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Here's Ed Taylor with today's 
episode of lead to serve a 

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leadership podcast. 
Hey welcome again to another 

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episode of the lead to serve 
podcast or so encouraged by all 

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the feedback you guys have been 
sharing. 

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You've been texting the text 
number 7, 2016, 08 00, 12 and we

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love to hear from you. 
Be a text, you can email Ed Ed 

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Ed, Taylor dot-org. 
You've been calling in and 

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leaving messages. 
Thank you, guys, we're also 

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taking your topics. 
Today's topic is something that 

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Someone asked for and we'll get 
to in a moment. 

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But the lead to serve podcast is
time that we sit down together 

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and we talked about Ministry and
the view that I have in my mind 

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is that you're sitting across 
the table with me. 

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We're talking Ministry. 
We're talking about things just 

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really not scripted, as much as 
what comes to mind. 

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What are best practices and for 
this season, we specifically 

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included Pastor Bob, Clay Camp. 
So I want to welcome Bob to the 

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program again, welcome Bob. 
Yes, it's great to be with you. 

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He remind us again. 
How many years you have been in?

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What would be considered 
full-time Ministry? 

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Well probably just a little bit 
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1969. 
We got involved with the youth 

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ministry that came out of 
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in those Christian houses, that 
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country, at the time, and the 
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teaching at the foundational. 
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ministry for four and a half 
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And so that for the most part 
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pastoring in 1981, but involved 
in Ministry since the early 70s.

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Let's say, so we're talking 
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69 so you wouldn't you when you 
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was saved. 
Even though I Have like official

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pastoral responsibilities. 
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guess full-time is not that 
everything is full time ministry

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that probably could be a topic 
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But so you're looking at 50 
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What would you say to someone? 
It would be probably 50. 

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It's 53 years. 
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Yes. 
A wealth of information I 

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bought. 
I've enjoyed this season. 

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I've enjoyed serving with you 
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And this, this If new podcast 
with you being on it has been 

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really good this dialogue 
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And by the way, besides all the 
feedback that we've been getting

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Bob, the one of the one of the 
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people are really liking the 
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The way it's changed into a 
discussion bouncing ideas off of

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two people. 
So, thanks for joining me. 

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I know it takes a lot of effort 
llege. 

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Well, our topic today building, 
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building. 
It might sound, like, there's no

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Rhyme or Reason. 
There's definitely a Rhyme or 

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Reason we're trying to build on 
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On the topics last week, we 
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I'd say, the last episode and 
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submission and how hard people 
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submission. 
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one reason is just the abuse 
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placed within the body of 
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Not talking, regular mistakes. 
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that you've made your sure fair 
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Mistakes and I know. 
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And I you know what, I would say
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my 30 years of ministry. 
I would say I made my first 

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share of mistakes and the 
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in particular, are ones that 
hurt people. 

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We're yeah, we made a bad 
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I'm not minimizing it like we've
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But I think any time You get 
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to be friction, there's going to
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about that last week. 
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the feedback you guys gave, 
thank you for that today, we 

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want to shift gears a little bit
and the topic is fulfilling 

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God's call upon your life. 
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that we could take with this 
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with you. 
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what? 
It is God's call upon your life.

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What is that? 
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And I don't mean you personally,
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like, what does that mean? 
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start with the general 
parameters and that's obedience 

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to the words of the Lord Jesus 
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Paul where you make a decision 
to order your life, according to

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the world view of scripture 
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lived that out in your everyday,
live it out in your family, you 

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live it out in your marriage. 
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workplace and and, And then as 
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certain desires that come up as 
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people where for myself it was 
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and communicate it simply and 
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real life rather than just have 
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But what does this look like in 
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There are different avenues that
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picture and then refine it in 
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it's evangelism or whether it's 
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the gift of administration, 
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I like how you tie it in with 
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is going to be directly related 
to how he made you the gift, the

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spiritual giftings that you have
The natural abilities that have 

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been developed in your life. 
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was reminded of the, as you were
talking, I was reminded of this 

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scripture. 
Paul, the Apostle is writing to 

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the church in Philippi. 
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emphasize the the other parts of
this paragraph so much that we 

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may miss the little phrase here 
in Philippians 3:14 because he's

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talking about having perfect 
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I'm not already perfected, but I
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Why God lay hold of me. 
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apprehended. 
But one thing I do, I forget the

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things behind reaching for I 
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thing, reaching forward to those
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And then he says, verse 14, I 
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prize of the upward call of God 
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And there is upward call of God 
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had to If we had to explain it 
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these voices, all these 
thoughts, all these emotions and

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you hear God, his call upon your
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ultimate purpose for Why God has
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And to me it's necessary that 
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kind of clarity to this. 
I think of the calling of being 

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a mom I The calling of being a 
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I think of the calling of being 
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use Christian language, it could
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interpreted like, well then the 
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Ministry, but the call of God is
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Ministry. 
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What? 
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walk through. 
How first of all, how did you 

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know, how did you come to know? 
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was too, not just one thing, but
several things there were those 

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that would come to me and say, 
it seems that you've got this 

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gifting and every time you use 
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And the second thing is there is
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heart to be used in a particular
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And then also, Circumstances can
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opportunities that just seem to 
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opportunities and that gifting 
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I know I've been placed in 
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like an evangelist which is 
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mine, but yet in the 
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that particular gifting for that
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And then You know, it's just 
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worked as a times, you try it. 
And it's like Gust, he just 

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doesn't come come out, but 
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long-standing desire, the 
affirmation of others that are 

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watching your life and 
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And then you see the fruit in 
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using that get I think that when
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this in new believer or just 
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like, you know, on our podcast 
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that we can over spiritualize 
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don't, we don't acknowledge 
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God, he uses very natural means 
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and yes, the reality of where we
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we have to ask You know, number 
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your life? 
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want to, you're going to want to
be used in a way where what God 

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is doing, very naturally, like 
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numbers or you can fix cars or 
fix things or your, you can read

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your studious. 
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then there's the supernatural 
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bestow upon a man. 
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which is another passage of 
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When I was thinking of this 
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where Paul would tell him to 
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Give yourself entirely to them. 
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evident to all, take heed to 
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continuing them, for doing this,
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those who hear you and that was 
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in the verse prior where he 
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that was in you, which was given
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hands on the eldership. 
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have the supernatural gifting 
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Like you had added the 
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and say, I see this in you, I 
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you're looking for, what is God 
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What is God? 
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And I think of, I think of, in 
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eager, I'm an all-in, kind of 
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probably be very impetuous back 
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But, but as a new believer, I 
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whatever he teaches. 
I want to obey it and I end up 

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taking some classes and serving 
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The children's ministry and I 
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children's ministry because I 
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That was yeah that there was a 
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As I had a baby at home and they
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nursery. 
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church. 
I got a crying baby at home and 

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I didn't want to serve the kids 
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to, I wanted to serve a large 
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I was in a very large Church. 
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to use my life, I want to serve 
a large group of adults and what

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God did through the children's 
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element of discovering your 
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Is he had to deal with a lot of 
pride in my life of who are you 

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serving exactly at, are you 
serving me? 

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God would say, are you serving 
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And I have to say that some of 
the most fruitful Ministry, 

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besides pastoring, this church 
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Ministry in my life was serving 
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Kids. 
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love and care and ministering to
kids who don't care if you know 

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the Greek or the Hebrew, they 
don't they're not impressed if 

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you drop a new theological term 
on them, but they really are 

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impressed when you care about 
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them and their parents and their
grandparents and clean up their 

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messes. 
And all of the things that both 

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physically and spiritually, I 
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note, just like, in everyday 
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You the couple that is has taken
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recently and I've got these 
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minister to kids here? 
And as I was talking to them, in

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my office, we were having such a
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dreaming and what could God do. 
And then I looked at them and I 

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said, man, if I could do this, I
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I would, if I had the time, I 
would love to be in the position

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you guys are in right now, 
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the pivot so much at least for 
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how exactly we're going to get 
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on how we minister to kids and 
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children's ministry. 
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shocked, as it just came out. 
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within me was like, man, I would
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commitment to the children's 
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dependence and leaning on the 
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going to be made, trying to 
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parents and the kids. 
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children's ministry that I think
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Today is just this, you need to 
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got put in your life and that 
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for future use? 
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was in high school before, I was
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come you don't say anything? 
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open this way. 
You doing a fine job but after I

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accepted the Lord, there was a 
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spoke to my heart and said, Bob 
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involved. 
You need to step up and I found 

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myself because of circumstances 
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selling shoes, in Springfield, 
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If it was like the Lord, you Use

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those things. 
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things and I sold insurance for 
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death. 
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to pull you out, God uses to 
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and I had no idea that be 
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Store teaching the Bible all the
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people, I've never met before 
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I'm just such a different person
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of those preparation times that 
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to develop what he wants for 
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another layer of fulfilling your
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And in that is faithfulness, 
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I think we have we have all most
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the years, looking ahead to 
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wanting it, maybe even coveting,
coveting, Ministry, coveting 

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position, coveting. 
Something else somebody is what 

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someone else has or what someone
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someone's Light real, nobody, 
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picture on Instagram or 
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showing a full room, nobody 
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people show up, or when there's 
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that hard meeting with 
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you and and left and slam the 
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nobody's posting. 
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I don't think we should, but my 
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and somebody says, Ed, do they 
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break the window? 
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Yes, that happens. 
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hard and people get really mad 
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different, another topic for 
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you go, oh, look at me, or look 
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miss the fact. 
Don't know know what you have is

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from the Lord and those. 
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even we're finishing up Easter 
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A few weeks ago when we're 
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It's pretty close to Easter but 
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be a couple weeks from Easter. 
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the Easter is like, so what we 
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a pastor's dream because you're 
adding Services. 

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The place is packed. 
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life and that can get to a 
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The number one, those that study
these things. 

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The number one weekend, our 
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And then the the least attended 
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after. 
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And I believe that's because the
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dose of reality and it's not 
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someone else is doing. 
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and you know, it's required in a
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Corinthians to be found faithful
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to us right now you just have to
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don't like what you're doing. 
You don't like the guy you're 

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working for. 
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You live in you don't like you 
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things that are frustrating. 
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from now. 
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you're going to look back and 
you go, oh, oh, I learned this 

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in that season and I learned 
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like, what why did I make such a
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But why did I waste my time or? 
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I was just in a one simple 
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calling. 
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I was greeting this week. 
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police dispatcher for the Aurora
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just talking about life and how 
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how stressful it is very 
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I dispatch I was a dispatcher 
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encouraged her. 
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but you know what God has you 
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You have no idea what he's 
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preparing you for what's up 
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learned of all the things that I
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to mind is how how every day I 
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I don't know, 50, 100, I don't 
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150 calls a day and I would have
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that get the information I 
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Calm the person down, get them 
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receive any instructions that I 
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help them, you know, all in the 
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two. 
I mean quick. 

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didn't like that job at all. 
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needed to be somewhere else. 
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why I want you to add and and 
used, you learn what you got to 

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learn here and then I'll show 
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all that for, and I think that's
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That's really important. 
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No II. 
Just I see that and I mean, who 

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could put that together. 
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purpose because he doesn't, he 
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the Training, its boot camp and 
what there's so many things we 

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go through that. 
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understand why am I in this 
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negative or we want the Comfort.
We want the convenience and it's

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not there and the Lord is just 
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his army were called Were 
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We have the armor of God for a 
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that training or it won't end up
well with, for us, I The, I like

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that basic training picture 
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Pastor Chuck taught us, you 
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through today is in preparation 
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That Never Ends. 
We don't arrive with our 

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document that says here we are. 
We graduated we graduated Bible 

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College, we graduated Seminary 
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me, can't come because we didn't
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So we don't even have that 
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It doesn't end when you walk the
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And receive your diploma life 
life is the school and God's 

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teaching us through. 
So with that in mind Bob just a 

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couple things as we wind down 
today just a real good 

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conversation about maybe maybe 
the conversation kind of Twisted

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a little bit on a on a good 
pivot to say, hey look today 

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God's doing something and it is 
fulfilling the call that he has 

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upon your life. 
Like where you are right now is 

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God's call upon your life and be
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Direction, but can you think of 
one or two things that would 

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help a person listening? 
You know, if they were in the 

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conversation with us, can you 
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would help them in the position 
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Whether they like it or not, 
maybe you give one where you 

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like it and you give another 
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be faithful. 
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fulfilling the call of God for 
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Well, I think that, if right now
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life, be an observer to take a 
look at what's going on the fact

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that you haven't really deserved
it, you haven't earned it, God's

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blessings on your life are never
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They are distributions of his 
grace and there's something to 

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learn in times of abounding and 
there's something to learn. 

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Learn in times of being a base, 
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And many times, when you're 
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don't have the reasons that you 
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And you don't understand. 
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which is like jumping off a 
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You don't, you don't have the 
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So you're just waiting for more 
information and we don't like 

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the weight. 
We want things done and wrapped 

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up. 
And if you're in that situation 

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right now where you don't like 
where you are, you've been 

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praying for God to move you, 
you've been, you'll be some of 

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you married have even asked God 
to take your wife because you 

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just can't handle it anymore. 
And I just want you to know that

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God is speaking to you. 
Saying, you're missing the point

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and He will give you the grace 
and the wisdom and the strength 

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to not, just endure, but to see 
the core issue going on, that's 

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causing all of this behavior and
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The bottom bog. 
I pause here for a second. 

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Like I sense maybe you can 
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there was a prophetic word that 
you just shared and I want to 

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clarify it and maybe you can 
clarify what God just put on 

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your heart to say. 
But you Utes, you spoke of 

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someone listening that says that
has this thought take my wife, 

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can you, elaborate is the Lord, 
Sharon is. 

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There something specific? 
The Lord is giving you? 

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What came to mind? 
As I was just talking off the 

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top of my head and my aunt was a
picture of a man who is secretly

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in this car. 
Just asking God to take his wife

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because he's so frustrated and 
he wants out well and he's at 

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the Become self. 
And the Lord is saying, listen, 

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you can do this in my strength 
but you're missing the real 

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issue, the real issue isn't the 
conflict, the issue is what's 

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going on deep inside of you and 
your wife in these are symptoms.

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It's not the core issue. 
And so, I just want to encourage

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you listening here. 
That ask the Lord to show you 

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behind. 
Behind the scenes behind the 

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curtain, what is the Rock and 
the shoe that's causing all the 

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angst? 
Well and I would say alongside 

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Bob if if you are listening 
right now, it could go husband 

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to wife, it could be wife to 
husband, but if that describes 

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you, especially as it relates to
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please ask for help, you know 
that God could enter like you 

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would invite Godlike, even 
listening to the podcast. 

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I think you're inviting. 
God into your life. 

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And now there's a prophetic word
like there's a Rhema word for 

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you that describes a real place 
of frustration. 

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A real place of, I like that 
word angst. 

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I think that after the pandemic 
angst has been tremendously 

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increased Among Us for a variety
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And I think that with that, 
we're going to come to the end 

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of the podcast today. 
So we're going to end on that 

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note. 
And that note is a very powerful

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one that there are crises that 
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include marriage crises and just
add it. 

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Just the Lord giving a word for 
someone listening or many people

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listening to this that, please 
ask for help because it doesn't 

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get better. 
If you continue down, like Bob 

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said, taking care of things in 
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So we're going to pause now. 
Bob, thanks again for being with

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us. 
Sure, absolutely. 

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his wife, Jeannie, is we serve 
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And this was, this was a 
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with Bob listening to him 
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