1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,560 Welcome to today's broadcast of Lead to Serve, a leadership 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:14,160 podcast with Ed Taylor. Welcome to another edition of 3 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,960 the Lead to Serve podcast. This is Pastor Ed Taylor from 4 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:22,960 Calvary Church in Aurora, Co In studio with me is Pastor Bob 5 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:24,240 Clay Camp. Welcome, Bob. 6 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:28,120 Yeah, it's a joy to be here. We are moving forward on our 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:33,080 topic today episode #6 about building a team and raising 8 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,520 people up. And you know as well as I do, 9 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:40,040 they lead to Serve podcast. This is season #7 and we have 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,760 the archives. I think going back to at least 11 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,360 season 3, maybe season 2 if you go back through. 12 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,720 Those are all still posted and available if you want to catch 13 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:51,480 up. I know some of you listen to 14 00:00:51,480 --> 00:00:56,080 this on the radio, some of you, most of you receive it through 15 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:02,320 some podcast tool like on Apple podcast or Spotify or somewhere. 16 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:07,440 So thank you for that. Leave a remark, a positive 17 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,120 remark and leave a review because that helps the 18 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,520 algorithm. I'll put post these on your 19 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,560 social media. And again, a shout out to some 20 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,160 of the groups that you lead to serve as a discipleship tool 21 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,320 within your group. We want to say hey to you. 22 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:25,040 We're thinking of you as we are talking. 23 00:01:25,320 --> 00:01:30,240 The idea of the podcast too, is just a discussion with two men. 24 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,760 Sometimes me by myself or with another guest. 25 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,920 But today with Bob, we're just having a talk about these 26 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,240 things, talking them out loud. So they maybe the answers aren't 27 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:45,680 so polished or they're not exact, but they are good to stir 28 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,160 up love and good works and thoughts and and there are some 29 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,240 real practical things we're going to share today. 30 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,480 And we have for the season. I'm really enjoying the season. 31 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,160 Very edifying, super encouraging. 32 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,080 So let's jump right in, Bob, This is Part 2 of our time. 33 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,600 Last time raising people up, we talked about a lot of the 34 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:13,040 foundational what and we we even answered the question why we 35 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,160 studied with Paul because with the phrase in the church usually 36 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,360 is Paul raising up a Timothy, but he had far more men than 37 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,880 Timothy. But Timothy seems to be the one 38 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,080 that he spent and gave more attention to at least that is 39 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,200 portrayed. So Paul raising up a Timothy we 40 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,600 learned in Acts 16. What was the phrase there again, 41 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,040 as you read in Acts 16. Do you still have it open? 42 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:41,560 He said in Acts 16 that he came. It was well. 43 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,880 Timothy was well spoken of by the brethren in two different 44 00:02:45,640 --> 00:02:48,360 churches. Paul wanted to have him go on 45 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,480 with him. And that was the phrase, I just 46 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,520 love that phrase when when Pastor Bob mentioned it, Paul, 47 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,240 it's verse 3 of Acts 16. Paul wanted to have him go on 48 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:04,640 with him and he took him. The that speaks to us of the 49 00:03:04,640 --> 00:03:10,120 significance of this is a relational method of ministry. 50 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,600 Ministry is only relational. It is not transactional. 51 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,440 Paul was not trying to fill a position. 52 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,720 He was not trying to do something for himself. 53 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,200 What he did is he saw something in Timothy and wanted to see 54 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,560 more and wanted to cultivate more. 55 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,280 And while a lot of this question does come up in raising up a 56 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,960 team and how do I do that, and I need it, that has to be 57 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:36,720 secondary to I need you to be all that God wants you to be. 58 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,760 And if it happens to be one of the roles that you we can serve 59 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,960 together, because I think we're together for a reason, then I 60 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,360 have a responsibility to put you in the right place at the right 61 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,440 time. Yeah, I can only think that 62 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,760 this, when Timothy started with Paul, he was just taking care of 63 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,440 some logistical things and helping out and like a a Deacon 64 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,320 in a way. I don't think there was this 65 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,080 grandiose plan in Paul's mind. And he got this vision of what 66 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:04,960 Timothy would do. I think it was like step by 67 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,560 step. I do I and, and along the way, 68 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,960 learning and growing and listening and getting to know 69 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,320 his background and his upbringing, his mom, his 70 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,079 grandmother, learned them by name, got a relationship with 71 00:04:17,079 --> 00:04:19,320 them. It's a beautiful thing to be in 72 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:23,480 the body of Christ. In our last episode, we remember 73 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,360 we, we learned from Pastor Skip Heitzig that we are divine 74 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,040 talent scouts. And what he means by that is 75 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:35,000 that we are responsible to see and and cultivate the giftings 76 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,720 that God has given to people in our in our church, in our life, 77 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:39,560 and help them be in the right place. 78 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,920 And if we used a sports analogy, that means if you're a pitcher, 79 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:45,720 then I need you to have you on the mound. 80 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:47,680 Yeah. I don't need to put you as a 81 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,000 catcher. I mean, I could, but that's not 82 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,320 where you belong. If you're a pitcher, you need to 83 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,280 pitch. And if you're a catcher, you 84 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:58,080 need to catch. And those to put a catcher on 85 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,920 the mound may or may not be the right place for him, but it 86 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,560 probably isn't. Pitchers be on them, belong on 87 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,280 the mound, catchers behind the plate. 88 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:10,440 It's the same in the church. Even if you know someone says I, 89 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:15,120 I have the gift of teaching and I want to teach well that you 90 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,720 can't give that away to someone that doesn't have the gift of 91 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,760 teaching. It needs to be tested. 92 00:05:20,280 --> 00:05:24,400 This is if I have Timothy along. This is where the practical side 93 00:05:24,840 --> 00:05:27,120 of raising up people will come into play. 94 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,440 And we'll just go through, I have a list of 10 or 11 things 95 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,960 that will be helpful. And then if we have time, we'll 96 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:38,640 even get to how to do it in the practical realm, just a real 97 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,320 basic way. But we want to give some things 98 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,880 that if indeed you are connecting with people. 99 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,480 What do I do next? Now, before that, I just want to 100 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,040 reflect. Last time we learned that there 101 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:55,080 are two primary ways that you see people come into your life. 102 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,400 You either you, they either come to you like in a church, through 103 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,040 an e-mail, through a request, through a bulletin announcement. 104 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,200 That's more reactive, like we're reacting and kind of waiting. 105 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,280 Or you go to them, which is the exciting part. 106 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,520 You're just meeting people all the time and learning about 107 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,560 them, listening to them. I just love learning about what 108 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,240 people do for a living. You mentioned in one of the 109 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,400 illustrations, Bob, about the manager at the grocery store. 110 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,520 That's what he was doing, but what he really wanted to do was 111 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,440 pastor of church and he's pastoring in Idaho now and 112 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,480 that's what God, but he was being developed and cultivated 113 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,800 that leadership at the grocery store. 114 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,720 But those are just a fascinating story just to learn what people 115 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,360 do for a living, how they're trained, what their desires are. 116 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,440 The going to people should be always done, whether you raise 117 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,280 them up in ministry or not. But the more people you go to, 118 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:50,840 the more people you get to partner with. 119 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,600 So what do you do once you meet a person? 120 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,680 What do I do? How do I do it? 121 00:06:55,680 --> 00:07:04,120 Well, after the time, I mean, really time and testing is what 122 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,200 develops relationship. So it's going to take some time. 123 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:11,480 Let's not think that I just met you, Bob, and I'm 5 minutes with 124 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,960 you and I now I know where you belong. 125 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,840 I don't know. It's going to take some time and 126 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,040 some observation. Actually, here one of the first 127 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,520 tests that we give to a person is that they wait six months. 128 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,680 And if they can't wait six months to do anything in this 129 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,680 church, then that they can't even pass the simplest of tests. 130 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,560 Make this your church home. Wait, be patient. 131 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,960 Is this really? Are you praying with people? 132 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,160 Do you like you? You can see a lot. 133 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,440 Yeah, and they have to also line up with your. 134 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:40,480 Vision. The testing. 135 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,120 Because even though they were used, you know, greatly at a 136 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,680 previous church, vision is different than what that other 137 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,680 church was. And just because they were used 138 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:55,080 in a in a great way over at the other church is not necessarily 139 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,040 a guarantee that it's going to gel. 140 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,040 I mean, maybe the chemistry is wrong. 141 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,720 Maybe it's just and and it takes time to find that out. 142 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,560 So during that time, what do we do? 143 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,960 So I'll give one and then you can, you can. 144 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,200 So here's one that I do. I do this a lot. 145 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:15,600 I give them a book to read and I say, read this book and then 146 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:19,280 when you finish it, we'll have a we'll sit down and we'll talk 147 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:24,040 and we'll, and I do this all the time is there's a particular 148 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,840 book that we use that we buy by the case here. 149 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,960 It's by Chuck Smith and it's super, super simple. 150 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,880 I give it to men and women. Now, while I don't personally 151 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,720 disciple women, I still use this as I deploy them within the 152 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,520 ministry here and I give them that book and I tell them, read 153 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,320 it right in. It's my gift to you. 154 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,000 Keep it highlighted. Read it, it's yours. 155 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:49,880 And then when you're done, come back to me and I, I, I'm, it's 156 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,680 anecdotal because I never paid attention, but I'm going to say 157 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:58,880 in the last couple years I have given fifty of those books away. 158 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,000 What? How many people do you think 159 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,840 have come back? I don't know. 160 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:07,800 You would think it would be a big number. 161 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,720 Oh, I would think it would be a big number. 162 00:09:11,560 --> 00:09:14,360 But in those relations, that's not the only tool I use, but it 163 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:19,160 is a tool I use, especially if someone I don't know, I would 164 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,840 say 3 or 4 if I can think of. I, I thought of one right now 165 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,840 that he did come back and I gave him additional homework and he 166 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,720 never came back. I haven't seen him. 167 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:31,320 And that doesn't mean he's not around. 168 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,360 I just he hasn't followed up. And so if he does follow up, I 169 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:36,880 will say, well, bro, where you been? 170 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,320 And that'll give me more information, more information 171 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:41,680 why? Why did it take you? 172 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:44,320 So like it's all for the point of helping them grow. 173 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:45,920 It's not to prove anything to me. 174 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,680 The the context of the book are phenomenal. 175 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,440 It's they're they're great principles. 176 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,880 And the secondary homework I gave him was pick three or four 177 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,160 of those things that you really want to grow in and let's and 178 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,440 read those again and let's really talk about them and start 179 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,240 this conversation in giving a book. 180 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,720 There's another thing that I do that tests and helps somebody 181 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,720 prepare them because because again, when you're, I don't know 182 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:17,920 what your capacity is, but in a church this size, I am, I am. 183 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:22,160 And so is the pastoral staff to some degree, unable to give 184 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:27,000 hours and hours and hours and hours of relational connection 185 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,280 with people because that's what the staff gets or that's what my 186 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,120 wife gets. Like you're, you're wanting to 187 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,240 plug them in not only to service, but into other 188 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,160 relationships. But so if, if there's somebody I 189 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,360 know a little bit more about, I will give them a book that I'm 190 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:44,200 currently reading or I'll tell them to go buy it, go buy this 191 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,920 book because I'm reading it or something that's super impacted 192 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,280 me spiritual leadership by Sanders or on being a servant of 193 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,160 God. We whatever your go to book is 194 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,080 that has formed you. Or if I'm reading something and 195 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,800 it's good, hey, buy this, I'm in the middle of it, catch up to me 196 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,000 and let's talk about it. And it's a tremendous test 197 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,440 because if they're reading what you're reading and they're 198 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,000 thinking about what you're thinking about, then God is 199 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,560 already in the spirit beginning to build like mindedness and 200 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:15,080 without anything yet, it's just the beginning formations. 201 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,400 Because remember what Paul told Timothy about deacons? 202 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,520 They first must be proven or tested. 203 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,880 And these are little tests that are also developmental that will 204 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,760 help you see what kind of relationship this person will 205 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,520 have within the context of your ministry. 206 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:35,000 So number one, I gave a book to read, whether it's the go to the 207 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,080 man God uses or something I've been reading. 208 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,160 It's been very, very helpful as you go through a book with a 209 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:41,920 brother. What what's what's something 210 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,560 that you have done over the years raising up? 211 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:49,040 Well, I've also used different books, but what I ask them is I 212 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:53,760 want you to read this chapter or these two chapters, and then I 213 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:58,520 want you to write down what God was speaking to you about from 214 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,240 the chapter. I don't want a book report. 215 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:05,240 I just want to hear what's going on in your heart when you read 216 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,960 it. And then it's due. 217 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,520 Next time we get together, I want to see it. 218 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,840 And then if they don't do it, that just tells me that it's not 219 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,040 that important. Yeah. 220 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,600 And so that, I mean, there's different things that 221 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,880 communicate that you look for. And then when I'm reading what 222 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:32,680 they say, I'm kind of getting a sense of how God is, is working 223 00:12:32,680 --> 00:12:35,320 with them, what's important to them, what's not important to 224 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:41,200 them. And so then there's what we did 225 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,040 and you know, down in Phoenix and we did this every year. 226 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:49,840 We started a nine month ministry discipleship team where I 227 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:56,000 selected fellas that I was watching over the year and they 228 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:00,400 were serving, they were joyful, they were interacting with 229 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,800 people, they were taking care of what was set in front, in front 230 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,800 of them. And I could just sense that, you 231 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,640 know, it just seems like maybe there's deeper things going on 232 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,840 and the Lord wants some deeper things. 233 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,680 And so I would come to them. I, I would go to them. 234 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,760 I wouldn't put out a general announcement. 235 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,160 I would go to them personally. And I would say, have you ever 236 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:26,120 thought about being a, part of a, of a team? 237 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:30,040 I want to put together A-Team to kind of pour into your lives a 238 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:34,000 little more and kind of show you what, what ministry looks like 239 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,680 behind the behind the scenes. And you go and pray about it and 240 00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:40,600 then get back with me in a, in a week or so. 241 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:46,560 And then I to me, it was important to have both the wife 242 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:52,800 and the and the man because I I wanted them to hear where my 243 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,640 heart. Was both sounds a little deeper, 244 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,240 though this isn't the first relate you. 245 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,400 They're already doing something they're already doing. 246 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,440 So you've got this is a secondary thing. 247 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,960 So then how did you so think of one thing? 248 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,480 How did the, how did they begin? Like you're, you're having to 249 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,440 build a team to begin with before you take them to the next 250 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,080 level of class. We have a school ministry here. 251 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,400 That is, we've opened it up to the church. 252 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,360 So that's a second level. But like, I'll give you another 253 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,000 one. As you're thinking, not only do 254 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,160 you give them a book, but you give them a Bible study that 255 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,960 really impacted you. You give them something and then 256 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,600 take notes on it. And that becomes the place of 257 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,040 dialogue. So you're you don't have aimless 258 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,600 discussions trying to figure out anything. 259 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,920 But you, you meet in a book, you meet in a Bible study. 260 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,320 You meet from the Bible study of the pastor. 261 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,760 Yeah, we were at come to church or, you know, go to this. 262 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,640 Not there should be already in church, but be in. 263 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,200 I just taught a Bible study last week. 264 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,720 Let's say you're the pastor. I just taught a Bible study. 265 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,120 I want to see your notes and let's talk about it, what you 266 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,480 get from it. And then you're drawing out from 267 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:59,000 them relationally that you're the reading what you're reading. 268 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,920 They're listening to what you're listening to. 269 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:03,920 Are there any tools? I mean, I have a list of them. 270 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,400 If I can go through them, I have a list of things that I've used 271 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:07,560 over the years. Let's hear it. 272 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,800 What if? OK, so the third one would be 273 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,040 invite them to coffee. And there's no homework. 274 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:13,800 You just like, hey, I want to get to know you. 275 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,920 And I've done that many, many times. 276 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,480 I've seen people like you did, just observing them with people. 277 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,240 They pop up here, they pop up there. 278 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,680 I see them praying over there. And hey, man, you want to 279 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,720 connect? And maybe after maybe not so 280 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,520 much coffee, you can go back to my office. 281 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,400 We'll talk at the front of the stage and that discussion will 282 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,640 tell me a lot about my observational skills, where I 283 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,080 and, and I think I have good observational skills, but the 284 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,040 problem is I don't always come to the right conclusions. 285 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,040 And that little discussion will tell me are they A10 that I 286 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,400 thought they were cuz they, or are they A1? 287 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,240 But I've got to keep going. I've got to watch, I've got to 288 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:57,160 see and I've got to act. And I'm I, I of all the people 289 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:01,240 that I meet, like at that ratio 50 and let's say 5 respond, 290 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:02,880 that's 10%. Yeah. 291 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,160 So there's going to be a lot of people that may not be ready, 292 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,720 may not be there. May we just got to be ready for 293 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,680 that. Another one would be applicable 294 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,120 is invite them to a prayer meeting. 295 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:14,920 I'll see you at the prayer meeting. 296 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,480 Hey, pastor, I need to meet with you and I, I got a meeting and 297 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,400 they. OK, I'll see you at the prayer 298 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,840 meeting Friday night. And whether, you know, if they 299 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:24,400 show up, we get to pray together. 300 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,000 And I love praying together. We just were praying. 301 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,920 We've been praying together for the last few weeks in our staff 302 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,480 meetings, right? And I love hearing the prayers 303 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,200 of the staff because I'm hearing their heart. 304 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:36,320 Exactly. Yeah. 305 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,600 You hear something different. Yes. 306 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:43,640 Rather than normal conversation, you hear intention, you hear 307 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,120 heart, you hear priorities. I mean. 308 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,000 Just this last Wednesday I we were praying and one of the 309 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,600 pastors and his wife prayed and what they said move me to action 310 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:56,800 like I I followed up with them right away. 311 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,240 I did not know that they were praying for that that was going 312 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,360 on and I was able to follow up with them and and having someone 313 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,640 in a prayer meeting and if they pray or don't pray or you just 314 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,280 learn a lot, right, You're learning how got you're learning 315 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,079 about the person of how you might be able to help them. 316 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:18,000 Another one in light of this, come and follow me is you. 317 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,359 You can have them. One of the things that we do 318 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:25,680 here at the church is we're here early to set up and we don't 319 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,240 have set up like we did in the school. 320 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,680 But there's always things to clean, always things to put in 321 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,680 order, always trash to take out. There are always things here. 322 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,800 So they the say, hey, Bob, you know, you, you really want to 323 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:37,640 serve here? Yeah. 324 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,200 Well, then come, we'll be here at 738 o'clock. 325 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:41,640 Come and take out the trash with us. 326 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,120 It's very instructive. If and tell them what you're 327 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:46,840 doing. Come and we'll, we'll mop the 328 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,120 floors together or tell them what you're doing like that's 329 00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:52,920 what you're doing. You're not, you're not making it 330 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,920 up. This is what we do at 8:00. 331 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:59,000 We we all are assignments. You know, I have to mop the 332 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,120 stairs, so come and help me mop the stairs. 333 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:07,080 Oh, oh, OK, Pastor. Yeah, I just yeah, and and it's 334 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,440 just relevatory. I mean, they may not like it 335 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,320 today, but after six months, God softens their heart. 336 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:20,200 The another thing I like to do is I asked them to if they've 337 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:21,840 been here, I asked them how long they've been here. 338 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,560 Another thing I do is I use the tools here of fill out a 339 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,960 ministry application that that simple, whether they do that or 340 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,240 not, and then I'll follow up with the team behind the scenes. 341 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,320 Hey, did so and so follow a ministry application because 342 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,640 they said they wanted to serve and they said they'd do 343 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,640 anything, but they can't do anything until because then 344 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:45,640 that'll help us call their recall their their references, 345 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,080 check in on them, see their doctrine. 346 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,400 You got to vet you. You have to vet them. 347 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:56,040 It mean, yeah, I mean, I there was several churches I've worked 348 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,360 with and vetting wasn't properly done and it got them into 349 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:00,960 trouble later on because they were. 350 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:03,920 People get hurt. Yeah, people get hurt. 351 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,840 Another one, another one that I love to do. 352 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,680 And this is, this is key, Bob. We, we assume this. 353 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,560 And I know the frustration when somebody calls me and they're 354 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,200 meaning it's there's a frustration, there's a fear I'm 355 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,520 doing it all, my house is suffering, all of that. 356 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:26,080 But what's lacking and people are people. 357 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:31,960 I know I was moved like this, so I'm saying it on myself, just 358 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:38,040 going to someone and asking them, have they ever considered 359 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,600 is powerful? Like I like I see this in you 360 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,240 and have you ever considered doing more of that? 361 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,760 That whether it it doesn't even matter where it's right or 362 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,880 wrong, it doesn't matter. I mean, we're leaders, so we 363 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,520 should be stepping into people's lives anyway. 364 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:59,400 But if there are people that just need to be asked and when 365 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,640 you ask them, it's amazing what a fire is lit within them. 366 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,320 Yeah. That this was the moment they 367 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,240 they have a respect for leadership. 368 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:09,840 They have. If there's 1000 different 369 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,680 reasons is not they're not all bad either, but have you and and 370 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:15,440 there's a couple ways to approach that. 371 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:20,760 One is to use these letters. I see. 372 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:26,760 In you if you remember those 4 letters, those are powerful 373 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:31,400 letters to share with someone and I'll give you I'll I'll do 374 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:37,640 it with you right now. Bob, I see in you a great love 375 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:42,040 for your wife and it's just the words I see this in you because 376 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,800 that's what I I do. But to help me remember that 377 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,960 that's a moving I, I want to and it doesn't it, this is, this is 378 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,760 broader than just raising up people, but this is something 379 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,920 that's stuck in my head that when I'm approaching someone, I 380 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,080 want them to know that I see something positive in them. 381 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,520 I want them to know that I, I really do see that gift. 382 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:04,920 Is that what do you think your gift is? 383 00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:07,000 Well, you know, I don't even know my spiritual gift. 384 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,240 Well, wouldn't you know it? I have taught through the 385 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,560 spiritual gifts. You need to know your, you can 386 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,360 know your gift you, you can know and I, I, I come from the 387 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,800 theological school that the seven primary gifts, you have 388 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,960 one of them. You can have more than one, but 389 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,800 one moves you, motivates you. Go find out which one that is. 390 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,520 And it'll show you where you fit in the body. 391 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,360 It'll actually show you where you fit in the world, that 392 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:33,400 motivational gift, but especially in the church. 393 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,560 But I see in you very, very powerful. 394 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,240 And I would say dads, they have kids, grandpas that have kids, 395 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,160 you need to use those letters with your kids a lot. 396 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,840 You need to use them with your wife a lot to be positive. 397 00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:49,560 Not just always, you know, I'll tell you what I see in you. 398 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,040 No, no, no, no, no. This is always in the positive 399 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,840 mode. And another one is the open end 400 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,360 of the question. Bob, have you ever considered 401 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,800 because that's directly related to your observation. 402 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:07,080 So for example, hey, have have you ever considered going to the 403 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,280 school ministry? Because that's back to your, 404 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,280 your illustration of the discipleship school you had. 405 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,480 Have you ever considered praying, 'cause I just see you, 406 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,720 have you? I did this, I just did this 407 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,160 recently. Have you ever considered being a 408 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,360 part of the greeters? Because you are an amazingly 409 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:25,840 happy person. You're always happy. 410 00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:28,800 And you know, I think you'd be great there. 411 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,240 I and and I in this particular case, I not only would you be 412 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,360 great there, but I would really be blessed if you are an 413 00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:39,320 extension of the ministry here and you were one of the first 414 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,880 people that someone saw on the property. 415 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:47,040 Have you ever considered that and letting that that invitation 416 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:51,480 from you in particular is big. But then the question to invite 417 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,160 where you've and again, I, I would say that's a little bit 418 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,640 farther along where you've seen this person for a while, but it 419 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,720 really hasn't done anything in your church that you approach 420 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,400 them. Have you ever considered can you 421 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,840 think of anything? When we start at our church in 422 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:12,840 1981 in a restaurant, Cowboy Bar and Grill was what we were able 423 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,880 to use. And this this one couple older 424 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:21,520 couple, but she was so bubbly. She just never turned it off. 425 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,000 And I said, I'm I could you guys be at the front door and just 426 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,880 greet people when they come in. And you know, she became a 427 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,000 legend with all the people. So good. 428 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,960 Sometimes she was a bit annoying because it was a bit over the 429 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,360 top, but it was great. It was perfect. 430 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,520 Do you have any to add to the list? 431 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,160 Are there any bullet points that you can think of of how you've 432 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:49,160 approached someone, how you, how you have connected so that that 433 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,960 relationship can start as a pastor or is it? 434 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,880 Well, I invite them along. Does that look like? 435 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,280 If I have to do shopping for the church, something mundane or 436 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,600 whatever else, Hey, let's, can you come with me? 437 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,840 Do you have a, you know, how about during your lunch hour? 438 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,360 I know you're working on a job. Do you have some time during 439 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:09,600 lunch? I've got to pick up a few 440 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,000 things. I got to go to Costco or 441 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,400 whatever else. Come on with me. 442 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,360 And then, like you had mentioned earlier, hearing some of their 443 00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:25,120 back story, hearing, you know, asking questions, if if you 444 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:29,440 could do anything, let's say money wasn't an object, what 445 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,280 what's really on your heart? If you had all the resources, 446 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:33,720 what would you really like to do? 447 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:40,400 And it's kind of then, then you listen and then you see if it's 448 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,640 even in the ballpark. You know when they say, well, I 449 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,280 want to become a millionaire by the time I'm 35 and well. 450 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,520 And then you're guiding that conversation though, because 451 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,760 there's some ambition there, there's some desire there, 452 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,840 there's some business savvy that perhaps and you're guiding that 453 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,960 conversation to see if that personality can't then be taken 454 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,560 and used. You know, Paul was an angry, out 455 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,720 of control man, Saul of Tarsus, where he was wanting to destroy 456 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,360 the church, but God could see it was a nascent personality in him 457 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,600 that would not be angry, that would not put that he could use 458 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,280 for the furtherance of the gospel. 459 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,920 And so you kind of move it around. 460 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,520 I you, you reminded me because I used to be on the other end of 461 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,640 this. I was also invited. 462 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,840 I was also discipled. And you reminded me, you talked 463 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,800 about the lunch hour. But I remember times back at 464 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,840 Calvary Chapel in Downey where one of the pastors or one of the 465 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,960 leaders would invite me to do something, but it required me to 466 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,000 take a vacation day. Like I took a vacation day from 467 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,640 work instead of, you know, agreeing with my wife and her. 468 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,360 But I invested my vacation days to spend a day with the brother 469 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:47,000 to how he wanted help. He needed help. 470 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:49,760 I and he trusted me. So I came alongside of him. 471 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,400 But I invested not just a lunch hour, but I, I remember times 472 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,360 where I would invest my, my vacation days so that I can be, 473 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,920 I could be in proximity to someone that could teach me and 474 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,280 train me. And I wanted to help him. 475 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,760 Like I, I I didn't have any major ambition other than man, a 476 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,000 pastor wants me to serve. Great. 477 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,480 I'll be there. Hey, Maria has our vacation all 478 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,720 set up because that leaves us 22 vacation days or Yeah, yeah, 479 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,280 whatever it might be that I can use at my discretion that I 480 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,280 could come and have that time. Now we, we are my timer's red 481 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,400 again because we could talk about this all day. 482 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,680 But here let me give you something that I have learned 483 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,720 over the years. Again, author unknown, but it 484 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,160 doesn't matter because it's really strong principles. 485 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,040 Once you have a relationship and you connect and you really 486 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,000 believe that this person receives from you, here is the 487 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,840 process in general. It's very simple. 488 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,320 Number one, this is how this is what it looks like. 489 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:57,720 I do something, you watch, then we talk about it #1 I do, you 490 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:06,200 watch, we talk, then #2 I do, you help me, and then we talk 491 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,640 about it. So first you're watching me, but 492 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,360 secondly, now I'm inviting you to help and take some of it. 493 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,160 Then #3 you do it and I help you. 494 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,080 So you now have taken, and this is all over time. 495 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,960 I don't have a particular time frame on this, but this is all 496 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:28,120 over time where you do, I help. Then we talk about it, then #4 497 00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:34,440 you do it, I watch, and then we talk about it, and then finally 498 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,960 you do it and someone else watches and it starts all over 499 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,520 again. The whole purpose of 500 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,360 discipleship, of course, is to keep giving it away. 501 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:45,720 The things Paul told Timothy, the things that you've learned, 502 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,760 make sure you commit to faithful men that they might teach others 503 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,600 also. That's the continual 504 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,960 discipleship. But this is the pattern. 505 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,920 You have something to do and the the big mistake, Bob and we'll 506 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,360 go through the red flashing timer here for a little bit, but 507 00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:05,160 the big mistake I see men leaders make is that they 508 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,080 misinterpret discipleship and delegation. 509 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,520 So discipleship has this process. 510 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,160 I'm doing it, you're with me, we're going to talk, ask me 511 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,520 questions, then I'm doing it. You're helping me. 512 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,440 We're going to talk like it. This is time and I have to model 513 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,560 it for you and and explain it to you to some degree. 514 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,480 Otherwise you're never going to learn it or you're going to see 515 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,200 something in you're going to misinterpret it and do something 516 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,440 totally different. So there is a a lot of 517 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:33,000 connection together. But in addition, if you and this 518 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,520 is what will end the episode. But if you think that raising up 519 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,040 Timothy's and and if you right now you have in your mind, I'm 520 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,800 just going to put everybody in the right place and where they 521 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,240 belong and I'm going to go off and on my merry way. 522 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,360 You, you have completely misunderstood delegation. 523 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,520 Delegation while it expands delegation expands what you can 524 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,800 do it also double S your workload. 525 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,000 It doesn't my it you don't get half your workload even though 526 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,720 more gets done it double S and a lot of guys don't double it and 527 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,960 this is where they fail because a lot of guys and gals that 528 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,320 disciple they OK Bob and we've gone through the whole process 529 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,200 and I give it to you and then I'd never follow up with you. 530 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,400 I never, never. Delegation needs not only to be 531 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,120 instructing, but you have to then follow up to make sure it 532 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,120 was done the way you wanted it done. 533 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,480 Yeah, there's accountability. You can't really do the. 534 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,160 Accountability. And that's where it's not a 535 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,880 transaction. It's another place where more 536 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,120 the transaction is. OK, Bob, you belong there. 537 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,640 And that's what? And then I'll move on and I'll 538 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,080 go do my thing. You do your thing. 539 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,880 That's not a team. Because when you do your thing 540 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,160 and I do my thing, we as the language of ministry. 541 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,440 So we do it together. And a leader has a 542 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:55,080 responsibility as he's deploying and as he's discipling and as 543 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,560 he's training and as he's falling up and as he's talking 544 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,600 and as he's connecting with the flock again, remember the 545 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,800 ratios. You could ask 50 people and 546 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:08,040 maybe 5, but praise God for those precious five. 547 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,320 Yeah, they're, they're the ones that God has given to you as a 548 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:17,600 gift to serve alongside of. But it's not transactional, It's 549 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,920 relational. It's always relational. 550 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,280 You're always thinking of how you can serve them and what are 551 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,680 you training them to do. You're training them to always 552 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,200 think of what they can do to help. 553 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,280 And it multiplies where there's a church not filled with 554 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,000 selfishness, but with selflessness. 555 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,720 At least we're all trying to grow in that of what the Lord 556 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,760 has. And over time, again, you can 557 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,800 have them serve in the most mundane things, at events and 558 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,440 things. But the reality is in raising 559 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,400 people up. I think if I had to walk away 560 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,640 with anything is you have to engage people. 561 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,800 You that it. You can wait, but you're going 562 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,040 to be waiting a long time. And I think of the brother that 563 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,320 says, well, but I did that and they just left. 564 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,640 That happens. Or I did that and they got mad 565 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,000 at me. I know. 566 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,840 Yeah, they did that. And they just abandoned ship. 567 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:16,240 They just went to another church because I know it is normal and 568 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,000 that's why this is that's why if you also it's very helpful to 569 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,200 take the approach of this is exciting to get to know people. 570 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,160 They may not fill the needs that you need, but you are filling 571 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,720 the needs that they have as you serve them and love them and 572 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,840 care for them. Yeah, You could end up being 573 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,960 like, your calling is to be a triage unit. 574 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,840 Yeah. And then they come in, they get 575 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,800 a, they get healing enough to walk. 576 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,680 And then and then they leave and you go, what did I do wrong? 577 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,160 You just, you help them in their process. 578 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,400 It's not about you, it's about him. 579 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,920 It was hard for me. To learn that I learned that the 580 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,160 hard way here in Colorado military town, Colorado's very 581 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:01,240 transient people come and go. I didn't, I didn't realize the 582 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,280 pain of people coming and going, but but eventually the Lord gave 583 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,480 me this sense of Ed, I want you to serve them while you have 584 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,320 them. And then we began praying that 585 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,320 they leave stronger than when they first came, right? 586 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,040 And many do stay, but it's the ones that leave get the 587 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,560 attention because it hurts. It hurts so much. 588 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,400 It's hard. So don't lose heart, friend. 589 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,520 Remember, God is in this. He wants to use you in raising 590 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,760 people up and you can do it. So this comes to the end. 591 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,640 That was 2 episodes. I mean, we talked a lot about 592 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,680 raising up people. If you have any questions, you 593 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:43,280 want to clarifyoryougotascenarioemailus.ed@edtaylor.org, 594 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:53,720 ed@edtaylor.org, or you can text me 720-608-0012 and I'd love to 595 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,720 hear your feedback. I'd love to hear maybe some 596 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,800 things you have done that have been successful, things you've 597 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,760 done that haven't been so successful. 598 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,440 But to me, this is the fun part of ministry. 599 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,560 There are other parts of ministry that are super hard, 600 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,280 but this is the fun part, even though it is also hard. 601 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,160 It's not easy, but the wonderful people that I, that I've had the 602 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,600 privilege of serving with deployed within the ministry and 603 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,760 everything, it's been glorious. So this is the lead to Serve 604 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,880 podcast. We're finishing up yet another 605 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,360 episode. I hope it's blessed you. 606 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,960 I know it's blessed me just talking about it. 607 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,960 And this is the space I live in. And for on behalf of Pastor Bob 608 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,120 and me, Pastor Ed Taylor, until next time, the Lord bless you 609 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,400 and encourage you. And again, if you want to 610 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,840 connect with us, go to the website edtaylor.org, 611 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,040 edtaylor.org and we'll connect with you there. 612 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,360 God bless you guys. Thank you for joining. 613 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,960 Us for this episode of Lead to Serve with Pastor Ed Taylor, a 614 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,160 leadership podcast from Calvary Church in Aurora, Co. 615 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,520 If you have a leadership question you want to hear 616 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,880 answered on a future Lead to Serve podcast, please e-mail it 617 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,480 to Pastor Ed at Calvary Co dot church. 618 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,120 And if you like our podcast, please subscribe, rate or review 619 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,320 us on iTunes and share us with your friends on social media. 620 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:11,480 Thanks again for joining us, and we'll see you next time right 621 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,639 here on the Lead to Serve podcast.