1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,000 Hi, welcome back to Crosstalk Podcast. 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:02,680 I'm Tomia. Hi. 3 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,240 I'm Andrea. I have understand question for. 4 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:06,840 You all right? What is it? 5 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:11,440 Are you good at keeping secrets? Oh, sometimes yes, sometimes no. 6 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,400 Why? It's because this question is 7 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,840 related to today's episode. OK. 8 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,320 It depends on the secret, like what the what it is and it 9 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,560 depends on who. OK. 10 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,040 But yes, actually there are some secrets that I have never told 11 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:26,960 anyone. OK? 12 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:28,720 Not mine, not mine. Other people. 13 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,640 Secrets I never told anyone else. 14 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:31,600 OK. Yeah, yeah. 15 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,920 So I'm not good at to keeping to my secrets. 16 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,920 OK, you know I can't do a poker fees. 17 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,800 No, I don't think you can actually. 18 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:42,840 Yeah, it's. But you don't. 19 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,160 Lie. I've never seen you lie. 20 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:46,480 Right, right, right. If you if you were to try to 21 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:48,600 lie, I would probably know, yeah. 22 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,400 Yeah, You know, sometimes I happen to watch poker game TV. 23 00:00:53,480 --> 00:00:56,160 Yeah, and I'm start imagining this. 24 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,400 Can I do a poker face? Can you? 25 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,960 I don't think so. Yeah. 26 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:03,800 It's hard. It's. 27 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:04,840 Hard to do. It's hard. 28 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:06,520 Yeah. So I'm not sure I can do it 29 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:13,600 poker face either. Right, especially when you are 30 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,800 almost win $1,000,000. Right. 31 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,400 Oh, I'm sure I have a tell. I'm sure I would give something 32 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:21,000 away. Yeah. 33 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,600 Yeah, it's hard, Yeah. It is. 34 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,920 So today we got a topic request from our listener Yuisan. 35 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:30,320 Oh, OK. Great. 36 00:01:30,320 --> 00:01:34,080 Thank you, Yuisan. She says that in Japan we have a 37 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,520 kokuhaku culture. OK. 38 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:37,800 Yeah. Yeah, I'm aware. 39 00:01:37,960 --> 00:01:42,160 It's like a dating contract. You must say please be my 40 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,880 girlfriend to actually start a relationship. 41 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,280 Oh, OK. So how would you say that in 42 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:52,080 Japanese? There's many ways to say, but 43 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,960 the most typical one is Skeptic Rasai Oh. 44 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:56,840 OK, I see. OK. 45 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,520 Without these words, you are just friends. 46 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,520 OK, so unless one person says to the other person, Skeptic Rasai, 47 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,520 then there's nothing. It's just friendship, right? 48 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:07,400 I see. I see. 49 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:12,080 And UE Sons, British friends, says they don't do this. 50 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,920 British people don't. British people don't. 51 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,200 OK. They just become a couple 52 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,600 naturally. Oh, your son wants to know, 53 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,600 Anderson. How do Americans know there are 54 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:29,560 a couple without koku haku, A formal confession? 55 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:34,040 I see. That's a really difficult 56 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,160 question because I'm a little bit older. 57 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:41,560 But so back when I was young, back in the day, bazillion years 58 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:47,400 ago, people did like you would. You would ask someone, will you 59 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,840 go with me? Will you go with me? 60 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,440 Yeah, or let's go together. Yeah, not where, not where. 61 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,760 It's this. This is like, let's go as a 62 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,920 couple, right, Let's go as a couple. 63 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:03,160 OK, so that means that means like skeptical to say, right, 64 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,200 let's go together or will you go with me? 65 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,240 Right. But, but recently, I don't know, 66 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:12,520 I feel like the British friend said, you know, like in Britain 67 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,360 they just become a couple naturally. 68 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,080 I, I think it's similar in America now too. 69 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,240 And then it's not clear, right? Sometimes it's not clear. 70 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,480 Yes, of course. Right. 71 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:28,680 So like with not young people, but like, you know, adults. 72 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:37,600 If you're dating, unless you specifically say I'm only dating 73 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:43,400 you, I only want to date you, then it's it's not really a 74 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,640 contract like you could date other people unless someone says 75 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,920 something like that. You know, OK, but. 76 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,680 Yeah, you could be a couple, but not exclusive. 77 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,280 OK, Is that a is this a Gen. Z thing? 78 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:01,720 I think it's yeah, probably Gen. Gen. 79 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,160 Z. Gen. 80 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:04,800 Y, Gen. Z, Yeah. 81 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,800 Something. So I think, yeah, like in my 82 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:13,680 day, we did have more like a formal, not a confession, but a 83 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,320 formal request. Request, yeah. 84 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,959 To to be a girlfriend, your boyfriend. 85 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,280 But recently it seems to be a bit more natural and, you know, 86 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:25,560 sometimes a bit unclear. The most typical one is, as you 87 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,720 said, we will go with me. Yeah. 88 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,000 That's, I mean, honestly that that sounds like junior high 89 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,720 high school. It sounds a bit young. 90 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,560 It sounds like young people. I think older people like in 91 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,400 their 20s and 30s don't say that. 92 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,760 They would say, you know, I just I only want to see you or I only 93 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,920 want to date you. Is that OK? 94 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,280 Is that OK? Yeah. 95 00:04:45,280 --> 00:04:46,480 And then you talk about it, right? 96 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:47,800 You discuss it. Yes or no. 97 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:48,800 And why? Why not? 98 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,240 You know, it's a big discussion. So. 99 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:52,680 Yeah. It's not just a one, yes or no. 100 00:04:55,280 --> 00:04:59,920 It's more complicated, Yeah. I think I did Koku Haku few 101 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:03,040 times when I was younger. OK. 102 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,800 Right, some sometimes worked, sometimes did not. 103 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,800 OK, so when it did not work, I'm sure you were disappointed. 104 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,280 Of course, everyone was disappointed. 105 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:13,000 Yeah. Right. 106 00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:18,480 OK, Sony. Yeah, but I think the older you 107 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,640 get, let's we do it. Yeah, Let's you do it, Probably, 108 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:27,200 yeah. And plus, I actually enjoy being 109 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,880 alone these days. OK, I do too. 110 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,040 And so. I'm not single, but I enjoy 111 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:36,520 being alone. Yeah, and it's been years since 112 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,840 I've done this Koku Haku. OK, Yeah. 113 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,640 OK, this kokua culture for especially younger people I 114 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,000 think. Yeah, it seems to be that way in 115 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,960 the. West also yes. 116 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:52,560 For younger people, yeah. Or have a discussion about it. 117 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,400 It's a good question, though, because it is. 118 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:02,080 It is one of those things that's very different depending on 119 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,520 culture. And, you know, I'm married. 120 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,720 I'm not single anymore, but I read on social media like some 121 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,840 young girls, some young women who I don't know personally, but 122 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:18,560 they're in a group that I'm in and they're dating Japanese 123 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,800 guys. And their question is always 124 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,200 like, how do I know if we're a couple? 125 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,840 How do I know if he likes me or not? 126 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:27,640 And then this is the answer, right? 127 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,240 This is the answer. This is the answer, yes. 128 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:35,840 If he didn't, if he didn't tell you, Ski Dio or Ski have to go 129 00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:38,480 to size and you're not a couple, you're just friends. 130 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,840 You're just friends. That's the answer. 131 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,400 Yeah, it's, it's hard to know if this person like me or not. 132 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,240 Yeah. It is hard to know. 133 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,520 And there's a many song involved, kind of a Coco haka 134 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,640 phrases. Yeah, actually, like a lot of 135 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,120 love songs probably have this, I'm guessing. 136 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:00,960 Yeah, Yeah. So the most iconic 1 is for me 137 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:05,480 from at least for my generation, the Aerosmith. 138 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:07,560 Aerosmith. Oh yeah, I actually like 139 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,120 Aerosmith. Yeah, I don't want to miss a 140 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,280 thing that's. Actually a good song, yeah. 141 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,280 Do you like this song? Do you know this song? 142 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,600 I do and I like Aerosmith. They usually do like pretty fast 143 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,880 hard metal, but this is one of their love songs and it's 144 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,680 actually really nice. Yeah. 145 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,080 Steven Tyler, he's the lead singer. 146 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,920 He actually has a good voice. Yeah, he's ugly as sin, but he's 147 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:36,600 got a great voice. Yeah, he has a very iconic face. 148 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,720 You know, he does. And actually he's had a lot of 149 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,320 girlfriends and wives. He's got a lot of kids, really 150 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,920 gets a lot of girlfriends, probably from this line. 151 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,000 Yeah, yeah. I don't know, but around this 152 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:55,080 era many Hard Rock bands released this kind of a romantic 153 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,520 yeah love song. Yeah, like a love ballad. 154 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,000 Yeah, that's true. That's true. 155 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:00,080 Yeah. Yeah, they did. 156 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:05,200 Like the one of the example is from Mr. Big. 157 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,400 Yeah, they're kind of a rock band too, aren't they? 158 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,760 Yeah, they are. They have released to be. 159 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,120 With you to be with you. Yeah, yeah, this is. 160 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:18,000 Also a nice song. Yes, Extreme released the modern 161 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,560 wars. Yeah, which is also a great 162 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,680 song. All these, all these love songs 163 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,280 from the 80s and 90s are wonderful. 164 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,360 Yeah. I'm just trying to think, did 165 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,600 Bon Jovi have a love song? They probably did. 166 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,680 Bon Jovi? I think so. 167 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,720 What is Bon Jovi that song? Because Bon Jovi is actually 168 00:08:36,039 --> 00:08:37,480 Jon. Bon Jovi is the lead singer. 169 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,600 He's actually a really nice guy, really nice person. 170 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,720 That one's popular. What's that one? 171 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,640 I'll be there for you that. Could be for friendship, though 172 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,480 that's not necessary. I mean it is a love song, but it 173 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:57,160 could be for friendship. Living on a prayer is love song. 174 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,440 Yeah, it is OK. Yeah, it is a love song. 175 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,960 Yeah. Actually it is not really a slow 176 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:05,840 ballad, though. It's kind of a heavy rock. 177 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,400 Yeah. There's so many good love songs 178 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,040 though. Like you can't list them all. 179 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,200 Yeah, and I'm. I only know Western. 180 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:14,680 I don't even know Japanese music. 181 00:09:14,680 --> 00:09:18,200 There's probably a lot in the Japanese music library also. 182 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:23,560 I love this kind of a, you know, the acoustic love songs. 183 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:24,280 Oh really? Like. 184 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,040 Yeah, acoustic ones. Oh really? 185 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,240 You like it because it's a love song? 186 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:29,640 You like it because it's acoustic guitar. 187 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,040 It's because acoustic. OK, Yeah, I like acoustic 188 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:34,800 sounds. OK, how about you? 189 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,680 I don't play guitar, but yeah, there is some good acoustic 190 00:09:39,680 --> 00:09:42,400 musicians. And actually back in the early 191 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:50,760 2000s maybe there's a black guitarist, Tracy Chapman, who 192 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,240 only did acoustic guitars and simple music. 193 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,600 It wasn't complicated, it was very simple, but she had a very 194 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,440 powerful voice, really good music, Really, really good 195 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,160 music. Oh, I'll check that later. 196 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:07,520 Yeah, if you play, I'll sing OK. I'll try to sing OK. 197 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:14,200 I have a question or some OK, if a guy said the Aerosmith's 198 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:19,800 lyrics to you at a cafe, would you think he's romantic or 199 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,760 creepy? At a cafe? 200 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,760 Does it have to be in a cafe? Could it be outdoors? 201 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,080 Could it be outdoors? It depends on who it is, and it 202 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,360 depends on how it's done. It could be really stupid and 203 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,440 cheesy, or it could be romantic, or it could be creepy depending 204 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,480 on who it is. Yeah, but in general, like 205 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,080 lyrics 6, using someone elses words is kind of stupid. 206 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:49,520 So Speaking of Kakuku culture, actually we have a update of our 207 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,960 own. Oh, the Crosstalk website is 208 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:57,800 finally live. Check out our website podcast 209 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,880 dot crosstalk dot me. OK, so once again, that's 210 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:08,240 podcast dot crosstalk dot ME me, and we kept this a surprise for 211 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,480 you guys until today. But this is just the beginning 212 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,280 and we have even more surprises coming up soon. 213 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,520 So do check out the website and keep an eye for updates. 214 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,400 I can't understand. I have a few more questions all 215 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,080 right related to today's topic. OK. 216 00:11:23,680 --> 00:11:28,640 For your birthday, do you want a big surprise party or just a 217 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,480 quiet dinner with your friends? Oh. 218 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:38,640 That's a good question. I mean, I think at my age, I'm 219 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,720 just happy when people remember my birthday period. 220 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:44,760 Anything is OK. Any I'm happy. 221 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,720 I'm very happy if anyone gives me anything at this point. 222 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,080 OK, So quiet dinner with family or quiet dinner with friends is 223 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,680 great. If someone wants to bring a cake 224 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:56,120 and have a party, that's really, really great too. 225 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,800 So I'm happy with either scenario. 226 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,360 How about you? Me personally, I want to spend 227 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,480 a, you know, quiet time with my friends or family. 228 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,600 Okay, well I did not make you a cake this year also just because 229 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,440 I was busy, but it was in my mind. 230 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,320 But honestly, I want to do a surprise party for someone. 231 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:18,760 Oh, that. 'D be fun, Yeah. 232 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,000 Why? Why do you feel like? 233 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:25,120 Maybe, yeah, maybe I watched too many Western TV, you know, 234 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,080 Surprise is, you know, oh, I want to do it. 235 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,640 No one's ever done that for me. We don't actually do that often 236 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,600 in real life. Yeah, maybe some people do, but 237 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,360 yeah, not, not, not in my friend or family group. 238 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,000 No one does that. Yeah, yeah. 239 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,600 But I want to do a surprise sometimes. 240 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,080 Well, you can practice on me. My birthday is coming up later, 241 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,240 OK? I don't have that many friends 242 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,520 though. I'll try for sure. 243 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,840 OK, you. Can invite all my dogs and my 244 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,240 cats. Yeah, invite all the animals. 245 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,280 OK. So the next question is, what is 246 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,800 the best surprise you ever got? Oh. 247 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,880 The best surprise? Yes. 248 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,400 I don't remember. I mean, they're all nice. 249 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:15,880 The best surprise? The best surprise of all time? 250 00:13:16,560 --> 00:13:19,520 I mean, when people give me a gift that I think is thoughtful, 251 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,880 that's always really, really lovely, yeah. 252 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,920 Then how about the worst surprise, the? 253 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:31,360 Worst surprise was when I was in university, not a birthday gift, 254 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:36,920 but I felt my boyfriend was was dating another girl. 255 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:42,840 That was the worst surprise. That's a terrible surprise. 256 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:47,080 I was so angry. So we actually, we were living 257 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,640 together. We hate, we were sharing a house 258 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,840 and we had another roommate who was his friend. 259 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:58,560 So it was really awkward because I couldn't move out until the 260 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:01,320 contract was up. So even though we had had this 261 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,440 huge fight with this huge argument, we had to like 262 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,400 separate all of our stuff and live in different rooms because 263 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,200 I just was so I couldn't, I couldn't look at his face. 264 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,720 I wanted to punch his face every time I saw him. 265 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,920 And he was not, he was not a handsome guy. 266 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,840 He was ugly, so it just made me really angry. 267 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:24,520 Too bad. Yeah, that was a terrible 268 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:25,800 surprise. Don't do that. 269 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,120 Don't do that to your friends. OK, what? 270 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,520 About you What's the best surprise you ever got? 271 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,320 The best surprise I ever got. It's a hard question. 272 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,520 It's a hard question, definitely. 273 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,640 You know people can't remember good things for longer time 274 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:46,400 period. That's true. 275 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,840 I think when we first started working here together for your 276 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,880 birthday, I made you your favorite favorite flavour of 277 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:54,480 cake. Right, right. 278 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,240 Right. And you were like 39 or 279 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,800 something at the time. And I put on 39 candles and it 280 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,600 almost set the thing on fire. There was so many candles. 281 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:05,920 I don't know if it was a good surprise, but I remember your 282 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:07,400 face. You had a very cute look on your 283 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,240 face, like wow. Yeah. 284 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,040 I was bringing this plate of fire. 285 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,920 Bringing you a plate of fire? Yeah. 286 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,440 OK. What about the worst surprise? 287 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:23,920 What's the worst surprise you got? 288 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:30,320 It might be not a surprise, but you know the Christmas Day we 289 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:35,840 get gift from Santa Cruz. Yeah, and I have ordered the 290 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,640 specific things that I want to get. 291 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,600 OK, from Santa. From Santa OK and it didn't 292 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:42,760 arrive. I collide. 293 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,880 How old were you? Please tell me you were a child. 294 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,000 I was, I was probably 9 or something. 295 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,680 OK, if you were like 26 that'd be a problem, but OK, 9 is OK. 296 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,720 Yeah. Oh Santa, come on man. 297 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,800 Yeah. Yeah, it is hard. 298 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,360 You're right. It's hard to remember, like 299 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,360 really good surprises, but nice gestures, like people do 300 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,560 something nice that's that's good. 301 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,480 And not necessarily for my birthday, but just in general. 302 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,520 Yeah, I'm always very happy when people are thoughtful. 303 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:23,160 Yeah, so nowadays many surprise are filmed for TikTok. 304 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,280 Oh, that's a good. Or Instagram got huge flesh 305 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,360 moth. You know, the proposal in a 306 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,720 public. Yeah, it's to me like those are 307 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,120 like kind of a gimmicky. Oh, they're very gimmicky. 308 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,560 They are extremely gimmicky. I don't know anyone who's ever 309 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,560 done anything like that. Yeah. 310 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:47,200 Do you think people are do surprises because they love the 311 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,080 person or because they love the video? 312 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,320 Both. I would say both. 313 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,640 OK. Probably both because real 314 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,440 people that I know don't do that that I'm aware of. 315 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,880 I don't really have any friends that are like influencers 316 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,680 though. So I think that kind of person 317 00:17:05,079 --> 00:17:09,000 who has a TikTok account and who's updating it all the time 318 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,760 or you know, who's who's a Instagram like V logger or 319 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,960 whatever, I mean, they're very invested in getting views. 320 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,880 So of course they would do gimmicky things like that. 321 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:22,319 Right. But real people who who don't 322 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:24,599 really care about being an influencer, we don't really do 323 00:17:24,599 --> 00:17:26,480 that stuff, I think. OK. 324 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,400 Yeah, I don't know anyone who's I've never seen a flash mob in 325 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,480 real life. Have you never? 326 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,840 Thank goodness. I want to see it. 327 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,680 Maybe people in Okram are very shy. 328 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,360 Yeah, yeah. We don't do this. 329 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:41,760 Yeah, that's good, I think. I think it's like an American 330 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,960 thing, or maybe in India they do this too. 331 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:46,760 I don't know. Oh, England. 332 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:50,240 Yeah, Indian. I don't think it's a Japanese 333 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,320 thing, really. People in Tokyo might have seen 334 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,840 this fresh mop sometimes. Maybe. 335 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:01,840 Showing your moment of your life and put it on the Internet is 336 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:07,720 quite a challenge for me and I kind of a admire in a in a way. 337 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,800 Yeah, I mean, if you could coordinate it. 338 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,680 I'm just too lazy to coordinate stuff like that, you know? 339 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,520 But if you could coordinate it and you film it and edit it all 340 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,480 out, why not? I mean, I'm not, I'm not saying 341 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,600 don't do it. I think it's very nice. 342 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,240 But personally for me, it's not my style. 343 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:28,840 No, I'm just lazy. But I want to learn how to do it 344 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,520 someday. OK, we talk a lot about cocoa 345 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,480 culture and the surprises. Yeah, we did. 346 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,000 Yeah. And also, you know, gave you 347 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,680 some music to look up if you want to hear some romantic rock 348 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,680 ballads. How about you guys? 349 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,120 We'd love to hear from you. When was the last time you had a 350 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,440 special kukuhaku moment? Or even just like a tiny, you 351 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:55,800 know, heartthrob moment. 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