1 00:00:05,500 --> 00:00:08,900 Welcome to today's broadcast of lead to serve a leadership 2 00:00:08,900 --> 00:00:13,900 podcast with Ed Taylor. We welcome again to another 3 00:00:13,900 --> 00:00:17,200 edition of the lead to serve podcast. 4 00:00:17,500 --> 00:00:20,200 My name is Ed Taylor. And I Pastor here at Calvary 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:25,300 Church in Aurora, Colorado and we have the privilege of putting 6 00:00:25,300 --> 00:00:29,600 this podcast together every week to talk about leadership. 7 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,700 And Servanthood how they go together. 8 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,900 You know, we want to learn how to serve. 9 00:00:34,900 --> 00:00:39,200 Well then we're going to lead well and then if we lead, well, 10 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,300 we're going to absolutely serve well and on this particular 11 00:00:43,300 --> 00:00:47,600 season, I've had in studio with me and I want to welcome again, 12 00:00:47,900 --> 00:00:49,800 Pastor. Bob Clay Camp, welcome, Bob. 13 00:00:51,100 --> 00:00:55,400 Hey, it's great to be with you again, you can hear the, the 14 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,300 technology or his voice. Sounds a little bit different 15 00:00:58,300 --> 00:01:01,300 because we haven't been able to be in studio. 16 00:01:01,900 --> 00:01:06,700 We're doing this by telephone on this episode and the next one at 17 00:01:06,700 --> 00:01:10,900 the least because Pastor Bob has been on assignment and we didn't 18 00:01:10,900 --> 00:01:14,500 anticipate necessarily the assignment how long it would be 19 00:01:14,500 --> 00:01:16,000 and we didn't know how long it would be. 20 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:21,500 And so, he still on assignment and I think as we step Today's 21 00:01:21,500 --> 00:01:26,600 episode Bob we've got the topic of leading with a limp and 22 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,700 before we get into the topic, though, why don't you fill us in 23 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,300 very briefly of what On Assignment means? 24 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,900 What's the ministry? You are a part of, I mean, I 25 00:01:36,908 --> 00:01:40,800 know you're on our team here and you're a phenomenal addition to 26 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,900 our team, but you are also in a Ministry. 27 00:01:43,900 --> 00:01:45,400 You also have a Ministry that you do. 28 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:46,900 Why don't you tell everyone listening? 29 00:01:47,100 --> 00:01:49,600 A little bit about that and what your assignment is right now, 30 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,900 sure. I pastored for about twenty, 31 00:01:52,900 --> 00:01:56,800 nine years in Phoenix, in the north part of Phoenix and then 32 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,700 turn that church over to our Second Son. 33 00:02:01,700 --> 00:02:05,100 The board voted for him to take the church and so, that freed up 34 00:02:05,100 --> 00:02:08,699 my wife and I to go around and be able to help out other 35 00:02:08,699 --> 00:02:12,000 pastors and wives all around the world. 36 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,700 Actually, at how it ended up and the ministry that were a part of 37 00:02:16,700 --> 00:02:21,400 it's called pointman Ministries, and the word pointman is, Angela 38 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:25,400 sighs, Greek word Point, may know which means to Shepherd or 39 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:31,400 pastor and our there's about 13 pastors and wives that are 40 00:02:31,500 --> 00:02:34,800 longtime Calvary. Chapel pastors that are hard is 41 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,900 to go around and to assist other pastors and wives. 42 00:02:38,900 --> 00:02:43,300 Whether it's to just provide encouragement, or maybe a set of 43 00:02:43,300 --> 00:02:47,300 fresh eyes coming into their Church, to see what things can 44 00:02:47,300 --> 00:02:52,100 be freshened up and changed and the Station goes only to the 45 00:02:52,100 --> 00:02:56,800 senior pastor and other times we step into a situation where 46 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:01,200 there's a transition that needs to be done for various reasons 47 00:03:01,300 --> 00:03:05,800 and that kind of transition is what my wife and I are involved 48 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:10,400 in up here in Northern Colorado, in a community called Windsor 49 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,800 Colorado, the pastor and his wife died in a tragic car, 50 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:20,300 accident back in July and we were asked to step in and see 51 00:03:20,300 --> 00:03:22,600 the church. Each through the healing process 52 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,900 and help them in the establishment of finding their 53 00:03:25,900 --> 00:03:31,900 next Pastor. So that's part of what we do and 54 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:37,000 it's a very fulfilling, very challenging outside our comfort 55 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:42,300 zone so many times but we're up here in the area of Greeley 56 00:03:42,300 --> 00:03:47,200 Windsor. Loveland Fort Collins to see how 57 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,400 the Lord is going to see us through it. 58 00:03:50,100 --> 00:03:53,900 And just, by way of reminder, Bob, how many total years have 59 00:03:53,900 --> 00:03:57,300 you been in Ministry, including pastoral Ministry? 60 00:03:59,900 --> 00:04:05,400 Ever, since I became a Believer, he jumped right into things back 61 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,000 in 1969. That's when we encountered 62 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,600 Calvary Chapel, they came up to Oregon. 63 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,900 So watching the Jesus Revolution movie just brought brought back 64 00:04:14,900 --> 00:04:19,300 memories. So, you know, those days of 65 00:04:19,300 --> 00:04:23,600 laying hands on the car to get it started and all that. 66 00:04:23,900 --> 00:04:25,600 Yeah. Maybe you lived in one of those 67 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,500 communal Ministry houses than you. 68 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,500 Yeah, yeah. Yeah I ran I was in charge of 69 00:04:30,500 --> 00:04:33,700 two of them one in Portland. Oregon one in Richmond Virginia. 70 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,500 We planted. Yeah. 71 00:04:36,500 --> 00:04:38,100 Amazing Days. Lots of stories. 72 00:04:38,100 --> 00:04:39,600 Yeah. I think before we end this 73 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,600 season we're going to have a Jesus Revolution conversation on 74 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,700 this. I think I think many people 75 00:04:45,700 --> 00:04:47,400 would love to hear your perspective. 76 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:48,700 Okay. Yeah, good. 77 00:04:48,700 --> 00:04:51,700 We got it just came to mind but today, so thanks for that 78 00:04:51,700 --> 00:04:53,800 Insight your up in Northern Colorado. 79 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,700 And I know that you're bringing you and Jeanie your wife or 80 00:04:56,700 --> 00:04:59,800 bringing a solid state. Stability. 81 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,000 That's the word I think of all. We were studying this week about 82 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,000 Moses and Aaron and Hur. And one of the words that that 83 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,800 stuck out in Exodus 17 to me, which will be our next episode 84 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,100 actually. But one of the words that stood 85 00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:16,000 out to me was steady and I think you brought an are bringing 86 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,000 currently a steadiness to a church. 87 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:23,300 That was deeply deeply hurt, which brings us to our topic 88 00:05:23,300 --> 00:05:28,000 today, be the church was hurt by the sudden it was sudden. 89 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:35,100 Idiot tragic loss. And it really hit the church 90 00:05:35,100 --> 00:05:36,300 hard. I mean, I hit our community 91 00:05:36,300 --> 00:05:38,500 hard, it's cotton Nancy were. Yes. 92 00:05:38,500 --> 00:05:40,600 Wonderful. Wonderful pillars. 93 00:05:40,900 --> 00:05:43,200 Within the calvary family throughout Colorado and they 94 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,100 have been almost. I think I've known him almost 95 00:05:46,100 --> 00:05:50,600 since when I moved here and he was serving in Colorado Springs. 96 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,900 And and so right, I share a little bit of that and I think 97 00:05:53,900 --> 00:05:57,600 it's important for you to give us a little perspective because 98 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:03,900 Limping implies a permanent pain. 99 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:09,000 That limping is a, is adjustment to some type of pain or previous 100 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,700 injury. And I think that you guys 101 00:06:12,700 --> 00:06:19,800 listening in right now words like hurt, bruised, battered 102 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:26,200 worn-out, hindered, you could think of the ways, it was it's 103 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,000 happened. Lied, lied about Slandered 104 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,900 families coming and going, you know, especially as we have this 105 00:06:33,900 --> 00:06:36,600 kind of sub-theme of ministering post. 106 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,200 Pandemic. Ministering to others is 107 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,000 difficult. It's hard. 108 00:06:41,100 --> 00:06:45,400 It's challenging. And because of that, we get 109 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,300 injured as leaders and servants and this is both Pat from the 110 00:06:49,300 --> 00:06:53,500 Pastoral level to overseeing a life group, or a homegroup, we 111 00:06:53,500 --> 00:06:56,300 get hurt. We get battered and bruised. 112 00:06:56,300 --> 00:06:58,700 I love that word, but we still need to move forward. 113 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,000 Because of what God has called us to do. 114 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,800 And so just as we begin any initial thoughts on the topic 115 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,200 like you've been doing this a long time Bob. 116 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,800 So I'm going to, I'm going to just go out on a limb and say 117 00:07:11,100 --> 00:07:16,100 that you have you have led with a limp? 118 00:07:16,900 --> 00:07:18,800 Can you talk about that? Yeah. 119 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:23,700 When I when I think of that topic I think of David who 120 00:07:23,700 --> 00:07:30,600 became king later but When he first came into the picture with 121 00:07:31,700 --> 00:07:38,400 the Goliath scene and the armies of Israel, his rationale was he 122 00:07:38,900 --> 00:07:43,500 fought with a lion and a bear as a as a little guy watching his 123 00:07:43,500 --> 00:07:48,300 father's sheep and he put his life at risk to rescue that 124 00:07:48,300 --> 00:07:54,200 sheep and he says that he grabbed it by the beard to take 125 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,200 the lamb out of its mouth. Mean, I can't even do that with 126 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,500 my dogs and take something out of its mouth, that it was. 127 00:08:00,500 --> 00:08:07,500 And so I'm wondering what kind of scars were on David with a 128 00:08:07,500 --> 00:08:15,300 close encounter of the seventh kind of went, he's ripping out a 129 00:08:15,300 --> 00:08:18,000 lamb out of the mouth of a lion or out of a bear. 130 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:25,400 And so those scars to David, were Victory scars because those 131 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:30,000 scars remind In the name of God's Victory and they became 132 00:08:30,300 --> 00:08:34,400 his, they became a testimony to him that no matter how big the 133 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,900 enemy he could win. And God has this way of taking 134 00:08:37,900 --> 00:08:42,200 our scars and turn them into Victory scars and our limps like 135 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:48,900 Jacob had and turning them into Victory scars as well. 136 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:54,500 I was thinking it would be counterintuitive to think that 137 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,500 leadership would be a attached to two limping. 138 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,900 Like it's counterintuitive to think that through our 139 00:09:01,900 --> 00:09:04,000 weaknesses. We're going to lead better the 140 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,400 world teaches just the opposite. Yes. 141 00:09:06,900 --> 00:09:13,000 I mean it was preparation per day that for later on and going 142 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:17,100 through times of Brokenness which is kind of a the name of 143 00:09:17,100 --> 00:09:22,600 the umbrella that maybe all this falls into is a is a preparation 144 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:28,100 that the Lord allows to be able to bring empathy to be able to 145 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:33,900 bring humility to be able to bring perspective in what you're 146 00:09:33,900 --> 00:09:37,500 doing because you're not dealing with car engines, where you're 147 00:09:37,500 --> 00:09:41,000 just trying to fix it. You're dealing with people and 148 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,300 it's all fluid and you never know. 149 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,500 I mean, it's worse than a like Forrest Gump said, it's worse 150 00:09:46,500 --> 00:09:48,700 than a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going 151 00:09:48,700 --> 00:09:51,700 to get. So, Many times you're trying to 152 00:09:51,700 --> 00:09:54,700 help somebody and all of a sudden all this other stuff 153 00:09:54,700 --> 00:09:58,400 comes out. And and but the holy spirit is 154 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:03,300 sufficient, I mean, God's grace is sufficient to be able to help 155 00:10:03,300 --> 00:10:10,400 us when we are shocked with what is unfolding in front of us, you 156 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,400 know, in this episode comes what you and I are talking about 157 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,700 right now comes on the heels of our, our last episode doubting 158 00:10:17,900 --> 00:10:20,200 wondering if we should be in the ministry or not or whether Sir, 159 00:10:20,208 --> 00:10:24,500 we should lead or not and it really does these blows these 160 00:10:24,500 --> 00:10:29,400 hardships. These difficulties, these this, 161 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:34,300 these attacks, these, you know, I think of I think of within the 162 00:10:34,300 --> 00:10:36,900 church. There are people issues there 163 00:10:36,900 --> 00:10:40,700 are money issues, there are Vision issues, there's 164 00:10:40,700 --> 00:10:44,200 insecurities, there are fears and anxieties. 165 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,500 And we're if we're not careful, we try to spend our whole life 166 00:10:48,500 --> 00:10:52,000 to get out from under them, instead of Embracing the this 167 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,900 fact and David said, this in Psalm 34 Verse 18, the Lord is 168 00:10:56,900 --> 00:11:03,300 near to those who have a broken heart and save such as have a 169 00:11:03,300 --> 00:11:08,600 contrite spirit that The Nearness of the Lord comes 170 00:11:09,100 --> 00:11:14,100 through these broken situations. And here's the thing and I'm 171 00:11:14,100 --> 00:11:16,600 good, I've been guilty of this and I wonder if you have as 172 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,100 well. I won't speak for you but I've 173 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,600 absolutely been guilty. Of trying to get as far away 174 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,700 from Brokenness and pain as I possibly can. 175 00:11:25,700 --> 00:11:30,100 And I've done it by getting trying to trying to get back. 176 00:11:30,100 --> 00:11:32,100 I've done it by going on vacation. 177 00:11:32,100 --> 00:11:34,400 I've done it by burying myself in a book. 178 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,400 I've done it by silent treatment. 179 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,900 I've done it in so many different fleshly ways. 180 00:11:41,900 --> 00:11:46,700 It's when the Lord's almost saying but Ed this is a gift I'm 181 00:11:46,700 --> 00:11:50,000 giving to you. That's going to draw you. 182 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,400 Dear to me. And when you draw near to me I 183 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,900 draw near to you have you found yourself trying to run away from 184 00:11:56,900 --> 00:11:58,700 Brokenness? Oh yes. 185 00:11:58,700 --> 00:12:03,600 Absolutely, absolutely. I mean I want to finish well, 186 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,100 I've made a lot of mistakes in my life and I don't have much 187 00:12:07,100 --> 00:12:09,800 time to make any more mistakes and to recover from them. 188 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:15,200 And so I want to finish well, and I asked the Lord, so often 189 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,800 Lord just give me common sense. I need common sense because I 190 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,700 don't want to make a foolish mistake and then I don't have 191 00:12:22,700 --> 00:12:30,100 much time to reap out out of it and so but you discover in those 192 00:12:30,100 --> 00:12:35,200 times of Brokenness and pain and and being way in over your head, 193 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:41,800 Deuteronomy 33 says underneath are the Everlasting Arms and so 194 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:46,800 how can we learn the depth of God's Comfort unless he allows 195 00:12:47,100 --> 00:12:53,400 deep trial and then he shows his Deeper comfort and restoration 196 00:12:53,400 --> 00:13:00,300 and and the grace and you get a heart knowledge of it and so 197 00:13:01,100 --> 00:13:05,500 those are necessary. I mean, any leader has to have 198 00:13:05,500 --> 00:13:09,800 times of Brokenness to be able to have a depth of ministry that 199 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,700 were depth is super important because I think that the Jesus 200 00:13:13,700 --> 00:13:16,900 would teach us that the way up is down, if you want to be great 201 00:13:16,900 --> 00:13:20,800 in God's kingdom, you need to be the servant of all And when we 202 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:25,500 speak of depth, you know, going down and let God doing deep deep 203 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:30,000 work in us, I was reminded of another place that Hebrew word 204 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,100 contrite is used in Isaiah, 57 in verse 15. 205 00:13:34,100 --> 00:13:36,200 It says for thus, says the high and lofty. 206 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:40,000 One who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy. 207 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:45,700 I dwell in the high and holy place with him, who has a 208 00:13:45,700 --> 00:13:49,600 contrite in a humble spirit. And then he says, to revive the 209 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,900 spirit. A humble and to revive the heart 210 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,100 of the contrite ones. And and so the work of the Holy 211 00:13:56,100 --> 00:14:00,500 Spirit going, deep, that work of Revival comes from Brokenness. 212 00:14:00,700 --> 00:14:06,600 It comes from a depth directly acknowledging that this is what 213 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,200 I'm doing, what? What I'm involved in, even my 214 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:15,900 identity is in Christ to serve him well and not to hide, you 215 00:14:15,900 --> 00:14:19,900 know, one of the ways that we respond to Brokenness and and 216 00:14:20,100 --> 00:14:22,400 Limping. As we try to hide it, we try to 217 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,500 downplay it, we try to deny it because we there's a sense and 218 00:14:26,500 --> 00:14:28,800 you guys listening in. Like I'm sure you felt this. 219 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,100 Like if I show any sign of weakness then people won't 220 00:14:32,100 --> 00:14:34,800 follow me. If I show any sign of weakness 221 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,700 then people won't trust me. I mean they're good they're good 222 00:14:39,700 --> 00:14:42,800 thoughts but not necessarily going to lead you. 223 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,600 If you're not careful that they won't lead you to the right 224 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,000 conclusion because of course people will follow you there. 225 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,500 Broken two and Course people will trust you. 226 00:14:51,500 --> 00:14:54,000 I mean some won't but we're not going to we're not going to 227 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,300 serve people by the some we're going to serve people by what's 228 00:14:57,300 --> 00:15:00,500 right before the Lord. We're going to have the fear of 229 00:15:00,500 --> 00:15:05,000 God, not the fear of man. And yes, let's go back to a 230 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,100 moment. Let's go back. 231 00:15:06,300 --> 00:15:09,100 Bob in your thinking to Jacob for a second because 232 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,100 commentators Bible teachers, they'll take the wrestling with 233 00:15:13,100 --> 00:15:19,000 God and draw out a lot of a lot of key expository. 234 00:15:20,100 --> 00:15:21,700 It's on them. But I want to suggest one to you 235 00:15:21,708 --> 00:15:24,200 and I want your thoughts on it. You haven't told you this yet. 236 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,100 So I want you to think about this, they're the depth and the 237 00:15:28,100 --> 00:15:35,900 quality of life that was built into Jacob during that time of 238 00:15:35,900 --> 00:15:38,500 wrestling. I want you to consider this, it 239 00:15:38,500 --> 00:15:43,900 was in wrestling with God, that Jacob found his true identity 240 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:49,100 because his name was changed. It was changed from supplanter 241 00:15:49,100 --> 00:15:54,600 to To being ruled by God and no longer trying to be enrolled 242 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,800 under his own strength and doing his own thing. 243 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,600 And although that was a part. If we would using New Covenant 244 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,400 terms that would be a part of his flesh. 245 00:16:01,500 --> 00:16:05,600 The rest of his life, his identity came through the 246 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,600 wrestling and also through the final, the final, you know, hip 247 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:15,100 socket, God dealing with him and he's going to walk around with a 248 00:16:15,100 --> 00:16:18,400 limp the rest of his life. So his limp actually reminded 249 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:22,300 him of It was a constant reminder of his true identity. 250 00:16:22,300 --> 00:16:26,000 What do you think about that? I believe that with all my heart 251 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,000 because he was going to be facing some serious serious 252 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,300 things in the future as he entered into the land, dealing 253 00:16:33,300 --> 00:16:37,900 with well, starting off dealing with Esau and, and then, coming 254 00:16:37,900 --> 00:16:41,600 into shechem with what happened with his daughter Dinah, and 255 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:46,800 then everybody's against me, you know, about and how and then the 256 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:52,000 the loss of Rachel and then the loss of Joseph and and all the 257 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,200 rest of it. And so, all during that he had 258 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,600 that limp and all they could do was fall back upon the fact. 259 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:05,300 Like the only way I can win through this is to Prevail 260 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:11,200 through prayer through intercession and we don't like 261 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,800 to have Glimpse. We want to be looking very well 262 00:17:14,900 --> 00:17:18,700 and God brings things into our life, too. 263 00:17:20,099 --> 00:17:24,300 I guess their impact moments, where it changes, our 264 00:17:24,300 --> 00:17:26,300 perspective, for the rest of our life. 265 00:17:26,500 --> 00:17:28,800 In a good way. It's important to you guys 266 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,800 listening in that. Alright, our identity, if we're 267 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,400 looking at identity with relationship to Jacob or now, 268 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:40,400 Israel is not in the limp and that's one of the mistakes I 269 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:45,100 think is made that does not help leadership and servant is that 270 00:17:45,100 --> 00:17:48,900 some have taken the position of. Oh, I'm always going through it 271 00:17:48,900 --> 00:17:51,900 and they're attacking me again. And what their identity is in 272 00:17:51,900 --> 00:17:54,200 the limp. Their identity is in the plan 273 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,300 that they're facing instead of no, no, no, that that's part of 274 00:17:57,300 --> 00:17:59,600 life. But your identity is to be ruled 275 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:04,300 by God, your identity is to be that Mom at home, or to be that 276 00:18:04,300 --> 00:18:08,900 employee, or that leader that Ministry overseer, or that our 277 00:18:08,900 --> 00:18:13,500 identities, not in the limp, it's in who we are in Christ. 278 00:18:13,500 --> 00:18:17,500 But the limp reminds us and I've never, I've always had Ministry 279 00:18:17,500 --> 00:18:21,700 stuff happening in my life and you No normal everyday stuff. 280 00:18:21,900 --> 00:18:25,800 But when our son passed away 10 years ago that this, this was 281 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,100 super challenging it transformed my life. 282 00:18:28,100 --> 00:18:34,100 The, the loss of my son was a transformative moment in time 283 00:18:34,100 --> 00:18:38,600 that has been ongoing for 10 years that intertwined with all 284 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,700 these different Temptations and difficulties. 285 00:18:40,700 --> 00:18:46,200 And one of The Temptations was to identify with my loss because 286 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,400 other people would then begin to identify, that's how it all 287 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,700 started. I'm sad and it's hard, and it's 288 00:18:51,700 --> 00:18:54,900 challenging, and it's attacking my marriage, that attacking my 289 00:18:54,900 --> 00:18:59,900 kids, attacking my emotions, and I get back into church, and 290 00:18:59,900 --> 00:19:02,300 there's an identification. Now, that's been added to me. 291 00:19:02,300 --> 00:19:05,100 Now, I have a new limp and it's a pretty obvious limp. 292 00:19:05,100 --> 00:19:08,900 It's that's one thing about limps to guess if we would have 293 00:19:08,900 --> 00:19:11,800 taken some notes for this. We could have said, wow, you 294 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,800 know, lips are pretty obvious to there, that's one of the things 295 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,600 you notice about someone is the way they walk and if they walk 296 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,900 with a limp and And in the Temptation though with something 297 00:19:22,900 --> 00:19:27,400 that's obvious is then to that becomes your identity and we do 298 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,300 live in a culture that and whether we like it or not, that 299 00:19:31,300 --> 00:19:36,100 we're tempted to be the victim because it does, it does send, 300 00:19:36,100 --> 00:19:38,900 it does help us. I mean, it doesn't help. 301 00:19:39,500 --> 00:19:43,000 What am I trying to say it? Like, the victim mentality kind 302 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,000 of caudill's that part of us that needs attention or wants 303 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,100 attention, but the Lord's not in that. 304 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,100 Yeah, we he's given us. The victory by the blood of 305 00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:53,500 Jesus Christ. And I don't want to pause just 306 00:19:53,500 --> 00:19:56,500 for a second and say I've seen this in pastures. 307 00:19:57,100 --> 00:20:00,000 Oh, my church, isn't this? And oh, I don't have these. 308 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,200 Oh, I'm not. Yeah, and before, you know, it 309 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,900 like that that's just something that God has allowed in your 310 00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:09,700 life to draw you near to him. So you can be more usable, not 311 00:20:09,700 --> 00:20:11,100 less. And so, the limp is in your 312 00:20:11,100 --> 00:20:15,000 identity, your identity is in the Victorious, work of the 313 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,800 Cross and the blood that is forgiven, you of your sins and 314 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:22,200 removed, your guilt and shame. And then it reminds me of that 315 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:27,900 illustration of somebody stabbing a knife into your back. 316 00:20:28,500 --> 00:20:33,400 And then you want to make sure everybody sees the knife because 317 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,400 how unjust, how unfair that was so wrong. 318 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,500 Look what they did to me and the Lord wants to heal it, but you 319 00:20:40,500 --> 00:20:43,900 got to take the knife out, but to take the knife out, then 320 00:20:43,900 --> 00:20:46,100 nobody will see it. And so you want to keep the 321 00:20:46,100 --> 00:20:48,900 knife in and wonder why you're in such pain. 322 00:20:50,300 --> 00:20:55,100 But you're using the knife, as your identity, instead of the 323 00:20:55,100 --> 00:20:57,300 victory scar of the Lord healing it. 324 00:20:57,300 --> 00:21:03,100 And so sometimes we don't want to take the knife out because no 325 00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:05,700 one will know how badly we retreated. 326 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,800 And that's never the testimony of God. 327 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,200 It's how he comes in after those things, because look, what they 328 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,500 did to the Lord Jesus. And yet he loved that father, 329 00:21:15,500 --> 00:21:18,000 forgive them for, they don't know what they do. 330 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:24,000 And so, If any of you that are listening know that you have a 331 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,400 knife in your back and you sense you're using it as your 332 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:33,100 identity, you need to get alone with the Lord and say I need to 333 00:21:33,100 --> 00:21:38,400 take this out, don't ask him to remove it, you have to take a 334 00:21:38,408 --> 00:21:42,000 hold of the handle and pull it out through his strength so he 335 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,400 can heal the wound. That's a real good point Bob 336 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:49,700 because we, we can kind of collect our wounds. 337 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,400 He's in a box and just just kind of. 338 00:21:53,500 --> 00:21:55,600 And then when you get together with other, guys, a, how are 339 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,000 you? How's your, it's kind of like 340 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,200 when you age and you're only talking about all your injuries, 341 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,200 how's your, how's your angina? And how is your arthritis, and 342 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,200 all the things that our bodies are falling apart. 343 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,300 And I think the longevity and Ministry to is like, you know, 344 00:22:12,300 --> 00:22:14,300 how is this issue? And I was at issue and how is 345 00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:18,300 this issue and but there's another Edition, you know, as in 346 00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:21,500 learning our identity and I think this will be the final 347 00:22:21,500 --> 00:22:25,200 sub, you know, subtopic that we do on as we're getting close to 348 00:22:25,700 --> 00:22:29,100 time here, but I think of another thing that that leading 349 00:22:29,100 --> 00:22:34,200 with a limp, really helps us with because the ministry and 350 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,200 serving and even places of leadership and oversight have a 351 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:45,200 tendency to be co-opted and taken over by these desires for 352 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:52,900 a position, or a title, or some sort of Power Authority, a 353 00:22:52,900 --> 00:22:57,500 privilege, and even a sense of entitlement, and I have found 354 00:22:57,500 --> 00:23:00,500 over the years that the limping in my life. 355 00:23:00,500 --> 00:23:04,700 And I think, even when I stepped into the ministry here, back in 356 00:23:04,700 --> 00:23:09,600 1999, I there I am going back in 1999, Bob when I stepped into 357 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:14,600 ministry here in Colorado. I was, I was stepping into a 358 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:19,700 challenging situation with a taking over for another pass. 359 00:23:19,900 --> 00:23:23,500 That it had a bible study on this side of town and and I had 360 00:23:23,500 --> 00:23:26,600 a lot of issues to take care of in the wounds of this church 361 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,900 started in the very first few months of my oversight, that was 362 00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:33,300 entrusted to me. And and, and they've collected 363 00:23:33,300 --> 00:23:36,700 over the years that they have the box would have. 364 00:23:36,700 --> 00:23:40,500 I'd have to have a storage unit. I think if we were looking to 365 00:23:40,500 --> 00:23:46,800 collect them but they because of those though, I would say that 366 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,700 Brokenness and contrite necess and humility. 367 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:54,900 A tea and a closeness to Christ. Has helped me deal with these 368 00:23:54,900 --> 00:24:00,600 Temptations of using positions wrongly or using a title wrong, 369 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:05,300 or using the power vested in me. That leading with the limp house 370 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:12,100 helps me to to see that character and attitude are 371 00:24:12,100 --> 00:24:15,300 forged in my life through these things. 372 00:24:15,300 --> 00:24:19,700 And yes, I'm I'm not there yet, but Paul would even say that. 373 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,500 He came to a place in his life which is unbelievable to me, but 374 00:24:23,500 --> 00:24:26,100 he talked about boasting in his infirmities. 375 00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:32,100 Yeah, it reminds me of bad tools that you can buy on the internet 376 00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:36,600 that are super cheap but they haven't been forged and and how 377 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:41,000 they're forged is that steel that material has to be heated 378 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:47,300 up, red-hot and smashed. And that's and then it over and 379 00:24:47,300 --> 00:24:50,200 over and over again. And that's what bill It's up a 380 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,500 high quality tool is that it's gone through forging in an 381 00:24:54,508 --> 00:25:00,800 intense process especially those that are doing like torque and 382 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,800 you're relying upon that to have a certain pressure that has to 383 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:10,500 be put up on a bolt yet. You don't want crummy tool 384 00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:12,200 because it will break under the pressure. 385 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,700 As we look at how God is fashioning and molding us and 386 00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:19,100 forging us through these difficulties. 387 00:25:19,900 --> 00:25:22,800 Super important for you guys listening in as we wind down 388 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:27,000 today that you get your life and your identity and your worth 389 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,400 from Christ, and not from Ministry. 390 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,800 And these little episodes along the way. 391 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,200 I think of things that are surrounding us right now, not 392 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,400 me, personally, although I can add my own personal things, but 393 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,200 I think of prodigal kids, I think of financial challenges. 394 00:25:43,300 --> 00:25:48,700 I think of cultural pressures. I think for some denominational 395 00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:53,900 pressures, I Think of the reality of inflation hitting 396 00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:55,900 homes. And so that's bringing a lot of 397 00:25:55,900 --> 00:25:58,700 stress into the home. So, moms and dads are fighting, 398 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,700 kids are caught in the middle. I think of the social media 399 00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:06,100 issues that are upon us, I think of the culture, you know, the 400 00:26:06,500 --> 00:26:11,000 the the approach that we take here, it has to be from a place 401 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,500 of humility and Brokenness, it has to be from a place of 402 00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:19,000 knowing who we are in Christ, knowing the calling of God Upon 403 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,400 Our Lives. That we can move forward and I 404 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,400 guess the, the title here, I'm not even sure. 405 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,100 How many people stuck with us all the way to the end but if 406 00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:31,500 you're limping that's normal and we maybe could have led with 407 00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:33,600 that. But if you're limping right now 408 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,300 because you've been wounded serving God or wounded in life 409 00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:41,100 because of the sinfulness of man or your own sinfulness, that is 410 00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:46,200 normal and it actually can not can but it can if you allow it. 411 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,800 So it actually can work for your advantage if you allow it. 412 00:26:49,900 --> 00:26:53,900 Any final thoughts on that. Bob, I think it's part of not my 413 00:26:53,900 --> 00:27:02,900 will, but thine be done and it's been said that worship is that 414 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,000 the meaning of worship is to bow down or to kiss the feet and 415 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,300 really, it has to do with surrendering the will to the one 416 00:27:12,300 --> 00:27:16,400 that you're worshiping. And you have to let the Lord 417 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,300 paint his own picture with you because You are his workmanship, 418 00:27:21,300 --> 00:27:24,100 you're not your own workmanship, the so good. 419 00:27:24,100 --> 00:27:27,400 Bob, we've come to the end of this episode. 420 00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:32,200 I thank you guys for tuning in listening in Sharing. 421 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,300 We've seen an overwhelming response to this season. 422 00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:37,700 I think we're tapping in to something at least. 423 00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:40,200 This is what's happened mean really the podcast episodes are 424 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,100 just life. What we're going through here, 425 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,700 what we're facing and even the interesting content, the 426 00:27:45,708 --> 00:27:49,400 interesting part of where Bob serving up North, I'm serving 427 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,200 down here. South in the Denver metro area 428 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,300 and so he's got a different context of what he's been 429 00:27:54,300 --> 00:27:56,200 working through. I've got a context. 430 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,900 What I've been working through and leading with a limp is 431 00:27:58,900 --> 00:28:02,300 normal. It is part of the process and 432 00:28:02,300 --> 00:28:05,900 you can even see that. It's God is using it to draw. 433 00:28:05,900 --> 00:28:09,000 You near to him. We are at the end of today's 434 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,900 episode, this is the lead to serve podcast, please leave a 435 00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:16,500 review positive review, post it on your social media and helps 436 00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:20,500 all the algorithms work out. So this pops up When people are 437 00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:24,300 looking for leadership or servant type podcasts, you can 438 00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:27,500 contact me. 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