1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,300 Here's Ed Taylor with today's episode of lead to serve a 2 00:00:08,308 --> 00:00:13,500 leadership podcast, welcome again to this edition of the 3 00:00:13,500 --> 00:00:18,600 lead to serve podcast, we're in season number four and this is 4 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:23,200 episode number three and lead to serve is a Ministry of here of 5 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,100 Calvary Church and Aurora. Colorado. 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,800 My name is Ed Taylor. I am the pastor here been here. 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:36,400 For 22 years serving the community and enjoying what God 8 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,600 has chosen to do here. And part of our ministry, here 9 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,500 is a resourcing church because we are a resourcing church is to 10 00:00:43,500 --> 00:00:46,300 provide opportunities like this is one of my passions. 11 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:51,500 I love Ministry, I love serving, I love being available to 12 00:00:51,500 --> 00:00:55,600 encourage and to string I have a couple of books actually that we 13 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,500 put out one is for the entry-level, servanthood we 14 00:00:59,500 --> 00:01:02,800 call. The title of that book is 15 00:01:03,300 --> 00:01:05,800 Ordinary Servant. I forgotten the title, but we 16 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,100 have an updated version and it's really a compilation of what we 17 00:01:09,100 --> 00:01:13,900 call our servants class here, where anyone that serving needs 18 00:01:13,900 --> 00:01:17,700 to go through the servants class, they can read ordinary 19 00:01:17,700 --> 00:01:19,900 servant servant. So, I just got a picture today. 20 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,900 Somebody using Ordinary Servant to disciple their youth group, 21 00:01:24,300 --> 00:01:27,400 and it's a great, it's simple. Everything here is simple, that 22 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:28,800 that's one of the big complaints. 23 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,500 We get here everything. So Simple. 24 00:01:30,700 --> 00:01:33,300 But I never understood, I never really understand why people 25 00:01:33,300 --> 00:01:35,900 want me to make it. So complicated for him, I want 26 00:01:35,900 --> 00:01:37,900 to take the complicated and make it simple. 27 00:01:38,100 --> 00:01:40,600 There are theologians and other people that can take the simple 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,900 and make it complicated. I'll leave it to them, but to 29 00:01:43,900 --> 00:01:47,700 hear that, even that book is being used to disciple high 30 00:01:47,700 --> 00:01:50,600 schoolers in Virginia is very encouraging to me. 31 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:54,700 And I also, we also compiled a more as a team effort as well. 32 00:01:54,700 --> 00:01:57,100 Another book called, sure, and steady. 33 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:04,700 And that is a compilation of Of input and insight on how to 34 00:02:04,700 --> 00:02:08,699 serve pastorally Elder but it's very applicable. 35 00:02:08,699 --> 00:02:12,000 We're going to go through it as a staff here, probably beginning 36 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,400 in a couple weeks and the whole staff. 37 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,900 Everyone that's on staff here is going to go through it and we're 38 00:02:16,900 --> 00:02:19,700 going to talk about principles and it's not anything 39 00:02:19,700 --> 00:02:22,900 earth-shattering, but things like being on time or keeping 40 00:02:22,900 --> 00:02:26,800 your word or respond to your email, those kind of things. 41 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:32,900 But you'd be surprised how How many churches primarily to I 42 00:02:32,900 --> 00:02:34,400 deal with its the world in general. 43 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,700 But churches, don't respond to email, they don't return their 44 00:02:36,700 --> 00:02:40,800 phone calls and we want to train people to do it, right? 45 00:02:40,900 --> 00:02:43,700 I mean, if we get the simple, the simple things, right? 46 00:02:43,900 --> 00:02:46,700 Then we'll be ready for the hard things, but if you can't be 47 00:02:46,700 --> 00:02:49,600 faithful, and what's little Jesus said, even what's little 48 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,700 be taken away from you and given to who the faithful one. 49 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,700 And of course you heard Pastor Bob is with us, he's going to be 50 00:02:56,700 --> 00:03:01,200 with us as many episodes as we can here in For welcome again. 51 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,400 Pastor bomb, that's good. Good to be here. 52 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,000 Absolutely. Bob Clay Camp. 53 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,800 He's a pastor here on our team, but he's also a pastor with 54 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,800 bullying and Ministries. He was also a pastor pastor and 55 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,800 Exeter England. He was a pastor in North Phoenix 56 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,500 and comes to us with just a humble heart, humble servant of 57 00:03:20,500 --> 00:03:24,200 the Lord, with a lot of experience, a lot of mistakes 58 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,500 that he's made and learned from a lot of successes that we get 59 00:03:27,500 --> 00:03:30,600 to glean from. And, and in different, Spective 60 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,900 than what we need. And the whole idea of podcasting 61 00:03:33,900 --> 00:03:36,500 is to have a discussion and most of the time because of my 62 00:03:36,500 --> 00:03:39,000 schedule and everything, I just kind of do it alone because 63 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,800 that's the only way I've been able to produce it. 64 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,100 I don't have typically have the time to invest with my schedule 65 00:03:45,900 --> 00:03:47,700 setting up and arranging guests and stuff. 66 00:03:47,700 --> 00:03:50,200 It's just been super hard. But this one, I just decided 67 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,100 we're going to do it because Bob the feedback on the couple 68 00:03:53,100 --> 00:03:56,500 episodes we did in season 3. I mean it was probably got more 69 00:03:56,500 --> 00:03:59,300 feedback on that besides you and I did together than any of the 70 00:03:59,300 --> 00:04:01,100 upper. So I'm like, well, we should 71 00:04:01,100 --> 00:04:04,200 probably just do it that way then and see how season for 72 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,900 comes and led, let's just have free-flowing unscripted 73 00:04:07,900 --> 00:04:10,200 discussions. Like we do when we're talking to 74 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,100 my office or after service, right? 75 00:04:12,100 --> 00:04:13,700 Right. So it'll be raw. 76 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,800 Don't be discouraged if it's raw and it doesn't sound all 77 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,600 scripted and we go off on tangents. 78 00:04:20,300 --> 00:04:21,800 That's okay, that's how we learn. 79 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,700 And that's how we grow. And so, I want to remind you 80 00:04:24,700 --> 00:04:28,600 that we are also open to your questions, your feedback, how 81 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,900 can it be better? And by the way, Way, one of the 82 00:04:30,900 --> 00:04:34,300 number-one feedback on the podcast is have guests, that's 83 00:04:34,300 --> 00:04:36,200 what people want, they want discussion. 84 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,800 And I have a lot of friends to do this with and I probably will 85 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,600 figure out a way in my schedule to do with guests, more 86 00:04:43,900 --> 00:04:46,300 frequently in different guests in the future. 87 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,400 And so, were responding to probably the number-one 88 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,100 feedback. It would be great to have. 89 00:04:51,300 --> 00:04:52,700 I love it. When you're talking to someone, 90 00:04:52,700 --> 00:04:54,300 I love it. And I'm like, okay, let's so 91 00:04:54,300 --> 00:04:56,800 let's do it. And we're going to try for the 92 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,800 most of this season for to have Pastor Bob with And just talk 93 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,900 about different things. Unscripted. 94 00:05:03,900 --> 00:05:06,500 So give us your feedback. If you have topics we wanted you 95 00:05:06,500 --> 00:05:10,000 want us to tackle. Send us your topics email. 96 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,900 Me directly, Ed Ed, Ed Taylor dot o--? 97 00:05:12,900 --> 00:05:17,200 R-- g--, Ed at Ed Taylor dot o--, r-- g--, make sure it's 98 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,300 dot-org. All those emails come to me. 99 00:05:19,300 --> 00:05:24,300 Directly you can you please. Make sure you give us a good 100 00:05:24,300 --> 00:05:26,000 review. I'll give us all the stars. 101 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,800 You can give us a good review. It changes, the algorithms so 102 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,300 that it's easier. Fine, it goes up gets Popular. 103 00:05:33,500 --> 00:05:37,000 I mean it's not going to be like popular in the the stratosphere 104 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,400 of podcast but people that are looking for will find it, 105 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,000 Sovereign lie. So if it's blessed you then let 106 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,700 people know it's blessed. You if it hasn't blessed, you 107 00:05:44,900 --> 00:05:46,700 don't give us a bad review. Just email me. 108 00:05:46,700 --> 00:05:48,500 Let's talk about it. I'd love to talk to you. 109 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,900 Maybe there's an area of in a Ministry that God wants to do, 110 00:05:52,100 --> 00:05:55,400 but I don't, I don't understand and this is not the topic of our 111 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,900 podcast, but just I don't understand why people knock 112 00:05:59,900 --> 00:06:02,600 things that are, they've give bad reviews four-star. 113 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,600 Of to stumble other people. I don't understand it. 114 00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:10,900 And I just and I mean it's not understandable, but I hate that 115 00:06:10,900 --> 00:06:12,300 church. Well, I mean, if they're 116 00:06:12,300 --> 00:06:16,000 teaching the word and they are passionate, they're worshiping 117 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,100 Christ. But you don't like it. 118 00:06:18,700 --> 00:06:20,100 What do we care? If you don't like it. 119 00:06:20,100 --> 00:06:21,700 Like, don't why are you going to stumble? 120 00:06:21,700 --> 00:06:24,200 That might be the best church for that new believing family 121 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,300 that might be the best place and you can just take all your cares 122 00:06:28,300 --> 00:06:32,900 and concerns to the Lord but You know, that's just an opinion, 123 00:06:32,900 --> 00:06:36,300 you could take it or leave it but if you have a good review, 124 00:06:36,300 --> 00:06:39,100 leave it, how's that? But today, I want to build a 125 00:06:39,108 --> 00:06:44,000 little bit on our last episode where we were talking not too 126 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,500 long ago, about change and embracing change, and it 127 00:06:48,508 --> 00:06:51,200 reminded me and it's kind of a both. 128 00:06:51,500 --> 00:06:54,300 We also talked a little bit about a communication but I want 129 00:06:54,300 --> 00:06:58,200 to talk a little bit about communicating through change how 130 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,700 important it is for us, that That lead to communicate through 131 00:07:02,700 --> 00:07:05,200 change and then if you're in a subordinate position or a 132 00:07:05,207 --> 00:07:09,800 servant position or a support position to help communicate 133 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,800 through change, one of the things we did dear Bob and I 134 00:07:13,808 --> 00:07:15,700 think you were in that meeting. Were you in that first meeting, 135 00:07:15,700 --> 00:07:18,000 we pulled the Whiteboard out and said, we don't know what's 136 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,000 happening and we just I was home. 137 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:24,800 You are home because of what happened because you told me not 138 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,000 to come lll because you were high risk yelled at by her is we 139 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,100 could have we should have. Did we try? 140 00:07:29,100 --> 00:07:31,200 We try to put you on. Her something right. 141 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,700 I'll call ya on speakerphone. That didn't work well. 142 00:07:33,700 --> 00:07:36,300 Well, you know, that's a, that's a really good reminder, because 143 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,200 I was really scared that people will get her. 144 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,100 I didn't know what we use. I was super scary. 145 00:07:40,100 --> 00:07:43,100 I didn't, I didn't know. I would, I did not want to be 146 00:07:43,100 --> 00:07:45,500 responsible for anybody dying. I got that. 147 00:07:45,500 --> 00:07:48,800 I remember that now. So the one that we did try to 148 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,700 dial you in. I remember that it didn't work 149 00:07:50,700 --> 00:07:54,300 very well, but we pulled the Whiteboard out and we started 150 00:07:54,300 --> 00:07:56,800 talking about all our feelings, all of our issues. 151 00:07:56,900 --> 00:07:58,300 What is it going to be? Like, we don't know. 152 00:07:58,300 --> 00:07:59,700 We never been through this before. 153 00:08:00,300 --> 00:08:03,700 And the number one thing that came out of that whiteboard 154 00:08:03,700 --> 00:08:06,600 exercise of us all giving our input in our ideas and 155 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:13,500 everything was the phrase, One Voice, One Voice something. 156 00:08:13,500 --> 00:08:19,200 We've never had before that phrase, we've had the principle 157 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:23,600 of it, we operate that way and the way that we would describe 158 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,900 it in previous times as like-mindedness, that we all say 159 00:08:26,900 --> 00:08:30,200 the same thing, right? Doesn't the Bible there's an 160 00:08:30,300 --> 00:08:32,700 Auction, even Paul, who was he writing to her? 161 00:08:32,700 --> 00:08:39,100 He said say this same thing, he said to I'm looking it up right 162 00:08:39,100 --> 00:08:43,500 now to get down. Where was it? 163 00:08:43,500 --> 00:08:46,900 I thought it was same thing. I have to look it up later but 164 00:08:46,900 --> 00:08:48,800 it was that phrase say the same thing. 165 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:56,900 Make sure that you guys are like minded and And with that, we 166 00:08:56,900 --> 00:09:01,400 then saw during crisis that it was very important that whatever 167 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,700 comes out from us as a leadership team. 168 00:09:04,100 --> 00:09:08,300 Whether Bob says it, whether Ed says it whether ever it says it. 169 00:09:08,300 --> 00:09:12,900 Anyone on our team, we have to say the same thing because 170 00:09:12,900 --> 00:09:17,500 things were already confusing. Already difficult already hard 171 00:09:17,700 --> 00:09:21,500 already unpredictable. And if now, the leadership isn't 172 00:09:21,700 --> 00:09:24,800 saying the same thing is Isn't communicating the same thing. 173 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,500 Then we are going to be unable to lead. 174 00:09:29,100 --> 00:09:33,300 We're going to be a unable to, we're going to make things worse 175 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,000 than better. Yeah, at least a confusion that, 176 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,000 you know, who do I believe, and wait a minute. 177 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,500 They said this. And, and you said that. 178 00:09:41,500 --> 00:09:45,000 So, you know what's, right? And we just be will be 179 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:50,600 constantly on our heels solving problems that we made worse 180 00:09:50,900 --> 00:09:52,600 instead of all being in the same place. 181 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,800 But And by the way, the I found the scripture, it's not say the 182 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,000 same thing in the new King James. 183 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,800 It's speak the same thing. First Corinthians chapter 1, I 184 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:05,200 plea in an in the midst of division sectarianism he says, 185 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,600 now I plead with you Brethren by the name of our Lord Jesus 186 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:13,000 Christ that you all speak the same thing and that there be no 187 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,700 divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together 188 00:10:16,700 --> 00:10:19,100 in the same mind and in the same judgment. 189 00:10:19,100 --> 00:10:20,900 Yeah. And the Holy Spirit really gave 190 00:10:20,900 --> 00:10:24,700 us that phrase that X, the scriptures that we all. 191 00:10:24,700 --> 00:10:28,700 Because even as we say, the same thing and have a the same one 192 00:10:28,700 --> 00:10:33,400 voice that didn't mean that, we all agreed with everything, it 193 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,800 didn't mean that we all agreed with all of the changes. 194 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,700 All the decisions. It didn't mean that everyone was 195 00:10:38,700 --> 00:10:42,100 100% on board or if they were in charge, they do it together. 196 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,000 I'm they do it differently. But it did mean that our 197 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:52,900 differences would be laid aside and we can retain our all of our 198 00:10:52,900 --> 00:10:53,700 drug. Different opinions. 199 00:10:53,700 --> 00:10:56,700 Here we have a very diverse staff young and old different 200 00:10:56,700 --> 00:10:59,300 perspectives, different backgrounds, different, passions 201 00:10:59,500 --> 00:11:02,000 and different opinions on different ways, of looking at 202 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,900 things, that's all great. Fantastic makes for lively. 203 00:11:04,900 --> 00:11:08,500 Conversations makes for lively staff meetings and it makes for 204 00:11:08,500 --> 00:11:11,200 a dynamic church. It's a beautiful thing. 205 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,000 It's it can be tiring and hard sometimes but it's not the kind 206 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,900 of division where my views more better than your view or like we 207 00:11:18,900 --> 00:11:21,400 listen to one another. We respect one another, we value 208 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,000 one another, and then when it comes down, And a decision is 209 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,300 made. And we all supported. 210 00:11:25,300 --> 00:11:27,200 I mean, obviously if it's a simple decision, we're not going 211 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,900 to support it if it's an unbiblical decision, but 212 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,100 preferences and that's one of the things that God gave us 213 00:11:33,100 --> 00:11:36,700 during the pandemic, was this inference, this emphasis on 214 00:11:36,700 --> 00:11:39,000 showing preference to one another, that was a big deal, 215 00:11:39,500 --> 00:11:43,500 but we'll get to that later. But one voice that one voice 216 00:11:43,700 --> 00:11:48,900 meant that on all of us, lay leaders staff members, we happen 217 00:11:48,900 --> 00:11:51,300 as a church. I know many people listening in 218 00:11:51,300 --> 00:11:52,900 may not be at a church where they have paid. 219 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,500 Staff. There was a time. 220 00:11:54,500 --> 00:11:57,000 We don't have paid staff either but we have paid staff here. 221 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,100 So when you hear paid staff, forgive me. 222 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,800 It could just mean your team. I actually like the word team 223 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,200 better because it doesn't matter if we're getting paid for this 224 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:05,900 or not. We're all in the same team. 225 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:11,700 So it on your team that one voice is important, and that one 226 00:12:11,700 --> 00:12:17,400 voice can't be compromising. You can't give lip service in 227 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,500 the staff meeting and then go have a different thing and try 228 00:12:20,500 --> 00:12:22,500 to undermine out. We all have to be agreeing 229 00:12:22,500 --> 00:12:26,200 because God's going to get us through this but not divisive 230 00:12:26,300 --> 00:12:30,200 and I thought you had talked about in a previous episode. 231 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,400 Communicating that communication piece of change. 232 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:38,200 Can you revisit that in the light of change in one voice and 233 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,100 what are your thoughts on good? Communication. 234 00:12:42,500 --> 00:12:47,100 Well, I think that when the Lord starts stirring in our hearts, 235 00:12:47,100 --> 00:12:50,000 if you're in a leadership capacity of any kind, whether 236 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,400 you're over your home or whether it's a work, or whether you're 237 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,600 in the ministry, there are times when God is stirring your heart 238 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:02,800 to a particular direction, particular New Vision and it's 239 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:07,300 important for those who are looking to you for leadership, 240 00:13:07,300 --> 00:13:12,100 what whether you're in the home or whatever to give them. 241 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:20,100 Her tunity to to process the new steps and, and even being a bit 242 00:13:20,100 --> 00:13:23,200 vulnerable. As you share saying, it wasn't 243 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,600 that, you know, I heard God speak from the clouds, but just 244 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:31,800 the process of how you came to that and maybe the battle that 245 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:36,500 was inside you in looking at it and the different concerns and 246 00:13:36,500 --> 00:13:43,300 things that that you had. But before you You communicate 247 00:13:43,700 --> 00:13:46,500 solidly, you have to have, it worked out on your own heart. 248 00:13:46,500 --> 00:13:53,200 At least the vision makes sense that it's from the Lord, and 249 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,500 whether it's a move, whether it's, you know, you're living in 250 00:13:56,500 --> 00:14:01,200 a particular State and is you're feeling like the Lord is working 251 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,800 with you to move to another state. 252 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:08,000 You need to process that internally, you need to talk 253 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:12,000 about it with those who are like a few stirs your spouse. 254 00:14:12,700 --> 00:14:16,000 Or in your leadership team before you ever present it to 255 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:23,700 the congregation because there's a process that we come to the 256 00:14:23,700 --> 00:14:26,800 place where we finally let go and release. 257 00:14:27,900 --> 00:14:31,300 But then when we communicate that, we have to grant that 258 00:14:31,300 --> 00:14:34,700 those people have to go through someone of the same process in 259 00:14:34,700 --> 00:14:36,700 their own hearts, and minds. And there's going to be all 260 00:14:36,700 --> 00:14:39,100 kinds of, you know what about what ifs. 261 00:14:39,100 --> 00:14:42,600 And I don't think that's right and all that, but But you just 262 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,400 got to catch it and be gracious. God deals with us graciously, 263 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,800 and we have to deal with others graciously even in the whole 264 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:55,100 communication process. I think that the mindset of I'm 265 00:14:55,100 --> 00:14:59,000 the leader and I tell you what to do is not very helpful in 266 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:05,500 change because they're that that is factual in many ways. 267 00:15:05,700 --> 00:15:09,800 A leader does have oversight responsibilities and a leader 268 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,900 does have the authority. To give direction. 269 00:15:13,900 --> 00:15:17,500 So there's factual too fat, there's facts to that statement, 270 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:22,100 but it's not truthful. God doesn't call dictators into 271 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,400 the ministry, he doesn't call, or is one of my pastor friends, 272 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,100 who's gone home to be with the Lord now, but he had him at a 273 00:15:29,108 --> 00:15:30,400 conference. So I could say it out loud. 274 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,100 Was Tom, Stipe that shared this with us because he said at a 275 00:15:33,108 --> 00:15:36,300 conference, you know, we, as pastors were more, like 276 00:15:36,300 --> 00:15:39,800 benevolent dictators. And I had never heard that 277 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,000 before, and I remember him saying that, yeah. 278 00:15:42,100 --> 00:15:46,000 And, and I'm like, no, no, we're not benevolent dictators, I 279 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,800 guess if you were and again, I talk to him personally about 280 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,600 this and and he explained that and want, you know, he liked to 281 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,700 say things for shock Factor at times. 282 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,000 He was such a I missed that brother, man. 283 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,900 He is, he would have been fun to do podcasts with. 284 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,100 I missed that guy, so at any rate, I talked to him about it 285 00:16:03,100 --> 00:16:06,400 and we learn, I learned his perspective, but that we're not 286 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:11,300 blind benevolent, dictators were benevolent servants, we're kind 287 00:16:11,300 --> 00:16:15,400 and helpful. And if we approach change from 288 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:20,600 the position of serving, those that will process the change and 289 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,000 go through the change, I think we'll get a lot farther than 290 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,700 just barking orders and telling them, this is the way it's going 291 00:16:27,700 --> 00:16:32,200 to be and it reminded me of Joshua what a what emotion what 292 00:16:32,500 --> 00:16:37,800 heaviness he's taking over from Moses his mentor is spiritual 293 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,500 leader. Paul would probably even call 294 00:16:39,500 --> 00:16:42,800 him a spiritual father. He's been in a Austin to him all 295 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:47,000 this time ups and downs. He's been a faithful man and he 296 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,000 is the man of the hour. He's the one that God is going 297 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,000 to use Moses. We know, theologically 298 00:16:53,100 --> 00:16:55,900 representing the law could not lead the children of Israel into 299 00:16:55,900 --> 00:16:59,400 the promised land. But Joshua representing Grace, 300 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,100 and Jesus. The Messiah to come would be the 301 00:17:02,100 --> 00:17:05,099 one we know all that, but he's still just a man, you know, 302 00:17:05,099 --> 00:17:07,000 we're reading and like, oh, it's all theological. 303 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:11,200 Yeah, but this is a dude, he's he's gonna lead all these people 304 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,300 out of Ring after a generation. So they're grieving and mourning 305 00:17:15,300 --> 00:17:17,800 that's something. That's not really spoke about in 306 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,800 the wilderness wandering. They're leaving the bones and 307 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,599 the bodies of their family in the wilderness, as they enter 308 00:17:25,599 --> 00:17:30,300 into not, just the promised land but fights and battles and it's 309 00:17:30,300 --> 00:17:34,200 likely he was in his 70s, dramatic, like someone else that 310 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:40,600 I know in his seventies. And, and, and so what we see in 311 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,300 Joshua 3 though and we're not going to Exegete the whole text. 312 00:17:43,300 --> 00:17:50,300 But what we see in Joshua 3 is that Joshua goes to God, he 313 00:17:50,300 --> 00:17:54,800 receives his direction from God. And then he's, he communicates 314 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,800 with God, and then he communicates with his elders and 315 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,300 then he communicates with the people and there is clear 316 00:18:02,300 --> 00:18:04,300 communication all the way around. 317 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,900 It wasn't merely. I know what to do. 318 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,200 You guys need to do this and just but there was a process. 319 00:18:11,100 --> 00:18:14,100 He talks about the people getting ready and then the Lord 320 00:18:14,100 --> 00:18:17,100 speaks to him this day. I'm going to exalt you and then 321 00:18:17,100 --> 00:18:20,800 he gives to the people go come here and hear the words of the 322 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:25,100 Lord in verse 9. And he reminds them that God's 323 00:18:25,100 --> 00:18:29,600 with them, that God's not going to fail to drive out from before 324 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,100 them, the Canaanites. So take for yourselves 12 men 325 00:18:33,500 --> 00:18:36,800 from the tribes and as soon as I start come to pass, he gives the 326 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,100 whole Direction. And then he speaks, I think in 327 00:18:40,108 --> 00:18:43,300 this is really Gordon when it comes to communicating change. 328 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:47,200 So goal kind of fully. Let's go back to the one voice 329 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,300 part. In order to have one voice to 330 00:18:50,300 --> 00:18:54,100 those that you lead, you have to have one voice in your time 331 00:18:54,100 --> 00:18:55,300 together. Yeah. 332 00:18:55,300 --> 00:18:58,700 So there had to be clear communication with the team here 333 00:18:59,100 --> 00:19:00,500 constantly. It was exhausting. 334 00:19:00,700 --> 00:19:03,000 I mean, if you talk to Pastor Everett, I mean everybody it 335 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,100 does it wasn't. I know some people experience it 336 00:19:05,100 --> 00:19:08,600 differently but you talked to Pastor it was exhausting it. 337 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:09,900 I don't know how the brother got through it. 338 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,200 I mean, it's supernatural. Cyril, and many of us are know 339 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,400 how we all went through. It all got through it but I 340 00:19:14,408 --> 00:19:18,200 mean, for him he did carry a large load as our one of our 341 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:23,000 administrative pastors here that we decided and he agreed that he 342 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,300 would be the singular source for all the hard questions he would 343 00:19:26,300 --> 00:19:28,800 end. And so he was the senior Source, 344 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,300 we would then talk about them but nothing would go out without 345 00:19:32,300 --> 00:19:34,800 processing with Pastor Everett to make. 346 00:19:35,100 --> 00:19:37,400 You could say we didn't say it back then, but you could say 347 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:43,200 Pastor ever, it was anointed the Ability to craft the one voice 348 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:44,700 for us, right? To me. 349 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,400 That's the distribution of Grace. 350 00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:48,800 Yes. Because of the need whenever is 351 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:53,000 that there is a need that is like, comes upon you. 352 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,700 God's grace is already way ahead of that. 353 00:19:56,100 --> 00:20:00,200 And his grace is, what makes its efficient and provides it for 354 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,700 that hour for that need. That's a good. 355 00:20:03,700 --> 00:20:06,200 That's a good encouragement to someone listening that you're 356 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,700 overwhelmed with new responsibilities, new kids, new 357 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,500 New job. And there is a there is a 358 00:20:13,508 --> 00:20:17,000 specific Grace that God gives to meet the hour. 359 00:20:17,300 --> 00:20:19,800 And so God is with you and looking back. 360 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,700 I don't know that even looking back to the first time I met 361 00:20:23,700 --> 00:20:26,900 Everett in our church, when he started coming to his church to 362 00:20:26,900 --> 00:20:29,500 our church, all the way up from Brighton, driving all the way 363 00:20:29,500 --> 00:20:31,400 up. You know, miles and miles to 364 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,400 come to church here that got we would even know the kind of 365 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,500 important role that he would have here. 366 00:20:37,500 --> 00:20:41,900 But from the one voice a behind that was Station among us. 367 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:46,100 And that some of those times were really hard because the and 368 00:20:46,100 --> 00:20:49,800 we're talking in the context of this particular podcast, the 369 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:56,000 pandemic of 2020 2021, in the 2022 that we didn't know what 370 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,200 was going on. So you had so many different 371 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,800 things happening all at once and then there were racial tensions 372 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:06,600 and there were Financial thing, it was I don't even maybe we 373 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,800 won't even know all the stuff that we went through until we're 374 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,600 in eternity. But if we were going to 375 00:21:11,608 --> 00:21:14,600 communicate with one voice, then behind the scenes, we had to 376 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,600 have hard discussions. We had to have an openness, we 377 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,000 had to have a freedom of expression on discussion. 378 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,700 We had to be able to listen to contrary views. 379 00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:27,100 I think we've always had that environment here but it's only 380 00:21:27,100 --> 00:21:32,000 growing only expanding. Because if we are going to 381 00:21:32,300 --> 00:21:37,600 communicate the same thing, then we all have to generally agree 382 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,400 about the same thing or at least have buy into it. 383 00:21:40,700 --> 00:21:43,600 Then the communication, then the communication is at our, we 384 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:51,000 clearly communicating, what was expressed Among Us that, in this 385 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,200 case, the change was imposed upon us, but it works for 386 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,300 anything if I've got speaks to my heart as a pastor and I bring 387 00:21:56,300 --> 00:21:57,800 a change, we go through the same process. 388 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,200 We talked about it. We never talked about one voice 389 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,700 but we do know we talked about it, we input about it. 390 00:22:04,700 --> 00:22:07,500 But this is what I think the Lord's doing this is how Joshua 391 00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:09,100 is this? What I think the Lord wants to 392 00:22:09,108 --> 00:22:10,700 do this, is what he's done in the past. 393 00:22:10,708 --> 00:22:12,600 The past. This is what he said to me. 394 00:22:12,700 --> 00:22:15,100 This is how it's good. This is what we're going to do. 395 00:22:15,100 --> 00:22:19,400 But he addressed each of the group's, he addressed, he got 396 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,600 his word from God. There was a Collective 397 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,600 Agreement, I can't help. But think of the New Covenant 398 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,200 example in Acts 15 such a watershed event for the early 399 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,000 church. The big question. 400 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,700 It was really do we circumcised Gentiles. 401 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,300 I was a pretty big question and there was much discourse and 402 00:22:36,300 --> 00:22:39,900 debate on that topic, but James the singular leader of the 403 00:22:39,900 --> 00:22:41,700 church collectively. Lee with the elders and 404 00:22:41,700 --> 00:22:43,800 apostles. He says, okay. 405 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,800 So what we're going to do and we all agreed. 406 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,100 Yeah. And there was there was a that 407 00:22:49,100 --> 00:22:52,200 we all agreed. But it doesn't necessarily mean 408 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,400 everyone had full agreement. It's just that. 409 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,700 Okay? We talked it out and this we are 410 00:22:58,700 --> 00:23:00,400 going to agree with this decision. 411 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,900 We think it's from the Lord, and we're willing to lay aside. 412 00:23:03,900 --> 00:23:07,800 Even if I don't agree right now, I'm willing to lay aside, what I 413 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:12,300 think is, right? And I trust You and I trust us, 414 00:23:12,300 --> 00:23:14,700 trust is a big deal. It is a big deal and 415 00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:19,700 communication builds the trust is, are there any failures in 416 00:23:19,700 --> 00:23:23,900 your posture it in Phoenix that you can think of as we wind down 417 00:23:23,900 --> 00:23:27,100 because we're coming up to the end, these podcasts go so fast. 418 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,700 But is there a particular failure? 419 00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:32,200 Like when one of the one I'm thinking is you know, was there 420 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,300 something that you really learned from like God used it 421 00:23:35,300 --> 00:23:37,100 and, you know, you can't help but have failures but there was 422 00:23:37,100 --> 00:23:40,100 something you really learned from that change the way you 423 00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:41,300 communicate. A change. 424 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:47,700 I think when there are times I made a snap decision and it was 425 00:23:47,700 --> 00:23:53,000 made made sense to me and I just imposed it and I heard a few 426 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,100 people through the process and it could have been different. 427 00:23:56,300 --> 00:24:02,000 And I think seeing the aftereffect of How I did it 428 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,900 cause the pain and it caused me to rethink. 429 00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:13,000 I mean even in my home, with my wife just because I'm convinced 430 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,600 of something, you know she's a part of our team at her at the 431 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:24,000 home and I've learned over you know 52 years that you know it's 432 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:30,800 like You know, you're going to create your own drama, if you 433 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,000 don't just process it, right? And help her through it and she 434 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,700 may never agree. I mean, she named she and you 435 00:24:37,700 --> 00:24:40,100 have to consider it. Well, maybe her points or more 436 00:24:40,100 --> 00:24:45,000 valid than your dream. So, you've got to be humble 437 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:50,200 enough to, to try to say. Okay, what's good for the for 438 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:55,400 the entire group? What's good for the the unit for 439 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,700 the team? And so something may be a real 440 00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:04,100 great possibility and yet it's not time, it may be a great 441 00:25:04,100 --> 00:25:08,100 idea, but the timing is off and the Lord's, using your spouse to 442 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,900 put the brakes on and to put the anchor down and you're going, 443 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,500 you know, why are you resisting me? 444 00:25:13,700 --> 00:25:17,500 And instead, God is using it to try to slow you down. 445 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,900 Not to not that. It's a bad idea but it's just 446 00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:26,100 not time. I think that using the seeing 447 00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:30,100 the end result of hurt is really important to hear because when 448 00:25:30,100 --> 00:25:34,200 we do make mistakes, we're talking about people here that 449 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,600 not functional things that the corporate world might think of 450 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,900 finances and shareholder value, and stakeholder value. 451 00:25:42,900 --> 00:25:44,800 And I remember all those meetings I had to go through, 452 00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:49,100 but in my role in the corporate world, I was the closest of our 453 00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:51,800 management team, to the people, like I was dirt. 454 00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:55,600 Directly responsible for over. And then every layer above me 455 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,300 was farther and farther and farther. 456 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,400 So that the farther you are from the people, the more prone, your 457 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,500 mistakes will be or the more prone you will be to make 458 00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:08,100 decisions that a mistake WIll greatly hurt people. 459 00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:11,700 Because Jesus said that we're to Shepherd, the flock of God or 460 00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:15,800 Peter said to Shepherd, the flock of God that is among you 461 00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:19,300 and we must remember that we're sheep to. 462 00:26:19,700 --> 00:26:20,800 Yeah. And that. 463 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,500 That's where these Episodes, just when you think about, I 464 00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:27,900 think every pastor and leader will and even a servant that's 465 00:26:27,900 --> 00:26:30,700 made a mistake in the environment of the church or 466 00:26:30,700 --> 00:26:32,900 anywhere for that matter would equate. 467 00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:35,800 That the thing that sticks them the most wasn't that dumb 468 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,500 decision. It was the hurt that came, 469 00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:39,300 right? And I know early on, in the 470 00:26:39,300 --> 00:26:43,900 ministry here as God was growing me, some of my decisions did 471 00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:48,400 hurt people and sometimes they hurt people beyond the person 472 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:54,100 wasn't mature enough or the person wasn't Aunt didn't have a 473 00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:58,400 real relationship with the Lord enough to forgive and, and then 474 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,900 they without forgiveness and bitterness sets in and all. 475 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,900 But hurting people is, we're dealing with people's lives. 476 00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:09,200 These are these are people that, that when we come to serve, they 477 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,500 want to worship God. They're not numbers. 478 00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:15,100 They're not members, they're not. 479 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:18,300 And I heard this in a Pastors conference. 480 00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:21,800 They're not giving units. I mean, who in the world? 481 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,300 Did Dad giving unit. I mean, how can you, how can you 482 00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:29,300 make a person only worth, what they give whatever they call 483 00:27:29,300 --> 00:27:32,500 them bums and bucks? And I don't know what that. 484 00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:35,900 Yeah. We even had heard so many things 485 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,000 but they're people and just like I'm a person just like in our 486 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:44,600 wives and our our husbands and and are even those of you that 487 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,500 are single like learning and God even in your singleness, where 488 00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:51,800 you get to make a lot of decisions for yourself, you can 489 00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:55,400 Either God putting you on a team at church or helping having you 490 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,600 partner with others at work that God is teaching you these things 491 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,700 even while you're still single and God is teaching you how to 492 00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:04,300 better serve him and better better lie. 493 00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:08,700 That's why servanthood Always Trump's leadership because 494 00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:14,100 servanthood keeps the focus on Jesus washing feet. 495 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:20,400 Would Jesus coming to die? Jesus, sacrificing himself for 496 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,300 others. Whereas Leadership is is 497 00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:25,300 important. Topic is I think it is the 498 00:28:25,300 --> 00:28:30,400 church world has made leadership over and above pastoring, and 499 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,700 pastoring is care. You know, Pat a Shepherd isn't 500 00:28:33,700 --> 00:28:36,000 necessarily leading his sheep all the time. 501 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,900 A Shepherd is taking care of his sheep to making sure they're 502 00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:44,400 well cared for well fed. Well taken care of. 503 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,000 Yeah, that's the tending tending, you know feed my sheep 504 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,300 or feed my Lambs. Tend my sheep. 505 00:28:50,300 --> 00:28:51,400 That's right. Feed my sheep. 506 00:28:51,900 --> 00:28:54,000 Ting takes the most work. Yeah. 507 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,200 And becomes the most painful and the sometimes, the most 508 00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,700 frustrating. Yes. 509 00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:03,200 Well, we're coming to the end of another episode and we're so 510 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,600 glad that you've chosen to join us. 511 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,600 And you subscribe to it, make sure that you post these things 512 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:14,800 on your social media and give us feedback, email me, Ed Ed Ed, 513 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,500 Taylor dot-org. And if you have a topic you want 514 00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:21,500 us to cover in this season for the most part. 515 00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:24,100 If we Make it happen. Before some of the travels 516 00:29:24,100 --> 00:29:27,400 Pastor Bob has we're going to try to have Bob in here for 517 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,800 every episode. If not all I will respond in 518 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:35,500 some other way to see if I will whatever will finish the season 519 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,500 one way or the other, but we have Pastor Bob Clay camp with 520 00:29:38,500 --> 00:29:39,700 us. That's who's been talking with 521 00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:42,800 me. He is a pastor on our team here, 522 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,300 but he's also a senior pastor for many years at Calvary, North 523 00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:50,400 Phoenix senior, pastor and Exeter England missionary. 524 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,600 Pastor founding pastor. Aster, he's now with the 525 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:59,100 ministry called poimen po imn. We're in these latter years of 526 00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:02,300 ministry. He is being used in Dynamic 527 00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:03,800 ways. He's been all over Colorado. 528 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,600 He's at a different church every week. 529 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,100 I'm so where's Bob, where's Bob? He's at a different church. 530 00:30:08,100 --> 00:30:12,300 Every week serving supporting giving pastors a chance to take 531 00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:16,100 a break, maybe even just going to worship and take a pastor off 532 00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:19,400 for lunch and and meet his wife and see how they Lord's doing in 533 00:30:19,408 --> 00:30:21,800 the church. He can do assessments, he can do 534 00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:26,000 Do a lot of things if his schedule permit and he can be 535 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,500 reached here at the church as well. 536 00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:32,000 You can go to his website, Bob Clay, Camp.com Bob Clay 537 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,400 Camp.com, But be sure. 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