1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,440 Today on Grounded Wellness, we are coming to you from the lush 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,920 healing landscape of Kawaii, where I have the honor of 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,560 sitting down with Doug Walcon, the owner of Kawaii Pharmacy. 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,360 That's pharmacy with an F, not APH. 5 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,480 Doug's story is a powerful one, trading a fast-paced life in New 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,680 York finance for a slower, more intentional path rooted in the 7 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,840 wisdom of the land. Doug and his team have built a 8 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:32,240 thriving herbal sanctuary that grows over 80 varieties of 9 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,840 plants, all rooted in regenerative permaculture based 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,800 practices. Hawaii Pharmacy is more than 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,960 just a farm, it's a living, breathing embodiment of 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,080 ancestral knowledge and the medicine that comes from 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,400 reconnecting with nature. In today's conversation, we 14 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,920 explored Doug's personal journey, the healing properties 15 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,720 of various herbs, and what it means to live in harmony with 16 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,160 earth right here on the Garden Island. 17 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:03,120 Let's dig in. Aloha dog. 18 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,080 I am so excited to be here in Kauai with you. 19 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,840 Thanks for making the drive over to Anini Beach to record with me 20 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,920 today. Aloha, Bethany, thanks for 21 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,080 having me. Of course, you made a massive 22 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,480 lifestyle change when you left a life in New York finance to 23 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,320 start a regenerative herb farm in Kauai. 24 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,440 Tell me a little bit about that journey. 25 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:29,080 So that was in my early 30s. I was doing private equity real 26 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,160 estate in Connecticut, New York area. 27 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:37,440 And I can't say the the shift was all that conscious at the 28 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,160 time. It was kind of just moving 29 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,440 through it. I had, I left that world behind 30 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,240 me, but it was really, it wasn't easy to dissolve that identity 31 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:51,840 as I'm still dissolving that finance identity, if you will, 32 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,720 that I was so attached to. So yeah, Kauai is one of those 33 00:01:55,720 --> 00:02:00,080 places where an an island living, you know, where people 34 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,640 people don't see you for that identity. 35 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,080 So yeah, that was tough. That was tough to come here and 36 00:02:08,039 --> 00:02:11,440 no one see me. Did you like visit one time and 37 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,360 you were like, OK, I need to be here more or what did that look 38 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:16,560 like? Like what led you to make that 39 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,480 decision? And so the feeling of the 40 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:24,200 acceptance of this island so that it's just a diverse place 41 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,360 where, you know, the, as far as the way people live and, and 42 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,720 lack of judgement in terms of, you know, raising family and 43 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,120 school systems. And there's a lot of openness to 44 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,600 people's willingness to accept. And I felt that and I was 45 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,120 wanting that for myself and my family. 46 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,200 So that's was one of the reasons, obviously, the 47 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,880 waterfalls and ocean and place to heal. 48 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,440 The healing piece, I think was something that was, you know, in 49 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,600 my gut, but I wasn't that conscious of that. 50 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:58,000 I had some generational healing. I had some, I had some real 51 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,680 healing to do here. And it's been a blessing to tap 52 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,240 into the plants, to the water, to the air. 53 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,920 It's not the story that, you know, I moved to this island. 54 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:10,800 It's, it's has, it's been challenging, you know, it's been 55 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,480 quite challenging in ways that I could never have imagined. 56 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,280 I mean, growth and expansion comes with, it doesn't have to, 57 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,800 you know, it can be easy and graceful, but for me, there's 58 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:26,120 been certainly lots of periods of pain and suffering, you know, 59 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,240 that come with growth and expansion. 60 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,560 What changes have you noticed health wise in your own body 61 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,080 since moving from New York to Kauai? 62 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,040 So I would say just there was a lot of numbness in my body. 63 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:46,120 I didn't even know what feeling healthy and vital felt like 64 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,760 really at that point. I was in my early 30s. 65 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,720 I had probably 3040 lbs heavier than I am now. 66 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:57,160 And now the concept of, you know, feeling light and limber 67 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:03,920 and standing in a strong conscious posture. 68 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,480 We just talked about having joy running through my body. 69 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:12,640 I mean, those are all aspects of my journey that I've worked on 70 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,720 cultivating. And would you say in New York it 71 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,000 was more just like fast-paced, head down kind of lifestyle, 72 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,120 Just go, go, go? Like no time to really consider 73 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:25,840 how you're even feeling. Yeah, You know, the idea of 74 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:30,320 taking responsibility, it was new to me and I needed people to 75 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:35,280 like explain it to me a lot of times to fully get it. 76 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:40,160 Of just like as I got older, my responsibilities, children, work 77 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,400 aspirations, ambitions were, were increasing and my 78 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,880 well-being was sort of stagnant or even coming down. 79 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,880 And so to me, they're they run in parallel paths. 80 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:56,200 And when I was working in that finance space, my ambitions were 81 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:01,720 infinite. And I didn't see it as, you 82 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,200 know, as being parallel to my to my well-being. 83 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:14,760 So I kind of realize that truth through my own suffering, you 84 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,280 know, through my own, like, why can't I have all these ambitions 85 00:05:17,280 --> 00:05:18,920 come true? And then I'd be like, ah, my 86 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:20,280 neck hurts, you know, that's why. 87 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,840 Because I had pain in my body and pain in my, then my thoughts 88 00:05:24,840 --> 00:05:26,800 weren't clear. And I'm, you know, obviously 89 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,920 still working on all of it. Right. 90 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:34,720 It's amazing how much feeling good can contribute to the goals 91 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,840 that people are trying to reach that they sometimes neglect 92 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:41,200 because they want to get there. But yeah, like you said, like 93 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,480 taking care of yourself is so important in order to do what 94 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,080 you want to do in life, whatever that is. 95 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:49,640 Yeah. I mean, you bring up a great 96 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:50,960 point. Like the even in the goals, are 97 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,440 they aligned? Like how do you know that's what 98 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,080 you want? Yeah. 99 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,160 Like is it what you want, or is it what you think you want, or 100 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:58,720 what society tells you that you want? 101 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,640 'Cause you get what you are. How do I find alignment? 102 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,320 And you find alignment through ease and grace, right? 103 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,800 When there's ease in the body, when you're experiencing grace, 104 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,680 that's when the alignment comes through. 105 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:14,400 And ideally, all the goals and aspirations that you have will 106 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:19,400 then unfold accordingly, as opposed to all these desires 107 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,920 that are outside of you that you're trying to grab onto. 108 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,240 And it's, it can be elusive. Yeah. 109 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,480 Discerning between the two, what's really in alignment, what 110 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,080 you've been trained or or institutionalized to go go 111 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,120 after? I would imagine that it was such 112 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,120 a big shock to your system moving here and living a slower 113 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,440 life. Did you ever have like 114 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:46,080 withdrawals of like just living this fast-paced life and feel 115 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,000 like you had to detox from that at all? 116 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,160 It's. A great question. 117 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,360 I still have withdrawals for sure. 118 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,040 You know it's. I know sometimes, like when I 119 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,680 come here, 'cause we come here a couple times a year and it 120 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,080 usually takes me a few days to kind of settle in and like ease 121 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:01,640 up. Yeah, I mean, being able to 122 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,680 observe yourself, this is a place where you, you know, the 123 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,880 mirror is powerful. So there are self reflection, 124 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,080 you know, is is necessary and almost required. 125 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:16,680 And as far as cultural, you know, so much that I still yearn 126 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,520 for in my old life. And I still would love to move 127 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,520 further into and bring back some of some of the work that I did 128 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,840 and integrate it into my life again, some of the skills that I 129 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,760 had and also culturally, you know, and then it's, it's just a 130 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,080 question of I grounded so hard on the farm. 131 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,200 I'm trying to soften that a little bit. 132 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,880 The grounding, if you will. I just, I mean, I, there was a 133 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,000 time with three kids, I couldn't even go down the street. 134 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,320 It was like I, I couldn't move. It was, there was so much 135 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,440 responsibility on the farm. We bit off way too much, you 136 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,800 know, and it didn't. It was only four acres, but we 137 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,280 just the ambitions and the products and the alchemy and the 138 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,560 people that worked there and we just had no clue what we were 139 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,880 doing. Diving into something new, 140 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,880 starting a new endeavour is no joke. 141 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,880 It's like amazing and beautiful, but lots of ups and downs. 142 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,280 I can definitely relate to that in like the early years of 143 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,080 starting primarily pure. It's kind of all consuming. 144 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,760 It's all consuming and yeah. And then so there's aspects of 145 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:23,880 it being here on Kauai where I didn't, I, I went to this farm 146 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:28,840 experience because I thought it would liberate my journey in 147 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:34,400 terms of business and having the space where I could do the 148 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:41,120 alchemy and heal and not have outside powers affect it so 149 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,680 much. But at the same time, it became 150 00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:49,120 so kind of secluded, if you will, the experience in order to 151 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:53,160 get it off the ground that we had to like, focus so deep. 152 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,120 And we dug ourselves such a hole that we, you know, we couldn't 153 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:00,160 get out. So we kept, you know, we kept 154 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:00,920 going. And yeah. 155 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,160 Kept digging out, you know, and, and still to this day, I mean, 156 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:09,880 there's it's a big, it's a big four acres of herbal medicine 157 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,320 gardens that. Yeah. 158 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,840 Tell us a little bit more about Kauai Pharmacy for anyone who 159 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,160 isn't familiar with it. Yeah. 160 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,960 Talk to us kind of about what you guys have going on, what 161 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,840 you've built, what you offer. So Kauai Pharmacy is an herbal 162 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:30,360 medicine farm that started in early like 2012. 163 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:35,400 Thirteen. Somewhere in there we grow plant 164 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:42,760 medicine for teas, salves, serums, oils, tinctures, honey, 165 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,600 hydrosols, so every all different modalities. 166 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,400 And we have over 100 botanicals on the farm. 167 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:56,480 It's a, it's a backyard garden, but you know, on 4 acres and 168 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,120 it's kind of turned into a medicine forest. 169 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,960 It's it's head high and, and above and there's ground covers 170 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:05,560 underneath and it's all medicine. 171 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:11,760 And it's, it may be the in terms of like what it is, it may be 172 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,600 one of the most diverse collections and of medicine on 173 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,120 the planet in terms of, you know, intentional medicine 174 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,880 growing for production. So on the farm, we take these 175 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,240 plants that, you know, it's canopy, it's, you know, tiered. 176 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,120 We're using permaculture systems throughout the throughout our 177 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:33,480 practices. So all the grounds covered and, 178 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,360 and in order to, and then we craft everything on the farm as 179 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,520 well. So we're harvesting all day and 180 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,480 then putting it into our oils and tinctures and, and curing 181 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,680 herbs. So we have big solar dehydrators 182 00:10:44,680 --> 00:10:49,280 in our kitchen. And then we'll do the alchemy as 183 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,320 it relates to the the teas and then package it and ship it 184 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,640 right off the farm. So super fresh. 185 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,760 The alchemy, you know, it's not the big witchcraft that that 186 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,200 people think it is. It's really us getting out of 187 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,280 the way. You know, the plants are 188 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,120 brilliant in their medicine and we use medicines that have been 189 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:12,080 used for thousands of years. So, you know, ginger, turmeric, 190 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:17,840 cinnamon, black pepper, tulsi, lemongrass, those are the 191 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,680 plants. Moringa, soursop leaf, noni 192 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:25,120 leaf, those are the plants. Cacao every, they're, they're 193 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,400 kind of household names for thousands of years. 194 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:32,000 They're what the spice Wars and trades were kind of founded on. 195 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,640 Were these herbs, cardamom, nutmeg. 196 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,760 Yeah, they're all on the farm. So it's amazing. 197 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,800 And. And the, for me, my journey was 198 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:49,040 I was heavier and I started and I came here and I struggled and 199 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,480 I thought I'd just grab a surfboard and like, I had my 200 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,520 finance life and. And that treated me well enough 201 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,680 in my early 30s that I could come here and take some time. 202 00:11:58,680 --> 00:12:01,240 And I thought I was going to live this life. 203 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,760 And next thing you know, my lower back sore and I can't even 204 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,600 hold the surfboard, you know? And I'm trying to go to yoga and 205 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:13,280 to acupuncture and get some willpower, but nothing really. 206 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:19,080 I couldn't really make that much transformation until I found 207 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,800 these teas. So I was making a lemon balm, 208 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,560 tulsi mint sage tea. Wow. 209 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,080 And it was just raw leaves from my backyard garden at a place I 210 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,600 was renting. And we're also using the Noni 211 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:36,320 leaf and I was detoxing and my diet was shifting. 212 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,240 And the alkalinity of the herbs, So we talked about it before, 213 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,320 was the radical alkalinity of these herbal medicines that, you 214 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,000 know, if you look at the pH we're looking for, you know, to 215 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,680 mimic spring water, we're 72% water. 216 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,840 So we want to be in this mid sevens. 217 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,680 So how do we do that when the diet, the American diet's so 218 00:12:56,680 --> 00:13:00,600 acidic, which acids are fine? You know, the, but the, the 219 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:05,120 acids that we consume every day, the, you know, the roasted 220 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:10,800 coffees, the synthetic sugars, the meats, gluten, dairy, 221 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,440 nothing wrong with any of them. It's about balance. 222 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,280 So how do we balance? Well, the herbal medicine is 223 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:24,400 radical alkalinity. It pulls the system to that 7.6 224 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:29,440 pH if you will, and so that we can fall into a beautiful spring 225 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,320 water like pH. So that tea blend that you 226 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,080 mentioned was that instrumental in your healing? 227 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,800 Yeah, so for me, I couldn't like people, like doves from 228 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,120 willpower, Like it doesn't work like that, you know, mind over 229 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:45,600 matter. Like, no, it doesn't. 230 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:47,960 Like maybe for some people it couldn't. 231 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,160 It didn't work for me. You know, I kept eating. 232 00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:52,760 You're like, I was willing myself to feel better and it 233 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,760 didn't work. It didn't work. 234 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,120 Yeah. Do you offer that tea blend now, 235 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:58,920 the same one that like help you we. 236 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,920 Don't for different reasons. We can't grow the sage to that 237 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,960 level. OK, maybe we should do a trade 238 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:06,720 because we we have sage on our farm. 239 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:07,640 Oh. That'd be cool. 240 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,560 Well, yeah, Southern California's a great place to do 241 00:14:09,560 --> 00:14:11,360 all the sage. Yeah, I mean the Mediterranean 242 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,360 herbs that you have in Southern California, that would be a game 243 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,000 changer if people really leaned into the herbal medicine that 244 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,120 can be grown in Southern California, like Rosemary, sage, 245 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,000 lavender. You mentioned those herbs 246 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,040 before. And if people just, I mean, the 247 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:30,840 way they honored those herbal medicines and kept them by the 248 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:35,000 bedside and made tea out of them and had them in ceremonial, you 249 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,920 know, events and experiences, it's they're potent. 250 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,800 So so yeah, for me, the IT became an interceptor. 251 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:46,920 So I was it starting to attract to better foods, right? 252 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:52,120 So once you alkaline the system or become more alkaline, you're 253 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,720 going to be attracted to more alkaline foods, which are 254 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,400 fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds, watery foods, foods that 255 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,880 are mostly water. Fruits are 90% water, vegetables 256 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,920 are 70% water. So we're going to be attracted 257 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,640 to more watery foods, which are much easier to digest, right? 258 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,560 And they're going to hold that ratio of 72% water in terms of 259 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,960 the five elements in the system, right? 260 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:19,920 Fire being 4%, air being 6%, earth being 12%, right? 261 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,160 So when we eat a big bowl of pasta, how do we maintain the 262 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:28,400 72% water ratio when we just eat, we need to drink like 2 263 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:29,760 gallons of water. That's why everyone's carrying 264 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,480 around water bottles. There weren't, people weren't 265 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,120 carrying around water bottles back in the day. 266 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,560 You know, we just grabbed a hose once a day, right? 267 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:39,760 You know, so it wasn't like that. 268 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,720 We're now there's no water in the diet or very little. 269 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,200 And so how do we alkaline the system to be more attracted to 270 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,240 fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds so we can. 271 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,320 So that's what the herbal medicine does for people. 272 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:55,960 I've been fascinated by that lately. 273 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,680 Like hydration is not just about drinking enough water. 274 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:04,840 And like you mentioned, so many of the fruits and vegetables I 275 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,600 love like gel water fruits. I've been really interested in 276 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,760 that lately. And I know Kauai has so many of 277 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:14,880 them, but they're more biocompatible for like more 278 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,960 similar to the water in our bodies. 279 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,240 And therefore, like we need that in order to be adequately 280 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:21,840 hydrated. We can't just It's not just 281 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,720 about drinking a ton of water. Yeah. 282 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,400 I mean, that's that's the easiest way to go is through 283 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,680 those types of foods. You mentioned the term, which I 284 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,240 loved. I think you said medicine 285 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,200 forest. Is that what you said? 286 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:41,320 What would you say to anyone who is skeptical about the healing 287 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:46,760 power of herbs? Yeah, so the reason why they're 288 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:51,360 skeptical, in my opinion, is because they ransacked the Spice 289 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,280 Islands. You know, they, they monocrop, 290 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:59,040 they fertilized, they they made it so that what we what black, 291 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:03,320 the black pepper that exists on the table today isn't medicine 292 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,319 anymore. They used to travel for 18 293 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:09,640 months, 24 months to get black pepper. 294 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:13,079 Christopher Columbus would leave for ginger, black pepper, 295 00:17:13,079 --> 00:17:15,599 cinnamon, allspice. And he'd come back and he'd have 296 00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:20,640 the the loot, he'd have the Hall of Spices and he'd lose half his 297 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,720 men on that ship. And it wasn't the black pepper 298 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:24,839 that's sitting on the table today. 299 00:17:25,319 --> 00:17:29,280 So what we grow and what you can grow in your backyard garden is 300 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,520 true herbal medicine. And that's what, in my opinion, 301 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:39,880 was intended for us to find mindfulness in consciousness in 302 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,080 our lives as a foundation, right? 303 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,280 So once those herbal medicines come in as a foundation of 304 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,680 alkalinity, but also mindfulness and diversity of vitamins and 305 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,680 minerals, the diversity is off the charts. 306 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,080 Like when you start blending cinnamon with allspice and lemon 307 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,560 balm and tulsi, the diversity of vitamins and minerals, just 308 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,520 trust it. Just trust the magnesium, the 309 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:06,880 potassium, the vitamin C, the iron, right? 310 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,400 And, and stop worrying about, oh, I'm deficient in this and 311 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,440 I'm deficient in that. Like just eat purple, green, 312 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:17,000 orange, yellow, blue, rain colors of the rainbow and you 313 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,480 will be fine. It's a lot more simple when you 314 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,960 think about it that way. How, from a medicinal 315 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,600 perspective, how do herbs differ from traditional 316 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,760 pharmaceuticals? Yeah, so they, they keep you, 317 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,360 they keep you honest, you know, self reflection, like you can't 318 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:37,400 hide. You take the herbs and you feel 319 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,600 yourself. So if you want to, if you want 320 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:47,280 to lean into your truth and you want to hold yourself 321 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:53,400 accountable as opposed to play the victim and talk about my 322 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:57,880 knee as if it's not my doing. And a part of the whole system, 323 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,600 right? Everything is connected. 30 lbs 324 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,880 on extra on the knee, but I'm talking about my bad knee as 325 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,880 opposed to my belly. That's £30 extra weight on the 326 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,960 knee that wasn't designed for the 30 lbs. 327 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,320 And so the herbs hold you accountable. 328 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:19,520 So whether you eat poorly or stay up at night or have certain 329 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:23,760 relationships, your consciousness is rising, your 330 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,000 mindfulness is rising, your you're getting more in tune with 331 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,280 your circulation, your diet, your alkalinity. 332 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,320 So that's how it holds you accountable. 333 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,360 And the pharmaceuticals, you know, which are all, again, most 334 00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:38,920 of that's plant medicine, but it's, you know, like opium. 335 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,360 I mean, that's the majority are opiates, but there's others 336 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:50,200 plants and then they just add chemicals and cook them, right? 337 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:57,080 And that puts you in an acidic space and you can't really tell 338 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,200 you're never going to find the root. 339 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,960 Like that's what to me, like it's our responsibility to go 340 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:10,480 back and find the root and just it might take lifetimes. 341 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,280 Yeah, I think we need to see these symptoms that pop up as 342 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:18,360 opportunities to find deeper healing rather than just trying 343 00:20:18,360 --> 00:20:20,040 to make them go away at whatever cost. 344 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:25,600 Yeah, I mean, I the words that we've used to classify, you 345 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:30,280 know, pain and suffering, the the words like, you know, with 346 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:35,800 all respect to like, like cancer, that it's just a bad 347 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,720 thing, you know, and it could be a really, really bad thing going 348 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,280 on. But how do we take 349 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:45,320 responsibility for what we put in our bodies and put in our 350 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,680 mouths? And so the herbal medicine makes 351 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:54,000 you feel it right and hold you accountable and those you know, 352 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,560 and no longer can we play the victim as if, you know, it 353 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,320 happened to me because nothing, it doesn't happen to you. 354 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,880 You you don't, you know, get food poisoning. 355 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,960 You order it off the menu. I love that. 356 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,280 Yeah, we're all active participants in our health. 357 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,480 That's right. What are some herbs that across 358 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,240 the board everybody should be taking? 359 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,520 Well, certainly ginger, you know, for the fire and digestion 360 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:23,320 and metabolism circulation is, you know, it's the most popular 361 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,560 herb in the world ginger on, you know, on the daily. 362 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:31,720 The the yin Yang in the ginger family is turmeric for 363 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:36,120 inflammation, boosting the immune system and and supporting 364 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:39,440 the liver. Those are and also that you know 365 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,200 that root shock or the root herbs are going to really help 366 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,600 with the lowest area in the digestion. 367 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:49,200 Our teas are comprised mostly of you know our Our foundation is 368 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,480 ginger, turmeric, tulsi, which is the elixir of life in 369 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,360 Ayurvedic medicine used for calming of digestion and 370 00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:58,320 respiratory Again, holy basil or tulsi. 371 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,560 What do holy basil and tulsi do? So I said, as I mentioned, 372 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,640 calming of the respiratory and digestion, but it's it's also 373 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:10,560 renowned as the awareness herb and so really help self 374 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,000 reflection and take responsibility. 375 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,760 But you know, the Tulsi was that in that four herb blend that I 376 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,920 initially made, the tulsi helped thin the blood so I could get 377 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,320 some circulation moving. A lot of times we just need a 378 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,440 little support and you know, we, you know, blood thinners. 379 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,360 Well, the herbs are they thin blood, they detox. 380 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,640 So how do they deep? They scrape and they claw right 381 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:39,680 at the toxin. So we're looking to cleanse at 382 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,600 the same time we're looking to starve the toxins. 383 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,440 If we have ailments or cancers or anything of the sorts, we can 384 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,280 come up with thousands of names at this point to describe what 385 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:56,440 it is that we have or, or associate with or identify with 386 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:01,880 in terms of these symptoms. And then the last component is 387 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,600 we want to nourish. So like moringa would be a great 388 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,080 herb to nourish. That's big on the islands, 389 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:08,160 right? Yeah, it's huge. 390 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:11,960 The Filipino community has has brought it here and celebrated 391 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,320 it and made sure that we all it grows really well. 392 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,360 So the the herbs that grow well, easy to harvest, easy to cure, 393 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,640 really easy to drink. And, you know, the side effects 394 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,280 of herbal medicine typically are rest in water, you know, and 395 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,840 when you and breath work, right? Because what happens in, you 396 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,720 know, you can dumb down almost any sickness into hydration, 397 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,160 lower that earth body, right? Lower that food body from 12%. 398 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,160 I mean, from, you know, excessive food body or poisons. 399 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,520 The people are carrying 1518% food body or earth in them when 400 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,800 it should be like 12. So what do we do when we lie in 401 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,480 bed and be sick? We are lowering our food body. 402 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,600 We're typically not eating. We're drinking tons of water. 403 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,280 We're doing all kinds of breath work with all kinds of 404 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,600 respiratory issues that we're being that we're identifying 405 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,080 with. Like literally like breath work, 406 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,720 sometimes for days or weeks or months, people will do and call 407 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:17,080 it pneumonia. And as, and then we, and then we 408 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:23,200 sit with ourselves and we either become aware that we, we created 409 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:28,240 this experience for our own healing, 'cause that's what most 410 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:34,840 times that when, when I get sick or see people that are sick, in 411 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,640 the most instances, it's really their opportunity to heal, 412 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:40,440 right? They're taking a break, they're 413 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,840 taking care of themselves. They're lying in bed, they're 414 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,400 resting, they're drinking water, they're doing breath work. 415 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,240 So are you saying that people get to that point or the body 416 00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:55,160 forces you kind of to reach that point of sickness so that it can 417 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:56,760 do some deeper healing? It's. 418 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,480 Been sick? Yeah, and it's. 419 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,800 Just been numbing and numbing and the body says no more. 420 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:10,680 You will lie in your bed, you will breathe and you will drink 421 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:15,400 water and maybe juice and, you know, hopefully get some tea in 422 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,680 you at some point, you know, but that's and and detox you're 423 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,960 going to the bathroom a lot right at that point. 424 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,640 And and ideally you, you sit in it long enough where you can 425 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,720 find alignment. But we also find ourselves rush 426 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,640 to get back to work, rush to get back to our responsibilities. 427 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,480 So it's really, it can be really elusive. 428 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,880 Big perspective shift when you think about sickness in that 429 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,080 way. You mentioned moringa. 430 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,480 What is the nutritional profile of Moringa? 431 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,200 Yeah. So it's, it's got pretty much 432 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,000 every amino acid, positive amino acid that you can find. 433 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,000 It's got more calcium pound for pound than milk. 434 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,200 It's got more potassium pound for pound than banana. 435 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:01,200 I mean the list goes on and on. In terms of nourishment in 436 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:07,600 Africa, it's given to Mamas that are breastfeeding, pregnant 437 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:12,520 Mamas as well. So in terms of anyone looking 438 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:20,000 for plant based muscle, that would be the the plant would be 439 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,040 Moringa. Yeah, if you're looking for 440 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,960 plant based muscle. Which herbs have the best skin 441 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,840 healing nutrients or benefits? Yeah, so the my favorite oil in 442 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,760 the world is Kikui nut oil. I like Kikui nut. 443 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,080 We use that in a few of our products. 444 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:36,680 It's got the, it's the candle nut. 445 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,880 So it burns for minutes on end. The nut itself, that's the the 446 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,520 oil. So the consistency or the 447 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,480 characteristics of that oil will burn of hold of fire. 448 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,560 They used to say I'll be back in a couple of nuts and they would 449 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,000 light the nut on fire and then you'd know that, you know, in a 450 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,160 couple minutes they'll be back. The Hawaii, this is the 451 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,360 Hawaiians. They brought it over on the 452 00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:57,520 canoe. So it was one of the canoe 453 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:02,160 plants. So I love the I love that for 454 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,680 the skin. I love calendula infused in the 455 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,840 Kikui. I love the blue butterfly pea 456 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,040 that we have here for the skin. How do you how do you use this? 457 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,040 We have it infused in one of our oils. 458 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,320 OK, yeah, I, I'm one of those. I love the Noni. 459 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:18,720 Right. So the Noni fruit. 460 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,280 Oh, I want to talk about. Yeah, Aloe, I would. 461 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:27,600 I in, I in like, like to submerge myself in plant 462 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,960 medicine. So I'm certainly one of those 463 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,400 that like wants to rub everything from clay to 464 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:40,600 macadamia, that oil to flowers on me and see what happens. 465 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,880 Tell us a little bit more about Noni, because I lived with a 466 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,720 Samoan family for a little while in high school and they drank 467 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,000 Noni juice. And every time I come to Kauai, 468 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,640 I just feel like, OK, I've got to got to get some Noni. 469 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,480 And I've seen it in like dried fruit leather form, in juice 470 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,840 form. Tell us a little bit about like 471 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,160 the different forms of noni, different types of noni, and 472 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:07,680 what it all does. So noni, NONI and most people it 473 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,840 comes in from the fruit in most products. 474 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,840 We on the farm utilize it mostly with the leaf, but we also have 475 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,520 a few product. We have a cleanse formula where 476 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,360 we use the fruit and we have a honey. 477 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:23,680 The fruit is difficult to get through the flavor of it. 478 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,920 They have a juice, they ferment the fruit in a juice and it kind 479 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,560 of looks like brain and it tastes like fermented cheese. 480 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:31,720 Like it's, it's pretty. It's. 481 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,080 Really potent. I don't mind it, but I know a 482 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,120 lot of people can't stand it. Yeah, it's tough to like, we 483 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,480 were going to have like a Noni eating contest at one point. 484 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,720 It would be pretty funny. But the leaf is more palatable 485 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,520 and in my opinion, a little more sustainable, more balanced. 486 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,120 We use mostly leaves on the farm to make our teas. 487 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,360 Does it have similar benefits? I find it, but more I find it to 488 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:56,160 have similar benefits, but not as potent or acute, right? 489 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,000 So the, a lot of the medicines like if it's acute, it has acute 490 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,960 power, we have to kind of dilute it, if you will, with other 491 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,680 herbs like lemongrass and turmeric and ginger that are 492 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,760 going to be more tonicy in their delivery and more daily 493 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,480 consumption herbs. So the noni's going to, you 494 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,920 know, I think if, if there's one word to describe noni, I'd say 495 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,320 circulation, right? Because like in the body, you 496 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,360 just want circulation, right? That's going to bring you 497 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,760 vitality, right? And that's going to help move 498 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,720 things around and keep anything from being stagnant, right? 499 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,680 So the Noni's really strong circulation. 500 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:41,960 It's very cleansing, detoxing. So anyone looking to get to, to 501 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,760 par, if you will, like once you've cleansed, I think Noni's 502 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:50,760 one of those plants where we're kind of taking with a little 503 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,040 more mindfulness in terms of how much because we've done the 504 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,760 cleansing, we we're now looking for more nourishment through our 505 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,400 foods, right. But I look at herbal medicine, 506 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,440 like when I say foundational, I don't really consume a lot of 507 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,320 herbal medicine anymore. I've done that work in my life. 508 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:11,680 So now I get my medicine through my food and my nutrition and I 509 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,720 find myself still, I still have plenty of battles with going 510 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,240 below. You're dipping below par in 511 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,080 terms of energy levels. But yeah, the noni's going to 512 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,960 help circulate and detox in like a very profound way. 513 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,960 And ideally we have this Noni in the retreat centers and the yoga 514 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,160 studios and the hospitals. And it needs to because it's so 515 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,160 versatile too. There's, I mean, if you ask me 516 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,400 what do I do for this? I would say this, Oh, Noni and 517 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,960 turmeric. I would just say it and I'd be 518 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,960 pretty much 100% confident that whatever you have, with the 519 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,240 exception of maybe if it goes in your eyes, noni and turmeric 520 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,520 will be bull's eyes. Now there's other herbs that are 521 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:58,640 great too, but those two will help cleanse, ground the system, 522 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,440 circulate alkaline it, clean the liver. 523 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,520 So those are good for anyone who is kind of like new to all of 524 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,600 this and just wanting to get to a good spot. 525 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,800 Yes, noni and turmeric and ginger would be ideal. 3 herbs 526 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,040 externally and internally. What about specifically for 527 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,200 detoxification? What are the some of the most 528 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:24,040 detoxifying herbs? So detoxifying of the of the 529 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,880 organs versus detoxifying of our like joints, right? 530 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,000 So people wanted to, I think mostly they think about the 531 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,960 organs, right. So I would say for the organs, I 532 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,760 like soursop leaf for the colon and the intestines. 533 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,200 Again, the noni's going to be great for the whole organ 534 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,920 system. The turmeric for the liver as I 535 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,720 mentioned. And then the ginger is going to 536 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,200 increase the fire. So we'll be able to, to burn, 537 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,520 you know, the foods and the thoughts. 538 00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:01,760 And I mentioned moringa soursop. I like Mulberry leaf for 539 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:07,080 balancing blood sugars. I like papaya leaf for for 540 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,760 cleansing. So papaya leaf is going to be 541 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:15,040 kind of the pro prebiotic, so really help bring in the enzymes 542 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,160 to break stuff down. And I you know, I if Joe the 543 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,240 list of lemon bombs going to calm the system. 544 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:26,280 It just, it really moving through the, the diversity is 545 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,360 ideal because some people the lemon bombs going to calm the 546 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,560 system and all they need is a deep breath, right? 547 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,720 Where other people need kind of more, more aggressive or more 548 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,360 acute medicine like like turmeric might be more 549 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,280 aggressive on the liver where the lemon balm's going to help 550 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,120 you get a good night's sleep. And a lot of times, you know, so 551 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,040 often, like with let's say, for example, a respiratory issue, 552 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,160 all we're looking to do is is try and find that one breath. 553 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,640 Once we catch the one breath, then we can get the second 554 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,560 breath right. So like a lemon balm or a tulsi. 555 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,360 Tulsi is very calming as well. And I feel like I want like an 556 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,680 herb pharmacy at my house and I want to have you on speed dial 557 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,040 just to ask you like, OK, I'm feeling this way. 558 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,480 What should I take? But I would imagine like 559 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,480 eventually it kind of becomes second nature figuring it all 560 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,480 out and deciding like what you need in each moment. 561 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:23,120 Yeah, I mean, backyard, backyard gardening is, is old times, you 562 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,280 know, like, and if and if you keep it simple, if all you have 563 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,920 is mint, you know, in Morocco, that's, that's their medicine, 564 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,560 the mint, right. So where's the mint in, in our 565 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,960 culture? Where is it in, you know, 566 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,280 breakfast, lunch and dinner? Where's the lemongrass in our 567 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,120 soups, right. So it's, it's way simpler. 568 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,280 And obviously the mainland, it's tough to grow roots like ginger 569 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,960 and turmeric. So you grow what you can grow. 570 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,800 And, and in Southern California, the Rosemary, like I mentioned 571 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,280 in, in, you know, the Mediterranean in Roman times, 572 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:57,440 the most powerful empire in the world, you know, they were, they 573 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:02,520 were bowing to Rosemary, lavender, thyme, sage, and those 574 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,040 plants alone can, can do wonders for our culture. 575 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,719 OK. You brought you brought the 576 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,600 cacao plant and we were trying it earlier. 577 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:16,560 So this is what This is where chocolate comes from, correct? 578 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,360 Correct. So that's called cacao. 579 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:25,280 It's a This is a cacao pod and I sliced it down the middle I. 580 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,800 Never would have thought it that this is what it looks like. 581 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,080 Yeah, it does. It's it's not something that 582 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,159 people see every day. Yeah. 583 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:37,400 Can you explain just like this? What do you call this that I'm 584 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,600 holding right now? So that is a cacao bean or a 585 00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:43,080 cacao seed. And what do you call like the 586 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,560 filmy squishy part around it? We call it the nectar of the 587 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,840 Yeah, but it's. A chocolate is made out of the 588 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,760 bean itself. They ferment so they I am not a 589 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,920 fermenting. I don't know much about 590 00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,640 fermentation, but I'll give you what I know. 591 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,480 They ferment this in banana leaves for weeks on end. 592 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,360 Most of the cacao is coming, I believe from the African, from 593 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,800 the Ivory Coast. And so they'll, they'll ferment 594 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,320 this in banana leaves for weeks. And a lot of that fermentation 595 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,520 process, I believe is to preserve it, but it's also for 596 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,760 flavor. So when you ferment it, I mean, 597 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,840 I, we just put it in, we just cure it like immediately out of 598 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,320 the pod and try and preserve the original intention. 599 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,680 Because obviously when you ferment something, you know, 600 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,320 there's stages of taking a fruit, then you ferment it and 601 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,480 that's what forms different stages of, of fruit products, 602 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:48,880 which include vinegar, wine, alcohol, right? 603 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,400 Those are all different stages of fruit products. 604 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,840 So the fermentation process moves through those different 605 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,880 fruit products. And what are the benefits of 606 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,200 just eating it raw like we were doing earlier? 607 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,280 It's the perfect blend. The squishy nectar part is like 608 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:11,040 so sweet and then the the bean is bitter but all combined it's 609 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,480 like a great snack. Like I would just chow down on 610 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,840 this. It's really nourishing, Yeah. 611 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:24,400 So I understand it to have all three carbohydrates, fats and 612 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,000 protein, which very rare. I don't really know any plant. 613 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,320 I'm sure they are. I just don't know them. 614 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,560 So that in of itself does make it a true superfood, like a food 615 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,560 of the gods, that in of itself but the jewel of the garden, or 616 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,080 that if there's two jewels, they would be magnesium and 617 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,160 manganese. And this plant, as far as whole 618 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,320 magnesium, I don't know of another plant in the garden. 619 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,480 You can see it from this like kind of red yellow vibe, the 620 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,080 magnesium shining through. Oh, that's the magnesium that 621 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,200 gives it that hue from. What I understand, yeah. 622 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,000 Yeah. Who, like you, just want a lot 623 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,880 of magnesium. Almost everyone's deficient in 624 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,880 it. Yeah, well, it's like saying 625 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,440 you're deficient in gold. You know, it's like the most 626 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,560 like you must want a lot of magnesium. 627 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:14,880 Yeah. Or deficient in iron. 628 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,000 People say that, you know, you're deficient in iron. 629 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,360 Like maybe like, yeah, I want a lot of iron too. 630 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,400 You know, like Superman wants iron, right. 631 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,600 Everyone wants iron and magnesium. 632 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,440 So instead of like just flipping that story like I'm deficient, 633 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,520 like I just ideally it's. Good for us. 634 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,760 It's so good for us that we want a lot of iron and we need a lot 635 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,000 of and magnesium is a, is a jewel. 636 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,040 Like if we can put magnesium in our bodies, then we're just 637 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,880 grateful and thankful we're we're not. 638 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:48,400 I think it's the 5th or 6th most if the body, the earth elements 639 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,160 12% calcium, I think is 1% of the body. 640 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,160 What calcium is the #1 mineral in the world? 641 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,040 I'm sorry, in the body, most prominent mineral. 642 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,120 And I think magnesium might be 345 somewhere in there. 643 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,640 And you were touching on earlier too, about the benefits of 644 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,960 consuming magnesium in whole food form versus supplementing 645 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:13,040 with it and kind of like how it it's more synergistic with, you 646 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:18,400 know, how it was meant to exist in the natural world versus 647 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,280 being like extracted. Yeah, there's information in 648 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,240 these plants. You know, there's like profound 649 00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:28,880 information that's well beyond the scientific, you know, 650 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,840 constructs that we can imagine in our little minds, right, that 651 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,600 we think we've like broken down the nourishment in that plan. 652 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,640 We have no clue. Yeah, there's way more to the 653 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,840 picture. It's way bigger and epic. 654 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,560 And so when we can find an experience, what is called 655 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,640 magnesium in holistic form in the food, and that includes our 656 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,880 whole diet, like if we can find our nourishment through Whole 657 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,240 Foods and not through supplements, if you will, that 658 00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:03,760 have been extracted, right? Because theoretically, I don't 659 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:04,520 know. I just don't know where they 660 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,800 would find extract magnesium. You'd have to go to like some 661 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,640 pretty valuable earth and just extract it. 662 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,840 And then you're giving it out. And it seems cheap the way they 663 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,160 sell it. Like, I don't know. 664 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,760 Yeah, but it's this is, this is. So interesting to me because I 665 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:25,160 do take supplements personally and I wish that I could consume 666 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,240 these nutrients more often in whole food forms. 667 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,120 But like with this, for example, how would someone like maybe in 668 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,240 Southern California like me or somewhere else that where cacao 669 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:40,560 is not grown? Like how would you suggest that 670 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,600 that we can like still benefit from the whole food form of 671 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,240 magnesium or any other nutrient? Like if the access isn't there 672 00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:50,360 as much like do we need to, are we not looking in the right 673 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,080 places? How do we approach that? 674 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,400 It's a good question. You know, I don't, I don't 675 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,280 necessarily have the clear answer for that. 676 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,360 There's great magnesium products out there. 677 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,640 I'm not going to say there aren't there's I mean, you know, 678 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,960 when you use it, you feel good from using it. 679 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,720 So I think we just do the best we can, you know, and what? 680 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,560 About chocolate, does does like actual chocolate still have some 681 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,120 of that bio available magnesium of? 682 00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:22,640 Course, I think what we want to do is, is get ourselves to the 683 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,280 point where we know those answers. 684 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,480 Yeah. So we need a lot of things when 685 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,600 we when we're constantly trying to consume a lot of things. 686 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,480 Thoughts. Like slowing down, learning more 687 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,640 about what your body needs, tuning into that, and like 688 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,880 actually slowing down enough to feel the difference of the 689 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,400 different, like supplements or herbs that we're taking in. 690 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,880 But when we're constantly just in consumption, consumption, 691 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,120 consumption mode, it's like hard to even tell what's going on. 692 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,600 So, so lowering our consumption, this aspect of healing that 693 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,880 we've all been kind of thrown into, which is what do we put in 694 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,640 our mouth to heal? What do we put in our mouth to 695 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,920 heal? Is there has to be the polarity 696 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:11,240 of that or even is what? How do we sit in stillness, 697 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,360 right? How do we stop the consumption? 698 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,960 How do we sit in stillness and silence? 699 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,800 And when we lower our consumption and our production 700 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:26,840 stays, stays on par, all that we gain all that, right? 701 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,600 We're not becoming a lost art, just having the ability to do 702 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,280 that. To drop our consumption, yeah, 703 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,720 to sit in stillness and silence, specifically our thoughts, 704 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,360 right, because those can be so draining and our and our 705 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,720 emotions that are attached to those thoughts can drain us. 706 00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:45,480 You know, why are we so tired typically? 707 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:50,200 Because what I experience is I exhaust myself in my mind. 708 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,640 Yeah, I mean, I found myself this last week. 709 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:57,800 I was just listening to so many podcasts and eventually I'm just 710 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,240 like, this isn't I'm not enjoying this anymore. 711 00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:04,040 And I think it's because I've been like over consuming 712 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,160 information and I just need to to chill and like sit with 713 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,720 myself instead. But it's uncomfortable when 714 00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:12,520 you're like, used to living a fast-paced life. 715 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,320 And it's like something that I have to intentionally, like, 716 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,520 remind myself to do. Even just going for walks. 717 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,720 It's like, so easy to just put on a podcast and, you know, 718 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,640 going from one thing to the next and then work and being with the 719 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,200 kids. And it's like, why not just walk 720 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,800 with nothing? It's yeah, it, it doesn't always 721 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,040 come naturally, but I think it's really important. 722 00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:39,360 Leaning into the being right. So like when we go for that 723 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,000 walk, we could experience a podcast that's going to 724 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,600 cultivate a lot of joy. Totally. 725 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,280 Sometimes it's the right mood. Totally. 726 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,760 Yeah, there's some podcasts out there like that. 727 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,400 That's exactly what I needed to hear. 728 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:51,760 Especially if it's grounded Wellness. 729 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,760 Exactly. And it's true that like there 730 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,240 are things that you're in alignment with. 731 00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:02,240 So it's about. So can we trust that joy that 732 00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:08,480 we're cultivating to find our alignment as opposed to our our 733 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:13,080 mental trying to figure it out? Like can we, if I, if I'd listen 734 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,000 to this podcast, this podcast and that podcast, then there's. 735 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,760 So much information out there, I have to learn it all and retain 736 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,760 it. All if we can lean into the joy 737 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,640 of the experience, then the podcasts are going to find us in 738 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,760 theory, right? And they'll be easy to discern, 739 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,040 right. So the more joy that we're 740 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:36,480 experiencing and trusting that joy that it's going to, that's 741 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:43,120 going to allow us to, to find more abundance within ourselves. 742 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,160 And then the alignment that we talked about earlier, like 743 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,320 finding the podcasts that are for us, like really for us, 744 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,880 they're, they're synergistic, like the synergy. 745 00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:00,400 So that's another piece of, of sitting in silence and stillness 746 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:05,560 and dropping our consumption. We're able to, to find an 747 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:11,440 experience and, and observe and play witness to the, the 748 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,320 synergistic aspects of our experience, right? 749 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,440 Because once this, once those come through the 750 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,840 synchronicities, you know, once the synchronicities come 751 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,280 through, then we're styling, right? 752 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,520 You're just, you don't have to think about anything, right? 753 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,040 It's just all synchronicities everywhere, right? 754 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,880 I mean, this only happened, I got a call last week. 755 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,920 This is super synchronistic. I know. 756 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,720 I love how this worked out. Yeah. 757 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,520 I'm curious, what is the biggest or craziest transformation that 758 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,040 either you have experienced personally or that you've seen 759 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,680 someone else experience from the healing power of herbs? 760 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:53,880 I, I can't say it's, it's all that like glamour, glamour, it's 761 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,520 just not. But everyone that comes to the 762 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:03,520 farm that works on the farm has what I would construe or 763 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,400 describe as an enlightening experience at some level. 764 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,640 So, you know, getting rid of the blockages, getting rid of the 765 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:15,840 excess and and finding you know more of who they are. 766 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,280 That's a huge contrast with people who work on conventional 767 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:21,520 farms. I mean, they are some of the 768 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,480 most sick people, most riddled with disease because they're 769 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,840 constantly in contact with these chemicals that have been proven 770 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,800 to not be safe for humans. But that's their job and they're 771 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:38,760 forced to to work with them, so I would imagine that being in a 772 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,120 farm like yours would allow for so much more healing and peace. 773 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,040 Yeah, so much of our mission is about creating an economy that 774 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,920 works for people. You know, we, we have a 775 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,320 responsibility as humans to create work for ourselves that 776 00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,360 is in alignment with the culture that we want to experience. 777 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,960 So how do we do that? How do we create jobs and work 778 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,440 that people in like really enjoy and can heal and can show up and 779 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,720 be themselves? And yeah, the, the, the way we 780 00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:15,760 farm right now is not ideal for, for that. 781 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,840 And, and a lot of the economy is not ideal for people to find 782 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:24,800 jobs that allow them to heal and, and dissolve their issues 783 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:29,200 and, and evolve. What makes the soil in Kauai so 784 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,560 special? You know, I don't really know 785 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,800 that answer everything. What doesn't make it special? 786 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,600 Everything, I mean, all the, all the minerals and nutrients are 787 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,560 in that volcanic soil. You know, we talked about 788 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,960 magnesium, calcium, phosphorus. I mean, there's aspects of, you 789 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,760 know, it's a tropical environment. 790 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,440 I think it's a it's really a question of going with it 791 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:56,240 meaning, you know, we can grow amazing fruit and we can grow 792 00:46:56,240 --> 00:47:00,360 amazing herbal medicine. Some of the vegetables require 793 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,640 amendments. So we, a lot of vegetable 794 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,440 farmers bring on amendments and I understand that because what 795 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:08,840 does? That mean what's an amendment? 796 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,080 Different types of minerals that they need to add to the soil. 797 00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:15,920 It's also because they they're growing on scale. 798 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,000 Like if we had a backyard garden, they wouldn't need an 799 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,280 amendments, you know, we would just need compost that comes 800 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,320 from the garden. So what makes it so special? 801 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,640 It's it, you know, on the North Shore here it's, it's, it's 802 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,080 super rootsy, it's diverse, it's jungly, it's got all the 803 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,400 minerals and vitamins that I love to experience. 804 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:40,040 So I feel the nourishment when I consume the Kauai grown soil 805 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,760 through the plants. Are you barefoot on your farm? 806 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,920 Often no. I wear boots, yeah. 807 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,920 I protect my feet. A lot of people are barefoot, 808 00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:52,840 but I I've had my feet kind of beaten up through different 809 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,560 things on the farm, so I do wear boots on the. 810 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,600 Farm probably the best soil to ground on though for sure. 811 00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,640 Do you see a parallel between the microbiome of the soil and 812 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,440 the microbiome of the gut or the human body? 813 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:08,040 Yeah, it's one and the same. That's what we what we consume 814 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,200 through our soil is what we experience in our gut. 815 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,720 For anyone listening who may not have access to land, what's 1 816 00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:19,680 simple practice that they can implement to reconnect to 817 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,520 nature? Well, we talked about drinking 818 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,520 lemon balm tea, mint tea. So at the farmers market, you 819 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,840 know, going to your farmer markets and and buying what 820 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,120 attracts you and then consuming it in simple form, whether it's 821 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,840 raw tomatoes or cucumbers or big salads. 822 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:43,480 So remember, yeah, putting that nature within you, obviously as 823 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:51,200 much ocean and mountain hiking and fresh air, all the things 824 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,360 that we all know, just making sure that we hold ourselves 825 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:59,080 accountable and and being in nature as much as possible. 826 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,920 You are raising your family on this land. 827 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,920 What do you hope that your children or any future 828 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,520 generations of herbalists will do to carry out your work into 829 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,160 the future? Honoring the plants is, you 830 00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:20,040 know, a humbling act. It's and it and it drives 831 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,360 connection. It drives connection to other 832 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,200 humans, it drives connection to the land. 833 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:32,280 So fostering that, fostering this plant revolution, if you 834 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:38,160 will, where our economy is based on it, our lifestyles are based 835 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:42,320 on it, our housing is we live amongst the plants and we as a 836 00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:47,120 result, we connect with the land and we have what in Hawaii they 837 00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:52,680 refer to as Kuleana responsibility for and they call 838 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,240 Malama Aina. So Kuleana responsibility and 839 00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:59,080 malama Aina would be care for the land. 840 00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,840 So responsibility for the land. And then as we care for it, it 841 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,520 cares for us. And it's easier said than done, 842 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:10,360 but it requires connection. And so that connection is so 843 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,280 like for me, it's been a gnarly experience. 844 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:20,800 Like I've been just like, no, I don't want to connect, you know, 845 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,400 No, you will connect, right? Like I told you, I dug the hole, 846 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,280 you know, we dug this hole and it's like forces connection and 847 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:29,960 you're like, it's enough connection. 848 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,360 It hurts. You're in it. 849 00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:32,960 It hurts, yeah. No. 850 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,960 Connect deeper. And so that connection holds 851 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,840 responsibility, right? And that's that responsibility, 852 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,360 like allows us to be responsible for everything and everyone. 853 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,000 Not just the little things around us, not just our little 854 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,480 families, but everything and everyone. 855 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,280 Once we find that Kuleana and that Malama Aina, then we're 856 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,480 responsible for everything. Doug, thank you so much. 857 00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,040 This conversation has been so insightful and I can't wait to 858 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,120 incorporate some of these herbs into my daily routine going 859 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,360 forward. Where can people find you and 860 00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:09,320 learn more about Kauai Pharmacy? So we have a website 861 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:21,760 www.kawaiipharmacy.com, so KAUAIFARMAC, y.com and that has 862 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,760 all kinds of information and has all our products there. 863 00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,840 And then we have a YouTube as well as Instagram. 864 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:32,440 As you would imagine, Hawaii Pharmacy T is our Instagram and 865 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,920 tomorrow we're going to see you on the farm as well too. 866 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,160 So you can come see us, if you can find us on Kauai. 867 00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,680 We're on the North Shore in Kilauea and we do do tours and 868 00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,760 such. So if people want to come along 869 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,240 with us and tour Kauai Pharmacy, they can check that out on the 870 00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:48,360 vlog, LinkedIn, our show notes. Awesome. 871 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,360 And just if you begin to use like the tea, for example, the 872 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:57,240 Super foods, once they're within you, all this information that 873 00:51:57,240 --> 00:52:03,400 I'm sharing is kind of not that it's much more impressive to 874 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,960 experience the plants and it's it's profound. 875 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:09,840 Thanks, Doug. Thank you so much. 876 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,040 It's been an honor. Yeah. 877 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,120 Thank you so much for tuning in. If you enjoyed this 878 00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,320 conversation, make sure to follow Grounded Wellness on 879 00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,840 Spotify and Apple Podcasts, or subscribe to our YouTube 880 00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:21,320 channel.