1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,320 Here's Ed Taylor with today's episode of Lead to Serve, a 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:13,000 leadership podcast. Hey, welcome again to another 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,440 edition of the Lead to Serve podcast. 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,560 My name is Ed Taylor and I am the pastor here at Calvary 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:23,120 Church in Aurora, Co. We're so grateful to provide for 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,800 you this podcast. Just really open discussions 7 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,640 about life and ministry, knowing that the better that we learn 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,480 how to serve, the better leaders will become. 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:39,040 Today's a special edition of Lead to Serve because I had the 10 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:45,080 privilege recently on our live radio program here in Denver to 11 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,680 interview Joel Rosenberg. And many of you know Joel 12 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,400 Rosenberg. He is a prolific author, a 13 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:57,240 prophecy expert, Bible teacher. He's got like over 5 million 14 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,200 books in print. He just started a brand new news 15 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,959 agency in Israel to give us true, accurate reports of what's 16 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,880 going on in Israel from an evangelical perspective. 17 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:12,960 It's called All israel.com and he also for 18 years is 18 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:17,640 providing humanitarian relief to Israel and surrounding areas, 19 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,920 not not only Israel, but through the Joshua Fund. 20 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,920 At any rate, I want to share with you on the podcast because 21 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,320 of what happened in Israel on October 7th, just to hear his 22 00:01:27,320 --> 00:01:30,080 perspective. We had a fine conversation. 23 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,040 I love Joel, He's a good friend of the ministry here and all 24 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,080 that the Rosenbergs have brought into our lives. 25 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:40,160 So enjoy this episode. I know it will bless you. 26 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,320 October 7th changed the world. Let's start there. 27 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,000 Well, certainly changed Israel, and it has. 28 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,480 It is changing the Middle East and it it has changed the world 29 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,280 in at the moment what we're seeing mostly negative effects. 30 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:02,760 When when more than 3000 Hamas terrorists invaded Israel on 31 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,760 October 7th, it was a Saturday morning. 32 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,720 It was a it was a so it was a Shabbat, it was a Sabbath for us 33 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,360 in Israel. The whole country slows down and 34 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,400 does almost nothing, even for people who are not religious. 35 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,640 It's a quiet day in Israel and we only get one. 36 00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:20,560 You don't get a whole full weekend like in America. 37 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,560 And it was also a religious holiday, Simchat Torah, which is 38 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:29,280 a Jewish holiday that celebrates called the Joy of the Torah 39 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,440 really. And it's celebrates and 40 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,160 commemorates when God gave Moses the 10 commandments and the 41 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,800 first five books of the Bible. So it should have been a joyful 42 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,400 day and people were sleeping in and just you know enjoying a 43 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:49,160 quiet morning and and then sirens rocket sirens indicating 44 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,720 that you know inbound missiles are coming And then we started 45 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:58,280 hearing and and eight rounds of missiles at at Jerusalem where I 46 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:03,600 live my wife and I and our sons we so that we almost never have 47 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:08,240 rockets or missiles fired at at Jerusalem and so that was a 48 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,600 bizarre experience that's what we woke up to and just kept 49 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,160 happening and happening. You, you, you're sitting in your 50 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,200 bomb shelter and you're turning on the news and then you're 51 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,320 seeing this this crazy like we've never. 52 00:03:18,640 --> 00:03:20,640 We've been through a lot of rocket wars over there, Ed. 53 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:25,760 But and I've been travelling to Israel for 35 years and I, you 54 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,200 know we've been citizens there and living there. 55 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,360 Pretend we've never seen anything like this. 56 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,120 This was an invasion. There were people being 57 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,440 butchered in their in their own bedrooms, in their own homes, 58 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:43,920 Jews burned alive in their houses, mother shot to death in 59 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,680 front of their children, children beheaded and brutally, 60 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,440 you know, just tortured in front of their parents. 61 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,800 Holocaust survivors riddled with machine guns, people killed with 62 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,600 axes. I don't even want to tell you 63 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:03,200 but but so that's what Israel was, was, was it was a sneak 64 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:04,080 attack. Yeah. 65 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,400 And it happened to be on the 50th anniversary of the biggest 66 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:12,040 sneak attack in Israel's modern history, the Yom Kippur War of 67 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:17,079 1973, when Syria and Egypt invaded on our highest holy day 68 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,880 of our calendar, where literally nobody does anything. 69 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,440 There's not even a car on the road. 70 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,680 There's nobody watches television because there's 71 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,000 nothing on. It's just totally dead silence. 72 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,480 And it's a day of prayer and and you know for Jews who don't know 73 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:35,160 that Jesus is the Messiah who's already come to give the only 74 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:39,520 sacrifice that we need. This is a day of asking God to 75 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,080 pleading with begging with God to give atonement for our sins. 76 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,720 It just my team doesn't know that the Messiah has already 77 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,800 done this. I mean this is so we were 78 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,400 actually marking the 50th anniversary of the worst attack 79 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,400 ever and then this happened. But it has smoked out Ed in the 80 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,520 world anti-Semitism like we haven't seen since the 1930s 81 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,120 forties. And we've seen world governments 82 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,600 turn against Israel and condemn us in the United Nations every 83 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,760 chance they get. We've seen college campuses all 84 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,560 across the United States, thousands of students turning 85 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,680 out on the side of Hamas and against Israel. 86 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:24,800 The world court has us on trial. The South African government put 87 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:29,200 Israel on trial claiming that we're committing genocide in a 88 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:33,040 war of self-defense. So the world has gone, you know, 89 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,760 to to fight Superman. We're in the bizarre world where 90 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,760 where light is dark, day is night, up is down, black is 91 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,840 white, everything is on its head. 92 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,680 And we can talk in a moment and I'll certainly talk this weekend 93 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,440 about for the prophetic implications of all this. 94 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:56,040 But we're in a moment where I think God is really he's 95 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,560 watching to see which side people are on. 96 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,320 This is this comes out of right out of Matthew chapter 25 and 97 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,640 and and we're seeing which countries are cheap countries 98 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,440 and which country are goat countries though we can get into 99 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,880 that a little bit. I'm a bit of a monologue here, 100 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:13,160 so that's OK. We want to hear it. 101 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,600 I mean here, you know, here at Calvary, our commitment to the 102 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,760 to the word is a commitment to the God of the word, which is a 103 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,400 commitment to the people of the God of the Word, our Jewish 104 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,840 friends in Israel. And you know for years now, 105 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:29,120 coming up on 25 years, I've taught our church to look to 106 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:33,040 Israel like you've taught us. Look to the epicenter. 107 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,240 Jerusalem may eyes on Israel at the epicenter. 108 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,040 The unfolding of God's prophetic events. 109 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,000 I love taking groups there. I love visiting there. 110 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,400 I love serving there. We've we've got quite a big 111 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,040 relationship with Israel and we're grateful for that. 112 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:56,080 And now this wave of anti-Semitism, I mean, right 113 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,840 when it happened. You remember way back, way back 114 00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:03,480 toward the beginning, There was that large gathering in London, 115 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:09,200 300,000 people gathered in London declaring the disease of 116 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:15,320 Zionism needs to be eradicated. And we know racism is evil at 117 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:19,920 its core, But man's hatred toward Israel has a demonic root 118 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,880 to it, this anti-Semitism. It certainly does. 119 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:29,240 And I and I think I'm, I'm even, you know, anti-Semitism is the 120 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,760 right technical word. But I'm starting to use just the 121 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,040 word Jew hatred because it really cuts through to what it 122 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:36,680 really is. But where does that come from? 123 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:42,480 And you know, the verse that I find the most helpful for people 124 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,120 is a verse that you might not expect me. 125 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,920 You might, but most people wouldn't think of it in this 126 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,720 context. John 1010 Now in John 1010. 127 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,880 So now we're talking the New Testament, the Gospel of John 128 00:07:55,520 --> 00:08:00,160 and and Jesus is speaking about Satan and he describes Satan as 129 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,520 a thief. Right. 130 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:06,360 And he says the thief comes to rob, kill and destroy. 131 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:08,400 But then he speaks about himself. 132 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,000 Jesus does. He says, but I can that they may 133 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,320 have life and have it abundantly. 134 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,520 Now in that one verse you get so much rich theology. 135 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,760 What you learn is that that Satan is the exact polar 136 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,880 opposite of Jesus. They're not equals, but they are 137 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:28,680 opposites and and so everything that God wants, everything that 138 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:34,039 God loves, everything that God says that that Jesus says Jesus 139 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:37,799 is God. Satan is 100 percent 180°. 140 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,440 Again, he's it's like a photographic negative. 141 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,200 Satan's against everything that Jesus is for. 142 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:48,480 So, right. So it so when you apply that to 143 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,920 them, to what God has said about the Jewish people in the Old 144 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,000 Testament, right? Starting from Genesis 12 and 145 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:59,040 going forward, what we realize is if God has said and he has, 146 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,320 that he has chosen the Jews, Jewish people to bless us. 147 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,920 Now we understand that Satan has chosen the Jewish people to 148 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,600 curse us. When we see the scriptures that 149 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,160 tell us that God has said I'm going to give the Jewish people 150 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:17,200 a land, the land of Israel, the promised Land, we can now 151 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,600 understand that Satan says, yeah, I'm going to come and take 152 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,480 it away. When God says I'm going to make 153 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:27,640 Jerusalem a city of peace, we understand now that Satan comes 154 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,840 to say it, fine, I'll make it a city of bloodshed. 155 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,360 When God says I'm going to take the Temple Mount the the, the, 156 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,120 the Mountain Zion right in the the absolute center of the world 157 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:39,720 right in the middle of Jerusalem. 158 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:44,600 When God says I'm going to make that spot holy to my name and 159 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,800 that's where I'm going to put the temple, the 1st and the 2nd 160 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:51,200 and the 3rd and the 4th, Satan says fine that's that's the 161 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,920 place that I'll desecrate. Because everything that God says 162 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,160 I'm going to do, I'm going to blast, I'm going to give. 163 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,560 Satan says I'm going to I'm going to rob and kill and 164 00:09:59,560 --> 00:10:03,040 destroy. And so Satan has hated Jews 165 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:07,440 uniquely because God loves us. What in the world is happening? 166 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:13,040 Why is Israel at war again? And and how can Christians not 167 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,560 only stand with Israel? Absolutely that's critical. 168 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,320 But how do we show compassion for our Palestinian neighbors 169 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,440 who are suffering? That's it's really critical to 170 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,760 me, biblically, that we bless Israel and her neighbors. 171 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:31,200 That we not just say just because God loves Israel doesn't 172 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,280 mean he only loves Israel. And yes, God makes it very clear 173 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,960 that he has a very special and unique love for Israel and the 174 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,000 Jewish people. But that but but John 316 still 175 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,400 rules. For God so loved the world, all 176 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,680 people, And that he gave his only Son Jesus, that whoever 177 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,280 would believe in him. And Jesus as our Messiah, as our 178 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,120 only way of salvation, his death, and on the cross his 179 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:00,200 resurrection from the dead shall not perish, die, and go to hell 180 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,920 forever and ever and ever, with no way of escape, but shall have 181 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,880 eternal life. And, you know, Jesus commands us 182 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,640 to love our neighbors. And you say, well, Joel, the 183 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,400 Palestinians of Gaza, they're not your neighbors. 184 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,360 They're your enemy. Well, OK, so many of them are. 185 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,920 But Jesus commands us to love our enemies. 186 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,240 People are like, oh, come on, look, that covers everybody. 187 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,400 Yes, it covers everybody. And unless you're filled with 188 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,680 the Holy Spirit and really trying to follow the word of God 189 00:11:26,680 --> 00:11:31,000 by his Spirit's help, there's no way to love your neighbor, much 190 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,920 less your enemy. Most people have trouble loving 191 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,640 their own families. So how do you love Palestinians? 192 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,400 How do you. It's very important and and 193 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,600 maybe we can talk about a little bit today, but it is it's 194 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,000 important for Christians to hear the whole gospel, right? 195 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,800 And and I It's very important to me to, even though I am an 196 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,440 Israeli, but because I'm an Israeli and a follower of Jesus 197 00:11:54,440 --> 00:12:00,000 and Jewish, to be biblically whole on this, biblically fair 198 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,160 and accurate. And that means that I have to 199 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:07,160 lean in and ask the Lord show me how to love my palace and 200 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,200 neighbors, especially in wartime. 201 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:15,080 You went into Gaza recently? I did so. 202 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,480 That sounds about like the craziest, most insane thing a 203 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,320 person could do. And yes, it probably is. 204 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:25,720 But I was invited after being after asking for two months, I 205 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,160 was like a widow knocking on the door. 206 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:31,320 Please let me in, I asked the IDF Chiefs Spokesman's office. 207 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,360 Look, you're taking Fox News in. You're taking some other 208 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,840 reporters in. You know, I run a new site, all 209 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:42,160 initial news, one of the leading emerging sites for even juggles 210 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,840 about Israel because it's run by Israeli believers in Jesus from 211 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,680 Israel. But I also have this this 212 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:53,040 Thursday night, 9:00 PM Eastern Eastern from 9 PMI. 213 00:12:54,680 --> 00:12:55,720 Guess it's delayed it. No, here. 214 00:12:55,720 --> 00:13:01,360 It's I think 7:00 PM here in Denver program on TBN called the 215 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,800 Rosenberg Report. And it's the only literally 216 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:09,160 after 75 years of Israel in the modern era, and it's just the 217 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:14,640 only primetime television news show made in Israel about Israel 218 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,640 in the region. And how is that possible that 219 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,840 there's no other shows like that on all American television, But 220 00:13:20,560 --> 00:13:23,600 that was under because I do both those two things. 221 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,400 I asked the ID asked the Israeli Defense Forces. 222 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,800 Listen, I want to go in and I want to report. 223 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,280 I want to bring a film crew. And it took them two months to 224 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,360 say yes, but I guess they thought I was crazy enough to 225 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,160 say to really do it. And so they called me up around 226 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,320 9:00 PM on a Saturday and said, we're going in it. 227 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,400 If you can go in at 6:00 AM tomorrow, you have to bring your 228 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,480 own bulletproof vest and your own helmet. 229 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:51,960 But we'll take you in to the hottest war zone in the region, 230 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,760 and that's what we did. Not just me, but Chris Mitchell, 231 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,280 the CBN News Bureau chief in Jerusalem. 232 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,240 And wow, I've been to Afghanistan and I've been to 233 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,000 Iraq four times during the war, but I've never been into 234 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:10,160 anything like this. What was your first initial 235 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:11,880 reaction? How? 236 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:13,480 How did you handle what you were seeing? 237 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,320 Well, we you get into an armored personnel carrier. 238 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,960 And we were in a convoy with General, who's in charge of 239 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,800 fighting and winning in this, this section, which has a city 240 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,720 called Con Yunus, which for the last 2 1/2 months has been the 241 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,400 site of the most intense fighting. 242 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,320 So they take us right to the center of the city, and when you 243 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,240 get out, you can hear machine gunfire everywhere. 244 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,240 Now, we were in a little cul-de-sac. 245 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,880 We were very well protected by, you know, very heavily armed 246 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,000 soldiers. And we're with the general who 247 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:52,040 runs the 98th Division. But, you know, you can hear 248 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:56,320 machine gunfire everywhere and and you can hear bombs exploding 249 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,520 all around you. And and then he starts giving 250 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,640 you a briefing and nobody's ducking down, nobody's hiding 251 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,240 behind anything. So you're thinking, well, he 252 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,000 thinks it's safe. So, you know, the camera is 253 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,160 rolling and so we. But what? 254 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,760 But that alone would have been like chilling. 255 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,200 It's just experience, that hidden briefing us right in the 256 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,080 middle of that firefight, which must have been just a couple 257 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,640 blocks away. I mean, we weren't, we weren't 258 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,960 in it, but it it felt like we were in it. 259 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:29,680 But what was Crazy Ed was they decided they were taking us into 260 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:35,520 a newly discovered maze of terror tunnels underneath the 261 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,600 city. And no one had, No reporters had 262 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,120 ever been in there. They had just found these and 263 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,400 killed or you know, drove out all the Hamas terrorists inside 264 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:49,040 there and it was safe. So they said and so they're 265 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,840 like, we're going in and we're going to show you what this 266 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:56,280 thing is like 75 feet. You go down underneath the 267 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:01,520 center of the city and it's hot and it's humid and it's dark and 268 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,200 it's very narrow. And even though I'm short, I'm 269 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:08,840 still ducking down and you're just going and and and you're 270 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,640 going and you're going. And there was only like 6 or 271 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,800 seven other reporters and then they had a few, you know, hammer 272 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,760 crews with them. But what what we've discovered, 273 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,960 what they showed us was we're taking you into the newest 274 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,280 tunnels we found. And the reason these are 275 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:27,800 significant is because we've discovered cages, cages where 276 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:32,960 Israeli hostages have been held. And we have DNA, We have other 277 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,680 evidence that they were in these cages. 278 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:39,320 And then if that weren't creepy enough, we're going to take you 279 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:44,840 into the actual layer, the headquarters of the top senior 280 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,120 Hamas terrorist leadership, Because we can't. 281 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,240 We know that they were in there and we're going to show you why 282 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,800 we know and we're going to show you how they live in. 283 00:16:54,000 --> 00:17:00,800 And it was astonishing. I, I, I to be in a place that is 284 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,040 that was sheer evil, right? We're such wickedness. 285 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:09,520 It was done it it it's hard to it's hard to describe. 286 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,119 And we did a whole hour long special on the Rosenberg report 287 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,319 which people can find at Rosenberg report dot EV 288 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,520 rosenbergreport.tv. And you go and you do need to 289 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,119 put your e-mail in to sign up for, but it's free. 290 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,359 And then you can, you can go, go back and see the different shows 291 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,440 that we've been doing, including that one. 292 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,000 But the thing that was most powerful, even though that was 293 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:37,520 so evil, it was so powerful, was Chris and I decided let's pray 294 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,080 in these tunnels, let's let's pray inside the cages. 295 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:42,480 Yeah. We were respectful. 296 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,920 We listened to the briefings. We we, we asked a lot of 297 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:49,560 questions our our fellow reporters from NBC News and and 298 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,280 in other networks, you know, we're asking lots of great 299 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,600 questions also. But when there was a moment to 300 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,040 be alone, we just bowed our heads and started praying, 301 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,160 praying for the hostages, for their release, for the capture 302 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:08,600 or killing if necessary, of the Hamas leadership, and for the 303 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:14,480 liberation of Gaza, not from Israel, but from the reign of 304 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,680 terror of Hamas. And when we were done, when we 305 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:24,480 came out, after several hours, we, my my colleague Chris 306 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,440 Mitchell turns to me. And he says he sort of 307 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,320 conspiratorially almost, But he's like, hey, before we have 308 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:34,120 to go back, you know, to civilization, You want to take 309 00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:36,400 communion? I was shocked. 310 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,640 It hadn't even occurred to me to bring elements to take the 311 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,680 Lord's Supper, But he had thought of it. 312 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,040 And so we took communion. He brought crackers. 313 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,360 He brought grape juice. We bowed our heads. 314 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:52,800 And we pray that the Lord would break the stronghold of Satan 315 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,840 who has come to rob, kill and destroy all the Palestinian 316 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,040 people as well as Israel. And we pray the Lord would 317 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:06,240 redeem this, this, this bloodied, desecrated strip of 318 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:11,280 land and and not just set the captives free literally. 319 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,520 I mean we that we did pray that out of Psalm 61 or yeah, I'm 320 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,840 sorry, Isaiah 61 set the captives free, Lord, please. 321 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:24,200 But also set the Palestinians and Israelis free out of their 322 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:29,200 spiritual bondage to Satan, free to know Jesus is the Messiah and 323 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,080 let them know life and know it abundantly right out of John 324 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,360 1010. It was a it was one of the most 325 00:19:34,360 --> 00:19:37,560 powerful moments I've ever experienced spiritually in my 326 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:42,920 life. So you you you took the time to 327 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,720 go into harm's way see it first hand. 328 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,840 You, I'm sure I I know I've been in a lot of places around the 329 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,880 world where you actually feel the evil. 330 00:19:52,120 --> 00:19:55,000 You don't just see it. You feel the atmosphere of 331 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,760 darkness and everything pressing in. 332 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:02,360 And I know that I kind of jumped to Gaza first, but I think also 333 00:20:02,360 --> 00:20:04,760 what what listeners would want to hear. 334 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,680 And we've got about 15 minutes. So I'm going to fit a couple 335 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,280 things in the. 15 minutes we have You've spoken to some 336 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,440 Israeli hostage families. How? 337 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,720 How is that? How are they? 338 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:22,320 How are those discussions? What is the climate right now 339 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:27,880 generally of Israel, Israelis living their life every day. 340 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:32,120 Like walk us through for a few minutes, your perspective on 341 00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:34,080 that. Sure. 342 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:39,760 Well, as you started out the whole segment, the world has 343 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:45,040 changed, Israel has changed. And so the first few months were 344 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:50,680 sheer grief, shock, anger, and and of course, suddenly we were 345 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:55,200 at war. 400,000 Israelis called up to reserves. 346 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,440 Israel is not a large enough country as you know, Ed, to 347 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,240 maintain a regular army of, you know, hundreds of thousands of 348 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,520 people. So we we only have 10s of 349 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,040 thousands of people on duty any given moment. 350 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,400 And then everybody else is, you know, a plumber, a dentist, a 351 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,240 fireman, you know, an accountant, a teacher. 352 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,240 And they get a call and they, they rushed to their base suit 353 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,160 up and suddenly they're at war. And that's what happened on 354 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,360 October 7th. And so we were dealing with all 355 00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:30,800 that grief and and and and anger and shock and dislocation. 356 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:35,920 Every, every husband of the women in my wife's Bible study, 357 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,680 her discipleship group, all but one of them were called up. 358 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:44,800 And we're suddenly at war either inside Gaza or in Judea and 359 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,720 Samaria, what the world calls the West Bank. 360 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,320 So you're dealing not just with your own grief and shock and 361 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,800 rockets coming in all the time. More than 13,000 rockets in the 362 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,400 first month and 1/2 or so. This was crazy. 363 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,120 But you're also dealing with friends who are now moms who are 364 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:04,040 raising children by themselves as they don't know where their 365 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:05,400 husband is. They can't. 366 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,680 They have no contact with them and they don't know if they're 367 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,200 coming home. And these are believers. 368 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,960 And then you think of your of your unbelieving friend and and 369 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,760 most of my crew at TBN, this is the TV crew, most of them don't 370 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,520 know the Lord because there's not that many believers in the 371 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,400 country and they don't know television. 372 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:28,520 So you got to hire good people. And so half my crew was gone. 373 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,760 My producer is actually in Israeli base in New York City. 374 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:38,960 She was called up that day, was told to get on a plane and the 375 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,960 next day she became the spokeswoman for the Prime 376 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,160 Minister of Israel. Like. 377 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:51,400 So everything was changing at every level, but then, so that's 378 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,160 a little bit of the of the feeling of of what we've been 379 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,640 dealing with. It was another part to your 380 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,280 question, but but how are Israelis going through every of 381 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,440 the hostages? Well, the hostages are on our 382 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:07,080 hearts with such grief because at the beginning there were 240. 383 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:12,280 Now there was a release of over 100 of them in November. 384 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,720 That was a miracle by itself because Hamas was had come in 385 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:22,360 beheading babies, you know, as I said, slaughtering people in the 386 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:25,080 most, this was demon possessed people. 387 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,400 They literally the videos of them, which some of them are 388 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,560 public. A lot of most of it is not 389 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,360 public. I've seen classified versions, 390 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,400 people chopping each other's heads off. 391 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,040 It is unbelievable. And they're all cheering and 392 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,480 they're always saying Allah Akbar, Allah Akbar. 393 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,560 They're praising their God as radical Islamist while they're 394 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,360 doing the most horrific behaviors. 395 00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:53,720 I don't even want to describe on Christian radio raping people. 396 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,640 I mean just and and so this is demon possession. 397 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,360 So you're watching this with your real life and we're living 398 00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:01,600 through this now. The hostages, we thought they 399 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,440 would kill them all like on YouTube, on live, you know, 400 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,400 YouTube broadcast like ISIS did. But they didn't. 401 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,640 You know, and not to their credit. 402 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,240 But I mean, I think God mobilized millions, 10s of 403 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,120 millions of Christians all over the world to pray for these 404 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:21,360 hostages, even if they didn't know what else to do, pray. 405 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,520 And I I really didn't think they, Hamas, would let any of 406 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,840 them out. So over 100 were let out in a 407 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:34,840 deal struck in November, but there are still 134. 408 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,320 There was 136 till about two weeks ago when an Israeli 409 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,520 special forces operation identified and rescued two of 410 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,160 them, which was pretty dramatic and gave us a lot of hope. 411 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,560 But there's still 134. I have been interviewing, 412 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,400 visiting with, interviewing these hostage families. 413 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,160 I'll give you one example. Her name is Ofree Bibas. 414 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:06,760 BIBAS Ofree Beavis. Her brother-in-law and his wife, 415 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:10,720 as basically her in laws were taken hostage. 416 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,360 Well the brother was sorry was brother-in-law was killed 417 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:20,720 murdered and then the wife and two babies were taken hostage. 418 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,920 Babies. One of them's like three years 419 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,120 old. So a toddler maybe and but one 420 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:30,760 was nine months old. And his name is Kafir Bebis. 421 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,160 That little boy, He's the youngest hostage, the both of 422 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,880 them brothers, red headed just the most adorable children you 423 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,040 can possibly imagine. And they are in these tunnels 424 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,680 and. And and it's now I think we're 425 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,880 at 145 day. You know, I was in those 426 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,440 tunnels. You can barely breathe. 427 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,840 There's no fresh air And and these people are. 428 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,680 So we only we don't know what's happened to them, but we know 429 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,160 that they're in terrible jeopardy. 430 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:07,240 Israel is negotiating, but Hamas is demanding full surrender by 431 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,680 Israel. Full removal of all troops from 432 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,360 Gaza and letting Hamas come back to power. 433 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:14,200 Well, that's not going to happen. 434 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,720 So there's a real tension. Just to wrap this part up, 435 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,120 there's a real tension in the society right now. 436 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,760 On the one hand, we've got to defeat Hamas. 437 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,600 We have to, because otherwise this will happen again and we 438 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,480 can never let it happen again, which shouldn't have happened 439 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,360 now. And it was, it was, it was a 440 00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:35,280 terrible, massive systemic failure of the Israeli 441 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,920 government, Israeli military, Israeli intelligence. 442 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,640 It's just a disaster that this could have happened and we 443 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,000 weren't protected. So we have to win. 444 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:51,760 But we we want those hostages back and and and and Hamas is 445 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,920 giving us the the choice you can surrender and we'll give them 446 00:26:54,920 --> 00:27:01,200 all back or we won't or or they'll all die and and so that 447 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,400 is creating tremendous tensions inside and in and and grief upon 448 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,000 grief is how I would put it inside Israel. 449 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,800 Grief upon grief is the worst and you have the tension and you 450 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,400 have the uncertainty and you have the separation. 451 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,360 It's just a mixture of, I mean really what terrorists desire. 452 00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:23,240 They want terror, they want fear, they want uncertainty. 453 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,840 They want, as you would mentioning from John 1010, they 454 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,280 want death. Well, we only have a few minutes 455 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,400 left and I have a article in my hand that I think is pretty 456 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,400 relevant for the rest of our time. 457 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,240 And by the way on the air right now, if you're just joining us, 458 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,800 Joel Rosenberg is on with us live. 459 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,680 We're talking about all things related to Israel October 7th. 460 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:56,200 Joel has started a brand new, very popular, very accurate 461 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,160 website calledallisrael.com All israel.com. 462 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,320 He also has on Thursday nights here in Denver, but you can look 463 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,120 it up in your local listings or you can Google it for the 464 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:14,360 Rosenberg report. Rosenberg is Rosenberg Rosenberg 465 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,600 ergreport.com and he's on TBN every Thursday. 466 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,880 I just got a text real quick. Somebody texted in. 467 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,440 I just want to read it to you. Joel, let me pull it back up, 468 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,520 she says. I follow Joel Rosenberg. 469 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,480 He's such an important link to the truth for me, especially on 470 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,800 Thursdays TV. And thank you Joel, for coming 471 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,480 and for everything that you do. So there you go. 472 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,120 Well, that's very kind. I appreciate it. 473 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,200 And we'll talk about Hope on on Saturday night and Sunday 474 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,880 morning because what we haven't gotten to is this is shaking 475 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,400 Israel so badly, people are starting to ask, maybe there is 476 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,480 a God, Is there a God? How do we know God? 477 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:01,280 This is a big development going on spiritually that's very 478 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,920 positive in Israel. So I don't want to leave 479 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,520 everybody like, wow, I don't want to hear that. 480 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,800 That's the most depressing hour I've ever listened on Ed's show. 481 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,560 But you know, maybe you know what's? 482 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,880 Valuable Joe, though, is is this. 483 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,840 What's valuable for what you're sharing? 484 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,920 Is there? There aren't really any sources 485 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,800 for the type of information like like for me if I if I want to 486 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,280 ask a question I can text you, I can read all those real news. 487 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,600 I have friends that are in Israel. 488 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,640 We have a lot of connections there that I'm able to get 489 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,040 information and share it. But with this first hand report, 490 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,360 you know when if they are watching any sort of news or 491 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,560 even local news. I mean, even the local news is 492 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:45,320 twisting everything away from the atrocity. 493 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,280 I mean even local governments here. 494 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,320 And again, we only have a short amount of time. 495 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,080 So I want to set that aside, but I appreciate the topic of hope 496 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,040 coming. Joel will be here at Calvary 497 00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:00,000 this weekend, March 2nd and 3rd Saturday night. 498 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,040 We have service 6:00 PM Sunday morning. 499 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,040 Just go to our website Calvary Co dot church. 500 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,320 But you wrote an article. I have it in my hand December 501 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,640 31st, heading into 20246 biblical truths that 502 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,560 evangelicals need to embrace when it comes to Israel and the 503 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,280 Arab Muslim world. We have about 5 minutes and I'm 504 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,000 wondering if if would you like me to read them by a reminder 505 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,600 for you, Joel. OK, so one was evangelical 506 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,880 followers are called to love Israel and her neighbors, not 507 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,280 just one or the other. Called to be peacemakers. 508 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,840 Called to oppose injustice. Care for those who are 509 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,120 suffering. Strengthen our Gentile, 510 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,760 Christian and Messianic Jewish brothers and sisters. 511 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,200 Providing financial support when the Lord directs. 512 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,920 Make sure that everyone everywhere has the opportunity 513 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,400 to at least hear the gospel of Jesus Christ and understand it. 514 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,720 And then finally to never stop praying. 515 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,280 I I'm, I would ask you to speak to let's let's end with 516 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,160 strengthening our Gentile, Messianic Jewish brothers 517 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,000 providing financial support. People listening in right now, 518 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,520 how can they participate in the financial support part of this? 519 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:19,000 Joel, well, I appreciate that. And so 18 years ago, my wife, 520 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,880 Lynn, and I started a ministry. God called us to do it, and it's 521 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,200 called the Joshua Fund, the Joshua Fund. 522 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,000 People can learn about it at joshuafund.com. 523 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,480 Again, joshuafund.com. Now what does it do? 524 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,480 Well, it's a fund, right? So. 525 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,280 So think of it like a mutual fund rather than pick your own 526 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:38,720 stocks. Maybe you think I don't know how 527 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:39,680 to fix stocks. I don't know. 528 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,440 But and or you thought, well, I want to I want to help a 529 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,640 ministry in Israel, but I don't know any ministries in Israel. 530 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,320 Yeah, I was on a tour once and we met some interesting people, 531 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,200 but I don't know who they are. I don't know if their theology 532 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,880 is healthy. I don't know if they're, if they 533 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,880 deal with their money, what they say they're going to do, if I 534 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,400 gave them $25 or $100 or whatever. 535 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,720 I I I, I don't, I don't know. OK, then don't pick your own 536 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,480 stocks and don't pick your own ministries. 537 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,000 The Joshua Fund, basically, you could give $25, you give 538 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,960 $25,000. But we have a team, and we've 539 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,440 been doing it for 18 years, who are the believers, Have a lot of 540 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,400 coffee with them. And I, I joked that our number 541 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,280 one line item in our budget is coffee and baklava, right? 542 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,240 Because you're basically building relationships with 543 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:29,520 Arab, Palestinian, Jewish, messianic, evangelical people 544 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,480 all over the country and getting a sense, All right, Lord, what 545 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,960 are their needs and do you, are you asking the Josh Fund to 546 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,880 help? And so if so, how much 547 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,640 humanitarian relief, discipleship, Bible colleges, 548 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,320 Bible distribution, evangelism training, what pastor 549 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,080 encouragement and refreshment, expository teaching, How do you 550 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,160 do it? All these different things. 551 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,120 And that's what the Josh Funds funds and humanitarian relief of 552 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,680 course, is a huge one, especially now, but over the 553 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,280 last 18 years. Ed we I'm just. 554 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,160 I'm blown away by this. God has brought in more than 555 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,880 $100 million through the Joshua fund all at like 1015. 556 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:13,720 Twenty $25 usually. And that's and we have learned 557 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,360 to be good stewards, to invest in the local believers. 558 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,000 Yes to be a blessing to unbelievers. 559 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,160 But you start by strengthening the core, right, strengthening 560 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,160 what remains, Jesus says in in one of the letters in 561 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,840 Revelation. And so that's what we do. 562 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,120 And there's no, there's no Joshua Fund logo on our truck 563 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,880 that delivers food or on the bags of food. 564 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,880 All of it is delivered through the local messianic and 565 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,120 evangelical congregations. They're the local believers. 566 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,280 They know the language, They know the culture. 567 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,920 So they are the ones with the relationships. 568 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,560 We don't want to be a brand in Israel. 569 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,440 We're behind the scenes to help our brothers and sisters and 570 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,680 that's what the Joshua Fund does, as well as educate 571 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,200 Christians all over the world what is going on in Israel and 572 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,560 the regions and how should we be helping. 573 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,199 That's mostly my side of it. And so I've been doing, I'm the 574 00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:12,400 one doing the educating of the church through all these 575 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,719 different ways. And my wife and my sons and and 576 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,560 our our team, Thank God, the great team. 577 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,440 They're the ones every day on the ground serving Israelis and 578 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,280 Palestinians in the name of Jesus. 579 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,080 Hey, thanks again for listening to today's episode. 580 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,239 It was a special one. I hope you were encouraged. 581 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,239 We didn't because of the limitation of the radio program, 582 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,320 we didn't have a lot of time, but the time that we did have 583 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,440 was very fruitful. If you want more information on 584 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,560 the ministry of Joel Rosenberg, you can go to his website, 585 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:51,600 allisrael.com. All israel.com or joshuafund.com 586 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,239 or e-mail us. We can connect you with him on 587 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,600 all that God is doing, but appreciate your feedback, your 588 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,200 reviews. Share this podcast, it helps 589 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,360 with the algorithm and then TuneIn. 590 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,360 We'll get back into other topics next time. 591 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,080 Thank you for joining us for this episode of Lead to Serve 592 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,440 with Pastor Ed Taylor, a leadership podcast from Calvary 593 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,240 Church in Aurora, Co. If you have a leadership 594 00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:18,760 question you want to hear answered on a future Lead to 595 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,880 Serve podcast, please e-mail it to Pastor Ed at Calvary, Co dot 596 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,960 Church. 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