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Hey, if we haven't met, my name 
is Cole. 

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I'm going pastor here. 
What what originally I was going

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to do is I was going to preach a
sermon that kind of cooperated 

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with Luke Stone's excellent 
sermon last week about how the 

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Holy Spirit testifies and brings
our identity to mind. 

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It was an excellent sermon. 
If you haven't listened to it, 

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make sure you go back and listen
to that on Spotify. 

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But instead of going that route,
which I originally planned to 

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do, this morning is going to be 
a little bit more of a 

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standalone sermon. 
Because as I was prepping and 

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thinking and praying, I was 
constantly haunted this week by 

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my own shortcomings and failures
of life with the Holy Spirit. 

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And I don't think I'm alone in 
this struggle with the Holy 

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Spirit. 
And I wonder if you have this 

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same struggle too. 
So I'm going to preach on that. 

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So if you're able, let's stand 
for the reading of God's Word. 

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What we do at Frontier is we 
preach expository sermons. 

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What that means is that 90% of 
the time we spend our time in a 

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singular text where we explain 
that text over the course of 40 

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or 45 minutes. 
We look at the the literary 

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context, we look at the 
historical context, and then we 

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bring it to its Christological 
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And that's 90% of what we do. 
This morning I'm going to preach

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a little bit different. 
It's called topical preaching. 

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Instead of focusing on one 
singular text, we're going to 

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look at 4 texts. 
I'm going to draw one unified 

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observation of those four texts,
and then I'm going to preach on 

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that observation. 
What's the observation? 

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You'll be able to tell. 
Listen to what I listen to what 

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I emphasize, and you'll know 
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John chapter 14. 
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit,

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whom the Father will send in my 
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He will teach you all things, 
and bring to your remembrance 

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all that I have said to you. 
John 15 But when the Helper 

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comes, whom I will send to you 
from the Father, the Spirit of 

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truth, who proceeds from the 
Father, He, everybody say He, He

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will bear witness about me. 
John 16 When the Spirit of truth

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comes, He, everybody say He. 
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He will guide you into all the 
truth, for he will not speak on 

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his own authority, but whatever 
he hears, he will speak, and he 

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will declare to you the things 
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Romans chapter 8. 
Paul says likewise. 

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The Spirit helps us in our own 
weakness, for we do not even 

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know what to pray for as we 
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Everybody say himself, but the 
Spirit himself intercedes for us

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with groanings too deep for 
words. 

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He, he, he himself pray with me.
Heavenly Father, I pray that you

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would move us this morning, that
we wouldn't just talk about your

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Holy Spirit or pontificate or 
hypothesize about your Holy 

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Spirit, but that we would be 
people who experience your Holy 

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Spirit. 
Lord, would that be true of us? 

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We're not here to just learn 
some new things, Lord. 

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We're not here to just hang out 
with some people who are 

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affable. 
We're here because we want to 

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meet with you and your Holy 
Spirit is your personal presence

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with your people. 
And so, Lord, would you fill us 

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freshly with your Holy Spirit. 
We would not walk away thinking,

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oh, that was a nice message or I
would have said some things 

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differently than him. 
But instead, I pray that we 

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would walk away thinking. 
I heard from God this morning. 

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I met with God this morning. 
Oh, that that would be true 

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about us this morning. 
All God's people prayed. 

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Amen. 
You can have a seat. 

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All right, I'm going to zoom in 
on one observation that I think 

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you notice across those four 
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The Holy Spirit was referred to 
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personal pronouns. 
He, he, he, and himself. 

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Those are all personal pronouns.
And that observation, that 

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simple observation, is going to 
form the direction for the rest 

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of the sermon. 
Francis Chan famously wrote a 

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book called The Forgotten God a 
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Anybody read that? 
It was a good book. 

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I recommend it. 
What Chan does is he he exhorts 

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people in that book that the 
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person of the Trinity that we 
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It's a it's a good book. 
I recommend it. 

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But what I'm going to do this 
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like the opposite end of that. 
So Chan focused on the Holy 

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Spirit as the forgotten God. 
What I want to do this morning 

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is because often times we 
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God or as divine or as Yahweh, 
but sometimes we have the 

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tendency to reduce the Holy 
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impersonal force like gravity. 
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the fraught and God, my theme 
this morning is going to be the 

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forgotten person, particularly 
our temptation to depersonalize 

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the Holy Spirit into nothing 
more than gravity or an 

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objective truth. 
So here's here's the big 

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question. 
I'm going to hammer you with 

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this all morning long. 
The big question is you may know

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the Holy Spirit as a concept. 
You may know the Holy Spirit as 

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a doctrine. 
You may know the Holy Spirit as 

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an idea, but do you know the 
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It's my big question for you 
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Do you know the Spirit as a 
person? 

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This is not a coal observation, 
right? 

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This is a, this is every 
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Is my mic off? 
It turned off. 

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Did I say something that 
bothered you back there, Carl? 

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Yeah, I'm off. 
I don't know. 

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It's on. 
So I'm just going to preach 

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loud. 
You like that? 

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No needed that encouragement, 
bro. 

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I was going to feed off of that.
All right, so here's where I'm 

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here's where I'm going. 
We're just we're going to do 

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some theology up front. 
Every Christian denomination 

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that is biblical refers to the 
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person. 
We we've got a word what we put.

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Oh, it just fell down. 
Been reading too much GQ bro. 

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So every every every 
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refers to the Holy Spirit as 
both God and person. 

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We we have a word for Christian 
denominations that refer to the 

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Holy Spirit not as God or not as
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That word is heretical. 
OK, Like, for instance, I was in

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the car about a month ago with 
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just out of the blue, I was 
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So I was like, what was that, 
honey? 

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What? 
And I, I turned the music down 

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and she said, you know, Dad, 
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I was like, this should be 
interesting. 

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She says, I, I've been thinking 
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the Holy Spirit. 
And I was like, Oh yeah, what 

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have you been thinking about? 
The Father, Son, the Holy 

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Spirit? 
And she said, I've been thinking

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that actually we just, we just 
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I was like, the whole Christian 
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it. 
And they would say you're a 

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heretic Della. 
So I pulled over and I made her 

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walk home. 
I didn't, I didn't do that. 

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I didn't do that. 
I didn't do that. 

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But I just just what watch this.
Here's here's the Catechism of 

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the Catholic Church. 
Even our Roman Catholic brothers

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and sisters say the Trinity or 
God the Trinity is 1. 

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We do not confess 3 gods della 
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one God and three everybody say 
Persons, one God and three 

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persons. 
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proper name of the third person 
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Now it's not just our Roman 
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the other side of the aisle all 
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of God friends. 
Joseph, your people, our 

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assembly of God's friends say in
in their catechism quote, the 

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Holy Spirit is a divine 
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with God the Father, Co equal 
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same nature. 
He is a person, not a thing or 

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mere influence. 
If you don't like catechisms or 

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you don't like theology, here's 
CS Lewis. 

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Lewis is talking about the 
Trinitarian nature with the 

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Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and
particularly the Father's social

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life with the Son. 
How the Father loves the Son and

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the Son loves the Father. 
How the Father delights in the 

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Son and the Son delights in the 
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And Lewis goes on to write what 
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the Father and Son. 
So their love and delight in one

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another. 
He said it was so profound and 

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thick that that delight stands 
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but as a person. 
What goes out of the joint life 

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of the Father and the Son is a 
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It's in fact the third of the 
three persons who are called 

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God. 
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in technical language, the Holy 
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Here's here's what I'm saying. 
The Holy Spirit is personal. 

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So my big question for you this 
morning is I know you can 

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articulate who the Spirit is. 
I know you can say some stuff 

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about the Holy Spirit. 
My question for you is, do you 

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know the Holy Spirit personally?
You're going to love us. 

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About a year ago, I, I overheard
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son and daughter arguing in the 
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So I did what every good parent 
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I eavesdropped, right? 
I heard them. 

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I heard them arguing. 
And so I went to the corner and 

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I was about to walk into the 
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I'm just actually going to lean 
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going to listen to what they're 
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And Della was saying, no, 
Russell, he, he doesn't, he 

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can't. 
To which Russell diplomatically 

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and gently, but still forcefully
said, you're wrong, Della. 

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He can, you've just never seen 
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So I'm, I could have, I could 
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answered whatever argument it 
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I didn't want to do that though,
so I just kept on eavesdropping.

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So I was leaning against the 
corner listening to my kids 

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argue. 
And then they revealed the 

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subject about me that they were 
arguing about. 

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Della said no Russell, dad 
doesn't cry, he can't cry. 

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To which Russell said, yes 
Della, everybody can cry. 

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You've just never seen dad cry. 
And so my 4 year old, she was 4 

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at the time, she's 5 now. 
But apparently my my daughter 

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literally thought of me as an 
impersonal force that doesn't 

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even have an emotional life and 
doesn't have the capacity to 

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cry, which would hurt my 
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common. 
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most people view their authority
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Piaget, a famous childhood 
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fact that children view their 
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they tend to view their parents 
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primarily as need meters and 
primarily as optical removers, 

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he said. 
He said it's actually necessary 

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for the psychological safety of 
children to imagine their 

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parents as impersonal forces. 
And if they knew that their 

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parents weren't Superman or 
Superwoman, they would probably 

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never develop emotional safety. 
That's that's natural to them. 

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And so the fact that your kids 
view you as an impersonal force 

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that's just there to meet needs 
and remove obstacles and and 

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make rules is actually it's, 
it's totally normal. 

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But PJ also argued that if 
children never mature, if they 

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just never mature to the point 
of realizing that their parents 

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are persons with real wills and 
real personalities and real 

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stories and real motivations, if
they never mature to the point 

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of realizing their parents were 
persons, then their relationship

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with their parents would be 
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Number one, delayed empathy. 
They would never even think to 

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imagine that there are emotions 
going on inside of your head and

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heart. 
That's bad. 

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That's bad, right? 
Secondly, shallow communication.

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I'll talk to my mom or dad if I 
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Shallow communication or third, 
relational immaturity. 

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And so as I was leaning against 
that corner listening, listening

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to my daughter adamantly argue 
that I don't even have the 

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capacity to cry it, it dawned on
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That's the same way that I 
tended to view my dad growing 

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up. 
Like I only saw my dad cry 2 

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times when I lived underneath 
the roof of his house, and both 

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of them were huge moments of 
revelation for me. 

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The 1st is when my grandfather 
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I remember seeing my dad 
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casket, weeping. 
The second one was after my last

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high school wrestling match. 
I remember him bear hugging me, 

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weeping and telling me that he 
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And do you know what I thought 
during both of those moments? 

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Both of those moments, it was 
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revelation. 
I remember thinking, Huh, I 

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don't even know he could do 
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You know, I don't even know 
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And again, this is the most 
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This is the way that people tend
to view all of their authority 

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figures. 
Kids tend to see their parents 

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impersonally. 
Churches tend to see their 

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pastors and personally, 
employees tend to see their 

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employers impersonally. 
Students tend to see their 

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teachers impersonally. 
Like, I remember when I was a 

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high school English teacher, I 
remember one Friday night 

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bumping into one of my students 
at Target. 

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And I swear that student looked 
like they had just seen a ghost.

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And I came around the the corner
at Target, like with deodorant 

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in my hand. 
And the student like stopped in 

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their tracks and they were like,
dyke, what are you doing here? 

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I was like, I was like, what? 
Getting deal? 

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Like I was like, do you think 
that I just live at the high 

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school? 
And she said, I guess kind of it

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just had never even seemed to 
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personal life that existed 
beyond the scope of their needs 

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for a teacher. 
I just lived in the high school,

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Some most natural thing in the 
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And so there I was, leaning 
against the corner of that wall,

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listening to my daughter argue 
adamantly that I didn't even 

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have the capacity to cry. 
And it dawned on me, yes, this 

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is how I view my dad. 
Yes, this is how I tend to view 

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my authority figures. 
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realization I had was this. 
I went, oh, that's actually how 

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I tend to view the Holy Spirit. 
Like I tend to view the Holy 

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Spirit as not even having the 
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It's not even having the 
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grieved. 
Did you know the Bible says that

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you can grieve the Holy Spirit 
or quenched? 

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Paul says don't quench the Holy 
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Do you know why he says that? 
Because you can, you can quench 

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the Spirit, you can grieve the 
Holy Spirit. 

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I recognize in that moment that 
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same way that my kids tend to 
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meter, as obstacle remover, 
perhaps as crazy uncle, right? 

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I go to the Father of the Son if
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sanctification or encouragement 
or growth. 

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But I go to my crazy uncle Holy 
Spirit if I need something weird

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like speaking in tongues. 
I tend to view them 

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impersonally. 
I tend to view them as gravity 

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right, you know? 
You know the way that you view 

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the way that you view gravity, 
right? 

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It's, it's all around us. 
No matter what we do, it's out 

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there doing its thing. 
So I may as well take it for 

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granted. 
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He's omniscient, he's 
omnipresent. 

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He's everywhere all the time. 
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with them? 
And the reason I'm pressing into

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this is because when we see the 
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relationship with them tends to 
be characterized by the three 

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categories that Piaget already 
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It tends to be characterized by 
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It just never even occurs to us 
that the Holy Spirit has a will 

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and desires and motives and 
personhood and in existence 

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apart from meeting our needs 
right. 

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If we view the Holy Spirit and 
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relationship with them tends to 
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by shallow communication. 
I'll go to the Spirit if I need 

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something, but absolutely 
nothing beyond that delayed 

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empathy, shallow communication, 
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So let me ask you again, do you 
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I know you can articulate who 
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I know that you know the Holy 
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know a baseball card. 
You kind of know the stats. 

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I had like, I had like 300 Ken 
Griffey junior baseball cards 

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when I was I was obsessed with 
Griffey. 

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I can tell you the stats, right?
I had a baseball card 

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relationship with Ken Griffey 
Junior. 

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If you went to Ken Griffey 
Junior and you're like, hey, 

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what do you think about cold 
Eikey? 

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You know what he would say, who 
is this your relationship with 

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the Holy Spirit? 
You know his stats. 

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But if you really engage with 
his spirit and you're like, Hey,

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do you know cold Eikey what the 
Holy Spirit say who in Germany, 

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this was only a couple years 
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This was the year 2020. 
Some theologians did a did a 

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study, a pretty extensive one, 
where they wanted to see if they

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can make any observations about 
whether or not the image that we

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hold in our mind of God has any 
sort of quantitative impact on 

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the quality of our relationship 
with God. 

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And this is not going to 
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I think this is just a nice 
study to hear that kind of maybe

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supports traditional historic 
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So this isn't going to surprise 
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But what they did is they asked 
the participants to describe how

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they viewed God. 
And based on the image that they

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used to describe God, they 
divided people into two 

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different categories. 
There were people over here who 

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had an image of God as personal,
and there were people over here 

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who have an image of God as 
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And so this is really helpful 
because right now in new Age 

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spirituality, it's really trendy
and it's really cool to describe

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God impersonally, right? 
To describe God as, you know, 

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he's just kind of the force 
behind existence or he's just 

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kind of the vibe that makes me 
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And what this study found is 
that that sounds nice, right? 

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Participants said God is that 
the energy in everything, which 

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is not wrong, but if that's your
only image of the spirit or the 

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spirit is just the fire that 
helps me feel spiritual or the 

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spirit is more of a vibe or 
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All of these things, they sound 
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You know what the problem is? 
The problem is that people who 

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articulated God in their image 
of God as impersonal, they were 

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three times as likely to 
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quote, feeling spiritual 
disconnection, feeling 

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spiritually detached or 
struggling with prayer and 

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emotional connection. 
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people who saw God with personal
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helper, friend, they were three 
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their spiritual life as quote, 
having higher spiritual 

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vitality, showing greater 
resilience and suffering and 

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showing more ethical consistency
in their lives. 

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And so like, these aren't 
surprising findings, right? 

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Really what the only thing that 
finding shows us is that if you 

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see God impersonally, you won't 
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Or that's not surprising. 
If you see God impersonally, you

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won't have a relationship with 
him. 

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So let me ask you one more time.
Do you know the Holy Spirit 

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personally? 
And so like, look, there's, 

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there's a million different ways
that we can press into this and 

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get some practical application. 
OK, no, cool. 

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I kind of struggle with that. 
OK, what do I do? 

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So let me just kind of pluck one
that I think is interesting and 

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I want to compel you to try 
this. 

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OK, so this week what I want you
to do is I want you to practice 

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making small talk with the Holy 
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Small talk and don't hear what 
I'm not saying. 

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I'm a big fan of carving out 
bigger chunks of time to prayer.

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I like carving out 30 minutes or
60 minutes in order to listen 

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deeply to the Spirit. 
I just don't want you to start 

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there. 
I want you to start by learning 

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the skill of making small talk 
with the Holy Spirit. 

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The problem here is that if you 
only come to the Holy Spirit for

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super intense spiritual sessions
once a week on Sunday mornings 

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where you're like, I'm going to 
cram, I want a really special 

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moment with the Holy Spirit. 
So I'm going to take an hour and

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set that aside and just see if I
can really connect with the Holy

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Spirit, I think that's good. 
But if that's all you do, you 

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just try to impatiently cram a 
whole relationship into an hour 

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a week. 
And relationships can't flourish

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under those circumstances. 
And so I think something that's 

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not really talked a lot about in
Christian circles is the fact 

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that we need to learn the skill 
of small talk with the Holy 

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Spirit. 
So let me let me frame this in a

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simple way around a car drive. 
So this week, when you're in 

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your car, whether you're driving
to work or you're driving to a 

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friend's house or you're driving
back home, I don't care. 

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I want you to do three things. 
Every time you hit a stop sign, 

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I want you to to stop for a 
second and just pray. 

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Holy Spirit, enlighten me. 
Just be open to small talk with 

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the Spirit. 
Be open to whether or not the 

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Holy Spirit wants to say 
anything or reveal anything to 

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you during that car ride. 
Just Holy Spirit, enlighten me 

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and see what He does. 
Hypothetically, when you hit a 

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stoplight, you should have a few
more seconds. 

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So when you hit a stoplight, I 
want you to pray this Holy 

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Spirit, search me, write that 
Psalm 51. 

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Search me and know me Spirit. 
Just be open to Spirit. 

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Is there anything off kilter in 
my soul? 

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Are there any sour corners of my
heart that need to be sweetened?

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Is there any sin I need to 
repent of? 

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Is there any gunk in my heart 
that you want to clean out? 

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Holy Spirit, search me. 
And then when you eventually 

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come to a full stop in the 
parking lot or in your driveway 

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or wherever it is you're going, 
I want you to pray. 

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Holy Spirit, send me. 
Begin to view. 

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Wherever you're walking into 
your house, you're being sent by

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the Holy Spirit. 
You're walking into work, you're

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being sent by the Holy Spirit. 
You're walking into to Walmart, 

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you're being sent by the Holy 
Spirit. 

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All three of those prayers will 
form a constellation of things 

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that we could call small talk. 
Enlighten me. 

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Search me. 
Send me. 

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Social commentators tell us that
personal relationships, they're 

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not magic. 
We tend to view personal 

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relationships as well that just 
magically clicked or that 

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magically happened. 
Social commentators have a 

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different view. 
They argue that relationships 

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aren't magic. 
They're formed by performing a 

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series of small concrete social 
actions. 

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Well, can I say that again? 
Small, concrete social actions. 

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Well, our struggle to form deep 
relationships isn't because we 

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were born without the personal 
relationship gene. 

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It's not a thing. 
We are all deeply social 

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creatures, whether we're aware 
of that or not. 

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If we struggle with personal 
relationships, it's because we 

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lack practical knowledge about 
how to give others the kind of 

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rich attention that we desire to
receive. 

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And so the point of cultivating 
small talk with the Holy Spirit 

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is to lay the kindling necessary
so that the bigger fire can be 

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lit at a later time. 
Does that make sense? 

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OK, so I want to ask you again, 
do you know the Holy Spirit 

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personally or is he just an idea
to you? 

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I'm just going to say what I 
mean. 

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And it's the steps on your toes.
So be it. 

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I think the reason why so many 
people, so many Christians, see 

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the Holy Spirit as a concept and
not a person is because they 

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don't want the Holy Spirit to be
a person. 

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But that's the problem at the 
bottom. 

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It's that we don't want the 
Spirit to be a person because 

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persons are time consuming. 
They make demands on our lives. 

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They have a will that's separate
from us. 

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If the Holy Spirit is a person, 
he may disagree with me, He may 

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nudge me, He may challenge me, 
He may disagree with me, and he 

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may have conflicting desires of 
me. 

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You know what doesn't do that? 
Concepts don't do that. 

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A concept of something you read 
on a sheet of paper and then you

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memorize it to impress your 
friends. 

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Concepts make they make us feel 
superior about ourselves. 

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They make us feel good about 
ourselves. 

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They don't really challenge us. 
They stay on the page. 

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Like here's the concept. 
Do you know what the word 

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pneumatology means, Jay? 
Do you know the study of what so

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close the study of the spirit? 
That's a concept. 

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Say that later today in everyday
conversation, I guarantee you 

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you'll feel better than the 
other person. 

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00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,520
Seriously, say to you say to one
of your friends today, hey, 

452
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,160
what's your pneumatology, bro? 
And the way that you'll feel is,

453
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,560
well, I feel better about 
myself, makes me feel superior. 

454
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,160
It makes me feel good about 
myself. 

455
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,720
That's what concepts do. 
You memorize them and then you 

456
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,720
impress people with them. 
That's not what persons do. 

457
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,760
A person demands to be communed 
with, and if you commune with 

458
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,440
the Spirit, that's dangerous. 
He might ask you to repent. 

459
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,360
He might ask you to give up a 
comfort. 

460
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,480
He might ask you to go pray for 
somebody in a socially awkward 

461
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,520
situation. 
That's why so many of us want 

462
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,360
the Holy Spirit to be a concept 
and not a person. 

463
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:06,400
Pastors are the same way. 
I want you want to know why so 

464
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,040
many pastors struggle with 
seeing the Holy Spirit as a 

465
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,240
person rather than a concept. 
It's because they don't want the

466
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:17,280
Holy Spirit to be a person. 
Oh my gosh. 

467
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:23,200
If the Holy Spirit is personal, 
he might ask me to set my notes 

468
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:28,880
aside. 
If the Holy Spirit's a person, 

469
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:34,640
he might He might demand me to 
lead the congregation in a 

470
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,320
direction that's not financially
beneficial. 

471
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,720
He might tell me to preach a 
sermon that's not popular. 

472
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,000
It's way easier to see the Holy 
Spirit as a concept on a paper. 

473
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,360
And all I do is I explain it to 
people and we go, Hooray, now we

474
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,720
know what the Spirit is. 
And that's why so many of us 

475
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,880
view the the Spirit as a concept
and and not a person. 

476
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,800
If the Spirit's real, he might, 
he might compel me to give my 

477
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,680
time and energy to somebody who 
has nothing to offer the church 

478
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,920
and will never even volunteer. 
That's not time efficient. 

479
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,000
But the Spirit is a person and 
he has a will. 

480
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,880
And sometimes he leads us in the
direction that we wouldn't go in

481
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,960
our own flesh. 
Do you know him this way? 

482
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,520
Do you know the Spirit 
personally? 

483
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,720
And if your answer to this is 
no, you're like, man, I have 

484
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,000
depersonalized the Holy Spirit. 
If you have depersonalized the 

485
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,080
Holy Spirit, I have really good 
news for you this morning, 

486
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,360
right? 
If you're like, dude, I've spent

487
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,120
most of my life ignoring the 
Spirit, grieving the Spirit, 

488
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,680
stiff arming the Spirit. 
If that's you, I have really 

489
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,360
good news for you this morning. 
Here it is. 

490
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,920
Jesus died for you. 
Christ was crucified for 

491
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:49,800
sinners. 
Amen. 

492
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,000
Christ was crucified for sinners
while we were yet enemies. 

493
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,600
And by grace through faith, when
we believe in the gospel, we 

494
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:04,040
receive a million gifts from 
God, free, free, free of merit, 

495
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,640
free of achievement. 
When you believe in the gospel, 

496
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,680
you receive the forgiveness of 
sins. 

497
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,840
That's a great gift, Amen. 
When you believe in the gospel, 

498
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,760
you receive the gift of 
righteousness. 

499
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,880
That's a great gift, Amen. 
You receive the gift of heavenly

500
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,920
eternity with God. 
And all of those things are 

501
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,080
awesome. 
They're all great gifts, but 

502
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,560
none of them are the greatest 
gift of the gospel. 

503
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,240
The greatest gift of the gospel 
is not something that God gives 

504
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,520
you. 
The greatest gift of the gospel 

505
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:40,600
is someone that God gives you. 
God gives you himself. 

506
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,520
God's the greatest gift of the 
gospel. 

507
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,240
He gives you the Holy Spirit 
apart from your good works, 

508
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,960
apart from your merit, apart 
from your achievements. 

509
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,000
You get the Holy Spirit and he 
seals you forever. 

510
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,120
That's what makes Christianity 
so unique. 

511
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,800
The unique question of 
Christianity is not are you a 

512
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,480
better person? 
Every religion asks that 

513
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,000
question, right? 
The unique question of 

514
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,200
Christianity is not are you a 
moral person? 

515
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,760
It's good to aim at that. 
The essential question of 

516
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,800
Christianity is not are you a 
religious person, though? 

517
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,720
That's fine. 
None of those things separate 

518
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,640
Christianity from other faiths. 
The essential question that 

519
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,800
Christianity asks is, do you 
know the Spirit personally? 

520
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,240
You know him, Do you walk with 
him? 

521
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:37,560
Do you make space for him? 
He could have been corrected by 

522
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,680
him. 
You're all right with being 

523
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,560
convicted by him. 
Do you listen? 

524
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,320
Do you allow yourself to be 
nudged? 

525
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,000
Or is it just baseball card 
stats? 

526
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,200
Right? 
Because like, if your 

527
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,320
relationship with the Holy 
Spirit is just studying, just 

528
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,200
thinking, just reading, all of 
which are indispensable to 

529
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,880
relationships, all those things 
are important. 

530
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,840
But what I'm saying is if your 
relationship with the Holy 

531
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,080
Spirit is just reading, just 
thinking, just studying, what 

532
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,560
you have with the Holy Spirit is
online dating. 

533
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,920
That's what you're doing. 
You might think you're above 

534
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:24,280
online dating, but if you never 
commune with the Spirit, that's 

535
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,239
all you got. 
It's long distance relationship 

536
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,400
all right. 
If if it's all reading and 

537
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,800
studying and no relationship, 
then you and the Holy Spirit, 

538
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,679
you have never made it past 
Christian mingles.com you're 

539
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:39,920
still on it. 
Sorry, Joseph, what was yours? 

540
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,639
Christian farmers only that's 
the one. 

541
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,000
If your relationship with the 
Spirit resembles online dating 

542
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,639
more than a lifelong marriage, I
just want to tell you there's so

543
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:58,000
much more for you. 
If it's all reading, no warmth, 

544
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:04,680
all theory, no embrace, all 
hypothesis, no spark, all 

545
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:09,280
speculation, no life, I'm 
telling you there's more for you

546
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,280
in the Christian life. 
Look at the cross. 

547
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,200
Jesus didn't die on the cross 
for online dating. 

548
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:21,800
He wants a lifelong, personal, 
warm, covenantal, lived 

549
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,560
relationship with you. 
The Holy Spirit is an on dating 

550
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,520
apps. 
He's not interested in only 

551
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:34,360
being known through his bio. 
He wants to be known by you. 

552
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:43,880
He wants to be known by you. 
So let's get to know Heavenly 

553
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,480
Father. 
Yeah. 

554
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,440
I just pray that this moment 
would be a moment where perhaps 

555
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:56,240
we reconnect with your spirit. 
We tend, I tend to make a ton of

556
00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:59,720
assumptions about the Holy 
Spirit and just be like, you 

557
00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:02,840
know, the Holy Spirit. 
He's just there for all the 

558
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,920
weird stuff, you know, Maybe if 
I want a prophetic word, I'll go

559
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,720
to him. 
Or maybe if I want to speak in 

560
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:12,200
tongues, I'll go to him. 
I want something weird, I'll go 

561
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,920
to the Holy Spirit. 
But otherwise, Nah. 

562
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,920
And so, Lord, I just confess 
that I have treated the Spirit 

563
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:27,080
as a force and not as a person. 
And so, Lord, I know you forgive

564
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,440
me and I receive that 
forgiveness, but also would you 

565
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:36,600
just give me the power to live a
lived relationship with the Holy

566
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:47,320
Spirit where I listen and open 
and nudged by and even even that

567
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,120
word that Reformed people are 
allergic to feel. 

568
00:36:52,360 --> 00:37:01,480
I pray that we would also feel 
that your Holy Spirit, you are 

569
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:08,040
so relational and social, God 
the Father, Son and Holy Spirit,

570
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,840
before time even began, before 
you, Lord, before you ever the 

571
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,040
star, the Father was in love 
with the sun, the sun was in 

572
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,240
love with the Spirit, and the 
Spirit was in love with the 

573
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:19,480
Father. 
And the Father delighted in the 

574
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,080
Spirit, and the Spirit delighted
in the sun, and the sun 

575
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,680
delighted in the Father. 
And there was this triune dance.

576
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,720
And that tells me that you did 
not create us as your image 

577
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:31,680
bearers to just be people who 
put you under a microscope 

578
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,280
inside of you. 
You created us to bring us into 

579
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,520
what the New Testament calls 
participants of the divine 

580
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,880
nature. 
We're swept up in relationship 

581
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,480
with you so that the Father 
loves the Son, the Son loves the

582
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,720
Spirit, the Spirit loves coal, 
and coal loves the Father. 

583
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:51,000
We're swept up into that tribe 
pants. 

584
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:53,120
And so, Lord, would you do that 
for us this morning? 

585
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:05,200
Soften our hearts, open our 
ears, nudge us, push us, pull 

586
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:13,240
us, embrace us, hug us, shake 
us, speak to us, and may we walk

587
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:17,160
out as people who say yes, I 
know the Holy Spirit person. 

588
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,400
So it's in the precious name of 
Jesus that all gods being 

589
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:20,840
prayed.
