1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:05,360 What they're trying to to portray Palestinian men as is 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,960 that every Palestinian man is a terrorist because they know in 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:14,000 Gaza and we all know that the political wings or the armed 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,160 resistance doesn't recruit women or children. 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,600 So they find a way to say that every man is a terrorist. 6 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,160 Even the children, the male children, they would say that 7 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:27,640 those are terrorists in the making. 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,960 And even in the news today, in the news of the Western media 9 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,840 outlets, we say that like mostly children, women, women and 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,400 children being starved, but also men are being starved. 11 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,480 That's the point. But this is how the West 12 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,520 portrayed us and unfortunately the Western audiences and the 13 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:53,160 Western people took that and they would never talk about men 14 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:57,240 as being sufferers of this genocide, of this Holocaust. 15 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,120 What I'm trying to say is that Israel is the sole problem here. 16 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,160 If Israel doesn't exist as a colonial, For me, it's a 17 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,200 terrorist project that has been unleashed in the Holocaust in 18 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,160 Gaza for the past three years, that has been torturing 19 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,600 Palestinians inside Gaza and in the West Bank and across 20 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,960 Palestine, occupied Palestine for many, many years, for the 21 00:01:17,960 --> 00:01:22,480 last 75 years and more. If this like if they were not 22 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:29,040 here in the 1st place, all what we are talking about wouldn't be 23 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,800 here. So this is what we need to focus 24 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,920 on. Welcome to Palestinia. 25 00:01:34,320 --> 00:01:37,520 Today we're joined by Abu Baker, a Palestinian journalist from 26 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:42,080 Gaza who has been documenting from inside Gaza for the last 18 27 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,320 months. Four months ago, Abu Baker left 28 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,880 Gaza as one of the few journalists were able to leave 29 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,400 Gaza within the genocide in a time where Israel is 30 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,560 deliberately targeting journalists. 31 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,960 Since the beginning of the Israeli genocide over Gaza, 32 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:02,560 since October 2023, Israel have murdered more than 238 33 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,280 journalists. And this number is very huge to 34 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,199 the level that the Watson Institution Cost of War Project 35 00:02:09,479 --> 00:02:13,000 have said that this is the littlest murder of journalists 36 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,000 that they have ever documented. The number of journalists killed 37 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,800 in Gaza in less than two years is more than those killed in the 38 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:24,680 US civil war, in the World War One and World War 2 and 39 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,280 Yugoslavia war, Korean War, Vietnam War, Cambodia war, 40 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,280 Afghanistan war, and Ukraine war. 41 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,040 So today we're talking about dehumanization of Palestinians 42 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,360 and dehumanization of men specifically in Gaza and 43 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,680 Palestine. So, Abu Baker, could you tell us 44 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,120 more about yourself? Who are you? 45 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,680 How was your life before the beginning of the genocide? 46 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,400 And what changes happened after the beginning of the genocide? 47 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,560 First, thanks for having me the forks over the 7th. 48 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,120 Life has always been miserable in Gaza, even forks over the 7th 49 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,280 and people were suffering from a lot of things, including the 50 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,800 unemployed, unemployment and including the different and 51 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,000 various escalations alongside the the different wars that 52 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,680 happened because folk to the 7th. 53 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:16,120 There were four wars that really occurred in Gaza in which more 54 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:20,360 than 4000 or 500 people have been killed, including more than 55 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,040 1500 children. So live in Gaza with folk to the 56 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,400 7th for many people across the globe of sorry for many people 57 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,840 inside the territory, it was always miserable and people 58 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,240 couldn't even find a proper dwelling to to set him to live 59 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,200 in. And a lot of people could not 60 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,520 even provide themselves with everyday meal. 61 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,000 And people were working every single day for many hours. 62 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,400 But unfortunately couldn't even find a way to live under the 63 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,760 ongoing blockade that has been imposed not three months ago. 64 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,920 Not this gender and this genocide, but since 2006. 65 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:59,840 So for all, for more than 20 years, Gaza since 2006 has been 66 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:04,200 under this very crippling and stifling siege that has caused 67 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,320 numerous deaths inside Gaza. When I mean this, when I talk 68 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:12,320 about this, I talk about the different number of people, the, 69 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,880 the huge number of people who died in Gaza because they were 70 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:20,519 denied entry, denied exit outside Gaza to receive treat, 71 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:22,240 medical treatment for their cancer. 72 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,880 And a lot of other people, students particularly, they were 73 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,280 denied a permit to travel outside to continue their 74 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:31,120 education, to pursue their dreams. 75 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,760 And at the same time, a lot of the business businessmen and 76 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:40,000 businesswomen as well, they were also restricted by his way, to 77 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:44,400 move outside and broker some deals that would really improve 78 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,240 the situation in Gaza. So Israel was always controlling 79 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:54,200 the number of calories in Gaza. It was just deciding to always 80 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,600 decided the food items that should have been allowed in the 81 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,360 electronics, every other thing, the building materials as well. 82 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,280 So that's why Gaza has always been suffering, not since 83 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:07,440 October the 7th, but before that. 84 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,680 But I understand the point right now. 85 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,200 And I can tell you that I share this feeling as well that a lot 86 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,720 of people in Gaza say that we miss Gaza before October the 7th 87 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:22,120 because they people had something to to enjoy. 88 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:28,080 Even it was better and it was like it was kind of not the best 89 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,760 and now they have nothing. They've lost everything. 90 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,720 So they wish they could have that thing there to where kind 91 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,240 of complain, not complaining about, but that kind of thing 92 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,360 that they once had better than nothing, which is happening at 93 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,800 the moment. So for me, the same because I'm 94 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,840 a younger student. I was a student, my education 95 00:05:48,840 --> 00:05:50,920 was interrupted because of the genocide. 96 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:56,560 I should have graduated in 2024 for the genocide and interrupted 97 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,040 my education. My university was reduced 98 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,320 trouble. The same that happened. 99 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,080 I I was obsessed with sports, with football in particular. 100 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:06,800 I was stuff for football reporting and football 101 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,280 commentating. That's what I was doing and 102 00:06:09,280 --> 00:06:13,400 something I wish I could do the way I really wanted. 103 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:16,160 And that's my dream, essentially. 104 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,800 But unfortunately the genocide broke out and then everything 105 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:24,400 had to change. And I knew that point when the 106 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:29,640 genocide began, that I have a voice, I know how to address the 107 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,880 Western audiences, in particular the English speaking audiences. 108 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:39,000 So I just had to pick up my pencil, my pen, and utter the 109 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,080 words to defend my home. Thank you so much. 110 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,400 And that's very important. You know, since the beginning of 111 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,640 the genocide or even way before, since the establishing of Israel 112 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,560 and even before Israel have been always dehumanising the 113 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,520 Palestinians, but on another layer, but a serial men have 114 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,200 been way more dehumanized. So I remember at the beginning 115 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,400 of the genocide and even before people were saying, when looking 116 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:08,600 at men kissing their daughters or saying goodbye for them or 117 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:14,320 grieving for grandchildren or even for their wives, people 118 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,520 were shocked that our men have feelings. 119 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,560 They can cry, they can't care, they can love because this is 120 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,480 not the stereotypic image that they were raised on or they were 121 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,960 aware of. So what do you think about this 122 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,000 dehumanisation and why is it used to the against the 123 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,680 Palestinians? How it's helpful for Israel to 124 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,640 dehumanise us. Because, well, what they're 125 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:41,920 trying to to portray Palestinian men as is that every Palestinian 126 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:46,320 man is a terrorist because they know in Gaza and we all know 127 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:51,240 that the political ranks or the armed resistance doesn't recruit 128 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,480 women or children. So they find a way to say that 129 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,560 every man is a terrorist. Even the children, the male 130 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,160 children, they would say that those are terrorists in the 131 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,360 making. We've seen that. 132 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,360 And even in the news today, in the news of the Western media 133 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,280 outlets, we say that like mostly children, women, women and 134 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,840 children being starved, but also men are being starved. 135 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,920 That's the point. But this is how the West 136 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:24,040 portrayed us and unfortunately the Western audiences and the 137 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:29,600 Western people took that and they would never took about men 138 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,840 as being sufferers of this genocide, of this Holocaust. 139 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:40,159 And that would go for Israel as an excuse our pretext to bomb 140 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,320 everywhere. We're main, we're main goal. 141 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,160 And that's what we've seen over the past two years, almost two 142 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,360 years, that we're seeing two men carrying a tent side the street 143 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:56,200 walking unarmed peacefully, just they want to have been displaced 144 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,440 and then an Israeli drone would attack them, would bombed them 145 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:02,560 in the street. But it even reached a level way 146 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:06,880 worse than that when we saw the little child girl's child who 147 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,320 was killed and bombed when Israel had drone carrying a 148 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,480 gallon of a gallon of water. That is the parapourism of 149 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,680 Israel. But the dehumanisation of 150 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:21,320 Palestinian men hasn't been like, as you said, has been for 151 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:26,560 so long, for literally so long, because that's how they want to 152 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:30,160 find excuses to bomb and annihilate society. 153 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,160 And of course, in Gaza, men constitute a huge part of the 154 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,640 society. So if we can, as they say, 155 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:43,560 eliminate or murder as many men as we can, then we have a, an 156 00:09:43,560 --> 00:09:47,480 orphan, the child, we have an, we have a widow, a widow to 157 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,240 women. And that we can by that 158 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,320 destroying entire families and by destroying more families in 159 00:09:55,640 --> 00:10:00,440 through killing men, then you have that kind of annihilation 160 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,440 process that Israel has been seeking out for many years. 161 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:09,360 But people Israel wouldn't have done this without the help, 162 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,680 without the help of Western media outlets and without the 163 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:15,160 help of the politicians. Because when we are looking 164 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:20,840 right now at the statements, and I say the new corn statements 165 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:26,840 that are being produced or said by the Western politicians and 166 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:31,840 the European politicians, they say that like the suffering in 167 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,960 Gaza has reached unimaginable levels. 168 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,760 Children, women are suffering. So there's no mention of women 169 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,480 of women. So they take what Israel says as 170 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,480 men are terrorists in Gaza. They're all Hamas. 171 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,200 There's no way that's how they think it because Israel kind of 172 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,360 enforces this narrative into their minds. 173 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,760 And that's the meaning of occupation, that those Western 174 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,400 politicians, they're not, they're physically free, but 175 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,120 mentally they're occupied. They just say what Israel wants 176 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,760 from them, what the Western Empire wants from them. 177 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,720 What are you as British Empire wants from them? 178 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,200 So they're kneeling to the empire. 179 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:17,640 And that, for me, is the opposite meaning of freedom of 180 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,040 dignity. They have no dignity. 181 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,760 They have no freedom. And they are just being 182 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:27,760 robotized by this empire to say what Israel wants them to say. 183 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:32,480 And they are indeed, by their statements, they're not helping 184 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:38,160 us, but they are kind of finding an execution reason for Israel 185 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:43,080 to kill men and to obliterate the entire Society of 2 million 186 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,040 people who haven't been suffering since COVID the 7th, 187 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:51,480 but for many, many, many years. So this narrative and this kind 188 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:56,280 of agenda that has unfortunately that has been instilled into the 189 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,880 hearts of Gaza, into the hearts of Gaza has been taken wild 190 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,440 wide. And that's what's causing us the 191 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,160 suffering at the moment and agony and the relentless grief. 192 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,000 That is true. They have been doing a very hard 193 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,920 job making Palestinian men Nazi and making Palestinian men 194 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,720 silenced and also seen as terrorists as you have 195 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,920 described. And this is part of something 196 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,840 they've done. In 2009, AUS based Israel lobic 197 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:29,040 group called the Israeli Project have released a global language 198 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,840 dictionary which is described as a guide for leaders on the front 199 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,040 line of fighting the media war for Israel. 200 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:41,200 And in that they said, and I quote from chapter 4 that was 201 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,680 pushing Hamas as fundamental to any discussion on Palestine. 202 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,880 And I quote from them, you must isolate Hamas as a critical 203 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,560 cause of the delay in achieving A2 state solution, the biggest 204 00:12:53,560 --> 00:12:57,360 source of harm to Palestinian people and the reason why Israel 205 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,800 must defend its people from living in terror. 206 00:13:00,560 --> 00:13:03,600 So this is what was written in 2009, not not new. 207 00:13:03,680 --> 00:13:06,080 And for sure they have been using that narrative and 208 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,040 implementing it way before then the book was written. 209 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,800 So why do you think, What does that tell us? 210 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:19,320 They just want an excuse, as I told you, and they want anything 211 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:23,720 to take to do whatever they want inside Gaza, and that's 212 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,280 unfortunately what they have been successful in. 213 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,280 What I'm trying to say is that Israel is the sole problem here. 214 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:34,280 If Israel doesn't exist as a colonial, for me, it's a 215 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,640 terrorist project that has been a Malaysian Holocaust in Gaza 216 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,320 for the past three years. And there has been torturing 217 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,720 Palestinians inside Gaza and in the West Bank and across 218 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,080 Palestine, occupied Palestine for many, many years, for the 219 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:48,920 last seven to five years and more. 220 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:55,200 If this, like if they were not here in the 1st place, all what 221 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,520 we are talking about wouldn't be here. 222 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,200 So this is what we need to focus on. 223 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:06,960 That's the truth that people are deliberately turning a blind eye 224 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:13,200 to and they're trying to take us, embroil us into their own 225 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,160 zone. Because in the West Bank, and as 226 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:19,480 it's not that more settlements, we have more and more 227 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,400 settlements, more people are being detained, more farmers are 228 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,280 being shifted. And we've seen that recently and 229 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,280 more people, more children are being impressed and subjugated 230 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,640 and suffocated. The number of settlements that 231 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,200 have been that has been built since October, the 7th is now 232 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,400 way bigger, the 4th of the 7th, although there's not a single 233 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,200 Hamas member in the West Bank. OK. 234 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:47,640 And another point, because we've seen the Hamas Protestant Israel 235 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,800 has regurgitating this propaganda over the past years 236 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,280 for the Western audiences who have taken this book of Aganda 237 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:56,960 for granted and have believed it. 238 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:01,680 We've seen a number of protests in Gaza that were against 239 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,120 Thomas. What have they done for those 240 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,680 people? Have they provided them with 241 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:07,920 sanctuary? No. 242 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,800 Have they improved their own situation? 243 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,400 No. But I know some of them, some of 244 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,440 those who have protested against Hamas. 245 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,200 And we can't blame anyone in Gaza. 246 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,520 Everyone in Gaza has a right to say whatever they want. 247 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:25,440 But although they did this to satisfy Israel's claims, nothing 248 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,400 happened. But some of them who may not 249 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,840 have been killed by Israel. So Israel does just say it's 250 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,960 Hamas. But Israel, what it wants, is it 251 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,760 clear? We want Gaza to be occupied and 252 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,680 that's what they are. And had what even the 253 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,920 Palestinian Authority at the moment, which we know helps 254 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:48,040 Israel in in in detaining Palestinians and in killing them 255 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,520 and in even finding their places. 256 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,920 And they have kind of submitted to Israel's demands. 257 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,600 What have they done? They haven't done anything. 258 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:02,120 Literally nothing has been achieved but just more 259 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,160 settlements, more subjugation, more suffocation and more 260 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,840 restrictions in demolishing of houses. 261 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,400 Last time we saw the video in one of the Palestinian homes in 262 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,760 the occupied Palestinian territories of a man being 263 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:21,280 forced to destroy his own house, which was built like after many 264 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:25,840 years, years after 10s of years of work and, and, and every and 265 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,400 exhaustion everything. This is not psychological 266 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,600 terrorism. And they've totally ignored this 267 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,000 case. This is story when it comes to 268 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,280 Palestinian hostages, the Palestinian men who are detained 269 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:41,160 now they're a bunch of murderers and Israeli officials, when they 270 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,840 go on social media or when they are platformed, because they are 271 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,560 consistently platformed by Western media, what they say is 272 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:54,240 basically that these Palestinian men who many of them, many of 273 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,040 them I've met, many of them, they haven't take it like they 274 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,520 have been detained from inside cars without any charges, 275 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,960 without any trials. And one of them told me one time 276 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,440 that he was just with his family, he separated the Israeli 277 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,800 soldiers, separated the family. He took the man, detained him, 278 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:15,160 and then left the family alone. So it's been deliberate, that 279 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,760 has been deliberate to the humanized Palestinian men. 280 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:23,040 And whatever suffering we've seen or we will see in the next 281 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:27,040 days, hopefully it will end to towards those Palestinian men. 282 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:31,000 There will be no coverage of it. Just focus on the children, 283 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:32,800 focus on the women, ignore the men. 284 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,960 But in fact, he's really man is tortured or whatever. 285 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,520 Then the Western media will read and write and that can tell you 286 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:46,240 the level of supermacism, white supermacism and racism those 287 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,520 Westerners have had for many, many years. 288 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,040 But we have been fooled by that. That's true. 289 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:56,040 And in the Western media, they always talk about Israeli 290 00:17:56,040 --> 00:18:00,360 soldiers who have been either killed or like came from Gaza, 291 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,280 calling them teenagers. But when it comes for like 292 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,720 Palestinian boys or girls, the the children, they call them 293 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,480 women, ladies or. Minors. 294 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:13,560 So it's just like a, a, a play between them and Israel to the 295 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,720 humanized Palestinian, specifically Palestinian men, 296 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:20,560 but also when we're talking about the creating, overseeing 297 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,000 that Israel is always doing. We remember 2 weeks ago when 298 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,360 Israel have bombarded Shifa Hospital, bombarded not just a 299 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:33,240 hospital but a journalist tent where sex journalists were doing 300 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,200 their work and they killed the sex journalist Jazeera crew, 301 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,920 Alastair Sharif and his colleagues, Mohammed Kareka, 302 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:45,520 Ibrahim Zaheer, Mohammed Nofal, Musab Sharif and also Mohammed 303 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,600 Khalti. So this is all part of this, 304 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,360 like creating the scene with killing journalists and others. 305 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,920 Have you ever met Anna Sharif or any of his? 306 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,680 I haven't Anna Sharif, but I just want to to say this, and 307 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,760 probably I haven't even talked about it before, but I know 308 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:08,280 Muhammad Al Khalde, one of those who were killed, who was killed 309 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,960 in this air strike. And I've sat like I've sat with 310 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,120 him multiple times during the genocide. 311 00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:16,920 He was working alongside me at Lox Montes Hospital because he 312 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,280 was in durable during the genocide before the ceasefire, 313 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:24,800 but then he had to relocate when the ceasefire was was 314 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,400 implemented. Mohammed Al Khaldeh told me when 315 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,240 I was sitting with him that he was interrogated by Hamas. 316 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,680 OK. And then Israel said that this 317 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,240 is a terrorist cell. It's a Hamas cell. 318 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,800 So just tell me someone who has been interrogated by Hamas, 319 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,760 someone who would literally like doesn't have anything to do with 320 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,600 Hamas. Why did you hate him? 321 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,200 And in war crimes committed against Palestinians, that's not 322 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,040 a war crime. OK, that's good. 323 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,760 That could be a mistake or an error as Israel claims. 324 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,680 And that they would take this and that we, we, we oblige 325 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,680 Israel or we ask Israel, we demand from Israel to 326 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,160 investigate itself, to do a further investigation. 327 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,200 That kind of narrative that has been going on for many years. 328 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,600 That's the thing. That we have and that we need to 329 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,560 challenge them that we need to eradicate because other than 330 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,560 that, this won't go on. So if Anna Sharif had any 331 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:23,200 political affiliation and by the way, he had a photo with 332 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:29,120 Ehsanwar, OK, the leader of Hamas and that photo was used to 333 00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:31,440 murder him. The same habit with Hassan 334 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:35,080 Slayer, the famous renowned journalist and demanded him, 335 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:41,200 because it's like a part of the Geneva Convention is that those 336 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,800 even if they are fighters, OK, even if they are soldiers, they 337 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,640 are wanted to receive a treatment. 338 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:53,960 You have no authority, you have no right to bomb them. 339 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,360 They bumped them first time and they mounted them inside the 340 00:20:58,360 --> 00:21:02,040 hospital ward. That's how far Israel has gone. 341 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:06,080 So when it comes to anaesthesia, Sharif, give me one photo of him 342 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,240 holding a gun. He never held a gun in my life, 343 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,240 in his life. And even in one of his times he 344 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,680 was calling for a ceasefire and he was saying he was going on 345 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,440 the Hamas negotiating team to accept a ceasefire. 346 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,960 He never shared a statement by Hamas as a sheriff or any of 347 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,120 those with him. He never said what Hamas went to 348 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,720 like was saying over the past two years, he's a journalist, 349 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,000 he's working, he has been working 20. 350 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,920 He had been working 24 hours a day. 351 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,560 He's been posting on social. He had been posting on social 352 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:41,320 media 24 hours a day. He was reporting relentlessly. 353 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,360 He had been reporting. He never stopped. 354 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:47,080 He literally never stopped. So when did he have the time to 355 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,480 do secret terrorism? When did he have the time to 356 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:55,360 join an armed resistance group to attack Israeli soldiers? 357 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,680 When did he have the time? Or give me one post of Vanessa 358 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:03,560 Sharif regurgitating what or what Hamas has said or even 359 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,720 talked about it like I was a journalist. 360 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:10,000 Hamas never came to me and said to me, said to me what I did. 361 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,320 I was there at the hospital. I reported it from every single 362 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,560 part of this trip, from the north, from the South, from the 363 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:20,000 middle area, from central Gaza. Never, not a single time it 364 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,320 happened. Did it happen when Hamas coming 365 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:24,840 to me and telling me what to say. 366 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,080 So all what Israel is saying is literally nonsense. 367 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,360 Hamas or journalists in Gaza are working under duress and the 368 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:35,520 dehumanization of Palestinian journalists that they are not 369 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:40,280 trustworthy and they need honest unfiltered reporting in Gaza. 370 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,240 That is nonsense. Western journalists, they went 371 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,160 to Occupy Palestine when it was hit by the Iranian strikes and 372 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,520 they were literally parroting Israel's lies. 373 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:55,920 Literally the same. They never talked about, sorry, 374 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,800 military infrastructure embedded between civilians. 375 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,880 They never talked about Israel using their own people as human 376 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,040 chills after the military's infrastructure that was seen 377 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,120 clearly in the footage of the destruction inside occupied 378 00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:10,800 Palestine. And then they never talked about 379 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,600 the military personnel in Israel, whether they are police 380 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,720 or they're not police, because in Gaza the equation is used and 381 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,240 it hasn't been upended that the police in Gaza are Hamas, 382 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,360 because Hamas is the government. Of course, then the Likud party 383 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,400 is the government. So everyone working in the good 384 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,880 government and the good government and the good party, 385 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,160 including doctors, nurses, are legitimate targets if we talk 386 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,440 about this logic. So, but people will not talk 387 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,120 about this. So it's a Hamas run health 388 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,200 ministry, but it's not a Likud run health ministry. 389 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:45,720 That's how they are depicting the situation in Gaza, which is 390 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,440 really infuriating. So we're not going to judge 391 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,960 people by stand their political affiliations. 392 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,600 This is the deliberate dehumanization of people. 393 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,880 And that's why people in the West are living in humiliation, 394 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,600 because they can't, they can't fight back against this mental 395 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:06,120 occupation of capitalism, of individualism, of individualism 396 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:11,360 and capitalism, capitalism, because that's how they want 397 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:14,200 people to want them to get distracted to work every single 398 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,680 day. And that's what I've witnessed, 399 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,520 like this was what I've observed over the past four months since 400 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,440 I've left Gaza, that people don't have the time to talk 401 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,280 about their own feelings and what they believe in. 402 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,520 And when you can't criticize someone, then you are simply 403 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,480 occupied. Why do you think the West is 404 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,760 choosing to abide by the Israeli narrative? 405 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,760 Why they're choosing to fall for the debate? 406 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,160 You know, you talked about Israeli bombarding of hospital 407 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,960 killing journalists inside both the protected groups. 408 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,880 They shouldn't be bombarded or killed at all according to 409 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,680 Geneva international law and all of that. 410 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,800 But they were bombarded and killed. 411 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,480 And the West chooses to fall into the debate of whether they 412 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,000 are affiliated with Hamas or not rather than condemning Israeli 413 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,840 atrocity crimes and the war crimes they have been 414 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,800 committing. So why do you think the West is 415 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,600 choosing to to fall into this trap? 416 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,600 Because Israel is a product of the empire of the Western 417 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:15,040 Empire, of the British US Empire, and everyone wants to 418 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:19,040 serve this product. It's the heart of the empire and 419 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:25,160 this empire like which is compromised by which is made-up 420 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,800 of or sorry, which which constitutes different parties in 421 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,640 different countries like the US and the and in Britain, they 422 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,240 know if Israel is dismantled, then disempower would be 423 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,200 dismantled. So they're trying to support it 424 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:41,120 with every way they can and they are controlling these cheap sell 425 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:43,720 outs from politicians and journalists and media works in 426 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,160 the West to regurgitate what they want them to say or they 427 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,360 threaten them. So they threaten them that there 428 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:52,800 was just could be docked to threaten them that their lives 429 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,960 would be ended would be arrested, whatever. 430 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,240 And people are ready to sell their humanity for a few EUR for 431 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,400 a few pounds. That's for them nothing. 432 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:05,200 So this is how sequently this is how people think of it, that 433 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,760 Israel is the heart of the empire. 434 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,720 And for one has to know that Israel is the heart of the 435 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,760 empire of the specifically the Britain US empire, and that if 436 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,320 this empire is dismantled and Palestine is a free, then those 437 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,200 empires will collapse. And that's what is making them 438 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,920 afraid. That's why they have been 439 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,160 distinguished allies of Israel, supporting them financially, 440 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,160 militarily and in every way possible to dismantle a group of 441 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,960 fighters are having to authentic seat 40,000 fighters. 442 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,560 You've been fighting them, you've been using the most 443 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,000 developed and modern weaponry in the world from bombs, 444 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,520 quadcopters or planes, tanks and everything, guns and machinery, 445 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,680 whatever, and you haven't achieved anything literally 446 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,160 because you simply cannot beat indigenous and as people to the 447 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,120 land, you simply cannot destroy the belief inside people. 448 00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:01,600 If you want to annihilate a society, you have to obliterate 449 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,600 their beliefs. You have to obliterate their 450 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,840 creed, but but you can't do that. 451 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,440 Everyone believes in this way in Gaza, that our land must be 452 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,760 free, must be liberated. That's the mentality, That's the 453 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,680 mentality. So you need to change the 454 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,360 mentality in whatever you want to achieve. 455 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:22,000 But that's not going to happen. 100% is not going to happen. 456 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,640 So the reason behind why everyone's following Israel is 457 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,720 because simply Israel is the product of the empire, is the 458 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,120 heart of the empire. If it is dismantled, then this 459 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:36,560 empire will collapse. And that's what they are afraid 460 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,760 of. And those politicians, leaders, 461 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,040 whatever will absolutely vanish, literally vanish. 462 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:48,880 So their enemy, their, their, their, their heart is Israel and 463 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,200 their enemy is free Palestine. So they will never humanize any 464 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,280 Palestinians, whatever it takes. And even as I said in their 465 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,840 statement, their Luke warm statements, you will never see 466 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:07,720 anything that would be a goodwill gesture that will never 467 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,240 happen. And they all agree. 468 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,360 You would see the Labour and the Conservative conflicting having 469 00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:17,400 a clashing with each other here. You would see the Republican 470 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,320 Democratic Party having a clash together, but you would never 471 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,240 see them having a clash over supporting Israel. 472 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,280 That's that can tell you the story. 473 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,840 The whole story is simple that Israel's the heart of empire. 474 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,960 Israel can control everything. Israel is controlling the White 475 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,520 House, the Oval Office, the parliamentary house here in the 476 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,920 UK, and that's how it goes. The empire shouldn't fall. 477 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,040 They must support Israel. It's our heart in the Middle 478 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,520 East. It's our heart of terror, 100%. 479 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,640 They believe it's terror, but they don't want to say it 480 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,040 because of what they have been doing for many, many years, 481 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,840 especially since the genocide started. 482 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,320 So they will never back down from supporting Israel. 483 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,760 They will keep supporting. This argument and this idea 484 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,560 takes us to the same thing that you mentioned already, that the 485 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,800 Western people are already occupied mentally by those 486 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:15,080 narratives, by the Western narratives of and controlling 487 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,520 them and not leaving them any space to critically thinking of 488 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,560 anything that's happening around them because they're so busy 489 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,640 with their work and all of that. And that's reminds us with new 490 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,320 political party that's getting established here in the UK, it's 491 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,920 called your party as being led by Zara Sultana and also Jeremy 492 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,880 Corbyn. Zara Sultana have recently 493 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,080 tweeted saying and I quote the smears won't work this time. 494 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,360 I see it loudly and proudly. I'm anti Zionists so this might 495 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,960 be a shift for the political sphere here in the UK. 496 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,520 Zara have already said her opinion but Jeremy Corbyn didn't 497 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,680 say it yet. So do you think it's important 498 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,240 for Jeremy Corbyn to stand also as anti Zionist and also for 499 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,520 their for their party, the new party to stand openly and say 500 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,280 that they are anti Zionist and anti genocide for Palestinians 501 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,080 but also. For everyone else, well, I've 502 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,240 known Zara Sultan, Jeremy Corbyn. 503 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:19,080 I've known them during the genocide, of course, but the 504 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,160 kind of argument that you're bringing up here is that where 505 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,720 they stand? Well, both of them have been 506 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,320 extraordinary support Palestine over the past two, over the past 507 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,680 almost two years. And he has to because anti 508 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:39,000 Zionism is a humanity. If you're an anti Zionist, if 509 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,680 you're not an anti Zionist, then you're pro overthought, you're 510 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,840 pro genocide. It doesn't make any sense. 511 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,800 If you are like, I'm not going to say I'm an anti Zionist, but 512 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,920 but I'm, I guess genocide, it doesn't make any sense when you 513 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:58,280 are honest stance, then you'll have to bring everything that 514 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,040 supports this stance. But you cannot just say like, 515 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,400 like I'm against the genocide of Palestinians, but I can't say 516 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,600 I'm an anti stance. So it's very fundamentally 517 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:13,200 mentally fundamental for him to say this loudly and proudly, as 518 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,880 Sarah said, of course, but also I urged him because I haven't 519 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,960 seen this from them over the course of the past two years. 520 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,280 They haven't said anything about the resistance. 521 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,840 And because they I'm sure they understand the laws. 522 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,280 They know the international laws and large like armed resistance. 523 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,880 It's a legitimate tribe enshrined into the international 524 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,440 laws. If they believe in the in a 525 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,480 demilitarized Palestinian state in their comfort to the solution 526 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,040 because they believe that Palestine should be 527 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,520 demilitarized, but Israel should be militarized, then that 528 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,080 doesn't make any sense for me. And they're the sympathy and 529 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,240 their stances, not just me for science to be honest, but what 530 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,960 they have to focus on is being clearly, obviously, and without 531 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,680 any kind of without any kind of filtered language, they're anti 532 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,760 Zionists. They're against Zionism because 533 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,320 Zionism is the concept of the word, the Holocaust that that is 534 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:11,880 being perpetrated in Gaza is being perpetrated by the 535 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,040 Zionist. And the final point here is that 536 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,400 if you're not anti Zionist then you're not anti Nazi. 537 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:24,280 So if they were born or if they left the Holocaust of the Jews 538 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,760 and died by the Nazis, I think one day the question would be 539 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:35,000 would they be reluctant to say they were or they are anti Nazi? 540 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,040 Could you explain more what is anti Zionism for you as a 541 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,680 Palestinian journalist Youth from inside Raza? 542 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,800 What does it mean and how is it related to anti? 543 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,040 Palestine had always a place for Jews to live in. 544 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,200 Palestine has synagogues for Jews. 545 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,040 We never had a problem with the Jews themselves. 546 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:02,640 They have our utmost respect. They have, they can live freely. 547 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:07,240 The problem, the dilemma here is about Zionism and Zionist and 548 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,560 this belief that has been created recently by the Zionist 549 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,920 terrorist groups and fascist groups. 550 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,720 It is the movement that has caused and wrote all this 551 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:23,080 destruction and, and and wreaked all this havoc in Gaza and in 552 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,800 the West banking across Kiba, Palestine for the past years. 553 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,080 So and designed as a means to be against the genocide, against 554 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,920 the blockade, against apartheid, against all these names, ethnic 555 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,960 cleansing and the expulsion of Palestinians and all these 556 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,360 genocidal ideas that have been circulating around by Israeli 557 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,880 officials. And no one has been challenging 558 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,800 them. No one has been even condemning 559 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,160 their their words. But if a Palestinian leader, 560 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,400 imagine a Palestinian leader, opening up on genocidal rhetoric 561 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,320 against Jews, saying that all Jews must be what must be 562 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,760 exterminated, that would be the news story everywhere, on the 563 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,280 top of every headline, the headline of every newspaper. 564 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,199 But because an Israeli official like Wengerfi, Ms. Modrich, has 565 00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:16,000 been saying this, no one, and has been, they have been even 566 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:20,120 reiterating that for many, many, many, many times during the past 567 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:21,280 weeks and during the past months. 568 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,880 But no one has ever condemned them. 569 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:29,000 And even when the UK tried to prevent those officials from 570 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,840 coming to the UK and put sanctions on them, then the US 571 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:36,400 and Rubio said that this is a wrong decision and we condemn 572 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,159 the British government to do so. So imagine the level of fascism 573 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,840 the US is under at the moment. It's turned into a fascist, 574 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:48,040 sadistic country where people cannot even have the least of 575 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,000 the amendments that the US has bought for them. 576 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,239 They cannot have free speech. They cannot have free any, any 577 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,280 free rights at all. So the point about Zionism here 578 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,600 that we need to understand as a result of what we've been 579 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,800 talking about is you must be anti genocide against the 580 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,240 appetite, against the ethnic cleansing, against the suffering 581 00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:12,720 and the blockade. And at the same time, you must 582 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:17,560 be with free someone's homeland, which has been stolen for for 583 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,560 the past more than 80 years. And you are with them returning 584 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,280 to their own rights. If you have these all then you 585 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:30,360 are an anti Zionist. An anti Zionism is a humanity is 586 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,640 believing that the indigenous people and the rightful owners 587 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:39,680 of a specific land, of a specific land, that they have 588 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:45,120 the full right and authority to get back to their own land and 589 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:50,360 live freely there enjoying their own lives as you, as any other 590 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,640 human being crossed the globe. So that is what we need from 591 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,600 people. This is the definition of anti 592 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,080 Zionism. Thank you so much. 593 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,520 Abubakar recently published that the BBC have contacted you for 594 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,520 an interview and you had a very strong stance over that. 595 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,560 And you published saying and accusing the BBC of being and I 596 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:16,320 quote a mouthpiece of Zionism with oceans of the blood of my 597 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,080 people in its hands. O what made you take this 598 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,840 position against but? I've taken it for a long time, 599 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,120 to be honest, Tala. I've taken it for a long time 600 00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:29,760 and I can tell you because I appeared in the BBC in the early 601 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,960 days of the genocide, because I believe that I could have 602 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,480 changed something within the the teams themselves. 603 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,720 I can tell you from here, the producers and the journalists 604 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:42,000 that I was talking to, they know what they're doing is wrong, but 605 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,360 they are afraid they're occupied. 606 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,080 We go back to the same point. We are occupied and we cannot 607 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,320 shrug off this reality of people being afraid of speaking up 608 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,160 against their own governments and their their media 609 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,720 organizations where they work. And you cannot tell me they're 610 00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:04,520 helpless because if they haven't been so vile and haven't kneeled 611 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,840 down, even if it is one we have. Sangita has originally resigned 612 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,960 from the LBC after challenging or has been fired after 613 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,400 challenging an Israeli official live on her. 614 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,400 And that was for Albacie, very anti-Semitic and that's why they 615 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,720 fired her. But she has been very stale on 616 00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:24,120 her stance and she's been supportive of a palace and she's 617 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,080 been attacking the Israelis for what they have perpetrated 618 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,920 inside Gaza. Now for the other journalism 619 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,640 producers who have no justification of their silence 620 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,720 inside their media organizations, that includes 621 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:39,840 Glarus Award and CNN, that includes many Jones in the BBC. 622 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:45,640 And for the BBC, they would say, not publicly, but between them 623 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,200 privately, they would say like we are against what the BBC is 624 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:50,880 doing. And I can't remember one time I 625 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,880 had a call with one of the BBC producers and they told me 626 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,000 you're right, you're right on everything. 627 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,640 And I said you're a mouthpiece for Zionism. 628 00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,840 You are justifying the Holocaust of our people. 629 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,720 You're justifying the killing. And she said literally to me, 630 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:08,160 you are right. So after trying to change them, 631 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,920 nothing has paid off. They are controlled by Zionists 632 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:16,040 100 percent, 100%. And the reason why is it this 633 00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:18,320 because I wanted them to feel it. 634 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,760 What's the point of me going live when they're on the BBC 635 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,480 talking to people? A bunch of people have been 636 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,120 given consent for the Israelis to genocide on my people. 637 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,960 What's the reason? What, what am I going to get? 638 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,000 What am I going to get when I do an interview with a bunch of 639 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,520 so-called journalist or have given the Israelis the consent 640 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:43,320 and justified the killing of the children and the the murder, the 641 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,600 mass murder, dismemberment and disfiguring of Palestinian 642 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,880 children, women, women, even the wiping out and the arranger of 643 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:56,120 entire communities inside Gaza. This for me is unforgivable, 644 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,960 unforgettable. And that's why I said to them 645 00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:01,960 that I'll raise a case against you. 646 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,080 I will continue doing this until I make sure those people are 647 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,720 tried at a place where they where they will pay for the 648 00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:13,120 crimes they have committed. Because for me, there are a 649 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,800 accomplice to the genocide, to the Holocaust, and they have a 650 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,800 big role in what has been happening and transpiring in 651 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,360 Gaza. And if we have a just law, 652 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,560 because one they have done, we have a literary term called 653 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,800 categoriesis, which means the misuse of the language. 654 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,560 And they haven't misused the language, but they have been 655 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,840 deliberately misusing the language just to serve the 656 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,760 interest of the politicians and of their bosses and just to 657 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:47,600 dismantle and annihilate a Society of more than one million 658 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:52,120 children. Therefore, why should I talk to 659 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,800 them? These are the only time you 660 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,560 should talk to them. Must be in a court without held 661 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,760 accountable. Other than that, they are trying 662 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,640 by inviting me and other Palestinians to wash their hands 663 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,640 of their complicity. They are attempting to tell 664 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,400 people, look, we have we are now platforming Palestinians and we 665 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,200 are against the genes or whatever. 666 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,640 But even though there's really human rights are associations 667 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,560 have declared it's a genocide being committed under their 668 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,360 name. And even though all almost all 669 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,840 humanitarian organizations have shared the same feeling and the 670 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:33,720 same statements the BBC and was the media outlets you would see 671 00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:35,480 them. It's a war in Gaza. 672 00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:42,680 Even worse than that, RTE, which is an Irish media outlet and 673 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,720 Ireland says it's a genocide. The Irish government says it's a 674 00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:50,080 genocide, although all this is an island. 675 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,040 RTE says it's a Israel Hamas war. 676 00:40:54,320 --> 00:41:00,440 That would tell you using these terms and using these phrases is 677 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,680 lethal. It's literally lethal. 678 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:08,080 And this propaganda, believe me, has killed thousands of people 679 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,680 in Gaza. And if Western journalists, if 680 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:17,040 Western journalists had done their job in the way, any human 681 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:22,960 journalist with an atom of moral clarity and humanity, this 682 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,400 genocide would have been ended a long, long, long time ago. 683 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,960 So the blood of my people is on their hands and you must pay for 684 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,040 it. That's why a case against them 685 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,320 must be erased. And we will never rest until 686 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,160 they're held accountable for what they have done for my to my 687 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,360 people. Thank you, that reminds me of 688 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,880 something the western media is always saying. 689 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,280 They always say that we don't know know the truth inside 690 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,200 Russia or what's actually happening or we can't verify 691 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,800 anything because we don't have international journalists 692 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,760 insight. It's not just part of the 693 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,880 dehumanization, but it's also what you've just described. 694 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,280 They are they are part of the propaganda of the genocide. 695 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,760 So why? Why do you think before the 696 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,600 murder of Anas few days before the senior have said that they 697 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,600 will let international journalists in Teresa. 698 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,920 Then they killed this like 6 journalists in one attack. 699 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,880 Why do you think they're doing that while at the same time 700 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,880 advertising for getting international journalists inside 701 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:26,520 ISA? Like because you mentioned that 702 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:31,520 the truth is not obvious obvious for western media outlets. 703 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,200 I just want to comment on this to elaborate in this bit more. 704 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,880 The first thing that we have to remind people is that the thing 705 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:46,000 or the story inside Gaza is not bureaucratic and the intrixes of 706 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:51,760 it are very simple, which is that we don't even say what. 707 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:56,800 We've seen a lot of the content, content that has been emerging 708 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,800 outside Gaza from outside, from inside Gaza. 709 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,720 It has been filmed. There is nothing. 710 00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:06,000 It's live. It's a live stream genocide that 711 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,440 has been well documented for the past 22, for the last 22 months. 712 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,840 So why are you talking about? What do you want to verify? 713 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,120 It's a video that you can see. It has not edit. 714 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,880 So we don't edit anything. We just put the video of the 715 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,400 matter of children, women and men and if they wiped out of 716 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,480 entire families in front of you in the bombing of hospitals, we 717 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,680 don't edit anything. Literally, we give you the 718 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,760 footages. We've seen it on the ground and 719 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,720 that's what we have been doing inside Gaza. 720 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,720 So why do you want to verify? I don't think being objective 721 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,880 there is no, there's nothing called objectivity when you see 722 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,920 dismembered, disemboweled and disfigured to children in front 723 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,920 of your eyes. If these so-called journalists 724 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,840 get into Gaza and have a bit of time inside the wards of any 725 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,440 hospital inside Gaza, they would have trauma they would never 726 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,840 recover from and they would say and you can see that and they 727 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,720 prove to what I'm saying is see Doctor Victoria Rose, the 728 00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:02,920 British doctor to Scenic Miniard, the British doctor and 729 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,920 see what they told you. They told you that we can't even 730 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,760 imagine the level of suffering inside the hospitals and the 731 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,040 number of children wandered and be dated. 732 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,360 Consequently, what do you do? What do they want to verify? 733 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:21,360 The western foreign people have got into Casa who are from their 734 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:28,000 own people and have literally the same had the same witnesses 735 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,000 to people of compared with to people with to people in Gaza. 736 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,000 Then what are they going to verify? 737 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:39,120 I can't understand it. Unedited unfiltered footage. 738 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,800 It's live streamed. It's live streamed. 739 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,040 This is the first and many times it happened with journalists, 740 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,880 including me, while we were reporting live in our state 741 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:53,160 would happen nearby and then we would see children mutilated and 742 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,360 ambulances rushing into the hospital to transport casualties 743 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,560 from the bombed out scenes. The other thing is that we are 744 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,640 saying what we are what we are living through. 745 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,640 Why, why why shouldn't it like do Palestinians? 746 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,480 What is the knee? Think about it like a one year 747 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,160 old brain could tell you this, that why any human being in the 748 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:19,680 world would go on or would go on live go to like in any interview 749 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,280 live could go live to say that they are suffering. 750 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:27,160 Do any human beings and doesn't human being in the world love to 751 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,800 be suffering, love to be deprived of food and basic 752 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,440 rights, love to be bumped? Why should we say that? 753 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,600 We should say that's like if we live happily, then we live 754 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,280 happily. Why should we be like 755 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,960 complaining as they say about anything? 756 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,200 Why should we are saying that we're growing from the pain? 757 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,040 We should say anything. So it's a simple equation. 758 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,040 You have an edited out footage. You have our voices, the 759 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,760 Palestinian voices, many of them, many of those are not 760 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,320 generous. They are just witnesses in the 761 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:56,520 genocide. They have nothing, their 762 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,360 children, most of them. And the third thing is that you 763 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,720 have your own people and you've sent into Gaza and they have 764 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:06,560 come up literally with the same feelings and sensations that 765 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,240 Palestinians do have, but they don't want to believe any. 766 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:15,680 And the idea that Israel is now advertising journalist, foreign 767 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,800 journalist to get into Gaza because they have done 768 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,200 everything, They've done everything. 769 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,360 So now after we've done everything, that's what Israel 770 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,680 is saying at the moment. After we've done everything, you 771 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,240 want to get in, get in. We don't care because they were 772 00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:30,920 afraid. We're kind of afraid that those 773 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,640 within journalists, maybe one of them would have conscience, 774 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,800 would have some kind of morals to say what Israel was doing. 775 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,200 And then that would cause some kind of pressure on Israel to 776 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:46,920 stop annihilating and and and decimating Gaza's every sick 777 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,040 kind of a human sector. And that's what Israel wanted. 778 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,240 But believe me, even if now Israeli, oh sorry, Western 779 00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:57,640 journalist get into Gaza, nothing would have changed. 780 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:02,320 They would regurgitate the same lies, do it repeat Israel's 781 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,480 propaganda and nothing would literally change in the ground. 782 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:10,200 And that happened in the Iran, Israel escalations and that 783 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,800 already had happened. The footage they took in Gaza 784 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,640 from the air trope or sorry, the air trope airplanes. 785 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,160 And they just said what we don't know. 786 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,560 I remember very well the Miss Sky News correspondent in Rafa 787 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:30,400 was who was on an embedded journalism mission inside Rafa. 788 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,520 And he said, look at this neighborhood which is flattened 789 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,880 to the ground. We actually don't know if this 790 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:44,960 was military necessary or not. What should we expect from them? 791 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,240 Absolutely nothing. Like as I'm telling you those 792 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:55,920 everyone who has justified long going Israel's Israel Holocaust 793 00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:00,120 must be persecuted. Last month, we've released a 794 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,720 video of you criticizing Egyptian football player Mosaleh 795 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,560 because of his silence over everything that's happening in 796 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,240 Gaza. And since that time, he has 797 00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:15,160 spoken out specifically on after the Israeli killing of the 798 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,000 Palestinian footballers to lay my own bed. 799 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,840 What do you think about that? Is that enough that he spoke 800 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,080 right now? I think it's better than nothing 801 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,360 and he should continue. That's my opinion. 802 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,960 And you can see them part that Salah has made off this tweet 803 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:37,440 looking about one tweet that has that has reeled them over 112 804 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:42,720 million viewers, that has gained over 112 million viewers OK 805 00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:46,240 views. And that has kind of brushed 806 00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:49,680 into Weaver to bring 2 Palestinian refugee children 807 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,800 into the final thing with a Super Cup and between Tottenham 808 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:58,000 and Paris Saint German and even put a banner inside the stadium. 809 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,000 Save the Children stop killing them. 810 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,680 I don't remember the banner exactly. 811 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:07,640 So this is solace effect. So imagine, sorry, imagine if 812 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,320 Salah had been speaking since this genocide start. 813 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,680 Believe me, I'm not exaggerating, but that might 814 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,800 have been enough to stop the genocide. 815 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,240 But his silence, we cannot like him posting at the moment, 816 00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:24,480 cannot justify and cannot give him an excuses to get away with 817 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,640 over his silence over the past two years. 818 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,080 It was disgraceful. It was unimaginable that he 819 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:34,480 could do this because look at the love he has inside Gaza. 820 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,920 I remember walking Gaza's suits during the genocide that would 821 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:41,720 see a photo of masala hung up on one of the walls. 822 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,120 You would see people, loads and loads of people wearing Salas 823 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:49,480 shirts and Salas shirts, new shirts and new jerseys are being 824 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,440 sold in the markets and on the makeshift stores. 825 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,480 So he has to know that he's very, very much loved in Gaza. 826 00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,120 But people are disappointed by him because he hasn't spoken up 827 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,360 for them and he couldn't change. And I'm sure now he he has 828 00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,280 realized that he could have changed a lot and he has nothing 829 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,360 to lose. He has achieved literally 830 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,160 everything in the foot. What is one of the best 3 831 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,280 footballers in across the globe? He has won every possible major 832 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,680 trophy for the individual collective trophy. 833 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,160 As a result, what he is, I'm just saying like what is he 834 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,960 afraid of losing? He has nothing to lose and he 835 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:31,000 can speak up and he can really play and take a very, very big 836 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,120 role in stopping what is happening. 837 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,120 I believe and I hope he will continue. 838 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,440 I hope so too. Look at the big picture of 839 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,200 what's happening in Raza now, the genocide and total 840 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,600 annihilation of people and also Raza as a as a strip. 841 00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,240 What do you think? There's really mastery plan now 842 00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:49,440 for Raza and could it be stopped? 843 00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:57,240 I believe, as I told you, after all the images that and the 844 00:50:57,240 --> 00:51:01,440 photos in the videos we've been observing over the course of the 845 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:06,160 past 1-2 months, I do want from people to stop their 846 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:10,800 government's, government's complicity and let Israel fight 847 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,440 its own war. That's first. 848 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,200 And I don't want people to believe in our right to 849 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,080 self-defense and legitimate armed resistance. 850 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,120 And that's the way how it can be stopped. 851 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,440 We need a military intervention to stop it. 852 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,560 And the Irish president, I've got his name, he's talked about 853 00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,520 it, that we need a military intervention to stop it, to stop 854 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:37,800 the genocide and to intervene to secure safe humanitarian 855 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:44,240 corridors, to truck aid into Gaza and to the needy people, to 856 00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:46,280 the very desperate people right now. 857 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:51,880 Because the scale, the false Pictron blockade has resulted in 858 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:58,640 an unbelievable scale of deprivation and and desperation. 859 00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,200 To solve that, you need a military intervention. 860 00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:07,760 Because unfortunately all the kind of political intervention, 861 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,880 the mere facade and platitudes that we've seen haven't paid 862 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,760 off. And that is really the only way 863 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:20,400 to stop it is power. If governments believe in human 864 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:25,640 beings, in the humans rights and basic rights, they should 865 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:32,400 literally and unequivocally intervene militarily to help 866 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:37,560 those need and to save their own humanity by intervening 867 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:42,320 militarily to stop Israel from starving an entire population, 868 00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,320 half of which are children who have nothing to do with animals, 869 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,040 and many, many thousands of children. 870 00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,480 Those children have been born prior to the genocide, a few 871 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,760 weeks and months prior to the genocide, and the rest have been 872 00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,920 during the genocide and have lived here last year in the 873 00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,840 genocide. Imagine a three-year old child, 874 00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:04,960 2 year old child is 2 year old is 2 years old, but he's left it 875 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:09,080 all during the genocide. That is for me, inconceivable, 876 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,960 insurmountable, impenetrable, something that I can't really 877 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,000 put into words that this is the failure of the Internet, of the 878 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,840 human world. There is no humanity in this 879 00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,760 world except for a few people who wanted to dream to do 880 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,040 something, but they're not allowed to do this thing because 881 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,960 the governments are are tyrannies. 882 00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:36,640 That's how it is. But military intervention is 883 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,280 needed now more than ever before, and that would a 884 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,680 pressure and stop Israel from continuing with its Holocaust. 885 00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,520 Thank you so much, Abu Baker, for being with us. 886 00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,160 And I hope that the people would listen to you and they will be 887 00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:54,440 able to push their governments an end for the genocide and also 888 00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,880 for the Israeli occupation, because as long as the 889 00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,760 occupation continues, colonization continue, the 890 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,080 genocides will be happening more and more. 891 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,040 So thank you for being with us. You're a witness of the 892 00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,280 genocide. You're 1 of 2 million people in 893 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,320 Gaza have witnessed that. It's very important to 894 00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:15,640 understand what you said, the dehumanization of men, and also 895 00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,040 all the Israeli tactics to measure the Palestinians and get 896 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:23,560 excuses out of that so we can actually be able to mobilize and 897 00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,160 stand in action and solidarity with the Palestinians until 898 00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,640 Palestine is free. Thank you so much, Abu Baker, 899 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,160 lovely meeting you. Thank you. 900 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:32,600 Thank you so much, Diamond Smile. 901 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,480 If you are enjoying this podcast and if you enjoy listening to 902 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,440 the Palestinian voices and to the voices that breathe the air 903 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:44,800 of Palestine, please support.palestinedeepdive@palestinedeepdive.com/support.