This morning shed trend. Have you heard of this?
It's where people are applying absurd layers of skin care
products all over their face before they go to bed, with the
goal of taking it all off in the morning to a perfect complexion.
Beauty burnout is such a thing. People also want to know our
thoughts on micro needling and dermaplaning.
Some type of a growth factor is important when you're getting a
micro needling treatment to help with barrier and skin repair.
Something to kind of help regenerate and heal after.
People also want to know about bikini line skin care.
What do you do for your bikini? Line In my early aesthetician
days I used to do bikini waxes and Brazilian waxes and I have
never had one. Something I'm geeking out on is
circadian biology. I mean, everyone around me,
people are tired of hearing you talk about this.
I did a poll on Instagram and I asked people what they wanted us
to talk about. The number one thing people
wanted to hear from us on was, all right, Courtney, this
ketchup is so overdue. The last time we recorded an
episode together at the farm, you were single and you were
living in Newport Beach, CA. And now you're married and
you're living in Texas. Yes.
So what has been the bigger challenge?
Your first year of marriage? Almost year almost, or becoming
a Texan. This question is amazing.
It's so good to be back. I feel like it's been so long
since we've done this together. Leaving the beach was very
bittersweet for sure. And I think both definitely have
their challenges in their own way.
Like John and I are both in our later 30s, so merging
lifestyles, personalities, preferences, you know, comes
with some adjusting. And then moving to Texas, we're
in the country, so most things I'm used to having at my
fingertips aren't as readily available.
Like really great coffee shops and gluten free bakeries.
Orange County totally spoiled me.
But genuinely, overall, I feel like both being married and
moving to Texas has been like a breath of fresh air.
Like it's truly felt like an exhale.
Like being married to the best man ever in so many ways.
And living in the country in Texas, I grew up in Michigan.
I grew up riding horses. I always had a dream to live on
a ranch. And so I'm kind of having this
like, crazy, like, dream come true moment that I never like.
It was like a forgotten dream that's become reality.
Yeah. So although I'm so bummed to
leave my bachelor at life at the Beach, like if God had to pluck
me out and put me anywhere, that was like, this is the best place
to be. So we're on like, hundreds of
acres that his family has with cattle and chickens and pigs.
So I'm learning the homesteading life.
And it's kind of funny because obviously I lived like steps
from the sand, so I would always be bare, but I would be wearing
all my Beachy clothes, which were very appropriate there.
But now in the country they're not as acceptable or appropriate
and I can't be barefoot anymore or I get attacked by fire and
scorpions and wolf spiders. Yeah, so taxi.
I think it's like Australia, but everything is way more dangerous
in Texas than. Anywhere else, everything's
bigger and scarier in Texas. Actually my.
Learning. Parents live in Texas and I
remember the first time we were texting because I was, I was
visiting them and we just happened to be like in
conversation. And I was, it came up that I was
in Texas and Courtney was like, Oh my gosh, we should see each
other. And I'm like, do you know how
big Texas is? No, I know, I think.
We're like we're like 5 or 6 hours from one another but in
the same state. It's massive.
It's huge, Yeah. Even driving out when we were
moving from California, we got to the Texas border and we were
only halfway to home. Yeah, I know we've done that
drive a lot. My parents live in the Austin
area, so we've made that drive from Southern California to
Central Texas several times, and you just kind of like breeze
through California, Arizona, New Mexico, and then you're just in
West TX for what feels like forever and there's nothing
there. It's just desert.
It's not pretty. That's what I had in my mind
about Texas. And we live in East Texas.
Texas, obviously much further to get there from California, but
it's so lush. We moved in the summer.
I felt like I was on Hawaii, like on one of the islands in
Hawaii. It was green from like sky to
the ground. Everything's super humid,
tropical, so many lakes. Do you live near a lake?
Yeah. Oh, nice.
Thank God because I'm a water baby so there's several lakes
all around. Do they get cold in the winter?
Can you cold plunge in them? You know what I haven't tried
yet? You should try that when I get
back, yes. Yeah.
OK. I want to dig into something
with you. I saw an article in the
Guardian, it was from about six months ago and it was talking
about this morning shed trend. Have you heard of this?
Yes, I have. I have seen it.
OK, so it's where people are applying absurd layers of skin
care products and sheet masks all over their face and even
their necks and lips before they go to bed with the goal of
taking it all off in the morning to a perfect complexion.
Yes. So I think I can guess what you
think about this, but I want you to tell me what you think about
it. Well, honestly, I have been
guilty of this trend to an extent, to an extent.
I don't take it as far as a lot of these influencers on TikTok.
But when I I'm seeing this, I'm like, oh, I've had seasons where
I'll wear my Castor oil pack, I'll wear my mouth tape, I'll
wear my frownies, I'll do a hair oil mask and my slugging like to
like. And to me that feels like a
normal amount to do before bed because each has such a specific
purpose and a benefit and I'm willing to commit to that
practice. So sometimes in the morning I
feel like I am doing that whole shedding routine and the needing
to shower out the oil and everything.
But I definitely think it can go too far.
Beauty burnout and Wellness overwhelm is such a thing.
And so I think with most trends and like to do's, I think it's
really important to evaluate our why and the intention behind it.
Like is it for a viral video and views, or is it because you
truly have a health imbalance that you're trying to support or
repair? And I think when we come from
that position of like it's simple, it's sustainable, it's
supportive versus, you know, I'm, I'm going to do this for a
show or like for this perfect appearance.
I think that's where it can go a little bit too far.
I feel like what you're talking about is is so different though.
It's like Wellness things to support your whole body.
Yeah. Whereas I feel like from what it
sounds like to me, yeah, it's just all about like skin barrier
overload is what? I think of yes.
When I first saw this 1000% and I think we see that in just like
the skin care routines in general.
It's like, OK, all of this after the 12 step skin care routine
has already been completed, then you go put all these things on
and sleep in them. It's like when is your skin ever
just your skin, yes, you know, and then wake up and maybe put
makeup on yes. And so it just seems like so
much. It is so much.
And girls now like this is starting at younger and younger
ages. Sad.
Like we've talked about this a lot, just the Sephora trend
among teenagers and this is what they're spending their money on
now. And I think we're starting to
see a little bit push back, a little bit of push back on that.
And I'm hoping, I'm hoping that in 2026, people are going to
kind of go back to basics and skinnimalism, which I think you
made-up that term, didn't you? I would love to take credit for
that but I I don't remember. I feel like I had seen it maybe
somewhere, but it just makes sense.
Like minimalism, skin care, skinnimalism.
Yeah. So I do think that we at
Primarily Appear have made it a thing for sure.
And I think that that's kind of where things are going.
Like I think people are going more towards barrier supportive,
yeah, simple routines. That's just what I'm feeling at
least some next. Year, yeah, definitely.
I think that's on the horizon for sure.
I think we're starting to wake up to the reality that less
truly is more, yeah. Have you ever tried face taping
at night? I've done frownies OK but like
the actual like kinesthetic type tape that.
Yeah, any of it. I don't know.
I don't know too much about it. Yeah, I don't.
I haven't. No, just the Frownies.
Do you do them? Regularly, I haven't done them
in a couple of years, but there was a season like I used like a
full pack because I found I would furrow when I would sleep,
like I could feel it. And what I loved about the face
taping genuinely was I felt like it did help me repattern my
facial expression while I was sleeping.
Like it helped to hold it in place and soften it that now I
don't use them all the time but I feel like it helped me be
aware of what I was doing and soften that whole like throwing
while I'm sleeping. So it like retrained your facial
expression? I felt like it did.
For me, yeah. Yeah.
Have you tried it? No, it's one thing I've never
ever tried and it's very popular right now.
Like in all forms. Yeah, and like I said, I don't
know too much about the different types of face taping,
but I'm not opposed to it. I'm just already doing so much
like I, I do a version of this. Also, it may not be with
product. I mean, I do my skin care
routine with our products, but then I'm it's absurd.
Like I put earplugs in, I put a nose strip on to open my
nostrils. I mouth tape.
Can you tell a difference with a nose strip?
Oh yeah, I'm curious about that. Like.
Better than mouth tape. I wake up feeling so rested, so
oxygenated and it's not breathe right.
It's like an off brand and I feel like it's not as there's
not as much of A stickiness to it.
Like the Breathe Right strips are too sticky and like leave
too much residue, but these feel a little bit more gentle and I
love that. I've seen them, I've been
curious. I just had my husband start
doing it because he snores and it's like night and day helping,
yeah. Incredible.
So it's like that one, it's like it's making a difference in how
you feel and your health. It's like.
It's right. What does your current skin care
routine look like? Skinmalism, I love keeping it
simple, but even my husband is like go to your 47 steps skin
care routine, even though it's definitely far from that.
But in the morning facial dry brushing always I noticed such a
difference. I have a little milia that will
come up on my forehead and when I'm consistent with facial dry
brushing, it's they're totally smooth and clear.
And when I get out of that habit, they always come back.
So that's something I'm getting back into and being very
consistent with. And then I've been habit
stacking my skin care routine. So while I'm facial dry
brushing, I'll rebound at the same time.
I'm actually loving that. I love waking up to that and.
That's actually a great combo. Yeah, all the lymph stuff at the
same time. And then after dry brushing, all
about layering and all the misting right now.
So I layer everything, spray and clarifying this like I douse my
skin in them and then I massage it in like it was like a serum
or a balm or something. And then clarifying mist and
antioxidant balm in the morning. And then my little quick wash.
I do a quick wash in the morning.
I leave the elongated facial massage for the evening and then
before bed, cleansing oil of course, then more misting and
then everything balm. And then I'll keep my facial
cuing or my gouache of stone on my night stand.
And then I'll get into bed and do my full facial massage with
the tool while I'm horizontal under my covers and then red
light before I go to sleep. Nice.
OK, so you're doing when you do your full massage, is that with
your fingers or with the gouache?
Stone with the gouache stone. OK, that's where I'm like doing
the back of the neck, like I'm focusing on all the sides, like
the fine line, little wrinkly eraser side of the stone, where
in the morning I'm more like just trying to wake up, lymph
flow, get movement going. Then at night I'm doing more
like a targeted flow. So being in Texas in a new
climate, have you changed your skin care routine at all?
A little bit. Texas is so cold.
So I think that's why I'm definitely doubling up on the
mist with Everything spray and the clarifying mist.
And like that's like a whole massage in and of itself,
applying those products and then at night adding in the
Everything balm. That's actually a new one for
me. I've been on a plumping cream
kick for years. And then I think with the colder
temperatures and just wanting to simplify my routine, it's just
cleanse, mist, Everything balm, and that is so moisturizing.
Doug wants some liver smoothies. Drink our smoothies before
before the farm dog does. Cheers.
When's the last time you had one
of these? Amazing.
Do you make them at home ever? I have frozen liver cubes in my
freezer. Couldn't tell you the last time
I made my milk. I put a lot of liver in this
one. Taste it.
A liver smoothie, milk moustache, it's great.
Yeah, I'm actually surprised. I thought I'd be able to taste
it a lot more now there's quite a bit in here because I haven't
had it in a while. So there's I felt like what mine
tasted. Wanted to cram it in.
I can taste the liver honestly in mind, but if I know it's good
for me, I don't. Mind yeah I only taste it as an
after taste. And it's so creamy, you know,
it's so good. What else do you put in these
again? Berries, mint, honey, raw milk.
That's it. Wow, that's it.
OK, Bethany, what's yours? I'm kind of embarrassed to
follow you because you had such a great answer in your skin care
routine is amazing and mine is not quite as in depth.
I thought mine was so simple. No, Well, it is.
I think it is simple, but just with you know, I'm not doing
extensive guacha or anything like that.
And I used to do facial dry brushing.
I love facial dry brushing. I've kind of forgotten about it.
So I'm glad you said that because I that is something that
I used to really love doing in the morning and I literally have
forgotten about it. Like I don't, I don't even think
I own a facial dry brush right now.
And we have them at primarily pure.
So Ally, next time you go to the warehouse, can you please grab
me one? Get 2 for her because doing 2 at
a time has changed the game. Because just because it takes
less time or. It just, like, feels better.
It feels all of the above. Yeah.
Like I love the feeling of both at the same time.
I'm working them together and you're done in half the time.
Yeah. No, that's good.
OK. And I'm not a mother to three
young children. You have that going on.
So I can do an extensive facial massage routine and so doing 2
at a time will be good. For me it's great yes, I love
that and it does make such a difference.
It's such a nice like gentle exfoliant and way to wake the
skin up in the morning yeah, I'm gonna start that again.
But right now I just kind of splash water on my face and then
while I think the thing that we have in common is lots of
misting slash like water and and then the oil based products in
synergy. That's where the magic happens
yes, the the combination of the oil and the water really like
drive the moisture and the hydration deep into the skin and
it just it hydrates the skin really well.
It helps the products penetrate into the skin better.
So I'm all about that. I kind of splash my skin with
water first thing and then I will use one of our serums or
even our oil cleanser. Like I'll put that on and kind
of like leave it. There, my sister's been doing
that. She was like.
I mean, there's no reason not to.
That's what she's been. It was formulated as a cleansing
oil, but it can act as a serum also.
And I don't know, I've just been loving that lately.
Cool. And so it's really like light
feeling. It's just really nice.
And it, yeah, it absorbs well, so you can layer makeup on top
easily. But that's kind of what I do in
the morning. And then I'll put the complexion
mist on. I love the clarifying mist.
That's my favorite. Yes.
So I'll do that on top top. And then that's kind of all I do
in the morning. If I sweat in the morning, like
if I go in the sauna, then I'll go in the shower after and I'll
like do a light cleanse with our baby bar.
And then I might use some toner like some of our everything
spray. I spray it onto a cotton round
and then apply it that way. And then I'll do the same stuff,
the cleansing oil, but leave it on and then the clarifying mist.
And then in the evening I will do the oil cleansing method.
And then I will do everything spray on a cotton pad as a toner
and then I'll do for the moisturizer.
This is where I kind of mix it up.
So I'll do sometimes the plumping serum and then finish
it with mist of complexion mist. Sometimes I'll do plumping serum
like and then complexion mist and then baby bomb and then more
complexion mist. Yes, the sand witching is so
yeah. Yeah, I can't say it enough.
Just like going back and forth between the misting and the oil,
the misting and the oil. And then facial cupping is my
favorite form, a facial massage. So I'll do some stuff with my
hands first. Like I'll just like a lot of
like lifting stuff. I don't know what you would say
about my techniques because I did not learn them anywhere, but
it's just kind of like a lot of like moving the skin upwards,
like along the jawline and the cheeks in the forehead.
That's where it feels really good.
I just like move it up and then I'll kind of do this lightly in
the neck to like drain a little bit.
Perfect. That's the beauty facial massage
is. It's truly so intuitive and it
is. It's like tuning in.
And that's why like yes, to protocols, there's a time and a
place, but more so it's like presence and like, where am I
feeling that tension and like spending more time there?
Where is there congestion and knowing at least like these are
the major lymphatic highways that just needs that light
pressure to nudge that drainage down.
Yeah, I feel like I learned enough from you to kind of go
rogue a little bit. And I may not follow.
I like exact methodologies, but yeah, I know the basics.
I know enough all you need. And then like ears, I like to
like really work my ears. My gosh, I.
Like, I don't know the science behind that, but it does
something. No, it's like a vagus nerve
technique. It's like, yes, it's helping to
engage your parasympathetic. Okay, yeah, good.
I do an ear massage in all of my facials.
Yeah, I remember that. Also, I love so good that you're
calling them complexion myths, because that's what we.
Stalled it. We don't call it that anymore.
That's a throwback. Another facial mist.
Yeah, my gosh. I mean, same, same, but yeah.
Yeah, still complexion missed in my mind.
Yeah. OK.
And then I'll do facial cupping. Do you ever do facial cupping
anymore or? Yeah.
No, no. No, I'll, I'll alternate.
Sometimes they'll do both. I don't have kids right now, so
I don't have time. Yeah.
Well, I just it just the way it tugs at your skin and I don't
mean that like I know that can sound bad.
Like we don't want to tug at the skin too much, especially when
we don't have product on like that.
I don't want that. But when your skin is slippery
from, you know, these amazing, like, oils and creams and
serums, yeah, you can you can tug at it a little bit and it'll
really break up tension. And it feels so nice.
And I also feel like that helps the product to further absorb
death because. And why does that happen?
You probably know. Well, it's just supporting that
absorption like you're, it's like if you just put something
on and then just leave it like this is really just helping to
press and push it into the skin and help just receive.
It and go into deeper layers. Yeah.
And it's just it. It's so good for beasting
circulation. Yeah, you're really enhancing
the overall health and optimizing the skin's functions.
And part of that is to receive the nutrients being applied.
And so when the skin is in a healthier state, it's just more
able to receive all that goodness to.
Yeah, that's a great routine, Bethany.
Yeah, I mean it's, it's not terrible.
And then I, I also mix in testing products because we're
working on developing so many products right now.
So a lot of times I'm using products that haven't been
released yet and kind of experimenting with those, so.
Totally. Every every day.
Every night I'm just kind of like, OK, what am I?
What am I trying right now? What am I going to use?
And in combination with what other things?
But I think that's the beauty of it too, is like that ebbing and
that flowing, which is something I'm really into right now is
like a ritual menu or like a skin care menu.
And it's like knowing all the skin care steps, products,
tools, like all the things that work that you have and look
forward to doing. But like it's not like we have
to do them all every morning and every night.
It's like what? It's like a little tool kit.
Like what do I have today? How's my skin feeling today?
How am I feeling today? Is it going to be a quick spritz
and like just a serum or am I needing a little bit of a long?
Younger, more involved, routine for my sense of, well-being, a
nervous system. I love that.
So I love that you. You're already doing that so
intuitively. What did you call it?
A what menu? A ritual Ritual menu.
I love that. OK, I did a poll on Instagram
and I asked people what they wanted us to talk about.
And the number one thing, this probably won't come as a
surprise to you. The number one thing people
wanted to hear from us on was makeup.
They wanted to know what makeup we use.
You don't wear makeup often, but do you have any favorite makeup
brands? I do feel like this is an area
where I let down our community because I'm not.
I used to love makeup. I wrote a blog for us years ago
on how I used to wear so much makeup.
I saw a picture of you in high school.
You Your eyeliner was like a centimeter thick around your.
Head had somebody ask me if I had gotten a black eye.
It was my smoky eye that I spent all morning perfecting.
Are you just horrified? Yeah, I think I, I think I
pivoted probably from makeup at that point.
Oh my gosh. But I think too, skin care has
been such a focus for so long. It's not that I don't love
makeup. I think I've just been so
focused on my skin health that now I feel really confident and
comfortable just going bare faced.
But I won't go a day without an eyelash curler.
I think that if I was stranded on a desert island and I could
take one thing, it'd be my eyelash curler because it just
immediately opens up my eyes. And even without mascara, I feel
like it makes such a difference. I feel like.
I'm a first grader. When I try to do it like I'm not
good at it. I don't know how I like miss
half of my eyelashes half the time.
It like it's a challenge for me to do it properly.
Maybe your eyelash curler that you have.
I mean, it might be maybe I ordered it off Amazon and I'll
help you. I've never even tried any other
brands. Yeah, OK.
Like it's really hard. I will say I think I have, I'm
probably going to misprint on it.
Air Perez Airpresz, it's AI think it's a they're from
Australia, but I also in aesthetician school, we had to
like learn full face makeup application.
So I was like doing them on people.
So I've gotten really comfortable with it, but I would
love to help you learn it because night and day difference
and then a little bit of mascara and I have just kind of stuck
with Ilyas Volumizing mascara for years.
I will say I actually also really love Living Libations
mascara and a brown brow gel. They have like peptides or
something in them that actually helps support because I'm like,
if I can wear makeup and it's like also benefiting my skin, my
lashes, my brows, like that's my kind of makeup.
Yeah. And then Ilia too, I'll just
kind of stick with their clear brow gel sometimes maybe a
little highlighter. And if I'm feeling fancy, I'll
do their liquid eyeshadow. OK.
And then I keep our lip balms on hand always.
I that's I love a bear like, like moisturized lip.
I think that's my favorite. Yeah.
I'll use our tinted lip balm. But I think probably I'm not
used to myself and makeup that it's still a little bit hard for
me. Yeah.
So I'm, I know you and I've been talking about doing an updated
makeup roundup on our blog because this is such a popular
question and there's so many great brands that are newer in
this space and have, you know, not been around for too long.
That'd be great to like learn about and experience what is
your because even we did a photo shoot and you brought all of
your own makeup for the makeup artist to use.
And I was like, what is in your makeup bag?
I want to know what's in your makeup bag.
OK, well, I think makeup is fun, but I will say I'm not an expert
in makeup by any means. So I've just kind of randomly
collected things that I think kind of like work OK on me, but
I don't I'm not an expert in most days now what I wear is, I
don't know if I'm allowed to say this yet, but I'm going to say
it. Our tinted SPF that's launching
this summer. It's so good.
I love it so that's my like
quote makeup. Most days it's just tinted SPF
and then. On that so quick.
Yeah. I saw Grace at the HQ when we
were first starting to formulate these and I was like, Grace,
your skin looks insane. What are you?
What are you wearing? What are you doing?
She said our tinted SPF. No way.
Yeah, that's amazing. It's really good.
The friends that I've given
samples to, they have since run out and have been hounding me
for more. And I'm like, guys, I don't have
enough myself. Like I'm sorry, I need to store
what I have until we launch this product because I'm not running
out of this stuff. It's so good.
So I wear that most days. And then so your eyelash curler
is my eyebrow pencil. So that is like the thing that
I, I, I need to wear that because I over plucked my
eyebrows in high school, like most of us early 2000s children.
Did you know people who grew up in the 90s, early 2000s And
unfortunately they just never grew back in the same.
So I do pencil in my eyebrows every day and I that's the only
product that I don't, I don't have a natural version of like
it's a, it's anaesthesia is what I use and it's not a natural
brand. And gestural defect and being
that. Lasted So what I like about that
one is it's not like a pencil it's like AI mean is a pencil,
but it's like A twist up and it kind of it's like a pencil Y
kind of thing yeah and I've tried a natural pencil at one
point and I didn't feel like it did the did the trick and in my
mind that is like it covers such a small surface area yeah of the
skin and of the body that I'm kind of OK with it.
Is it ideal? No, but I know I'm not perfect.
I'm never going to be perfect and it's like 1 little thing.
That's how you do all the other things, support health and all
the other products. That we're swapping, I mean,
it's like a few centimeters of the body.
Did you do microblading? I did, yeah.
Are you is that was that not a? Thing, you know, it's
interesting. I did that two years ago, and I
remember saying asking like, how long is it going to last?
And she kind of said, well, for some people it can last like up
to three years. Some people it's more like a
year and a half, two years. It just depends on like, how
oily your skin is and the products you're using.
Like if you're using a lot of oils on your skin, it's not
going to last as long. So I feel like it lasted like a
year for me. Yeah.
And I'm just like, I don't know. I don't know if I want to keep
doing that. That's another thing, like, I, I
try to avoid toxins. Why am I, like, putting dye into
my eyebrows? Even though it was nice.
It was really nice. I liked it.
Yeah. So it's like microblading or the
eyebrow pencil? Yeah.
You know, exactly. Yeah.
Yeah, so those are like my everyday things, the tinted SPF
and the eyebrow pencil. And then if I'm getting my
makeup done, if I'm, or if I'm doing my makeup myself, my
husband and I are going out on a date, I'll do my makeup.
Or if I'm recording a podcast, I have someone do my makeup.
And in that case, I supply everything.
And it's kind of a mix of I have Ilia Foundation that I mix with
a foundation from crunchy and that's what I use as foundation.
And then I have like a did. How did you come up with that
little convo? I, I don't know, I just, I'm
just playing around. I'm like, this one's a little
too dark. This one's a little too.
Light. I'm just gonna mix that up.
Amazing. This one's a little too like
liquidy of a consistency. This one's a little too firm.
Fun. Yeah, I just kind of playing
around. Yeah, exactly.
And then a powder, like a translucent powder from crunchy
on top of that to kind of set it.
And then OG is a good brand OGEE.
Their stuff's like probably the cleanest that I've seen.
And they have complexion sticks that I don't know how to use
personally, but if I'm having someone do my makeup, they'll
use the sticks and so they're doing some of that.
Is that like the contour? Yeah, it's.
Not like crazy, like I don't, you know, I don't want anything
like too crazy. But they're you know, they're
putting some like bronze are here and some blush wherever I
don't know exactly what they do and it comes out.
I like how it looks when it comes out.
Amazing. So.
Yeah, I feel like you have such a beautiful, natural look
sometimes. Maybe I'm I'm less likely to
wear a full face of makeup because I feel like it just
settles into all the lines. And like, I feel like when you
do your full face, it just like actually is smooth and looks
hydrated and. Oh, thanks.
I need your Rex. I feel like, I mean, I think
you're just being hard on yourself because you don't wear
makeup often, but I've seen you with a full face of makeup and
you look great. Thank you.
Yeah. But I will say it too, like
hydrating with our, I'm not gonna say complexion mist, our
facial mist, like even after putting makeup on, I feel like
helps to piss off in it. Yeah.
And make it to look more like Dewey and natural.
Yes. So I do.
I do like that also. And I feel like I'm forgetting
something. Oh, yeah.
I have a Ilia eyeshadow palette, which I never use unless I'm
having someone do my makeup. And then the Ilia mascara I use
also. Yeah.
I think that's it. Perfect.
Yeah. I love it.
That's the extent of our makeup knowledge, people.
So I hope you're. It is.
I hope you're satisfied. I used to do makeup applications
for brides like that feels like another lifetime.
You did and now I. Feel a different life.
I have lived many different life.
This one's my favorite. OK, this kind of fits in with
what we're talking about, but someone asked can you explain
how to apply your products and then apply makeup so it's not
greasy. My answer for that is, and I
think they're asking because our products are oil based, most of
our products are oil based. So how do you like apply oil on
your face and then apply makeup without it being just feeling
too oily? And I think that that a lot of
times people aren't using the oil with with the facial mist.
Agree. So yeah, that kind of eliminates
that issue. So if you're using and you can
do a facial mist 1st and then apply the serum, I wouldn't
necessarily apply like a serum and then a cream in the morning
before makeup. Like, I think that's too much,
but I think you could apply complexion mist or facial mist
and then a serum and then more facial mist and that's, and then
do a little bit of massage too. Yes.
And that's gonna really help the product to absorb.
And then when you apply makeup, it's gonna go on really nicely.
Yeah, verbatim, exactly what I would say.
And I think too, I just wanna touch on that so quick, the
whole oil and water thing, because especially with people
are new to tallow because that is such a rich animal based fat,
such a nourishing oil for the skin.
If you're using a Taliban and not using a water based product
like the facial mist for hydration, I really don't think
you're going to get the results you're expecting.
And I think that can be maybe a hindrance or hesitation for
people. Like I tried tallow, but then
whatever. So if you're new to tallow, I've
tried tallow but haven't added in the water based hydration in
conjunction with that, that could be the missing link to
really getting the full benefit from the Talibans.
So I think getting in the mess and it takes like 3 seconds,
it's a whole like aromatherapy experience.
You're just like enveloped in the aroma, the hydration, it's
so good. Yeah, I'm glad you said that.
That's really important. And I don't think that we talk
about that enough as a brand. I think like people need that,
like constant reminders in education.
So that's one thing that I've been meaning to to encourage us
in lately is like we need to remind people they need to use
the oil in the water. Because the way the skin's even
structured and it's functions, it creates its own lipid
barrier, it has its own natural oil production and water.
So we're wanting to protect from that water loss in the skin and
like, replenishing and protecting the lipid barrier.
So even if we look at how the skin is made, it has both water
and oil. So when we're only doing one,
we're actually creating this disruption of this harmonious
ecosystem that needs both. Yeah.
So it just makes sense. And traditionally we have not
formulated products that have both oil and water because that
usually requires A harsh preservative which we're not
interested in using. But we are, we have been working
on formulating some oil and water based products.
So more to come on that. We wouldn't release anything
unless it was super safe and non-toxic and we are trying to
find ways to do that. Yeah.
And I think even over like the last decade, there's more
innovation and more discoveries and how to make that.
Yeah. Available people also want to
know our thoughts on micro needling and dermaplaning.
What do you? Think I want to hear your
thoughts first. OK.
I think we have opposite experiences.
So I think you've dermaplaned. Yeah, I have not dermaplaned.
I don't think you've micro needled.
No, and I have micro needled fun.
So I will let you speak to dermaplaning.
I haven't tried it, not because I'm opposed to it, but I just
haven't tried it. I just have not gotten around to
it. I would like to try it, but I
haven't. I've tried micro needling and
I've done it probably 3 or 4 times over the course of the
last couple of years and that was more of like a like a series
even though I didn't do them very close together.
It was kind of spread out over the course of several years.
But I so I don't think it's inherently bad.
I do think it can be bad and I think it's very important to
find the right person and and to not go too deep into the skin is
very, very important. I would never do any kind of
radio frequency micro micro needling because that can really
disrupt the tissue and even melt away facial fat in some cases,
which we don't want. It can kind of cause the tissues
to like fuse together in an unnatural way.
And a lot of plastic surgeons are finding now that when they
are opening people up to do procedures and facelift that
there are tissues people who've had a lot of like radio
frequency, any radio frequency treatment, they're like their
muscles and their fat and the layers of skin are just like
have this like sticky kind of glued together like consistency.
And so I. Just think of like bound fascia
like it's just like stuck and bound in.
Not in a movement, yeah. Yeah.
So I think it it can be harmful and like do some unnecessary
damage to the skin if you're doing that sort of thing.
What were your results like? Or what was my gosh, your
intention in trying it? I think just.
See. Just like smoothing and what's
the melasma? Hyperfigmentation was a concern,
which I actually, we have an episode coming out with a
heliotherapist. I actually think what was more
instrumental in helping with my hyper pigmentation, which it has
like gotten so much better, Yeah.
Is circadian rhythm stuff like circadian biology stuff like not
wearing sunglasses. Yeah.
Oh my gosh. Oh, this is.
Fascinating. Like yeah, it's really that was
the thing that cuz I would it would help the microneedling
would help with that, but then it would come back.
And so since I stopped wearing sunglasses, I used to always get
it above my lip. Yeah.
And that doesn't happen anymore. And So what sunglasses do,
people? This may be like, we may lose
people talking about this. This seems like kind of crazy,
but when you wear sunglasses, you're getting the light in an
unbalanced spectrum. And So what we take in through
the eyes, like it signals the skin in different ways.
And so you're just messing with the balance of rays coming in
through the sun when you're using the barrier of sunglasses.
So yeah, anyways, I feel like that that was like the biggest
thing with hyperpigmentation. That's crazy too because I feel
like often sun is like pinned as the culprit for
hyperpigmentation and the sun could be what actually heals
hyperpigmentation. Yeah, I wonder how much of that
is because of, because it can be the culprit if you are not
taking in sunlight in a natural way.
So like. And at the right time.
Yeah, exactly. And if you're not getting
morning sunlight, which has protective effects against
midday sunlight, that's also going to cause issues.
Yeah. So yeah, the circadian stuff is
fascinating. We have an episode coming out
soon with Zaid Dehajj that people can listen to For more
information on that. But yeah, that was that was
crucial for the for the hyperpigmentation, I think.
But I do think the microneedling helped with that for sure.
Like temporary results were, I mean, were awesome.
And I think that So what I did also was micro needling with
exosomes and you can do it with PRP also.
I think that some type of a growth factor is important when
you're getting a micro needling treatment to help with barrier
and skin repair, something to kind of help regenerate and and
heal afterwards. Otherwise you're just kind of
relying on your body's own defenses to heal and regenerate.
And I think it's helpful to have like a growth factor of some
sort just to kind of support healing.
And another thing, I don't think you should do it if you are
sick, like if you are, I mean, if you actually are sick, like
have a cold or something like that, you shouldn't do it
because it's going to, your body's already going to be run
down from that. And then when you micro needle
and then your body's having to like repair the skin, but also
it's fighting off this sickness. But if you also have some kind
of like chronic lingering sickness and you're doing these
treatments, I, that's where I think that it can kind of
deplete the skin and deplete the body quite a bit.
So I think you should be like healthy and I think you should
be mindful of like eating really well after and before you go
into one of these treatments, like dial in your sleep before
and after all of that stuff. So good.
I think it needs to be taken a little bit more seriously than
it is, but I do. I had a positive experience with
it and I will probably keep doing it maybe once or twice,
once or twice. A year so did your technician
suggest like a certain number of treatments in a certain like
allotted amount of time or like to see the results yeah so it's
like is it like an ongoing forever sort of thing or is it
like in six sessions or whatever yeah you'll.
See the shift? I think it varies a little bit
from person to person, but what what I was told is kind of like
3 or 4 sessions ideally like within a month of one another.
I wasn't able to do that. So it was more spread out and
then like less as time goes on, Yeah.
Yeah, and I think that's such a good point too.
It's like not everything is black and white.
There's a lot of nuance, I think too.
So even like, no, I'm not like stoked on necessarily how it
works of like almost in a way like creating these micro
injuries in the skin to like pull from the dermal reserves of
her collagen and reparative processes.
But if there's like a very specific goal that's maybe
you've been struggling with for a long time, like melasma, and
it's like, OK, I know that within this number of sessions
and this amount of time, like I'm going to commit to that.
But they're not making it like an ongoing forever thing.
Like not your go to regular facial treatment.
I don't think that should be like the only thing.
And yeah, and the thing that you're relying on, yeah, I see
it as more of a, a supportive thing.
Yeah. And, and I also think that's
where like the growth factor comes in, like not relying on
your own dermal reserves to, to do all that repair on its own,
but like using the health of a exosome or PRP or something like
that. Yeah, I love that.
OK, tell me about dermaplaning. Dermaplaning I've gotten a few
times and I do actually have a tool which as an esthetician I
feel good having a tool, but I I think sometimes these at home
tools can get a little out of hand.
So it makes me nervous to be like dermaplaning is great.
Do it like because it can either either it can either be overdone
or done like in in not a. The proper context, I think so I
like dermaplaning in a professional setting.
And I think similarly, like maybe not as like a regular type
of treatment, but like if you have a big event or an occasion
where you're going to be wearing a full face of makeup, like a
wedding, the effects are so beautiful because it's gently
exfoliating, but then also removing all that vellus hair,
baby hair on the skin. So if you are doing a full face
of makeup, it just sits so much more nicely on the skin and it
does help to just create like a brighter skin tone overall.
So I'm not usually a fan of that like mechanical type of
exfoliation, but I think in certain settings and situations,
it's when I've gotten it done, I'm like, Oh my gosh, my skin
looks so smooth, so glowy. And then in a facial setting,
you're getting all these really beautiful products applied
afterwards. So can also help just like
remove any hindrances to that product absorption into the
skin. So are they is it removing just
the hair or is it removing kind of like dead skin cells from the
surface? Yeah, dead skin cells from the
surface as well. Yeah.
And I mean, you could also cut yourself like there's there's do
it in a facial setting similar to you.
It's like know who you're getting it from, like ask
questions, hear about like read reviews, you know, get
referrals. But I think, yeah, generally
it's, it's an OK, fine service to get in a facial setting.
Yeah, I don't do it. I've never done it on anybody,
but I've loved the results. But I don't think we need to be
shaving our face like every single day.
Yeah. Have you done it on yourself?
OK. Yeah, so I have a tool, so I'll
do it. Honestly, I kind of forget about
it. So every probably once a season
I'll do it. But I also find similar, like
the post care side of microneedling, there has to be a
really intentional post care for dermaplaning because you are, I
think a little bit more sensitive to the sun if you're
not using proper products or even like treating the skin
properly beforehand. I found even on myself I'll get
little irritation or inflammation.
So that's why too. It's like doing it in the right
context in the right scenario is more beneficial.
For sure super important people also want to know about bikini
line skin care. That's so fun.
I know what do you do for your bikini line?
I've. Never been asked this question
in my life. Well, I thought it was
interesting because we used to talk about this with our
Everything spray of how, Yeah, you can use it.
You can spray it on your bikini line after shaving to help
prevent ingrown hairs. Yeah.
And I do feel like that with tallow with our Everything bomb
is a great combo for like healing the bikini line if
you're someone who's like shaving.
Yeah, I think too. A little bit of exhalation
beforehand, so dry brushing and our body polishes.
If I'm like doing an everything shower, those two things have to
happen beforehand and then. What is an everything shower?
Reshaving everything. Everything.
It's like the hair masks, everything.
Smooth and clean shaven. Yeah, body Polish.
It's oh, they're, they're glorious.
There is a difference. Like most of my showers are just
rushed. Exactly.
OK, Wash my armpits real quick. Yeah, it kind of rinse off and
then I'm out. And then when I do go in for
like a full, OK, washing my hair, yes.
Shaving my legs, shaving my armpits.
Yeah, it's a it's a different ball game.
Like doing the hair mask where like that deep conditioner's
like on for 10 minutes like while I'm shaving.
I've never done that. Oh, it's.
We'll have to talk about. Yeah, we'll.
Talk about hair. But also I was thinking about
this question and how I feel like back in the day, well, like
now, like less is more, right? And so even my razor, I'm back
on the single blade razor. We're back in the day, it was
like the more blades the better, like 5 blades, whatever.
So I think the single blade has made a huge difference.
OK interesting. If you're shaving, I do sugar
ring for my bikini. Line.
What do you think? I love it.
I love. It I haven't done it yet, I'm
thinking about prefer that to waxing.
I think though, no, it's. Great, it's great.
I never get ingrown hairs at all.
OK. But I've been thinking about
getting one at at home. Like trying it trying to do it
at home. Good luck, let me know how it
goes. I will.
I used. To work up the courage.
In my pre pre early aesthetician days I used to do bikini waxes
and Brazilian waxes and I have never had one.
Whoa, you. Know I always told my mom I was
like I feel like I should get 1 so I know like what my clients
are experiencing. OK.
What is that like doing that? Because I'm always wondering
like, that's, that's a weird thing to do for someone, right?
Like a bikini line wax. I mean, not a bikini line, but
like a Brazilian. Like that's very, very personal.
It's very intrusive. Yes.
Like what's going through your mind as you're doing that?
Get the hair gone yeah that's it actually true it's just a matter
of fact you're just a matter of fact taking care of business yes
especially when you're doing them quite regularly it's just
and it's women to women and they know what they're getting into
for the most part and so and you're.
Probably trying to help them feel comfortable.
Yes, that's the. Are you just talking about
things? Like, I feel like that's what my
girl does when she's sugaring. She's like ranting about stuff.
She's, you know, we're just talking about, like, random
stuff. Yeah.
To get through. Yeah, just trying to get through
it. OK.
Hair stuff. What do you use on your hair?
Bethany, I need your hair care routine hair goals right here.
Well, OK, I feel like hair care is internal first and foremost.
So eating nourishing foods, eating lots of meat, I think is
really beneficial for growing healthy hair.
Organ meats especially. I do notice a difference when
I'm doing liver consistently, consuming liver consistently.
Do you feel like it helps my hair grow longer and stronger?
And then I was telling you earlier, like we have a
hyperbaric chamber at home. I haven't been able to use it
for a long time now, and I feel like my hair is just not growing
the way I want it to without that.
Because for a while I was using it very consistently.
And I know that's not like a normal thing that people are
gonna go out and do. But if you do have access to it,
there are lots of health Wellness clubs now that have
hyperbaric chambers. I do think those can be really,
really helpful. You notice a difference when you
do it. You don't.
Yeah, big time. Amazing.
Yeah. You know how everyone kind of
has that threshold to where it's like it's hard to grow your hair
beyond a certain point. Yes.
And it's like different for everybody.
And I had that and I feel like hyperbaric oxygen therapy helped
me to like push beyond that threshold.
Amazing. Yeah.
Product wise, OK, I have two brands I like Inner Sense and
Reverie so. Reverie.
That's a new one for me, yeah. I've kind of been in touch with
the founder on and off. She's great and their products
are great and they're great for my kids.
I use them. They have this hair milk.
It's really nice. It's just like, it's like this
Milky texture and you kind of weave it into your damp hair and
it just. Makes your hair like a leave in
conditioner. Type maybe kind of like that.
Cool. Yeah, yeah.
Are you? Do you do a lot of styling
products? No OK, no nothing.
So I shampoo condition, I use some leave in either like the
inner sense leave in conditioner or the Reverie hair milk.
And then every once in a while, Reverie has like a styling cream
kind of thing that I'll kind of like scrunch into my hair after
I curl it, but I don't know if I'm doing it right.
So I don't use it often. But if I want my hair to like
stick, like last time I was in Texas and I curled my hair and I
wanted it to stick and it was humid.
And I kind of like, I don't know, just like tossled that
into my hair after I curled it. And I feel like it helped it to
stick a little bit better. Again, I don't know if I'm even
using that right. So Hillary from Reverie, if
you're listening, you can tell me.
But yeah, no, that's kind of what I do.
And then how do you style your hair I.
Just curl it. OK.
Do you let it air dry and then you curl it or do you blow?
Dry it. No, I blow dry it OK and I
probably only do it like once every week and 1/2 or two weeks,
but I will touch up curl it like if I need to so you.
Wash your hair every week and a half.
Two weeks. And that's why when I do wash
it, it's like the full thing. It's like I'm washing it, I'm
drying it, I'm curling it. Yeah, that makes sense.
And then if I need to do touch up curls throughout the week,
I'll do that, yeah. So are you doing a lot of dry
shampoo in between or does your? Hair, yeah, I do.
Dry shampoo or hats? Yes, I love it, hence all the
hats that I wear. I I need to get on the hat
train, I think because dry shampoo is almost a daily
staple. Yeah, honestly, even after my
hair is clean, I just love like the volume and the texture that
it. Adds really good that yeah, I
guess that is the one styling product that you could.
It's not like supposed to be a styling product, but it does
kind of work the styling product because it adds so much texture
and volume. Yeah, yeah, I love it.
You got me on to inner sense. When I first started at
primarily Pure in 2016, love Inner and I was using them for
probably like 7 or 8 years and then just to like try something
new, I was using under Luna, which I also love so much.
You know them, right? No, just connected yeah, through
the brand, but they're based in the Pacific Northwest and like
use like hand harvested herbs, like really beautiful formulas.
But then sadly, John has like such a sensitive scalp.
So now we're using, I've been, we've been going back and forth
between like non EO, non essential oil formulas.
And so now we're back on to inter sense of just using like
they're very like fragrance free gentle version.
Yeah, but I love their detox mask and they're hydrating
masks. I've been doing a lot of like
hair and scalp masks lately because I feel like I've kind of
hit that. I feel like my hair hit that
like plateau of growth. I also didn't get it cut for
over 2 years so that might have had something to do with it.
So I just got it trimmed, which works wonders.
Who knew? But then like really focusing on
scalp health specifically. And so I've been doing scalp
guasha as well with a little hair oil, with Castor oil,
Rosemary, peppermint and like I've got to get on this hair
game and like support. Yeah.
Do you feel like it's helping? I think so like when I'm doing
the hair oil overnight and I'm doing the hair mask or the hair,
the scalp massage, I feel like even the next day, I feel like
it just looks healthier and shinier.
So I think the scalp guasha, I haven't been doing it long
enough to like really tell, but now that I've just gotten a
fresh trim, I'm like back on this like focused hair routine.
Yeah, scalp massage is huge. That's another thing I do.
I forgot to talk about that, but yeah, I don't do the scalp
gouache, but I just like every night I just just go at it, just
massage the crap out of my scalp and it feels amazing.
How do you feel about micro dealing on the scalp?
I would do it. I wanna do it.
Yeah. I just, I don't know, like, I
don't know. I haven't like sought that out.
Yeah. But micro needling on the scalp
with PRP is supposed to do wonders for helping the hair to
grow and for reversing Grays. Yes.
And preventing Grays. So I I definitely I want to try
it. Oh my gosh.
OK, maybe I need to look into that too.
I have a few a few sweet Grays coming through.
I feel like, yeah, I would do that like once a year if I felt
like it was helping. Yeah, Oh my gosh.
Fine. What does your diet look like
right now and what are some of your go to meals?
Thank God I'm married. A man who can cook.
John does so much of the cooking and it's such a blessing.
I like to bake, he likes to cook.
And so with it being winter and that colder season, we've been
really doing a ton of roasts, stews, soups, chilies.
It's the best. And then I'll bake sourdough and
we'll just kind of pair that together.
So pretty simple. Also he's like synced up with my
cycle, which is so fun. So and I'm like starting my
cycle. He'll have like a fresh, he like
keeps ingredients on hand to make chili because that's like
my winter phase, my like menstrual cycle meal.
How does he know? Does he have an app that he like
tracks you on or does he just he track all by himself?
Oh no, he can tell. OK, He can tell.
He, he has a nickname for my Ludial phase and he says Luda's
come to town. I just get so emotional.
I'm just a little bit more weepy and teary and tender than
normal. So he's like, oh, it's coming
soon. So then he's just like prepped
and ready. He's prepared.
Yeah, that's good though. I did try to hook him up to my
app where it tracks but haven't really dove into that so much.
Yeah, I love that. So super.
Simple. And then for like lunch, working
from home, I love just doing bowls, like kind of whatever I
have so like sauteed green sauerkraut.
You'd be like 10 sardines or salmon or something, beans of
some kind, like chickpeas or something.
So just throwing a bunch of stuff into a bowl.
Yeah. What about you guys?
Like always, like meat and protein?
Your pot roast. Recipe actually looks insane.
It's so. Easy.
It's so easy. It's very simple.
It's just pot roast, carrots and onion and potatoes.
I don't really eat that many carbs anymore.
So like, my kids will go to town, the potatoes, but I don't
really eat them. But yeah, I do that a lot.
We do that a lot similar to you. Like, I don't really cook a ton.
Jeff does more cooking. Like the joke in our household
is that if I'm cooking, it's like it's ground beef night.
Like ground beef and sauerkraut nights.
Yes, same. That is great.
I feel like it's all you need. Like you can eat.
I could eat ground beef. Yes, over and over and over.
You can do everything like that. Yeah.
So yeah, kind of a lot of bowls also like in the mornings and
for lunch I'll do ground beef or Primal Pastures has these
amazing ground chicken blends, like ground chicken, chorizo,
ground chicken, Italian style. Those are amazing.
So I do a lot of those and mix them with some kind of fermented
food. Sometimes I'll do just like hot
sauce and like slice up raw cheese with with the meat.
Raw cheese. Yeah.
More like ground beef, avocado
and hot sauce, just like simple stuff like that.
And then for dinner, yeah, we do roasts.
We do always like a protein with maybe like vegetables or
potatoes or sometimes rice. For the kids, do you tend to
stick to like the same type of like meat, like veggie side sort
of thing or do you like mix it up?
It's mostly just like meat and veggie sides.
Yeah, but if we go to my in law's house, which we do a few
times a week, my father-in-law cooks more elaborate meals,
which is great. Like the other night, he made
fried chicken sandwiches with primal pastures ground chicken
and like fried them with. He coated them in like arrowroot
or tapioca or something and then mixed with what is it, Egg?
Do you mix that with egg when you're like, I don't know.
Yeah, something. Create that like sticky coating.
Yeah, and then fried that in tallow.
Oh my God. And then did like French fries
fried in tallow. And so yeah, sometimes when I'm
whenever we eat something more fancy, it's because like, yes,
our in laws cooked. That's so good.
That's. Which is fun.
Yeah, that's how I feel about John.
He's someone just sauces and like all the flavors and you can
just like taste it and tell what it needs.
And I'm like, if I don't follow a recipe exactly, it's like not
going to come out okay, so. Someone also asked how do you
maintain a healthy weight eating high fat, high calorie foods?
So I thought this question was funny because I'm like, OK, so
the assessment then is that I'm eating high fat, high calorie
foods, which is kind of true mostly.
Maybe the high calorie, I don't know.
Is steak high calorie? I eat a lot of steak and like
meats and stuff. So I think people think of those
as high. Calories.
I like the raw dairies. Yeah, yeah, raw dairy.
That's true. I forgot about raw dairy and
high fat. I wouldn't say I eat super high
fat anymore. I'm not like, I don't avoid fat
on purpose, but I don't, like, try to eat tons of fat either.
I focus more on protein. And I think when you fill up
with protein, you're less hungry for everything else.
Yeah. So if you make that like the
main staple of every meal, you're not going to want as many
carbs. You're not going to want as much
like pure fat and you're also not going to get fat.
And then walking, I think like as much as you can walk every
day. Weight training is great too,
but I'm not doing a lot of that right now.
I just like every chance I get. I walk with your weighted vest
and yes, almost all the time. Not like all the time, but yeah,
I do use a weighted vest and that's huge as well.
What about for you? Well, I feel like a lot of those
like maybe high fat, high calorie foods, they're real
foods. Yeah.
So I, I feel like it's like, oh, my body knows what to do with it
all. It's like my body knows how to
absorb and assimilate and use it.
And often to like to your point of like if I'm adding in more
protein, focusing on the protein, it kind of doesn't
leave much room for other things.
And so I feel like then when you're eating more of these
Whole Foods, your palate changes.
So you're not like craving these like high sugar processed type
foods. Like, you know, when I gave it
all up 10 years ago, it's like everything changed for me.
Like my taste buds shifted and I didn't crave that kind of stuff
anymore. So I'm yeah, I don't know.
I don't, Yeah. It's like, I don't even think
about like what's high calorie, what's high fat?
I'm just like, this is a real food and it's like it's going to
support what I needed to support.
Agreed, I guess, And I will say for anyone that maybe is
struggling with cravings at all, like I we probably changed her
diets around the same time. And I noticed, like you, my
cravings did change immediately. But I still had some cravings
like I still do. I still have them now.
They've lessened like over the years, but it's been a very
gradual thing. Like there was an immediate
difference. Yeah.
But I would still crave like, and, you know, healthy versions
of treats. Yes, I would still crave like,
I, I would put down, you know, 3, like paleo brownies easily.
Oh, I have like 5 years into eating healthy.
Yes. And I've even noticed in recent
years that that has like dissipated a lot.
So it's been very gradual. Yeah. 1 hack that a recent
podcast guest told me is if you are craving something sweet,
have something fermented instead.
Oh, interesting. And that that good bacteria in
the fermented food is going to starve out the sugar craving
bacteria. And it's an amazing hack I've
been implementing. About That's funny.
And I wonder if that has something to do with why
sauerkraut is like my favorite midnight snack Yeah, it's like
cold country. Cold, crunchy, fermented.
I don't know. I like, that's like my ice.
I still eat like clean ice cream but.
Yeah, I love ice cream. Ice cream is just fun.
Like, I'll never stop eating ice cream.
Never. We got an ice cream maker for
our wedding and now we're doing like raw milk eggs from the
ranch. Oh my God.
It's like honey. Yeah, it's so cool.
We get that from the Amish. So that's like what I eat when I
eat ice cream now. Yeah, unless I'm going out.
Like sometimes I will eat ice cream out, but most of the time
if I'm eating ice cream, it's. And it's basically the same
thing that you said that you make.
It's like raw milk, raw honey or Maple syrup and then egg.
Yeah. So good.
It's the best. Are you taking any supplements
right now? Yes, I am, which I have
simplified my supplement routine a ton over the years.
I used to take so, so many and it felt a little overwhelming.
And I've, I've whittled it down and I've been looking for more
like whole food sources for my supplements and I want to make a
baby. So really focusing on that like
preconception health. And so the last like maybe 10
months I've been doing liver. I've been doing liver for a long
time, but now I'm like desiccated desiccated liver.
Oyster, desiccated oyster, I guess then where do you get
through? And then vitamin C, fertile
FRTL, it's called the baseline bundle.
It's those three. I think it's the only
supplements that this brand even offers, and it's the first time
I've ever had anything actually on subscription.
Like, I use them, finish them, and they show up right away as
soon as I'm done. And it's so cool because I think
for most of my life I've taken supplements just hoping they're
doing what they say they're gonna do.
I'll say I haven't really. I've been able to tell a huge
difference with them this time. Like I used to get cold sores
every month the week before my period.
It was a hormonal immunity thing.
I remember this for years. It came out of the blue and then
lasted forever. The last like 3 or 4 months I
haven't gotten my cold sore. Wow.
And I really attribute it to this bundle.
The liver and all those nutrient dense vitamins, bioavailable
vitamins, the zinc in its whole form in the oyster, which is
also paired with copper and iron and then the vitamin C and whole
food form. And they all work together.
Like, and even this woman who started this brand, like she
actually has gotten it tested for like the exact nutrients
that are in them. And I, I love it.
So that's what I've been doing. Sounds amazing.
I do the I do desiccated liver as well, so I get it from heart
and soil and I do the her package that they sell.
So it's like reproductive organs from animals.
And then I do their collagen also.
So the supplements I take are mostly like whole food
supplements. So I do the organs and the
collagen and then Rosita extra virgin cod liver oil.
I love that one. And then I do a few other
things. There's what's it called C-15.
It's like a fatty acid that there's all this research on
C-15 and how I think humans like used to have more of it and we
don't have as much of it anymore.
And the way that it was discovered is from like a
dolphin, someone who researched Navy dolphins and they found
that the dolphins that were living longer had higher levels
of C-15. Interesting.
So it's just a fatty acid and I guess we just don't get enough
of it and helps with longevity. So there's enough research
behind it. Taking that.
Maybe like 5 months. Oh wow.
I can't say I physically like notice a difference, but I just
feel like there's enough research and people that I trust
recommend it, so why not? And then I kind of feel that way
about midopure, which is Urolithin A, which is found in
pomegranates. And it's just, it's a like
mitochondrial supportive supplement.
Yeah. So I think those are the main
things that I take in like magnesium before bed.
I take it internally, Magnesium Breakthrough is the brand.
And then I apply it externally with our sleep spray also.
Yeah, I think that's. Pretty much it.
I've also been really getting into saffron lately.
Have you taken saffron? No.
So there's another really beautiful brand that I recently
discovered called Wild Holistic and they they do a lot of like
ancient traditional herbal remedies and blends and they
have it's like saffron, turmeric and the ginkgo Balboa maybe I
think biloba, yes. And.
The shot I gave you before this Haba.
Does that have that in the beekeeper shot?
Yeah, amazing. And saffron, it's just like all
these studies showing like how it helps like with ADHD,
depression, focus, clarity, mood and like incredible benefits.
OK, I have to say also Symbiotica, I forgot about
Symbiotica, but I love their pouches.
And so I don't necessarily take like I've got their vitamin C
and their colostrum and their Sheila Jeep packets.
And I don't take everyone every day, but I do kind of have those
on hand and I I mix them in here and there.
People also asked about peptides.
Oh yeah, I'm guessing you have not tried any peptides.
I have not. OK, tell me about it.
I don't know a lot about them. I'm doctor Camellia is coming on
soon. We're going to talk all about
peptides, but BPC 157 is one that I have taken several times.
It's really good for lowering inflammation.
It's good for that digestive tract and I noticed a difference
with it. Cool.
So I love BPC 157. Another trend right now
biohacking now is a thing of the past.
That term is is kind of out of date and the next Wellness
buzzword is cell Ness or focusing on cell health.
Wow. What are your thoughts I.
Love it. I love it so much because it
just makes, it's like, of course, it's like when we bring
it back to the root, to the source, it's like what we're
doing here through generative agriculture, focusing on the
soil, Everything else flows from that, flourishes from that.
So when we're focusing on cell health, it's like it flows from
that foundation, yeah. I love it.
I mean, between sellness and skinmalism and tallow and eating
tons of meat, it's like all of this is just validation.
It's like the stuff we've been talking about for 10 years.
And it's almost like these New York Times and Vogue writers are
just binging the Pure Life blog. Like you guys, you can just call
us and like, we'll tell you what's what's on the forecast
for the next 10 years if you want, because I love you're just
now catching up to what we've already been talking about.
And it's not just us, it's lots of people.
But it's funny how like cell health, this is something that's
so foundational and so basic. And now it's like this buzzy,
like new thing when there's nothing new about it, one person
asked. What do you do when the pursuit
of health becomes an idol? It's a good question.
Yeah. Wow, I have thoughts so I'll
hear your thoughts first. I mean, I think that health and
Wellness should support everything that you do in life
versus being the sole focus of it.
So like thinking about health in a way that is like supporting
your your mission in life and how you show up to the world
rather than this is the one thing that I care about and I
want this to be optimized above everything else.
It's like, no, that's important so that you can do everything
else that you were put on this earth to do.
Exactly. So I think it's a like it's a
perspective thing and something that I love from Ruth Chow
Simmons. She's she talks about like this
idea of stewarding versus striving.
So I think that we can get caught on the hamster wheel of
just like, striving for optimal health.
And rather than thinking of it that way, like we should think
of it as like, how am I stewarding my body?
How am I taking care of myself to the best of my ability?
And yeah, I think it's just something we all have to kind of
gauge and be mindful of as we are on these health journeys.
I love that. Yeah, I think that too.
It's like that perspective, that heart posture, like the why
behind it? Like is it the striving to
attain this like perfection or is it, it reminds me of our
philosophy on self health and the difference between self
health and all these trendy self love self-care, which can be
more indulgent, selfish, superficial when self health
really the the priority is different, the posture is
different in perspective, so. What's something that you're
currently super interested in and just geeking out on?
I'm currently geeking out over my husband for sure.
I'm obsessed, but I am diving deep into detoxing my closet for
the first time ever. I'm like waking up to the
reality of what my fabrics are made out of.
Like I feel like I've been walking this while I'm.
Straining even mindful of that in the past now.
No, OK, I mean, maybe I was just drawn to like, I mean, I swapped
over to Linen's sheets in like 2019 just because I love, I love
how linen. Feels, yeah, maybe that's why I
thought that because you do just naturally I think gravitate
towards natural fibers and I see you in linen a lot so I just
kind of assumed that was also for health reasons so.
So only just literally in the last few months.
Like this is very very new for me.
Bethany. I think it was like 2 months
ago. I feel so silly saying this.
I learned polyester was plastic. What?
I did not. No, I genuinely did not know.
Wow. I know.
So only in the last few months I changed out all my underwear,
all my bras, my socks, my athletic wear.
Like slowly, like thank God for Black Friday, but like I did not
know. I've been made by when you when
you swap. I really love Mate the label,
their bra let's are my absolute. Fave I love mate.
Their leggings are awesome, all their active wear I really love
and then intimates and like underwear I got from packed.
I really like them too and their leggings and then their
sweatshirts like their their sweaters all organic cotton so
soft. My mother-in-law loved it so
much she wanted it for Christmas.
And it's like these natural fibers feel better, I know.
Like I feel better even knowing I'm wearing them and even to
learning about the fertility connection and like wanting to
conceive now that I just got married.
And it's like, Oh my gosh. Who knew?
Is John wearing cotton underwear?
He always has. Oh, nice.
Yeah. He's like, it's not organic, but
it's cotton. And I'm like, that's great.
Yeah, it's fine. Nads is a good brand of organic
cotton underwear for men and then for women.
Yeah, does make make underwear. I don't think they do.
Do they? I just got the brolettes.
Yeah, yeah, mate's great, Packed is great and then subset is
another one that's good. I love their underwear.
Subset. Thank you.
Oh yeah, I am like forever. I've converted.
Yeah. Completely so geeking out over
that. What about you?
Something I'm geeking out on is circadian biology.
I mean, everyone around me, people are tired of hearing me
talk about this, but I'm not going to stop talking about it
because it's so important. It's like right up there with
food in my opinion. And I think that's going to be
the thing that like 5 years from now, everyone's going to be
talking about it and it's going to be a bigger deal than it is
because I just think that artificial light, the wrong
lights at the wrong times, are wreaking havoc on our health.
And the lack of sunlight when we need sunlight is also wreaking
havoc on our health. So I think more and more
information and knowledge is going to come out about this in
the coming years. But yeah, super important one.
And I think it's so powerful too, because it's like free.
It's here. It just takes like a little bit
of intention to like. Yeah, we're so used to living
indoors. We spend, the average person
spends, what is it like 94% of their time indoors.
We're so disconnected from this amazing source of life that God
has given us for free. And I just think we're only
scratching the surface of like, what the benefits of sunlight
actually are at different times in the day and taking advantage
of all of that. Yeah, I mean, I'll, I'll stop
there, OK? Give me your most absurd habit.
Like something you would do that people would just gawk at and
think is so bizarre. Can you answer this one first?
OK. I mean, I probably have several
and I think like I just, I don't realize that I'm doing.
I don't realize that some of the things that I do are not normal
until I'm with people and they're like, what are you
doing? Yeah.
Like when I drop into a squat after, you know, I just, I sit
in a squat now. Like ever since I recorded that
episode of things, squatting is like my go to position.
And if I'm not squatting enough, I like crave being in that
position. Squat.
I do jumping air squats after I eat.
I mean, I'm not going to like start doing squats in the middle
of a restaurant. Like, I have a little bit of,
you know, awareness of my surroundings.
But if I'm on the podcast studio between recordings, like I was
doing a little while ago, yeah, I'm gonna squat because I've
been sitting for a long time and I need to get some energy out
and I need to move my body. So, I mean, that's a little
weird, I think. And then I will wear red light
glasses in public now. Like if it's night time, I will.
I mean, if I'm in a nice dinner, it's dimly lit already.
I'm not going to like wear blue blockers.
But if I'm like in Costco at night, like I was two nights ago
under bright fluorescent lighting at like 7:30, you know,
which right now in California, it's dark by what, 6?
So it's like, yeah, that would just be too.
I'm too sensitive. Like I'm not going to, it's too
much. Very stimulating, yeah.
So like I will walk around Costco or wherever with red lens
glasses on it. I don't care if people think
that that looks. Weird.
I don't know. I don't think probably I just
literally I do not care not for less.
And then I have this red light headlamp.
Now people are going to think I'm really weird, but I do have
a red light headlamp that I wear at night, like in my own home.
And when family members come over like my husband, my kids
are used to it. And but when family members come
over, they're like what is happening?
Because I've got like red light glasses on, but the lights are
all dim. So the red light headlamp then
also it helps me to to see better.
Is that like when you're reading a book or like started?
As that it started as just for reading at night when all the
lights were out. Yeah, but, and I don't do this
all night, but it's like it's kind of the last maybe hour,
half hour of the night where I'll put it on.
And I use it to like I do my skin care routine with my red
light headlamp on because you obviously like I can't wear
glasses while I'm doing my skin care routine.
But I also don't want to turn on a light because right now I
don't have circadian friendly lighting in my home.
We're renting a house right now and you know, once I'm back in
my home with circadian friendly lighting, I won't do this.
But yeah, I do my skin care routine with a red light
headlamp. So things like that I'll do with
that on. Oh.
My gosh, that's amazing. Which I will say, talking about
the circadian lighting, that is something John had before I came
into his life. But he would use it for like the
green and the blue and the purple.
And I'm like, no, now we need to keep it on that, like low red,
low, warm. Like it's it makes a huge
difference when you have those light bulbs.
And once you feel it, you can't go back.
Oh, my gosh. Yeah.
OK. Well, I love that.
So what do you do? I would well, because thinking
about this question, probably people would gawk at what I do,
but it feels so normal to me now that it doesn't seem like a
weird thing. But I will say, since being
married, I have realized, oh, they're these aren't really so
normal like like putting on the the red glasses like before bed,
like while reading a book or whatever, and John being like,
why are you wearing those glasses?
Like what? What are they for?
And then I don't know, I think of oil pulling, which these
aren't in public. So I don't know what I do in
public, but like even oil pulling in the morning, it's
like I can't have a conversation for 10 minutes.
Like I have to just like mime everything and.
That's different. Yeah, I do that too.
But yeah, it's different. And then, I don't know, I will
say back in the day before, like reading labels, like not having
a glass of wine, like I think that was a big thing when I
stopped drinking, that was a big thing that people were like,
wow, like, why are you not drinking?
What's going on? But now there's such a movement
towards that, like alcohol sales have dipped drastically.
So it is way more readily accepted.
So I don't know. I wish I had a better answer.
No, that's great. I'm sure you'll think of more
things later. Yeah.
OK. What are your biggest?
Pet peeves. Oh man.
Well, the one I will say I have always said my whole life, which
I hope this doesn't offend anybody, but.
It'll offend someone cyclists who think they're.
Cars and I'm like, I can't get by you and you're like stopping
at the red light. I don't know, it's just like the
worst. But I also know maybe you're not
allowed to ride on the sidewalk, but I'm like, the road is for
cars and then. I don't know.
Good one. So that is something I have said
my whole life and I'm not a cyclist so I don't know what
it's like on the other side, but.
The funny thing about these cyclists is you talk to them and
they've all been hit by cars before, but they just keep doing
it like it's normal for them to be hit by cars.
They don't care. Oh, no.
So it's like there's something weird there with cyclists.
And yeah, I agree. I'm sorry.
If you're a cyclist and you have a different perspective, you
can, like, message us and tell us your perspective.
I think it's weird. I think that you should just,
like, maybe hike or something. Yeah.
Oh my gosh, I love that. So that's like my long term,
long time pet peeve. But more recently when I've
realized I think too, it's hitting me harder and it's a
little bit annoying and frustrating because we are so
distracted by our phones that my biggest pet peeve is when we
don't acknowledge the human in front of us.
Like we don't say hi, we don't make eye contact.
We act like you're not even there.
Like what kind of a life is that?
That's that's my new pet peeve. That's like a little bit of a
deeper. That's a heavy one, pet.
Peeve of just like so I'm trying to be way and I'm guilty of that
but like I want to be way more aware of like acknowledging the
human making eye contact. Yeah, it's good.
It's good. Yeah.
Yeah, I have one that's a little bit similar to that, and it's
the. I've talked about this before,
but it's the QR code menus at restaurants where you have to
pull out your phone and scan the QR code to see what they're
offering. I hate that.
I hate scented trash bags and yes you cannot buy them, but if
you go to an Airbnb and they have them, it's horrible.
It's horrible. Like just let the trash smell
bad and then take it out if it's too bad.
We don't have to always like mask these bad smells with more
bad smells. And same goes for like Ubers
that think they have to just infuse the whole thing with
horrible scents and have the stupid Christmas tree like just
clean your car and just have it smell normal.
You don't have to scent it. Not everything has to be
scented. We.
Stayed in an Airbnb a couple weeks ago for John's brothers
birthday. There was a glade plug in in
almost every single outlet and it's a 5 bedroom home.
They're just I had to go around in.
So naive at this point to be still using Glade plug
insurance. I truly, I was like, people
still buy this stuff. Yeah, it's true.
And I think too, when you're not aware, when you're not in this
space, you're not learning these things and adopting these
habits, like you're just, you're just infiltrated with that all
the time that it's like normal. And so I think because we've
removed fragrance so long ago that we're so sensitive to it
now. And for so many people, it's
just, it's what they're used to, you know?
But it's a choice. You're choosing to be naive by
by doing that. Like at this day and age with
the access to information we have, no one should be using
Glade plug insurance anymore. Yeah, I hate that.
Oh yeah, polyester sheets is another one.
And a lot of these things are just things that I notice when
I'm travelling where I'm like, how are we all not past this by
now? So it's a scented trash bags,
It's the polyester sheets, it's the scented hotel lobbies are
another one. The LED, The bright LED lights
in every Airbnb, in every hotel room did.
You hear about Grand Central Station over the holidays and
Bath and Body Works. Horrible.
Yeah, horrible. You don't have to just be
worried about being assaulted by a homeless person at the at
Grand Central Station. You have to be concerned about
being your sense is being assaulted by fragrance being
blasted on you against your will.
That's crazy. Yeah.
A lot of risks there. What's something that you have
felt encouraged by or inspired by lately that you want to share
with our audience? I love this question.
So many things, so many things, but I mean, honestly, just in
the season of life that I'm in coming up on a year of being
married and I think truly I'm still inspired and encouraged
and in awe of God writing my love story.
Like it's like so many decades of like praying in my person and
waiting and trusting and decades of dating and disappointment.
It was so it was the worst dating so, so hard.
But I think like. Regardless of what season you're
in, whatever you're trusting for, praying for, waiting for,
like I always say, John is like my Ephesians 320.
He's my immeasurably more than I could ever ask, dream or
imagine. And it's like, that's what
we're, that's what's on the other side.
And so whatever season you're in, whatever you're trusting
for, like just keep on keeping on cuz the wait will be worth
it. So good, so good.
I love that. OK, mine's not quite as good as
yours, but I so I love Tim and Demi Tebow.
We support their organization. They're amazing people.
And I was listening to Tim Tebow on a podcast recently where he
was talking about the difference between being buried and being
planted and how in the moment, if you're being buried or you're
being planted, it feels like the exact same thing.
And so when we think about like the hard seasons that we go
through and if we can see those hard seasons as like a setup for
something bigger versus like a set back, just having that
perspective shift kind of changes everything.
And there's always going to be fruit that comes from it if we
if we let it happen that way. So I loved that.
And I've just been like hanging on to that lately because just
with our living situation over the last several years, I'm not
going to go in too much detail, but it's felt like set back
after set back after set back. And I've just been trying to see
it as like, OK, what is this setting us up for?
What fruit is going to come of this?
I know something will. And I'm just like holding out
hope for that. I love that analogy so much.
And it just makes me think of when I shattered my heel bone a
couple years ago and I couldn't go to my I couldn't go home
because I couldn't walk for months and I had to go move in
with my mom and my sister and my nephew and I felt displaced.
Like I went on a trip and I never returned home.
And also too like it did feel like such a set back and I felt
like as I was praying through that season, even, it was like
God was like, I'm not displacing you, I'm positioning you.
And I always say I broke my heel and then I met my husband
because of the ripple effect of that season and the connections
I made in the friendships that were built led me to John.
So I love that of like feeling buried and feeling dark and
displaced like you guys in your home, but really God's like
positioning you and setting you up for the fruit and the
abundance that's ahead. Yeah.
Oh, that's such a good example. I love it.
Court, thank you for coming out to the farm.
It's so good to see you again. The best.
I told Courtney before we started recording that this
would probably be like a little like 30-40 minute catch up
conversation. I think we're at like well over
an hour right now. So love to talk about.
Hopefully our audience will enjoy this conversation and
hopefully less time will pass between when we see each other
again. Let's do this in Texas sometime.
Yeah, Let's do it. Thanks, Court.
Thanks, Bethany.