1 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,520 This is lead to Serve with Ed Taylor, a leadership podcast. 2 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,760 Welcome to another edition of the Lead to Serve podcast with 3 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:19,560 Pastor Ed Taylor. In studio With me today for 4 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,920 another edition is Pastor Bob Klaycamp. 5 00:00:23,240 --> 00:00:25,640 Welcome again, Pastor Bob. Great to be here. 6 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,720 How are your prayer walks going? They're going good as long as 7 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,240 it's sunny. As long as it's. 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:31,640 Sunny. Yeah. 9 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,720 When it starts getting cold and the snow starts blowing, I'm not 10 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,000 sure how that's going to work. You don't take your walks in the 11 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,880 in the snow. No, because falling down is a 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,440 911. We do not want to fall down. 13 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,800 I agree. You're welcome again to another 14 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,720 edition. We are in studio talking about 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,400 things that are relevant to our servant hood. 16 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,320 You remember our goal is to help you grow in your servant 17 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,720 leadership in your servanthood so that we're you'll glorify God 18 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,960 in everything that you do because the better servant you 19 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,160 are, the better leader you'll become. 20 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,280 These times are designed to discuss important topics and 21 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,200 they are important. They go right to the heart of 22 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,640 the matter. I related to your serving the 23 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,560 Lord, my service under the Lord no matter where you are, 24 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:22,160 homework, church, at the market, wherever you might, at the 25 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,680 airport, on the highway, or in some places they call it the 26 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,120 freeway. You want to be a good servant. 27 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,040 You want to think of others more highly than yourself. 28 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:36,120 Pastor Bob Klaykamp, 50 plus years of ministry experience. 29 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,760 Many of those years as a pastor. He's been with us for a few 30 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,400 years. He pastored in Phoenix for many 31 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,680 years. He pastored in Exeter, England 32 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,480 for many years and now in Aurora, Co. 33 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:52,440 He is a part of something known as the Poyman Ministries. 34 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,480 Poyman Ministries where God uses him around the country and 35 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,760 around the world to serve pastors, to serve churches. 36 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,000 He's always available. I mean, obviously a schedule 37 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,760 permitting, but he's available to serve you. 38 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:06,800 All you need to do is reach out to him. 39 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,840 He has his own website, bobklaycamp.com. 40 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,960 bobklaycamp.com. Today's topic with all that in 41 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:21,320 mind as we start off is the topic of insecurities or 42 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,680 insecurity in the leader in the servant. 43 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:31,880 Typical definition right here from my MacBook Pro uncertainty 44 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:37,400 or anxiety about oneself, lack of confidence. 45 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:43,480 And then a another definition is the state of being open to 46 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:51,200 danger or threat, a lack of protection, insecurities. 47 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,000 Let me just say at the very beginning, insecurity and a 48 00:02:55,000 --> 00:03:00,160 pastor and a leader has damaged countless people. 49 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:06,800 Agree or disagree and why? Agree, absolutely agree because 50 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,800 you end up looking to the reaction of the people as proof 51 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:20,560 of your success or failure. And I think that people you end 52 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,200 up out of insecurity, you end up lashing out against those who 53 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,200 question your choice and authority. 54 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,560 The whole root of that insecurity is your identity. 55 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,840 And when your identity is in Christ and you're and you're 56 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:41,080 sure of your calling and you're walking in love, then there's 57 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,000 there's a security that comes with just being secure in Christ 58 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,920 rather than looking and focusing on your own weaknesses, your own 59 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,960 inabilities or your own frustrations, your own 60 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,080 expectations that haven't been met. 61 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:03,640 And then the you throw in there how your flesh has been 62 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,160 patterned to respond when those things happen. 63 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:11,320 And it just creates chaos. It creates, it breaks down 64 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:15,880 trust, and it's not productive for spiritual growth in the 65 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,320 people you're trying to help. Those two words, the 66 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,880 definition's really great. There's 2 words associated with 67 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,720 it, uncertainty and anxiety about oneself. 68 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,600 The antidote then just from that simple English definition would 69 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:34,720 be to be certain and confident about yourself and, and we would 70 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:39,280 add in Christ, your identity, your calling, your role, your 71 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:41,800 purpose. Identity is everything to 72 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:47,440 understand who you are and not have to deal. 73 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,920 I wish we didn't have to deal with the fear of man. 74 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:56,080 The fear of man is a snare and one of the snares is insecurity. 75 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:01,680 And insecurity damages so many people because you enter in in a 76 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:06,440 very simple way, you and I, we enter in to the situation 77 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,680 thinking of ourselves completely, 100% to protect 78 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:15,680 ourselves, to inflate ourselves to any word that you can think 79 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:21,160 of that involves the word that involves the suffix self is 80 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:26,840 going to lead to the examination of some insecurity. 81 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,400 Insecurity's done a lot of damage it it has hurt people 82 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,960 because a man that's been given the privilege of leadership in 83 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:42,360 God's church and tries to protect or project, protect or 84 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:48,720 project his image will do just about anything, just about 85 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:54,520 anything that's based on self and a lot of damage has been 86 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,240 done. Doesn't have to be big though. 87 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,960 Well, I think of King Saul, King Saul of Israel. 88 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:05,160 He started off with every potential, every every strength, 89 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:09,680 every every good thing to make him successful, but in his own 90 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,560 insecurity. As time went on, it led to 91 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,800 disobedience. It led to dealing with people 92 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,440 harshly. It led to receiving rumors. 93 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,120 It put oppression upon those under him. 94 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:28,200 It never turns out well. It doesn't Harsh is a word I had 95 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,560 jotted down on our prep notes here because that harsh 96 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:37,240 harshness is definitely a sign of insecurity and I would put it 97 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,920 backwards. I would say from harshness, then 98 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,840 the if you take harshness at the end and you move backwards, the 99 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:47,320 word behind that it would be like control. 100 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,200 Then it would be thinking of yourself like automatically is 101 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,520 better than the person in front of you. 102 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,760 And for a servant of the Lord, for Someone Like You and me that 103 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:02,040 have been that are born again, that remember where we came 104 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:09,120 from, we need to be careful that we not enter into a situation 105 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:14,080 wanting to control, wanting to force, wanting to somehow 106 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,720 protect an area of our life or project. 107 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,600 Some like what happens with pastors. 108 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,880 I can speak with pastors. I think what happens with 109 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,120 pastors is they want to do both. They want to project some kind 110 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,440 of image. My church is better than yours, 111 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,160 bigger than yours. I'm better than you. 112 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,080 I teach better. I pastor better. 113 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,640 I serve better. I am better because look at me, 114 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,360 I got more people in my church. I got more money than you. 115 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,040 I'm I teach it more conferences in all the different 116 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,640 measurements they're projecting. But then when they're when, as 117 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,280 we saw in or we talked about in a previous episode of the 118 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,440 podcast, when, when you have to share the truth, say the hard 119 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:53,000 things and speak the truth and love, then the projection turns 120 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,120 into protection. And no, you can't tell me what 121 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:57,720 to do. Don't you know who I am? 122 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,960 Haven't you? And on and on that list goes and 123 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,120 you're just not. And all taking into 124 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,640 consideration the person that's in front of you. 125 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,160 It is, it is not about the person in front of you. 126 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:14,280 It's conform, it is get along with the program, it is all 127 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:19,560 sorts of things in exchange for hey, I'm in your life to serve 128 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,720 you, to take care of you, to help you. 129 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,160 What can I do to help you? Have you experienced the 130 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,800 protection and projection of other men or women? 131 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,679 Yeah, absolutely. And you want to speak into their 132 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,799 life, but they're just like a porcupine. 133 00:08:36,799 --> 00:08:40,039 You they won't allow you to give in close to be helped. 134 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:45,600 And they don't see that it it is a they're sabotage. 135 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,600 They're they're sabotaging their own ministry through the through 136 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:55,720 the hidden insecurity, even though they're trying to put on 137 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:00,120 a strong front. Sometimes this whole philosophy 138 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,440 that the best defense is a good offense and and that's just 139 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:10,840 you're just flaming people with and and then you blame people 140 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:12,560 flaming and blaming. There you go. 141 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,520 Yeah, yeah. Insecurity also takes us away 142 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,240 from a life of faith. While the Bible doesn't 143 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:22,760 explicitly say this, we could think it through that a part of 144 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,040 Peter's failures was his insecurity around the other 145 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,160 disciples wanting to be the greatest and arguing about that 146 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:34,240 and just not a simple faith that what Jesus said about him is 147 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,920 true. Jesus looked him in the eye and 148 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,320 he's like you. You're going to, you're going to 149 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,480 deny me. And that no, no, if I deny you, 150 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:44,840 then that'll make me look like this. 151 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,720 It'll make me look like just not receiving the truth and really 152 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,320 processing it, but rather denying it, putting up such a 153 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,960 front where I mean, I know my own weaknesses. 154 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,880 I sometimes I'm, I'm parts of my weaknesses are revealed in 155 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,600 deeper ways that I didn't know. But I mean, I, I, I have a 156 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:04,840 generally good assessment of myself. 157 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,880 I have a generally good assessment. 158 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,120 I have a tendency being the realist. 159 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,160 We've already settled that in a another episode, the realist 160 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:17,440 that I am, that I recognize these I, I have a tendency to 161 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,000 recognize probably more the failures or the weaknesses than 162 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,960 I do any strengths. And, and so I have a fair 163 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:28,280 assessment of myself, but on occasion God will reveal even 164 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:33,200 more to me. And the, the, the what he's 165 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,280 trying to do is put my finger on a place where I'm not abiding in 166 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,120 him and I'm not drawing on his resources. 167 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,800 And I'm not OK. That's the thing. 168 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,240 I'm not OK with these weaknesses. 169 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:47,160 They're, they almost seem like something I want to get rid of 170 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,920 or something I want to like I'm always improving and I'm always 171 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,320 wanting to grow. And, and while that's healthy in 172 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,880 one sense, it's also unhealthy if I don't just accept you're 173 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,400 right. This is something that needs to 174 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:05,320 be taken to the cross and one of the missing links and in some of 175 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,880 these discussions we're having is is godly sorrow and 176 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,960 repentance. Like, so I'm thinking, well, 177 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,320 yeah, I have insecurities on me. I'm it's coming out right now. 178 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,040 Am I? Am I thinking like I have some 179 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,320 insecurities myself I can thinking through, but I'm almost 180 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,000 talking to you, Bob, like it's OK. 181 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,720 I can have some insecurities instead of like, man, this 182 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:29,200 hinders me and has a potential to hinder me to be useful for 183 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,400 why am I OK with it? Like why am I accepting of it? 184 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,760 Why am I not like taking it to the Lord on my prayer walks with 185 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:41,120 Bob in the snow talking about like, Lord, I don't want I want 186 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,560 to have this confidence you've brought me thus far. 187 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,800 I don't want to have this insecurity and and God has done 188 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,160 that over the years. I mean, I think of I think of 189 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,400 the opportunity to teach at conferences. 190 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,160 People will always ask me, am I nervous? 191 00:11:57,560 --> 00:12:00,600 And the answer is, yeah, on occasion I'm nervous. 192 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,320 But nervousness comes from a lack of confidence. 193 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:07,920 I mean, there is AI guess we could all be spiritual about it. 194 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,040 Yes, I'm nervous because I want to handle the text, right? 195 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:11,440 And that's true. It's true. 196 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,880 It's true, but that's not the nervousness that I think is 197 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,040 being asked about the nervousness I'm being this. 198 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,040 I don't know what will they connect with me? 199 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,200 Will I, Am I in the spirit today that I handle the text well? 200 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,360 Are they going to come with me Like am I? 201 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,240 I know I'll be faithful to give the word, but I I want to be 202 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:27,680 more than faithful to give the word. 203 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:31,000 I want them to come with me. I want to see life impact. 204 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,000 I want to see change. And so there is a nervousness, 205 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,960 especially when I'm teaching a group that doesn't know me and I 206 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:41,080 can't rely on any tricks that I've ever used before like I can 207 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:42,960 use here because they trust me and they know me and they 208 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,200 already know my jokes are dumb and they already know how I my 209 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,120 style of teaching where I want to connect. 210 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,720 And it's if I don't connect early on, it's going to be a 211 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,520 hard 40 minutes or so like teaching. 212 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,040 So there's a nervousness, but part of that nervousness is 213 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,760 insecurity because the other side of that coin is, hey, I'm 214 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,160 here. I've prayed, I've prepared, I 215 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,400 prayed over this group. And when I'm in a conference, I 216 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,440 like sitting. I do not like hiding in the 217 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:11,720 green room. I don't. 218 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,440 I want to be in the play. I want to be with the fog. 219 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,080 I want to talk, learn, pray, enjoy. 220 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,320 So I'm here. I've given God my best. 221 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,120 So part of that is I shouldn't be nervous at all. 222 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,200 I'm just going to trust the Lord. 223 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,000 It's, it's his conference. So I know I have, I know I have 224 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:32,440 those things in me, but I can't. I can't create the habit of 225 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:36,600 being OK with it without condemning myself. 226 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,080 Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah. 227 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:43,840 I think that a person can identify that he has 228 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,880 insecurities or she has insecurities, but you can't just 229 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,000 get stuck there because it's quicksand. 230 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:55,680 And so anybody that has an area of insecure, I think we all have 231 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:58,120 insecurities. That's in different ways. 232 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:03,800 But is there hope for a person who has a lot of insecurities 233 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,640 and they can see the failures and the end? 234 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:11,920 Yes, there's absolutely hope. You, you can become more secure 235 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:13,920 in Christ. I don't think you're going to 236 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,360 become Superman. I just think that little by 237 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,200 little, step by step, the Lord is committed. 238 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,600 I mean, man, man before the flood, the average age of man 239 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,440 was over 900 years. And the Lord was good with that. 240 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,360 And so our measly 70 or 80 years, he's OK with that. 241 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,640 I mean, he's, he's patient and so he already knew what he was 242 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,760 getting into when he called us to himself. 243 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,440 So that's good. He's, he already knows the 244 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,280 strategy and he's going to take a step by step and he's not 245 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,240 going to compare us with anybody else. 246 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,920 And when you're in a position of leadership, there's all kinds of 247 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:54,200 pressures upon you, especially if those of you that are 248 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,400 listening are in a denominational setting. 249 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,480 You've got expectations of those who are the district 250 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,840 Superintendent and, and you've got to put in your reports and 251 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,040 all that and it makes you look bad. 252 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:10,760 And there's all that. And, and you just have to come 253 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:16,240 to the place to say, first of all, my security is in Jesus. 254 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:21,040 And he enables me to do what I can do, when I can do it, how I 255 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,880 can do it. I have to operate within the 256 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:25,880 measure of grace that he gives me. 257 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,800 And I, I don't have the same grace as somebody else. 258 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:35,640 And so I have to be OK with that even when I know it's going to 259 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:40,640 create problems for me. And I have to be just OK with 260 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:45,000 it, because God's in charge. This is a normal part by the way 261 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,600 you guys listening in. It is normal. 262 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,680 It, it doesn't mean it's OK, but it's normal or what I like to 263 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,160 say it's natural, but what we really want is the supernatural. 264 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:01,200 We want the Lord to take us over the hump of being able to stay, 265 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,840 stay in a place of usability because this can really stop you 266 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,760 very, very quickly. It can hinder because 267 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:12,320 insecurities quickly morph into pride and pride. 268 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:17,160 It brings a halt to the work of God in us in ministry right 269 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,480 away. And we got God's got to now deal 270 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,320 with that pride and now we're talking humility and all of the 271 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,640 characteristics that will make us more helpful. 272 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,960 But you use the word comparing and remind me of the scripture 273 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,040 that Paul wrote in 2nd Corinthians 10. 274 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,520 It says we dare not class ourselves or compare ourselves 275 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:38,600 with those who commend themselves, but they measuring 276 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:43,000 themselves by themselves and comparing themselves among 277 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,840 themselves are not wise. That brought two things up 278 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,200 together in one verse that you and I both mentioned I mentioned 279 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:57,720 the self and it's meant and he mentions it 123456 times in that 280 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,560 one verse and you mentioned comparison and both of these. 281 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,920 It's just not wise. It's not helpful because you 282 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,640 have a role. I have a role and together God's 283 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,240 chosen to use us, but we can't excuse it. 284 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,960 I, I was, there was a situation in my life a few years ago where 285 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:24,520 I was publicly made fun of by a brother and it was not good. 286 00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:29,120 And I believe that that it required a sit down meeting, 287 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:33,040 which I asked for so that I could share it with him and come 288 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,280 just like we've been talking, say the hard things. 289 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,160 Matthew 18. Let's work through these things. 290 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,280 Let's see if we can come to a conclusion. 291 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,560 And I shared that and he admitted that and he gave an 292 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,240 apology. I'm sorry for that. 293 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,320 But in his apology he said, I'm sorry for that, but you know, 294 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:54,360 I'm just insecure. And he began to take away the 295 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,480 apology with trying to explain to me how insecure he is. 296 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,480 And this is the way it is. And it's the way he's always 297 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,760 going to be, always has been. It's the way he's always going 298 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:04,720 to be. And I'm, I'm like that. 299 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,440 That's not much of an apology, bro. 300 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,680 Like, like that, like you, you need to own this, but not just 301 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,440 own what you did because I'll get over it. 302 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:17,440 It's you, you, you have this position of leadership and you 303 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,000 will use it whatever moment to think you're going to get a 304 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,440 cheap laugh at the expense of someone else. 305 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,320 And it wasn't even a cheap laugh. 306 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,040 It was the kind of situation that made the room awkward. 307 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,400 It made it a very uncomfortable thing. 308 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,120 And, and I know that in my life as I experienced that I just, I 309 00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:40,120 don't want to let my humanity be an excuse to not grow because 310 00:18:40,120 --> 00:18:43,680 I'm, I've seen over the years God allowing me to be in 311 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,880 situations. So he'll deal with the 312 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:50,720 insecurity, he'll deal with. It's kind of the for a long 313 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,320 time, I really wanted to teach at conferences so God would give 314 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,840 me an opportunity. He taught me at, he let me teach 315 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,440 at the Senior Pastors Conference. 316 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,400 When we still met at Marietta, the room was filled with 1200 317 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,440 men, all pastoring churches, wonderful men, great churches. 318 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:12,000 And, and I, I was given the privilege to teach almost like, 319 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,320 is that what you wanted? Yeah, Lord, that's what I want. 320 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,600 And and I prepared and I and I was ready and, and in the 321 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:24,240 teaching I bombed, I went over time, I lost my place, I and a 322 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,760 few other things. The teaching itself, I think the 323 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,240 Lord honored it. But I know that as I go do a 324 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,240 debrief, looking back on it, it was all about me. 325 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,640 And God wanted me to see it. He wanted me to feel it. 326 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:41,240 He wanted me to be back in the the lunch area where the guy at 327 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,360 the table behind me is criticizing me. 328 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,560 The table over here is telling me they're talking about how 329 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,240 they would have done better. They were there was there was a 330 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,200 lot and God is just like Ed this what you want and I'm like, 331 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,280 well, not really. I'm not really. 332 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,480 And but what he was trying to show me wasn't all the other 333 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,280 tables, wasn't the other people He was showing me. 334 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,440 He was taught, he was training me. 335 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,760 And and he didn't tell. I didn't get the sense of the 336 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,560 Holy Spirit gave me this burden back then. 337 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,720 But now looking back, I can see. Like Ed, I'm preparing you for 338 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,440 the minister I have for you. And if you don't get through 339 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:20,280 this, and if you stay here and you, you think that this is the 340 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:24,280 end you, you think that this is the end your little desires, and 341 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,720 then you'll never be usable for me. 342 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,640 And so let me give it to you. Let me let you stand there, let 343 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,760 Pastor Chuck in and sit there and fall asleep on your teaching 344 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,600 over here, which he's tired anyway. 345 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,320 Like that's, that's just the way it is or, or everybody upset 346 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,440 that you took away time that because you couldn't figure out. 347 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,760 And back then I didn't have a timer on the pulpit. 348 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,800 I relied on the clock. But the problem with a relying 349 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,400 on the clock, Bob, is that you have to do the math in your 350 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,840 head. And then you got like, OK, it's 351 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,360 I got it in here and it's this time. 352 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:55,040 But then this time, mine is this time. 353 00:20:55,280 --> 00:21:00,360 And it was just, it was just an event that God was showing my, 354 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,160 my insecurities. I was in the pulpit there and I 355 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,680 think if you would have told me at the time, I don't know that I 356 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,800 would have said, yeah, I was, it's all about me. 357 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,160 And I don't think it was completely about me, but it was 358 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,880 a lot about me. And they're just things you 359 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,440 nobody's going to be able to say the hard thing. 360 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,640 God's going to say the hard thing and he's going to deal 361 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,720 with deathblow to that area. Ed, when you're thinking all 362 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,040 about yourself, you're going to be prone to worry about 363 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,680 everybody. These guys falling asleep, these 364 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,200 guys checking their phones, these guys walking out. 365 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,200 Then you got Pat, you're a man you admire over there falling 366 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,880 asleep on you and then you then you don't have any extra and 367 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,240 then you go to dinner and they're Ed. 368 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,640 There's an easier way. And that is just look to me. 369 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,320 Don't worry about what people think. 370 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,000 You serve me. It's easier. 371 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,280 And I found this, it's easier to serve the Lord than it is to 372 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,800 serve men any day of the week. But I can make it harder when 373 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,160 it's all about me. I remember coming to a a 374 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,800 crossroad because I can have some insecurities and when 375 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:13,760 someone that is higher up in responsibility and a fellowship 376 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:18,880 of churches comes to you and and makes a demand for you to do 377 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,680 something that you know is wrong and in your spirit, you know 378 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,480 what's wrong. But it was such pressure. 379 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,080 And then they bring in somebody else to encourage that, that you 380 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,600 need to do this. You need to make it and, and you 381 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,920 just know it's a crossroad. It's a crossroad. 382 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,480 Are you going to yield to your insecurity and just bend to what 383 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:43,480 you know was wrong because you don't want to make waves or, or, 384 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,920 or now are you going to make a decision to do what's right 385 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:51,240 before me and then just take whatever happens, happens? 386 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:57,960 And, and, and I did that was a, it was like I, I just, I 387 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,280 couldn't believe I was being asked to do this. 388 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,400 And, and I'm going, OK, this is going to like seal my future, so 389 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:10,160 to speak, as someone who is not loyal in rebellion. 390 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:15,480 But it was a serious situation. And, and so I had to do what I 391 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,440 felt was the right thing before the Lord. 392 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:22,920 And so He brings you to those crossroads to help you grow to 393 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:27,480 be more secure in Him. Yeah, knowing your identity is 394 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,160 so important. I wrote an article on at 395 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,960 taylor.org on this very topic. So if you put in insecure in the 396 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,440 search bar, it'll bring up this article I wrote a couple years 397 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,200 ago. But here's some things that I 398 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,360 wrote down. Signs of an insecure pastor 399 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:48,360 often include trying to control everything and everyone, finding 400 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:52,120 fault in others, being threatened by others success. 401 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,280 Needing to be the center of attention, gossiping and 402 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,240 spreading rumors, manipulating people to get their way, 403 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:05,320 Constantly putting others down. Refusing to take responsibility 404 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,240 for their actions. Having a quick temper. 405 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:13,120 Being jealous of others relationships, trying to control 406 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:17,600 the conversation, never admitting they're wrong, making 407 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:23,600 everything about them, being self absorbed, having a sense of 408 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,960 entitlement, only caring about themselves and their needs. 409 00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:31,880 And another one is always trying to bully you into making 410 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,920 decisions their way. I mean there's another word to 411 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,400 describe that. It's narcissism. 412 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,480 But like this insecurity where it's all about control and keep 413 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,400 things in a place that it's almost like, I just want you to 414 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,640 know Bob. I want you to know who I am. 415 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,760 I am me and you are Bob and you're just a notch below me. 416 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,880 Just don't ever forget that that but that's not the words that 417 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,840 are used. Instead it's this passive 418 00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:00,720 aggressive control freak like and that's the worst. 419 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,320 And let's be careful. So you're listening right now. 420 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,800 You're thinking, man, that that seems pretty extreme. 421 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,200 Yeah, it's the worst, but it exists. 422 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:14,000 And to think, I remember the book Tale of Three Kings talking 423 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,680 about how to deal when you're heard or any, and, and when 424 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,480 things things are coming against you and you've got David, you 425 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:25,240 got Saul and you got Absalom. One of the things, and it may 426 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,360 not be a direct quote, but this is how I remember one of the 427 00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:30,120 principles I brought from that book. 428 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:33,320 First of all, of course, is we all want to be David in that 429 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,880 scenario. We all want to be David. 430 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,120 That's a noble cause. But many times we're not. 431 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,200 But he said even if we are David, he said something along, 432 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,680 even if that's the choice we take, we don't want to be saw. 433 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,080 And even if we are David, we have a little bit of Absalom or 434 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,920 a little bit of salt in all of us. 435 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,040 Yeah, and and that would be our flush. 436 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,320 That would be our weakness, our humanity, the natural part of 437 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:58,440 us. But if we're going to serve 438 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,560 well, we have to come to terms with this insecurity. 439 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,320 We have to admit it. We have to pray through it. 440 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,720 We have to repent from it. We you know, if you want to go 441 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,800 to the website again and just put in insecure in the search 442 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,320 bar and look at these look at these things, maybe print it out 443 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,720 and make sure before the Lord may if you're married, talk to 444 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,600 your spouse. If you have A-Team, talk to your 445 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:21,840 team. If you want to be vulnerable 446 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,320 enough, it's probably some an insecure pastor wouldn't do. 447 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,080 But like what do you see in me? Do you see any of these things 448 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,560 because these are signs that you might be dealing with an 449 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:36,720 insecure pastor or insecurity and a real popular topic term 450 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,120 these days. It wasn't always popular, but 451 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:40,880 you know, you could also add to it. 452 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:45,640 An insecure pastor or leader or servant uses gaslighting a lot. 453 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,400 And gaslighting is, you know, it's saying one thing and then 454 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,120 denying you ever said it and doing the opposite. 455 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,480 And to manipulate, it's really a tool of manipulation where you 456 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,640 you do something and it creates an environment and then when 457 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,520 you're called on it, you'd completely deny it. 458 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,360 You know, you like, man, I was there, bro. 459 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:04,520 It's on video. What do you mean? 460 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,840 Like I have the quote, I have the receipts. 461 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,360 I you wrote it. No, I never did that. 462 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:11,480 I never said that. Like, how do you do, How do you 463 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,440 deal with that? That's not really profitable in 464 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:19,760 the world and it's absolutely not profitable in in the church. 465 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,240 So any other, I mean, we're coming up again to the end of an 466 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,920 episode. Any other final thoughts on 467 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,280 this? Thing is that if we don't deal 468 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,920 with the things the Holy Spirit's trying to deal with us, 469 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:38,600 between him and and us, then the Lord will let it play out and 470 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,240 we'll use the world circumstances to be the teacher 471 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,560 because one way or the other he wants to free us. 472 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,800 Yes, and so if it takes the hard lesson to free us, then he'll 473 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,560 let it go to the hard lesson. But he always starts with 474 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,720 telling us the truth. You know, listen to my wisdom. 475 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,960 Listen, you know, cut it off right now. 476 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,480 Because if you don't cut it off right now, just know that I will 477 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,280 use it. And it will grow and grow. 478 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,760 It's the difference right between humbling yourself before 479 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,880 the mighty hand of God and and having God humble you. 480 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:20,400 They're both painful, but I have found to humble myself is a 481 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,760 little bit less painful where I'm presenting myself to the 482 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,400 Lord, I'm repenting. I'm coming to terms rather than 483 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,320 having to have the world circumstances, having to have 484 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,920 deeper consequences for continued unrepentant sin, 485 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,960 because that's what this is. This is not merely a defect. 486 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:41,920 It's not merely a problem and a weakness, insecurity and the 487 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,800 effects of insecurity. Some of the is sinful and sin 488 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:50,960 always comes with a consequence or as the Bible says, the wages 489 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,400 of sin is death. And sometimes that is death of 490 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,680 of a ministry. It's death of a relationship, 491 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:02,440 it's death of effectiveness. It's death of of respect you. 492 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:08,080 And and the deceptiveness of this is that people still come 493 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,040 to church. Your team still serves with you. 494 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,200 They're still, but from different motives than what you 495 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,480 would really want. Their motives are, you know, the 496 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,080 people come to church because 11 they probably don't know the 497 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,200 truth, but 2, they just want to hear from the Lord. 498 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,080 This is your home church or that's where relationships are 499 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,080 and people, they stick around and they stick around because 500 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,960 this is also where God called them. 501 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,800 And maybe they haven't found another place yet or they 502 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,360 haven't found another job and they need their paycheck. 503 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,200 And so there's a piece of I'll put up with this, but I really, 504 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,240 I'm planning my exit or, and it's no, no, no, no, no. 505 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,000 We want to walk in the lights. He is in the light. 506 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,560 We want to grow. We want to deal with death blows 507 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,440 to the areas of insecurity because it it makes us, it makes 508 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,200 us unstable in the confidence, like you said in the beginning, 509 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,760 Bob, the confidence of our identity in Christ. 510 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,360 That's what we want. We want to walk in our identity 511 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,400 of who God's made us. And we're just a servant. 512 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,080 That's our identity. We're no big shot. 513 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,560 We're no soup. We have no super self 514 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,640 importance. We're servants. 515 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,280 The way up in God's Kingdom is always down. 516 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,960 And if our Savior, the Messiah of the world, died to himself 517 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,640 and presented himself to the cross willingly, how much more 518 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,520 are we to follow in his footsteps? 519 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,840 So thanks again Bob for being with me today. 520 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,360 We are coming up to an end of a yet another episode. 521 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,320 The topic was insecurity. If you have any feedback on 522 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,920 that, we'd love to hear from you. 523 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:45,840 Text US 720608, 001 two, 720-608-0012. 524 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,000 You can text there. You can leave a voicemail there. 525 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,480 You can also e-mail ed@edtaylor.org, 526 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,560 ed@edtaylor.org. 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