
how I live my life, it comes from the Bible.
Like, you know, for example, thou shall not lie like that is
a commandment because when you lie, it destroys your life and
it destroys that connection with the people around you.
And so trying to live as honest as I can, I think it is really
important. Granted, I know there's
sometimes when you kind of like, I just like not go there when
you have some confrontation with someone because like there's
likely just no working through it.
But I don't know, I think there can be wisdom and not to
sometimes, sometimes. And granted, like my
sister-in-law sent me a Bible verse recently and it was like
with your brother, like work out, you know, try to work
through your conflict to the best that you can.
You know, I forget the exact verse.
I don't have that memorized. But yeah, I mean, like, I think
lying can come in different forms.
And sometimes it's something that kind of creeps into our
life over time and we slowly start to just accept it as
truth, even though it's not necessarily truth.
And a lot of society wants to live by, like, my truth versus
like, having some basic truths, for example.
Let's get really nitty gritty here with some intense stuff
like pedophilia for example. Much of society is starting to
accept it as normal and it's actually really not good.
And that should not be accepted as good and true and right.
You know, I recently saw a post on Instagram that says 200,000
people saw this and it was an older fellow engaging with a
younger girl. She was 16, he was 26.
Nobody mentioned pedophilia in the entire comment section.
And I'm like, how is society at large normalizing something that
is not OK? And it's truly because we're
losing truth and honesty and nobody wants to step on anyone's
toes now. Now because we just don't want
to have conflict. We're conflict adverse.
And so, yeah, I've just found in my life, a lot of the bigger
pains come from not being honest and not being truthful and not
being willing to work through, you know, some of the
challenges. And I'm realizing that's not
working. And yeah, I mean, I am more
honest, I would say, but like I am also choosing to be more
honest because I don't see the opposite approach working.
Yeah. And it's, it's helping others
when you can be honest and vulnerable.
But going back to what you said about like when everyone can
define what their own truth is, that could that can lead to such
a dangerous place right in society.
Like, rather than acknowledging that there is absolute truth.
And for me personally, I don't want to have to figure that out
in every situation. I would rather, like trust in
what God says is true. Yeah.
There's just kind of no limit, no end to what is right or
wrong, no clear answer to that when everyone is defining that
for themselves. Right.
And and that's the thing too is like, I think a lot of society
at large too. You know, I had a conversation
recently where we were talking about the lack of moral
foundation and having a moral foundation as a society at large
kind of keeps everyone in check. It like curbs where we're going.
But we are losing so much of that that we can't necessarily
pinpoint why are things so messed up?
Like why is there so many issues in this, this and this?
And it's because of this like watering down of moral truth and
that foundation that we so desperately need.
And yet I believe that even with that in my life, I still need
God to like, hold me tight and carry me through like my
mistakes along the way or the mistakes of my neighbors, so to
say. And so, yeah, I just, we have to
fight for truth. We have to fight for what is
good and right. And maybe that's simply by the
way you raise your children. You don't have to be like out
there on the streets, like trying to fight it all, so to
say. But yeah, maybe it's just the
way you do it in your own home. And, you know, I don't think
it's healthy to also like, be so politically engaged all the time
and like, seeing all the issues of the world constantly is like,
no one can really handle that healthily.
And so that's why I like, let's come back to like, let's not
spend so much time on social media.
Like, that in itself could help our health so much.
Or maybe it looks like training your algorithm to send you
health content and like comedy stuff that makes you laugh and
being like just in tune, like with what you're consuming so
that you can like not be so stressed out all the time.
And I love comedy. I feel like the older I get, the
more I just want to laugh. And like my husband and I've
gone to a few comedy shows lately.
We we saw Jerry Seinfeld was that good.
It's so good. Like, and he's he's getting up
there in age now, but he was amazing.
And then we saw John Crist a couple of months ago, too.
It was so fun. You would love him.
Wow. I need to find these people.
I'll send you some of his stuff. OK, Well, I wanna close out with
a fun rapid fire. OK.
That way, before we get out too, can I just say it primarily
appears deodorant. It's so amazing.
Like you, I feel like the deodorant industry blew it so
hard at the start of natural deodorant.
Like when we go back like 15 years to Tom's deodorant.
Oh, it's the worst. That did not work.
I mean, that's why that's literally why I was like, OK, I
need to figure this out on my own because Tom's didn't do it.
Right. Right.
And it's possible. I know it's possible because
I've been using just baking soda and coconut oil.
And that worked. Yeah.
But I wanted my husband to do it.
And he wasn't, didn't want to, like, rub stuff on his ROI.
So I was like, I've got to figure out how to do it.
And I spent so much time in my kitchen creating almost 200
different versions. Well, I was just kind of on this
action project. Yeah, of course I wanted him to
use it, but I needed to figure this out and finally had a
version that I was happy with. Yeah.
But anyway, I've been using that, you know, y'all's
deodorant for like 10 years now or I don't know how long really
you guys been around that lot? I feel like from very early on,
like, yeah, we just always left your deodorant in February.
I even like got a couple other deodorants along the way, like
in a pinch, you know, when you run out of deodorant and you go
to the grocery store to see what you can find and they didn't
work as good. So I always feel so bad, though.
I'm like, how many people tried Tom's deodorant and then never
went back into natural deodorant because they're like, there's no
way. And so now there's a way people,
there's good deodorant out there.
Family, if you are deodorant, it's amazing.
Well, thank you so much. I love that.
I appreciate you saying that. OK.
What is the most strange thing that you have ever done in the
name of health? I mean, I think for most of
society, like the enema scene is a little too much.
So do your off enemas. Yeah, we've been doing like a
special type of coffee enema. My husband and I even got my
husband into that. That's rare.
He's like, he's deep on the health care and he's doing
coffee enemas. I feel like, you know, a lot of
mornings he'll wake up not feeling amazing.
And I think he has some like, adrenal fatigue stuff going on.
And so we're trying to problem solve, you know.
Have you done coffee for Colonic?
Cover I actually, well, we just did a big old parasite cleanse,
which was super fun. And so we were doing, we did 2
enemas a day. We're doing 1 coffee and one
ozone, ozone water. Amazing.
Like I felt so good. Like that's so funny.
I was literally, I was showing my daughter these questions.
I was like, here's the rapid fire.
So I was like, what do you think she's going to say for the
strangest health thing? Yeah, she was, she said coffee
enemas and ozone. I was like, I don't think she's
doing ozone. I don't know if she's that.
Well, it's funny, decent Breakers gave us a ozone
machine. I'm like, OK, fine, we gotta use
it like still. So we got this cuz they were
moving a lot and they got really one generator too, but I feel
like that's super rare. Yeah, capability.
So we got that. I actually feel like I need to
be using it more like drinking ozone water or something.
But yeah, so we've been doing that and the parasite cleanse
was really interesting. I've been wanting to do one for
like 5 plus years, but I kept having babies.
So I hadn't been, I didn't do it until finally I caved and I was
like, I have to do it now. Which one did you do?
I did. What was it the sanctuary
Wellness? OK, it was, you know, for
example, it was all plant based, which I'm not big on that, but I
just cheated a little and did the mother lode of bone broth
throughout it because I wanted to make sure I was still getting
protein and a lot came out. I didn't like I'm not really
good at picking out the parasites, but I had something
called what was it a roundworm or it was like AI forget the
name. It's like a roundworm, but it's
not an actual parasite, but it's like a toxic build up and they
become these like hard long worm like wow, toxic.
It's filled with all different types of toxins and they're just
sitting in your gut. I like I lost like 5 lbs of gut
matter. Wow.
In that cleanse. So now I think I'm going to do
it like at least once a year. Do you have a guilty pleasure?
I would say like Newman's Oreos. Yeah.
I mean, Simple Mills ones.
Oh, are they? I don't know if we have, maybe
we have. They're like gluten free,
coconut sugar. Are they like seed oil free?
Because the Newman's have seed oils in them and we'll still eat
them every now and then. I've got, I can't remember.
Some Simple Mills stuff does the sunflower oil, but I feel like
these ones might not not I'm not positive though.
Yeah, I feel like a lot of my guilty pleasures are like ice
cream before bedtime. I don't even think it's that bad
actually, because when I went through that season of adrenal
fatigue and kind of like running on cortisol, one of the things
that helped me was eating a bedtime snack.
So I started having like cheese and fruit or milk and honey or
ice cream and like some, some sort of protein and that helped
me start sleeping better and not like waking up wide awake at two
or three in the morning. And so, you know, that's
something that's not celebrated like eating right before
bedtime. But that literally helps change
my reality from going from like waking up wide awake at two or
three in the morning for an hour or two to like being able to
sleep through that window. I might, like, wrestle a little,
but yeah, you know, that's why I said like, sometimes you have to
do what isn't actually popular. So eating right before you go to
bed is super unpopular. But that helped me in that
season where I was like super fried and my adrenals were
thrashed. And that came from the pro
metabolic community. And some of the advice I'd
received, like I did like a live blood analysis and a hair
mineral test and just kind of looked in on things.
And there is just a lot going on in my gut too.
But slow and pull, Fast forward, we're slowly cleaning things up.
Speaking of foundational things, sunshine is something I think of
as being very foundational, but it's something that we are
taught to either be afraid of or avoid.
But what are we missing out on when we don't get enough natural
sunlight? This is also another cornerstone
of being human, right and being part of nature's ecosystem.
Sunlight, our father son is, is literally the, the connection to
rebuild every biochemical process in the human body and to
turn on the innate immune system and to activate every
neurotransmitter and to build, you know, faculty after faculty
after faculty that, you know, everyone asks me, what's your,
what's your sleep ritual like? You know what, how important is
that? And I, I'm sleep hygiene is huge
in our home. Sleep comes number one, right?
But your sleep begins on the rise, right?
And if you are not waking up to your own accord, meaning you
don't have your own circadian clock in rhythm, if you're
immediately not getting outside, whether it's, you know, overcast
or not, the still there's, there's still radiation coming
through. If you're not.
Getting that window of light on your face, in your eyes, if it's
not getting your retina hitting, you know the nervous system.
There's all these technical parts, I won't bore you with the
science, but photobiomodulations entering our system and is
activating the nervous system to turn on that starts a cycle of
production of neurotransmitters. Acetylcholine turns into other
forms of phosphatidylcholine. These are what build cell
membranes. This is what triggers the immune
system. This is what activates who you
are and if you're skipping. That cycle, you're not only you,
you're missing out on all that, but you're not even in a
position to manufacture melatonin.
Melatonin begins on the rise. And so.
What you're saying is your night time routine, your sleep routine
starts the minute you wake up. That's right.
Yep. And you can't circumvent that
with, you know, pharmacology. You can't circumvent that with
any technology. You can't do a, you know, vagal
toning to super to circumvent that.
All the origin story begins with sunlight on the body, on the
naked body, if you can, on the in the eyes, on the scalp, big
muscle parts, all of that at least 30-40 minutes.
Now, am I advocating that you're in some Equatorial region not
wearing sunblock from 11:00 AM to 3:00 PM?
Of course not. That's the there.
There is common sense that applies here.
Also, everybody's skins a little bit different.
You know, people that are from Norway, they don't need as much
sunlight to to basically photo biomodulate the D3 production,
which is a hormone actually through the cholesterol of the
skin. They're just genetically
dispositioned to need less sunlight than someone who's from
more of an Equatorial region that's got darker melanin
production. So it's and they're also more
prone to burn, right? So it's really common sense with
sunlight. You got to get sunlight on your
face. But I wouldn't advise summertime
in Southern California to get direct sunlight on your face
from 10:45 AM to two, 3:00 PM. That's just too much of an
insult on the on the skin. If you're worried about.
You know, not creating spots or having discoloration or having
sun damage. So again, it's everything is
common sense and there's a dosage for everything to have a
practical value in your life. I completely agree.
I love that you mentioned common sense.
That's what I always say too. It's like it's a such a nuanced
conversation and the answer is not avoided at all costs.
Figure out what's right for you based on all of the different
factors that you mentioned. Is there a correlation between
consuming seed oils and your susceptibility to sun damage?
Yeah, the, the evidence is clear.
You know, if you have an accumulation of trans fats in
your body, they start to get pushed out towards the visceral
regions into the epidermis, into the skin.
And sunlight potentiates, you know, adipose fat turning into,
you know, toxic inflamed material and that causes
lipofuscan and other things to occur and can ultimately start
leading more towards more dangerous pathologies and things
of that nature for me. Every time you look at a label
or every time you got to go a little bit deeper than that too,
you know, you got to investigate who it is that it's coming from.
And that's really, at the end of the day, that's an act of self
love. You know, I, I think all of the
things we're talking about getting up, having a ritual,
getting your spring water in, hanging upside down, doing your
mantras, doing your breath work, don't touch the phone before you
do all of that stuff, whatever. These are all acts of self love.
And I think it's it's unselfish to do that because you are doing
these things for yourself so that you can be a better version
of you for the people in your life and for the world at large.
Hallelujah. Does anyone think it's selfish
to to do those things? I think some people think of it
as being selfish. And so they're like, I have to
do this. I have to, you know, get back to
this person, yadda, yadda. But it's like, no, if you don't
take that time to charge your your battery, you're not going
to be able to do the things that you need to do for others for
very long. I completely agree.
And and usually people that are so depleted are unconsciously
vampiric by nature, right? Exactly because if you're and I,
and I know this, I've just, I've been around the community, I've
been around different walks of people, people that are
completely depleted, mind, body and soul have no clue on what's
going on inside of them. They're usually in a, in some
form of escapism, right, because they're just, they got to escape
out of it. They don't.
Why they don't feel good? And those are the people that
are also reaching for things that aren't good for them.
You know, usually if you're if you're sick, you have autoimmune
conditions, you have fun fungus infections, you have rotting
cavitations in your mouth. There's a lot of people have
this. Your complete microbiome is
dilapidated. That's the person usually most
of the time that is reaching for something to just get him out of
that mentally because they're they're sex.
That's also the person who's not showing up for the next person
and who's unconsciously, you know, stealing energy from
somebody else. So, yeah, you're right.
We got to get, I guess, a little bit more selfish so we can show
up for people. We need a healthy population.
Like, I want someone to be the best teacher ever.
I want someone to be the best podcaster ever.
I want someone to be the best farmer ever.
I want someone to be the best tennis player ever, best surfer
ever. Whatever it is, in order to do
that we have to be on top of our game.
All the best versions of yourself come through a
committed practice of self love, and that's putting it back into
the ecosystem of friendship, brotherhood, sisterhood, family
love. I really want to meet someone at
a full glass because when we can meet together then the synergy.
Is real. We're not talking about.
Depletion, depletion. We're not even talking about 1 +
1 is 2 at that point when full glasses meet each other, it's
infinite potential. Every time I get with, you know,
some of some of my cool tribe, we just, we're cracking codes.
It's we're not talking about a bunch of regurgitated nonsense.
We're not talking about the weather for more than three
seconds. It moves on to something that's
significant. And we also are able to
challenge each other to get into places that are uncomfortable.
And that's really part of being human is getting uncomfortable.
Now, do I want to like make someone cry all the time or I
want to be on? No, of course not.
But you build A level of trust. And that's I think the point of
relationships to be that ultimate mirror.
If you're just unconscious together and hiding problems
together and escaping together, not only are you you're going to
go down together, but. Your life's going to just smoke
by before you even know it and you're and that's a whole thing
too. Yeah.
That's good. And that's not to say that you
can't ever like meet 1/2 glass fuller and kind of pour into
them and bring them up because we all, we're never all going to
have our glasses full all the time.
But if you put some intentionality into kind of
creating that baseline, there's a greater chance that you will
have more in your tank than someone who doesn't.
Before we fully move away from the sunshine conversation, I
have to ask you a question. I saw your Instagram post about
sunning your testicles, and I need to know more about this.
Is this something that every man should be doing?
What are the benefits? Tell us.
I mean, I like that. That was epic.
Everyone always asks me that. Yeah, I, I mean like we weren't
designed to wear clothes, right. Just like we weren't really
designed to live in buildings. We weren't designed to be living
in temperature controlled buildings and light controlled
buildings. These are all modern world, I
guess conveniences that have a Trojan horse aspect to it.
And so if we can get sunlight, perennial sunlight into areas
that have been completely shut. Off from the natural world,
we're probably. Looking at some increases in
biochemical responses in the human body.
And so there's some good data around sunlight getting into
that area that increases kinesis in the body, which then
increases hypothalamus, pituitary, adrenal access, you
know, follicle statin, follicle stimulating hormone and all of
the testosterone production that really activates mitochondrial
synthesis especially. And that is really driving us to
be at our peak. What do you think is the number
one cause of premature aging? Oh, I'm going to get a little
technical that let's just say aging in general, especially
when we're talking about our skin is going to be oxidative,
oxidative damage. And that's, that's like a super,
I'm hedging that answer quite a bit because that's a very broad
answer. And oxidative damage can happen
from sunshine, it can happen from smoking, it can happen from
poor overall health. So I'm going to that's going to
be my answer because it's very individualized as to what that
is. And but it all, a lot of it
boils down to that as the sub details this, it's oxidative
damage. Yeah, that makes sense.
And then just depending on what the person is exposed to the
most, like what that area of oxidative stress is in their
life, maybe it's different for everyone, but everyone and some
level is aging more quickly because of some type of
oxidative stress. 100% and it can be stress.
Stress can be the water you're drinking could be like all these
little minor details can play into that, you know, and but
that there's a lot of other factors that go into it, even
genetic things, of course, but that would be the probably the
common theme for premature aging.
Yeah, that makes sense. OK, so starting in the 20s, what
signs of aging do people in their 20s start to experience?
Yeah, Thankfully the 20s is one of our flatter decades when we
think of the curves, right, 80s, nineties, 20s are pretty flat,
but 20s and 30s, twenties are setting up the 30s, we'll say a
little bit. So there's things happening that
just aren't noticed as much on our skin from a structural
level. We're losing collagen and
elastin at some point, mid 20s and beyond, right?
For women, estrogen levels are still high.
Progesterone levels are still high.
For men, testosterone levels are so high.
So sex hormones are wildly important to our aging process.
That's one of the reasons that things are a little bit flatter.
Muscles are moving our skin. And you may start to see your
first little signs of wrinkles that you didn't have.
Like my 10 year old and 9 year old, when they move, they barely
make a wrinkle at all, even though if they're really moving
because their skin's so strong and it can stand up to that
muscular tension. But you might start to see those
first little signs forming in your 20s, definitely start to
accumulate some oxidative damage.
But one of the big ones is actually in the substructure,
right? So we have our skin.
It's the envelope that we're really talking about.
And underneath our fat pads, I always kind of say they're like
pushing up. They're holding up the skin from
below. And as you start to get the
first aging changes in your fat pads, you might notice a little
bit of loss of support on your skin, a little bit of contour
change on the surface. For some people, that's starting
to happen in their late 20s, but again, a pretty flat decade from
an aging standpoint. What do you think about
preventative Botox? Yeah, these young, young women
who are starting to get preventative Botox in their 20s.
Yeah, I'm a little bit more neutral about this in general
than I would say I am with filler with when Botox is well
understood as to what it does. Botox immobilizes or weakens
muscles. Sometimes it full on paralyzes
them, sometimes it just makes them not as strong depending on
the doses it's used in. But it helps to take tension off
the skin surface. Like I said, when my 10 year old
moves, you know, he's got a ton of force on there, but his skin
can stand up to it. If you do that when you're 65,
you're going to make a lot of wrinkles, right?
So you can, in the interim between those two, you can start
to weaken or soften those muscular force contractions and
take tension off the skin. So when you get to that, from a
preventative standpoint, you do want to start before you have
significant wrinkles, probably at those little first signs
where like, uh oh, my skin's starting to lose this battle.
You weaken. It's like a tug of war.
You weaken one side of the tug of war, right?
But then you get into all kinds of other things.
And again, I'm more neutral in these.
It's a toxin. You're taking away some of your
natural facial expression. By definition, when you're using
Botox, maybe you don't care if you can scowl and show that
emotion, but you're taking away a nonverbal communication and an
emotion. And I would say the one thing
with the Botox and Botox is Botox, Dysport, ZM and Daxify,
there's a bunch of brands of it. They're neuro, we call them
neuromodulators. The one thing I feel really
strongly about, and this is a very personal thing is if you
have a little kid, a baby, a toddler, somebody who a
predominant amount of your communication with them is non
verbal. I think you should not be taking
away those that ability to communicate with them by
immobilizing these important parts of your expression, right?
I think that the emotional and the non verbal and the
communication development of our kids revolves a little bit
around, think of a baby around what they're seeing in your
face. You're their mom.
It's your expression, right? I think dads too, I mean to put
that in there, but especially moms, if you have a baby, I
think you should be doing it. You should be doing it when
you're breastfeeding anyway. But even if you're not
breastfeeding, I think those emotions are really important to
show in that animation. So my little lens and a total
side note, but that'd be the one like I would say don't do it,
Yeah. Absolutely.
That totally makes sense to me. And you touched on the concept
of toxic load a little bit. This is something that we talked
about in this world where we are exposed to so many toxins, often
times at a rate that is quicker than we can detox from them.
Does that concern you at all with Botox?
Yeah, I mean, and a lot of them we don't even know we're exposed
to, right? That's a whole another podcast,
but it plays into that, right? So there is because it's your
toxin load is a is is mathematical basically like how
bad's a toxin? How frequently are you exposed
to it? How many other toxins you
exposed to? What's your inherent capacity to
detoxify these things? Which is again, I know this for
my patients when they're coming in because I have their they
have their genetic profile. So I know how good they are
detoxing. Which is a total side note, but
yeah, I mean, you're, you're adding to that load.
Certainly we do have a way to break it down.
That's why Botox is not a permanent solution.
It does get broken down and it adds to that, you know, overall
load. So I think it's a.
It's relatively small in its dose to do that, but it is 100%
part of that mathematical equation.
Yeah, I, I'm seeing a lot more anecdotal stories now of
different podcasters, people in the beauty world that are
starting to come out and say that they have experienced Botox
poisoning themselves. And so it's something that that
I'm just like always interested in, in getting different
perspectives on. Yeah.
I think that there's, I mean, little bit of a selection bias
for that for sure. We'll see what happens.
I think without them Botox has been around for a long long
time. What do you mean by selection
bias? Oh, it's very interesting to
talk about. You know, it's definitely you're
going to get a lot of attention and exposure by talking about
something like that, but be difficult to quantify what that
is. And you know, again, some for
something that's been. Like what percentage of of the
population? What toxicity is, you know, and
what else is it paired with? What other mycotoxins or heavy
metals or things do you have? Like how does it fit into that?
Again, that mathematical equation.
What's happening with it? What are your thoughts on facial
massage for preventing wrinkles or or patches that that women
are wearing at night to prevent wrinkles?
Yeah, this gets into that kind of what's happening through the
decades a little bit, right. And facial massage is we know
that we're having degeneration or loss of structure of our
tissue. That's really what's leading to
the aging changes in our face, massaging the face, facial
exercises. There's a lot of studies trying
to look at if this is going to have any appreciable effect on
what's happening. And interestingly, we know that
mechanical forces are one of the things that can break tissue
down or build it up depending on how it's applied and what tissue
it's applied to. So I think that it, I think the
jury's still a little bit, it's not going to not going to move
the needle a lot in either direction, in my opinion.
Same with like facial exercises. I think that I think that it can
make a difference if you do it very consistently in terms of
facial massage. I'm not facial exercise, I'm not
as don't have experience with, but I think that it's not
something that you'll do and you know, once a week and and it's
going to make a big difference for you.
But it does make sense to me that if you are massaging the
fascia and boosting circulation in that way that it would be
good for the tissue and like healthy.
Something that would really help to do long term.
Yeah, there's a big confounding variable here with that.
And that is the what happens with the lymphatics, right?
That is where improving lymphatic drainage we know is
let's just say good for tissue. That kind of tends to be the the
limiting factor for a lot of the flow from, you know, it's
getting extravasated out of our blood into the surrounding soft
tissue, then cleared away. That's certainly an area where
even like recovery from surgery or recovery from life is
improved with massage, right? But I just, it's the long term.
What is that doing the long term?
We know that there's an immediate benefit to doing that
for sure. So yeah, OK.
I think another thing that a lot of people in their 20s start to
look into are chemical peels and photo facials.
What are your thoughts on those? Yeah.
And so with chemical peels, that's another idea of a little
micro injury to the skin. In this case, using a chemical
to disrupt the skin surface and stimulate a response that builds
a little bit of collagen or adds a little bit back to like most
of our injury responses in our skin, create some new collagen
or as we get to better ways to create new elastin tissue,
that's what we really want to want to create.
Interesting. OK, moving into the 30s, I know
that is when I started to notice a lot more visible signs of
aging in my skin, especially around my eyes.
Yeah. So what are what is typical for
people to experience in their 30s and and what can we start to
do about those? Changes, yeah.
Eyes are like one of the first areas that show it.
And anatomically, that's the thinnest skin on our body, right
around our eyes. It's like 100 microns .1
millimeters thick, and there's no subcutaneous fat there.
That very thin skin lives right on top of a muscle.
That muscle is highly mobile, so it breaks down faster, right?
That would be an area where Botox could help prevent that if
it was used preemptively. So that would be where you
really see people or where I really see people seeking out
their first reaching out as far as like what can I do for this
from this anti aging perspective?
Yeah, I know a lot of people my age are starting to do
microneedling treatments. What are your thoughts on
microneedling? Microneedling is a great entry
point into skin rejuvenation because it's taking that little
micro injury that we talked about and just upping it a
little bit into some depths of the skin does a good job to
create an injury without much of a byproduct.
It's better when it's done with growth factors applied something
like PRP that a lot of people have heard of a stands for
platelet rich plasma. That's growth factors that we
take out of your own blood. And the reason that it's better
for that is because of this little thing I mentioned before.
This is going to become a theme as we move forward is it's
really easy to create collagen. Cuts, scars, injuries create
collagen. We really want to create elastin
tissue. Elastin is a much more delicate
part of our skin. It's what gives it the
elasticity, as the name would imply.
It's much more prone to sun damage, oxidative damage.
It's harder to recreate it once it's gone.
And something like these growth factors when they're applied,
whether it's after a microneedling or after a laser
can up regulate the creation of this elastin in comparison to
collagen. That was what I was going to ask
you about. So do you think that these these
treatments like microneedling or lasers that create these little
injuries in the skin, do you think they can be detrimental if
they aren't paired with a growth factor of some sort?
They're going to be less robust if they're not paired with the
growth factor and you're going to get a different concentration
of collagen to elastin, but not from a detrimental standpoint.
It's not going to pull from like your skin's nutrient stores over
time if you're like continuously injuring the skin without like
helping it to repair. Yeah, you'll see when somebody
sort of overdoes it and that would be maybe on an individual
treatment standpoint versus repeating multiple treatments.
Our skins relatively good at regenerating.
It's wildly rich with stem cells from our skin surface.
We can, for example, we can treat your skin with a laser in
a very different fashion that we can treat even your neck and
chest that responds so much better.
So when somebody goes overboard with treatments, it's usually on
those individual treatments. And if then they get more
collagen than elastin, say, and that changes the composition of
how that skin moves naturally because it becomes more
structural and rigid than it does elastic.
OK, and what about lasers? The world of lasers is so
complicated and confusing. Can you like breakdown lasers?
Like categories, subcategories. Yeah, this is a big, this device
topic is huge, right. So LASERS is an acronym for
Light amplification by Stimulated Emission Radiation
light. Those are light based things,
one single wavelength by definition.
And that wavelength has a target in our skin.
That target reacts to that single wavelength of light and
we create an effect. It's usually heat that causes
that. Then we have other devices like
these micro needling radio frequency devices, right?
With all of them, I'm going to say if anything promises to
lift, run, don't walk. Run what?
About tightening. Tightening, same thing, the
magic bullet. We're not going to tighten and
lift and cause elevation, right? There's these like micro changes
of tightening that happened, but that should not be the reason
you are doing these devices. If that's what's being sold to
you, get away. It's not going to work, and if
you're lucky it does nothing. If you're unlucky it's going to
damage you in that process in an attempt to lift and tighten
right? Not a great idea.
So the question was, what is the cause of inflammation?
And everybody was chasing food or air, water, all of these
things. And I said, you know, this is
whatever's causing inflammation is a universe.
It isn't based on brewberries or it isn't based on because I know
cultures that have never eaten a brewberry in their life.
I know cultures that have ever eaten a salad in their life.
I know other people who have never eaten meat.
I know people who live entirely on all these health are sort of
still exist in all of these cultures.
So there's, there's something other there's and it all started
in the 1950s and 1960s. I said, what happened in the
1950s? What happened in 1960?
They caused inflammation to explode.
Because that's even a new term, right?
That term didn't exist in. The new term in 1960 and I
didn't start on any of this until the late 90s.
And so anyhow, my objection, my mission was to understand what
is causing the inflammation and what, Why does grounding prevent
inflammation? Well, I spent 30 years grounding
everything to the earth to prevent fire in a in an
electrical environment and to maintain electrical stability of
operating and functioning electrical equipment and to
prevent static charge and all this stuff.
So it all was intuitively laying in my background.
I didn't have enough background in biology to really make sense
of it until one day I was reading a paper about how the
immune system works. Normally, you have a pathogen in
your body. The immune system recognizes
more specifically, let's say a neutrophil white blood cell, and
it's automatically swims over and it wraps itself around.
It's kind of a Jelly cell, wraps itself around the pathogen, then
it releases like what we call reactive oxygen species.
So reactive oxygen means it's highly electrically charged.
The electrical charge is so significant it can RIP an
electron from the shell of a pathogen and destroy it.
That's how the immune system works.
So what's happening is after the oxidative burst, after the
immune system destroys that pathogen, if there's any of
these remnants of this radical leftover and it's only going,
it's electrically charged, it's what we call hot, it can still
do damage. So if there's nothing to if you
don't have enough redox potential or enough free
electrons to reduce that electrical charge on that
radical, then it's going to steal an electron from something
in the environment, which is another healthy self.
For the cell, it's just this chain reaction.
So it sets off a chain reaction. So neutrophil after neutrophil,
damage after damage, it turns into a fire, what we call
oxidation. Oxidation means fire.
Yeah. So it's oxidizing healthy
tissue. And and if it gets out of
control, the immune system gets so compromised trying to put out
a fire that it itself is creating that it can't take care
of the rest of the health of the body.
So what caused this? So me is very simple.
I mean, it's just cowboy lodging.
I'm pouring water on a fire here.
I'm pouring electrons on. If I put electrons onto the body
and the fire goes out and it's like talking and reducing
radicals. And so that was the big aha.
Putting out the flame of inflammation.
Yeah, I was putting out the fire of inflammation, but I wasn't
using food or but anyhow, involved at that time was these
diets and those diets, this exercise, all these things in
there. I said, wait a minute, exercise
creates inflammation. It's number one creator of
inflammation, this and that and so on.
I said, but it's OK, you know, everybody go so.
But I kept working through all of this.
And so that's when we start kept doing the studies, more studies,
but each study that we did, whether it was biofeedback and
measuring the nervous system or measuring heart rate variability
or it did matter, we've natured everything.
But no matter what you do, as soon as you ground the human
body to earth, the body becomes flooded with free electrons.
Immediately right. It's almost it's.
You can measure that, yeah. And there's more to it than
that, but for simple reasons, it's it's the body that absorbs
the energy of the earth, and the earth is negative.
When you take care of each off the earth, then your body
becomes positive. All these studies were about
validating the fact that if I ground the human body, it
changes Physiology, it changes functions of the immune system.
First of all, it reduces the radicals that are in the body.
Grounding works the speed of light.
You instantly ground the body and instantly you.
The body now has a reservoir of free electrons that are on that
can instantly go and reduce these radicals.
The inflammatory damage that has been done over this years or
whatever is still there in the immune system has to repair all
of that and return it to normal. But it's you have to put the
fire out before the immune system can clean up the debris.
Yeah. And once that's cleaned up, then
it can go back to work and return the body to normal.
The only thing the body knows is to return it.
The host is immoral. Right.
Yeah, I've heard you explain it with different autoimmune
conditions like Ms., in the sense of the when you start
grounding people, they get rid of the Ms., They don't have the
Ms. anymore, but they still may have some damage that needs to
be repaired by what the Ms. did to their body when they had it.
Yes. And I learned that because in
the early days, I mean, in the MSI learned that and Lupus in
the early days, because the only people I could get to as
subjects were patients of rheumatologists who had lupus.
And Ms. said you've got to take care of, I can't do a thing for
them. You did babysit them for a while
because it's pretty, because they all used to say, well,
you've got Ms. So all you need, all you can do is get a
comfortable bed, get one that goes up and down, get a big TV
and get comfortable because Ms. does not get any better.
This is just 24 years ago. So I started granting people
they started getting better. The Ms. would subside and
eventually got to the point where I could take any woman
with Ms. and say sit down and I would put an electrode patch on
her hand, ground her to the earth and in 15 minutes her
circulation would start to pinking up.
I mean, her circulation improved, her respiration
improved, her oxygenation went up, her blood vent.
Now I knew this now, I didn't know it at the time.
Sometimes and all of a sudden she would feel better.
The pain would begin to subside because the pain, the Ms. is
tough because it's neutrophils oxidizing the Vylon sheath,
exposing raw nerves. They felt painful.
Yeah. They can't even control the
muscles. But one girl that I grounded,
she came and driven them quite a ways.
And she had severe miss. And I felt that I couldn't put
her in the study because she had no control.
And she had bladder issues, supposedly.
And so we, I said, because you drove here.
So I'm going to explain to you what we're doing.
And I'm going to give you a couple things you can take home.
Maybe a belly. So I set her in a chair and she
said she only could go only 1520 thirty minutes without having to
go to the restroom. And I said because I can't do
that. So here about an hour and a half
later, her tunnel, her hand was going all over the place like
this and she had to hold it. But 1/2 hour or so later it had
calmed down. Her pain had calmed down.
Her color had changed. Her demeanor had changed.
She smiled. She was.
And then she. Took 1/2 hour.
No, it was about no, over an hour at this time.
So yeah, then she did have to go to the bathroom.
So I said fine. I took the stuff off and she
went into the mirror and she started screaming.
I mean, in the restroom, she said.
Oh my God, I look like myself again.
Oh my goodness. Yeah.
Wow. And anyhow, so but through her
and a couple others, I finally got to the point where I could
take any woman with Ms. and see, I don't care what your
situation, just sit down and trust me for a bit.
It's not me, it's trust nature, you know.
And so I would patch him and I'd say usually within 15 minutes, I
said you no longer have MSI, can actually see that in one minute.
You no longer have Ms. because Ms. is neutrophils oxidizing
tissue around, you know, the myelin sheath and exposing the
nerve that's Ms. during damage. As soon as I ground you, the
radicals are being reduced and so they can no longer attack the
myelin sheath, but the damage that has been created that
hasn't gotten. So you have to stay grounded to
prevent the inflammation from oxidizing any further.
But you don't have Ms. now you're in recovery.
Unfortunately, in order for you to recover, you have to be grown
to 24/7 until you return to normal.
I can't do that. Well, I'm sorry, but you can't.
It depends on, you know, anyhow, so.
Your products to supplement. It's it doesn't matter how you
do it. Yeah, you know, I mean, you just
do. It but it's possible to do it
while being indoors, while sleeping, while driving your
car. Sometimes, yes, you have to be
careful. It's like I remember one woman
in Santa Barbara, she had severe Ms. Lupus.
So I made her like 100 foot cord, connected it to a ground,
electrical ground, and then put a cuff around.
So a foot band. Well, everything was made by
handbook and so she could walk around the kitchen, do dishes
and do things at home so she could always be grounded.
And then when she sat down, she was also sitting on a mat.
But she recovered. Protocol for any autoimmune
condition it. Depends.
This girl was bedridden pretty much and her doctor was the one
who called me within. Within 6-8 months, she was
driving a car again and, and out and about.
Nobody could believe it. And I remember one time I was in
down in San Diego or something and she broke her wire and she
called me on the phone and panicked.
I said to come and fix it and I said I can't fix it for you.
I'm 300 miles away. And so, but she was just
totally, you know, hysterical because she was so fearful of.
Because the pain will come back because she still has all that
damage. The immune system is slowly
working. But I can also make that
statement about your inflammation related health
disorder. And that's a broad statement
because today there's over 100 modern health disorders that
most people suffer from. And they're all what they call
inflammation related health disorders.
Some manifest as lupus, some manifest as Ms. some manifest as
cancer, some manifest as cardiovascular disease.
But these are all unnatural health disorders because
inflammation does not exist in nature.
You are under a personal injunction with the FDA not to
talk about raw milk or the benefits of raw milk, I should
say on your company's channels. But since we are on the Grounded
Wellness podcast, you're able to talk about raw milk.
Tell us the benefits of raw milk.
The FDA thinks I'm really special.
They singled me out to make sure I didn't.
They love you. Raw milk is the first food of
life. A baby is born, does not have an
immune system. The gastrointestinal tract is
basically a devoid of bacteria. There's no diversity of
bacteria. There's no food to feed the
bacteria. The Velcro cord is cut and the
baby's on its own. What's it do?
It goes to nurses from mom. That's raw milk.
And it is qualitatively, In other words, the kind of cream,
the kind of protein, the kind of enzymes are practically
identical between cows and humans.
And mankind's been consuming raw milk for about 15,000 years.
And so it's only been about the last 80 years where it's been
treated in such such a way to lose all of those really
important blueprints of life, those bio actives that are so
powerful and health giving. And they've just been not talked
about in the pasteurized community.
Well, the dollar voting is talking about it now because
people are buying less and less and it's going a decline of
about two to 10% per per year depending on what market you're
looking at. Pasteurized milk.
Is pasteurized milk. However, our raw milk is growing
at 1% a week. Unbelievable because of the
interest in this first food of life and the fact that what's
its job to build an immune system that did not exist
before. Remember, that immune system's
80% made-up of the gut microbiome, the bacteria and the
food that feeds it. And the structure is the mucosal
lining. And so when your gut is well,
you're well, inflammation's in check.
And post COVID, people are looking for that food because
they never no longer want to be caught with their immune systems
down right. They want to be ready and
adaptive and resilient to the next threat coming through
health, not through some shot or something.
Yeah. And so and.
I'm so glad that people are now thinking that way because when
COVID was happening everyone was just had the mindset of I don't
want to get it, I just want to avoid it.
Like avoiding it rather than building up the body, building
up the immune system in order to be strong, to fight, something
like that. That's exactly right.
But now people are are trying to do that.
Yeah. Well, if you really look at what
the immune system is, 80% of it is the gut microbiome.
And what is the gut microbiome? It is the diversity of bacteria
and the food that feeds it. That's what the gut microbiome
is. And the structures around like
the mucosal lining and stuff. And when you think about it, I
mean, hundreds of thousands of people with Crohn's disease and
irritable bowel syndrome and ulcerative colitis in the United
States, that defines gut inflammation, which means you've
got those three things missing. No good food, no good bacteria,
and gut structures are shot and inflamed.
So it's a movement back towards taking control of your life
through whole food nutrition. And raw milk is the first freak
of life and probably the queen of the whole food.
You know, wonderful choice. Talk to us about the process of
pasteurization and how that came into play in America.
Well, think about it, all through the ages, what would
Jesus eat? Land of milk and honey.
It was raw, right? Thousands of years, 15,000 years
ago, mankind was able to stop fishing, stop hunting and stop
farming and have a domesticated animal nearby that you're able
to catch your milk from and eat today and take that animal with
you. As long as you had rain and
sunshine and grass, you could eat today.
And so it served a very, very important domesticated
partnership with mankind for the ages, for forever.
Come 18 fifties, 1850 ish, you start having people take their
cows with them into bigger cities where they no longer had
green grass and water that was flowing down the streams.
It was clean. And you had the cows being
confined and being fed Brewers, distillers, grains and other
trash. And there's no clean water, no
flushing toilets. It was filthy.
Typhoid fever, tuberculosis, tuberculosis.
It was really cold in the morning.
Your milk of the cow by hand, you put your feet in the milk to
keep it warm. That's the kind of milk we're
talking about. It's disgusting.
And it became something called the milk problem.
Well, two pathways began in 1893.
Doctor Henry Coit said let's clean up the milk.
Let's certify the milk. The milk to to have it continue
to flow to the Mayo Clinic to heal people.
But it has to come from farms with green pastures and it has
to come from farms with clean water.
And we're going to test to make sure that milk is clean.
They were using raw milk in the Mayo Clinic.
Yes, to treat people for for what, exactly?
All kinds of things, you name it, they were treating.
They had a whole milk diet there and that that that went through
the 1920s and 30s. They they were using raw milk
from the certified, the AAMMC with Doctor Henry Coit, the
American Association of Medical Milk Commissions for years at
the Mayo Clinic. There's books written about it.
At that same year, in 1893, Mr. Strauss brought in the par
boiler. Well, this came from France.
It was used to make wines and beers and alcohols and stuff to
kill bacteria so that the yeast would grow and it was part of
the fermentation process for alcohol.
It was never used for milk in France.
He brought this system in and poured all this filthy milk that
they were getting from these downtown distillery dairies into
this par boiler. He cooked the living heck out of
it. But what do you know, overnight
40% of the people less died still had problems because water
quality was so terrible. So they, Oh my gosh, a fantastic
revolution. We have cheap milk in downtown
to feed people and you just cook the heck out of it.
So they just figured out a way to sanitize the milk?
Yeah. But it took to quote.
Off a lot of the. All of the good stuff.
All of it. Doctor Bruce German, bless his
heart, he's the the founder of the International Milk Genomics
Consortium, said pasteurization is an 18th century solution to
an 18th century problem. We can do a hell of a lot better
and that's exactly what we're doing.
And so if the farmers have good standards or train of those
standards feed their cows well, do testing, they have a
completely different kind of product.
But if you don't care because all you're doing is chasing the
weight of the milk, it's going to go off your pasteurized and
all your neighbors dump the milk in the same truck and who cares
what goes there? And the bacteria standards are
through the rough, including pathogenic bacteria in that milk
because it's all going to get cooked with A5 log kill.
You have two different kinds of milk, raw milk for people and
raw milk for the pasteurizer. And we do raw milk for people.
Entirely different proposition than raw milk for
pasteurization. So what are the health
implications of pasteurization? What?
How does that change the final product and what it does in the
body of the person who's drinking it?
We all have Google look up the most allergenic food in America,
pasteurized milk. When you kill all the
bioactives, you inactivate all the extracellular vesicles that
are there. They're so important to the
vital nature of this first food of life.
When you've destroyed the fat cell, which is now be considered
an immune cell by some scientist because it's all the traits of
being an immune cell, which is phenomenal, right?
When you destroy all of that through pasteurization,
homogenization, supplementation, back to fugation, Every other
Asian you can make up, you have a very allergenic food that does
not have bio actives that help you with your health.
What you got is basically cereal, cereal lubricant.
That's what it is. And yeah, there's fat, yeah,
there's protein. But the bio act is to help you
like the lipids, there's no lipase to help digest the
lipids. The fats, the proteases are
missing. The the the peptidases are
missing to help digest the the the proteins the.
Lactose. Is missing the lactose.
Is missing the lactase. There's no lactase in milk
though, but the bacteria that makes lactase is in milk.
So remember, lactose is the milk sugar.
It is a fantastic prebiotic. Prebiotics are food that feed
probiotics. So if we ingest lactose, if we
also have the accompanying probiotic bacteria like
Lactobacillus bacteria, bacteria, other colorful
colorful bacteria that digest it and make lactase for you, you
don't have lactose intolerance. And that's what people take as a
supplement who are lactose intolerant when they choose to
consume dairy. But it's all there already in
the raw form. In our community, we call it
pasteurization intolerance. Yeah.
The Maasai black is coal from from Kenya.
They win all the Olympic stuff because they're such good
athletes. They drink raw milk from cows.
They have no problem with lactose intolerance.
They don't have the lactase persistence gene either.
Those black people come to America.
They have a hell of a problem with the fact that we have
pasteurized milk. I know a guy, Maasai warrior,
his name is Camelli. I gave him 8 gallons of milk a
week and he got rid of Crohn's disease 8 years ago, but he
lived in Kenya. Go to the Mongolians and out of
Manchuria. They're all Asian, Chinese
people. They drink mare's milk, raw
mare's milk. They're athletes, they're
warriors. No problem at all with lactose
intolerance. They do not have the lactase
persistence gene. Interesting, I've never thought
about that with ancestral cultures that rely on milk as a
huge part of their diet. Like lactose intolerance is not
a thing in those cultures. It's a current world problem
with highly processed milk. Yeah.
OK. And then something I actually
don't really have a good understanding on is
homogenization. Can you talk about what that
process entails? The fat globule is a three layer
lipid structure that's considered to be literally an
immune cell because it has micro RNA.
It's got all kinds of things in. It's got bacteria, it's got
enzymes, it's got alkaline phosphatase, it's got the
butyrates that make butyric acid for your lower gut.
It has dietary fiber in a fat cell.
My God, right. It's incredible how they send
that through a screen at extremely high pressure,
thousands of pounds of pressure per square inch.
It's called a homogenizer that destroys that butter fat and
makes it into shreds. Wow.
So homogenization is a choice. It's not a requirement to
destroy the best part of milk. Why would anyone choose to do
that? Because the fat doesn't rise to
the top anymore. Oh, so it's just a?
Back in the 1920s. Check this out, Bethany.
It's like, Oh my God, pinch me back in the 20s.
Remember that they would deliver raw milk to your doorstep and
pasteurized milk to your doorstep and people would always
say, I don't want that one. It doesn't have enough cream on
the top. They'd buy the milk by the cream
layer because that was the good stuff.
It was the delicious, wonderful life bringing wonderful thing.
Makes it taste so good. So they, the marketing people
said don't worry about the cream, it's all mixed together,
doesn't float to the top anymore because we homogenize it.
And by the way, they were able to buy a longer shelf life as a
result too, because the fat wouldn't ferment as fast.
So it was a marketing choice to extend shelf life and not have
competition in the marketplace. And the other thing is you could
mix in other things and homogenize too, like dried
powdered milk, other things to make it have better mouthfeel.
And you can keep the butter fat to make butter and make money.
OK, so you hide the cream and do something else and say, oh, it's
homogenized and you can take the butter which made the butter
fat, which made money. So all about the money.
The more you look at this, it's not conspiracy, it's all about
the money. The conspiracy comes from them
trying to protect themselves to keep the money because they
don't want people don't want the product anymore and all the
shenanigans they do to try to protect themselves from losing
market share. So now as we were talking about
earlier, the FDA, you're their favorite person.
I am, I feel so honored. So I.
Really am what is the motivation behind that?
Is there? Is it just to protect the dairy
industry as a whole and these processes that they've come to
rely on so heavily? Remember, under the FDA's mind,
the only raw milk that they know or that they acknowledge is
filthy. It has to be pasteurized.
I actually agree with that. I have no contention with that
The. Conventional milk.
Should be passed because of the way they've set their standards
up in multiple 8 generations of dairymen have been trained that
milk's dirty. It's got to go.
The pasteurizer. The pasteurizer.
People love it because it's cheap milk and they can make a
brand out of it and do their thing.
That's the only FDA acknowledged milk that they have.
They will not sit with me. They will not meet with me.
I begged for 1520 years to sit down with to talk to them.
They do not want to acknowledge their own pub bed literature
that's archived at NIH or CDC. They do not want to talk about
clean milk that's tested. They don't want to talk about
that because if they do, that means they have to acknowledge
that theirs is filthy and it's dead and the most allergenic
food in America and mine's not. And they'd have to acknowledge
the European study that show the same thing to be true.
So the FDA is literally burying their heads to the sand to not
acknowledge something that's true in science, which is
another kind of raw milk, which is clean raw milk.
Why is the FDA so beholden to these dairy companies that are
producing pasteurized milk? If you look at the FDA, the
people that work there came from those dairies, came not those
dairies, those processing plants.
And so they they're sharing back and forth between the FDA and
industry and they get golden parachutes back and forth
conveniently to protect themselves.
I've been at their conferences. I was asked said, if you want to
change things, go to the NCIMS conference.
I went there in 2007. I went there, went to Florida.
I presented to their science committee and I tried to go up
to an FDA person to talk to them.
They ran away from me. Like literally they ran, Oh my.
Gosh, as fast as possible and went to the hotel room and
closed the door and I didn't run after him.
I was like, OK, I'm not going to run.
That's that's ridiculous. I went and tried to find another
one and they turned their back to me.
So it is a absolute essential part of their paycheck.
And when it's a part of your paycheck not to do that, you're
not going to do it. Yeah, I think when we look at
sources, you know, fit mercury from vaccine or from vaccines,
from fillings, it was mercury vapor that close to the brain
and far more dangerous source than fish.
So when you look at the number one sources of mercury, fish is
down here. So you know.
But it's like the media says, focus on this one, so you don't.
See this one amalgam fillings is was the highest like source,
right. And so and we don't even
understand that even like lead for example, is it's what we
inherit from all that is actually the number one source.
And I, yeah, I would argue Mercury is up there too.
What we get from mom and utero is where we start life.
And then it slows down your detox pathways.
And now here you are years later, 20s, thirties, 40s, sick,
unknowing. It all started in utero, which
slowed down your cellular detox pathways.
Challenge them. Now your cells aren't able
efficiently to work the way they should.
Then your energy starts to go down as a first sign, right?
And then your glutathione pathways, that's a that's
something that your cells help remove things, toxins from the
cell. Then your methylation, which is
what protects your DNA and is also part of detox, that starts
to slow down. And now you start accumulating
every toxin, the microplastics, the pesticides, the other heavy
metals. And we didn't realize that it
was our exposure in uterus. But yeah.
So when you look at a graph, I think in my one of my
PowerPoints I show like, you know how these sources amalgams
vaccines and then down here is fish.
But this is what gives all the attention.
And you were you finally found out that it was Mercury when you
did a challenge test and that showed mercury.
I should I have mercury LED an odd pattern of a lot of stuff
showing that my detox pathways were absolutely challenged.
Can you explain what a challenge test is?
Yeah. So you're taking a water soluble
chelator, DMSADMPSEDTA. Those are water soluble killers.
They work, but they come in, they pull, and then you measure
it on your urine. Now here's the thing.
Very, very sick people oftentimes show oddly low on
that test even. And I say this to say there's no
perfect test because you look at it like autistic children, they,
you don't see anything. And that's now has become like a
sign of that's a problem. So and oftentimes you ask
people, how did you feel during that test?
And they say I felt horrible actually.
And yet nothing shows. So you know that it just backed
up and didn't come out and that's a that's a bad sign.
There's two people are typically very hard to detox and you have
to work with them to get those pathways working again even
before you start to detox. So what I teach is you, there's
a preparatory phase, a prep phase before you go into a body
phase, before you go into what is a brain phase, because what
is in the brain is years of accumulation and that's really
what makes people really sick. So most of the detox in
alternative medicine right now, if you will, functional
medicine, is three months of detox.
And it's typically using weak healers like Cruella, cilantro.
And it, they don't work, they make things worse.
But to get it out of the brain, it's years, not months.
And that's what people don't get.
And so I've spent a lot of my years being very, you know,
critical about the detox. We think it's as simple as
sitting in a sauna. I love saunas, but it's not
going to get the mercury out of the brain.
You have to be very specific about that.
OK. I want to get more into into
detox. I first want to focus on your
approach to treating the cell and why cell health is so
important for overall health because I've always thought this
like we are going to manifest diseases in different ways based
on our genetics and what we're prone to.
And I don't believe that genes are our destiny, but it's like
it all stems from the cell and people just show their
dysfunction in different ways. And I love there's something you
say that's you don't get well until the cell gets health you.
Don't get well, you don't get well.
Until you fix the cell. You, yeah, you won't get well.
You don't get well until the cell gets well.
Until you fix the cell. OK, until you fix the cell, can
you explain what that means? Yeah.
So there's so much here, right? So when, as I was explaining,
right in the cell is where we make energy or mitochondria.
OK, So there's so much there because.
So the reason why people can't lose weight, the reason why
people don't have energy, the reason why people have brain fog
arguably is that mitochondria, and we'll talk more about that.
But in the cells, you're also your DNA.
So to your point, your DNA is not your destiny.
The old dogma was you have diabetes or a thyroid condition
because your mother or father did.
Yeah, we know that's not true, I think.
A lot of people still think. That, yeah, because the medical
field still thinks that even though there's, I mean,
scientific literature has exploded that that's been gone.
That is so old it's ridiculous. But maybe 1 to 3% of diseases
are purely genetic. OK, that's it.
The rest are epigenetic, meaning you that gene gets triggered,
turned on. So when toxins start building up
in the cell, that gene gets triggered and turned on.
And that's a problem when your methylation decreases because
toxins are building up in the cell.
That jaw, its job is to protect that DNA.
Now it's unprotected. You trigger a gene turn on.
Now the good news is you can turn it off.
So, but the fact is, is until you get that cell working, where
it's detoxing, where it's protecting the DNA, where you're
making normal amounts of energy, which determines how well you
detox, how well your brain works, right?
All of that is determined by what we do in the cell.
So you get sick by yourself, but that's where the solution lies.
So you won't get well until you fix the cell.
So that's why when people are doing all this detox, it's like,
well, look, unless you up regulate, meaning get active
again, what's broken the cells removing toxins.
Good luck. You're not going to ever.
You're going to be doing this sauna, this bath, this thing
that Yeah, but it's this, this is what broke in me.
It wore down to the point of exhaustion to the point where
toxins now are coming out of the cell.
And now if toxins build up in the cell, you make less and less
energy. You see, it's, it's this, you
know, this give and take thing. And, and the more the less
energy you make, the worse the detox gets.
Oh, and the more inflammation happens and the more
inflammation happens, the less energy you produce.
It just keeps going around in a circle.
But the reality is, is that if you don't fix those pathways,
you don't ever get your hormones working normal.
As a matter of fact, that cell will stay inflamed and inflamed
cell. Every hormone that makes you
feel good stay thin like you are your brain to work like it
should, right? To be even able to focus, walk
in a room and know exactly why you're there, not why did I come
here, OK, which brain focus? So many people, you know, this
is what they're suffering with, OK?
Those hormones have to attach to receptors that are right on that
cell. Like this little thing.
Think of that as a hormone receptor right there.
Thyroid hormone is just one example.
I could be talking about progesterone, estrogen,
testosterone. It has to attach to that, and
then it gets its messenger itself in that cell, and you
feel normal, Everything works great.
You make normal energy, right? Thyroid hormone works within
your mitochondria in that cell, and you burn fat for energy when
you're not eating. Everything's great, everything
works good. But what if something's blocking
this receptor, damaging it maybe, And now thyroid hormone,
even though it's normal in your blood, even though maybe you
take it and make it normal in your blood, if that receptor is
damaged and that can't get in that, it can't dock to that
receptor. Utilize it can't.
Utilize it. So that's why it's very in vogue
right now, especially in alternative medicine to take
bioidentical hormones and there's a time and a place,
especially if you don't have a gland to make them.
But fact is, is that most often we're making blood levels
normal. Matter of fact, when I was
looking for an answer, I got all my blood work because I knew my
thyroid wasn't working. But my blood work was still
normal. Now, maybe in 10 years, five
years, it would have been not normal, but it was still normal.
But what they didn't tell me was my thyroid hormone, my cells
were so toxic and inflamed that it couldn't get to that
receptor. It's called hormone resistance.
We understand insulin resistance meaning.
Which is also a hormone. Exactly.
Yeah. So it makes sense.
I've heard you talk about this like I've.
But I've never heard anyone say this before, like describing the
concept of hormone resistance. But.
But yeah, I mean, if we can have insulin resistance, we can also
have resistance to any hormone if the cell is blamed.
Yeah. Absolutely.
So what are like, what is your detox protocol?
You said it can take years. Is that typically the case for
most people that they need to do like spend years detoxing?
Look, you know, it depends on the toxin, right?
That they're major toxin. But once these pathways in the
cell start to diminish, now you start accumulating all kinds of
toxins, truthfully. But some people can do the right
my, what I'm known for is my cellular detox.
OK, and I'll explain this process that I've developed and
taught for 20 years. But most, some people can do the
right detox 3 to 6 months and start to feel better.
Where they start to like, come on.
Board right? Just depends on the bucket.
It's the. Yeah, exactly.
It depends on the bucket. Meaning this bucket.
And if we have two buckets, right?
This one's because she hasn't drank her shake yet.
This one's very full. This one's empty because someone
gluttonly sucks. Tugged it down.
I'm ready to drink. Her.
Oh yeah, I'm ready to drink her. OK, now I'm not going to do this
because it's too precious, but if this was water, I'd do if I
just put a little stress on this person because this bucket's
really full. Think of this as all of the
physical, chemical and emotional stressors and traumas that we
accumulated from the womb, as I made pointed out earlier.
And this person, even if there was just a little bit of water
in here, I could stress this. Look at this.
No, you know, nothing comes out. This one little bit of stress.
This is where people are living their lives right here.
This is where I was. And if you Remember Me saying
when I got those amalgams drilled out, the mercury, my
bucket was already so full it went right over, you know, so
you know, that's when the gene gets triggered.
That's when when your bucket gets to this point, now your
cells are just exhausted. No wonder your energy outputs
gone. No wonder you start triggering
genes. No wonder all these bad
symptoms. No wonder all the inflammation
increases and blocks your hormones.
Nothing works. Even diet doesn't work.
People are telling you to exercise more, you can't.
You don't have energy, you know, and all the hormones you're
taking, it kind of works and then it doesn't just
supplements. They someone's won't even get
into the inflamed cell half of them.
So blood levels not a good indicator of how you feel, even
if you make your blood look better.
And I think that's why so many people are frustrated today who
aren't feeling well and they go to their dark, they go to their
doctor and the doctor says, sorry, everything's normal.
Like you must be imagining it. Absolutely.
Did you face that same frustration in your?
Absolutely. I mean, I they looked at me.
I remember I spent $5000 on blood work, right?
Hoping for an answer. And the doctor came out and
that's when I ran all that mercury test too, right?
And he was like, you're healthier than me, son.
And I'm like, you know, that's not what I wanted to hear.
If you told me, you know, we think you have cancer, I'd be
like, OK, fine, let's go. You know, it's like at least
finally if there's. Something to fight.
Yeah, That didn't happen that
day. So, you know, my hormones look
normal, You know, just some things a little out of range,
but nothing that explained my illness.
Right. And, and today we're spending a
lot of money on, you know, different gut tests, snip tests,
these genetic tests and they're fun.
They're in, you know, but it's really not looking to why you're
sick, you know, and your genes don't determine your destiny,
nor do your snips. I have the MTHFRG and that's why
I'm talking. It's way more complicated than
that. It's not so simple.
And again, the reason you're sick is something has
accumulated in your body. It's about removing such as
giving so you know, and then I said I would explain the
process. So step one, what I teach is up
regulating all these functions. And we do that before we even
start detoxing because that is critical.
And in that prep phase, we get the cell starting to work the
way it should. And then we strengthen all the
downstream detox pathways. We support the liver, the
kidney, the gut, the limp, all that needs opened up before you
ever think about detox. And that could take one month,
it could take 3-4 depending on the person, just, you know, by a
lot of some of their functions starting to come back and then
say, OK, let's step into detox. So you don't even start detox.
Step 1 is just to get the downstream open up in this cell
working. So what does that?
So my 5 Rs is the road map. I used it to teach doctors as a
road map of how you fix the cell and how you start to detox the
cell and it very quickly. Our number one is remove the
source like meaning if you have silver filling stained mercury,
let's let's get there. If you're living in a multi
home, let's deal with that. If you have a cavitation
infection and John, let's deal with that.
You get it. OK, so different sources.
We want to look at someone's life, remove them.
OK, does it makes sense? Our number 2 is regenerate the
cell membrane. So again, this membrane on this
apple, that's our cell for this talk.
I'm molesting your bowl of apples here.
I will eat this after. But you know, this membrane is
where your hormone receptors are.
The membrane determines what comes in the cell and what's
able to come out the membrane. I do classes on just the cell
membrane. I call it lipid therapy.
How we fix the cell membrane and diet plays a role here.
I've developed a lot of products here.
What you avoid seed oils that people are hearing about, right?
The the damaging effects of seed oils, the reason they're so
dangerous. Omega 6 is so important in the
cell membrane that rancid bad Omega 6 is goes right in and it
incorporates into this membrane and it's there not for days, not
for months. Now newer studies showing up to
two years half life of these things in the cell.
Your cell men membranes from oxidated.
Oxidated rancid fat. So it affects the function.
So now you have toxins driving inflammation, blocking your
hormone receptors, but now you have these bad fats too.
I mean, American, we don't have a chance.
I mean, think about it, you know, no wonder you go to Italy
in these. But you don't see fat people
like why they eat 20% more carbs than we do.
It's like, well, less inflammation.
The reason you can't use fat as energy has less to do with your
diet than people might think. It's like it has a lot to do
with how inflamed your cells are.
So we look at just those two things and we really have to
clean those up. But the membrane, there's a
saying, I didn't come up with it, but life and death begins on
the membrane, your cellular out, your hormone health, how your
brain works right here. You know again when this is
inflamed, diet doesn't work. That's what everything attaches
to. Absolutely.
Your diet, diet change seems like it doesn't work for you.
You don't have energy, you still don't lose weight.
You know, it's all these things happen because the membrane
determines your health. That's it.
Our number 3 is restoring the cell energy.
If you don't restore the energy and the ability of mitochondria
to make energy, then you won't up regulate all of these detox
pathways. So then the cell's ability to
get rid of toxins decreases and toxins build up, inflammation
gets even more and R4 is reducing cellular inflammation.
I teach a lot of strategies around that, but you have to
diminish that inflammation and then R5 is reestablishing
methylation. I've already pointed out
methylation is how we protect our genes, how we turn genes on
and off. Methylation, when it drops,
glutathione drops the cell's ability to detox and drops.
If people watching this, the announcement of Tylenol causes
autism. I had to do a video on it.
I even did a little piece on my podcast about it because people,
a medical doctor friend of mine came to me and said Dan, what?
Like Tylenol causes autism? I said hold on.
It's part of the 'cause it doesn't cause autism, meaning
you can get autism without a mother taking Tylenol, although
it increases the risk. Why?
Because it affects certain detox pathways.
It affects methylation, which is part of detox directly.
It can inhibit receptors specifically, even in the brain
for folate, folate, folic acid is part of the methylation
process to be successful. So if you're inhibiting that,
now you're inhibiting methylation, especially in the
brain. So inflammation occurs in the
brain, which is where autism starts, and the gut.
So that blocking that folate receptor and also effects a
pathway called the P-450, which is a detox pathway.
Oh, and it also affects the liver.
So it shuts down detox pathway. So Trump tipped his hand in
that. Well, it's not just Tylenol.
People were wondering like, why was he talking about vaccines
when it was acetaminophen and Tylenol causes autism.
Well, because see the toxins in vaccines, when you take Tylenol,
it reduces the ability to get rid of these toxins and they
drive their neurotoxins, mercury, aluminum, and there's
others, right? And so that's why that he was
making recommendations about vaccines because he wanted to
say it's this combination, right?
It's not just one. So anyways, people didn't hear
that necessarily. But anyway, so those are my five
hours of how we start to get the cell working.
And then Step 2 is we use real chelators, OK, not like
cilantro, cruella and all these little things that people think
or that it doesn't work that way.
You have to use things that grab on and don't let go.
But we use them outside of the cell.
When we start moving these toxins out, these chelators grab
on and make sure it goes all the way out of the body.
But functional medicine but uses chelators incorrectly.
They don't use those in their half life, meaning they don't
keep the levels up in your blood long enough in between taking
them, so you get redistribution. Yeah, exactly.
An effective key later. So there's many like EDTA is an
effective key, later DMSADMPS there's other ones, now Dota,
there's a lot of different key layers.
But someone probably shouldn't just start taking those.
No way. No way.
Because again, they don't. People think you detox with
those. No, it's still about that cell.
Step one is fixing the cell. Step 2 is using killers just so
all killers do is move it out of the body.
They're water soluble anyway. They don't get into your brain
and fat tissue right there. There's we have to get the cells
doing that and then we push them into these catchers, Mets if you
will, and pulls it out of the body.
People forget about step one. It's the most important.
Your story is so encouraging. Thank you so much for just being
so open about your process. I know it's going to be very
encouraging for a lot of women that are tuning in.
Yeah, thank you for asking. I think it needs to be talked
about more. So as we're talking about
processing deep emotions and feeling deeply as something that
I know you are very passionate about is something that I love
so much. That also helps to process and
release emotion is facial massage and movement.
So I would love to hear from your perspective how this
supports skin health and that deeper Wellness and emotional
support. Yeah, it's just like we were
talking earlier. It was finally freedom to create
and curate a facial that I felt would give long lasting results.
And with facial massage, with any massage, but specifically
facial massage, it's a very intimate treatment.
You are, you carry so many emotions within the muscles of
your face. This is where we show expression
and we also hold a lot of emotions that we haven't
processed primarily in the jaw, the forehead, behind the eyes,
the neck, the shoulders. And it can become built up over
time and cause us to prematurely have frinkles.
And it really shapes our life experience, shapes the way we
age, the way wrinkle shows up on our skin.
Like I'm sure you've seen a beautiful older woman that has
wrinkles that just, you can tell like, oh wow.
Like she smiled a lot. You can see where her lines have
developed. And they can also have seen
someone that may have had very hard life.
And you can see like when they're not showing expression,
the way their skin has aged and the wrinkles have shown up is
kind of maybe downwards and they just feel like maybe they had a
lot of trauma or sadness. And so it's so fascinating when
you get into facial massage because it's just the ultimate
treatment at restoring not only emotions, but facial symmetry
and the energy release you experienced through that.
I haven't been able to experience that through any
other treatment. So you're getting into the
muscles of the face, you're releasing that emotion, and a
lot of people will feel it during the session.
They'll cry or express different emotions as you move through
different parts of the face. And after the treatment, they'll
leave feeling. I've had clients say they felt
like 10 years younger or lighter or energetically lighter, or
that they went somewhere and you're just creating the space
for their own healing, for them to heal themselves or to relax
and release. I think there's not a big enough
emphasis on what even just an hour of relaxation, deep
relaxation can do for the nervous system, the body, the
mind. And so getting to curate and
create that space for them to find that healing is so
rewarding and nourishing. So yeah, it's been so beautiful
to have this. I know for myself too, when I
experience it, I do. It's like, first of all, I felt
like, Oh my gosh, I just lost, lost like 5 lbs on my face I
didn't know I had. But that deeper emotional
experience truly is what led me to want to really dive into
facial massage unlike ever before.
And so could you chat with us a little bit more about specific
facial muscles that you focus on in facial massage and maybe the
underlying emotion that's correlated with that?
Yeah. And that's really where I found
the interest is to kind of map out what emotions are behind
what muscles. And throughout the facial
massage I give, it's often curated with meditation for me
as well. So I find myself when I would
get a treatment, my mind goes a million different places.
And so bringing back the client to their body, what they're
feeling is super helpful for them to stay in it.
And so in the jaw, there's emotions of control typically.
So when we feel like we are at a loss of control in our life,
we'll clench and grind our teeth, usually at night time,
but often like when we're driving or doing things where
we're not actively talking or doing other tasks.
And so it's a lot of times subconscious and we'll be
grinding or clenching. And that emotion is typically
control. So when I'm working in the jaw,
I'll just bring the client back to releasing the jaw, releasing
control. I'll have them like open up
their palms to surrender. Because often when you're in the
jaw, you're like, everything's punching.
You're like, and so you can go through that and just be relaxed
and relax your palms, have them face upwards.
It helps the process and they receive a better treatment.
So in the jaw control and So what you say with people who are
experiencing TMJ issues, that's something to look a little bit
deeper into. Definitely it's the emotions.
And I'll often ask them when it started and for them, they'll
date it to a point that was very stressful for them in their
life. And I know this is when it
happened or started. And emotions can be a big
driving factor and a lot of health, other issues like
parasites, different internal body can cause a lot of jaw
tension. So it's it's very rounded.
It's not usually one thing, but emotion is a big part of that.
And then the forehead is usually feels very heavy.
That's where we do all our thinking.
Yeah. So it's just, it's the epicenter
of the mind, our thoughts. And so when I'm in this area,
I'll have them clear their mind and release feelings of stress,
anxiety, fear, sadness, grief. And it helps to clear the mind
and therefore it relaxes the muscles.
And then our these lines can be a few different reasons,
smiling, of course, but also depending how deep they can be,
can be related to grief and trauma, sadness.
So the depressor muscles, depression depressor that we got
that term. So like I said, if you've seen
an older woman and her, you know, her mouth is shaped kind
of like an upside down frown. It's typically due to those
reoccurring thoughts you're thinking because each thought
creates a facial expression. Our skin tells such a story.
Story the lives that we've lived and the emotions that we felt.
Yeah. And I find with facial massage
too, once we start to implement it more consistently, I know I
have found that I've become more aware of my tendencies of
furrowing or clenching, and I've learned to relax on my own.
Yeah, which has been a beautiful ripple effect.
That's the greatest tool is to be able to relax on your own is
when I'm giving a facial or when you're giving a facial, the
client can relax. But if you can emanate that
throughout the day and you find yourself clenching, there's
certain tricks that you can do to release the jaw instantly.
And the more you do that, the more you'll build new muscle
memory. Yes, I love that.
Yeah. So one of your expertises and
what you are renowned for is the buckle and your oral sculpting
facial massage. And so excited to hear more of
that technique. So could you walk us through
what that technique entails and even more deeply, the connection
with the jaw, with the fascia and really the benefits and the
long term effects of this technique?
Yeah, it's so the buckle facial is where we put on gloves and we
go into the mouth. So oddly enough, it's when most
of my clients fall asleep, not what I would think, but I full
surrender. You could be like quite
resistant of like I'm going to feel like I'm at the dentist.
But and we do, we have a lot of trauma typically surrounding the
mouth with dentist or having facial injuries.
And so to get into the mouth is a next level of intimacy where
it's like full release, full surrender.
And when we go into the mouth, we're able to access the jaw
that we can't access externally. And so you're getting a release
that you wouldn't be able to get just externally.
You're getting into the deeper layers of the muscles and
through that you get a deeper release.
We want to experience the benefits of the sunlight and the
vitamin D, and then we can go in the shade when we need to cover
up. We can wear sunscreen when we're
out in the sun for long periods of time.
Yeah, but like you said, not a chemical based sunscreen,
something like zinc oxide that's going to create that physical
barrier. One more question.
Vitamin B17, it's not considered a vitamin in the US.
It's not allowed in the US. What can you tell us about B17?
Well, B17 years ago, there was a study done in Memorial Sloan
Kettering and showed how it worked.
And then of course they got rid of it.
And so it is actually a nutrient that is looked at in the testing
that I do to see if it's going to kill your circulating tumor
cells. So it's one agent that has the
possibility of killing circulating tumor cells.
And so, but there's many agents. So, you know, years ago there
was a Doctor Who had a clinic in Mexico still exists and he used
to be my former partner and they used B17 for everything and like
it worked, got rid of people's cancer.
But today we're living in an environment that.
You need more. You need many more bullets in
order for to kill cancer. That's very interesting though,
yeah. What about apricot?
Seeds, yeah, apricot seeds is B7.
It's where the B. 7 is form right?
Yes. Exactly.
Yeah, I just started taking those.
Yeah. So we use those apricot power in
our in our clinic. That's what we use is the seeds
to give to patients. What are some of the next level
things that you offer at your clinic for cancer patients?
So one of the things we do, so if a patient needs chemotherapy
and the only time that I recommend chemotherapy is that
people have tumor burden. So a little lump typically
doesn't need chemotherapy. Are there extenuating
circumstances? Yes.
You have to look at the pathology to see if a patient
warranted. They have special tests now
called Mammaprint and they tell you if you are, if chemotherapy
is going to help you. And so, but 70% of breast cancer
patients don't need chemotherapy.
But if it's already gone outside of the original location and
it's gone into your lymph glands or to your liver, your kidney or
your bones, we know we have to shrink the problem from here to
here. OK?
So we have to use something. Now, if patients don't want to
do chemotherapy, yes, there are other things they can do.
I, I don't, I always tell people I don't negotiate with cancer.
I want you to do everything. I will take care of the
downside. But right now we're 10 years
behind. Let's institute.
So in our clinic, we do something called fractionated
chemotherapy. So cancer cells have something
called insulin like growth factors.
So insulin is what responsible for sugar to the cell, right?
And so cancer cells have more than a normal cell.
So we prime the body by giving your body insulin so it turns on
the insulin. Like growth factors.
We bring your blood sugar to something called the therapeutic
moment, which is about 40, and then we give you the
chemotherapy so they're ready to eat it.
So the incidents like a Trojan horse to bring chemo to the
cancer cell, preserving the other cells.
And you have them fast prior. Fast the day before and the day
because they found at USC in a study that if people fasted,
their side effects were 50% less or more.
Is that just because of because autophagy is activated and your
body's more primed and it? Doesn't have to do exactly and
it doesn't have to do anything else.
Whereas if you're eating and everything, it's consumed with
taking care of what you're ingesting.
So if you're in fasting, your body's in a clean up state.
So we always have, whether you do conventional or you do
fractionated. I tell the patients to fast the
day before and the day out, and I've told patients to fast for
other reasons too. I'm curious, would you
recommend, I've heard, I think Doctor Thomas Seyfried, I'm not
sure if I'm saying that correct, but he recommends like a seven
day fast every year for everybody.
Is that like what are your thoughts on doing periodical
fast just to do some cleanup? I think it's really good.
I think people, I always ask patients, have you ever fasted?
Yes, no. What can you do?
What do you think you can do? Some people say one day, some
people say 30 days. The longest I've ever had a
patient do is 30 days. Wow, that's a long time.
I don't really advocate that, but I've, I've partnered with
the patient with what they think they can do and what they want
to do. And I have seen it do incredible
things. But like for example, the
patient wants to lose weight. I'll say I want you to fast two
days a week. And if I can't get somebody C
reactive protein down and getting their triglycerides
down, I will tell them, look, I have seen this change, and I've
also seen that help people lose weight because, you know, I
would say a large percent of the population is trying to lose
weight. Yeah.
So we got to look for all the tools to help them lose weight.
And I think a lot of people would think that, oh, not eating
two days a week sounds extreme, but really when you understand
how the body works and that the body, you know, you can, you can
burn your own fuel when you're not consuming food, it's really
not that extreme at all. And I'm a fan of fasting.
That's why I'm curious about this personally because I just
think it's it's so fascinating and amazing how the body can do
so much when you just give it a break from digesting foods.
And I've experienced profound benefits from periodical fast in
my life too. Right.
Well, there's a great documentary called the Science
of Fasting. If anyone has any questions,
concerns and wants to see the science, it's fabulous.
So now the other things that we do, we recommend hyperbaric
oxygen and or ozone. So we do ozone intravenously and
because cancer, we know under Warburg got a Nobel Prize that
cancer is a anaerobic, sugary, acidic environment.
And so I got to change all of that.
So it thrives in lack of oxygen, high sugar, acidity, acidity.
Right, so, so we so we give them things to alkalinize their body.
We use them a special powder of sodium, potassium bicarb.
Then we do. Which is is that baking soda?
It's like. Baking soda.
So I I started out with baking soda and I tried it myself and I
was like, oh, I don't know if anybody could do this every day
because it just doesn't taste good.
So I found a product that is magnesium sodium bicarb and it
tastes so much better. And then of course I have them
do either detox baths with clay and Epsom salts and baking soda
or infrared sauna depending on what they have.
So. What's the ratio?
Of so, I usually do a cup of two cups of Epsom salts, a cup of
baking soda, and 1/4 cup of clay.
Yes, so it feels amazing. I noticed that when I do the the
detox bath I sweat like almost as much as I do with a sauna.
It's really powerful. Yeah.
And your skin is skin, believe it or not, is a purification or
Yeah, OK. And then ozone is very, very
synergistic with chemotherapy. So.
But ozone, like I do a blood test called Phi, which stands
for hot phosphohexoisomerase, it's an indicator of anaerobic
metabolism. So I know that if patients
numbers are really high, I need to give IV ozone or I use
something called EBU. EBU is where we hook you up to
machine and it's a closed unit and we put your blood through a
filter and then we ozonate it. So, and it goes back in, goes
back terrified. Exactly.
So that's another thing that we do.
We do PMF on everybody, every, every person that has a human
magnetic field. And so because of all these
factors that are draining or everything's a lack of energy
and voltage, right? So PMF is pulse to
electromagnetic field. So all of them either lay on it
their whole body and or the body part.
OK. And then I use light therapy.
So I use light. It's called photobiomodulation.
So light is light. All of your cells have light.
They have a photonic light, believe it or not.
And so we intravenously will give you a substance like say
curcumin, which is like turmeric.
And then we use the lights, all the different lights, 5
different lights to activate the curcumin to work in your body.
All right, you can use it as a stand alone to help because it's
it works on many different levels to add energy to the body
antimicrobial and it's incredible.
OK now you can also do it topically like I use it
topically for skin cancers. So instead of making a scar I
you will do it topically by applying the substance to
activate the pathological tissue and then it's laser on top and
then it just fries it and it goes off by itself do.
You ever use ozonated olive oil for some campfire?
We we, I use that for many different things.
Yeah. And phenomenal healer for Scars.
I think that's another thing that everyone should have at
home is an ozone generator. Yes, a lot of.
They're not that expensive. Right, yeah, they're not that
expensive, right. That's one, that's the, that's
the self-care, you know, kit that would be helpful for people
to have. So we checked the voltage of
every single person. So we, the bulges I talked about
earlier, I say this is a big deal because it's like energy.
You have to have energy for every cell to work.
So we know that you're not making good energy because you
have cancer, right? So you can heal if you don't
have energy. So if you were to have surgery
tomorrow, you're going to need energy of your cells to heal
from that surgery. So we check the voltage of every
one of our patients and then we charge them.
We have something called the biocharger, and then you sit in
front of and receive frequencies, and then we have
something called the biomodulator.
So we'll charge the patients once or twice a day and then
sometimes when they go go home, we give them essential oils to
continue it unless they want to do the biomodulator themselves.