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Calvary Church presents lead to 
serve a leadership podcast with 

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Ed Taylor. 
Good afternoon everyone and 

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welcome to today's edition, I 
have with me, my assistant 

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Cassandra Austin and she and I 
worked very diligently together 

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and finished at the end of last 
year, after many years of time 

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investment and all sorts of up, 
And downs and left's and rights.

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We work together to finally get 
God's help for the troubled 

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heart. 
A book published right? 

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Do we make it before Christmas 
Cassandra? 

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Yep. 
It the actual birth date with 

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the Library of Congress. 
Congress is November 14th. 

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So we got it done on a very 
special day that happens to be 

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the birthday of my son, my 
oldest son and we put together 

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this book and we want to talk to
you about it. 

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So what we're going to do it's 
going to be a special Mission. 

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And so, what I'm going to do is,
I'm going to hand the show over 

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to Casandra and she's going to 
interview me both sections. 

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Begin this section of the show, 
first half and second half, so 

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Cassandra welcome to the program
and it's all yours. 

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Hey, it's great to be here. 
I am so excited and I just want 

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to say if you guys are listening
whether it's here in Colorado or

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you're on the East Coast. 
If this is your first time 

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welcome if your regular 
listener, welcome. 

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Today, we have my pastor, 
Pastor, Ed Taylor, pastor of 

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Calvary Church for 21 years, 
husband to Marie, father to 

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three children, a grandfather 
and author. 

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Pastor Ed has pamphlets that are
designed to encourage families 

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and marriage. 
You also wrote a book called 

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Ordinary Servant that lays out 
what it looks like to serve 

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others. 
And to serve in your church 

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body, he most recently also had 
a mini book that we called you 

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will make it through. 
That one addressed the pandemic 

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and trials that we faced over 
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But today, today, we're here to 
talk about your newest book, Ed 

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God's help for the troubled 
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So I just want to thank you for 
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and I thought we could start 
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Can you tell us a bit about 
where the idea for the book came

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from? 
Well, nobody sets out to write a

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book on Grief and suffering. 
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think one of my passions is 
leadership development and 

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pouring in the guys, helping 
them grow ladies and men in the 

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church to grow in their 
leadership to grow in their 

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service. 
But it was almost eight years 

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ago. 
In May of 2013 that we got a 

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text message that our son had 
collapsed and he and we ended up

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meeting him at the hospital. 
He was in a coma from which he 

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never awoke. 
And so in May of 1013 Eddie died

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on that plunged our family into 
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Everybody handles grief 
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to grief differently. 
That's actually normal for me it

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and and Marie. 
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Josh and Katie grief hit really 
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Our home became really dark and 
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I didn't think I was coming 
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I didn't think pastoring was 
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I wasn't sure what was going to 
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I really didn't have any idea. 
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described it was like getting 
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You know how you lose your air 
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we live like that for a while. 
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enough strength to return. 
I came back to the pulpit that 

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was it was a hard. 
I didn't look at the date but it

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was probably at least a year 
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challenging years. 
Going through the word together.

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God was so gracious, I listened 
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their powerful and God used 
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Sometimes grief was evident 
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But eventually, I felt like the 
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our whole church from this cloud
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with me and I developed a series
of Bible studies that I think at

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the time you might be able to 
help me but I think we called it

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something. 
Troubled, what did we call the? 

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Do you remember what we call is 
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the troubled heart and it was a 
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were designed to to highlight 
people in the Bible that went 

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through great trials and great 
hardship and God got them 

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through because that's really 
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scriptures. 
God's faithfulness. 

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We put those studies together 
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afterwards. 
I never, I didn't put them 

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together intending to write a 
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I just put them together and God
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God released our church, like it
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It was a breakthrough series but
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it resonated with a lot of For 
and I know that I relate more to

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the written word. 
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study on MP3 or a transcript, I 
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I relate better to reading and 
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know, this would be a good book.
I float, the idea by you is that

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this would be a great book 
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encouragement and then we 
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all the different layers and all
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required, that require it to get
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And since we self-published it 
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grief and it came out of God, 
like, taking me out into a new 

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season because I think that's 
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It takes you from season to 
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And then finally, we didn't plan
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available during at the end or 
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But it became a very appropriate
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book on Grief. 
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did it start? 
It started with my own personal 

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grief, but it's actually not. 
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particular, that's true, that's 
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So then, who would you say needs
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Well, it's titled appropriately.
I think troubled hearts, whose 

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heart isn't troubled, whether 
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the scriptures were Martha's 
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And troubled about many things, 
she's not in a mode of grief or 

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she's just got a lot on her 
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She's distracted. 
She has, she has so much going 

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on that. 
There's There's not a focus on 

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what's before, she's in the 
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is going on in our heart and 
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She's missing him. 
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with a troubled Heart Like We 
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don't know if it was you or 
someone added the word Gods 

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because that's really it, like 
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the idea that whether your, you 
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now, you could be in job loss. 
You could be an isolation, you 

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could be Going through a divorce
you cannot prodigal kids like 

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the feedback all around, you 
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anyone that needs encouragement.
It's it's actually not even a 

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heavy book. 
Like it was Heavy in how it got 

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bird and how it came out of me. 
But it actually isn't a heavy 

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book. 
It's super encouraging. 

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It's like it's like the kind of 
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Super simple to like Ule, you 
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nuggets could I find that? 
I've never learned before and 

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you may end up reading through 
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And go, uh, you know, I've heard
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hear it differently. 
I'm in a different stage of my 

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life. 
I didn't know that about Hannah 

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story or all the different pages
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Anybody that just needs to be 
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from Deep grief, to the things 
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true. 
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really love about the book is 
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of pain in people's lives. 
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listening it's been told all the
bad things that are happening to

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them. 
In their lives are from the 

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devil or that mentally, you just
have to have enough Faith to get

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through what you have going on 
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up by reminding us that God is 
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So what does that mean for the 
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just heavy? 
Hearted from all that they've 

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been going through, you know, I 
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from someone that was involved 
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described with the theology that
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Fault, God's punishing you. 
You don't have enough Faith, you

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don't give enough. 
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had a bunch of worse stuff than 
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And my response to them is my 
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it's get out of that type of 
teaching, get away from that 

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church, the reality of the pain 
and suffering that you and I go 

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through is because of sin, 
you're right, sometimes it's our

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own sin, we bring it upon 
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It's because of someone else's 
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It's because sin has so 
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idea that it's all because you 
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I mean, if you look at the the 
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throughout the scriptures, the 
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with faith, that God gave them 
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And I think of, I think of the 
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through the roof in front of 
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I mean, it was their fate that 
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presence of Jesus. 
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the book and Be reminded that 
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You know the work that God is 
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author and he's also the 
finisher so it's going to take 

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time yet, he's not. 
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And so until we meet him face to
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in and through our lives in and 
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I think. 
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us as Believers to remember is 
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that suffer, believer, suffer 
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only ones. 
Suffer except that we suffer 

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differently because we have 
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And that's an important. 
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at the the subtitle is a future.
Hope we have a future hope and 

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one verse that will be repeated 
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good. 
It's not always the best verse 

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to receive when you're in the 
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But it is good to read it 
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because the person wrote the 
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you're going through is Romans 
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things. 
Together for the good, not all 

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things are good. 
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not. 
All things are good but God is 

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working these things together 
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under his Providence. 
That's so true. 

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And as he's working those things
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the things that that I believe 
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in the book, is a Biblical 
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And so, what does that mean for 
for someone that's going through

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a season of just really heavy 
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Their life. 
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that first, but really 
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allow ourselves to have our 
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prescription by God's 
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Not the world, not the latest 
pop, psychology, not whatever is

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on dr. 
Phil or on Oprah or any of the 

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popular shows that are on today 
but what does the Bible have to 

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say? 
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Bible has to say is that 
everybody suffers suffers. 

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Ring is a normal part of life. 
That doesn't mean we have to 

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like it or it doesn't really 
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it's the facts. 
You're not a bad person because 

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you're suffering. 
And I think of the person right 

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now, when I think of this, I 
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Cassandra that is been suffering
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You know, this morning, we 
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we know that Steve has been 
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so has chisa as his wife and so 
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think under this, what's wrong 
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what did I do to deserve this? 
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suffering, acknowledges that we 
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And that ultimately, we're all 
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Every single one of us. 
We're going to die of our last 

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sickness of our last disease. 
The problem that we have is that

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we even it's a human condition 
but especially so, in a, in a 

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culture that is very prosperous,
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We just think, man, if I do 
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back. 
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everything through God's word 
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who was perfect 100. 
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love serve. 
Give care. 

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He Speak encouragement. 
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reward for his life was massive 
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so, I'm thinking on how We have 
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whatever suffering is going on 
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How does it look for the crisis?

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along with your kids. 
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the life of our listeners that 
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it? 
Well, that let let's be real for

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a second. 
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raising their hand. 
No II like them, they're good 

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for me. 
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Joseph when he was first thrown 
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own brother's that Joseph, just 
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Things are going to be great. 
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I know you don't like the pit 
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I know you're scared and it's 
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Joseph, you're going to go from 
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Be sold as a slave and then as a

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slave you're going to be 
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just it's okay, God's using it 
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normal person would go are Just 
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Don't explain my life to me. 
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Like, that's my problem. 
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pit could in, any way benefit my
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going through and and he, how 
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It's good. 
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misunderstand. 
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I think if I was in the pit I 
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you to give me some some sermon 
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Just throw me a rope and save me
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three, you probably change 
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live life, we live life linearly
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Old Testament where Joseph looks
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have wiped, he could have gotten
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all that, pain, and anger, and 
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none. 
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know what you meant for evil God
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good, but in the midst of it you
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actually feel it. 
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your feelings because your 
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they don't always tell you the 
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a very difficult thing in your 
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Could say this is the this is 
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out of this. 
Your it's never going to be 

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over. 
You'll never get out of this 

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pit. 
You'll He accused your whole 

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life, it'll be hard. 
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knows, no reason, there's no 
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be true. 
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reserve, the true stories in the
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you and me they lived at 
separated by years by they live 

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separated. 
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technology we have today, they 
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aren't separated from The Human 
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Truly when you think of Joseph 
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less know. 
Of God, then you and I have 

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today, right? 
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You didn't know Messiah. 
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And that example right there is 
like lens to one of my favorite 

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phrases that you have in the 
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throughout the book that this 
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faithfulness and how like he 
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lives and know what's going on. 
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surprise. 
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So if you guys are just joining 
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Ed Taylor on a special edition 
of Calvary live about his new 

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book, God's help for the 
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So one of the other statements 
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unpack a little bit for our 
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trials and suffering, expose the
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time. 
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rather self-deceived life and I 
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necessarily like we mean to do 
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know, we just think when things 
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and then then we're exposed 
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life is there. 
Can't be anything hidden there. 

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Can't be anything when a deep 
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For example, let's make it 
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First before we get any 
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driving to church, you You and 
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Marina in the front seat, we're 
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we all have open containers of 
hot liquid in our hands with no 

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lids. 
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We're trying. 
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what each other has and and then
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So you get mine and Murray goes 
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them but we can't know our noses
are plugged. 

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We can't we don't know what's in
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corner, I hit a bump and that 
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our cup. 
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inside of it bumps in the road 
trials, along the way, they 

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disrupt us as those cups and 
what's inside of us comes out, 

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you know, because here's what 
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This is so common where many 
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bad behavior. 
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You know what, if it wasn't for 
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never act like this and I would 
have never done this and I would

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have never said this if it 
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believe the Bible teaches the 
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I believe the Bible teaches that
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what was in you all along and I 
used that dumb illustration all 

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the time. 
It's you've heard it plenty of 

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times here in teaching that I'm 
in the garage I'm building 

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something which is a lame 
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would never be me, but I'm in 
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strike my thumb and I start 
cussing like you wouldn't 

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believe Marie comes out and goes
Ed. 

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What is your problem? 
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And I go what, you know, honey, 
I normally don't talk like this 

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but you know, it's the hammer. 
When I hit my thumb, if I 

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wouldn't hit my thumb, I would 
have never cost, but that's not 

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what the Bible says. 
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abundance of the heart, the 
mouth speaks, what Jesus uses 

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this very similar, illustration 
of this sense of storms 

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revealing, when he tells us 
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their house, one on this rock 
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sure I think of it. 
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There's so much building going 
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around the church here that 
they're all very homogenous type

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homes. 
They all look the same same 

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siding, same structure. 
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expansive soil where one house 
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doesn't similar. 
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built the church, one of the 
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of all this expansive soil on An
end of the because if it took 

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out a corner of the building, it
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when the the same exact storm 
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One house, stood one house fell 
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hit with the storm. 
That was revealed their 

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foundation. 
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back at the Genesis of the book 
Cassandra when when we got the 

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call and went Who the whole time
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such that I think I was doing 
well I think God was marriage is

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great families. 
Great just had a grandson Eddie 

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had just gotten married a year 
before and it was really, really

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good and then it wasn't a small 
trial. 

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It was humongous, it was huge 
and it did reveal cracks in my 

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in my life. 
It revealed areas of my life 

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that needed God's attention. 
It revealed areas of Ed, you 

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know, you're still on The 
Potter's Wheel, you're still the

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clay and God was fat and things 
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Things were revealed in our 
hearts, things were revealed 

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that through the pain and 
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That that had Maria and I, and 
our kids, not humble ourselves 

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before God and turn to him, it 
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And so I look back and I say 
there were some cracks and there

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were some things God revealed, 
but I look back and go. 

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Wow! 
We really have been because 

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sometimes you don't really know 
but we're like, you know, we 

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really have been building our 
house on the rock. 

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Like, this is real, this is 
real. 

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I would have I would never 
suggest nor would I want anyone 

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to face the trial of a loss of a
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and on and on that list goes, 
but that's providentially. 

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What God allowed into my life? 
And I'm grateful. 

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Our house was not built on this,
and we're still standing, were 

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stronger now than we were. 
And, and there, The testimony of

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my son Eddie has been used 
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times to encourage strengthen 
and help and it's not going to 

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stop. 
It's not going to stop. 

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Obviously, if I could undo 
everything, I do undo it, but 

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that's not, that's not God's 
heart for us. 

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He doesn't we don't undo things.
We Embrace things, and we endure

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things, but we can't undo them. 
And it's been such an example, 

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too many. 
How you guys your family, the 

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humility that You guys have just
placed yourselves as servants 

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through this and really just 
shared and invited us all into 

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your lives. 
So I just in grateful to how the

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Lord brought you through to the 
the, it's important as you're 

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listening because you might just
be tuning in and we're going to 

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come up on a break here, pretty 
soon. 

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So it may it may be important 
for you to realize it's not 

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perfect. 
So when you, when you observe a 

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family You Know, You observe the
results but I have to say that, 

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I didn't think we'd make it, I 
was really afraid. 

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I was really afraid for our 
marriage. 

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One of the things I read because
it was dark, it was very 

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difficult. 
I mean, I don't, I don't know 

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how to describe it. 
I had experienced a loss of my 

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mom and dad prior to our my dad 
prior to that. 

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And man, I don't I think it was 
Greg Laurie talking about 

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joining a club nobody ever wants
to join. 

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I mean, it was Eddie was a very,
very special man in our lives, 

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you know, born to us as teenage 
parents. 

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I and you know, we weren't 
predicted to make it. 

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We get married still not 
predicted to make it. 

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We get born again, still not 
predicted to make it. 

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And that poor little guy had to 
lift through all of that, all of

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those tosses and turns. 
And but we make it, I caught. 

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So faithful. 
We have Born Again. 

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God Saves our marriage. 
Eddie now grows up in a Godly. 

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Home. 
He has a brother as a sister and

450
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then you fast forward through 
all the trials, all the 

451
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difficulties of church, life and
pastoring and all that. 

452
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And then man, it was like a like
a hitting a brick wall and I was

453
00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:21,700
super, super, you know, scared 
about our marriage. 

454
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They say that marriage. 
Is that lose a child? 

455
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I forget the percentages but 
they don't make it. 

456
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,800
I'm like, oh man. 
That's I'm not one of those guys

457
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,200
who starts assessing everything.
It was oh man, we need don't 

458
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make it, don't make it and and 
so as as we we learned and we 

459
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had to learn this as we learn to
surrender as we learned even 

460
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:49,300
through mistakes that we made to
repent and humble ourselves. 

461
00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:54,100
It it's the you don't want to 
run from God. 

462
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You want to run to God or at 
least I was thinking, one of the

463
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:03,700
verses that popped into mind is 
in Psalm 46:10 be still know 

464
00:26:03,700 --> 00:26:07,300
that I am God I will be exalted 
among the Actions, I'll be 

465
00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:10,800
exalted in there. 
Sometimes, the best decision is 

466
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,600
just to stay still. 
So let me just say guys, if 

467
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you're tuned in, we're in studio
with Cassandra, Austin. 

468
00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:21,200
She's my assistant here at 
Calvary and she, and I worked 

469
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,900
together on putting a book 
finishing, a book publishing and

470
00:26:24,900 --> 00:26:28,200
there's a lot of people on the 
team but Cassandra carried, most

471
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of the heavy work. 
The book is called, God's help 

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00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:33,900
for the troubled heart. 
And whether you're listening to 

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this live or you listening to a 
podcast, or Later broadcast on 

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00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:40,300
other stations. 
We just want to invite you into 

475
00:26:40,300 --> 00:26:43,700
the conversation. 
We want to remind you that this 

476
00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:46,200
book is available. 
It's called God's help for the 

477
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,600
troubled, heart, the feedback 
on. 

478
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,200
It's been amazing. 
It's a book that is designed to 

479
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,300
keep you encouraged so Cassandra
and I are just having a 

480
00:26:53,308 --> 00:26:58,500
conversation together and we're 
talking about the ingredients or

481
00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:02,000
talking about different. 
Different aspects and different 

482
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,500
chapters. 
But if you're hurting right now 

483
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,300
and you're struggling and you're
looking for a piece of help, 

484
00:27:08,300 --> 00:27:12,000
this book would be very helpful.
You can get it on our website at

485
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,900
Calvary Co dot Store, Calvary Co
dot store. 

486
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,700
I think all of it. 
Every part of it, from the 

487
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cover, to the dedication page, 
to the back, to the color to the

488
00:27:25,500 --> 00:27:28,500
artwork. 
It just man, it came out so 

489
00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:32,400
good, that's detail. 
Above and beyond what we could 

490
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,600
think or ask your tune in to 
Calvary live and this is the 

491
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,400
show where we take your calls in
your questions. 

492
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,000
We talk about things that are 
relevant to your life. 

493
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,500
And today, it's a special 
edition because we have my 

494
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:49,700
assistant, Cassandra Austin in 
studio today and she's talking 

495
00:27:49,700 --> 00:27:53,900
to me about a book that we just 
published here called God's help

496
00:27:53,900 --> 00:27:57,700
for the troubled heart. 
We just spent the first half of 

497
00:27:57,700 --> 00:28:01,500
the program talking about where 
it came I'm from why we wrote it

498
00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:05,500
some of the earlier chapters. 
It's if you're just tuning in, I

499
00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:08,600
think it's important for you to 
stick around because it doesn't 

500
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,800
matter. 
Whether you're grieving, whether

501
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:17,200
you're fearful anxious, whether 
you're full of yourself or pain 

502
00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:20,100
or hardship. 
We really mean, you know, the 

503
00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:24,300
whole essence of this book is to
get your eyes off your situation

504
00:28:24,700 --> 00:28:27,200
and get it back, get your eyes 
back on the Lord. 

505
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,100
Who's ready to minister to your 
Art, that's troubled. 

506
00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:33,500
And it could be troubled in a 
deep way through grief. 

507
00:28:33,700 --> 00:28:36,300
It could be troubled in a, not 
so deep way. 

508
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:41,600
Like fear or anxiety whatever. 
It might be God's ready to help 

509
00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:45,400
and we put this book together. 
It's a labor of love really are 

510
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,400
Cassandra. 
Really carried a lot of the 

511
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:53,000
heavy work on this as we work 
together with some other people 

512
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,500
on the team. 
And and really I think it's it's

513
00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:57,900
a we booked it. 
So you know what we like to say 

514
00:28:57,900 --> 00:28:59,900
around here is we is the 
language. 

515
00:29:00,100 --> 00:29:02,700
Of ministry. 
Not I and nobody ever does 

516
00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:06,100
anything alone ever? 
Never never, it's always a team.

517
00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:08,500
It's always a group. 
So, I'm going to hand as we did 

518
00:29:08,500 --> 00:29:10,500
in the first half of the 
program. 

519
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:13,500
I'm going to hand the show right
over to our new host today. 

520
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:17,600
Cassandra Austin, welcome again,
Cassandra hey and thank you. 

521
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,100
Pastor had for letting me be 
here with you and I appreciate 

522
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:22,700
the opportunity to chat 
together. 

523
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,800
It was such a labor of love for 
this book but what a privilege 

524
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,200
man. 
And one of the things that I was

525
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,200
reflecting on during their break
right now is just thinking 

526
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,500
through because because I asked 
you at the top of the hour, so 

527
00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:42,600
who needs to read this book? 
And in thinking about it, like I

528
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,500
needed this book and I didn't 
realize how much I needed this 

529
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:53,500
book, A lot of these stories and
testimonies came from a time 

530
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,600
that you shared this from the 
pulpit and we put it into the 

531
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,300
book form. 
But as they developed along the 

532
00:29:59,300 --> 00:30:03,400
way, I When we turned it over 
and started to just really pull 

533
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:08,900
things together and I had no 
clue that incoming and putting 

534
00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:12,200
all the pieces together that God
had my own journey to go 

535
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,800
through. 
During this time, where I found 

536
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,300
out I had cancer. 
And, and I had spent many months

537
00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:22,500
working on it and I realize I 
can remember going to each 

538
00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:25,600
chapter and going. 
Yes, light like, this is so good

539
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,900
because it's ministering to me 
and I'm crying and and the Lords

540
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,600
Just doing a work in me, and 
then to actually getting the 

541
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:38,000
diagnosis and that was, my 
anchor was, was God's word in 

542
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,800
his faithfulness and I knew, 
because of the things that had 

543
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:47,100
been taught in the book that in 
him in, Jesus is how he would 

544
00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:50,500
get me through this. 
And so as I leaned in him, I 

545
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:53,700
allowed the book to just 
minister to my heart and just 

546
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:57,300
bring me through my own Journey,
my own trial, and that kind of 

547
00:30:57,308 --> 00:31:00,100
stuff is not easy. 
And you think of all of The 

548
00:31:00,108 --> 00:31:03,100
mental anguish that people go 
through when there's a different

549
00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:05,900
kind of diagnosis. 
And one of the things that I 

550
00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:10,700
found, that was really important
that you brought up is to not 

551
00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:15,800
make a big decision when you're 
in the middle of grief or 

552
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,200
suffering or a trial. 
It's a that's a huge 

553
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,900
encouragement. 
I think that we have a tendency 

554
00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:27,100
to want to control something. 
When everything around our life 

555
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:30,300
is out of control. 
And because of that, At when 

556
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:33,700
there's immediate decisions to 
be made, we can make like huge 

557
00:31:33,700 --> 00:31:36,400
life tithe. 
It's time to move because we 

558
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,000
think we equate moving with this
will take the pain away. 

559
00:31:40,300 --> 00:31:44,200
Now moving may or may not take 
the pain away, I don't know. 

560
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,800
But until there's a clear 
indication that God is leading 

561
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,400
you to move. 
I would encourage you don't move

562
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,800
or I'm going to quit my job. 
I'm just going to quit. 

563
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,500
I can't handle it. 
I can't take it. 

564
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,300
Well, there are probably other 
Alternatives. 

565
00:31:57,300 --> 00:31:59,100
What? 
Take some days off, talk to your

566
00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:02,800
boss. 
Don't quit so quickly because 

567
00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:06,500
there may be other ways you can 
handle this, is it. 

568
00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:10,900
Usually, if you make a big 
decision when you're in crisis, 

569
00:32:11,300 --> 00:32:14,300
you'll regret it. 
Because almost, always, it's an 

570
00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:19,100
emotional decision, not a 
spiritual decision, or it's an 

571
00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:26,000
emotional response. 
Rather than a time of Abiding in

572
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,900
Christ knowing no, this is 
exactly because you don't hear 

573
00:32:28,900 --> 00:32:34,400
clearly, like, you think back to
even the your mind and your 

574
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,200
emotions handling all the 
cancer, what could be, what if 

575
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,800
what about, and then you finally
get the diagnosis? 

576
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,400
And then you're like, oh no and 
need to take it proposed you 

577
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,100
into another area of. 
I'm not sure in your mind. 

578
00:32:47,300 --> 00:32:51,600
All the capacity of your mind. 
I mean, most people are like 

579
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,000
this. 
I'm sure some of you may not be 

580
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,500
but like it goes. 
Jesus would have never told us 

581
00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:57,500
to worry, not to worry if we 
didn't worry. 

582
00:32:57,700 --> 00:33:00,300
The Bible would never tell us 
not to don't be anxious if we 

583
00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:02,500
weren't going to be anxious. 
Like the Psalms wouldn't be 

584
00:33:02,500 --> 00:33:03,900
there. 
If we weren't upset, if we 

585
00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:07,800
weren't in deep grief, if we 
didn't cry ourselves, a like The

586
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:12,000
Human Experience is real. 
And that's why in the beginning.

587
00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:14,400
And how we shared in the 
previous segment? 

588
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,300
That the idea that it's all your
fault. 

589
00:33:17,300 --> 00:33:19,600
You don't have enough, Faith? 
No, you're just a normal human 

590
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,400
being and Christians feel that 
way to its when you're born 

591
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,800
again. 
You don't lose your emotions. 

592
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:29,900
I remember hearing a pastor 
wants a, you know, men only have

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00:33:29,900 --> 00:33:33,600
one emotion, they law or they 
lost all their emotions when as 

594
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,600
you know, nobody loses their 
emotions. 

595
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,900
It's not true. 
We are emotional beings. 

596
00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:44,100
Some of us more than others and 
to not make a big decision is 

597
00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:47,200
wise even the Bible says, you 
know, in the count in the 

598
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,100
multitude of counselors there's 
peace. 

599
00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:52,900
So even not making a big 
decision but having some people 

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00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:57,300
around that can Help like if 
you're married, your spouse or 

601
00:33:57,300 --> 00:34:01,900
your pastor, or a good friend 
that can speak the truth into 

602
00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:05,200
your life and go, you know, I'm 
not saying whether that's a good

603
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,500
or bad decision. 
I'm just asking you to wait. 

604
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,800
Let's let's catch our breath, 
let's get to a place because you

605
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,900
lose. 
I was thinking when I think of 

606
00:34:14,908 --> 00:34:18,400
this question that you when 
you're, when you're hit with 

607
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,000
trials, you lose your 
equilibrium, you lose your 

608
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,400
balance, you become off balance.
And the last thing you want to 

609
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,900
do is is be in a you know the 
last thing you want to do is 

610
00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:31,000
walk down the middle of a 
highway. 

611
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,300
You're already there with that 
with losing your balance you 

612
00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:36,100
know, you're trying to save and 
you're going to walk that 

613
00:34:36,100 --> 00:34:39,000
straight line. 
But without your balance, most 

614
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,300
likely you're going to get hurt 
deeply. 

615
00:34:41,699 --> 00:34:44,800
It's going to be challenging. 
And, and that, that that's not 

616
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,600
just a discussion to. 
Because Andrew, I'm just 

617
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,400
thinking if you're in the midst 
of trial, right now, like, in 

618
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,400
the midst of a trial that is 
overwhelming your emotions. 

619
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,400
I'm just You write down the 
decisions on a piece of paper, 

620
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,300
put them in an envelope and seal
that until your until you have a

621
00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:04,700
little bit more equilibrium 
until the cloud passes. 

622
00:35:04,700 --> 00:35:06,400
It's like it's another 
illustration. 

623
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:11,400
I think of is fog or we've got 
some a snowstorm coming in while

624
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,900
we're recording this. 
It it may are at a different 

625
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:16,500
time but while we're recording 
this, their warning a big 

626
00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:21,300
blizzard coming into Colorado. 
Well, when it's snowing And it's

627
00:35:21,300 --> 00:35:23,600
thick. 
Or if you're in a place with fog

628
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,000
or Heavy Rain, the last thing 
you want to do in fog, heavy 

629
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,000
rain or snow is speed up. 
And let's go faster in our you 

630
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,800
know we're driving. 
Let's go faster. 

631
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,800
No it's slow down, don't put on 
there are certain things you do 

632
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,500
when you drive in the rain. 
And there's certain things you 

633
00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:43,400
do when you drive in the snow. 
As a matter of fact, right 

634
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,500
before the program today, our 
producer, Kevin. 

635
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:48,200
And I were saying the National 
Weather Service is saying just 

636
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,600
don't go out at all, don't don't
go out at all. 

637
00:35:50,700 --> 00:35:52,800
Don't drive at all. 
And at times. 

638
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,900
That's the right Council. 
Don't do anything at all. 

639
00:35:54,900 --> 00:35:59,000
Just wait be still be quiet, 
GetGo. 

640
00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:01,600
Just become a person. 
Instead of making a bunch of 

641
00:36:01,607 --> 00:36:04,600
decisions, just read the Bible. 
Talk to God. 

642
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,800
You just even if you're all 
alone, just seek God him first 

643
00:36:10,100 --> 00:36:14,800
and pause on any big decisions. 
I like that perspective of 

644
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:20,400
seeking that counsel or Just 
that wisdom from others to pour 

645
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,300
into your life, during that, 
that time. 

646
00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:25,700
And one of the things that, 
that, that makes me think of is 

647
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:30,800
how when were suffering, maybe 
you're not the person that 

648
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,300
suffering but maybe, you know, a
family member or a friend or a 

649
00:36:34,300 --> 00:36:37,000
co-worker, this just really 
going through it. 

650
00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:42,100
So God's put us in their lives 
to come alongside of them and 

651
00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:44,600
share the burdens that they 
have. 

652
00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:50,900
And in the book, you talk about,
What that looks like because you

653
00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:58,100
give the picture of Paul and 
he's carrying another's burdens 

654
00:36:58,100 --> 00:37:04,500
and loads and you equate it to a
backpack, well, carrying a 

655
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:07,300
backpack, we want what's 
essential in there. 

656
00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:10,600
We don't want things on our 
backs. 

657
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,000
That would be, you know, you're 
not looking to pack a backpack 

658
00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:18,900
with every single thing that 
that you, that you Have in life.

659
00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:21,500
But rather you look to have a 
backpack with just the 

660
00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:24,400
essentials is, it's going to be 
a heavy burden on your back. 

661
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,200
We don't normally walk around 
with a backpacks all the time. 

662
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,000
But, you know, there are times 
to when you think of that 

663
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,800
picture where, you know, imagine
carrying a backpack and you've 

664
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,900
got the essentials, but then you
have people putting rocks in 

665
00:37:35,900 --> 00:37:39,800
there and rock after Rock after 
Rock, and you're carrying a 

666
00:37:39,808 --> 00:37:43,800
weight and a load that you were 
never designed to carry your 

667
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,000
carrying a weight and a load 
that what Jesus said, come unto 

668
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,700
me all. 
You are weary and heavy laden 

669
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,700
and I will give you rest, you 
know, take my yoke upon you not.

670
00:37:54,700 --> 00:37:57,500
Not other people's yolks. 
And I think too, when you when 

671
00:37:57,500 --> 00:38:02,000
you think of the burden that you
can be a like we can I can I can

672
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,100
help you or I can hurt you in 
the midst of your, that's 

673
00:38:05,100 --> 00:38:07,500
something to really take to 
heart. 

674
00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:09,900
You may not be the one 
suffering, but you may be the 

675
00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:13,700
one that's to give help that, 
that's a very important role 

676
00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:16,900
that you play in someone's life 
that you can really, really help

677
00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:21,500
them by removing burdens from 
them by saying the right thing, 

678
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,000
one of the places especially 
when it comes to grief. 

679
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,400
If you're looking for help in 
this area, you can go to my 

680
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:32,500
website, Ed Taylor dot-org 
because after my son passed 

681
00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:35,700
away, I started writing more. 
And some of the things I would 

682
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:38,900
write would be like, hey there's
four things don't ever say to a 

683
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:43,300
grieving person. 
Not only because I had some 

684
00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:45,900
things said to me that weren't 
helpful to me, they're like 

685
00:38:45,900 --> 00:38:49,900
putting rocks in my backpack. 
But I also offer an alternative 

686
00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:53,600
so instead of saying this, say 
this, because it will really 

687
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,200
help. 
Like I'll give you a quick 

688
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,600
example. 
Anybody going through great 

689
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,900
crisis grief or not, don't ask 
them. 

690
00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:04,300
How are you doing? 
That's a very difficult question

691
00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:06,400
to ask or answer. 
What do you mean? 

692
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,000
How am I doing? 
What do you mean with my son 

693
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,600
died? 
I'm horrible. 

694
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,700
Why would you what do you think?
I could say it's been? 

695
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,400
Well, yeah. 
And in the thought is it's been 

696
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,600
eight years, you know? 
You well what do you mean like 

697
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,000
how How old am I? 
How am I doing? 

698
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,500
I'm doing horrible. 
You can always answer it that 

699
00:39:21,500 --> 00:39:24,200
way, you can answer that. 
You could probably ask me that 

700
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,400
in 20 years and if it's related 
to the death of my son. 

701
00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:28,700
I'm horrible. 
I hate it. 

702
00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:32,200
I wish it never happened and, 
and that could take so that 

703
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:33,800
that's, that's a hard question 
to answer. 

704
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,700
But, but if you ask the question
like this, how are you doing 

705
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:41,700
today? 
It Narrows the whole scope of. 

706
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,600
And I could say, if you asked me
today, Ed, how are you doing 

707
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:45,800
today? 
You know, I'm doing pretty well 

708
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,800
today. 
You didn't take me back. 

709
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,800
Eight years, you just asked me 
today on some days you could ask

710
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,100
me how, how am I doing it? 
And I'm going, I'm not doing too

711
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:58,000
good today but at least you're 
relieving the burden of me 

712
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,700
trying to figure out what 
exactly you want to know because

713
00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:03,900
I could always ask it I could 
always answer it. 

714
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,800
Well I'm horrible. 
It's like what do you think? 

715
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,100
It's but but then that's 
adversary already like and you 

716
00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:12,900
don't mean it to be but I'm in a
position of trying to have an or

717
00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:16,000
the person in crisis is in the 
position of trying to figure it 

718
00:40:16,008 --> 00:40:19,500
all out. 
That's why I think having a book

719
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:24,500
like this is helpful to give to 
a person when you don't know 

720
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:27,000
what to say. 
Or you don't know how to respond

721
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,300
to them. 
Like you're not, you're not when

722
00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:32,000
you put this book and if you use
that illustration like in a 

723
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,500
backpack, you're not adding a 
burden to them because it's not 

724
00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:37,700
a testimony. 
So the person doesn't have to 

725
00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:40,100
relive all my pain. 
That's not why I wrote it. 

726
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:46,100
I don't I only want people to 
see the Lord in this so it's not

727
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:49,800
like you really relieved Pain 
again it's like it's like a book

728
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:55,200
of Hope and even today in the 
timing of this I sent out a text

729
00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:00,200
of I got a I got some feedback 
from this book recently of of a 

730
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,000
sister in California who 
purchased a copy and this 

731
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,400
happens to be a sister that was 
in, this is amazing. 

732
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,000
You never know how God is going 
to use this. 

733
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,000
This sister was in our first 
home Bible study, when I taught 

734
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,600
back in Southern California, 
they were part of our home group

735
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,400
and so she sent me a Back in 
December and I and she said, I 

736
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,800
gave you a book for Christmas to
my boss and in this case she 

737
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,900
lost his daughter almost ten 
years ago. 

738
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:30,500
So, back in 2010. 
And, and since 2010, he's been 

739
00:41:30,500 --> 00:41:34,100
spiraling downward. 
He told me today, she wrote 

740
00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:36,400
that. 
He started your book and it's 

741
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,100
hitting him really hard. 
I'm praying, he turns back to 

742
00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:42,700
Jesus fast forward to yesterday.
I got an updated email March 

743
00:41:42,700 --> 00:41:44,400
2021. 
Hey, Ed. 

744
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,700
Just wanted to give you a little
update and tell you that my boss

745
00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:49,200
bought. 
More of your books. 

746
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,400
He wanted to give them to his 
family because it's been it's 

747
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,200
truly helped him to refocus. 
Keep praying for him. 

748
00:41:55,600 --> 00:42:00,100
And and so the what what's 
important for us to realize is 

749
00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:03,600
that we can be a help and we can
also be heard and I met both 

750
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,200
sides, I met I met people that 
hurt me on purpose. 

751
00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:10,000
I met people that hurt me and 
didn't mean to. 

752
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,900
I how I met people that helped 
me on purpose and I also met 

753
00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:15,400
people that helped me in the 
didn't mean to. 

754
00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:18,700
So you're going to face All of 
that in the and plus, you're 

755
00:42:18,700 --> 00:42:21,000
going to still have, you're 
still going to get sick. 

756
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,800
You're like, I physically can 
get headaches. 

757
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,700
Your, you're still going to run 
out of gas, you're still gonna 

758
00:42:26,700 --> 00:42:29,100
have to make your car payment. 
You're still going to have to 

759
00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:31,700
deal with the snow. 
You're still going to have to 

760
00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:36,000
deal with your kids and change 
diapers like life continues, 

761
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,100
around us. 
And if we're in the position to 

762
00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:45,600
help someone, let's do our best 
to do that and not be a burden 

763
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,800
to them. 
Even so let me just say this 

764
00:42:48,900 --> 00:42:51,300
because you can tie back another
truth from the book. 

765
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,900
You remember when Hannah was 
desperate she did what we would 

766
00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:59,100
tell her to do go to church, she
went to the temple, but go to 

767
00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:02,000
church, she went to the top, you
know, to the place of worship, 

768
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,500
go to the place of worship. 
That's where you'll find help. 

769
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,800
Well, when she was there in 
Desperate prayer, the priest 

770
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,300
accused her of being drunk, he 
was no help at all. 

771
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,300
He gay, he was not Abiding. 
And all he had. 

772
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,100
As a matter of fact, the 
Judgment of God was going. 

773
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,800
To come on his house not too 
long from there. 

774
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,400
Like it was not going to be 
good, not going to be good. 

775
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,600
But even though Hannah came to 
the house of God and didn't 

776
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,300
receive the kind of care that 
you would expect from a man of 

777
00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:34,000
God, God was still faithful. 
And that's the important truth 

778
00:43:34,300 --> 00:43:36,700
on every page man. 
Will fail. 

779
00:43:36,700 --> 00:43:39,500
You pastors will fail. 
You friends will fail you. 

780
00:43:39,508 --> 00:43:42,300
And of course, we don't want 
that, but that happens, but God 

781
00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:44,800
will never fail you. 
He will take care of you. 

782
00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:47,100
I mean, you Joseph, his own 
brother's turn. 

783
00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:50,800
No, Anna meets the priest that 
turns it doesn't help her. 

784
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,700
Accuses, her being drunk in her 
debt. 

785
00:43:52,700 --> 00:43:56,800
All she was doing was praying 
and, and how careful we need to 

786
00:43:56,808 --> 00:44:01,300
be to help people along the way.
Even if we don't know how to 

787
00:44:01,300 --> 00:44:03,800
help, just your presence 
sometimes just being there, 

788
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,400
being present and being 
available is enough for a 

789
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,100
person. 
You don't have to say anything. 

790
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:09,700
Like just coming and putting an 
arm. 

791
00:44:09,700 --> 00:44:12,500
And can I pray for you? 
Yeah, and just praying, or with 

792
00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:14,900
technology. 
You have text messages. 

793
00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:16,500
Hey, just pray for you today. 
Yeah. 

794
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,200
You can leave a voicemail. 
You, there's so many tools that 

795
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,400
we can use now that to not 
intrude in someone's life, but 

796
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:29,300
be available in someone's life. 
Well, I want to. 

797
00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:36,000
Give time to any of our 
listeners that maybe you're 

798
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:41,900
listening and you're in a trial 
or difficulty, and you just 

799
00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:45,100
would like to call and receive 
encouragement or a prayer. 

800
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:52,700
You can text Pastor Ed, or give 
us a call here at 3720, 3360, 

801
00:44:52,700 --> 00:44:57,500
897 that's our text line. 
You can also call us at 30 3690 

802
00:44:59,100 --> 00:45:04,000
3000, I'm looking at page 100 
here. 

803
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,000
The title is faithful in the 
waiting long periods of 

804
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,500
suffering or difficult to endure
especially when there's no end 

805
00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:14,400
in sight. 
I was thinking, I learned 

806
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:15,900
something. 
It's not like, I didn't know 

807
00:45:15,900 --> 00:45:20,400
this, but I learned it in 
practicality Cassandra that most

808
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,400
of the time we condition. 
I won't say we've been 

809
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,700
conditioned, but we condition 
ourselves to think. 

810
00:45:26,300 --> 00:45:28,300
Okay? 
When it comes to trials, I've 

811
00:45:28,300 --> 00:45:30,100
got, here's the beginning of a 
trial. 

812
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,300
I have a very short middle and a
quick ending, and trials, 

813
00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:36,800
especially early on. 
As a new believer, get resolved,

814
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,900
pretty quickly. 
We get somebody mad at us on the

815
00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:44,400
highway and then and then the 
rest of the day goes on or we 

816
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,100
get in trouble at work, but then
we move on. 

817
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,500
We have an argument with someone
then when resolve it but 

818
00:45:50,500 --> 00:45:54,900
eventually, and maybe you're in 
this place here, eventually 

819
00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:58,500
you're going to face a trial 
that has a beginning. 

820
00:45:59,300 --> 00:46:03,400
A very definite beginning, and a
long middle. 

821
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,500
With no end in sight. 
And although we do have an end 

822
00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:14,300
in sight when we wake up in the 
presence of Jesus, there there's

823
00:46:14,300 --> 00:46:19,100
no end in sight and I think in 
some respects the reality is is 

824
00:46:19,100 --> 00:46:21,300
that a lot of Trials, feel that 
way. 

825
00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:25,900
And in these times of waiting is
when depression doubt and 

826
00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:29,000
discouragement start to take 
root in your heart and even if 

827
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,800
you're even if you're in church 
regularly, I mean I think of 

828
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,900
what this last year has brought 
with covid isolating people 

829
00:46:37,700 --> 00:46:41,000
Putting them behind a face 
covering keeping them at home. 

830
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,900
Instilling, not rational fear 
because there is good fear, 

831
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:45,900
right? 
Concern. 

832
00:46:45,900 --> 00:46:48,500
If you're a high risk, in the 
beginning, we didn't know what 

833
00:46:48,500 --> 00:46:50,500
this was. 
Covid has taken lives. 

834
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:54,600
There is real fear, but we've 
seen fear ratchet up to 

835
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:59,900
irrational fear, even so much, 
so that there's not even a it's 

836
00:46:59,900 --> 00:47:03,900
stolen away. 
Even Believers ability to trust 

837
00:47:03,900 --> 00:47:07,900
God with their own life, they 
think staying home is a better 

838
00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:11,300
choice than being open to the 
Holy Spirit. 

839
00:47:11,300 --> 00:47:13,200
Let's just say the holy spirit 
says, leave your house. 

840
00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:16,000
Just say the holy spirit says, 
go shopping to say the holy 

841
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,600
spirit says, go meet your 
neighbor. 

842
00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:20,300
No, no, no covid-19. 
I'm not leaving the house. 

843
00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:25,100
There's and and not, not just 
episodes of that, but the, a 

844
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:29,900
real paralyzing fear and 
isolation and icily combined 

845
00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:32,200
with isolation. 
You think if you're in It's of a

846
00:47:32,207 --> 00:47:35,400
long trial already. 
This is where depression doubt 

847
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,400
and discouragement and like the 
nation of Israel. 

848
00:47:38,700 --> 00:47:42,500
Like, the Israelites we can 
wonder where is God in our 

849
00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:45,200
suffering. 
We wonder how much longer can we

850
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:50,600
endure and maybe like you, I 
wrote you have received well 

851
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,800
intention and yet painful and 
courage, courage meant like this

852
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,300
quote, don't worry. 
God won't give you more than you

853
00:47:56,300 --> 00:48:00,200
can handle and what a joke. 
That's not true. 

854
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,700
God gives you more than you can 
handle. 

855
00:48:01,700 --> 00:48:03,800
All. 
All the time that's life. 

856
00:48:04,100 --> 00:48:05,900
Like now it's a misapplied 
verse. 

857
00:48:05,900 --> 00:48:07,600
Of course. 
It's the verse that says no 

858
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,500
temptation has overtaken you 
except such as is common to man,

859
00:48:10,500 --> 00:48:12,800
with with every Temptations, God
made a way of Escape. 

860
00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:15,800
Like that's that's been somehow 
reinterpreted by God. 

861
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,700
I'll never give you more than 
you can handle, but life is more

862
00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:21,600
than we can handle. 
God, will allow things. 

863
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,700
Send us create things that are 
more than we can handle. 

864
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:31,200
But the reality is, is that If 
we place the, if we place the 

865
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,700
emphasis upon what we can 
handle, we will be discouraged 

866
00:48:34,700 --> 00:48:36,800
depressed. 
And just bummed out because we 

867
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,600
can't handle anything. 
But if we place our emphasis 

868
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,400
upon the God, who can handle 
everything, then we'll have our 

869
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,800
faith in the right place. 
And we'll be trusting, God, even

870
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,200
in the Long Middle. 
Because, you know, this trial 

871
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:54,600
with our son dying will not end 
until we see Jesus face-to-face.

872
00:48:54,900 --> 00:48:57,200
There's elements of it that 
could end sooner than that. 

873
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,100
And of course, we pray for that.
But Eddie's not coming back. 

874
00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:05,300
He can't come to me but I can go
to him. 

875
00:49:05,300 --> 00:49:08,400
David said of his own son and 
now I can say that a, my son. 

876
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,700
So it's a long middle. 
And the question is well what 

877
00:49:11,700 --> 00:49:15,800
will I do in the middle? 
And really the the same old 

878
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,100
thing that you do when you're 
not in a trial? 

879
00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:21,200
You do exactly what the early 
church did. 

880
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,700
They continued steadfastly in 
the apostles Doctrine and 

881
00:49:24,700 --> 00:49:28,100
fellowship and prayer and the 
breaking of bread whether you 

882
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:30,400
feel like are not Whether you 
like it or not, whether you're 

883
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:35,500
happy or not, I've been in this 
Sanctuary dozens of times here. 

884
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,500
During this time. 
We're at. 

885
00:49:37,508 --> 00:49:39,800
That is the last place I want to
be. 

886
00:49:40,300 --> 00:49:43,000
I don't want to be around 
people, I mean, imagine that mr.

887
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,900
Pastor, I don't want to be 
around people. 

888
00:49:44,900 --> 00:49:46,100
I don't want to hear these 
songs. 

889
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:47,500
I don't want to sing these 
songs. 

890
00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:51,400
I don't know that I've ever 
really thought that I didn't 

891
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,500
want to teach a Bible study, but
I'm sure I have had that thought

892
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but not to be around people, not
to want to answer questions, not

893
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,600
to want to Explain things not to
want to have to somehow defend 

894
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,500
myself of some like nah. 
I it'd just be better to be 

895
00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:12,400
alone but the Bible says that 
it's foolish to isolate 

896
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,900
ourselves and I'm not even 
talking covid-19, but covid has 

897
00:50:15,900 --> 00:50:20,200
played a role in that and trials
will do the same thing that 

898
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:26,400
covid did isolate you make you 
fearful irrational Lashley, 

899
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,800
that's a hard thing to say, 
that's probably a different 

900
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,900
Program because we're coming up 
on the end here. 

901
00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:33,700
But it's probably a whole 
different program altogether. 

902
00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:38,500
Where, when you're in the midst 
of Trials, you can be a deep 

903
00:50:38,500 --> 00:50:41,900
deep Center and that's not good,
like you don't. 

904
00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:44,800
You got to have somebody that 
can speak the truth to you and 

905
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,700
go, you know what? 
I know you're hurting right now.

906
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,900
I know it's hard, but that 
doesn't give you permission to 

907
00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:51,800
sin. 
This is you're just going to, 

908
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,200
you're going to. 
So if you sow to the flesh, even

909
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:59,200
in the midst of, I think of, I 
think of somebody Be in the 

910
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,000
midst of a painful divorce who 
just wants to stick it to their 

911
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:07,000
ex and they just want to they 
just want to yell scream 

912
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:10,800
whatever and you think. 
Will he hurt me so bad? 

913
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,500
So I'm going to hurt him. 
No, it's not going to get you 

914
00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:19,100
where you want to go. 
That's one of the pretty 

915
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:23,800
pictures in the book is just the
picture of the reminders that 

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00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:28,700
are constant, that in the middle
of that, in the middle of the 

917
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:32,900
heaviness in the suffering that 
we have deep Grace, from the 

918
00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:36,100
Lord, and his love. 
And, and that tapestry is kind 

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00:51:36,100 --> 00:51:39,300
of woven throughout. 
We've taken trips. 

920
00:51:39,300 --> 00:51:43,800
We've taken teams and groups to 
Israel and there's that time 

921
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,400
where, when we're Nazareth 
Village in the new, there's a 

922
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,000
huge wheel that that turns, and 
there's olives that they put in 

923
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:55,000
there to give us that sound of 
the olive press. 

924
00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:00,000
And there's nothing like that, 
that crushing, well, we're 

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00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,600
coming up on the end of today's 
program. 

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00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,800
We had a special guest host 
today, Cassandra Austin. 

927
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:10,000
She happens to be my assistant 
and we work together to put this

928
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,100
book in your hands and it's a 
labor of love. 

929
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:16,700
You think things like this, you 
know, are very easy, they're not

930
00:52:16,700 --> 00:52:18,900
there. 
He challenging the birth was, 

931
00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:23,100
the book was bird that a grief, 
but it's not a book about grief.

932
00:52:23,100 --> 00:52:24,900
Although, if you're in deep 
grief, they'll help you. 

933
00:52:25,500 --> 00:52:28,600
It's not a book about all of our
pain even though if you're in 

934
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,100
pain, it'll help you. 
It's a book about God through 

935
00:52:32,100 --> 00:52:35,800
the true stories. 
In the scriptures to help you 

936
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,000
get your eyes back on the Lord, 
to encourage him to encourage 

937
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:43,900
you with his encouragement, to 
comfort you to help you, to help

938
00:52:43,900 --> 00:52:46,700
your family and friends, and you
can get a copy. 

939
00:52:46,900 --> 00:52:49,100
Here at the church are book. 
Stores opened around Services. 

940
00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:54,000
Of course, you can get it on our
online bookstore Calvary, Co dot

941
00:52:54,500 --> 00:52:57,400
Store, Calvary, Co dot store. 
You can of course, get it, 

942
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,800
wherever books are sold. 
So, however, you choose to buy 

943
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,100
your books, you can get it there
as well, but Cassandra, I want 

944
00:53:04,100 --> 00:53:07,400
to thank you for all the work. 
I know you're already working on

945
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,500
our next project, we were just 
talking about that. 

946
00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:13,500
So we do want to put more of the
teachings and edit them into 

947
00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:17,900
writing, because just because we
know that everyone, Some people 

948
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:24,500
can relate to things in writing 
more than verbal, you've got 60 

949
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:26,000
seconds. 
Any final thoughts? 

950
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,700
Yeah, I want to thank you. 
I want to thank you for your 

951
00:53:29,700 --> 00:53:33,300
obedience and your faithfulness 
to follow through and, and put 

952
00:53:33,300 --> 00:53:39,300
this from the pulpit into a book
form, because I have the 

953
00:53:39,300 --> 00:53:42,400
privilege of reading, all of the
testimonies that come along the 

954
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,000
way. 
And I just, we have to give 

955
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,700
glory to the Lord because It's 
helping and it's making a 

956
00:53:48,707 --> 00:53:50,300
difference in the lives of 
people. 

957
00:53:50,700 --> 00:53:54,400
So get the book, read it and I 
just send us an e-mail. 

958
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,400
Let us know how God uses it to 
encourage your heart. 

959
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,800
Yeah, you can you can email 
Cassandra directly Cassandra at 

960
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:06,300
Calvary Co dot church. 
And and in the neat thing to 

961
00:54:06,300 --> 00:54:10,800
just as a side note, with the 
book, all the net proceeds of 

962
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,100
the book flow through the church
to our missionaries. 

963
00:54:14,500 --> 00:54:16,700
They get an extra check at the 
end of the year. 

964
00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:20,200
All the proceeds from our 
Resurrection, calf, coffeehouse 

965
00:54:20,500 --> 00:54:22,900
our bookstore. 
And this particular book has 

966
00:54:22,900 --> 00:54:26,500
been put into our bookstore. 
So the net proceeds that come 

967
00:54:26,500 --> 00:54:31,100
through the bookstore, go right 
out to support so it's a double 

968
00:54:31,100 --> 00:54:35,000
blessing and it's a double 
encouragement to know that. 

969
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:40,000
As you invest in helping someone
invest in yourself proceeds, go 

970
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,200
out to our missionaries of which
I just read today. 

971
00:54:42,500 --> 00:54:46,300
One of our missionaries just had
surgery to have a mass taken out

972
00:54:46,300 --> 00:54:47,200
of his head. 
Ed. 

973
00:54:47,300 --> 00:54:50,300
Oh wow. 
And so like, yes, we want to 

974
00:54:50,300 --> 00:54:54,100
encourage them and love on them.
I don't know why I had forgotten

975
00:54:54,100 --> 00:54:57,800
about that, but the, the, the 
title of the book is God's help 

976
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,500
for the troubled heart, many 
years in the making, I do want 

977
00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:03,800
to thank not only Cassandra, but
I want to thank you the 

978
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,100
listeners for praying for my 
family, for me. 

979
00:55:06,100 --> 00:55:09,000
And my wife or my kids are the 
trials, not over. 

980
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,800
So, keep praying for us, and 
thank you for your 

981
00:55:12,900 --> 00:55:16,300
encouragement, and your support,
after the death of our sun, but 

982
00:55:16,300 --> 00:55:18,400
just in general, Earl. 
You know the body of Christ is 

983
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,600
something special. 
We're a family like any family? 

984
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,700
We're not perfect. 
We got our ups and downs. 

985
00:55:23,700 --> 00:55:25,600
We got our aunts and uncles and 
cousins. 

986
00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:29,200
But God is faithful, thank you 
for joining us for this episode 

987
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,800
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Taylor, a leadership podcast 

988
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,800
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Colorado, if you have a 

989
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,600
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990
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,600
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991
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,700
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992
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,700
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993
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994
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,700
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00:55:54,700 --> 00:55:55,500
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