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Doctor Jen, you spent years 
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cancer surgeon. 
What did you believe about 

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breast cancer back then that you
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It was so funny. 
It's a great question. 

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There are so many things that I 
believed to be true for 20 years

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of my practice through training 
up until the time that I left 

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surgery. 
Probably the biggest 1 is that 

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we were taught that breast 
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happenstance, right? 
It's bad luck, or it's genetics,

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or it's something that the 
patient has no control over. 

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And although I hate conspiracy 
theories, I understand why that 

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that belief existed. 
It is because the doctors want 

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to feel as if what they're doing
is the meaningful thing and they

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have to believe in what they're 
doing. 

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So if health is created by the 
patient, if disease is reversed 

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by the patient and what they're 
doing, where does that leave the

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doctor, Right. 
So it's so contradictory to that

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belief system. 
So instead you take all the 

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power away from the individual 
and you tell them that it's your

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genetics and you can't do 
anything about it or that it's 

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just bad luck and something that
happened. 

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And so you have no control, 
right? 

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I'm going to take over control 
and I'm going to give you a 

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surgery or radiation or a drug 
and I'm going to change that for

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you, right? 
And it's so it's this whole 

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transfer of power and it was the
wrong thing. 

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And I did it for a really long 
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And within that system, all the 
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Because if that is how our 
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designed, it's all about symptom
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So we have all of this focus on 
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the problem. 
The tumor is the symptom of the 

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problem. 
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and realize why that tumor is 
there, we're not helping people.

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We're not getting them to 
another place, a better place. 

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We're just taking them across a 
bridge from sick to slightly 

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less sick because you no longer 
have a tumor in your body. 

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But all the inflammation, all 
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them to that point is still 
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Sometimes it's worse. 
So I believed that I was truly 

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helping when I was a breast 
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I really did. 
I couldn't have done it if I 

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didn't believe in what I was 
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But it wasn't until I got my own
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as a patient that I realized 
that what we are doing is so 

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wrong and we're focused on 
completely the wrong thing. 

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And once I had that revelation, 
once I had that experience, it 

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was a bell that I couldn't not 
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And I knew that not only was I 
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also wasn't living my mission, 
my mission, because I always 

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knew that I was put here to 
change the conversation around 

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breast cancer, to change how we 
diagnose breast cancer, how we 

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treat breast cancer, how we 
reverse breast cancer. 

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I knew that I was always meant 
to help millions of women. 

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And so I think that that's why I
got my own diagnosis, so that my

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eyes could be opened. 
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conventional medical space, it 
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It's so hard to understand that.
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everything that you taught that 
you were taught is true. 

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Yeah. 
Was there a single moment within

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that journey for you where your 
faith and conventional cancer 

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care was kind of shattered? 
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unravelingly? 
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So I went into surgery because I
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Her name was Linda Creed. 
She was a singer-songwriter in 

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the 1970s and 1980s, way before 
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And she was beautiful, 
brilliant, larger than life. 

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She was my hero. 
She wrote 54 hits in all, and 

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her most famous song that she 
ever wrote was The Greatest Love

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of All. 
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And Whitney Houston released 
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of 1986. 
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weeks of the top of the charts. 
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person on earth who didn't know 
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And I was 16 years old at the 
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And here is my cousin, the 
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And my cousin never knew what 
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died one month after Whitney 
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Wow. 
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hero died and her life and 
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to my life's purpose. 
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doctor in my family. 
I become a surgeon. 

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I become the first fellowship 
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Philadelphia. 
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plastic surgeon in Pennsylvania 
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for a really long time. 
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career, when I am arguably at 
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probably being one of the most 
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ever met in your life to I can't
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don't have the breath in my 
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So I have this really intense 3 
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those three days find myself 
sitting in the office of my 

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friend and colleague and 
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and all these things that I say 
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hesitation or reservation. 
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at you, believe me, they have 
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And so all I could hear in that 
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that I am a fellowship trained 
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program, despite the fact that I
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conventional medicine. 
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can call it universe and you can
call it whatever higher power 

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you ascribe to. 
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time and space was there's 
something more. 

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Go find it. 
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would die. 
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that, right? 
He was telling me what he really

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believed to be true. 
And I still couldn't unhear that

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voice telling me there's 
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So God is good. 
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myself. 
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myself sitting in a lecture hall
and this tall lanky guy walks on

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the stage. 
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introduces himself as a 
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Now at this point, I'm a doctor 
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I'm still cynical. 
I'm still my Snooty booty self. 

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And all I can think of like, 
there's no such thing as a 

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functional medicine physician. 
What is this quack talking 

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about? 
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sick and I'm there for a reason.
So I checked that big fat ego at

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the door. 
Am I TuneIn? 

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And thank God I did well, 
because what this man would have

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to say over the next two hours 
would completely change how I 

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feel about medicine, how I feel 
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my illness, how I felt about my 
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life. 
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quack is Doctor Mark Hyman. 
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on that day is that what we were
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focused on in conventional 
medicine are the symptoms in the

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area of cancer. 
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the tumor is not the problem, 
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is there, why that tumor is 
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there, what's driving it, then 
how are we ever going to get 

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better? 
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system, really the only way to 
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Our conventional medical system 
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Unless you fail, unless you get 
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Hospitals don't get paid, 
pharmaceutical companies don't 

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make any money. 
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you fail. 
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They're going to drive us 
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Yeah, it's all set up for the 
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Set up for that. 
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set up for that. 
Our food system is set up for 

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that. 
Everything is set up for that. 

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And we don't reward health. 
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And I did not know that. 
I did not recognize that. 

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And now in in retrospect, it's 
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that system, you can't see it. 
Well, good for you for having an

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open mind. 
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have just shut down and decided 
to not pay attention in that 

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seminar like you were 
mentioning. 

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But you were open enough to hear
a different perspective that was

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the opposite from everything 
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practiced. 
And that takes a lot of courage.

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It does. 
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I did spend the next three years
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functional medicine because even
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we learn about in functional 
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medical school, in our first 
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And then we're told forget all 
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Like we learn all of the 
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the Physiology and then we say, 
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Here are the symptoms. 
Put them together, give people a

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diagnosis, and then prescribe, 
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a surgery, prescribe a 
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And that is what embodies the 
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And unless you have some kind of
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you never look outside. 
And the people that are in my 

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space now, the people that are 
doing what I do now, they're 

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almost always hanging to 
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They either got their own 
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parents suffer or their siblings
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suffer. 
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couldn't find them inside of the
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because they don't exist inside 
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world. 
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unfortunately. 
It's intentional. 

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The pharmaceutical companies 
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school curriculum and they don't
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that this is a business, yes. 
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it than. 
Business very big. 

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Yeah, and it's not about helping
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and optimized version of 
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It's about making money. 
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mean, if you think about it in 
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that food is meth, right? 
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your biggest exposure to the 
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exposure to the outside world is
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mouth, right. 
And what we drink, 

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environmental, what we breathe, 
what we put on our skin. 

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Yeah. 
But 80% of our exposure to the 

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outside world is through what we
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And as physicians. 
And I went to one of the top 

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medical schools in the country. 
As physicians, we are given 15 

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hours worth of training, 15 
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medical school, and then never 
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And nutrition. 
That's it. 15 hours worth of 

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nutrition. 
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Training in our first year of 
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again. 
Never. 

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Then Speaking of money making 
industries, October is Breast 

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Cancer Awareness Month and we 
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ribbons and marches and Save the
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But what have we actually 
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Nothing. 
We've raised a fortune. 

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We've raised a lot of money to 
feed the already greedy, harmful

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system, Right? 
Because we don't need another 

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drug there. 
Another drug is not saving us, 

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and that's another drug people 
never saving us. 

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I don't think a lot of people 

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understand that, that really 
these organizations, they're 

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raising money purely to fund new
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Is that correct? 
Yes, that's correct. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, New drugs, new devices. 

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Yeah. 
And just think about it 

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logically, what we talked about 
before, there's no way to get 

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into the system without getting 
sick without failing, right? 

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And the system does not want you
healthy because it doesn't help 

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them. 
So why would they invent a cure 

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for cancer? 
They're never inventing a cure 

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for cancer. 
They want you as a customer. 

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And so they may invent things 
that prolong your existence. 

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Although most of those, most of 
those things are very, very 

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toxic and the life that people 
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drugs is very compromised. 
But they're not, they're not 

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creating cures. 
They're. 

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Creating. 
Customers, they're a business. 

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They are a business. 
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is that, you know, then we know 
what builds health. 

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What builds health is good food 
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outside and, and having 
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relationships and living with 
purpose and prioritizing sleep 

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and living in circadian rhythm, 
right? 

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That's what builds health. 
But you can't, you can't 

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trademark any of that. 
Like, there's no company that 

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can make money off of you being 
in the sunshine. 

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Yeah. 
Or off of new eating Whole Foods

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or even, you know, when we think
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and how the FDA is now getting 
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all of it, this is coming from 
the Pharmaceutical industry 

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because you can't trademark a 
molecule of nature. 

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mushroom, which are included in 
cancer protocols all around the 

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world in the world, are not 
included in the United States 

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because you can't trademark a 
molecule of nature. 

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Or. 
Even, you know, we talk about 

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hormones being bad and hormones 
causing cancer. 

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That whole narrative is built 
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bioidentical hormones, you 
can't, you can't trademark them.

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So the the companies can't make 
any money off of them so they 

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call them bad and then create 
these synthetic hormones, stuff 

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like tamoxifen call that good 
and prescribe it to people with 

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cancer. 
But those all those synthetic 

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hormone like substances cause 
cancer. 

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Tamoxifen, the drug given very, 
very commonly to women who have 

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premenopausal rumor positive 
breast cancer that that drug 

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causes cancer. 
What does it do, actually? 

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there's lots of things that 
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melatonin. 
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melatonin because it's a 
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Olin, like green tea, like 
genistein, which we find in soy.

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So there are a whole bunch of 
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that same receptor. 
So instead of taking tamoxifen, 

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which actually causes cancer, 
you instead can eat all of these

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foods that actually block that 
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your health and prevent cancer 
or prevent recurrence. 

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That's fascinating. 
Yes, Yeah. 

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And we were talk. 
Why aren't we talking about 

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that, right? 
Right. 

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I mean, it just makes sense when
you say it like these things 

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can't be patented, trademarked. 
And so we're going to demonize 

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these natural, I don't know what
you would call them, natural 

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cures natural, you know, health 
boosting compounds and instead 

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create a synthetic version, 
right, That isn't the same, but 

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it can be profited from. 
And that's what they prescribe. 

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Yes. 
Yeah. 

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I mean, another thing that I 
think about as we're out here in

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beautiful wine country is 
resveratrol. 

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Resveratrol is one of those 
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receptor and prevents breast 
cancer, prevents metastasis, 

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prevents recurrence, but you 
can't trademark a molecule of 

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nature. 
Do you recommend people get 

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resveratrol from drinking red 
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form? 
I do recommend taking an 

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isolated form only because the 
alcohol's a problem. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
It's a toxin. 

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It's hard to get around that. 
So we now have more awareness 

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about breast cancer than ever 
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are continuing to steadily rise.
So what's missing from the 

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conversation? 
Yeah. 

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So first of all, we are not 
living on our mother's earth, 

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We're not living on our 
grandmother's earth. 

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We're not living on anything 
that even resembles that. 

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And the number of toxins that we
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exponentially more than ever 
before. 

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And that's definitely 
contributing to breast cancer 

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incidence and breast cancer 
diagnosis. 

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But I think I'm really curious 
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the number of women that die 
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that number is steady. 
That number has not materially 

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changed. 
And this is the biggest problem.

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We are looking too hard for 
breast cancer. 

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And that may seem a little 
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Breast cancer, prostate cancer, 

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Other chronic conditions like 
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Diabetes, well, I think we 
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but maybe that's not a great, 
great example. 

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But these other examples that 
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lowering the threshold again and
again and again for who meets 

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criteria for treatment. 
And it's only for the purpose of

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treating more people. 
We are not helping more people 

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when we lower that cholesterol 
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statins. 
We're not saving lives. 

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We're not saving people from 
heart attacks. 

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And in fact, if you go on a 
statin, we're 63% more likely to

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get diabetes. 
While we are not helping people 

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with statins, if you lower the 
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pressure and put more people on 
high hypertensive medication, 

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you're going to have more people
with hypotension and falls and 

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complications as a result of 
doing that. 

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We're like helping anyone with 
that. 

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That's. 
Really interesting because early

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detection is really celebrated 
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world. 
But you're saying and, and, and 

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I'm going to kind of try to give
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everyone has cancer cells, 
correct? 

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That's correct. 
And so we're detecting things 

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that have not yet developed into
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needs to be treated. 
That's exactly and administering

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these drugs that are actually 
harming people when you're not 

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necessary. 
Yes, that's exactly right. 

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So we are over diagnosing and 
over treating and we're doing 

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that with great frequency. 20 to
30% of the breast cancer 

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diagnosis every single year 
don't need to be made. 

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Wow. 
And just to put that in 

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perspective, we diagnosed 
300,000 women last year with 

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breast cancer. 
If 20 to 30% of them would have 

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never developed the disease, we 
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women last year that were 
unnecessarily diagnosed with and

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treated for breast cancer. 
That's a lot of money for 

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pharmaceutical. 
Company a lot of money for 

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pharmaceutical companies, for 
hospitals, for cancer programs, 

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which are the most profitable 
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their cancer program. 
And what do you do to these 

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women? 
You materially change the rest 

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of their life. 
That is a bell. 

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You cannot unring for them and 
they are suffering because you 

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take a woman and you treat her 
for breast cancer using the 

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standard treatments because 
people are so afraid to not use 

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the standard treatments. 
So they have surgery and they 

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have radiation and they go on 
these drugs for five years. 

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And what happens to them because
the medical oncologist don't 

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think about them after five 
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For five years they're very 
focused on them, but after five 

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years they don't think about 
them. 

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And where do we leave these 
women as we robbed them of their

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estrogen after five years? 
We tell them you should be 

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grateful to be alive, and they 
are grateful. 

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But it is very hard to feel 
grateful when you can't sleep, 

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you can't think, you're 
depressed, you're anxious, 

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you've gained weight, your 
breasts are deformed or absent, 

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your joints ache, your bones 
ache, your skin is dry, your 

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hair is dry, everything is dry, 
sex is unwanted, painful, you 

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have no libido, your 
relationship is suffering or 

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absent. 
It is not easy to feel grateful 

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when all of this is happening. 
And yet this is how we are 

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leaving most women after we 
treat them for breast cancer. 

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Now, listen, if they have 
aggressive disease and they need

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this treatment, absolutely, 
absolutely. 

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I am not throwing the baby out 
with the bathwater. 

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I am not saying that breast 
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It is, but for a small 
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Most of the women that we treat 
for breast cancer are either 

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completely or partially 
overtreated, and we are giving 

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them treatments that materially 
change the rest of their lives 

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when the primary disease would 
have never changed rest of their

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lives. 
We are doing the wrong thing and

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we are doing it with great 
frequency. 

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There are 4 million breast 
cancer survivors alive in the 

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United States right now, and a 
million of them never needed to 

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be diagnosed. 
A million women. 

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And there's offering for it. 
Yes, we are doing the wrong 

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thing. 
Let's talk about mammograms 

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because so many women view this 
as a non negotiable life saving 

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tool. 
But what are we missing when we 

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think about mammograms? 
Yeah, So remember that this has 

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been one of the greatest ad 
campaigns that ever existed, 

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that ever existed, right? 
Everyone believes that 

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mammograms save lives. 
I'm not just talking about lay 

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people. 
I'm talking about professionals.

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I'm talking about breast 
imagers, radiologists, all 

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doctors of all kinds, 
practitioners of all kinds. 

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They believe that mammograms 
save lives. 

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And the reason that they believe
that is because it has been so 

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drilled into us from the time 
that I was a medical student 

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through all through my training.
Mammograms save lives. 

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They say it again and again and 
again, so much so that no one 

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looks your data. 
And this has literally become an

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issue of morality rather than an
issue of science because the 

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facts are that mammograms do not
save lives. 

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And in fact, if you look at the 
ramifications of mammograms, 

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they actually cost lives. 
What are some of the 

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ramifications? 
So if you look at the real data,

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if you screen 2000 women over 10
years, you will potentially save

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one life. 
Maybe you will cause 10 to 20 

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women to be diagnosed with and 
treated for a disease that would

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have never affected them in 
their lifetime. 

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You will cause 100 to 200 women 
to have studies that they don't 

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need, biopsies that they don't 
need. 

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And if you look at the 
population over over time, 

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women, if you screen them every 
year for 10 years, 50% of them 

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will be called back for 
additional studies, 50%. 

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So every mammogram that you get 
is more radiation. 

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Now lots of times people say, 
well, there's radiation 

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everywhere. 
There's background radiation. 

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And you don't tell people not to
go to the airport. 

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You don't tell people to not go 
on a plane. 

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And that's true. 
I don't tell people not to go on

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an air to on an airplane or to 
the airport or I think we should

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try to avoid as much radiation 
as we can. 

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But there is a vast difference 
between the background radiation

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that you get from sunlight or 
going to the airport or going on

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an airplane, and the focused 
cone down radiation that you get

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to the traumatized tissues of 
the breast. 

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Horse, I don't care. 
If your mammogram hurt you or 

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not, I mean, like, I get these 
these messages from these tough 

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women. 
Oh, mammograms don't hurt. 

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Well, the bottom line is that 
they are applying anywhere from 

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20 to 50 lbs of pressure to your
breast. 

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So if you're tough and that 
doesn't hurt you, God bless you.

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I don't like it. 
Sounds very uncomfortable, 

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right? 
I've never had one. 

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Very uncomfortable. 
So there's no doubt that we are 

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radiating the traumatized 
tissues of the breast. 

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And there is no argument 
radiation causes cancer. 

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People all the time to say, 
where's your proof that 

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mammograms cause cancer? 
And I'm like, I'm sorry, where's

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my proof that radiation causes 
cancer? 

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Really. 
You want me to prove that? 

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I Because that's been done. 
Yeah, like I don't need to prove

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that radiation causes cancer. 
It's that is a fact, right? 

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And yet we ignore it because 
we've created this issue of 

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morality around mammogram. 
Yeah, like you're doing people a

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disservice and and you don't 
want them to live basically. 

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And yes, you're not willing to 
do this for them, or if you're 

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not willing to do this for 
yourself. 

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So this is where the mammogram 
save lives and early detection 

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saves lives. 
But in reality, the only thing 

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that early detection has done is
create more customers because 

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the women who are going to have 
aggressive disease are not 

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they're not being picked up on 
mammogram. 

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These women have what we call 
interval cancers where they, 

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they are the ones that had a 
normal mammogram 3 months ago 

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and all the sudden they feel a 
lump in their breast, right? 

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Or what seems like all of a 
sudden these aggressive cancers,

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we're not changing anything for 
them by screening with 

461
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,680
mammogram. 
And the only thing that we are 

462
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,720
doing by screening with 
mammogram is creating more 

463
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,040
disease or creating some of it 
with the radiation. 

464
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:42,560
And we are picking up these 
lesions that would have never 

465
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:47,880
developed into clinical disease.
And we have the studies to prove

466
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,800
that mammograms don't save 
lives. 

467
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,560
Each big study that is done 
proves this time and time again.

468
00:29:54,960 --> 00:30:00,400
The Swedish study 600,000 women 
300,000 spring with mammogram 

469
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,800
300,000 just get self at breast 
examination. 

470
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,120
Because it's universal 
healthcare. 

471
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,920
Everyone has the same access to 
care. 

472
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,840
Everyone has the same kind of 
care, the same exact number of 

473
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,040
women die of breast cancer in 
each group, and the only 

474
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,080
difference is that if you use 
mammogram to screen, you will 

475
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,840
diagnose 20 to 30% more breast 
cancers. 

476
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,240
Same exact thing in the Canadian
breast cancer screening study, 

477
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,400
except now we're looking at 
young women, looking at women 40

478
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,640
to 59, because maybe we're not 
helping older women, but maybe 

479
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,800
we're helping younger women. 
So look at the data. 

480
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,800
And when you look at the data, 
90,000 women participated in the

481
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,200
study. 
Again, universal healthcare. 

482
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,400
So everyone has the same access 
to care. 

483
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,880
Everyone gets the same kind of 
care. 

484
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:56,400
The 45,000 get screened with 
mammogram, 45,000 just get self 

485
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,240
breast examination or 
examination with their doctor. 

486
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,960
Every year the same exact 
findings, the same exact number 

487
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,880
of women die of breast cancer in
each group, and the only 

488
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,840
difference is if you use 
mammogram to screen, you're 

489
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,600
gotten going to diagnose 20 to 
30% more cancers. 

490
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,320
Wow. 
And despite this information, 

491
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,920
despite this data, this is 
something that you get a ton of 

492
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,560
pushback for talking about a. 
Ton why are people so resistant?

493
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,880
To hearing this information. 
Because it becomes an issue of 

494
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,920
morality, right? 
And people genuinely believe I, 

495
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,960
I get messages every single day.
Mammogram saved my life. 

496
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,520
They've been so conditioned to 
believe that if it was found on 

497
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,360
the mammogram, that mammogram 
saved their life. 

498
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,320
But the truth is that unless you
present with clinical disease, 

499
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,320
that mammogram did not save your
life. 

500
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,760
And in fact, that mammogram 
might have been the reason why 

501
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,640
you got diagnosed with breast 
cancer at all. 

502
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:02,240
Because for for 20 to 30% of 
these women that get diagnosed 

503
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,720
with mammogram, they would have 
never developed clinical disease

504
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,760
ever. 
That's wild. 

505
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,400
And you mentioned biopsies 
earlier. 

506
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,640
I've heard this idea that tumors
are actually the body's way of 

507
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,040
kind of containing cancer to 1 
area. 

508
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,680
And if we disturb the tumor with
a biopsy or maybe even with 

509
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:27,040
surgery, that we are letting 
these cancer cells spread 

510
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,440
unnecessarily. 
I don't even remember where I 

511
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,280
heard that, but is there any 
truth to that? 

512
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:37,760
So there is some truth to that 
for some cancers and I do not 

513
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:42,720
believe that with rare 
exception, if you have, if you 

514
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,760
have a, a different kind of 
cancer called an angiosarcoma of

515
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,640
the breast, you you cannot 
biopsy that, you cannot violate 

516
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,800
that. 
And there are different kind of 

517
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,520
cancers like renal cell 
carcinoma, carcinoma that you 

518
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,600
would get in your kidney, 
different sarcomas. 

519
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:06,840
These are cancers that you get 
in the bone or the muscle, 

520
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,480
things like that. 
Those you really should not 

521
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,800
violate because they spread very
easily in the bloodstream for 

522
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,600
most breast cancers, for most 
one of the mill breast cancers, 

523
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:24,240
I do not believe that biopsy 
creates metastasis and I don't 

524
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,960
think that there is any, any 
information that supports 

525
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:35,040
biopsying breast cancer causing 
metastasis. 

526
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,880
And that's because if we look at
the survival numbers for breast 

527
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:45,680
cancer, most of these bread, all
of them have undergone biopsy, 

528
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,280
right. 
There would have been no other 

529
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,000
way for us to know that they had
breast cancer and most breast 

530
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:56,360
cancer is completely survivable.
So if biopsies really caused 

531
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:01,480
metastasis, we we wouldn't have 
the survival numbers that we 

532
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:02,280
have. 
Yeah. 

533
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,160
And the reason that our survival
numbers look so good and we 

534
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,560
spend so much time, like patting
ourselves on the back about it 

535
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,440
is because we're diagnosing all 
of these women, 60 to 90,000 

536
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,080
women every year that didn't 
even need that diagnosis. 

537
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:19,920
They hadn't developed the full 
blown disease. 

538
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,159
And they wouldn't develop the 
full blown disease. 

539
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,320
So it's like, and they don't 
really have a problem, but we'll

540
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,280
treat you for it and then take 
credit. 

541
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,480
We like, we changed your life 
and we did change your life, but

542
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,480
not for the better rights. 
And even Otis Brawley, who is 

543
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:39,080
the former head of the American 
Cancer Society, said that 

544
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:44,840
mammogram does not do what it 
had set out and intended to do. 

545
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,400
And women who believe that they 
were helped by mammogram were 

546
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:54,840
actually hurt by mammogram. 
There is absolutely no benefit 

547
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,560
to using mammogram for screening
00. 

548
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,120
Now, when they set out on the 
mammographic screening program, 

549
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,680
the intention was that it would 
save lives and save grass. 

550
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,640
And so, you know, I have always 
said even if it doesn't save 

551
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,400
lives, but it does save wrap. 
That's a pretty noble 'cause, 

552
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,600
right? 
Like if we're saving brass, 

553
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,000
that's worthwhile. 
Well, when you look at the data,

554
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,880
when you use mammogram to 
screen, the mastectomy rate only

555
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,400
goes up by 20%. 
So we're not saving lives. 

556
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,720
We're not saving breasts. 
What are we doing? 

557
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,320
We're torturing women for 
nothing. 

558
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,280
Well, not for nothing. 
We're feeding system. 

559
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,120
We're being cut something. 
Yeah. 

560
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,880
Tell. 
Tell us about QT imaging. 

561
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,080
Yeah. 
What sets QT imaging apart in 

562
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,320
terms of accuracy and safety? 
Yeah. 

563
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,200
So I think the keyword that you 
said there was safety. 

564
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,400
And this is my main message, 
this is the soapbox that I will 

565
00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:00,800
not get off of. 
We are talking about screening. 

566
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,160
We are talking about a healthy 
population. 

567
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,120
We are talking about women who 
we have no reason to believe 

568
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,960
that they have disease. 
How can we ethically, how can we

569
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,640
morally expose these women to 
harms? 

570
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,800
How can we expose them to 
radiation? 

571
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,240
How? 
How can we expose them to 

572
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:25,840
gadolinium I mean? 
That what is gadolinium? 

573
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,160
That. 
It's a heavy metal that's used 

574
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,240
in the process of screening for 
breast cancer with MRI. 

575
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:33,800
OK. 
And. 

576
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,280
And that's another form of 
screening that's recommended 

577
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,040
within the it's. 
Currently, the gold standard for

578
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,080
women with dense breasts for 
women who have high risk for 

579
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,240
women with breast implants do 
women with. 

580
00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:47,880
Dense breasts have a more like, 
are they more likely to develop 

581
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:52,000
breast cancer? 
So it depends where they are in 

582
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,240
their life. 
If you are premenopausal. 

583
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:59,720
If you are of childbearing age, 
you are supposed to have dense 

584
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:02,160
breasts. 
Your breasts are prepared to 

585
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,560
feed a child. 
That's what they're supposed to 

586
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,280
have. 
So when you look at the breast, 

587
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:10,000
it is made-up of four tissues. 
It's made-up of glandular 

588
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,400
tissue, the milk producing 
tissue that that that generates 

589
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,640
milk and that you use to feed 
your child. 

590
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,080
It's made-up of fat. 
It's made-up of connective 

591
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,720
tissue that kind of holds 
everything together. 

592
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,800
And that's all in a skin 
envelope. 

593
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:30,040
And when you are premenopausal, 
you are supposed to have an 

594
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,880
abundance of glandular tissue. 
You're supposed to have dense 

595
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,400
breasts. 
That is normal. 

596
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,440
So it makes me insane when they 
tell a 40 year old that she has 

597
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,560
dense breasts like it's a bad 
thing. 

598
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,800
No Duff, of course she has dense
breasts. 

599
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,760
She's supposed to have dense 
breasts. 

600
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,320
That's a good thing. 
The problem happens when women 

601
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,480
go through menopause and they 
have less estrogen and they get 

602
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:01,400
less estrogen stimulation. 
Their breast tissue should 

603
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:06,280
undergo progression and we 
should start to see year after 

604
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:11,520
year less breast density. 
When we don't, it's because 

605
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,480
there's a lot of inflammation 
there that is a risk factor for 

606
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,640
breast cancer. 
And it's these women that have 

607
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:25,240
that have increasing breast 
density after childbirth or 

608
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:29,240
even, you know, as years go on, 
they have increasing breast 

609
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:31,560
density. 
These are women that are at 

610
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,000
higher risk for breast cancer, 
that's for sure true, but it's 

611
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,520
not the density of their 
breasts, it's the inflammation 

612
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,800
that's driving that. 
Yeah, that makes sense. 

613
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,240
OK. 
I got us off track a little bit,

614
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,760
but I want to hear more about 
the the QTA imaging story. 

615
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,120
So. 
My thing is, we cannot expose 

616
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:53,400
healthy tissue to toxins, right?
Can expose them to radiation, 

617
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,240
can't expose them to gadolinium.
It's the wrong thing to do. 

618
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,800
So how do we safely screen for 
breast cancer? 

619
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,440
I'm so glad you asked. 
First of all, I think that 

620
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,160
everyone should be doing breast,
self self breast examination. 

621
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,960
No one is ever going to know you
better than you knew yourself. 

622
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,520
And news flash, every single 
woman thinks her breasts are 

623
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,680
lumpy. 
We just need to own our lumps. 

624
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,760
Everyone needs to own their 
lumps, right? 

625
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,880
It needs to know what your 
breasts feel like when they're 

626
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,520
normal so that you can know when
there's been a change and you 

627
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,560
can recognize a change. 
And if there's been a change, 

628
00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:30,800
that is when you go to your 
doctor and say, hey, doc, be it,

629
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,520
this doesn't feel like my 
breast. 

630
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,200
I know what my breast feels 
like. 

631
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,200
This is not normal. 
I have pain or I have dimpling 

632
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,960
or I have nipple discharge or I 
have whatever I have. 

633
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,560
I have a lump, right? 
And then you can have it 

634
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,040
investigated. 
And incidentally, that is not 

635
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,120
screening, right? 
Then you're talking about 

636
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,960
diagnostic, but everyone should 
be doing self breast examination

637
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,280
once a month. 
You don't need to examine your 

638
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,320
breasts every day. 
We don't need to be obsessed 

639
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,920
about it once a month. 
If you are pre menopausal, 

640
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:02,240
you're going to do it on day 
seven of your cycle because 

641
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:04,920
that's when your breasts are the
least stimulated. 

642
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,600
And if you're post menopausal, 
feel them on the 1st or whenever

643
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:09,920
you're going to remember to do 
it. 

644
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,720
Set an alarm, just do it right. 
Put it on your calendar once a 

645
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:16,080
month. 
OK then. 

646
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,840
Everyone should be doing the 
Aria test. 

647
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:24,200
This is the tears test. 
This is a simple, inexpensive at

648
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:29,880
home test that I truly believe 
will be the determination in the

649
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,520
future of who does and who does 
not get imaging. 

650
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:37,080
It takes. 
It's a small piece of paper they

651
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,040
put in the corner of your eye. 
close your eye for 5 minutes. 

652
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,680
Send that paper off to the 
company. 

653
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,440
A week and a half later you get 
the result. 

654
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,560
It's either negative or you have
a clinically positive result. 

655
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:51,680
Now what it's looking for are 
two inflammatory proteins, the 

656
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:56,960
S100A8 and S100A9 proteins that 
when they are found at high 

657
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,640
levels together, it is highly 
predictive of breast cancer. 

658
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:06,720
In fact, when if you have a 
clinically positive result if 

659
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:11,280
you have breast cancer, this 
test will pick it up 93% of the 

660
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:12,520
time. 
I've never heard of. 

661
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,080
This way better than any 
imaging. 

662
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:19,920
So the company recommends that 
women over 30 do this test every

663
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,680
year and it is a real time 
biologic assessment of your risk

664
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:29,400
for breast cancer. 
Now the sensitivity of that test

665
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,760
is a little lower. 
The sensitivity is around 58%, 

666
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,400
which means that 42% of the 
time, women without breast 

667
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,440
cancer will have a positive 
result on this test. 

668
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,680
And does it just screen for 
breast cancer? 

669
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,880
OK. 
Yes, it only screens for breast 

670
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,880
cancer because these proteins 
are specific for breast cancer. 

671
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:53,400
So 42% of the time, if you don't
have breast cancer, you will 

672
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:58,960
have a positive result here. 
I want to be clear, there are no

673
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:03,680
false positives of this test 
because if you have a clinically

674
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,720
significant result, even if you 
have imaging right now and you 

675
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:13,680
have no radiologic evidence of 
breast cancer, you have the 

676
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,320
inflammatory precursors to 
breast cancer. 

677
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:22,920
And if we did nothing, 11% of 
these women in six months will 

678
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,840
present with clinical disease. 
Wow. 

679
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:31,600
So. 42% don't actually have 
cancer at the time of the test, 

680
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,840
but they have the markers, the 
precursors for it, and 11% of 

681
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,280
that 42% will go on to develop 
it. 

682
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,600
Yes, in the next 6 months. 
Wow. 

683
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,560
So what you have here is 
opportunity. 

684
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:50,160
So you have the opportunity here
to actually prevent the disease.

685
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,920
And I think that that is 
amazing. 

686
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,400
I mean, when have we ever had 
this opportunity? 

687
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,800
Before. 
To like, have a telescope and 

688
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,320
look, this is what's in your 
future, but you have the 

689
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,480
opportunity now to change that. 
Yeah. 

690
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,960
I mean, it really puts the 
responsibility back on the 

691
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,280
human, on the patient to know 
their body and which I think is 

692
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,720
really empowering. 
Yeah, I think that's how it 

693
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,280
should be. 
So much more power than we 

694
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:16,920
think. 
Right. 

695
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,440
It's like, yeah, it's just an 
opportunity to change this 

696
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,880
before or it develops into 
something catastrophic. 

697
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,280
Yes, yeah. 
But it's so unlike that 

698
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,680
conventional medical system, 
which is let's wait till you get

699
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,040
sick. 
Yeah, right. 

700
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,680
So the self breast examinations 
along with the eye test. 

701
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:38,440
Which is what was it called the 
Aria test AURIA dot care. 

702
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:39,440
OK. 
And that's something. 

703
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,120
Those are things everyone should
just be doing. 

704
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,520
Everyone should be non invasive 
inexpensive. 

705
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:50,240
If you use my code, Doctor Jen 
20DR JENN 20, you'll get 20% off

706
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:52,400
the test. 
Very, very affordable. 

707
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,000
So that is like everyone is 
doing that. 

708
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:02,920
Then if you have a clinically 
positive Aria test or we've just

709
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,240
been so conditioned to get 
imaging right, it's what we're 

710
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:09,120
taught. 
Early detection is big, right? 

711
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:17,000
So for women who choose to get 
imaging, I just want you to be 

712
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,840
safe. 
I just don't want any harm to 

713
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,920
come to you. 
And so the imaging that I 

714
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:28,680
recommend, it's called QT and I 
have imaging centers which use 

715
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,320
this imaging along with the exam
and Aria. 

716
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:38,120
And so at my centers, Perfection
Imaging, we are using this 

717
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:44,480
technology that uses sound waves
transmitted to a water bath to 

718
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,880
create a true 3D reconstruction 
of the rest without pain, 

719
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,800
without compression, without 
radiation. 

720
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:58,040
So we are taking the fear, the 
pain, the trauma out of breast 

721
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:03,120
cancer screening and replacing 
it with facts, with loving 

722
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:08,120
kindness and with caring. 
Because I don't think that you 

723
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:13,640
should be hurt or punished or 
endangered because you're trying

724
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,400
to do the right thing. 
I mean, if you're screening, 

725
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:17,960
you're trying to do the right 
thing. 

726
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,080
So let's help these women do the
right thing. 

727
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,320
So I only have two centers open 
in the United States right now, 

728
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,480
but I'm opening 50 over the next
five years because I want to 

729
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,760
make sure that every woman who 
wants access to this technology 

730
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:37,440
gets access to this technology. 
So is this something that is 

731
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,560
that only you are offering 
currently or why aren't more 

732
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,040
people offering this? 
Is it hard to get fined? 

733
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,320
I mean, I know soon it will be 
more accessible with these 50 

734
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,720
centers that. 
Will be more and there are some 

735
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:54,800
hospital systems that are 
adopting it, but it's been very 

736
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,560
slow to adopt for several 
reasons. 

737
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,320
First of all, I'm sure you've 
noticed that medicine doesn't 

738
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:07,160
change so fast Yeah right. 
It it, it generally takes 20 

739
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,440
years to change practice 
guidelines. 20 years, right? 

740
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,680
That's how behind we are. 
Yeah, if you think about the 

741
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,560
rate. 
Of 20 years. 

742
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,320
Technology information like 
increases so quickly 20 years is

743
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,680
like we're so. 
Behind, but I mean, look, we are

744
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,120
still practicing under the 
guidelines of the Women's Health

745
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:30,960
Initiative, who in 2003 said 
that hormones cause breast 

746
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,000
cancer, right? 
And we're still practicing under

747
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,800
those guidelines, even though 
the papers has been retracted. 

748
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:43,280
There's overwhelming data that 
not only are hormones, not only 

749
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,240
do they not 'cause breast 
cancer, but they're actually 

750
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:48,880
protective. 
The bioidentical hormone. 

751
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:54,720
Yes, but even the conjugated 
equine estrogen that was used in

752
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:57,880
that study was found to be 
protective against breast 

753
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,280
cancer. 
So we medicine is way behind. 

754
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,120
It does not move fast. 
Part of that is probably a good 

755
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,440
thing because we just had a 
whole disaster where we put 

756
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,440
something on the market without 
researching in and we hurt 

757
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,400
millions and millions and 
millions and millions and 

758
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,520
millions of people. 
So under normal circumstances, 

759
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,840
it's probably good that it 
doesn't move that fast. 

760
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:27,240
But QT is FDA cleared and the 
difference between FDA cleared 

761
00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:31,880
and FDA approved is devices get 
cleared and drugs get approved. 

762
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,520
OK, So people are people say Oh 
well it's cleared, but it's not 

763
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,520
approved. 
Yes, that's true. 

764
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,560
And it will never be approved 
because it's not a drug. 

765
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,320
Yeah, right. 
Different terminology and it's 

766
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:47,960
not a treatment, right. 
It's a screening tool that that 

767
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,960
I believe should be used in 
conjunction with other screening

768
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,400
tools. 
I don't believe in doing 

769
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:57,840
standalone anything. 
So part of the reason for the 

770
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,120
lack of adoption is medicine is 
slow. 

771
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,520
Part of the reason is that think
about all of these breast cancer

772
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,360
screening programs and how 
invested they are in their 

773
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,880
mammogram program in because you
know those mammogram machines 

774
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:20,760
cost nearly $1,000,000 in their 
MRI and those Mr. is cost 

775
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,880
between 1 1/2 and $3,000,000 
each, right? 

776
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,280
So they have a lot of money to 
recover to pay for these 

777
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,960
machines. 
And beyond that the radiologists

778
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:35,760
are very happy with what they're
doing and getting paid to read 

779
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:41,320
123 and four tests. 
They don't really want to trade 

780
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:49,240
that in for for one test, right.
And lastly, they have to train. 

781
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,480
They have it's it's not it's not
intuitive. 

782
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,800
So in order to read QT, you have
to go back and train. 

783
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,400
And I've heard radiologist say 
I've looked at those images, 

784
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,480
they're blurry. 
They're this, they're that, yes.

785
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,400
If you're trying to look at them
on your standard reader, there 

786
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:13,120
are specific, there's specific 
equipment, there's specific 

787
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:17,600
readers for GT. 
So they have to go train. 

788
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,680
They have new, they they need 
new equipment. 

789
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:25,240
It's not AO we'll we're just 
going to start to read this. 

790
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,560
It's a totally different system,
which I believe is part of the 

791
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,200
downfall. 
I think it should have been 

792
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,920
built on the conventional 
platform. 

793
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,880
I think that that would have led
to earlier adoption, but it is 

794
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,480
what it is. 
There are very, very, very major

795
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,680
hospital systems which have 
adopted it. 

796
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,960
The world is going to be a far 
different place this time next 

797
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:51,720
year because of these very major
hospital systems that have 

798
00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:55,240
adopted it. 
But in the meantime, I'm not 

799
00:49:55,240 --> 00:50:01,520
letting it stop me. 
People will start to adopt it. 

800
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,600
Change is coming, Change is 
happening. 

801
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,560
And in the meantime, I'm doing 
what I know is right. 

802
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,920
And I very much feel called to 
this. 

803
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,960
And even if I didn't have to 
tea, I would feel the way that I

804
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:20,160
feel about mammogram and about 
mammographic screening, because 

805
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,240
I don't believe that anyone 
should ever use mammogram for 

806
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:29,240
screening. 
But now I have the Aria test, I 

807
00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:34,680
have QT, and I feel so justified
in standing on this soapbox 

808
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,240
saying what I say. 
Yeah. 

809
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:38,560
There's other options that 
aren't harmful. 

810
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,680
That are 100% safe, 100% 
painless. 

811
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:47,840
We can completely change what 
breast cancer screening looks 

812
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,280
like, what it feels like. 
We can completely change the 

813
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,760
experience and I am. 
That's amazing. 

814
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,800
I am forever changing how we 
screen for breast cancer. 

815
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,080
Now, I want to be clear, I am 
not saying that no one will 

816
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,160
never ever have a mammogram 
again. 

817
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,000
I'm not saying that because if 
you have a lump in your breast, 

818
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:10,160
if you have a symptom like 
nipple discharge or nipple 

819
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:14,120
retraction or some other symptom
that is suspicious for breast 

820
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,680
cancer, you're going to get a 
mammogram and an ultrasound and 

821
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:22,120
maybe an MRI, right? 
Because that's the language that

822
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,560
the surgeon speak. 
That's the language that the 

823
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,920
that conventional medicine 
speaks. 

824
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,520
And you won't be able to get 
help without doing those 

825
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:36,160
standard tests. 
So I have a bundle that will 

826
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:40,080
help protect you against 
radiation that has all of these 

827
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:44,640
beautiful antioxidants in it. 
And so you're, you'll take that 

828
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,080
or I have a bundle that will 
protect you against absorbing 

829
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,960
the gadolinium if you need an 
MRI and all of them can be found

830
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:56,280
on my website, Real Health MD. 
But in the meantime, if that 

831
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:00,240
diagnostic study is going to 
allow you to get help, get help,

832
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:02,840
right? 
I am not saying you're never 

833
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,440
going to have another one of 
those studies. 

834
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:10,360
I am saying that we have to have
to have to protect the screening

835
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,680
population. 
We have to stop over imaging, we

836
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,360
have to stop over diagnosing and
we have to stop over treating. 

837
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,240
What about thermography? 
I've heard this talked about a 

838
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:23,720
lot as an alternative to 
mammograms to mammograms. 

839
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:25,440
What are your thoughts on 
thermography? 

840
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,360
I love thermography. 
I use thermography. 

841
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,560
Thermography is looking for a 
heat signal and it's indicative 

842
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,680
of inflammation. 
But it is known as screening 

843
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,320
tool for breast cancer. 
It's not reliable enough. 

844
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,640
And because it's not reliable 
enough, that's why it has been 

845
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,760
so shunned by that conventional 
medical community. 

846
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,960
So I use it when I'm looking for
a source of inflammation if I'm 

847
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:56,680
like, if I'm a little 
dumbfounded and can't figure out

848
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,200
where someone's inflammation is 
coming from, like it's measuring

849
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,960
on their labs but I can't find 
it in their body, it's not 

850
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,320
obvious. 
I do use thermography for that, 

851
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,120
but I don't use it as a breast 
cancer screening school. 

852
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,000
Study. 
What about Pernuvo? 

853
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,520
That's another one that a lot of
people are, yeah. 

854
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,880
So that that's a non contrast 
MRI. 

855
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,920
So I really like it for because 
of that, because it's not 

856
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,320
dangerous if you're not putting 
anyone in harm's way. 

857
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,320
It is a screening tool. 
It's not a great screening tool 

858
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,040
for the breast because I think 
it has a threshold of about a 

859
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:35,560
centimeter. 
But I think that it is a way of 

860
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:40,600
screening your body and maybe 
finding something early. 

861
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,640
It's not preventative. 
Let's be clear, it's not. 

862
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:48,200
It has nothing to do with 
prevention, but it is a safe 

863
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,760
tool for early detection. 
What are some early metabolic 

864
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,920
red flags that can develop 
before breast cancer ever 

865
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,480
occurs? 
I'd love this question because 

866
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,520
this is something that we're not
talking about enough. 

867
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:04,880
And this was the focus of my 
talk at a four M the American, 

868
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,400
the American Academy of Anti 
Aging Medicine. 

869
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:16,360
If we would screen for metabolic
dysfunction with the same vigor 

870
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:20,280
that we screen for breast 
cancer, we would be a hell of a 

871
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:25,800
lot healthier as a society. 
Metabolic dysfunction is the 

872
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,560
precursor to the development of 
breast cancer because it's 

873
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:34,840
having this profoundly negative 
effect on our internal chemistry

874
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,600
and the precursor to so many 
other diseases. 

875
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,160
Those are the other diseases. 
It's the precursor to chronic 

876
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,320
disease for many chronic 
diseases, diabetes, 

877
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:49,600
hypertension, heart disease. 
And our providers, again, 

878
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,280
because of the way that our 
system is set up, they're only 

879
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,400
trained to recognize failure, 
right. 

880
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,680
So all they're doing when 
they're looking at people's 

881
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:06,000
basic labs every year is they're
looking at a fasting glucose and

882
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,400
they're looking at a hemoglobin 
A1C, which is your average 

883
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,720
glucose over a three month 
period of time. 

884
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:18,200
And so they're letting these 
glucoses go that are, you know, 

885
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,080
a hundred 110 as a fasting 
glucose. 

886
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,400
And they're saying, oh, just 
watch what you eat and maybe 

887
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,920
exercise a little more and maybe
lose a little weight. 

888
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,120
And I'll see you back in a year 
when you're actually diabetic, 

889
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:33,320
right? 
And when you're actually 

890
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,680
diabetic, then we'll give you 
diabetes medicine, which will 

891
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:41,240
only, you know, put a Band-Aid 
over the problem and not fix 

892
00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:44,120
anything and not solve anything.
But as far as they're concerned,

893
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,520
diabetes is irreversible. 
Because if all you're going to 

894
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,360
do is give these horrible 
diabetes medications, it is 

895
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:53,040
irreversible. 
But instead, if we were to 

896
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:57,920
screen people properly and look 
at fasting glucose and, and make

897
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:02,040
sure that people's fasting 
glucose was below 90 and look at

898
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,520
fasting insulin and make sure 
that fasting insulin is between 

899
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:12,400
2:00 and 5:00 and look at A1C 
and, and make sure that that A1C

900
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:16,160
is less than 5, we wouldn't 
develop all of this chronic 

901
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:17,520
disease. 
And what would you? 

902
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:22,120
Say to someone who didn't have 
optimal fasting glucose or A1C 

903
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:22,880
numbers. 
Yeah. 

904
00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:27,160
So the question is why are you 
eating a standard American diet?

905
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:35,480
Are you on a whole food diet? 
Are you are you moving your body

906
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,240
or are you living a sedentary 
lifestyle? 

907
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:43,160
Are you prioritizing sleep or 
are you up at night on your 

908
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,720
phone or binging on Netflix or 
whatever? 

909
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,280
Yeah, so much more to the 
picture than just like not 

910
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,320
eating too much sugar. 
Absolutely. 

911
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:56,280
I mean, I have people that have 
beautiful, beautiful diets, but 

912
00:56:56,280 --> 00:57:00,440
they're stress cases. 
So listen, if you are stressed 

913
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:05,800
out all the time, then the 
dominant hormone in your body is

914
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,440
going to be cortisol. 
Cortisol is our run away from a 

915
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,560
tiger hormone. 
And if you need to run away from

916
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:17,200
a tiger, you need high blood 
sugar in order to run away from 

917
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,440
said tiger. 
Only there aren't any tigers. 

918
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:27,600
There's jobs and deadlines and 
busyness and sedentary lifestyle

919
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,120
where you're not burning off any
of that tortis all and difficult

920
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,480
relationships and trauma and all
of that. 

921
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,400
So if you're suffering under the
weight of that, you're going to 

922
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,840
have metabolic dysfunction and 
you can eat the most beautiful 

923
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,560
diet in the world, you're still 
going to have metabolic 

924
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,400
dysfunction. 
So there's so many layers to it,

925
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,520
which is not to say that it's 
impossible, but you have to work

926
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,560
with someone who is educated. 
You have to work with someone 

927
00:57:54,560 --> 00:58:00,040
who's aware, who can help you to
recognize where this dysfunction

928
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,080
is coming from. 
How does muscle mass impact? 

929
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:08,680
Breast health so the more muscle
mass you have, the better your 

930
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:13,280
metabolic health. 
And as we start to lose muscle 

931
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:17,280
mass, that is when we start to 
see dysfunction. 

932
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,680
And the reason we lose muscle 
mass is you're not getting 

933
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:27,040
enough protein in your diet, you
are sedentary, you're not 

934
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:33,160
lifting heavy things and these 
the OR you're under too much 

935
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,600
stress. 
And all of these things are 

936
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,720
contributing to the same 
metabolic dysfunction that we 

937
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:44,640
spoke about before. 
And this becomes an increasing 

938
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,680
problem for everyone as they 
age. 

939
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,800
But not that I don't care about 
men, but my focus is on Women's 

940
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:58,120
Health and women as they start 
to go through menopause. 

941
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:02,920
So as they become perimenopausal
and beyond, when you lose 

942
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:07,280
estrogen, you start to lose your
metabolic flexibility. 

943
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,520
As you get older, you make less 
acid in your stomach so you 

944
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:16,360
don't breakdown protein as well.
You don't utilize your protein 

945
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,960
as well, so you can't 
incorporate it into your 

946
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,720
muscles. 
And most women do great when 

947
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:28,680
they're young with heavy duty 
cardio workouts and hit hit 

948
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:34,360
workouts and things like that. 
And if you don't shift to muscle

949
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:39,200
bearing to, to muscle building 
workouts as you go through 

950
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,440
menopause, you're going to lose 
your muscle mass and you're 

951
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,600
going to lose that flexibility 
and you're going to lose your 

952
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:50,240
metabolic health. 
So at different stages in your 

953
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,320
life, you have to make 
adjustments. 

954
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:57,080
And as you go through from your 
30s to your 40s to your 50s, you

955
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,440
have to start to prioritize more
protein. 

956
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:05,000
You've just start prioritizing 
weightlifting and and. 

957
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:13,080
And muscle building, and you 
have to start to come way more 

958
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,800
into circadian rhythms. 
And you have to start 

959
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:22,280
prioritizing sleep and changing 
what and when you eat. 

960
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,760
You have to start putting 
fasting into your routine. 

961
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:30,800
All of these things make a 
difference because as you get 

962
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:35,680
older, you lose flexibility, you
lose ability to synthesize 

963
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,240
protein, to synthesize muscle, 
and you need to work harder at 

964
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,520
it. 
Are you a fan of rocking or 

965
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:45,640
weighted best walking? 
I am to an extent. 

966
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:50,520
I think you can overdo that. 
So I, I recently said to my 

967
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:54,800
husband, because he lost a lot 
of weight a few years ago, he's,

968
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,320
he's one of these up and down 
down. 

969
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:04,200
But he's, he's decisively been 
down for the last two years and 

970
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:08,200
he's been walking with a 20 LB 
weighted vest and at the same 

971
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:12,120
time complaining of back pain. 
And I'm like, honey, there's a 

972
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:13,920
reason why we tell people to 
lose 20 lbs. 

973
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,040
It's because it's not 
particularly good for you to 

974
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,240
walk 5 miles every day with that
old 20 lbs on you. 

975
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:26,160
So I think that adding it to 
certain things can be helpful, 

976
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,600
but I also think that we 
shouldn't be doing distance 

977
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,160
things with with the weighted 
vest on. 

978
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:33,080
Yeah. 
That's fair. 

979
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:37,240
I'm I've been doing this a lot 
lately and I used to do 20 lbs. 

980
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,640
I started with like 5 and I was 
like this isn't doing anything. 

981
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:44,200
So then I went to 10 and 15 and 
then 20, and now I'm back to 10.

982
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,480
And I think I'm going to stay 
there because I did notice like 

983
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,640
a little bit of back pain when I
was doing it often. 

984
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,920
But do you think women are more 
genetically equipped to do that 

985
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:56,640
than men? 
Just because I'm thinking like, 

986
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,880
baby wearing. 
Like you see pictures of women 

987
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:01,720
in Africa carrying huge water 
jugs. 

988
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,520
Like is there any difference 
there between men and women? 

989
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,640
Oh, that's an excellent 
question. 

990
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,760
I never really thought about it 
that way because we are. 

991
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:16,520
Well, also, you know, when they,
when they're pregnant, they 

992
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:21,120
don't gain 50 lbs. 
Many women in America, right, 

993
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,800
they, they don't get to take a 
vacation from their life, they 

994
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:31,480
gain like 10 lbs. 
So yeah, maybe we are 

995
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:35,440
conditioned to, to do that a 
little more than men. 

996
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:44,120
However, we're also meant to 
have a much a different muscle 

997
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:50,080
to fat ratio than men. 
Men are actually more designed 

998
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:53,960
to have much more muscle mass 
than we are because they 

999
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:59,720
typically had to go out and kill
the animals and carry them back 

1000
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,600
through to the to the village. 
And that was pretty heavy, 

1001
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,520
right. 
I don't know. 

1002
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:07,960
I would have to think about 
that. 

1003
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:14,160
But they also lived a far more 
nourishing life than most of us 

1004
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:14,840
do. 
Yeah. 

1005
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:21,360
And, you know, you're very lucky
to be here on this beautiful 

1006
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,240
farm and growing this beautiful 
food. 

1007
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:28,440
There are many, many Americans, 
myself included, that we don't 

1008
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:33,360
have the access to this. 
I mean, even what's at our our 

1009
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:37,560
markets is it's not this. 
Yeah, if it's not this. 

1010
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,840
So I think it's a nourishment 
thing, too. 

1011
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:45,800
And you really have to be 
conscious about it. 

1012
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,600
It's something that. 
And it's not to say that it 

1013
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,120
can't be done. 
It can absolutely be done. 

1014
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,480
But it's also not something that
you can take for granted. 

1015
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:59,200
Like, it has to be a very 
conscious part of your being. 

1016
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:00,680
And you have to listen to 
yourself. 

1017
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:04,240
You know, your body told you, 
no, this isn't working. 

1018
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:10,440
I think women are much more 
dialed in their body and are. 

1019
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:15,480
Yeah. 
And it's often times when you're

1020
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:19,040
not dialed into your body, when 
you're not listening to your 

1021
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,440
body, that's when you can get in
trouble. 

1022
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:21,880
Yeah. 
It's. 

1023
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,840
Like tuning in. 
Thank you Ash and and. 

1024
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,120
Changing based on what you're 
feeling, I think that's 

1025
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,240
tremendously important. 
Yeah. 

1026
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:34,880
And if you are truly tuned into 
your body, if you're truly 

1027
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:39,040
dialed into your health, it's 
not going to get away from you 

1028
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,800
so much. 
And the people that are 

1029
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:47,080
surprised by their diagnosis, I 
think they're not so tuned into 

1030
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,040
their health. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

1031
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:53,000
And you still see and treat 
breast cancer patients today. 

1032
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:55,880
But very differently. 
Than before. 

1033
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:57,520
Can you walk us through what 
that looks like? 

1034
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:58,880
Yeah. 
Absolutely. 

1035
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:03,520
So, you know, before I was 
someone who focused on the 

1036
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:07,080
tumor, but what we focus on 
grows, right? 

1037
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:08,960
And that's not what you want to 
grow. 

1038
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,160
We want our health to grow. 
We want our Wellness to grow. 

1039
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:15,760
We want our beauty to grow. 
We want our function to grow. 

1040
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:20,560
That's what we want. 
And so that's where my focus is.

1041
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,680
And I try to not focus so much 
on the tumor. 

1042
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:27,800
And it's so funny because as new
people join my group, they all 

1043
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:33,040
want to tell me like, Oh well, I
had an ER PR positive this and I

1044
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:37,040
and A hormone negative VAT and I
her 2 positive this. 

1045
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:41,960
And we get so tuned into 
identifying with that cancer. 

1046
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,040
We don't want to identify with 
cancer. 

1047
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,480
No SO. 
What I want to know about you is

1048
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,400
what are you eating? 
How are you sleeping? 

1049
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:54,720
How are you moving your body? 
What is your hole look like? 

1050
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:56,800
What is your environment look 
like? 

1051
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,520
What are you putting in, on and 
around you? 

1052
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:02,480
What are your detoxification 
practices? 

1053
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,040
What what are your connections 
like? 

1054
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:06,600
What are your relationships 
like? 

1055
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,800
What is fulfilling you right? 
What is filling your cup? 

1056
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,040
What makes you happy? 
What brings you joy? 

1057
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,360
And if you don't know any 
answers to those questions, 

1058
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:22,200
right, then we, that's where we,
that's where the work is, right?

1059
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,520
Because when you build health, 
disease goes away. 

1060
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,960
Now, the thing that I think is 
my special sauce, my unique 

1061
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:34,560
approach is that I'm looking at 
everyone from a genetic 

1062
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,160
perspective. 
Not that breast cancer is a 

1063
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:38,960
genetic disease. 
It's not. 

1064
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:43,880
But we are all born with a 
finite capability to deal with 

1065
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:48,120
environmental toxins, right? 
We all are born with a bucket. 

1066
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,880
Some people have a really small 
bucket, some people have a 

1067
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,200
really big bucket. 
But when you've developed breast

1068
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:56,840
cancer, you have exceeded your 
toxin bucket, right? 

1069
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,600
It is overflowing. 
You're out of balance. 

1070
01:06:59,960 --> 01:07:04,760
So I want to know, how do we 
empty your bucket? 

1071
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:11,560
How do we help your body to, and
how do we help you to create an 

1072
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:16,160
environment inside and out that 
is going to build your health? 

1073
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:21,720
So we do the genetic testing and
we give people a plan and then 

1074
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,400
we help work on it together as a
group. 

1075
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,720
So you work on full body health 
based on genetics, because 

1076
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,080
you've just said that breast 
cancer is not a genetic disease,

1077
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,400
which I'm sure a lot of people 
argue with you on that point. 

1078
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,160
What would you say to anyone 
who's adamant that no, this was 

1079
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,160
a genetic thing? 
There's nothing I could have 

1080
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:40,440
done about it. 
OK. 

1081
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:45,000
Well, even when you look at the 
Bracha population, right, these 

1082
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:48,840
are people that are born with a 
mutation in one of the tumor 

1083
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,800
suppressor genes, the Bracha one
or Bracha 2 gene. 

1084
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:58,080
And these people now have very 
high incidences of breast cancer

1085
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:03,360
somewhere in the 80s, right. 
But when you looked at them 30 

1086
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:06,760
years ago, 40 years ago, because
this mutation is not new. 

1087
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,240
Yeah. 
But their breast cancer 

1088
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:13,560
incidence was in the 50s. 
And if you look at them way 

1089
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,960
before that, their breast cancer
incidence was in the 30s. 

1090
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,279
Wow. 
So the genes haven't changed. 

1091
01:08:19,399 --> 01:08:23,279
What's changed? 
Our environment has changed and 

1092
01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:27,319
what we're doing with these 
people, with genetic, with these

1093
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:31,120
genetic mutations is we're 
screening them early and we're 

1094
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:34,479
screening them often. 
And removing their breasts, 

1095
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:36,600
right? 
In a lot of cases, yes, we're 

1096
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,640
removing their breasts before 
they even have their ovaries, 

1097
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:44,640
yes, But before they even get to
that point, we're screening 

1098
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,319
them. 
So we're just adding toxins to 

1099
01:08:47,319 --> 01:08:51,960
them, we're adding radiation, 
we're adding gadolinium and if 

1100
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:56,840
we put them on tamoxifen, we're 
adding a cancer causing agent to

1101
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:02,319
that. 
So we're it is not your genes. 

1102
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:07,520
And even even in those bracha 
mutation carriers that have an 

1103
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,560
80 some percent chance of 
developing breast cancer, 

1104
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:16,120
there's still 15% of them, 17% 
of them that don't develop 

1105
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,600
breast cancer. 
It's not your genes, it's the 

1106
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,960
environment, and it's the way 
that your environment acts on 

1107
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,200
your genes. 
And that's where our control 

1108
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:26,479
lies. 
We can, we can't control 

1109
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:28,319
everything. 
Obviously we can't control 

1110
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:30,720
everything, but we can control a
lot. 

1111
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,760
And I assure you, we can control
enough. 

1112
01:09:34,359 --> 01:09:37,680
You mentioned fasting earlier. 
What role does fasting play in 

1113
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,040
cancer prevention and treatment?
Yeah. 

1114
01:09:40,399 --> 01:09:46,600
So as a society, for the most 
part, we are overfed. 

1115
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:51,920
We're overfed on everything. 
Good light, electricity, 

1116
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:54,840
everything. 
We're we're overfed on 

1117
01:09:54,840 --> 01:10:00,360
everything. 100%. 
Every single religion has 

1118
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,760
fasting built into it. 
Every single one, because our 

1119
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:08,800
ancestors knew that your body 
needs time to rest, your body 

1120
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:13,280
needs time to cleanse, your body
needs time to repair, and 

1121
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:16,240
fasting is the fastest way to 
human. 

1122
01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:19,080
Yeah, I think it was Paracelsus 
who called fasting the 

1123
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:23,640
physician, the physician within 
the body because it it, it just 

1124
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,880
cleans things up when you give 
your body a break from the 

1125
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:29,040
constant inputs and digestion 
and all these things you 

1126
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,760
mentioned. 
And also, you know, digestion 

1127
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:36,160
takes a lot of energy, and it 
detracts from our detoxification

1128
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:39,240
processes. 
So for instance, if you go to 

1129
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:43,640
bed on a full stomach, your 
liver, which is supposed to be 

1130
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:47,360
detoxifying all the things that 
it encountered during the day, 

1131
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:50,360
can't do what it has to do 
because it's busy processing 

1132
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:54,520
that meal. 
So at the very least, eating 

1133
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:58,400
should stop hours before you go 
to sleep so that you can 

1134
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:02,400
detoxify overnight. 
But even more importantly is 

1135
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:07,440
that remember from we, we are 
modern beings living on a very 

1136
01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:12,880
old gene code. 
And there were times of food 

1137
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:16,200
abundance and there were times 
of great scarcity. 

1138
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:20,520
And the only reason that any of 
us are alive today is because we

1139
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:24,360
were able to survive those times
of great scarcity. 

1140
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:29,880
And you know, it wasn't as if we
couldn't perform during those 

1141
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:33,160
times because if you think about
it, if you came out of The Cave 

1142
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:37,120
in the morning and you saw a 
Saber toothed tiger because you 

1143
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:41,400
you're coming out of The Cave to
go hunting or whatever, it's not

1144
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,440
like you could say to that 
tiger, Hey, can you just hold on

1145
01:11:44,440 --> 01:11:47,200
a second because I haven't had 
my breakfast. 

1146
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:51,080
Right, right. 
Like we were meant to perform as

1147
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:54,360
well, if not better in a fasted 
state. 

1148
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:56,160
Totally. 
Agree. 

1149
01:11:56,200 --> 01:12:00,360
I mean, I I do some fasting on 
and off and I feel like all of 

1150
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,400
my instincts are heightened and 
sharpened when I'm in a fasted 

1151
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:04,640
state. 
It's actually my ring. 

1152
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:09,280
OK, we just had a first we had a
power outage at the farm, but 

1153
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:11,280
we're back at Maria now. 
Hot blue. 

1154
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:14,720
Yeah, Guts Dew End. 
We're back up. 

1155
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:18,520
So as you're talking about this,
I'm just thinking about how many

1156
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:23,480
critics there are about women 
who fast and people who say that

1157
01:12:23,480 --> 01:12:25,920
women shouldn't fast. 
What would you say to? 

1158
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:27,920
Them. 
And how can women incorporate 

1159
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:31,640
fasting in a way that works with
their biology and not against 

1160
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:32,040
it? 
Yeah. 

1161
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:36,880
So we have to remember again 
modern beings living on a very 

1162
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,040
old gene code. 
We all fasted. 

1163
01:12:39,480 --> 01:12:42,720
We didn't have a choice. 
It's not like we could open the 

1164
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,280
refrigerator in The Cave like it
didn't exist. 

1165
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:49,560
So there were times of food 
plenty and times of food 

1166
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:51,760
scarcity. 
And when there was no food, we 

1167
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,520
did not eat. 
So we can all fast. 

1168
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:59,680
Fasting actually, incidentally, 
is also the fastest way to 

1169
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:03,400
healing because that's when our 
cells are able to clean up and 

1170
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:07,600
regenerate and decide which 
cells should be destroyed and 

1171
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:11,560
which cells can be repaired. 
So it is a very important 

1172
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:15,920
process. 
I think for women, we need to 

1173
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:21,560
think about both stage like are 
you of childbearing age? 

1174
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:25,520
Because if you are, there are 
times in the month where you 

1175
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:29,800
will tolerate fasting and times 
of the month where you will not.

1176
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:33,920
What are those times? 
So and Mindy Pels wrote an 

1177
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:35,960
amazing book. 
Yeah, right. 

1178
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:41,520
So I, I often refer to her book 
all the time. 

1179
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:47,040
And women as they, as they get 
to the end of their cycle, in 

1180
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:51,320
the luteal phase of their cycle,
they need more carbohydrate, 

1181
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:57,000
they need more rest. 
They, they just won't tolerate 

1182
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,960
as much in the luteal phase of 
their cycle as they will in the 

1183
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:05,960
follicular phase of their cycle.
So we're in the proliferative 

1184
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:11,720
phase of their cycle. 
So for women, I don't think that

1185
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:16,040
you should do a tremendous 
amount of fasting as you 

1186
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:19,560
approach your cycle. 
I think that that that is a time

1187
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:23,280
that it's very hard for women 
and you need more carbohydrate, 

1188
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:25,760
you need more TLC, you need more
rest. 

1189
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:29,320
Agreed. 
So in the first part of your 

1190
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:32,880
cycle, that's probably a better 
time for prolonged fasting. 

1191
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:37,200
But I believe that everyone 
should be doing these overnight 

1192
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:38,960
fast. 
I believe everyone should have 

1193
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:42,960
time restricted eating. 
As the day goes on, our 

1194
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:45,800
metabolism drops. 
We have that we we have a 

1195
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:49,440
decreased ability to process 
food as the day goes on. 

1196
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:54,080
And certainly at night we are 
supposed to be doing all these 

1197
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:57,440
detoxification processes. 
So as the sun goes down, we're 

1198
01:14:57,440 --> 01:14:59,080
not supposed must be eating 
after dark. 

1199
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:03,200
If you were out after dark in 
cave times, you or someone 

1200
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:07,840
else's food, right? 
So I think everyone should be 

1201
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:11,200
doing these overnight fast. 
How often would you recommend? 

1202
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:15,280
Oh this is all the time. 
Like even babies. 

1203
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:18,520
Ones you're saying just like 
from sundown to sun up. 

1204
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:21,200
Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, we should not be eating 

1205
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:23,560
when the sun is down. 
We're not built for that. 

1206
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:26,960
So like circadian fasting, Yes, 
circadian fasting, very gentle, 

1207
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:31,160
which also means that that is 
going to change according to the

1208
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:35,920
time of the year. 
And when our days are long, our 

1209
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:40,760
fast are shorter, right. 
We we can have longer periods of

1210
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:45,040
eating as the days are longer. 
And when the days are short, so 

1211
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:48,000
are our eating windows, and 
those fasts get longer. 

1212
01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:50,680
So it depends on the time of the
year. 

1213
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:56,800
And then as you get older, you 
will tolerate longer periods of 

1214
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:01,640
fasting when your body is not in
that same menstrual cycle and 

1215
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:07,320
that same menstrual rhythm. 
So I think that fasting changes 

1216
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:11,320
at different stages of your life
and at different times of the 

1217
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:13,960
year. 
And I think that that's really 

1218
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:17,200
important for a lot of things 
because there's not going to be 

1219
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:21,040
1 diet that's right for you for 
the entirety of your life. 

1220
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:24,360
That's going to change, and the 
amount of fasting that you're 

1221
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:27,440
going to do throughout your 
life, that's going to change. 

1222
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:31,840
But most people in this country 
are so overfed. 

1223
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:35,560
They need to be doing way more 
fasting than they're doing. 

1224
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:39,360
So instead of talking, instead 
of criticizing people for 

1225
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:42,800
fasting, we should encourage 
them to be doing fasting. 

1226
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:46,640
Yeah, I was always someone who I
would have like a snack in the 

1227
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,720
morning, then breakfast, maybe a
snack between breakfast and 

1228
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:52,600
lunch and then lunch, dinner, 
maybe a bedtime snack. 

1229
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,840
And so when I first started 
fasting, it was difficult to 

1230
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,920
shorten eating when. 
You had no metabolic 

1231
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:02,720
flexibility. 
Yeah, it was hard and grazer and

1232
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,560
it didn't feel good in the 
beginning, but then I did 

1233
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:08,600
develop more metabolic 
flexibility and I noticed that 

1234
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:12,240
my brain was sharper when I was 
fasted and it didn't feel super 

1235
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:14,960
difficult or draining. 
I would actually get more energy

1236
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,080
out of it. 
And I did quite a bit of 

1237
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:21,400
fasting, like in between my 
second and third child, probably

1238
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:23,960
more than most people would 
recommend. 

1239
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:27,880
Maybe it was too much, I don't 
do as much now, but I still was 

1240
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:32,320
able to get pregnant without 
trying like very easily, even 

1241
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:35,080
doing way more fasting than most
people would say is good for 

1242
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:36,880
women. 
So I just think there's a lot 

1243
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,160
more story there. 
Fasting leads to metabolic 

1244
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:42,760
flexibility and if you can't 
fast, it's because you're 

1245
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:46,920
metabolically inflexible. 
So your take away from not being

1246
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:50,680
able to fast should be, we need 
to work on this because we 

1247
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:55,120
should be able to without an 
issue, go for prolonged periods 

1248
01:17:55,400 --> 01:18:00,240
without food and be sharp as a 
tack and be strong and be 

1249
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:02,880
resilient. 
We should be able to do all of 

1250
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,720
that. 
And if you can't do that, that's

1251
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:08,080
where your work is, that's where
you need to focus. 

1252
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,520
That's what you need to do. 
Because we must all be 

1253
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,800
metabolically flexible. 
This that is a sign of health. 

1254
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:19,280
What role do the synthetic 
chemicals in the personal care 

1255
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:23,000
and beauty products that women 
are using play in our risk for 

1256
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:28,360
breast cancer? 
So unfortunately it goes so 

1257
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:34,200
unrecognized because it's 
presenting at different stages 

1258
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:37,320
in different ways and people 
don't realize it. 

1259
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:42,160
So all of these chemicals, these
are xenoestrogens, XENO 

1260
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:47,560
xenoestrogens, and they are 
acting on our estrogen receptor 

1261
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:51,840
and blocking our estrogen 
receptor from receiving the 

1262
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:53,880
estrogen that our body is 
making. 

1263
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:59,360
And so in young girls, it's 
presenting as menstrual 

1264
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:04,400
irregularities and painful 
periods and things that we call 

1265
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,720
estrogen dominance, which is 
actually progesterone 

1266
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:13,160
deficiency. 
And then as you get into your 

1267
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:17,440
20s and 30s, it's presenting as 
infertility. 

1268
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:22,200
And if it's not acknowledged, if
it's not stopped, then you get 

1269
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:26,120
to your 40s and 50s and now 
you're in my office with breast 

1270
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:28,280
cancer. 
And this is what's happening 

1271
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:31,880
because it is disrupting our 
normal hormonal rhythm. 

1272
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,520
It is preventing our hormones 
from doing what they are 

1273
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:38,560
supposed to do because our 
hormones are protecting us. 

1274
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:43,840
They're not hurting us, but if 
if our receptor sites that are, 

1275
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:48,040
that are the way that our 
hormones message ourselves, if 

1276
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:55,320
they're occupied by plastics, by
fragrance, by nonstick, by, by 

1277
01:19:55,360 --> 01:20:00,560
all of these things that are 
surrounding us these days and 

1278
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,560
totally unregulated and totally 
accepted. 

1279
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:07,000
Even something like antibiotics,
people don't realize that 

1280
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:11,920
antibiotics are a xenoestrogen. 
And so that, yeah, so they think

1281
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:16,320
it's so harmless, but the 
antibiotics are put everywhere 

1282
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,320
in places that you don't even 
think about it. 

1283
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:22,040
In your toothpaste, in your 
shampoo, in your conditioner. 

1284
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:22,960
Trico. 
Fan. 

1285
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:28,280
Yes, yes. 
So this is contributing to this 

1286
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:33,280
dysfunction that just goes 
unrecognized for what it is and 

1287
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:35,600
we need to be paying far more 
attention. 

1288
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:39,680
But instead, because the 
conventional medical world 

1289
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:42,400
doesn't think about it 
systemically, because the 

1290
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:46,000
conventional medical world isn't
trained to think this way. 

1291
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:50,320
What happens a young girl comes 
with menstrual irregularity and 

1292
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:53,000
what happens? 
She gets put on birth control 

1293
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:56,640
pills. 
Or you present with infertility 

1294
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:02,360
in your 30s and what happens? 
You get put on some regimen 

1295
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:06,120
which forces a pregnancy or you 
present with acne. 

1296
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:08,240
What happens? 
They put you on birth control 

1297
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:11,320
pills. 
Yeah, antibiotics and 

1298
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:14,040
antibiotics, right. 
And that's what they do. 

1299
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:20,320
And instead, and what should be 
happening is we should recognize

1300
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,000
that this is hormone dysfunction
and fix it. 

1301
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:26,720
But instead what's happening is 
we're just mansplaining it 

1302
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:28,520
right? 
We're just going to overrule it 

1303
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:32,960
with with more things that are 
cancer causing until what 

1304
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:36,480
happens is you end up with a 
breast cancer diagnosis. 

1305
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:40,360
How does the birth control pill 
specifically impact cancer risk?

1306
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:44,120
Well. 
We know from the the Danish 

1307
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:49,720
study of 1.8 million women that 
breast cancer incidence is 

1308
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:53,240
directly related to the amount 
of time that you're on birth 

1309
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:57,280
control pills and birth control 
pills because again, it's a 

1310
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,720
product of the Pharmaceutical 
industry. 

1311
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:04,640
These are, well, they're all 
synthetic, so I don't want to 

1312
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:09,040
say synthetic, but these are non
bioidentical estrogens. 

1313
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:15,120
These are estrogens that come 
from pregnant horses, and 

1314
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:21,360
pregnant horses have forms of 
estrogen that we don't know in 

1315
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:25,200
our body, over 30 forms of 
estrogen that our bodies don't 

1316
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:26,960
know and don't know what to do 
with. 

1317
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:29,360
I didn't realize that it came 
from pregnant. 

1318
01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:31,280
Horses. 
Oh yes, wow. 

1319
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:36,120
Fragment Premarin is pregnant 
Mare urine. 

1320
01:22:36,440 --> 01:22:37,920
Wow. 
Wow. 

1321
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:41,600
Yep. 
And there's like, so going back 

1322
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,680
to the xenoestrogens real quick,
there was a study I have here in

1323
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:48,360
my notes in 2023 that found that
reducing exposure to 

1324
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:52,280
xenoestrogens, which can appear 
as parabens or phalates and 

1325
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:55,440
personal care products can 
actually reverse cancer 

1326
01:22:55,440 --> 01:22:57,960
associated changes in breast 
tissue. 

1327
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:00,680
So just by eliminating. 
Them, yeah, so, but also a lot 

1328
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:03,240
of hope like the changes. 
That we make actually make a 

1329
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:06,680
difference, Absolutely. 
And that is what this whole 

1330
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:09,920
story is about. 
That is what my whole platform 

1331
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:12,680
is about. 
We have so much more power than 

1332
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:15,440
we think, so much more power 
than we've led to believe. 

1333
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:22,240
And my story is one of hope 
because you can replace whatever

1334
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:26,480
dysfunction you have encountered
up until this day with hope, 

1335
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:31,080
with health. 
And I think at any age, at any 

1336
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:36,080
stage, you can have health. 
And sometimes once when you get 

1337
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:39,640
to the lowest of the low, when 
you present with a diagnosis 

1338
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:43,120
that you never saw coming, that 
you never expected, it's not in 

1339
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:47,360
your family. 
And you, you didn't feel unwell,

1340
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:49,360
right? 
And you're hit with this 

1341
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:52,520
diagnosis. 
This can be opportunity. 

1342
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:55,640
It's not a blessing. 
I understand your diagnosis are 

1343
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:59,120
not blessings, but they are 
blessed opportunities and their 

1344
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:03,560
opportunity to have health like 
you never had before. 

1345
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:07,880
But it comes with awareness and 
with the fact that there is no 

1346
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:12,960
doctor, no nurse, no provider, 
no hospital, no doctor's office,

1347
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:16,080
no treatment suite that can make
you healthy. 

1348
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:20,640
The only thing that can make you
healthy is you, and health 

1349
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:25,440
happens at home with the things 
that you do every single day. 

1350
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:29,480
Doctor Jen, thank you so much. 
This has been such an 

1351
01:24:29,480 --> 01:24:32,640
enlightening conversation. 
Where can people find you and 

1352
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:36,480
continue to learn from you and 
learn more about your clinics 

1353
01:24:36,480 --> 01:24:38,560
that you're opening? 
Where should people go? 

1354
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:43,680
Yeah, so if you're looking for 
breast imaging, my centers are 

1355
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:47,520
called Perfection imaging and 
perfection is spelled with QT in

1356
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,800
the middle. 
And if you sign up for our 

1357
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:53,960
newsletter, you can find out 
where perfection imaging is 

1358
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:57,320
opening near you. 
Of course, I want everyone to be

1359
01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:59,280
doing their self breast 
examinations. 

1360
01:24:59,440 --> 01:25:06,320
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care test code Doctor Jen 20 and

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you can find me on all the 
social channels I'm at Doctor 

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Jen Simmons and my Jen has 2 
ends. 

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Can I take my book from yours 
and show everyone that this is 

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the smart woman's guide to 
breast cancer and literally this

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book is the breast owners guide 
the breast. 

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I do not have to have breast 
cancer to get tremendous value 

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for this book. 
And I spent a year and a half of

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my life away from my life away 
from my my family to put this 

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out there. 
So please, if you want to have 

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better health, you can find out 
the recipe for better health 

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right here. 
And I have my own podcast. 

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It's called Keeping a Breast 
with Doctor Jen. 

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And we put out a new episode 
every week. 

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And then my medical practice is 
real healthmd.com. 

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And there you can learn all 
about our programs of how to 

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reclaim your health after a 
breast cancer diagnosis. 

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And we just launched A 
prevention program for anyone 

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who has a clinically positive 
Aria test or you're a mutation 

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carrier or you just want to know
how to avoid breast cancer, this

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prevention program is for you. 
So good, so encouraging. 

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Thank you. 
I know you're up against a lot 

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with the things that you're 
saying and the information that 

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you're putting out there, so I 
just really appreciate. 

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You. 
And everything that you're 

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putting out into the world. 
Thank you, thank you. 

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And I so appreciate being able 
to be here in this beautiful, 

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beautiful setting and having 
these amazing conversations that

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are so important to have. 
And the more conversations that 

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we have, the more educated 
people will be and hopefully 

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will just help to open people's 
eyes to the truth and allow 

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people to make informed 
decisions because that is not 

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what's happening now. 
And people don't make the right 

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choices because they don't even 
know what the right choices are.

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So I'm so grateful for people 
like you, for your platform, and

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for people like you that are 
footing things out into the 

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world so that people can make 
the choices. 

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Thank you so much.