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There's just something about 
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kitchen that makes a job feel 
less overwhelming. 

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I'm Ronnie and you're listening 
to Clean With Me, the podcast 

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where I walk you through 
cleaning your house step by 

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step. 
When you clean along with this 

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show, you'll get more done in 
less time so you can spend the 

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rest of your day doing what 
matters most to you. 

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Thanks for joining me in today's
episode. 

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I am going to give you a little 
pep talk while you wash your 

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dishes. 
Let's get right into the 

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episode. 
Maybe you have a pile of dirty 

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dishes in your sink, on your 
countertop, on the kitchen 

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table, on the coffee table, on 
your night stands, lurking in a 

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teenager's bedroom. 
I don't know. 

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But it's time to gather all of 
your dishes to the sink area. 

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I say the sink area because I 
don't like to put glasses and 

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mugs inside of the sink, and you
may need to clean out your sink 

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before you begin if it's not 
already clean. 

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So it's time to gather up all of
your dishes from around the 

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house. 
Or if you're not feeling 

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presentable yet, that's 
important too. 

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When you look good, you feel 
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So maybe you need to get dressed
for the day and do your 

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minimums. 
Everybody's minimums are 

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different. 
For some it could be putting 

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their hair up, for others it 
could be styling their hair 

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down. 
I like to use some type of 

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product in a spray bottle on 
mornings when I took my shower 

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the night before. 
That way I can fix my hair and 

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not have bed head. 
I like to put on a little 

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makeup. 
I like to wear something that's 

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comfortable yet presentable, all
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But I don't know what time of 
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You could be listening to this 
in the afternoon or evening 

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while you're either gathering up
dishes or freshening up for the 

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day. 
I just wanted to say that I 

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realized doing dishes is not 
usually on the top of anyone's 

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list of favorite chores. 
A few of you might find it 

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therapeutic, and I do find it 
therapeutic, but I never feel 

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excited about starting on it. 
But sometimes once I'm doing 

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dishes, I get into the flow of 
it and kind of enjoy the 

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process. 
I like to do it in kind of a 

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systematic organized way where I
get the difficult items soaking 

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first, make sure my sink is 
cleaned out, and then I start 

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pre rinsing and washing the 
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If I come across something that 
has dried on food, that item's 

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going to soak until I've washed 
all the easy items 1st. 

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And this is true whether I'm 
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I realize some of you are 
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what I do is I get any difficult
items soaking and then I pre 

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rinse the easy small items 
meaning cups, glasses, mugs, 

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silverware, cooking spatulas 
which I strategically place in 

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the top rack along with the cups
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Silverware goes in the little 
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then larger containers. 
Maybe a small skillet or my 

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glass, a small glass casserole 
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Those are the types of things I 
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And of course plates. 
Larger items like a large 

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skillet or a pasta pot. 
Those are items that I typically

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hand wash. 
Oh, I do put my small sauce pans

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into the dishwasher after pre 
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And when I talk about pre 
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on a handle. 
Sometimes I also grab a sponge 

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with an abrasive side, like a 
scrub daddy. 

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But if you look at the process 
as something that's going to be 

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therapeutic and something that 
you're going to do efficiently 

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in a certain order, that can 
make it feel a little bit less 

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daunting. 
Another thing I often do before 

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I start dishes is clear off my 
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countertops. 
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lot of clutter in the kitchen, I
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do than I actually do. 
I might only have a few dishes 

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to wash, but if I was gone for 
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hypothetically, and there's tons
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that can make me feel 
overwhelmed and make me feel 

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like I'm facing some kind of 
disaster even though I'm not. 

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Hopefully by now you're feeling 
presentable and you've gathered 

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up all of your dishes. 
Maybe you're already doing some 

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of the things I'm talking about,
like getting the difficult items

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soaking. 
Or maybe you need to put away 

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some clean dishes first. 
I know you might be tempted to 

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stack things on top of the 
already dry dishes in the drying

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rack. 
Resist the urge. 

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Get those put away. 
I promise it's going to make the

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process of hand washing a little
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Because if you're like me, even 
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you're going to be hand washing 
some items either because they 

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don't fit in the dishwasher or 
it's more efficient to put 

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different things in the 
dishwasher and hand wash others.

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In addition to emptying your 
drying rack, you might also need

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to empty your dishwasher because
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reload and run of the 
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I will confess that on some days
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I've got podcasts to record and 
college work to do, I will just 

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quickly do an empty reload and 
run and then let someone else 

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clean the rest of the kitchen. 
Because a lot of times, getting 

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that dishwasher loaded is a 
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kitchen and that lightens the 
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Even though it only takes a few 
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to where there's maybe a pot in 
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some clutter on the countertops.
There's just something about 

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removing visual clutter in the 
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less overwhelming. 
Whether that means clearing your

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island and countertops, or doing
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of the dishwasher, or maybe 
getting that first sink load 

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soaking. 
You've got to remove that visual

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clutter and you know, find a way
to thin it down quickly before 

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you start to feel discouraged. 
Or someone else does if if 

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you're working along with 
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Right now we have 4 adults 
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saying I might just do an empty 
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know, go work in my bedroom, 
office while someone else does 

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the rest. 
And often once I get that 

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dishwasher running, I get that 
other machine running, my 

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washing machine. 
In a large family, you've got to

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have that washing machine and 
dryer working for you while 

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you're working on the rest of 
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If you know, you know. 
A lot of times I just need to 

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get the machines running. 
There's lots of bedding to wash,

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towels to wash. 
My middle son is away at Marine 

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Boot camp. 
Say a prayer for him. 

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It's pretty grueling, but I do 
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people living in my house. 
So there's lots of dishes, 

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there's lots of laundry. 
And yes, each adult and each 

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teenager does their own laundry 
theoretically, but I still end 

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up washing a lot of the towels 
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the adults work more hours 
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Not my husband right now, but 
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So my husband is a huge help 
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I wouldn't be able to do this 
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There's just a lot of housework,
but I I want to remind you that 

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your home is always going to 
look messy if you don't start 

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keeping up on dishes. 
I'm not saying this to guilt 

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you. 
I'm just saying that it's such 

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an important springboard task 
because having that task of 

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doing dishes looming can cause 
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It can also cost you money. 
And you may be thinking, you 

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know how so I cook everything 
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That's why I have all these 
dirty dishes, I feel. 

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Yeah, but sometimes you end up 
eating out because you don't 

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want to do the dishes and you 
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restaurants and take out. 
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for doing take out or restaurant
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because if you don't have the 
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before you eat your meal, I 
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meal. 
But sometimes it's OK to, to, to

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wipe down all of your surfaces 
and have some dishes, you know, 

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soaking in the sink. 
Obviously you've got to have a, 

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a sanitary surface for, you 
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prep work and your stove top 
needs to be sanitary and you've 

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got to have pots and pans and 
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But sometimes you, you know, you
leave some things to soak or you

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have an overflowing drying rack.
And by cooking dinner, you add 

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to those dishes that you already
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I'm definitely in favor of doing
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The other day, my husband was 
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mentioned going to Wendy's. 
And I'm like, I need to get 

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caught up on dishes. 
Like I just didn't feel like 

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doing dishes and then cooking 
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We had a lot going on that day 
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so we weren't really responsible
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And sometimes ordering pizzas is
is a great ketchup too, because 

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people can just eat their slice 
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or a paper towel and not dirty 
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I'm not telling you not to do 
dishes, but definitely getting 

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paper plates can help you if 
you're in a season of life where

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you're overwhelmed. 
You've just got a lot going on. 

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Let me give you a perfect 
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I am in my last year of college,
which sounds crazy because I'm 

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no spring chicken, but I I just 
really want this degree and I 

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didn't really think this 
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But during the summer semester, 
it's broken up into too many 

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semesters. 
So even though you're taking 

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like two classes at a time, it's
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eight week semesters instead of 
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So here here's what got me 
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Week seven and eight of the 
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and two of the second mini 
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So right now I'm in what they 
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taking AA full college load. 
So yeah, maybe that'll help 

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explain why I had a sink full of
dishes and wanted to go to 

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Wendy's with my husband the 
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And if you do struggle with 
dishes and if you can afford it,

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you know, having one take out 
night a week or whatever can 

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kind of help serve as a catch up
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But I encourage you to work on 
getting down to Dish 0 every 

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day. 
By the way, I got some comments 

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on YouTube where this listener 
was saying that, you know, she's

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already got the basics down. 
She's not overwhelmed, you know 

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she does XYZ every day to 
maintain her home and she wanted

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more deep cleaning episodes. 
Well, my recent bonus episode is

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a deep cleaning episode. 
So be sure to subscribe to bonus

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content if you want to go deeper
with your cleaning. 

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But these episodes, these free 
episodes that are available to 

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everyone are oftentimes designed
to just get you started and get 

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you motivated and help you do 
your minimums. 

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Because often when you get those
minimums taken care of, like 

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your dishes, your countertops, 
your stove top, sweeping the 

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floor, you know, picking up your
living room, Yeah, those are the

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basics. 
Those are kind of surface level 

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chores. 
But getting those done and 

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creating habits where you're, 
you know, doing them regularly, 

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having some kind of a morning 
routine or afternoon routine or 

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evening routine or all of the 
the above. 

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When you change your habits and 
routines so that you're doing 

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these daily tasks regularly and 
not letting things like dishes 

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and laundry pile up, especially 
not dishes, you'll start to do 

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those deeper cleaning chores. 
You just will. 

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And when you listen to these 
episodes where I'm having you do

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these very basic tasks like your
dishes and, you know, 

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straightening up the countertop,
wiping it down, you're going to 

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go deeper with your cleaning 
when you listen because you're 

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going to just stay in the 
kitchen while I talk. 

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You're going to finish the 
dishes while I'm still talking 

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about dishes. 
That's going to give you a sense

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of accomplishment because you're
going to realize you're ahead of

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the game and you're going to 
start looking for more to do. 

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You're going to scrub those 
baseboards. 

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You're going to organize your 
cabinets and wipe down those 

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pantry shelves. 
You're going to finally clean 

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the hood above your oven or the 
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But right now, you might be like
me and kind of in a state of 

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overwhelm. 
By next Monday night at 10:00 

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PM, the overlap will be over and
I'll be back to just taking two 

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classes at a time at an 
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paying bills. 
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struggle because those are times
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things to wash in your kitchen. 
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procrastinating on dishes causes
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money because it's harder to 
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soaking those while you wash the
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more mentally than you know, 
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We spend so much time, and this 
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much time worrying about things 
when it would actually be easier

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to just do the thing, something 
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They'll say, I'm not going to 
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done, and they'll keep saying 
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have started on it by now. 
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it, why don't you just dive 
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can get done? 
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about it for a while. 
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guilty of the same thing, 
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housework. 
We we don't have the piece that 

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a clean house brings. 
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what a mess our house is. 
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delegating. 
Earlier I had to run to the 

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store to get an adapter that I 
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episode later because I'm going 
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moving around while I record. 
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job to do and said I want this 
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back and I'm not going to be 
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than that, but they they have 
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during the summer. 
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moms of teenagers or you may be 
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a different season, but if 
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summertime, you need to put them
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It's good for them. 
It's going to help them out 

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later in life anyway, and it's 
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Sometimes there's something 
about just leaving to where they

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have the deadline of you getting
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They might even be tracking you.
You know, if, if, if you've got 

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like Life 360 or the find my app
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and clean at the last minute, 
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get it done. 
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barking in the background. 
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rerecord this or edit that out, 
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later. 
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milk or a mocha, and you know 
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milk or chocolate in the bottom 
of a glass or it just sticks and

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dries on. 
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out with water and place that 
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sink, or better yet, directly 
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your system. 
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to use extra dish soap and have 
to soak that item before you can

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wash it during your next 
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But anytime you're overwhelmed 
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down into smaller parts and keep
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manageable. 
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comes to dishes, It's easier to 
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you didn't get it soaking at the
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the water till it gets hot, put 
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that item up with hot water to 
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And some people keep a glass or 
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or next to the sink to let dirty
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around to washing them. 
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that have dried on food, that 
could be a system that could 

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help you. 
Basically, you can create small 

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habits that allow you to 
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dishes throughout the day 
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And if you have someone that you
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That can work wonders. 
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those mindless tasks, you don't 
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into it. 
I know that it's never a good 

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idea for me to cook dinner while
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I end up messing something up. 
I end up putting cumin and chili

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powder into meat that was for 
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meat for example, or I burn the 
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You just keep scrubbing until 
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then you rinse it. 
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you fill it up with hot water 
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won't even really remember 
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It's kind of like when you're 
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driveway and you're like, I hope
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That's how it is sometimes. 
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talking on the phone and 
hopefully listening to this show

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has the same effect on you, 
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Leaving dirty dishes out 
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Obviously, we all drop the ball 
sometimes and, you know, we're, 

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you know, leave the dishes 
overnight or whatever, it 

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happens. 
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exception, not the rule. 
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clean dishes first thing in the 
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making coffee or making 
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Or if you're gone all day, doing
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Or maybe there's somebody in 
your family who can put away 

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clean dishes. 
I feel like people don't really 

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mind that task much. 
It's something that's easy to 

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delegate because they just don't
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But to me, putting away the 
clean dishes is more tedious 

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than actually washing the 
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So I like to delegate that task 
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The only caveat is some people 
don't know where things go and 

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put them away wrong. 
So you've got to train your kids

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on where things go. 
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the fewer you have to clean. 
So consider making one pot 

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meals, cleaning as you go. 
You know the drill. 

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If you use a slow cooker and 
you're always that's a crock pot

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and you're always, you know, 
having to perpetually soak it, 

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consider using a slow cooker 
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If you don't know what that is, 
Google it. 

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Another thing you can do is make
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dinners. 
I have a giant cookie sheet that

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takes up almost the entire space
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You know, I grease that up and 
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For example, if I'm heating up 
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whatever, half the cookie sheet 
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side can be tater tots or fries.
That's obviously one of our 

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easier dinners that we make, but
there are other examples of 

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sheet pan dinners that you can 
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So that's another thing to look 
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And if you put parchment paper 
on the cookie sheet, that can 

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make it much easier to clean. 
Do it when you're baking 

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cookies, too. 
I hope you got your dishes done 

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during this episode. 
Special special thanks to my 

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financial supporters who support
the show either on Patreon, 

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Apple Podcasts, or some other 
way. 

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I'll be making another bonus 
episode soon, but even just 

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listening to these free episodes
helps me. 

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Thank you so much for listening 
and as always, happy cleaning. 

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I'll talk to you in the next 
episode.

