1 00:00:05,500 --> 00:00:08,540 Calvary Church presents Lead to Serve, a leadership 2 00:00:08,540 --> 00:00:10,880 podcast with Ed Taylor. Hey, 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,040 welcome again to another edition of the Lead to 4 00:00:13,040 --> 00:00:17,180 Serve podcast with me, Pastor Ed Taylor. I'm 5 00:00:17,180 --> 00:00:20,720 your host for today. We launch into season number 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,140 five. It's been a great season, a lot 7 00:00:24,140 --> 00:00:27,040 of great topics. I think the feedback from 8 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,560 last week has been very, very good. So 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,619 keep sending it. Remember, if you have a good review, 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,940 say that on wherever you get your podcast. If 11 00:00:35,940 --> 00:00:38,400 you have a bad review, you can always send it to Bob. 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:40,300 He loves to read those things. 13 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:41,720 But really, if there's any 14 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,100 input or any improvement, you can always send it our 15 00:00:44,100 --> 00:00:46,620 way. You know, the goal of our 16 00:00:46,620 --> 00:00:50,120 podcast is to grow you in your servant leadership so 17 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,100 that you'll grow and glorify God and all that 18 00:00:53,100 --> 00:00:54,540 you do. And you know, the better 19 00:00:54,540 --> 00:00:57,280 servant you are, the better leader you'll become and 20 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,820 the better leader you'll become, the better servant 21 00:00:59,820 --> 00:01:02,260 you'll be. So these times are designed to 22 00:01:02,260 --> 00:01:04,080 discuss important topics. And 23 00:01:04,087 --> 00:01:07,120 one of the feedback, one of the big feedback that I 24 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,440 got is that you really appreciated when there was 25 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,180 two of us in the studio. And 26 00:01:11,180 --> 00:01:13,220 so for most of the season, all the season, I have 27 00:01:13,220 --> 00:01:15,120 Pastor Bob Claycamp in here. But 28 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,080 today I've got another special guest, one of the 29 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,880 newest members of our team here, Pastor Sean Stone. 30 00:01:21,140 --> 00:01:22,920 Welcome, Pastor Sean. Hey, 31 00:01:22,940 --> 00:01:24,960 thanks, Ed. I listened to the podcast and 32 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:27,920 now that I'm on staff, it's fun to see the inner 33 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,000 workings and get the invite to come back here and be 34 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,360 a part of it. Are you going to listen to 35 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,480 this episode too? Yeah, for sure, absolutely. And 36 00:01:34,488 --> 00:01:37,120 say, what did I say? Yeah. How did I say it? But 37 00:01:37,128 --> 00:01:40,660 I think you have a lot to offer just in, I mean, we 38 00:01:40,660 --> 00:01:43,360 could probably develop a season of some of the 39 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:44,800 things the Lord has taught you. But 40 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,460 you've been through a couple of seasons of 41 00:01:48,460 --> 00:01:50,900 change. And I know change is something 42 00:01:50,900 --> 00:01:53,760 we try to avoid. Change can be very good, very 43 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:55,820 challenging. But I thought we'd spend some 44 00:01:55,820 --> 00:01:57,860 time talking about some changes. Big 45 00:01:57,860 --> 00:02:00,820 steps of faith. That's been a part of our season 46 00:02:00,820 --> 00:02:04,360 for season five. But a little bit about you. 47 00:02:04,900 --> 00:02:06,480 You are married to Angela. 48 00:02:07,140 --> 00:02:08,919 You've been married, did I get it 49 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,140 right, 16 years? Was those the 16 best years of 50 00:02:12,140 --> 00:02:15,480 your life or Angela's life? Probably 51 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,940 mine. And thank God for Angela's 52 00:02:18,940 --> 00:02:21,880 mercy and grace. Five kiddos ranging in what age? 53 00:02:22,640 --> 00:02:25,380 Youngest is three, oldest is 13. So 54 00:02:25,388 --> 00:02:27,040 that's quite the spread, yeah. Quite 55 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,560 the spread. So for a solid decade, Angela 56 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,440 was pregnant and going through it. And 57 00:02:33,448 --> 00:02:35,740 the tough 10 years for her. In 58 00:02:35,740 --> 00:02:38,220 our family, we have three kids and the spread is 10 59 00:02:38,220 --> 00:02:41,080 years from the oldest to the youngest, not by 60 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,420 design, but the way it all worked out 10 years. And 61 00:02:44,420 --> 00:02:47,380 it worked out. I mean, that even from the 62 00:02:47,380 --> 00:02:49,340 oldest to the youngest, they ended up getting 63 00:02:49,340 --> 00:02:51,160 along. It's almost, that's like a half 64 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,380 a generation. Yeah, and it is significant. Just 65 00:02:54,380 --> 00:02:57,560 on a side note, I grew up, I was adopted into a 66 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,220 family. My sister was adopted in and 67 00:02:59,220 --> 00:03:02,820 we're five years apart. And even those five years was 68 00:03:02,820 --> 00:03:05,700 a distance. But I also have to add that 69 00:03:05,700 --> 00:03:09,960 our parents didn't really nurture that separation. So 70 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,980 I know you guys have a great emphasis on nurturing 71 00:03:12,980 --> 00:03:15,540 in that separation years. So 72 00:03:15,540 --> 00:03:17,200 that you're helping them adjust. But 73 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:18,340 I didn't really get that. So 74 00:03:18,340 --> 00:03:20,660 my sister and I weren't very close hardly at all. 75 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:21,820 So she didn't like help watch 76 00:03:21,820 --> 00:03:23,620 you or feed you or hang out? No, 77 00:03:23,660 --> 00:03:25,260 she left the house pretty young. So 78 00:03:25,260 --> 00:03:27,940 I almost grew up as an only child. Like 79 00:03:27,940 --> 00:03:30,980 she left in her early teenage years. So 80 00:03:30,980 --> 00:03:33,140 that would have left me eight or nine. I 81 00:03:33,140 --> 00:03:34,740 was basically a latchkey kid. That's 82 00:03:34,740 --> 00:03:36,780 what got me in so much trouble. My 83 00:03:36,780 --> 00:03:39,540 both my parents work and they left money on the 84 00:03:39,540 --> 00:03:42,560 table, bad idea and a key. And 85 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,280 I basically raised myself for many, many, many years 86 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,340 and got in a lot of trouble, which is a 87 00:03:48,340 --> 00:03:50,900 different podcast altogether. But 88 00:03:50,900 --> 00:03:53,180 great. You guys, you guys recently 89 00:03:53,180 --> 00:03:56,660 moved to Colorado, but let's go backwards. So 90 00:03:56,660 --> 00:03:59,540 we'll in there, but go backwards. You 91 00:03:59,540 --> 00:04:03,180 are grew up born and raised Tucson, Tucson, 92 00:04:03,380 --> 00:04:06,900 Arizona, 37 years. You get saved there at an 93 00:04:06,900 --> 00:04:09,940 outreach or a. It was like a mall Bible 94 00:04:09,940 --> 00:04:13,780 study that a friend of a friend was having. And 95 00:04:13,780 --> 00:04:16,279 they would invite my friend out. And 96 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,640 this friend of mine, we were drinking buddies. So, 97 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,839 you know, kind of getting into trouble, not, not 98 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,780 making the best decisions. But 99 00:04:23,780 --> 00:04:25,760 hey, like there's these pretty girls at this Bible 100 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,160 study. It's in the mall. It 101 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,020 wasn't even a church. So we started going and I 102 00:04:30,020 --> 00:04:32,300 started engaging with the word of God. For 103 00:04:32,300 --> 00:04:34,740 the first time, really reading it, thinking about 104 00:04:34,740 --> 00:04:36,720 it and then talking about it. And 105 00:04:36,728 --> 00:04:38,700 it got in me and it just how long did it take? It 106 00:04:38,700 --> 00:04:41,380 changed me. Probably just maybe a month or two 107 00:04:41,380 --> 00:04:44,540 of doing that. Yeah. And I had, I had a good 108 00:04:44,540 --> 00:04:47,300 foundation set because I hadn't, I still have a 109 00:04:47,300 --> 00:04:50,840 godly uncle who, who really poured into me. Yes. 110 00:04:50,980 --> 00:04:55,300 A lot of scriptures and things about Jesus and 111 00:04:55,300 --> 00:04:57,120 showed me the love of Jesus. But 112 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,160 this time it was like, I was 19. So 113 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,320 I was kind of forming it as an adult and it, man, 114 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,880 God got me right at a great time. How 115 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,740 do you get from the mall to a church and what 116 00:05:07,740 --> 00:05:09,800 church was that? So my uncle had been going to 117 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,420 Calvary Tucson, Pastor Robert Furrow. He 118 00:05:12,420 --> 00:05:14,720 was the guy we listened to kind of growing up. I'd 119 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,340 go every few months when my uncle would call us, 120 00:05:17,380 --> 00:05:19,180 Hey, are you guys coming to church? And 121 00:05:19,180 --> 00:05:21,980 once I got saved, it was like, I had served at a 122 00:05:21,980 --> 00:05:24,120 few other churches, but Calvary Tucson was my home 123 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,640 church. Pastor Robert was my pastor. So 124 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,300 when you say served, what it just like, like, I did 125 00:05:29,300 --> 00:05:31,560 worship at a church for a little bit. I 126 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,200 was a janitor at a church for about a year, another 127 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,100 church, and started serving in the kids ministry at 128 00:05:37,100 --> 00:05:39,400 Calvary Tucson. And so you spent how many 129 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,880 years there? Calvary Tucson was about 15 years. 130 00:05:42,060 --> 00:05:43,560 15 years. You meet your, where'd you meet 131 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:44,940 your wife? That mall? Was 132 00:05:44,940 --> 00:05:46,620 it the mall Bible study? No, 133 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,280 no, probably two years after I got saved or a 134 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:50,800 year and a half after I got saved. Yes. 135 00:05:50,980 --> 00:05:53,660 I met Angela and she was dancing. She's 136 00:05:53,660 --> 00:05:55,680 actually a dancer. I saw you guys posting a 137 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,660 picture on Instagram. Every time you posted, you're 138 00:05:57,660 --> 00:06:00,860 posting some dancing picture and you look okay. You 139 00:06:00,860 --> 00:06:03,940 look kind of happy. I love watching the expression 140 00:06:03,940 --> 00:06:06,120 on people's faces when I tell, my wife was a 141 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,720 dancer, but she was working with this ministry that 142 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:10,680 would go into high school. So 143 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,740 it's called Breakdown. I think they're still going. 144 00:06:13,500 --> 00:06:14,540 And they would go into public 145 00:06:14,540 --> 00:06:18,920 schools and present a skit, like a drama skit with 146 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,260 dance, pop and lock and hip hop and jazz. And 147 00:06:22,268 --> 00:06:26,440 it was raising awareness on like drug use, on what 148 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:27,720 happens when you get pregnant. Just 149 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,280 a lot of drama happening in high school kids' lives. 150 00:06:30,420 --> 00:06:31,460 That's what the skit was and it 151 00:06:31,460 --> 00:06:33,100 showed them how to deal with that. And 152 00:06:33,100 --> 00:06:35,100 she was one of the dancers I started hanging out. It 153 00:06:35,108 --> 00:06:36,480 was a Christian organization. So 154 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,740 I'd come leadership and that's where we connected. 155 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,160 And you were a dancer too? So 156 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:42,860 that was a stretch. Only because I married to one 157 00:06:42,860 --> 00:06:43,800 now. Yeah. That was a stretch. You 158 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,220 learned to be one. Because you're musical. When 159 00:06:45,220 --> 00:06:49,540 your wife is one. Yeah. I've learned to enjoy it. 160 00:06:49,660 --> 00:06:50,900 We have a good time now. I 161 00:06:50,900 --> 00:06:53,060 never did cross that line because that's a big deal 162 00:06:53,060 --> 00:06:56,920 for Marie and I just never, I don't have it in. 163 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:58,200 You're not a dancer, huh? I 164 00:06:58,200 --> 00:06:59,500 don't have it in me. All right. I've 165 00:06:59,500 --> 00:07:01,520 tried a few times. I just don't have it in me. 166 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:03,540 It's the difference between 167 00:07:03,540 --> 00:07:06,160 weddings being like not so great. So 168 00:07:06,168 --> 00:07:08,840 being awesome is if you're brave enough to get out 169 00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:10,300 there and dance. So dancing makes everything 170 00:07:10,300 --> 00:07:12,540 awesome. It makes weddings. Yeah. 171 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,220 I would say it makes everything awesome. Yeah. 172 00:07:15,220 --> 00:07:18,020 Maybe incorporate it in our trip. What 173 00:07:18,027 --> 00:07:19,480 do you think? Let's do that. No 174 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,580 pitch here. Do a little dancing with 175 00:07:21,580 --> 00:07:24,620 flags. Some ribbon, ribbon, interpretive 176 00:07:24,620 --> 00:07:26,700 dance. Yeah. Ribbon dancing. So 177 00:07:26,707 --> 00:07:29,060 you've been married 16 years. You're 178 00:07:29,060 --> 00:07:30,800 in Tucson. You're thriving. You're 179 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,220 a worship leader, of course. You've 180 00:07:32,220 --> 00:07:35,360 also written music. You produce music. You've 181 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,520 put out CDs. Like this is God's call upon 182 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,440 your life. You're a worship leader. You're 183 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,920 a worship pastor. You're thriving in Tucson. Is 184 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:45,400 that inaccurate? You're it. Yeah. 185 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,220 It was the opportunities there were amazing. Yeah. 186 00:07:48,260 --> 00:07:50,500 I would say it was a season of thriving. A 187 00:07:50,500 --> 00:07:52,780 lot to do as far as ministry. So 188 00:07:52,787 --> 00:07:57,980 pastoring, counseling, overseeing young adults at 189 00:07:57,980 --> 00:08:00,100 one point. It wasn't that I could pour 190 00:08:00,100 --> 00:08:01,680 everything into music there. Of 191 00:08:01,688 --> 00:08:04,200 course. But they gave me Pastor Robert, 192 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,440 Troy, Paul. Those guys gave me so much 193 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,160 opportunity. As a young man, to be like, 194 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,240 hey, come in. And we want to give you these 195 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,220 opportunities. They took a risk on me and I'm 196 00:08:13,220 --> 00:08:14,380 forever grateful for that. I 197 00:08:14,380 --> 00:08:17,440 like that perspective where if we see something in 198 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,560 someone, we want them to be around here because 199 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,800 proximity opens up a lot of different doors. And 200 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,320 you just don't know what's in a person until you see 201 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,520 them a lot. So just come and hang out and 202 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:28,600 come and do something. We'll 203 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,120 find something for you to do. But 204 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:31,940 that gives us an opportunity to watch you, 205 00:08:32,039 --> 00:08:34,520 see you, serve alongside of you, develop. And 206 00:08:34,528 --> 00:08:37,740 I know Robert has the same perspective. Sure. 207 00:08:37,900 --> 00:08:40,000 So you're in a thriving time in Calvary Tucson. 208 00:08:40,580 --> 00:08:41,760 God's using you in incredible 209 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,460 ways. But there comes a season in 210 00:08:44,460 --> 00:08:47,220 your life where you start praying with your wife 211 00:08:47,220 --> 00:08:49,880 about maybe launching off to something else. Talk 212 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:51,840 to us about that season. Like 213 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,020 what does that look like in terms of God stirring 214 00:08:55,020 --> 00:08:58,340 up in your heart that maybe there's more than 215 00:08:58,340 --> 00:09:00,800 what's going on right here? When 216 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,020 I first got hired at Calvary Tucson, there was 217 00:09:03,020 --> 00:09:06,280 another pastor, Pastor Allen, who was also very 218 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,500 influential. He was actually on his way 219 00:09:08,500 --> 00:09:10,940 out going to another church as I was coming in. And 220 00:09:10,940 --> 00:09:13,660 he had said at one point that he never wanted to 221 00:09:13,660 --> 00:09:16,920 get comfortable and settle in and just say, this is 222 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,000 it. And that really struck me. And 223 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,000 I took that to heart. So working with Calvary Tucson 224 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,020 full time, I was like, I felt like I was getting 225 00:09:24,020 --> 00:09:25,960 paid to go to school and I wanted to keep that 226 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:27,260 mentality. I wanted to continue to 227 00:09:27,260 --> 00:09:30,260 learn, but I didn't want to get comfortable. And 228 00:09:30,260 --> 00:09:32,940 so there were seasons every few years where it's like 229 00:09:32,940 --> 00:09:35,880 Angela and I, we had a stirring for missions. We 230 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,400 had a stirring to maybe church plant. Just 231 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,640 a lot of different ideas that you have, especially 232 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,560 when you're younger and energetic and you don't 233 00:09:42,560 --> 00:09:44,480 have five kids, right? You're 234 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,100 just thinking big, dreaming big. And 235 00:09:46,108 --> 00:09:48,700 so we had actually attempted a few times and 236 00:09:48,700 --> 00:09:52,180 prayed seriously about going overseas. Where 237 00:09:52,180 --> 00:09:53,560 were you thinking of going? Ireland 238 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:56,700 was one. Yes. We had several opportunities 239 00:09:56,700 --> 00:09:58,440 to go over there. And then a couple came to our 240 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,280 church. You wanted a church plant. And 241 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,320 when it was like, yes, we think it's time for us to 242 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,680 go. They said no. And 243 00:10:05,680 --> 00:10:06,700 it was really interesting. And 244 00:10:06,700 --> 00:10:10,020 then we got pregnant. And with each open door that 245 00:10:10,020 --> 00:10:12,400 we thought we attempted to walk through, God would 246 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,200 shut the door and then it would be revealed we were 247 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,280 pregnant again. It seemed to be a pattern. 248 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:17,960 Like, stick around. And 249 00:10:17,968 --> 00:10:22,000 with each closed door at Calvary Tucson, there were 250 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:27,720 little things that maybe was a irritant to get me 251 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,860 to move out. And every time that door was 252 00:10:29,860 --> 00:10:32,960 closed and I returned to that, whatever that problem 253 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,000 or that irritant was, every church has things that are 254 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,760 just in life in general. There 255 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,580 was a maturity having to go back to that. And 256 00:10:40,580 --> 00:10:43,740 what was amazing was seeing the process of God maturing 257 00:10:43,740 --> 00:10:46,040 me every time he said no. And 258 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,220 that was pivotal because there were times where I 259 00:10:49,220 --> 00:10:51,280 felt like, well, I think I just want to go do 260 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,860 something new just because I'm, you know, I guess get 261 00:10:54,860 --> 00:10:58,120 away from the difficulties I'm feeling presently. 262 00:10:58,620 --> 00:11:00,500 Nothing huge, but it was definitely 263 00:11:00,500 --> 00:11:03,420 an immature mindset. Of course. Partly 264 00:11:03,420 --> 00:11:05,020 immature. A mixture. It 265 00:11:05,020 --> 00:11:06,360 was a mixture. Yeah, there was certainly 266 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,960 adventure there. And so God would say, no, and 267 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,400 I'd come back and we'd work things, we'll work 268 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,220 through things at Calvary Tucson and I'd grow a 269 00:11:14,220 --> 00:11:15,900 little more and get a little more opportunity. It 270 00:11:15,900 --> 00:11:18,960 was just amazing to see until, you know, two years 271 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,320 ago when God finally opened that door. And 272 00:11:22,328 --> 00:11:25,040 we launched from Calvary Tucson. So 273 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,640 you're praying about, you're praying in a similar 274 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,000 season, just open to the things of the Lord and an 275 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,220 opportunity comes. Was it out of the blue? Was 276 00:11:33,228 --> 00:11:35,920 it like, how do you end up in another state? How 277 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:37,860 does somebody, you know, for the sake of people 278 00:11:37,860 --> 00:11:40,300 listening, like they're serving their faithful, they 279 00:11:40,300 --> 00:11:43,700 don't know, how did it work for you where you're 280 00:11:43,700 --> 00:11:47,340 in one place, thriving, growing, and then within a 281 00:11:47,340 --> 00:11:49,200 short amount of time, you are in another state 282 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,180 serving in another church. We 283 00:11:51,180 --> 00:11:54,980 got to a place where there were enough closed doors, 284 00:11:55,100 --> 00:11:57,860 enough settling in to what God had for us at Calvary 285 00:11:57,860 --> 00:12:00,440 Tucson and embracing like things were, things were 286 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,960 healthy there. I really appreciate, still 287 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,900 appreciate the leadership there. Felt 288 00:12:06,900 --> 00:12:09,500 like I had fruitful ministry there. So 289 00:12:09,500 --> 00:12:12,760 we got to a place where it wasn't, there was really 290 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,820 no element of escape. And I think that's a part of 291 00:12:15,820 --> 00:12:18,140 why it became an open door. So 292 00:12:18,148 --> 00:12:21,820 we had, we just moved into another house. It 293 00:12:21,820 --> 00:12:24,340 was a larger house because we were in this small 294 00:12:24,340 --> 00:12:26,900 house for a long time and five kids, we were like, 295 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,520 man, we wanted some space. So 296 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,000 it was kind of like, we just got this house that 297 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,380 we could probably be in for a long time. I 298 00:12:32,380 --> 00:12:34,260 was overseeing young adults at that point, really 299 00:12:34,260 --> 00:12:36,760 pouring in as a pastor. Doing 300 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,180 worship as well. Ministry was very fruitful. It 301 00:12:40,180 --> 00:12:42,060 was like we were in a place where we could stay 302 00:12:42,060 --> 00:12:46,100 and get settled in. And I remember, I believe it 303 00:12:46,100 --> 00:12:51,660 was a documentary on the life of Eric Little. And 304 00:12:51,660 --> 00:12:54,480 I just remember his faith and his zeal and it, 305 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,020 something stirred in me like, it just, that 306 00:12:56,020 --> 00:12:57,860 reminder of don't get comfortable, Sean, like 307 00:12:57,860 --> 00:13:00,260 things are good here. Don't get comfortable. And 308 00:13:00,260 --> 00:13:04,100 I got that stir in my heart and no coincidence at 309 00:13:04,100 --> 00:13:06,060 the same time I'm teaching through Genesis, the life 310 00:13:06,060 --> 00:13:08,960 of Abraham, which every time it just stirs me up. 311 00:13:09,020 --> 00:13:11,960 When I see the story of Abraham 312 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,560 and how God moved him on. And 313 00:13:14,568 --> 00:13:16,780 so again, I hit, hit the story of the life of 314 00:13:16,780 --> 00:13:18,160 Abraham. My wife and I just started 315 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,980 talking, Hey, you know, let's not say we're going 316 00:13:20,980 --> 00:13:23,220 anywhere, but let's just be open -handed and pray. And 317 00:13:23,220 --> 00:13:27,120 so we kind of went through a season of fasting and 318 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,820 just praying together. And I prayed very specific 319 00:13:30,820 --> 00:13:34,400 things. We had three friends who had 320 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:38,680 recently church planted two in different states. And 321 00:13:38,680 --> 00:13:40,700 I thought, well, maybe God's stirring us up 322 00:13:40,700 --> 00:13:42,720 because he wants us to help one of these guys. 323 00:13:43,060 --> 00:13:45,620 And so my fleece before the 324 00:13:45,620 --> 00:13:47,940 Lord was kind of like, Lord, we're going to commit 325 00:13:47,940 --> 00:13:52,520 some time to pray. And if you desire us to go 326 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,620 somewhere specific, have them, I believe you can 327 00:13:56,620 --> 00:13:59,280 put me on their hearts, have them reach out to me 328 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:00,720 and just see what they say. It 329 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,500 was kind of a, I didn't tell my friends or I 330 00:14:02,500 --> 00:14:05,500 didn't want to, to even manipulate the situation at 331 00:14:05,500 --> 00:14:07,440 all. And so at the end of our 332 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,040 allotted time of fasting, I didn't get a call from any 333 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,000 of them. I got a call from a friend 334 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,480 of ours out in Springfield in Missouri. And 335 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,940 it was like, wow, maybe that was it. And 336 00:14:19,940 --> 00:14:21,700 so we started praying and it was just like from 337 00:14:21,700 --> 00:14:25,020 that, from that point on, all the cards fell into 338 00:14:25,020 --> 00:14:28,560 place and all the doors opened and the sale of the 339 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,020 house and everything just moved in that direction. So 340 00:14:32,020 --> 00:14:34,480 was it hard to leave Tucson? Walking 341 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,000 away from our root system. Because 342 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,840 you grew up there. You were born and raised there 343 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,400 or? Yes, both of us born and 344 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,380 raised. But I would say that was 345 00:14:43,380 --> 00:14:46,080 harder when we left it. It wasn't hard at the time. 346 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:47,060 At the time it was just like, 347 00:14:47,180 --> 00:14:49,480 hey, man, God has confirmed. We're 348 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,200 moving on something new, something fresh. And 349 00:14:52,208 --> 00:14:53,300 there was that excitement. But 350 00:14:53,300 --> 00:14:56,900 when you get to the next place and you realize those 351 00:14:56,900 --> 00:15:00,000 roots aren't there, that was that was hard. That 352 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,100 was the hard part. That's when the honeymoon phase 353 00:15:04,100 --> 00:15:06,800 ends and you're just in the grind in the new 354 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,940 place, but you don't have the family around you or 355 00:15:09,940 --> 00:15:14,860 the church family with these relationships with 356 00:15:14,860 --> 00:15:17,520 these people that I've served with and they know 357 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:18,740 me well. So all the years. They 358 00:15:18,740 --> 00:15:22,500 love me and they trust me and they respect me and 359 00:15:22,500 --> 00:15:25,160 all the open doors that that brings in ministry 360 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,600 gone, like starting completely over with people 361 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:33,820 who don't know me. The pastor there knew me and 362 00:15:33,820 --> 00:15:36,060 knows me. And so that was good. He 363 00:15:36,060 --> 00:15:37,320 gave me a lot of open doors. But 364 00:15:37,328 --> 00:15:41,800 and then I would say also the culture over there was 365 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,400 a reminder of how hard it was to leave the roots and 366 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:46,400 the culture that I'm in. Midwest, 367 00:15:46,580 --> 00:15:49,480 right? Midwest. And then probably Tucson's 368 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,260 probably more of a western still or they call it 369 00:15:52,260 --> 00:15:54,620 Southwest, right? Southwest. Yeah. Colorado 370 00:15:54,620 --> 00:15:56,680 here in Denver, they have it's kind of still 371 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,600 California -ish. It's like the last real western 372 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,640 city before you get into Kansas. Yes. 373 00:16:02,860 --> 00:16:05,080 And we noticed that coming here from the Midwest. 374 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:06,900 Yeah. Was it felt a lot more 375 00:16:06,900 --> 00:16:09,160 like what we were used to in Arizona? Yeah. 376 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,020 Just the way people interact. I 377 00:16:11,020 --> 00:16:13,700 didn't anticipate that like what you said because I'm 378 00:16:13,700 --> 00:16:16,080 moving from Southern California coming to 379 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,180 Colorado. We were just so gung -ho. We 380 00:16:18,180 --> 00:16:20,620 were confident in what God called us to do and even 381 00:16:20,620 --> 00:16:25,200 anticipated a little bit of we need to be alone. God 382 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,880 wants to establish my family. I 383 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,760 can look back now because I'm in my 50s so my kids 384 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,340 are all grown up now. But going through it, I could 385 00:16:33,340 --> 00:16:36,700 sense enough of it like God wanted us to be pulled 386 00:16:36,700 --> 00:16:40,040 all those routes up. I knew he wanted us to plant 387 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,120 a church, whatever that looked like, at least to 388 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,960 try to. But to get us alone, our 389 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:49,160 family, it was so really good for our family to be 390 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,480 here, to be together and not have all these external 391 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,560 pressures. Two houses to go for 392 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,220 Thanksgiving Christmas and then friends to go and 393 00:16:58,220 --> 00:17:00,220 then church to go. And then I had a pretty 394 00:17:00,220 --> 00:17:04,119 demanding job that I didn't know. We 395 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,619 didn't know how much pressure there was until we 396 00:17:06,619 --> 00:17:10,560 left it. I'm like, oh, I see. This 397 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,500 is absolutely. And here in Colorado, as much 398 00:17:13,500 --> 00:17:15,839 as it's grown over the years, it's still very 399 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:17,740 slow. This is a very slow city 400 00:17:17,740 --> 00:17:23,040 compared to LA. It's just slow and traffic's 401 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:24,380 increased over the years. But 402 00:17:24,388 --> 00:17:28,660 moving, taking that step of faith was the best thing 403 00:17:28,660 --> 00:17:31,240 for my family. So we got a few minutes left. 404 00:17:31,340 --> 00:17:32,540 So we got maybe 10 minutes 405 00:17:32,540 --> 00:17:34,920 left. Let's talk about this sense of 406 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,780 taking a step of faith. The 407 00:17:36,780 --> 00:17:40,080 step of faith for you, not very hard, leaving Tucson, 408 00:17:40,340 --> 00:17:43,260 you're all in and then there's no looking back or 409 00:17:43,260 --> 00:17:45,900 where there are fears, anxieties, things that you 410 00:17:45,900 --> 00:17:47,840 had to get over or get through, nothing like that. 411 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,180 I think I'm more of the 412 00:17:49,180 --> 00:17:52,700 personality to just dive right in and maybe I get 413 00:17:52,700 --> 00:17:55,080 myself into trouble because I'll jump into something 414 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,780 maybe without thinking it through or without having 415 00:17:57,780 --> 00:18:00,700 the healthy fear. So I was ready to go and we 416 00:18:00,700 --> 00:18:03,860 just did it. And I felt like my wife was 417 00:18:03,860 --> 00:18:05,640 in that place. Now, when we moved, we were 418 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,680 heading towards where her parents lived. So 419 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,660 there was a comfort. There was a comfort for her 420 00:18:10,660 --> 00:18:14,680 ahead of us. But I just went for it. And 421 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,420 I knew I'd miss my family. I 422 00:18:17,420 --> 00:18:20,560 knew I'd miss all my Calvary Tucson family, which 423 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,740 I still do. But I didn't feel it until we 424 00:18:24,740 --> 00:18:26,960 were until we had launched. But 425 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,100 that isolation that you talked about was so healthy 426 00:18:30,100 --> 00:18:33,440 for our family as well. I think it helped me to be 427 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,940 more present of a husband. Because 428 00:18:37,940 --> 00:18:40,800 I didn't have, life was crazy in Tucson too. There 429 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,600 was always something to do, always someone who wanted 430 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,820 to hang out or the holidays were insane between 431 00:18:46,820 --> 00:18:49,160 church and family and all that stuff. And 432 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,820 then all of a sudden there's this isolation where 433 00:18:51,820 --> 00:18:53,840 we don't know a lot of people. And 434 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,900 I'm watching my wife deal with this as well. And 435 00:18:56,908 --> 00:19:00,720 it, having to go through that really brought us 436 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,860 together. And I think it, God showed me 437 00:19:02,860 --> 00:19:05,620 how to be more of an attentive husband. And 438 00:19:05,620 --> 00:19:07,460 I'm still growing. I'm still growing in that even 439 00:19:07,460 --> 00:19:10,300 here. But, but I'm really grateful for 440 00:19:10,300 --> 00:19:13,440 our marriage where it's at now. Yeah. 441 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,140 And it wasn't unhealthy before, but we were 442 00:19:16,140 --> 00:19:19,440 definitely, I would say I was preoccupied with a lot 443 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,000 of other things. Yeah. And that, even looking at 444 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,800 some of these phases in our marriage, which could 445 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,940 be a whole different discussion, that's not 446 00:19:25,940 --> 00:19:28,920 necessarily even unhealthy, except that God has more 447 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,460 health. Like, so wherever we are, God's 448 00:19:31,460 --> 00:19:34,340 going to add more health and add to this, where we 449 00:19:34,340 --> 00:19:37,000 were in a great place for where we were, but God had 450 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,180 more and God had more. And he's using some of these 451 00:19:39,180 --> 00:19:40,940 things. So you spent about a year in 452 00:19:40,940 --> 00:19:42,640 Missouri. You spent about a year. You 453 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,900 come to the end of a year. Because 454 00:19:44,900 --> 00:19:47,180 I know your commitment or your commitment in your 455 00:19:47,180 --> 00:19:49,380 heart was to stay there much longer. But 456 00:19:49,380 --> 00:19:52,280 things happen. You get to the place where, 457 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:53,680 how do you end up in Colorado? Like 458 00:19:53,688 --> 00:19:57,600 what, what, where toward the end there that, that, 459 00:19:57,660 --> 00:19:58,800 what does that look like? How, 460 00:19:59,180 --> 00:20:01,160 because I mean, you're not looking to another big move 461 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,200 at the end of a one big move. So, 462 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,700 how, so how does that get spurred up other than the 463 00:20:06,700 --> 00:20:09,380 circumstances that the circumstances aren't so 464 00:20:09,380 --> 00:20:12,500 important as much as how where you are. Yeah. 465 00:20:12,820 --> 00:20:15,540 I'm so thankful for the way God will confirm 466 00:20:15,540 --> 00:20:17,900 things. So when we left Calvary 467 00:20:17,900 --> 00:20:20,980 Tucson, I had a general mindset of two years for 468 00:20:20,980 --> 00:20:22,840 the young adults ministry. And 469 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,760 then I'm going to see what happens. That 470 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,760 could be I'm the young adult guy for 10 years or 471 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,080 indefinitely, but I'm not going to give it anything 472 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,620 less than two years. God provided a friend of mine 473 00:20:32,620 --> 00:20:35,120 actually came who wanted, we were looking at him to 474 00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:37,320 be the young adults guy before he left town. And 475 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,520 I connected with him. He's like, yeah, I'm going to 476 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,380 come back to town. I'd love to do ministry. Hey, 477 00:20:41,420 --> 00:20:44,200 when you coming back, and it was the exact month 478 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,860 that would be my two year market at, at the young 479 00:20:47,860 --> 00:20:49,640 adults ministry there. Similar 480 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:50,860 thing happened in Missouri. It 481 00:20:50,868 --> 00:20:53,940 was like, I'm not going to consider doing anything else 482 00:20:53,940 --> 00:20:57,420 for a full year. And I want, I want to hear 483 00:20:57,420 --> 00:20:59,840 from God. I want to let things settle 484 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,120 there and just kind of just experience. I 485 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:04,740 didn't even know what, what we were going to 486 00:21:04,740 --> 00:21:07,240 experience. I had very loose expectations. 487 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,600 I had high hopes, but I had 488 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,060 loose expectations. And kind of learning, I think 489 00:21:13,060 --> 00:21:17,100 overall, just like feeling like maybe I wasn't a 490 00:21:17,100 --> 00:21:19,060 great fit for the culture there. And 491 00:21:19,060 --> 00:21:21,240 I had spoken with the pastor there about it as 492 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:22,980 well. And he kind of saw the same 493 00:21:22,980 --> 00:21:25,060 thing. And so I'm just praying through 494 00:21:25,060 --> 00:21:30,000 that. And around the year mark, as 495 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,480 I'm praying through things, my wife asked me, hey, 496 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,660 it's like, you know, what, what is it that you really 497 00:21:34,660 --> 00:21:36,160 want? Like, what are you wanting to 498 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:37,280 do? What do you feel called to do? 499 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:38,700 And I said, well, you know, 500 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,180 God's equipped me in all these different areas 501 00:21:41,180 --> 00:21:43,240 through the years of ministry, but man, I 502 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,800 wouldn't pipe dream. Like I would just love to work 503 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:50,280 with a creative team and write and record and really 504 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,699 just pour into worship. And, 505 00:21:53,699 --> 00:21:57,560 and that was a few weeks later, I got an invitation 506 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:02,160 that was pretty much verbatim what I told my 507 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,200 wife. And so after talking with the 508 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,540 pastor there, it was like, it was clear. Like 509 00:22:07,540 --> 00:22:10,380 this was an opportunity that God was leading, 510 00:22:10,580 --> 00:22:13,080 leading me in. And one more cool thing that 511 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:18,000 the Lord confirmed was I was, as I was starting to 512 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,860 process, okay, another move really, like, do I want to 513 00:22:20,860 --> 00:22:23,720 do this? Am I, and I was recalling the 514 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,260 life of Abraham and how he had gone to Egypt after 515 00:22:27,260 --> 00:22:29,080 getting to the Promised Land. And 516 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,900 so I stopped and I was like, Lord, am I, am I 517 00:22:30,900 --> 00:22:33,280 leaving the Promised Land now to go to Egypt? Like, 518 00:22:33,300 --> 00:22:37,240 is this a temptation that's drawing me out? And 519 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,340 then I remembered, but Abraham went to Hurrayan 520 00:22:40,340 --> 00:22:42,860 before the Promised Land as well. And 521 00:22:42,860 --> 00:22:44,360 so I'm just kind of praying through that. Like, 522 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,360 was this just a place where you wanted me to 523 00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:50,060 learn and then move on to the next thing? Or 524 00:22:50,060 --> 00:22:53,480 am I overshooting? And I need to see, wait and 525 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,720 stay here a little longer. And 526 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,300 I felt like it was the stirring to move forward. 527 00:22:58,380 --> 00:22:59,720 And so when we announced it to 528 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,460 the elders there and in the church in Missouri, one 529 00:23:03,460 --> 00:23:08,040 of the men, one of the elders, he said, you know, 530 00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:11,960 Sean, I just feel like a word for the Lord for you, 531 00:23:12,380 --> 00:23:14,160 something a friend shared with me. His 532 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:19,159 life verse was in Abraham, dwelt in Hurrayan. And 533 00:23:19,159 --> 00:23:22,440 in our pastor there was like, that's a random text. 534 00:23:22,660 --> 00:23:23,620 You want to like expound on 535 00:23:23,620 --> 00:23:25,380 that? And he's like, yeah. So 536 00:23:25,380 --> 00:23:27,540 he's like my friend, he said he never wanted to 537 00:23:27,540 --> 00:23:29,400 stop short of what God had for him. And 538 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,400 so that was his life verse. And 539 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,320 Abraham, dwelt in Hurrayan. And 540 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:34,840 so I just felt like I needed to share that with 541 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,900 you, Sean. I hadn't said a word to him 542 00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:39,300 about that. And I just, I looked at him 543 00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:42,440 and I'm like, thank you for sharing that. And 544 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,400 God just gave me a piece because we honestly, we did 545 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,320 not want to move across the country again. Right. 546 00:23:47,660 --> 00:23:49,200 But it's a big one with God here. Yeah. 547 00:23:49,420 --> 00:23:52,100 God had his hands, his handprints on it. And 548 00:23:52,100 --> 00:23:56,020 the transition out was, was very sweet. The 549 00:23:56,020 --> 00:24:00,400 church in Missouri had a very sweet send off and 550 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,040 we're still connected with them. But 551 00:24:02,048 --> 00:24:06,280 yeah, that was, I'm grateful for that 552 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,180 confirmation. And so what was the church 553 00:24:08,180 --> 00:24:10,620 that invited you out? Oh, it was this church. Oh, 554 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,320 was this church? This church. Was 555 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,000 it me or was it Josh? Was it, am I the one that 556 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,500 gave you that? Yeah. So let me give you that 557 00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:21,400 perspective from our perspective. We're 558 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,740 always knocking on doors here. Not 559 00:24:23,740 --> 00:24:26,320 to disrupt ministry anywhere. That's 560 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,300 not our desire. But we're knocking on doors 561 00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:31,280 with friendships and relationships. And 562 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,880 then we get to these seasons in this church and 563 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,280 we sit back and we think, wouldn't it be great? 564 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:37,720 That's kind of how it starts. 565 00:24:37,940 --> 00:24:39,120 Wouldn't it be great? And 566 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:41,220 then we're like, what would be, you know, wouldn't it 567 00:24:41,220 --> 00:24:43,180 be great to create a team? Like 568 00:24:43,180 --> 00:24:44,620 how the way you just described is very 569 00:24:44,620 --> 00:24:47,440 interesting. But wouldn't it be great to 570 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:52,100 create a team where the environment, you know, even 571 00:24:52,100 --> 00:24:54,040 as we're starting to work on it now, like the 572 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,300 environment could be where there is a cultivation of 573 00:24:58,300 --> 00:25:02,740 music and worship and beauty in that area of 574 00:25:02,740 --> 00:25:05,080 ministry. And then we start asking, we're 575 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,420 like, I think we're ready for this. I 576 00:25:06,420 --> 00:25:08,900 think we can, I think we can knock on some doors 577 00:25:08,900 --> 00:25:12,220 and just see and just like, who knows? Like, 578 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,420 and it's, I like what you said too, like, because 579 00:25:14,420 --> 00:25:17,380 you're in a perspective, because I used to not do 580 00:25:17,380 --> 00:25:19,520 this. I used to not do this. I 581 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:20,780 used to not make that phone call. I 582 00:25:20,780 --> 00:25:21,960 used to not do the text. I 583 00:25:21,968 --> 00:25:24,280 don't know how, when it was, then I changed my 584 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,240 mind. But you just gave me the 585 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,480 reason why I know why God changed my mind, even 586 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,220 though I don't remember exactly when it was. And 587 00:25:30,220 --> 00:25:32,900 that is, there's some guy out there is going, you 588 00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:35,280 know what, Lord, if you want me to do something, 589 00:25:35,460 --> 00:25:37,580 you're going to put it on some on the pastor's heart. 590 00:25:37,860 --> 00:25:38,840 And I'm like, there's things on 591 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,900 my heart all the time. But in the early days, I had, 592 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,720 I had a fear and I don't know if it's real or not 593 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,340 of disrupting a church or like, I have no desire to 594 00:25:48,340 --> 00:25:50,900 take or like pastor sometimes. I 595 00:25:50,900 --> 00:25:53,640 don't want to steal anyone. But 596 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,800 I also don't now, I still have that mindset, but now 597 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,320 I add to that. But I also should ask and let 598 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:03,440 them make the decision. Like, 599 00:26:03,620 --> 00:26:05,920 I'm not, I'm not doing anything because all I am 600 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,260 is asking. I don't know where it's going 601 00:26:07,260 --> 00:26:10,300 to lead, but laying it on the table there and then 602 00:26:10,300 --> 00:26:12,320 finding out. I mean, I don't remember all 603 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,240 the details like the lineup, but you were here 604 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,860 fast, man. Like you guys got out here 605 00:26:16,860 --> 00:26:19,460 pretty quick. You had some things to finish 606 00:26:19,460 --> 00:26:22,380 well and we made that space, but like things were 607 00:26:22,380 --> 00:26:24,000 happening pretty, pretty quickly. And 608 00:26:24,008 --> 00:26:28,400 I asked now. Yeah. Yeah. I 609 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,240 get a lot of no's that way though. And 610 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,880 it wasn't, it was as random as the text was at 611 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,280 the time. Yes. It was prefaced by our 612 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,780 conversation we had before I even left Calvary Tucson. 613 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,120 I remember it. Yeah. 614 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,540 And I had told you and I told you, I said, Hey, I'm 615 00:26:43,540 --> 00:26:45,800 not considering anything for like a full year. But 616 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,840 you remember too. And do you remember what we 617 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,980 said? I think I said it, but maybe 618 00:26:49,980 --> 00:26:51,740 Josh and I were at the table right in front of 619 00:26:51,740 --> 00:26:55,420 the cafe in Tucson. It's like, bro, if we knew you 620 00:26:55,420 --> 00:26:57,380 were praying about leaving, we would have asked you a 621 00:26:57,380 --> 00:27:00,220 year ago. Right. But I think that mindset 622 00:27:00,220 --> 00:27:03,400 too is like, no, like I also feel like, and this 623 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,700 is like a good discussion with the details where I 624 00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:09,900 also sense like I really don't want to manipulate 625 00:27:09,900 --> 00:27:12,040 anything. Yeah. I really don't want to 626 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,180 make anything happen. I don't want to have someone 627 00:27:15,180 --> 00:27:17,540 move here and serve at the church here like on my 628 00:27:17,540 --> 00:27:20,220 word. Because if you're here on my word, 629 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,320 then it's not going to work because the enemy will 630 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,880 throw it at and things will be misunderstood or 631 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,160 because we're human. But if you're here on God's 632 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,560 word, when all those disagreements or this 633 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,180 misunderstandings happen, you know, it's like, no, man, 634 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,920 the Lord has me here. So this is just part of the 635 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,820 package instead of, yeah, come, we're going to make 636 00:27:37,820 --> 00:27:39,060 it. We're going to take good care of 637 00:27:39,060 --> 00:27:40,780 you. Like, no, I don't know what 638 00:27:40,780 --> 00:27:42,420 we're going to do, but we have an opening. Do 639 00:27:42,420 --> 00:27:44,160 you want it? Do you think you and your 640 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,280 wife wants to serve here? And 641 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,040 so it's pretty exciting. So, 642 00:27:47,220 --> 00:27:49,480 you know, you guys listening in, it's like, 643 00:27:49,700 --> 00:27:51,940 it's just the, I wanted to share with Sean some of 644 00:27:51,940 --> 00:27:54,920 the back end, just so you know, it's not one size 645 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,660 fits all when you're taking steps of faith. And 646 00:27:57,660 --> 00:28:00,940 for a brother like Sean, he's all in. I'm 647 00:28:00,940 --> 00:28:04,540 also all in. However, when I moved to Colorado, 648 00:28:04,540 --> 00:28:09,100 it was hard. I was fearful, anxious. I 649 00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:12,260 was, I was here for one week and or maybe two 650 00:28:12,260 --> 00:28:15,420 weeks, one or two weeks. I start my new job. It 651 00:28:15,420 --> 00:28:18,000 is absolutely insane. It was not what they promised 652 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,140 and it was hard. And then going on, like they 653 00:28:22,140 --> 00:28:24,860 think there was already a church planted. And 654 00:28:24,860 --> 00:28:27,180 so I picked up the phone and I called my boss and 655 00:28:27,180 --> 00:28:28,720 I'm like, we're coming back. We're 656 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,460 coming back is my job still open. I 657 00:28:30,460 --> 00:28:32,340 knew it was because it's only two weeks and it 658 00:28:32,340 --> 00:28:34,720 takes a long time to fill that kind of job. And 659 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,980 it is like, hey, Eddie boy, come on back, man. 660 00:28:36,980 --> 00:28:38,020 Your office is still empty and 661 00:28:38,020 --> 00:28:40,620 Marie is in this a rented apartment with a crying 662 00:28:40,620 --> 00:28:44,360 baby in the other room going, hang up the phone. 663 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,100 We are not going back. And 664 00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:49,640 it's like, oh, it was so hard. And 665 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,600 we got through that trial, got through that trial. 666 00:28:51,740 --> 00:28:53,500 Like it was so much warfare 667 00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:57,060 waiting for us here that even though I am all in 668 00:28:57,060 --> 00:29:00,120 and I made the decision, I also was like finding out 669 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,280 I wanted to weigh out. Like, 670 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,600 yeah, like, I don't think this is for me because 671 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,880 there's too much warfare. Well, 672 00:29:06,460 --> 00:29:09,580 pain and disappointment, like we wouldn't step out 673 00:29:09,580 --> 00:29:11,880 into that if we knew how much was there. But 674 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,220 that is it's required. It's almost required for 675 00:29:15,220 --> 00:29:17,420 depending on where you're at and you're matured in 676 00:29:17,420 --> 00:29:19,440 your faith. Like we had to step out into 677 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,940 some kind of disappointment. And 678 00:29:21,940 --> 00:29:25,160 I think I had shared at staff meeting learning, I 679 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,160 think how much hope I had in the ministry role I had 680 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,240 in Tucson, maybe how much identity I had in that to 681 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,540 all of a sudden not have that. I 682 00:29:34,540 --> 00:29:38,100 didn't realize how much I was standing on that shaky 683 00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:41,180 ground and not on the rock of Jesus Christ. And 684 00:29:41,180 --> 00:29:43,320 it's not universal. It's not one size fits all. But 685 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,280 I will say that what is universal is staying in the 686 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,260 Word, staying in prayer and being sensitive, like being 687 00:29:50,260 --> 00:29:53,560 open -handed and having an excitement of what God 688 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,560 might call you into. And God will use the scriptures 689 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,140 to confirm in your life. And 690 00:30:00,140 --> 00:30:01,540 matching that with obedience. I 691 00:30:01,540 --> 00:30:03,960 mean, that's the last Abraham gets the call, but 692 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,640 he had to leave. Like he had to obey. So 693 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,980 thanks for being here. We end another episode of Lead 694 00:30:09,980 --> 00:30:12,020 to Serve. And so appreciate you guys 695 00:30:12,020 --> 00:30:14,600 giving us your feedback, staying in touch with us, 696 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,500 collaborating with us. Again, 697 00:30:16,620 --> 00:30:23,480 you can reach me, text me directly, 720 -608 -0012, 720 698 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:29,340 -608 -0012. You can also email me at ed 699 00:30:29,340 --> 00:30:32,860 at edtaylor .org and be looking for the 700 00:30:32,860 --> 00:30:34,900 collaborative work of worship and what God's 701 00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:36,800 wanting to do. It's a pretty exciting time of 702 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,060 what he wants to take our worship and creative and 703 00:30:40,060 --> 00:30:42,920 music ministry, just everything about it. We 704 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,820 don't even know yet. It's very exciting. So 705 00:30:44,820 --> 00:30:47,440 pray for Sean and Angela and the team and pray for 706 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,400 yourself. Taking a step of faith. I 707 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,800 wonder how many people are listening right now that 708 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,960 God's brought you to a place of faith and all 709 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,980 that's required is obedience. And 710 00:30:56,980 --> 00:30:58,400 here's Pastor Sean's story. He's 711 00:30:58,408 --> 00:31:00,640 like, okay, let's go for it, honey, and just step 712 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:01,800 out. Let us know. We'd 713 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,080 love to hear your stories. Until 714 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,700 next time, God bless you and stay close to the 715 00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:29,540 Lord. Thank 716 00:31:29,540 --> 00:31:32,140 you for joining us and we'll see you next time 717 00:31:32,140 --> 00:31:34,360 right here on the Lead to Serve podcast.