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Welcome to Grounded Wellness. 
I'm your host Bethany McDaniel, 

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founder of Primarily Pure, mom 
of Three, and biohacking 

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enthusiast. 
We created this podcast to bring

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you practical advice to live a 
more vibrant and intentional 

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life rooted in long lasting 
health. 

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We record right here on our 
regenerative farm, grounded with

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our feet in the soil, exploring 
bold truths, overlooked wisdom 

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and holistic tools that support 
true well-being. 

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These conversations will 
challenge everything you know 

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about health and Wellness. 
Today on Grounded Wellness, I am

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joined by my brother-in-law, 
Farmer Rock. 

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He's the founder of Primal 
Pastures, a data four, and a 

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practicing physician's 
assistant. 

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What started out with just fifty
backyard chickens has grown into

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a full-fledged regenerative 
farm, raising the cleanest meat 

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in America. 
This conversation will expose 

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the corrupt, misleading world of
meat labels as well as the half 

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truths and straight up lies that
the meat industry doesn't want 

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you to question. 
Free range, organic, hormone 

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free. 
These labels are designed to 

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sell, not to protect your 
health. 

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Rob is pulling back the curtain 
and giving you the knowledge to 

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shop smarter and eat cleaner. 
If you've ever felt confused at 

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the meat counter, this episode 
is for you. 

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Let's dig in. 
Rob, welcome to Grounded 

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Wellness. 
We're here at your farm. 

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Actually, you own this place. 
Primal Pier has a small plot of 

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land here, but this is the 
Primal Pastures farm. 

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And I'm so excited for this 
conversation. 

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We have so many fun, juicy 
topics to cover. 

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But first, I think our audience 
would love hearing a bit about 

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the Primal Pastures back story 
from your perspective. 

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Yeah, well, thanks for having 
me. 

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Super honored to be here. 
Primal, Primal pastures started 

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It was 2012. 
We were sitting around the table

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at my parents house Easter 
dinner and we are all kind of 

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talking. 
It was your husband, my brother,

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my dad, my brother Alana. 
And we're sitting around 

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basically talking about our 
different health journeys, 

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complaining about all the 
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And I thought we kind of came to
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instead of paying all this extra
money for these labels in the 

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market and all these chickens 
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for, well, we kind of came to a 
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It was my understanding that we 
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chickens. 
So I left that conversation, 

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went into the other room, did 
what anybody does. 

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I went on Google and said, where
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And I ordered 50 baby chicks to 
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So I went back out like 30 
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I said, all right, guys, I got 
the chickens. 

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They're coming in two weeks. 
And they were all just 

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dumbfounded. 
They were like, what? 

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We've never even raised an 
animal before, Like how are we 

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going to raise 50 chicks? 
And I was like, well, we got two

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weeks to figure it out. 
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about farming at that time. 
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purpose behind it was we knew we
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and raising the chickens was 
essentially the solution we came

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up with. 
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of put something together. 
We did what anybody at the time 

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would have done. 
We went on Google, we went on 

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YouTube, we watched videos, we 
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backyard farming, tried to piece
together what we could, and in 

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that two weeks we were able to 
build a brooder to raise the 

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chicks in. 
I had no idea but chicks get 

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delivered by USPS so. 
I remember that. 

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That was so shocking to me, too.
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had to go there and pick up the 
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It was so weird, like walking 
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grabbing like, a huge box of 
baby chicks, just chirping. 

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Yeah. 
You'll never get better service 

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at the post office than when 
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You get a front of the line 
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They cannot wait to get rid of 
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But yeah, 50 baby chicks showed 
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We had built a brooder in the 
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a tub with infrared lights to 
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first two to three weeks. 
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he's always been into 
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He's been researching it for 
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And so he was kind of the 
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lot of where we gathered our 
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But with his knowledge, we built
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And then Joel Salatin played a 
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And he's what I consider the 
grandfather of pasture raised 

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poultry. 
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2 feet tall by 10 feet by 12 
feet with no floor on the bottom

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and just chicken wire on the 
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chickens protected and the 
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And we said, all right, this is 
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We're going to put 50 chickens 
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We're going to feed them a soy 
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going to move them to fresh 
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And that was the foundation of 
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And we did that. 
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the time, he was in his master's
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And so he's always looking to 
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And he's like, well, let's just 
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Facebook and see if anybody's 
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And within two weeks, we had a 
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these birds. 
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them, processed them, and never 
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And Paul had already sold all 
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So I remember vividly the the 
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had no money at all. 
We are completely bootstrapping 

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all this. 
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processing equipment, we bought 
an old washing machine and 

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converted it to a chicken 
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So we, we, we took it, cut the 
top off of it, got the rubber 

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fingers, kind of put it in, had 
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And then for our scalder, 
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chickens in in hot water to 
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After they've been. 
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had we we cut a water heater in 
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heater. 
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Beverly hillbillies out there 
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I remember my brother-in-law 
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camera on how to kill a chicken.
And so we're watching this video

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and my first experience 
processing was led through a 

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YouTube video and we went 
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all of them didn't even get a 
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One of the first batch had no 
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we had a ton of people asking 
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So then we said, all right, well
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let's raise 200 and then 400. 
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all right, we might be on to 
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Eventually we started adding 
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pork, Turkey, but essentially 
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this tiny 1800 square foot 
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Nine of us were living in it and
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of grass in the backyard is what
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Yeah, it's wild to think back 
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I mean, I remember those days so
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People always ask like, well, 
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farming background? 
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And it's so crazy to think how 
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together from like Tom, my 
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knowledge and YouTube and then 
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willing to chip in and help with
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I mean, we literally had our 
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and everyone had a different 
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line. 
I mean, whoever like grows up 

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thinking that they'll do that 
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I don't know. 
It was wasn't fun, but I'm also 

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grateful for that experience. 
Like, being able to take a 

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chicken from like a live bird to
eating it that night for dinner 

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is an experience that I'm 
forever grateful to have a part 

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in. 
And Primal pastors even used to 

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offer that for the community, 
like chicken processing 

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workshops. 
I mean, we're so disconnected 

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from where our food comes from 
in today's day and age, but that

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was such a cool thing that you 
guys did to give people that 

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experience. 
It, it really is just an awesome

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experience. 
And we, we had people from all 

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over the spectrum come out to 
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You would have big game hunters,
people who have taken down elk, 

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moose before come out and say, 
Hey, I just want to learn how to

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break down a smaller bird to we 
would even have vegans to come 

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out and they're like, I really 
want to eat meat, but I, I don't

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feel like I can do it unless I'm
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And it would be an emotional 
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And it is anytime you take a 
life to sustain a life, it's an 

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emotional experience, But it, it
was really cool to see somebody 

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be able to come out and 
acknowledge that and, and take 

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those steps. 
But it's honestly something that

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your grandparents, my 
grandparents did as kids in the 

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backyard. 
They would have their, their 

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laying hands. 
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became stealing hens, they would
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neck, they would process. 
Everybody just knew how to 

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process chickens over 100 years 
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And, and with the industrial 
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agriculture evolution, all of 
these things, we essentially 

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lost track of that. 
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This was just a skill everybody 
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thousands of years. 
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So this was about 12 years ago 
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getting going. 
We were all living in this 

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house. 
I was starting to experiment 

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with skin care products at the 
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I was using the kitchen a lot of
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body butters. 
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farm to put into the products. 
Like doing all these things that

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I never in a million years would
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And at one point we also got a 
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had quite the experience on our 
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Mabel, do you want to talk about
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Yeah, this is this is one of my 
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So we finally got Mabel and you 
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for a long time, which was part 
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cow. 
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This was essentially how a lot 
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We'd call it fail for fail, 
failing forward because we would

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do things and just learn from 
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And so I know we just said, Hey,
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Let's just go. 
She had just had her baby Fred. 

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We had weaned him. 
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well, let's just continue to 
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Had no background at all and, 
and dairy at all. 

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So I think we went out there 
with a rope and a stool and a 

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bucket right just into the 
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And I was like, all right, well,
how hard can it be? 

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I thought we could do it. 
And I think we were out there 

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for, I don't know what, like 3 
minutes and I maybe got maybe 

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2-3 ounces of milk from her. 
She turns and gores me with her 

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horn and so in the rib cage. 
So I'm like on the ground, just 

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in excruciating pain. 
And maybe 10 seconds later, you 

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get stung by a bee and you're 
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And so I'm rolling on the 
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Your face is swelling up. 
But we didn't realize that it 

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had stung me. 
I just so I knew there was a bee

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that was kind of like messing 
with me. 

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I was kind of flailing around 
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And then I felt like what I 
thought might have been a sting,

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but then I wasn't sure because 
you said there was no Stinger in

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there and I trusted you. 
But I thought maybe I hit myself

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in the eye with my wedding ring 
because I was. 

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Like. 
Fully like flailing trying to 

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get away from this bee and so so
yeah we didn't get much milk but

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the bee sting ended up being 
terrible. 

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Yeah. 
Because didn't know there was a 

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still a Stinger on my eyelid 
Went got a massage with your 

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sister. 
My sister-in-law Jamie after the

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I got out of the massage and the
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you need to go to the hospital. 
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whole face is just completely 
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Swollen. 
Yeah, and I looked closer. 

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I couldn't really see it myself.
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like, there's still a Stinger in
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So the Stinger was still in 
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because it was so it was so bad,
so bad. 

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And my, my whole right eye was 
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It was a disaster. 
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all the time of when are you 
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the farm? 
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people that it's probably not 
anytime soon. 

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It's not as easy as it looks. 
It's not nothing a. 

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Cow. 
But yeah, we have a lot of these

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stories and fun times. 
Glad they're in the past, but we

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have a lot of cool memories from
those early days for sure. 

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Yeah. 
And you're a PA, so can you 

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explain what a PA is? 
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worlds in which you live, 
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like you're a full time PA and 
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CEO of Primal Pastures. 
Correct. 

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Yeah. 
So I've been a physician 

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assistant now for over 10 years.
I work mostly in the hospital 

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setting. 
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situation. 
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the hospital, whether it be 
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chronic symptoms is mostly what 
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That spars quite a bit with what
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The the mindset behind both of 
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help people. 
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grassroots of it and that's what
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provide the cleanest meat in 
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We try to produce the healthiest
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lifestyle that prevents you from
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I would see you on the other 
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apai get patients that maybe 
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All right, the standard American
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is what's putting you in this 
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And so I get to have those 
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hospital where I can explain 
things to him. 

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I can show him things, OK, your 
heart failure is directly 

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correlated to what you're 
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And to you and me, that makes 
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You know, obviously what we eat 
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and how we perform. 
A majority of America doesn't 

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understand that, especially the 
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So I may share something like, 
you know, eating a microwave 

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dinner every night isn't great 
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And they're like, oh, but it was
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microwave dinner. 
I thought that was healthy. 

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And so there's there's a ton of 
conversations there that really 

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do kind of tie back into what 
I'm doing at Primal and are very

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beneficial. 
But but overall, yes to 

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contrasting professions. 
Are patients receptive to that 

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when you have those 
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No, I've had, I've had some 
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lives radically changed by 
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I would say less than 1%, 
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It's, it's very hard to break 
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to plant a seed that will 
eventually grow. 

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Somebody else can water it, but 
at least give them the knowledge

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that, hey there, there's other 
alternatives out there. 

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But one of the most discouraging
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started in the PA profession is 
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office and I'd spend time with 
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I would just be like, all right,
you're on four or five 

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medications. 
I would always explain our goal 

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is to get you off of these. 
Like you shouldn't have to be on

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medications. 
These aren't solving the core 

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issue. 
Let's find the core issue. 

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Let's get you off these 
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And a majority of the a vast 
majority of the time, they would

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be like, OK, can you just refill
my prescription? 

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Like even when you broke it down
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this medication you're taking is
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It's covering it up. 
It's taking care of the symptoms

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and you could explain that and 
they're like, OK, but can I just

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keep taking the medication? 
But but it, it is rewarding 

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because you know, you do get 
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they're like, oh, OK, I didn't 
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I mean, I remember one patient 
I'll always remember is a 30 

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year old dude had Crohn's 
disease forever his whole life, 

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but he was like 3040 lbs 
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I was like, you know, have you 
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eating is affecting your gut 
health? 

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And I was like, absolutely. 
And so he ended up doing the 

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carnivore diet for like 6 months
and he's never had a flare up 

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since and just completely got 
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encourages you and, and kind of 
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But for the most part, the whole
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what's the easy fix? 
What's the next fix? 

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And, and so we see that in the 
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that's one thing America does 
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or like acute care. 
And so these people come in and 

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they're super sick and we can 
give them medications and, and 

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get them feeling a whole lot 
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And they just think that's part 
of the cycle instead of breaking

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the cycle, finding out what is 
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We do give them medications and 
take care of it in the acute 

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care setting. 
But in terms once they leave the

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hospital, all those chronic 
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them. 
There's not a lot that we can do

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with it. 
Yeah, I'm sure that's 

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frustrating, but worth it, even 
if just a few people end. 

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Yeah. 
Absolutely. 

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And it, and I mean, there's been
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since I would say right around 
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there's been a lot more people 
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what their health. 
I think the fear of COVID itself

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made people pay a lot more 
attention to what's going on in 

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the healthcare industry and what
what they're doing to their 

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body. 
And so I have seen a big shift 

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even in like doctors that I work
with that have been in the 

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industry for 30-40 years. 
Some of them are going like, oh,

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you know, maybe eating well and 
exercise. 

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That's always how you start 
everything. 

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So when I'm in PA school, every 
treatment was diet and exercise.

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And then if those things don't 
work, give them this medication.

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And so everything teaches you 
that diet and exercise, weight 

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loss, all these things can be 
treated, but it's a blurb like 

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that long. 
And then it's, these are the 

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medications you can prescribe. 
And so it's, it's frustrating, 

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but they do acknowledge that 
obviously most of these chronic 

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conditions can be taken care of 
just by changing your lifestyle 

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habits. 
What are some of the most 

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misleading meat labels out there
in your opinion? 

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Yeah. 
So this is honestly, this is 

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what started the whole primal 
pastures movement is we looked 

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into what the labels were and 
realized that they were all 

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lies. 
And, and the, the one that is 

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really frustrating and I think 
it kind of starts all of the, 

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the misleading labels is the 
free range label. 

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People are becoming more aware 
of this, but 1012 years ago when

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you saw free range, you picture 
this, you picture wild pastures,

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you picture chickens outside on 
grass. 

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A free range chicken to me is a 
chicken that's. 

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Outside that's that's what that 
sounds like. 

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I believe that's what they're 
intending you to think. 

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All free range means is. 
Let's start with this. 99.9% of 

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chickens in the US are raised in
grow houses. 

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So that's a 60 foot wide 
building that goes about 100 to 

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200 feet, sometimes 600 feet 
long. 

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And there's anywhere from 5 to 
30,000 chickens in that grow 

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house. 
So that is your conventional 

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chicken. 
You go to Costco, you get your 

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rotisserie chicken, your 6 LB 
rotisserie chicken, it's raised 

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in a grow house. 
That's your standard 

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conventional chicken, which is 
fine, call it what it is. 

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But if you take that same grow 
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of it, 10 foot door and have 
access to a concrete pad on the 

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outside, you've given those 
chickens access to the outdoor 

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and now that's a free range 
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Regardless of whether or not 
they ever use. 

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Those chickens will probably 
never go outside because most of

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these grow houses it's 120° 
outside. 

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They can either stay inside an 
air conditioned barn where they 

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can go out onto a concrete pad. 
As long as they have outdoor 

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access. 
It's considered a free range 

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chicken. 
And their food and water source 

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is also inside. 
So really they have no like 

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biological desire to be outside.
Exactly. 

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So if I mean if you're a 
chicken, it's air conditioned 

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inside your food and water is 
inside, why would you even 

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consider going outside? 
It's it's designed that way. 

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And free range, cage free? 
Are those kind of synonymous? 

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Yeah, so cage free in the last 
5-10 years has kind of gone out 

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the window. 
California passed a law 

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basically banning cages and 
cage. 

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Cage free mostly applies to 
eggs. 

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Broilers were never really 
raised in cages, but they would 

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put about 3 or 4 hens in a cage,
like 1 foot by 1 foot by 1 foot,

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and they would just spend their 
whole life in there. 

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They'd be able to stick their 
head out to get food and water, 

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and when they lay their eggs, it
would drop down. 

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And it was atrocious conditions.
And so basically lately that 

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movement's been banned. 
They still put cage free on a 

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lot of the labels just as a 
selling point, but a majority of

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chickens now are not raised in 
cages. 

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But that's what cage free means.
What about hormone free? 

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Antibiotic free? 
Are those legitimate? 

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Yeah. 
So let's talk about hormone free

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first. 
For decades now, hormones have 

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been banned from chickens. 
You have not been able to to 

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give chickens hormones. 
So if you see that, that's just 

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somebody it it. 
It would be the equivalent of me

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saying. 
This is a water bottle and then 

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on this water it's also water, 
but I say arsenic free water. 

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Arsenic's banned from water, but
I just put it on there. 

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It's obvious. 
That's the same thing as 

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hormones. 
You you can't feed hormones to 

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chickens anymore. 
Antibiotics are different 

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though. 
Antibiotic free, you would 

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think, means the chicken won its
entire life without antibiotics.

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That's not true. 
You can give a chicken 

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antibiotics, but as long as you 
stop the antibiotics close 

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enough to a time that's 
processed for it to not be in 

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the system, then you can label 
that chicken as antibiotic free.

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Whoa, I didn't know that. 
And, and so if you go to the 

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store and you're looking at an 
antibiotic free label, they, 

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there's a good chance that they 
had antibiotics and. 

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They're like, and the whole 
reason they even need the 

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antibiotics in the growth house 
setting is because of their 

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living conditions. 
Like the chickens raised out 

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here don't even need that 
because they're not exposed to 

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the same infections and crowding
and all those things that can 

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cause infections. 
Right, exactly. 

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And so if if you've ever seen a 
picture of a grow house, it's 

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basically a layer of chickens. 
You can't even see the floor 

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under them is typically another 
layer of chickens that they're 

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sitting on and then wood chips. 
And so they're just sitting. 

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And that's where they eat, they 
drink, they poop, they sleep. 

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And so they're sitting in their 
feces for four or five weeks at 

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a time. 
And that's the perfect breeding 

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ground for infection. 
So viruses, bacteria, and so the

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the way the system's been 
designed is these animals 

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literally need antibiotics and 
vaccines to survive because of 

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how atrocious the living 
conditions they're in. 

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What about organic chicken? 
So organic does a little bit 

453
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,160
better job. 
If you're organic, you can't 

454
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,080
have any antibiotics at all. 
So organic does actually mean no

455
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,520
antibiotics were ever given. 
But you take that same grow 

456
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,880
house we talked about earlier 
and all you have to do is switch

457
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,200
out the feed. 
So you put organic feed in 

458
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,480
there. 
Now you have an organic free 

459
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,680
range chicken. 
It will never go outside. 

460
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,600
It's still living in its own 
filth. 

461
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,560
It's still piled on top of other
chickens. 

462
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,240
I haven't even talked about the 
fact that in the grow houses 

463
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,840
they have to sear the beaks off 
these chickens because their 

464
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,040
natural instinct is to pick and 
scratch and Peck and they'll 

465
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,800
pick and scratch each other 
because they have no grasses, 

466
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,480
they have no bugs and worms to 
eat, and so they have to sear 

467
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:24,880
off their beaks. 
They do that. 

468
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,880
That's still an organic chicken,
never goes outside. 

469
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,520
Once you're paying an extra 2 to
$3.00 a pound for an organic 

470
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,000
free range chicken, that's never
left to grow house. 

471
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,920
Not to mention organic doesn't 
eliminate corn and soy. 

472
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:45,520
Now, corn and soy are about 99% 
of what's fed to chickens in 

473
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,480
conventionally raised because 
they're cheap sources of grains.

474
00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:55,920
Soy is a great source of 
protein, but because of how much

475
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,400
soy they're getting, it actually
once it gets into the meat and 

476
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,840
into the fat, it works as a 
hormone disruptor. 

477
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,120
So that was one of the main 
reasons we've never had soy or 

478
00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:09,080
will never have soy in any of 
our supplemental chicken feeds 

479
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,440
is because of what soy does to 
the body. 

480
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,480
And these guys, these chickens 
are eating massive amounts of 

481
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,680
soy. 
And so if you are what you eat 

482
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,840
eats and you're putting a ton of
soy into these chickens and then

483
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,040
you're consuming them, you're 
going to see a a lot of 

484
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:26,640
correlations to basically 
endocrine disruptor. 

485
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,400
So there's correlations with 
breast cancer in women, thyroid 

486
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,800
issues. 
And so we definitely make a 

487
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,440
point to not include soy in 
anything we do. 

488
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,960
What about grass fed when it 
comes to beef? 

489
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,400
Yes. 
So grass fed is another great 

490
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,560
misleading label. 
So every cow ever is going to be

491
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,040
grass fed at some point in its 
life. 

492
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,760
And So what do I mean by that? 
So essentially when a cow's 

493
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:58,960
born, they'll be with the mom 
cow calf combo and they'll feed 

494
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,680
off their mom for the first 
several months of their life. 

495
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,400
Once they get weaned, a lot of 
times they're still on pasture, 

496
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,960
they're out grazing, eating 
grass. 

497
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:11,440
But from 6 to 9 months on, 
they'll take them to a feed lot,

498
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,920
maybe a year and then spend the 
next three to five months 

499
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,480
fattening them up on corn and 
soy in a feed lot. 

500
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:21,920
But when you sell that cow, 
because it did eat grass, you 

501
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,080
can label it grass fed. 
So it may spend the last four to

502
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,920
six months of its life eating 
nothing but corn and soy in a 

503
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,000
feed lot that is a grass fed 
cow. 

504
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:35,800
So now people are changing it to
grass fed, grass finished 

505
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,920
because that kind of indicates, 
OK, in my head, they're 

506
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,800
finishing them on grass as well.
But that's misleading as well 

507
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,480
too, because in these feedlots, 
they're still getting corn, 

508
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,080
they're still getting soy, but 
then they drop in some grasses 

509
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,360
too. 
And so it's still a confined 

510
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:53,960
animal eating corn and soy. 
But that is a grass fed grass 

511
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,240
finished cow. 
So can you really trust that 

512
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:56,920
label? 
No. 

513
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:03,000
Is there? 
Is there a sure tail way to to 

514
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,440
know how your animals raised? 
Not without really knowing your 

515
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,360
farmer and where your beef comes
from. 

516
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,280
Yeah, and similar with 100% 
grass fed then I'm assuming? 

517
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,240
So 100% grass fed will at least 
mean they didn't get corn and 

518
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,320
soy right, but that doesn't mean
that they weren't in a feed lot 

519
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,720
for the last six months just 
getting grass pellets. 

520
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,160
So basically what you're saying 
is it is extremely difficult, if

521
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:30,520
not impossible to find really 
clean quality, well raised meat 

522
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,160
in the grocery store. 
What would you say is like the 

523
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,000
worst out of all of the factory 
farmed meats or even some that 

524
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,640
maybe maybe they have some of 
these labels that mean like a 

525
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,600
little bit like organic? 
Like what would you say people 

526
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,640
should just avoid across the 
board when it comes to meat 

527
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,040
shopping in the grocery store? 
Probably the three that I would 

528
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,800
say absolutely avoid are farmed 
fish, pork, and chicken in the 

529
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,640
grocery store. 
Farmed fish. 

530
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,400
What are the issues there? 
So I'm not sure if you're 

531
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,880
familiar with the way fish are 
farmed in the ocean. 

532
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,240
They basically have these giant,
I mean, they call them farms, 

533
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,560
but it's these giant Nets in the
ocean where they have 10s of 

534
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,360
thousands of fish. 
It's like a grow house, but in 

535
00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:18,520
the ocean. 
And these fish are just swimming

536
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:23,360
around in this confined area, 
getting fed absolute trash 

537
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:25,360
that's just dumped in from the 
top and they're pooping on each 

538
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:29,320
other. 
The amount of parasites in the 

539
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,080
fish. 
This is all store bought fish 

540
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,400
that you're going to. 
And so farmed fish is absolutely

541
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,120
terrible. 
And they're also fed corn and 

542
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:38,000
soy, right? 
Which is such an unnatural feed 

543
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,160
for something that lives in the 
ocean. 

544
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,200
Exactly. 
And then I've also heard that 

545
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,600
they can be fed food dyes that 
there can be food dyes in their 

546
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,880
feed so that they have like 
salmon, for example, might like 

547
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,800
they, they might be able to 
replicate that orange color that

548
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,480
they get in nature from eating 
the algaes and such with food 

549
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,440
dye in the feed. 
Have you seen a salmon or a tuna

550
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:04,080
without the artificial dyes? 
So salmon is like white? 

551
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,000
Yeah, it's super awful, Yeah. 
And so tuna the same way. 

552
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,320
Now what they do with tuna and 
we, we've we've done a real with

553
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,600
this before, is they use carbon 
monoxide to turn it that dark 

554
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,920
red color that tuna should have.
And so you could take like a 

555
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,560
store bought tuna and it starts 
to get like pale and stuff and 

556
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,280
put carbon monoxide on it and it
gives it more red. 

557
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,840
And so that's actually a thing 
they're doing before they sell 

558
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,320
it is they basically gas it to 
have this color and then they 

559
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,080
sell it as TuneIn, a grocery 
store it's. 

560
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:34,640
Awful. 
Wow. 

561
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,560
And they do the same thing with 
eggs, right? 

562
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,040
Cuz I think by now people know 
that naturally an egg yolk, it 

563
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,040
should be orange, it should have
this rich color. 

564
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,600
And people are replicating that 
in unnatural ways, Yeah. 

565
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,960
And so that was one thing. 10 
years ago when we started, you 

566
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,680
could tell a, a, a good pasture 
raised egg because of the color 

567
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,800
of the yolk and, and the yolks 
were never like symmetrical. 

568
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,080
And so you would have based on 
what plants they're eating 

569
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,920
around in the pasture, you would
have some that were real dark 

570
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,000
orange, some you would have a 
variation. 

571
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,960
And, and so one thing they 
figured out is they could feed 

572
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,640
like marigolds to conventional 
egg layers. 

573
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,280
So in the girl house, they would
put marigolds and a couple other

574
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,480
things in their feed and it 
would give them that darker 

575
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,760
orange. 
And so if you're selling a free 

576
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,920
range chicken and they got a 
darker orange yolk, customers 

577
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,840
feel good about it because 
that's what they had been 

578
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:32,080
trained. 
But now Fast forward 10 years 

579
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,440
later, people are starting to 
catch on. 

580
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,920
All right, They've they've 
figured out ways to manipulate 

581
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,840
the way an egg looks. 
But if you've if you've cracked 

582
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,680
open like a pasture raised egg, 
it looks like a proud egg. 

583
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,400
It's got the yolk that sits up 
off the egg, whereas like a 

584
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:50,040
store bought egg, if you get a 
conventional factory raised egg,

585
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,320
it's kind of the yolk just kind 
of sits flat. 

586
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,680
I almost think of like an Egg 
Mcmuffin where it's just 

587
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,800
smashed. 
But when it has the right 

588
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,120
protein content, the right amino
acids, you're going to see that 

589
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:06,480
yolk sit up on top of it. 
And Big AG is always going to 

590
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,680
find a way to mimic what nature 
does really well, and they're 

591
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,640
going to try and replicate that 
the cheapest, easiest way 

592
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,720
possible. 
So the best thing people can 

593
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,680
really do is to know their 
farmer personally, to visit the 

594
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,160
farm, to know the practices. 
If if you go to the grocery 

595
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:27,080
store and you see a brand and 
they don't have a website with 

596
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,560
live footage of their farm or 
pictures of their animals, stay 

597
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:32,400
away from it. 
Yeah. 

598
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,800
And I try not to eat like any 
conventionally raised meat. 

599
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,160
But if I have to, if I'm at a 
restaurant, they don't have 

600
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,360
great options or at the grocery 
store, if I'm in another city or

601
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,400
whatever, I feel like beef is 
going to be better. 

602
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,400
Like conventionally raised beef 
is going to be better than like 

603
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,160
conventional chicken or, you 
know, pork or fish. 

604
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,640
Like you just. 
Yeah, and, and and for a couple 

605
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,760
of reasons. 
Cattle are bigger animals. 

606
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,120
It takes longer to grow out. 
So they do have to do a better 

607
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,120
job with, I mean, confined beef 
lots confined feeding 

608
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,080
operations. 
They're still sitting in their 

609
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,280
feces. 
They're still not great, but 

610
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:12,120
beef overall is is a better 
option at the store than a 

611
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,960
factory form chicken or pork or 
fish. 

612
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,960
Yeah, so at least they were 
outside, right for a portion of 

613
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:17,840
their life. 
Exactly. 

614
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,720
I mean probably all of their 
life, but in a feed lot for the 

615
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,640
last part if not all of it. 
Right, if you had to choose I 

616
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,560
would definitely say beef over 
the other 3. 

617
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,240
At a high level, what 
differentiates the way you do 

618
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,160
things here at Primal Pastures 
compared to other farms? 

619
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,400
Really, our whole goal is to 
mimic the way nature intended 

620
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,000
the animal to be raised. 
We want our chickens, our pigs, 

621
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,360
our turkeys, our beef outside on
pasture. 

622
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,200
We want them eating a natural 
basically what they would eat in

623
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,840
nature to the best we can. 
So for ruminants, they're 

624
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,360
supposed to eat grasses. 
Our our lamb, our beef. 

625
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:54,840
That's all they eat. 
They eat grasses. 

626
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,800
They're outside from the time 
they're born till the time we're

627
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,880
processing them. 
They're outside foraging our 

628
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,480
pigs and our chicken. 
They are omnivores. 

629
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,400
So we do give them a 
supplemental feed. 

630
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,200
What we do is we've eliminated 
all corn and soy. 

631
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,520
We do supplement them with 
certified organic feed, but 

632
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,920
that's mostly peas, Milo, 
barley, and then like 

633
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,840
diametatious Earth, couple rocks
to help them digest it with the 

634
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,640
gizzards. 
But that's a majority of what 

635
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,320
they get in their supplemental 
feed, and we avoid corn and soy 

636
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,320
like the plague. 
Yeah, I don't think most people 

637
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,880
realize that even pasture raised
chicken requires some 

638
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,440
supplemental feed or else the 
bird would never grow beyond 

639
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,440
what, like 1 or 2 lbs? 
Right, exactly. 

640
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:41,200
And So what you guys do that's 
different is that it is super 

641
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,120
pure and it also doesn't have 
any seed oils. 

642
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,000
And you guys had to really go to
extreme lengths to find, feed or

643
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,800
create. 
I think you even worked with a 

644
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,320
mill to create your own blend 
that didn't have seed oil. 

645
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,320
So how does that impact the 
finished product? 

646
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,120
Exactly. 
And so one of the things corn, 

647
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,680
soy and seed oil is a lot of 
times it's soy oil or corn oil 

648
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,320
that they put inside the feed. 
We worked super hard with our 

649
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,600
mill to to get olive oil put in 
and any seed oils taken out of 

650
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,080
it. 
And so we've been doing that for

651
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,600
about 3 or 4 years now and super
excited about that. 

652
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,440
But essentially the reason we do
that is because of the 

653
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,680
polyunsaturated fatty acids. 
And so putting those seed oils 

654
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,680
into the feed, the chickens are 
going to eat that. 

655
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,920
That's going to go into the 
meat, that's going to go into 

656
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,480
the fat. 
And then when you eat that, 

657
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:29,880
obviously you're consuming 
those. 

658
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,680
And so we always say you are 
what you eat, eat. 

659
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,880
And so we wanted to take out 
anything that we wouldn't eat 

660
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,560
ourselves. 
We really don't want to feed the

661
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,240
animals that we're going to be 
consuming either. 

662
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,120
On a nutritional level, is there
a difference, a measurable 

663
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,040
difference, in birds that are 
raised this way eating quality 

664
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,200
feed versus a conventionally 
raised chicken? 

665
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,720
Absolutely. 
So there's a ton of data out now

666
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,320
to support pastor raised chicken
over a conventional raised 

667
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,680
chicken. 
And and one it just makes sense.

668
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,360
They're outside, they have way 
more access to different plants.

669
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,280
Animals are intuitively smart. 
They, they know what they need. 

670
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,760
You watch a cow grazing, you 
watch a chicken out picking, 

671
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,440
scratching, they'll go and eat a
certain leaf if their stomach 

672
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,360
hurts. 
They know they know what's going

673
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,040
to make them feel better. 
They know what they need. 

674
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,800
They know what nutrients come 
from each plant. 

675
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,000
And so just giving them access 
to the for the chicken to 

676
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,800
express the chickenness of 
itself. 

677
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,760
I don't know if that makes sense
or not, but just putting them 

678
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,920
outside in their element to 
where they can be a chicken. 

679
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,080
They know how to take care of 
themselves. 

680
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,080
And because of that, you create 
a robust immune system in that 

681
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,159
animal, and you don't need 
things like vaccines and 

682
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:35,360
antibiotics. 
Another thing that sets Primal 

683
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,440
Pastures birds apart is that 
your chicken isn't vaccinated. 

684
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,120
What's the significance of that?
Yeah. 

685
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,320
So like we've talked about in 
these conventional grow houses, 

686
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,199
they've created an environment 
that these animals really can't 

687
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,360
survive without vaccines and 
they can't survive without 

688
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,239
antibiotics. 
And so they're in a situation 

689
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,159
where these birds immune systems
are so weak and so poor that if 

690
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:59,480
they don't get vaccinated, they 
could have marriage disease, 

691
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,720
just wipe out 20,000 birds just 
rapidly. 

692
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,560
And so they have to preemptively
vaccinate and give antibiotics 

693
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,120
to these birds just to keep them
alive. 

694
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,440
We actually have to pay extra to
get our birds taken off before 

695
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,080
they vaccinate the birds. 
So sometimes they spray the eggs

696
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,080
with the vaccine before they 
even hatch. 

697
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,400
And Ovo is what they call that. 
Or sometimes as soon as they 

698
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,240
hatch, they're they're 
vaccinating them. 

699
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:25,720
And so we actually pull our 
birds off. 

700
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,720
And it's not that we're saying 
we're anti vaccine or anything 

701
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:30,120
like that. 
Our birds don't need it. 

702
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,880
So you have diseases like 
Merrick's disease, Newcastle 

703
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,080
disease, these diseases that can
just wreak havoc on conventional

704
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,080
raise birds. 
But because our birds are 

705
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,920
outside, they're on grass, they 
get fresh air, they get moved to

706
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,640
fresh pasture. 
So when they poop, they're not 

707
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,440
sitting in their feces. 
So if there's any of that virus 

708
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,960
or anything there, they move on 
to fresh pasture that next day. 

709
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,800
The other thing I want to talk 
about is the one thing that 

710
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:01,160
kills viruses and stops them 
from replicating and infecting 

711
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,040
is ultraviolet light. 
And so if you raise your animals

712
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,040
outside on fresh pasture, the 
sun's doing all the vaccinating 

713
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,160
we need it to. 
And so it it, it kills the 

714
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,000
viruses. 
And so we've been doing this for

715
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,480
12 years. 
We've never had an outbreak. 

716
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,240
We've never had an issue with 
disease on any of our animals. 

717
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,520
You had a viral reel about how 
most chickens, even organic 

718
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,040
ones, go through a bleach bath 
during processing. 

719
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,520
Why do they do that? 
It honestly, it's the conditions

720
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,480
they're raised in that you have 
so much bacteria on these birds.

721
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,400
So campylobacter, salmonella, if
they don't dip them in a 

722
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,520
chlorine bath or a bleach bath, 
then a lot of times they won't 

723
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,600
be healthy enough to eat. 
Like you'll have bacteria grow 

724
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,720
on these, the the product won't 
last long. 

725
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:45,600
People would get sick. 
And so it's very standard 

726
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,200
practice for most of these 
places to dip them in a chlorine

727
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,160
bath. 
So is there an alternative for 

728
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,160
that? 
So there is and and it's 

729
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,800
actually what we do. 
Again, we we have. 

730
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,160
Not had any issues with disease 
burden or anything like that. 

731
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,840
So we actually use a vinegar 
bath. 

732
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,600
You can also use like hydrogen 
peroxide. 

733
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,920
When we were processing in our 
backyards, we would just take 

734
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,720
capsules of vinegar, put it in 
the chill tank, dunk them in 

735
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:11,840
that and that took care of it. 
But when you have conventional 

736
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,760
raised birds that have such high
disease. 

737
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,040
Burden. 
That's what they have to use. 

738
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,520
Did the bird flu epidemic impact
you guys at all? 

739
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,200
How did you navigate that whole 
thing? 

740
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,520
Yeah. 
So again, all of our birds are 

741
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,200
raised outside. 
We haven't had any issues with 

742
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,760
that. 
Honestly, I think most of the 

743
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,960
bird flu epidemic was 
manufactured the way they handle

744
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,760
it. 
I don't agree with it all. 

745
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,840
Essentially, my thought process 
would be if I have a flock of 

746
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,320
chickens that get infected with 
bird flu and they're dying, I 

747
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,440
would take the ones that 
survived that and breed them 

748
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,400
because they have built in 
immunity. 

749
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:49,480
That makes sense to me. 
And so what's happening is you 

750
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:54,320
get these flocks of 30,000 egg 
layers and you know, 1020 of 

751
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,320
them test positive for bird flu.
Instead of letting that take 

752
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,800
place, what they do is they just
go into these grow houses, they 

753
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,200
pump this foam up, suffocate all
30,000 of them and. 

754
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,840
Just kill them all. 
And so they manufacture this 

755
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,640
crisis where really if you 
raised animals the appropriate 

756
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,200
way, where they can have a 
robust immune system and they 

757
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,400
can fight this off, none of that
would be necessary. 

758
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,480
And you could take the ones that
actually have that built in 

759
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,640
immunity breed from them and 
then the virus doesn't have the 

760
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:22,760
same effect. 
Yeah. 

761
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,840
I mean, that would be a logical 
solution. 

762
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,400
And it's not even passed through
consuming animals that have it. 

763
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,000
So the only cases have been with
farmers coming into direct 

764
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,640
contact with the animals because
it's a respiratory disease and 

765
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,920
not something that impacts the 
digestive system or that's 

766
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,800
contracted through eating the 
infected animal. 

767
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,400
Or at least there haven't been 
any documented cases of that, 

768
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,120
right? 
I want to talk about tallow 

769
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,040
because you guys just started 
producing your own tallow and we

770
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,560
are actually starting to use it 
in primarily pure products. 

771
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,480
What are the nutritional 
benefits of consuming tallow? 

772
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,840
Yeah, so tallow's awesome. 
It's. 

773
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,240
A super food in itself, but it's
not just that, obviously you 

774
00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:06,000
know better than most the 
benefits of applying it to the 

775
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,120
skin. 
But tallow, when you think of 

776
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,720
where tallow comes from, we use 
100% suet, which is typically 

777
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:14,160
the fat that comes around the 
kidneys. 

778
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,600
It's the cleanest fat. 
It it, it's got the best 

779
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,080
nutritional profile of the fat 
in the body. 

780
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,560
And so we selectively sourced 
suet for our tallow that 

781
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,320
provides a huge amount of your 
fat soluble vitamins. 

782
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:35,760
So vitamins ADEK, all of those 
are robust in tallow, especially

783
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,080
if you use grass fed grass 
finished pasture raised cows. 

784
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,160
The reason it's much better in 
grass fed grass finished cows is

785
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,600
because all of those vitamins 
are getting pulled from what 

786
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,600
they're eating. 
If you're taking tallow from a 

787
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,240
cow that is stuck in a feed lot 
and it's only eating corn and 

788
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:55,920
soy, a lot of those toxins, a 
lot of that soy gets stored in 

789
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,840
fat. 
So now you're rendering that fat

790
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:02,880
down and then you're using that 
for your tallow, which is not 

791
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,720
great. 
And so for us, we want to make 

792
00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:09,600
sure that it's sourced from the 
best cows that we can, raised 

793
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,240
outside on pasture, grass fed, 
grass finished. 

794
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,480
We use the highest quality of 
fat from the sewer. 

795
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,520
And then we. 
Render that into the tallow 

796
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,960
which you're using. 
But not only that, you can use 

797
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,720
it to bake. 
You can use it to baste, you 

798
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:25,000
can. 
We love frying in it. 

799
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,640
Yeah, it's super heat stable. 
Yeah. 

800
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,560
Really good for high temperature
cooking. 

801
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:31,400
Exactly. 
Yeah. 

802
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,040
So the, the oxidization level is
very high. 

803
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,720
And so if you've had French 
fries cooked in tallow compared 

804
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:42,560
to French rice cooked in 
vegetable oil, it's night and 

805
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,880
day. 
That's why McDonald's was famous

806
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,000
for French fries for so long. 
It's because they used tallow 

807
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,440
and then they changed the 
vegetable oils. 

808
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,400
They started adding, you know, 
beef seasoning, different things

809
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,080
to try and get that flavor back.
But tallow is really what gave 

810
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,400
it the the true flavor. 
OK, another animal based 

811
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,240
superfood is liver as we both 
know. 

812
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:05,400
What are the benefits of 
consuming liver? 

813
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,480
So liver will always have a 
special place in my heart and 

814
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,880
I'll, I'll tell a quick story 
real quick. 

815
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:16,240
It was I got COVID in 2020 and I
went a year without being able 

816
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:20,400
to smell. 
I just, it was a completely 

817
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,720
dwarfed smell. 
And after about a year, I 

818
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:30,360
decided to go straight carnivore
diet and I did that with liver. 

819
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,160
Every single day. 
I was doing about 1 to 2 ounces 

820
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,560
of liver. 
Within three days of that, my 

821
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,200
smell came back. 
Yeah. 

822
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,000
And so I started researching 
that. 

823
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,920
I was like, all right, liver is 
essentially nature's 

824
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,800
multivitamin. 
It's the most nutrient dense 

825
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,000
food you can consume. 
It's got like we talked about 

826
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,960
much higher levels of the fat 
soluble vitamins that you get in

827
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,680
tallow. 
So Ade and K and especially if 

828
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:59,400
you get it from grass fed cows. 
So vitamin A, retinol, super 

829
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,000
huge for vision, immune system, 
your skin. 

830
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,880
Vitamin K actually from grass 
fed cows. 

831
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,000
There's a study I was just 
reading recently that takes 

832
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,440
calcium. 
And if you get grass fed cows, 

833
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,080
it takes the calcium out of the 
arteries, which a lot of times 

834
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,360
causes heart disease and, and 
uses it throughout the body, 

835
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,040
puts it in the cells where it's 
supposed to be. 

836
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:26,040
These are all benefits of grass 
fed liver, grass fed tallow over

837
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,840
conventional race. 
How were you consuming the liver

838
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,720
when you were eating one to two 
oz per day? 

839
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:35,800
So this is my goal was to insult
my senses any way I could. 

840
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,920
So I was literally just eating 
it raw and I wasn't blending it 

841
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,400
up. 
I wasn't, I would just take 2 

842
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,400
ounces of raw liver and just and
just I couldn't, I couldn't 

843
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,400
smell your taste. 
And so by day three, I was like,

844
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:47,880
oh, what? 
This is terrible. 

845
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,800
Like when it kicked back in and 
I was like, but I had done it 

846
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,880
for two or three days. 
So like the texture didn't 

847
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,320
really bother me. 
I was kind of used to that, but 

848
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,480
I couldn't smell or taste it. 
It was just kind of chalky. 

849
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,880
And so I did like 2 weeks and 
then after a week and a half, I 

850
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,400
just started drizzling it with 
some honey. 

851
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,320
And then finally after doing 
that for a month, I was like, 

852
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,760
all right, well I know you are 
notorious for your liver 

853
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:12,880
smoothies. 
I was like, all right, let me 

854
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,280
start mixing it into smoothies 
because my wife and kids 

855
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,520
wouldn't touch it. 
But once I started stealing your

856
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,480
recipe. 
And put it in smoothies. 

857
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,280
The family loved it. 
I'm laughing because I'm 

858
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,800
remembering the picture you sent
to the family recently when you 

859
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,760
made the liver smoothie and you 
like, did you forget to put the 

860
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,200
lid on what happened? 
It just like Rob sends this 

861
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,280
picture of like he's standing 
next to the blender and there's 

862
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,080
just liver smoothie all over 
him, all over the kitchen. 

863
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,080
It was a disaster. 
Yeah, so I, I didn't think it 

864
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,560
was sweet enough. 
So I wanted to put some of our 

865
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,280
honey in it. 
So I took the top off and didn't

866
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,560
think to put the top back on. 
And so I poured the honey in, 

867
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,800
turned it on, and before I could
even, it just erupted over the 

868
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,160
entire kitchen. 
And I was just covered from head

869
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,920
to tail. 
And I spent 30 minutes scrubbing

870
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:02,400
my kitchen because I forgot to 
put the lid back on. 

871
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,520
That's terrible. 
So we actually have liver 

872
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,040
smoothies here. 
Normally I make them but my 

873
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,080
sister-in-law Jamie, Rob's 
sister made made ours today. 

874
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:12,280
Should we try it? 
Cheers. 

875
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,960
Cheers. 
This is really thick. 

876
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,240
I need a spoon. 
It's more of like a acai bowl. 

877
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:21,920
Yeah. 
It is. 

878
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:23,920
It's good though. 
It is good. 

879
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,000
She did a good job. 
I like the mint she took from 

880
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:31,560
the farm, that's a nice touch. 
Probably a bit all over my teeth

881
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,560
right now. 
What about other organ meats? 

882
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,600
Do you have any other favorites?
Have you tried any other ones? 

883
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:42,080
So when it comes to organ meats,
I'm a firm believer and you 

884
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,280
should consume what you're 
deficient in. 

885
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,960
So if you're somebody that 
struggles with thyroid issues, 

886
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,280
we call them sweet breads and 
cows, I think you should consume

887
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,240
that. 
I think there's a huge benefit 

888
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,040
to consuming an organ meat that 
you're deficient in. 

889
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,480
And that's like an ancestral 
concept too, right? 

890
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,840
Yeah, that that's, that's not 
something I came up with on my 

891
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,400
own. 
That's, that was standard 

892
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,920
practice up until the early 
1900s. 

893
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:14,520
And so I really like heart beef,
Heart chicken. 

894
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,760
Hearts. 
Actually so mild like chick. 

895
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,200
I haven't tried beef heart, but 
chicken heart, like I remember 

896
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,400
when we used to have chefs come 
out and do meals and a few times

897
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,960
we had chefs that would use the 
heart and they would just put 

898
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,800
like little chicken hearts onto 
a skewer and it just kind of 

899
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,600
tasted like steak. 
Exactly. 

900
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,640
And and, and it's, I mean it is 
a muscle, the heart is a muscle.

901
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:41,400
So it honestly, if you took beef
heart and cooked it just like a 

902
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,880
steak, the only difference I 
think you would notice is it's 

903
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,080
just a little tougher. 
Yeah, it's just a little firmer,

904
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,600
but. 
But nowhere near the strong 

905
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,080
taste of liver. 
Nothing like liver. 

906
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:54,800
Yeah, I think liver is probably 
the most insulting 1. 

907
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:56,840
And the most nutritious? 
Yes, exactly. 

908
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,160
And and I love liver. 
I I eat it all the time, but 

909
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,760
it's definitely an acquired 
taste. 

910
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,760
What about bone broth? 
Bone broth is huge and and for a

911
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,640
number of reasons, I don't think
a lot of people understand how 

912
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:17,360
important it is for gut health. 
So when you you take healthy 

913
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,920
bones, healthy joints, you 
meltdown, you get that 

914
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:25,280
cartilage, you get all of the 
essential amino acids that come 

915
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,880
from the bone marrow as well. 
But that goes in and a lot of 

916
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,320
times people who have leaky gut 
syndrome, they can heal that 

917
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,840
with bone broth. 
And so super important. 

918
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,400
It's great for your immune 
system. 

919
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:43,280
It's great for digestion, 
especially with the studies 

920
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,200
coming out linking like leaky 
gut syndrome to mental illnesses

921
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,360
and and depression, anxiety, 
things like that. 

922
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,520
I can't recommend bone broth 
enough. 

923
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,200
Good for the skin too, all that 
collagen. 

924
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,320
And you can also get the 
collagen in chicken skins, 

925
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,560
right? 
That's why I love the the primal

926
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,520
pastures chicken, like ground 
chicken blends well, they're 

927
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,920
delicious, but also like they're
so gelatinous because you guys 

928
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,760
grind up the skin and everything
cartilage, all of that ends up 

929
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,120
in there, right? 
And they're really good raw 

930
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,480
milk. 
Are you a fan of raw milk? 

931
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,480
Huge fan of raw milk. 
This is another one that's a no 

932
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,040
brainer to me. 
If if you take something in its 

933
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:24,480
natural state and you enjoy it, 
you get the benefits of it makes

934
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,080
no sense to me that you would 
heat it up, kill basically 

935
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,960
everything living in it. 
I mean, I understand why they do

936
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,480
that because the cows that are 
getting the milk live in 

937
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,240
horrendous conditions and if you
don't do that, you run the risk 

938
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:39,400
of severe disease. 
But if you're getting it from 

939
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,000
Mark McAfee, if you're getting 
it from a respectable source 

940
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:47,160
that is doing appropriate 
hygiene practices, the benefits 

941
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,440
of raw milk are so much better 
than processed milk and 

942
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,200
homogenized and pasteurized 
milk. 

943
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,520
And, and so if I've had patients
come in and go, I'm lactose 

944
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,800
intolerant, I can't try, it was 
like, OK, well, have you tried 

945
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,320
raw milk or a 2A2 milk? 
And they're like, no. 

946
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,120
And they can do that, and they 
can tolerate it because when you

947
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,440
process milk and when you 
pasteurize it, you get rid of 

948
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,840
the lactase, which is an enzyme 
that actually helps a lot of 

949
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,120
people digest lactose. 
And so when you have it in its 

950
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,760
natural state, in the way it's 
supposed to be, a lot of people 

951
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,240
that have lactose intolerance do
much better. 

952
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,880
Yeah, it's a completely 
different food, pasteurized milk

953
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,920
versus raw milk. 
It's I mean it tastes like water

954
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,520
versus not what I. 
Mean what it should be exactly? 

955
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,800
Yeah. 
What would you say to someone 

956
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,440
who loves the idea of eating 
higher quality meats? 

957
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:40,720
Really wants to, but they're 
hesitant to pay a higher price 

958
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,760
point for it. 
OK, so so that's a great 

959
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,480
question, and we get this 
question all the time. 

960
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,080
It's super important to 
understand how people spent 

961
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,160
their money over the last 100 
years. 

962
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,840
So prior to the agriculture 
revolution, a majority of 

963
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,760
people's money was spent on food
and very little was spent on 

964
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,240
medicine. 
Now you're seeing the shift 

965
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:07,160
where a lot of people spend 
money on healthcare, chronic 

966
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,440
diseases, and they're spending 
less and less money. 

967
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,520
So there's a shift where if you 
focus more and invest in your 

968
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,520
health ahead of time, you may 
have to spend more on food. 

969
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:22,160
But in the long term, chronic 
illnesses that cost a ton of 

970
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:23,800
money down the road can be 
avoided. 

971
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:29,240
And so yes, to get nutritious 
high quality food does cost 

972
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:31,720
more, but I think there's a 
trade off in that too. 

973
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,920
And I also want to address 
there's, there's ways to get 

974
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,880
nutritious food at a lower price
point. 

975
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,400
And, and I always recommend 
people buying in bulk. 

976
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:48,880
So if if you're looking to stock
your freezer, hey, I know it's 

977
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,120
more to get this nutritious 
food, I know the benefits are 

978
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,080
there. 
What's the best way to do it? 

979
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,400
So I recommend getting the 
quarter Cal, buying a half Cal 

980
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,280
because you get all your cuts at
the same price. 

981
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:05,800
And so where typically you may 
have to pay a ton of money for 

982
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:11,200
your rib eyes, your fillets, you
get those other cuts too at a 

983
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,960
cheaper price. 
And so your fillets, your rib 

984
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,400
eyes, your ground beef, all of 
that's coming in at a cheaper 

985
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,120
price. 
And so I recommend that. 

986
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:23,880
The other thing you can do is 
the nutritional value and steaks

987
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,720
is very similar. 
And so if you're concerned about

988
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:30,000
your health, buy a top sirloin 
instead of a rib eye. 

989
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,280
You don't have to buy the most 
expensive cuts to really get the

990
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,960
nutritional benefits. 
That's good advice Rob. 

991
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,400
I asked Paul, our 
brother-in-law, when he came on 

992
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,800
the same question too. 
But you have 4 kids, 2 full time

993
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,680
jobs. 
How do you personally take care 

994
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,880
of yourself and still show up 
well for all the demands that 

995
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:54,560
you have on a day-to-day basis? 
Yeah, majority of it is my faith

996
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,920
in my family. 
I have an unbelievable support 

997
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,480
system. 
My wife's a rock star. 

998
00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:04,480
She just is on top of it always.
And so that's a huge support. 

999
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,400
Obviously our extended family is
super helpful. 

1000
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,960
We have I have three sisters and
a brother that live right around

1001
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,120
town, my parents, my in laws and
so we have a ton of family 

1002
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,560
support. 
We have a church that backs us 

1003
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,240
and so. 
Having that foundation. 

1004
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,600
Let's me push harder and 
further. 

1005
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:27,200
And, and one thing that I 
always, always emphasize on top 

1006
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,240
of that is exercising. 
I, I have to get into the gym. 

1007
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,520
I don't have time to plan out 
workouts. 

1008
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,360
And so I work out at a local 
CrossFit gym. 

1009
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,200
I show up, the workouts done, I 
spend an hour work my butt off 

1010
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,640
and I'm out and I'm refocused. 
All the stress and anxiety 

1011
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,400
throughout the day is balanced 
and and that plays a huge role 

1012
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,000
in it too. 
Yeah, I can. 

1013
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:50,960
I agree with all of that. 
Ditto. 

1014
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,480
We call it the McDaniel shuffle 
sometimes because there's like 

1015
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,840
always like ongoing 
conversations on the text 

1016
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,880
thread, like, oh shoot, can 
someone pick up this kid from 

1017
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,280
this place at 3:00? 
Or like, I forgot about this. 

1018
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:05,880
Can someone help me with this 
thing? 

1019
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:12,000
And someone is usually able to 
to chime in and provide support.

1020
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,040
And it's so valuable for me as 
well. 

1021
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,080
I mean, we all have busy lives 
and we all like things are just 

1022
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,000
kind of always in motion for all
of us. 

1023
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,600
And so having that built in 
support system is huge. 

1024
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:25,200
Yeah. 
Rob, thanks so much for being 

1025
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,080
here. 
Where can people find you and 

1026
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,720
primal Pastors? 
Thanks for having me. 

1027
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,320
We've shipped to all 50 states. 
It's just primalpastors.com. 

1028
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,520
One of the best things is the 
convenience that we offer. 

1029
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,600
You can have the cleanest meet 
in America shipped right to your

1030
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,720
door. 
Little effort and great quality.

1031
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,440
We're on Instagram, we're on 
TikTok, we're on Facebook. 

1032
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,000
Follow us. 
Really appreciate you having me 

1033
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:47,720
on. 
Thanks, Rob.