1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,560 Welcome to today's broadcast of Lead to Serve, a leadership 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:13,000 podcast with Ed Taylor. Hey, welcome again to another 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,640 edition of the. Lead to Serve podcast. 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,040 My name is Ed Taylor. I'm a pastor here. 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,440 At Calvary Church in. Aurora, Co and the host of. 6 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,520 Lead to serve started. It many years ago. 7 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:30,400 This podcast to. Talk about ministry and life and 8 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,840 leadership and I want to say thank you to the response that 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,520 you've given the emails, the text messages, they come in very 10 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,480 regularly and we're. Very grateful. 11 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:43,520 For them, we want you to connect with you. 12 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,920 We want you to know you're part of the family here. 13 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,760 We're all growing together. And if you wonder. 14 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,000 The what? The heart of the podcast. 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,600 Is it's not just to help you grow in your servant leadership, 16 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,560 but it's to invite you into a conversation talking about 17 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,320 different topics you. Can suggest the topics. 18 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:05,319 This season, our topics are mostly what has been suggested. 19 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,760 All the texts I, I I take the. Texts and the emails and I. 20 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,600 Keep a separate list. Of the topics and I just jot 21 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,360 them down. By the time we come to a new 22 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:20,000 season, we list them out and this is unscripted and we have 23 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,960 the title, we have a few notes what we're going to be talking 24 00:01:23,960 --> 00:01:26,200 about, but it's not. Scripted, so it's a. 25 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,360 Discussion like you were coming into the office with. 26 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,560 US. On this season, again we have 27 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,760 Pastor Bob Klaykamp. Bob, welcome. 28 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,160 Great to be here. It's been good to. 29 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,720 Add to have. You as an addition to add you to 30 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,440 this podcast to bounce off. Ideas. 31 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:48,080 You have 55 zero. Plus years of ministry and you 32 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,120 can look back on those. First few years. 33 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:51,800 If you were looking back just on those. 34 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,960 First few years, let's say the first five. 35 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,520 Yeah, of ministry. You. 36 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,360 See tremendous growth, you see incremental growth. 37 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,800 What do you, if you look back on the first five years, compared? 38 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:04,640 To the last five years of your life. 39 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,880 Recently, what's the first thing that pops into your mind? 40 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,280 I know this is a pop question, but what? 41 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,120 Do you think immaturity? Those early days. 42 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,680 Oh yeah, I was 18 when I got saved. 43 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:21,080 Went right into Christian house. We got married at 18. 44 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,440 And because I was married, they figured I knew what I was doing 45 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,960 and they put me in charge. And so I ran two of those 46 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:32,800 Christian houses that you see on the movie Jesus Revolution. 47 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:38,120 And I was just trying to make it work it plus it's hard. 48 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,840 I mean, you're, you're a brand new married couple and you're a 49 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,840 house full of 20 single people and you're trying to work out 50 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,600 your marriage issues and they're always like eyes and ears and 51 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,840 checking you out. And you got to argue while 52 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,760 you're going for a walk because you can't argue while 53 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,280 everybody's there. And it was hard. 54 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,960 It was hard on a marriage. Immaturity is a key that might 55 00:02:59,960 --> 00:03:04,760 be a topic going forward. Immaturity needs to be 56 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,880 acknowledged in those early days, even though we have such a 57 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,880 zeal when I think of. Those first five years. 58 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,040 I have 25I. Really have about 30. 59 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:17,120 Years of experience. You have 50 25 here pastoring 60 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:18,920 in. Colorado, but those early. 61 00:03:18,920 --> 00:03:24,560 Days the the The phrase that pops into my mind is zeal 62 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:26,680 without knowledge. Absolutely. 63 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,960 Zeal. Without knowledge and I. 64 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,120 Was so excited. About being. 65 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,240 Saved. I was so excited about. 66 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,120 My life being changed. That I. 67 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,360 Really didn't wait for anyone to tell me anything. 68 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,000 If I read something in the Bible, I just. 69 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,440 Did it? But I did it wrong, or I did it 70 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:49,600 incorrectly or I like a bull in a China China cabinet just 71 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,000 breaking everything I. Had the I, I. 72 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,520 Really wanted to love God I I wanted to I was almost like 73 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,720 trying to make up for all the. Years I threw away. 74 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,080 And and God matures you. So again, that could be a topic 75 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,080 somewhere else. I want to build though now that 76 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,200 we have. Bob Bob, by the way, is. 77 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,840 Leading a new ministry called Mission Assist Ministries. 78 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,280 God's using him and him and his wife Jeannie in wonderful. 79 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:18,160 Ways they help churches. Around the world you can contact 80 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,160 him at his. Website Bob Clay. 81 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:26,840 Camp.com, bobclaycamp.com, I and you can always contact me. 82 00:04:26,840 --> 00:04:28,800 Here at the church, Ed Taylor dot. 83 00:04:28,840 --> 00:04:33,360 Org I know he's got a.com, ivegota.org and you have to have 84 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,320 it right because the Ed taylor.com is a professional 85 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,720 Santa Claus and he doesn't forward emails anymore he. 86 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,400 Used to forward. Emails. 87 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,200 He doesn't forward them to me anymore. 88 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,240 We're going to put that guy in the naughty list. 89 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:49,400 So today's topic. Here we go. 90 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,560 Today's topic, let's not get. Too off track here. 91 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,440 We talked in our. First episode about God. 92 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,320 Being our defense and he is and accusations and rumors and the 93 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,520 pain, today we're going to broaden the topic and talk about 94 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,440 the enemy's. Attacks spiritual warfare. 95 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:14,120 The importance of understanding how how the enemy like seems to 96 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,720 attack at the opportune time. He goes for our places of 97 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,720 strength. He. 98 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,400 You he. Gets us at the. 99 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,760 Times where we least. Expected that. 100 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,400 That sort of thing. But let's. 101 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,880 Start with this. Statement The statement is it is 102 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,360 normal to experience spiritual. Attacks. 103 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,400 In your Christian life, what do you think about that, Bob? 104 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,040 Absolutely. It's biblical, but you can't 105 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,720 spiritualize everything that goes wrong. 106 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,200 There are times where the Ephesians 6 talks about the evil 107 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:57,400 day and in the evil day. And so let me just read that 108 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:04,240 here in Ephesians chapter 6 and going here to Ephesians 6 in my 109 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:12,400 Bible, and we see here it says finally, my brethren, this is 110 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,960 Ephesians 6 verse 10. Finally, my brethren, be strong 111 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,840 in the Lord and in the power of His might. 112 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,560 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand 113 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,960 against the Wiles of the devil. But we do not wrestle against 114 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:33,360 flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, 115 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,200 against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against 116 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,480 spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 117 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:46,240 Therefore big therefore take up the whole armor of God that you 118 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:52,680 may able to may be able to withstand in the evil day and 119 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:57,880 having done all to stand. And personally, I see the evil 120 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:06,440 day as a time when it seems to be a perfect storm where it's 121 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,840 it's not just a thought that comes in or it's not just I had 122 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:15,240 a flat tire or, you know, maybe I'm going to lose my job. 123 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:20,840 No, it's a combination of things that just come in at once where 124 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,680 it's the enemy coming on all fronts. 125 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:28,000 Maybe you're tired, maybe you're getting I'll, maybe you've been 126 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,560 accused. Maybe all this comes at once and 127 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,440 you can know that it's it's really the enemy's effort to 128 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,800 tear you down and to divide and conquer in your life. 129 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,280 The the context of. The Believer. 130 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,600 This is a. Podcast that. 131 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,840 Comes from a Christian perspective, from a follower. 132 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,280 Of Jesus perspective. I'm thinking as you're talking, 133 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,760 Bob, that the moment you wake up into consciousness every morning 134 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:02,000 with the motive of pleasing God, you are met with resistance. 135 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,120 Just that simple motive. You're not even doing anything 136 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,240 yet. You haven't even brushed your 137 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,800 teeth, taking a shower, gotten ready for the day, but on your 138 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,640 mind. Is the worship of God. 139 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,520 And stepping into not only do you are you desiring to worship 140 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,720 God and honor God And again, this this doesn't mean these are 141 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,880 formal, all completely formed thoughts where you're sitting. 142 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,080 At the side of your bed. I am ready. 143 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,640 To please God today. This is the atmosphere of our 144 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:28,920 life. Where we. 145 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,000 We may have a long day today. We may not have gotten very good 146 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,480 sleep. We may, We may. 147 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:34,440 Walk. Wake up. 148 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:40,679 You know, in a, in a, in a fog, or just wondering what the day's 149 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,240 going to bring. But the reality? 150 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,000 Is is that in our heart of hearts? 151 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,720 We're ready to serve. We're ready to help. 152 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,840 We're ready to love. We're ready to be used of God. 153 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:48,480 We are. Open. 154 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,800 We're going to read our Bible. We're going to pray even if we 155 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:55,000 do it on the way in, we have the Bible audio on our car or we're 156 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,560 praying while we're driving. Just that. 157 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,520 Draws the attention of. Spiritual warfare. 158 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,720 And as we've learned. The Bible teaches us that we 159 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,200 have a. Threefold enemy. 160 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,920 So the while the topic is like spiritual. 161 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,640 Warfare, and especially against leaders, and there is a we'll 162 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,160 get to this in a little. Bit, but there's a. 163 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,200 A special unique warfare, I think that goes to leaders to 164 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,960 tear them down, right? I strike the shepherd. 165 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,840 And the sheep will. Scatter but the the. 166 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,800 Sense of. How the devil gets. 167 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,600 Blamed for a lot of things that he actually has nothing to do 168 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,120 with directly. Maybe indirectly, but not. 169 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,680 Directly like the spiritual battle is your. 170 00:09:34,680 --> 00:09:36,720 Flesh. I mean, most of the time it's 171 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,320 your flesh. It's my response. 172 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,720 Or the. World system drawing us into the 173 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:46,040 flesh but ultimately we are responsible for every simple 174 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:50,320 decision that comes from our lives and that is where the 175 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,080 enemy's wanting to take he in particular because. 176 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:55,640 This is a very. Broad topic, but in. 177 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,320 Particular for this episode. For our time right now, I want 178 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,240 everyone listening to me. I want you to know this is that 179 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:06,040 there is a uniqueness about the battle and warfare. 180 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,360 That spiritual warfare, that. You're in as a. 181 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,160 Leader, because of the people that you are. 182 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,280 Connected with and the difference that you will make 183 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,840 for the Kingdom and there is. You you have to realize. 184 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,960 This and remember it and and even praying, putting on the 185 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,280 spiritual armor in the morning asking God to protect you 186 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,160 because you don't. Just have the desire you are 187 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,080 also. In you're in the thick of 188 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,680 serving the Lord and giving your. 189 00:10:34,680 --> 00:10:39,040 Life as a place of service. So let's go through, Bob, Let's 190 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,760 go through. You'll say one, I'll say one. 191 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,560 We'll see if we can go back and forth here. 192 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,440 What are areas specific areas of attack? 193 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,760 That the enemy goes after in a leader's. 194 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,960 Life What do you. A sense of oppression. 195 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:53,920 Oppression. So what? 196 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,960 That like go to the that's the that that's. 197 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:58,640 The broader one go to. The target what? 198 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,120 What? In oppression, what do you think 199 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:02,680 of when you? Discouragement. 200 00:11:02,680 --> 00:11:04,120 Discouragement. So tell us, talk about 201 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:11,040 discouragement. Oh, OK, You have usually it, it 202 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,280 comes when you had a preconceived idea that you 203 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,320 thought was pretty good and the Lord should honor it and you 204 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:23,360 went to carry it out and it completely fell apart or someone 205 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,080 came against you and said, that's the dumbest thing I ever 206 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,480 heard. And then all of a sudden you're 207 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,240 going, what is it? Why can't I, Why can't I impart? 208 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,280 I mean, all of a sudden you start beating yourself down or 209 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,680 people leave and they don't communicate when they left. 210 00:11:38,680 --> 00:11:42,600 They don't. It's just random ghosting and 211 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:46,880 you're thinking, how come? How can I be so clueless? 212 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,600 And you start beating yourself up, and then the discouragement 213 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,840 comes as a result. Here's another attack. 214 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,480 I'll go 1. You go one Inadequacy. 215 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,840 The enemy wants to make you feel like you are inadequate. 216 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,280 For the task, which actually has a little bit of truth to it. 217 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:04,560 Because we are inadequate. To the task. 218 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:08,240 But God is our adequacy so. You're sitting back, I think of. 219 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,600 I was also going to follow up. I'm thinking that when I'm 220 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,080 discouraged sitting in my office. 221 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,520 Discouraged. I am beating myself up. 222 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:17,320 I'm living in my own head. I am. 223 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,160 Little by little. In that discouragement 'cause. 224 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,120 There it it. Discouragement's real. 225 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,960 It's a real emotion I you can feel. 226 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,880 Bad. You can feel bad about a 227 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:32,120 situation about, you know, I I think of the enemy's attack and 228 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,320 then discouragement when you teach a Bible study and you're 229 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,040 like, that was the. Worst Bible study I've ever 230 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,160 heard I've ever taught. But then the that, that's one 231 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,200 feeling. But then when somebody e-mail 232 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,720 emails you and says. That's the worst Bible study 233 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,840 you've ever taught You're. Like, Oh my goodness, I I just 234 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,200 remember early on. This was a big. 235 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:54,400 Place in my life where I remember early on driving home 236 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,760 from church once because there was some criticism on my Bible 237 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,160 study and and and I could have definitely done better in that. 238 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,400 Bible study but. Just thinking, I don't think I 239 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,200 can do this. I don't think I can teach. 240 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,080 A good Bible study. Every week and and that's if 241 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:08,840 that's what's needed, I don't think. 242 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,640 I think I moved to Colorado and I never should have come here 243 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,000 because I can't teach a good Bible. 244 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,520 Study every week. And and you just now you're just 245 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,960 bummed out all the way home until the Lord says, Ed, I 246 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,800 choose the foolish things of the world that confound the wise and 247 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,640 this inadequacy. Also, is a, is a. 248 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,560 Similar attack and discouragement. 249 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:31,680 Like you loser. You'll never amount to anything. 250 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,600 You didn't amount to anything in the world and here even people 251 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:35,960 are telling you and now you know you. 252 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:37,360 You feel you. You. 253 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,600 Have somebody you know the enemies or your mind, your 254 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,000 flush, it's just an. Attack where it's like. 255 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,760 Yeah, this guy came up and said I'm a loser and I guess I am a 256 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:50,040 loser and and so I want to quit. So we've got discouragement, 257 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:51,720 inadequacy. What's the next one? 258 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,840 What do you think? It would be tiredness. 259 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,360 Tiredness. So let's talk about it. 260 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,960 What do you think? You have, you're not taking 261 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:02,120 breaks. You're not, you're burning the 262 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,600 candle at both ends. You're thinking that I am going 263 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,400 to work, work, work, work. And I know it's all going to 264 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,760 come out right and all this effort is worth it. 265 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:17,160 And you don't realize that you're not your, your knife is 266 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:22,480 dull because you haven't taken time to to rehone it. 267 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,680 And how do you rehone the sharpness? 268 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,840 You come before the Lord and get His perspective. 269 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,560 Read His word, be honest and open. 270 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,160 That's how you sharpen the knife. 271 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:40,640 And if you don't take times to rest, because Sabbath's are of 272 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:44,760 the whole Sabbath idea of rest coming to Me, all you that labor 273 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,240 not have been laden, and I will give you rest. 274 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,720 But you've got to take the yoke. You've got to learn of Him. 275 00:14:53,840 --> 00:15:00,920 His yoke is fitting, but just think of it as honing that knife 276 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:06,320 because the Lord wants you sharp, but he also knows that in 277 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:11,840 the use, sometimes you're not the sharpest knife in the in the 278 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,240 drawer and you got to take time to to sharpen it. 279 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,320 I, no, so as I'm listening to this, I don't think tiredness is 280 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:25,480 an attack of the enemy at all. He uses it as a platform. 281 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,120 I think tiredness is our own or working ourselves to the end of 282 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:33,120 the ground is our own mistake. And that becomes a vulnerability 283 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:40,160 for the enemy to attack. Because the, the, the sense of I 284 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:41,800 think I'm the only one that can do this. 285 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:43,240 I'm the only one that can do it right. 286 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,640 Perfectionism. If I don't do it, nobody will do 287 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,320 it. It's a real big. 288 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,920 Problem with pastors, this, this is a huge one with pastors, but 289 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,200 it's not exclusive to pastors. But guys just think they're the 290 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,280 only ones. And then, and then, before you 291 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:02,160 know it, in tiredness, the home. Gets affected the kids, get 292 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,960 affected the people. That are serving alongside a 293 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,080 brother like. That also get affected. 294 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:12,400 Because now you know that you're, you're starting to emote 295 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,200 all of your emotions and project them on other people. 296 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,160 And why aren't you doing enough? You're not doing enough. 297 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,960 You know they're resting and you're working and you're 298 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,120 measuring their their rest. By your work. 299 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,760 And it just breaks relationship with the the pattern is 6 and 300 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,200 one. We live in a culture. 301 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,440 That actually gives you. Five and two, and again, this 302 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,520 may be another. Episode altogether as we talked 303 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,200 through this thought, but the the. 304 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:46,720 Role of a leader is challenging because it's hard to turn things 305 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,920 off when you're resting. You have to, really. 306 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:55,360 Discipline yourself to rest and in the era of a phone in your 307 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,920 pocket and always on and always answering and always looking 308 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:01,400 and. Always you. 309 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,360 You. You even should. 310 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:08,280 Add to your life that you would. Fast not just food, but social 311 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,960 media and phone and everything so you can so you can truly have 312 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:18,480 a real physical, mental, emotional time of rest. 313 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,560 Regularly. Yeah. 314 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,119 And there are some rationalizations we come up 315 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:25,720 with. Well, I just want to provide for 316 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,960 my family. And so you work all the 317 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,080 overtime, you work, you work, you work, you work. 318 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,600 And I'm just in your mind, you're doing what's right. 319 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,720 Because after all, the family is going to get the money that they 320 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:41,400 need and you're missing the component of witness being with 321 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,480 them. And I, I've talked to so many 322 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,240 over the years that have used that rationalization and all of 323 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:52,400 a sudden they find out that the wife has gone off with somebody 324 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,640 or, you know, the kids are going off the rails and they're going, 325 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,960 what's wrong with my family? I'm taking care of them. 326 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,240 No, you're not. You're not wholly taking care of 327 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,000 them. You're OK, You're providing. 328 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,760 But it's more than just money. And the enemy uses that 329 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:12,680 rationalization and wears you down and then accuses you. 330 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:17,080 And actually, some of it's true. As we were talking earlier, it 331 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,560 doesn't even have to be someone else accusing you the whole 332 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,680 situation of. Let let's just. 333 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:26,480 Stop before everything explodes and blows up and reassess your 334 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,560 life in the moment. It's so important. 335 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,120 I I did this happened to me in the corporate world when I was 336 00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:34,560 working in the corporate world, very demanding job better and 337 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,720 also in ministry when I started serving at the church. 338 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:42,800 Where I I had a high value. Of being there for my kids and 339 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,040 my family, I. That was a high value. 340 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:49,000 I didn't grow up that way. In my home, my home, my parents 341 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,920 were always working in a way, and I was. 342 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:52,760 What they called a. Latchkey kid. 343 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,320 I wasn't. My parents weren't very present 344 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,000 in that sense. They worked a. 345 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:02,400 Lot and I was alone a lot when I had my own family and as a 346 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,680 believer, presence was very important. 347 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:09,280 However. I interpreted as physical 348 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:13,720 presence, so I was around a lot, but I wasn't always around 349 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:18,560 emotionally or paying attention or especially when they invented 350 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,320 the phone. But I also. 351 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,280 Before the phone I. Always had a latest. 352 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,040 Computer, I was always working on things, I was always doing 353 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:26,880 something, but I have this image. 354 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,680 There's one image in particular, but it. 355 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,640 Covers a. Lot of different times where I 356 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:36,520 took my daughter out to play in the park, push her on the swing 357 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,480 and I was pushing her on the swing, but I was also on the 358 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,480 phone at the same time. And so she's done with the swing 359 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,640 and then she runs over and she runs over and, and I, I really 360 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,120 wasn't. If it was only 15 minutes, she 361 00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:50,560 was done and we went back into the house. 362 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,840 It wasn't even that much time. But it. 363 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,560 My I interpreted. That as I was with her, but was 364 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:58,080 I? Really. 365 00:19:58,080 --> 00:19:59,040 I was talking. Who knows? 366 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:00,840 I don't even know what. I was put it. 367 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,040 This way. Here's the context. 368 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,400 I have no idea. Right now I have an image in my 369 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,240 mind. I remember it photographing 370 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,240 memory. I remember pushing her. 371 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,840 I remember her having fun. I remember her enjoying her time 372 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,400 at the park. I remember her. 373 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:16,800 I have no idea who I was on the phone with. 374 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,560 I don't even know what I was talking about. 375 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,240 I don't know what I thought was so. 376 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,280 Important that I could. Do both, and we talked about 377 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,760 this in an earlier. Episode last. 378 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:29,280 Season this doing multitasking and being no, no, no, no, I 379 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,640 don't know what I would. I don't have any clue the person 380 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,920 that was on the phone or how important that was or I thought, 381 00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:38,360 but I remember my daughter and now you guys listening, 382 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,280 listening in. At this stage in your life, it 383 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:43,640 is important. This is an. 384 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:48,880 Area of attack. Where if you don't rest and 385 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,560 you're not present, then the enemy's going to use it against 386 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,800 you and you'll have regrets later on. 387 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,680 You don't want that. You don't want let me give me 388 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,040 another one. So we'll go a couple more 389 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,760 because we're almost out of time. 390 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,880 Here's an area of attack the enemy wants to make you. 391 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:03,480 Feel like you're. Alone. 392 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:11,840 Alone I, I think immediately of Elijah when he was running away 393 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,480 from the accusation of Jezebel. It's only me. 394 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,360 It's only me. That's a. 395 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:19,920 Horrible feeling to have. I think again of those in 396 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,720 leadership serving as a pastor. Or a leader and. 397 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,320 And you're like, I've got so much to do and nobody wants to 398 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,080 help me. And nobody showed up and nobody. 399 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,840 And you feel alone. Nobody understands you. 400 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,040 Nobody gets it. Nobody wants to help. 401 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:39,760 You Where did everybody go? On and on that list goes. 402 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,840 That that attack. Of being alone. 403 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,680 Is is real? Because it is. 404 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,000 These attacks are. They're they're not contrived. 405 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:54,160 There's a little bit of reality. Involved in them, you know, if 406 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,920 you think about discouragement, that's a real feeling when you 407 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,720 are sensing inadequacy. That's not entirely untrue. 408 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,240 Tiredness of I mean, for goodness sake, all it takes. 409 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,800 You don't even have to think about work, ministry or anything 410 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,400 if you just don't get a good night's sleep. 411 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:11,800 You're tired. That's a. 412 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:16,360 Real issue, but it opens up the door for so many other things 413 00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:20,200 and being alone can also. Because there's this, this, this 414 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,280 area. Of of connection point here in 415 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,360 our church is I emphasize what. The Bible teaches of. 416 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:30,640 Like mindedness, but there. Is. 417 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,520 Seasons. There are seasons in our life. 418 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,280 Where, like Paul, you say. I have no one like minded except 419 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,200 for Timothy and I'm sending him away which is going to leave me 420 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,680 alone. So it's not entirely inaccurate, 421 00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:47,360 however learning. How to live? 422 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,320 In The Times. Where either you are. 423 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,000 Alone, I think of the church planter. 424 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,360 I mean, if you're married, you're you're not technically 425 00:22:56,360 --> 00:23:00,360 not alone, but your wife might be serving the kids like she may 426 00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:01,720 not be your. Absolute. 427 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,400 Partner in ministry because she's partnering in a different 428 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:05,520 way. I mean she is your absolute 429 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,360 partner but like you're not arm in arm setting up chairs or. 430 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,560 Like you're at the. School, setting up chairs and 431 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,560 she's changing diapers. You're partnering, but you're 432 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:15,560 not necessarily. Together. 433 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,200 Physically. Doing the same work. 434 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,800 But this isn't of aloneness. I've seen a lot of guys spiral 435 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,480 into discouragement because they feel so. 436 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,920 Alone. Yeah, and not just a 437 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,720 discouragement, but all of a sudden the whole thing of 438 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,560 desires or pride, lust of the eye, lust of the flesh, pride of 439 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,880 life, those three things come in. 440 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:41,240 The enemy wants to use that. And we see the temptation that 441 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,280 the devil tried to give to Jesus on the mount of temptation hit 442 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,760 all three of those. And so there are times when 443 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,920 maybe you're, you're coming down with something and you're, 444 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:58,240 you're starting to get affected where it's a real bad cold or 445 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,160 respiratory thing and it's hanging on and you're just 446 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,160 going, why can't I? And then you know, you're, 447 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:09,840 you're weakened, but in your physically weakened state, 448 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,200 that's when the Holy Spirit, the power of God, that's what it 449 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,440 says and, and the power of his might. 450 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,920 He, he's the has the ability to help you keep perspective 451 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,800 because you lose perspective when it's all about you, because 452 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,280 it's not all about you. It's about him. 453 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,600 And he is with you. The Holy Spirit has been given 454 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,280 to you to abide with you forever. 455 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,560 And so he doesn't timeshare you with the devil. 456 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,800 He's there to help you, but you got to call upon him and you 457 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:48,920 have to resist the pity party. You have to resist the, the, the 458 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,480 reality that you're, you're coming into a weakened state 459 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,120 physically because maybe you're coming down with something or or 460 00:24:56,120 --> 00:25:01,760 you're hanging on to a, an illness because of an accident 461 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,880 and the repercussion is lasting for years. 462 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,040 And how do you how do you deal with that? 463 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:13,000 You have to first of all, go to the Lord in and say, listen, I 464 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,880 live in this armor. It's not that I've lost. 465 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,520 Where's my shield? No, no, you have it. 466 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:26,080 The sword is, is the word of God, which is the Rhema, the 467 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,040 word of God. What what's the appropriate 468 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,160 scripture that applies to my situation right now? 469 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:39,360 That's true between God and me and, and, and you have to just, 470 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:42,640 and it's so easy to talk about it when you're not going through 471 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,200 it. And if you have like a chronic 472 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:50,200 illness and it just wears you down, you've got to it. 473 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:55,200 Just it's a lot of warfare to keep the perspective just today, 474 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,400 just today. And as a practical sense, as we 475 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,960 wind down today's episode, when I think of perspective and you 476 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,480 might be listening and wondering, I don't know how to 477 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,560 change my perspective, one of the ways you can change your 478 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,120 perspective. Is by. 479 00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:15,440 Adjusting your expectations and being able to adjust to the 480 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:20,280 situation as it is asking God to encourage you and strengthen 481 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,480 you. For example, again, the context 482 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,560 of church planting or starting a ministry, you expect it. 483 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,600 To grow. But it's not growing if you 484 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,320 don't. You don't change your 485 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,000 expectations in the moment. You will live in perpetual 486 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,160 discouragement. It's like where is. 487 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,800 Everybody out what's going on? I I thought people were going to 488 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,840 come and help. I started this and where. 489 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,120 Are all the people? And the people are. 490 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:45,200 There. But what God is doing, He's 491 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:50,360 working in you. 1st. And we, we are seeing many 492 00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:53,560 people like open themselves. Up to the attacks. 493 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,920 Of the enemy through discouragement, because the 494 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,160 perspective is wrong, because their expectations are wrong, 495 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,320 and. It it's easier said. 496 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,040 Than done I I do appreciate Bob you sharing like it's hard. 497 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,360 It's hard to talk about it when you're not in it and people are 498 00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:11,960 listening that are in it or have friends that are in a perpetual 499 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:17,040 long term illness. Difficulty or the reality of 500 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,240 this is the. Station of. 501 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,400 Their life or. I think of contentment and I 502 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:27,560 think of satisfying, satisfied, my safest place, my safest place 503 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,640 in my life because I'm a I'm a visionary. 504 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,240 I'm thinking about what God wants to do. 505 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,080 I'm thinking about how how we can do more for the Lord. 506 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,040 But I have to also remember that that my safest place is not to 507 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,840 expect anything from the Lord that he doesn't say in his word 508 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,520 right and and to be happy with him, not not the outward to be 509 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,880 content with him and to enjoy him and and he loves me and I 510 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:56,120 love him and he rescued my life. Anything else I'm living on I I 511 00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:57,400 want to say. I guess the world. 512 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,040 Says I'm living on borrowed time, but I'm living on grace 513 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,160 time. All this time of my. 514 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,000 Life is just Grace I. Really should not be. 515 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,440 Physically alive today because of the. 516 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,640 Consequences of my sin when I wasn't saved, Absolutely, and 517 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,320 I'm living on grace, time and when I forget. 518 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,520 That. Then I have all these 519 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,800 expectations, my perspective is wrong, and then the 520 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,560 circumstances of life come in and then I'm attacked. 521 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,960 Discouragement, inadequacy, tiredness, aloneness, and the 522 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,160 list could go on and on. You may want. 523 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,960 To text us or. E-mail us things that you've 524 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,800 been attacked on or things that you want to talk about and we 525 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,520 could do in a. Future we could talk. 526 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,440 About them in a. Future episode, but today this 527 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,680 episode is. Over, we've come to the end. 528 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,160 I want to thank you for joining us. 529 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,000 Please give us your. Feedback please, on wherever 530 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,800 you're getting podcasts. Leave us a review, click the 531 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,120 stars that if this podcast has blessed. 532 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,080 You and encourage you because it changes. 533 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,880 I don't know how they do it, but it changes the algorithm and it 534 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,640 more people can see it. 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