1 00:00:05,700 --> 00:00:09,600 Calvary Church, presents lead to serve a leadership, podcast with 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,900 Ed Taylor. Hey, welcome to another edition 3 00:00:13,900 --> 00:00:17,400 of the lead to serve podcast. My name is Ed Taylor. 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,100 I'm the pastor here at Calvary Church in Aurora, Colorado, 5 00:00:21,100 --> 00:00:25,700 Calvary Chapel, and been here for 22 years, and such a 6 00:00:25,700 --> 00:00:30,000 blessing to serve, we moved out the five of us, my wife, and 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,000 three kids to be a part of what God wanted to do and planting a 8 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,200 church. And we have been a part of the 9 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,500 planting and now through the years, going through the 10 00:00:39,500 --> 00:00:44,500 different seasons of ministry and Have a heart to talk about 11 00:00:44,500 --> 00:00:46,500 my experience. I have a hard to talk about What 12 00:00:46,500 --> 00:00:49,800 the Lord Has Done, what he's doing, how I'm still growing. 13 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,200 So that, you know, when we do this podcast, I have in my mind, 14 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,700 you sitting across the table from me, or what we do in our 15 00:00:56,700 --> 00:01:00,300 staff meetings, a lot of our staff and team meetings here are 16 00:01:00,300 --> 00:01:03,600 just talking through things and listening to one another and and 17 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,800 offering our points of view and and you have an opportunity to 18 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,400 do the same thing. You can offer your input by 19 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,000 emailing me at Ed. Ed R dot org. 20 00:01:13,300 --> 00:01:23,100 Ed at Ed Taylor dot org or text me directly 7206 0800 12 and 21 00:01:23,100 --> 00:01:28,300 we're in the middle of or toward the end of season 3 on this 22 00:01:28,300 --> 00:01:32,500 podcast, and this season. We've taken a resource that we 23 00:01:32,500 --> 00:01:36,300 produced here at Calvary. It's a book that we call sure 24 00:01:36,300 --> 00:01:41,000 and steady and the subtitle is learning and growing in pastoral 25 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,100 Ministry. And it's a culmination of the 26 00:01:44,100 --> 00:01:47,300 years of discipleship. Here, I'm a big whiteboard guy. 27 00:01:47,300 --> 00:01:50,100 So I like to stand and, you know, in a staff meeting and 28 00:01:50,100 --> 00:01:52,600 write down things on the Whiteboard and wipe that right 29 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,600 down the topics and such. And finally, we just said, we 30 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,900 need to put this together in one and strangely enough. 31 00:01:58,900 --> 00:02:02,500 It was covid. And the pandemic that brought a 32 00:02:02,500 --> 00:02:05,700 lot of old projects off the shelf. 33 00:02:05,700 --> 00:02:07,400 And say, let's finish this finish this. 34 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,600 Let's finish this and we finished it together with one 35 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,000 final meeting. With our pastor, Team where we 36 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:18,800 talked about it, we edited it, we gave input, and this is the 37 00:02:18,900 --> 00:02:20,400 resource. So I encourage you to pick it 38 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:21,600 up. If you think it would be 39 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,900 helpful, you can use it personal devotions, small group studies, 40 00:02:25,100 --> 00:02:28,300 you can use the principles and apply them in your own personal 41 00:02:28,300 --> 00:02:30,100 context as your discipling others. 42 00:02:30,700 --> 00:02:34,700 And I know that these topics, some of them are like, man, I 43 00:02:34,708 --> 00:02:37,000 already know that already know that so then it's good to be 44 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,500 reminded but other things, maybe you've never talked about them, 45 00:02:40,500 --> 00:02:43,700 you've just had a assumptions. Is that everyone knows and 46 00:02:43,700 --> 00:02:46,900 thinks the same way you do or as your disciple Ian and don't, you 47 00:02:46,900 --> 00:02:49,700 know, that such a level of frustration that you can start 48 00:02:49,700 --> 00:02:53,000 talking about these topics and then discuss them and dialogue 49 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,400 at them through the word, that's kind of the model of this third 50 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,500 season. And today, again, for this 51 00:02:58,500 --> 00:03:05,200 episode, we are in episode 3, 0 9, we have Pastor Bob Clay camp 52 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,000 with us Pastor. Bob, welcome again, great. 53 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,200 Good to be here again. I'm glad that you're here. 54 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:11,800 We had a great conversation last time. 55 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,500 Just talking Ministry together. And, you know, it's fun. 56 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,200 I like doing that. I like learning. 57 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,100 I like, because we were talking about your 40 Years of minute, 58 00:03:22,100 --> 00:03:25,000 40 Years, celebration, with Calvary of Phoenix, Calvary, 59 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:29,000 Chapel North fee, North Phoenix. And and of course you were there 60 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,200 for twenty twenty-nine years launched off to plant, a church 61 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,000 in Exeter England. You were there for almost seven, 62 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,900 seven years, and then you've been back with us here in Aurora 63 00:03:38,900 --> 00:03:40,100 for two years. Yep. 64 00:03:40,300 --> 00:03:43,000 And we're so grateful. You're Or here, even though 65 00:03:43,300 --> 00:03:46,000 you're gone a lot. Yeah. 66 00:03:46,300 --> 00:03:48,100 So why are you gone a lot talk about that? 67 00:03:48,100 --> 00:03:49,400 What's God having to do right now? 68 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,500 Well, right now, my wife and I are involved with coming 69 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:55,700 alongside other pastors and wives and encouraging them. 70 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,900 Assisting them in whatever way may be needed, whether it's to 71 00:03:59,900 --> 00:04:04,400 help set up a transition plan for the future, or to do maybe 72 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,700 an assessment of the church from top to bottom, or just to fill 73 00:04:08,700 --> 00:04:11,600 in and give them a break. Because there's no one right 74 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,900 now. That's really ready to take the 75 00:04:13,900 --> 00:04:17,100 services. Sometimes it's just to work out, 76 00:04:17,100 --> 00:04:18,700 you know, how do I deal with this? 77 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:24,600 Just practical everyday things and so it's the calling is just 78 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:29,500 use our ministerial experience to just encourage and be a safe 79 00:04:29,500 --> 00:04:34,800 place for them to unload, download or whatever and just to 80 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,300 pray with them and and system. You're a pastor to pastors. 81 00:04:39,900 --> 00:04:42,600 Yeah. And it's a really great ministry 82 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,000 and he can serve your church if you On to get in contact with 83 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,600 them. Just call us here at the church 84 00:04:47,700 --> 00:04:53,800 30 3628. 7200. Ask for Pastor Bob or you can 85 00:04:53,800 --> 00:05:00,200 email him at Bob. See at Calvary Co dot Church. 86 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:06,400 Bob, see the letter c at Calvary Co church and connect with him. 87 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,700 He, you know, according to a schedule and how it all works 88 00:05:09,700 --> 00:05:11,600 out, he can come out and encourage. 89 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,600 You could fill the pulpit for you if you're a pastor listening 90 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,000 in. He can do discipleship, he can 91 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,500 teach at a leaders Gathering, he can do them, you just got back 92 00:05:20,500 --> 00:05:22,400 from Arizona. You guys, did you guys do a 93 00:05:22,700 --> 00:05:27,600 marriage thing in Arizona? My wife did a women's retreat 94 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,800 that we have about two weeks before that. 95 00:05:30,100 --> 00:05:32,800 So in their latter years, one of the prayers that Pastor Bob 96 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,200 bashara with me and one of the words that God gave them is that 97 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,000 his latter years would be more fruitful than his earlier years, 98 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,700 is that coming to pass looks like it. 99 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,900 And then you know the little addendum was don't figure. 100 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,700 Figure it out, just walk by faith. 101 00:05:47,700 --> 00:05:50,300 Yeah, so we're going to go right into the format that we've been 102 00:05:50,300 --> 00:05:54,300 whole, we've been using in season 3 and Pastor Bob. 103 00:05:54,300 --> 00:05:56,800 And I were going to be talking through these topics. 104 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,400 The first topic is confidentiality and having the 105 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,700 confidence of others, and here's the, the subtitle 106 00:06:03,700 --> 00:06:08,400 confidentiality is an essential component of a pastor or a 107 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,400 servant trustworthiness in Ministry. 108 00:06:11,700 --> 00:06:15,400 And so a pastor or spiritual leader understands that Things 109 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:20,000 in confidence is essential when you breach confidentiality you 110 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,900 lose that important place of trust and Authority in someone's 111 00:06:23,900 --> 00:06:26,000 life. You must be true. 112 00:06:26,100 --> 00:06:28,500 You want to be a better servant and leader. 113 00:06:28,500 --> 00:06:32,200 Listen, you must be trustworthy with the information that you 114 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:37,100 see here and with what people share with you, confidentiality 115 00:06:37,100 --> 00:06:41,700 speaks of the confidence that someone has put in you to trust 116 00:06:41,700 --> 00:06:45,600 you with their life and when we respond by Holding things in 117 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,100 confidence, it protects the rights and the Dignity of 118 00:06:49,100 --> 00:06:52,100 others. The opposite gossip destroys 119 00:06:52,100 --> 00:06:57,400 people, including you and and we talked about Bob confidentiality 120 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,300 or trust being the currency of ministry. 121 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,700 Yes where you know somebody comes right now if somebody 122 00:07:02,700 --> 00:07:06,900 calls somebody comes to the church right now they have a 123 00:07:07,100 --> 00:07:11,400 they have a bucket I guess if you will of trust they already 124 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,800 have some level of trust that otherwise they wouldn't be 125 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,200 looking for us to help them. So they come to the property, 126 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,000 they have expectations, they have trust. 127 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,600 What are some ways that you have found that you can build trust 128 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,500 in a person that comes to you for help? 129 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:34,500 I think that excuse me, trust is it's built slowly. 130 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:41,000 Trust is built line by line and trust is built by listening more 131 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,600 than you talk. And by asking questions to let 132 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,800 them. And let them know that you 133 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,300 actually heard what they were saying. 134 00:07:49,900 --> 00:07:53,300 I think that goes a long ways because if you're just the Bible 135 00:07:53,300 --> 00:07:59,200 answer, man, then people go away and have a sense that you never 136 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:03,600 really heard them at all. Didn't hear their heart and 137 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,700 answering back what, you know and saying here's what I heard 138 00:08:07,700 --> 00:08:09,600 you say. And it tell me if I'm on the 139 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:14,700 right track then I think that's big in building trust I think 140 00:08:14,700 --> 00:08:18,500 when Just breaks down, sometimes, you can't even recoup 141 00:08:18,500 --> 00:08:21,600 after that. And this is something that we 142 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:26,100 have to really pay attention to, because it's inexcusable sin in 143 00:08:26,100 --> 00:08:27,800 our lives. We think that? 144 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:32,100 Well, if I talked to Bob about something that I really 145 00:08:32,100 --> 00:08:34,900 shouldn't be talking to him about, but he is a pastor and we 146 00:08:34,900 --> 00:08:37,900 start processing this and I'm like, well Bob I if I do share 147 00:08:37,900 --> 00:08:40,700 something with you, it might be better to be general, not give 148 00:08:40,700 --> 00:08:44,600 any names, not give any situation that is going to be 149 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,400 identical. Definable or you know I talk 150 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,700 with you and then you go back and circle around and said well 151 00:08:49,700 --> 00:08:52,500 maybe I can help so and so but I really never asked for you to 152 00:08:52,500 --> 00:08:56,200 help them and you go over around because you love him and indigo. 153 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,200 How did you know? Well, you know and I were 154 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:02,500 talking and now now we've got this mess of know. 155 00:09:02,900 --> 00:09:06,800 The relationship is with me and that brother or me and that 156 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,900 sister my wife and I in that sister, perhaps it's ministering 157 00:09:09,900 --> 00:09:15,500 to them and I need to understand that my obligation is to Person 158 00:09:15,500 --> 00:09:19,700 that I'm serving over and above any type of counsel. 159 00:09:19,700 --> 00:09:23,200 I might need like breaking breaking confidence is super 160 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:28,300 common in the church and it is extremely painful and if you've 161 00:09:28,300 --> 00:09:32,500 ever lost someone's trust, you know that it's extremely hard to 162 00:09:32,500 --> 00:09:34,800 get it back. If you ever do this, right? 163 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,900 And and really, you're spreading the burden of forgiveness, when 164 00:09:39,300 --> 00:09:44,800 a person comes to you and tells you that this person here is is 165 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,900 Is living in sin over here, and then you tell someone else that, 166 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:51,800 you know, this is what's happening. 167 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,600 And then they tell somebody else and all the sudden it goes 168 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,300 around 2 5 10, 20 different people. 169 00:09:59,500 --> 00:10:02,800 And then the person who was initially living in, sin, comes 170 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,900 to you and repents all of a sudden. 171 00:10:04,900 --> 00:10:07,800 You've spread the burden of forgiveness, all the way around, 172 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,200 and you've just said a wildfire and it should be reflective, and 173 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,500 this is important for you listening in like it should be 174 00:10:14,500 --> 00:10:17,700 reflected. If that that demonstrates a lack 175 00:10:17,700 --> 00:10:21,100 in your life that God's wanting to deal with it, I mean, I'm 176 00:10:21,100 --> 00:10:22,500 certain we've all made that mistake. 177 00:10:22,500 --> 00:10:25,800 So this isn't something that we're going to live a perfect 178 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,500 life and we've all made this mistake. 179 00:10:27,500 --> 00:10:31,500 I have broke confidence before I have gossiped and it's painful, 180 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:34,200 it's painful for the people, I've sinned against and it's 181 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,700 painful for me as I deal with the consequences of my sin. 182 00:10:38,100 --> 00:10:43,100 And I think that the emphasis in discipleship here is that if you 183 00:10:43,100 --> 00:10:46,200 want to serve well you've got to be Us worthy and being 184 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,900 trustworthy also means that you're worthy of trust that your 185 00:10:49,900 --> 00:10:54,500 behavior is such that someone can trust you and it ends with 186 00:10:54,500 --> 00:10:56,600 you. I think that one of the 187 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,600 predominant sends in the body of Christ today, but also among us 188 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,000 as spiritual leaders is Gossip. Yeah, and, and it's covered by 189 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,600 the word. Hey, I've got a serious prayer 190 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:13,200 request and it's more of imparting a juicy nugget rather 191 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,600 than having Art to run a sea change. 192 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,800 And when it comes to confidentiality, of course, 193 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,200 there are a few things that we don't keep in confidence. 194 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:28,100 We don't have this false vow of silence, like those in the 195 00:11:28,100 --> 00:11:31,200 man-made Roman Catholicism. You know, how a priest has to 196 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,700 have this vow of silence or whatever it is. 197 00:11:33,900 --> 00:11:37,400 Do you know what the vowel is? Where you, the priest will not 198 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,200 tell anybody, like, we don't have that that and I don't know 199 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,200 that that's biblical because if there's any harm to a child or 200 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:50,600 any sus, Any suspicion of abuse or any confession of a crime or 201 00:11:50,700 --> 00:11:52,500 like we're not going to keep that to ourselves. 202 00:11:52,500 --> 00:11:56,300 We in here in Colorado, like many states were mandatory 203 00:11:56,300 --> 00:11:59,600 reporters, but even if we weren't mandatory reporters, I 204 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:04,000 believe God is a mandatory reporter and although the Bible 205 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,800 does instruct that love covers sin, the instruction is not 206 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,700 covering it to the point where we're making excuses and 207 00:12:11,700 --> 00:12:14,600 approving of sin, right? It's working out through things 208 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,700 and Is like the lubricant of our friction, not not covering those 209 00:12:18,700 --> 00:12:20,600 things. And of course, another another 210 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,500 thing that that we say here with confidentiality is that you 211 00:12:23,500 --> 00:12:27,300 never hide anything from your spouse, no, of course, you got 212 00:12:27,300 --> 00:12:29,100 to be careful what you share with your spouse. 213 00:12:29,300 --> 00:12:32,500 But there's no hiding ever, any instruction of hiding things 214 00:12:32,500 --> 00:12:35,400 from your spouse and, you know, so you don't come home, I go 215 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,800 out, I can't tell you honey because it's confidential and 216 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,000 then you just give the, you give the enemy, all this room to 217 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,500 divide you in your marriage because you're one, yeah, I'm 218 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:45,300 confident. In charity. 219 00:12:45,300 --> 00:12:47,400 So important like Luke chapter 12. 220 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,300 It says in verse 2, there is nothing covered that will not be 221 00:12:51,300 --> 00:12:54,000 revealed nor hidden that will not be known. 222 00:12:54,300 --> 00:12:56,900 So whatever you spoken in the dark will be heard in the light 223 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,300 and what you spoken in the ear, in the inner rooms of would be 224 00:13:00,300 --> 00:13:04,100 proclaimed on the housetops and you know, Jesus is giving that 225 00:13:04,100 --> 00:13:09,500 instruction of their that the truth will come out and let the 226 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,500 if you walk in the truth things that are covered, they'll be 227 00:13:13,500 --> 00:13:15,900 revealed thing. That are hidden, they'll be 228 00:13:15,900 --> 00:13:20,000 known but we're not to break someone's confidentiality and 229 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:25,200 their trust or Proverbs 11 13, a talebearer revealeth Secrets, 230 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,300 but he who is of a faithful Spirit conceals a matter. 231 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,900 And then I already mentioned that in Proverbs 18, 19, a 232 00:13:31,900 --> 00:13:34,600 brother offended is harder to win than a strong City. 233 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,400 And contentions are like the bars of a castle. 234 00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:41,800 And and so as you're serving confidentiality is of utmost 235 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,700 importance, there's just no way around it. 236 00:13:43,700 --> 00:13:47,600 This is the currency and I know it's a hard word to use to 237 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,500 describe but like if you look at it as currency that you're 238 00:13:50,500 --> 00:13:53,900 depositing you're depositing trust, you're depositing trust 239 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:58,000 because unfortunately there may be a time where you have to make 240 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:03,400 it to withdrawal or you make a withdrawal by a mistake and only 241 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,900 the bridge of the depth of trust is going to help you get through 242 00:14:07,900 --> 00:14:10,600 that mistake. It's going to help smooth the 243 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,700 waters. It's going to keep relationships 244 00:14:12,700 --> 00:14:16,600 because relationships as you were mentioning in Last podcast 245 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,800 in our last episode, you know, the, the relationships that we 246 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,900 have the Pastoral Ministry is of utmost importance, and it is 247 00:14:23,900 --> 00:14:26,800 relational. And the, there aren't different 248 00:14:27,100 --> 00:14:30,900 rules for us because we're pastors than we are for anywhere 249 00:14:30,900 --> 00:14:32,200 else. Where sheep first? 250 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,300 Yeah, it's right sheep among sheep. 251 00:14:35,300 --> 00:14:37,600 Sheep among sheep. Let's go to the next one. 252 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:42,600 The next one we want to share is that Ministry is a 24/7 253 00:14:43,300 --> 00:14:47,100 commitment. Astrea's a 24/7 commitment, a 254 00:14:47,100 --> 00:14:51,400 pastor, a spiritual leader, is a pastor or spiritual leader, 24 255 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:55,300 hours a day 7 days a week. This is another one that's 256 00:14:55,300 --> 00:14:58,200 misunderstood. We talked on a previous episode 257 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:03,300 about counting the cost and the cost that's necessary to make a 258 00:15:03,300 --> 00:15:06,800 commitment to serve. And so, when the 24/7 commitment 259 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:11,700 comes, it's often a challenge because this commitment means 260 00:15:11,900 --> 00:15:14,700 that a pastor or spiritual leader is ready to serve. 261 00:15:15,100 --> 00:15:19,000 Whenever Ministry needs are present and this is the key that 262 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,200 we really want. Its Ministry is not a 263 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:26,000 nine-to-five job, it is not like any, I mean, actually it's not a 264 00:15:26,008 --> 00:15:29,000 job at all. It's God's call upon your life 265 00:15:29,500 --> 00:15:32,500 and you can't schedule when Paine enters into a family's 266 00:15:32,500 --> 00:15:35,000 life. You can't clock out and no one, 267 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,900 no longer care. You can't relegate people's 268 00:15:37,900 --> 00:15:40,500 issues. I mean, just a few years ago, we 269 00:15:40,500 --> 00:15:43,100 all were awakened in the middle of the night because of the 270 00:15:43,100 --> 00:15:44,800 theater shooting that was right up the street. 271 00:15:44,900 --> 00:15:47,400 Meet you. We aren't going to answer the 272 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,000 phone ago. I'm sorry, my day doesn't begin 273 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,900 until 8:00 and I know it's a crisis. 274 00:15:52,900 --> 00:15:56,900 It's the biggest crisis, our city has seen since Columbine 275 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,200 but we're well I'll be there soon enough. 276 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:05,500 Nope, we put a hat on, put some clothes on, and get to where the 277 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,900 need is, and some seasons of pastoral Ministry. 278 00:16:09,900 --> 00:16:12,900 Some seasoned a Ministry or more challenging than others, more 279 00:16:12,900 --> 00:16:16,500 demanding but there are also times when Is restful times, but 280 00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:19,700 we are always a pastor everywhere anywhere. 281 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:24,100 And, and then we clarify that, if you're a clock watcher, then 282 00:16:24,100 --> 00:16:27,100 pastoral Ministry commitment with leader. 283 00:16:27,100 --> 00:16:28,800 Spiritual leadership is just not for you. 284 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,800 If you're a clock-watcher, you know, if that's if it's all 285 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:37,000 about the bare minimum and it's unfortunate, but I have served 286 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:42,700 with men that they just tried to put in the bare minimum. 287 00:16:43,100 --> 00:16:46,500 Yeah. And it's It's self-focus more 288 00:16:46,500 --> 00:16:50,400 than others oriented. And it's like, well, you know, 289 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,700 my time is my time and and I'll help people. 290 00:16:53,700 --> 00:16:58,200 And you think on, and I've worked real hard and I deserve a 291 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,800 break here, and there's other people that can take care of it 292 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:05,599 and it still ends up being more self-focused, a pastor is like a 293 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:10,300 doctor on call at all times and the family needs to understand 294 00:17:10,300 --> 00:17:13,500 it. There are it's not a simple. 295 00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:16,099 Okay, I'll spend two hours. With you, and then, two hours 296 00:17:16,099 --> 00:17:20,500 with you and two hours with you. It is, is sometimes it's all in 297 00:17:20,500 --> 00:17:25,099 for three days and then you have to really communicate with your 298 00:17:25,099 --> 00:17:28,200 family. That, you know, there's going to 299 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:32,200 be seasons and, you know, our balance has to do with Seasons, 300 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:36,000 not ours. And so you have to learn to be 301 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,200 flexible. This is what Ministries all 302 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,800 about. For those that never worked 24/7 303 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,500 job. It's hard to adjust to God put 304 00:17:45,500 --> 00:17:49,100 me into a business early on the ambulance business that was 305 00:17:49,100 --> 00:17:51,900 24/7. My hours were always all over 306 00:17:51,900 --> 00:17:54,200 the place. I didn't have any control over 307 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,600 it. If my relief, if the person that 308 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,700 was supposed to come in and relieve, me didn't come in. 309 00:17:58,700 --> 00:18:01,700 I worked another shift. Had to make a phone call. 310 00:18:01,700 --> 00:18:04,100 I worked all the holidays because that's where the 311 00:18:04,108 --> 00:18:06,700 overtime was. So we learned as a family, we 312 00:18:06,700 --> 00:18:08,300 could celebrate the holiday later. 313 00:18:08,500 --> 00:18:11,200 It doesn't have to be traditional and we can do 314 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,500 something extra and to make up for the fact that dad's not 315 00:18:14,500 --> 00:18:16,800 here. A few hours and and I find 316 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,100 Ministry to be very similar where it's not a nine-to-five 317 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:22,700 job. It's not when even when we leave 318 00:18:22,700 --> 00:18:24,800 the property we don't stop being a servant. 319 00:18:25,100 --> 00:18:28,100 We're not we're still a servant at Safeway we're the body of 320 00:18:28,100 --> 00:18:32,900 Christ but it when you when you step in to take a position of 321 00:18:32,900 --> 00:18:37,700 leadership or even wanting to grow in being faithful in 322 00:18:37,700 --> 00:18:41,500 serving Jesus, you have to deal with this mentality that your 323 00:18:41,500 --> 00:18:45,800 time is not your time. It you You have been bought with 324 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,900 a price and that's the, the blood of Jesus Christ, and he's 325 00:18:49,900 --> 00:18:52,600 worthy of all that we give to him. 326 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:57,500 However, 24/7 doesn't mean that you're away 24 hours a day 7 327 00:18:57,500 --> 00:19:01,000 days, a week. It doesn't mean that you need to 328 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:02,800 be. I mean, we've had, you know, 329 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,000 been here 22 years and we've had, I don't know, maybe I can 330 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,800 count four or five times where there's been super super heavy 331 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,400 stuff that required us all to be somewhere midnight or overnight 332 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:18,000 or stay late or But but it is demanding, and I think that's an 333 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,600 important word. If you think of demanding, 334 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,900 what's another word that you could think of Bob, that would 335 00:19:22,900 --> 00:19:26,000 reflect 24/7. That could help somebody grasp 336 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,200 that. Well, I think Paul said to be 337 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,800 instant in season and out of season or you're just ready. 338 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:39,300 And I also think of what Jesus said, where the servant comes in 339 00:19:39,300 --> 00:19:44,900 from the field and prepares for his master and they're just I 340 00:19:44,900 --> 00:19:47,100 say, you know, we're on profitable servants, we've done 341 00:19:47,100 --> 00:19:51,100 what that witch was at the least and just keeping the mindset 342 00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:54,500 that You know, we were on our way to hell. 343 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,400 Right? And he chased us down, right? 344 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,600 And he brought us into the family and we are forever 345 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,000 indebted to him. It's so good. 346 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,800 I we also included. If you're the type of person 347 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,000 that likes to learn the system and offer to God and your 348 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,000 church, the least amount of effort or the bare minimum then 349 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,300 Ministries, not for you. Or I would even say you could 350 00:20:15,300 --> 00:20:17,900 even say Ministries not for you yet. 351 00:20:17,900 --> 00:20:22,000 It that like the Lord's going to have to work out of you, this 352 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,400 life. You know, meant I think the 353 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,500 thing that I've learned the most and I'm still learning is 354 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,200 Ministry and servanthood is self-sacrifice. 355 00:20:31,300 --> 00:20:34,800 Yes it's not just Jesus saying if you want to follow me die to 356 00:20:34,808 --> 00:20:37,100 yourself, okay. Lord ideas of I'll give up my 357 00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:40,400 drugs I'll give I'll give up a few things to follow you but 358 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,400 then you begin to live with him and you begin to serve him even 359 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,100 in a serving his church and you find out. 360 00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:48,600 Wow, there is still so much meat, so much of me that needs 361 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:54,400 to Die daily and if I learn this System if Iris and really 362 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,500 learning the system is a fancy way of just saying, you know, 363 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,000 like because something changes. There is something that I've 364 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,700 seen change where a man is serving. 365 00:21:03,700 --> 00:21:08,000 The lord Faithfully volunteering working full-time, you know, in 366 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,300 the world even over time coming and serving Faithfully in the 367 00:21:11,300 --> 00:21:13,000 church. And then we recognize that and 368 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,300 say, you know what, brother we I think the Lord has entrusted us 369 00:21:16,300 --> 00:21:18,300 resources. How about you take those 40 370 00:21:18,300 --> 00:21:22,400 hours that you're giving at your job and use them here? 371 00:21:22,500 --> 00:21:25,900 We will pay you, the Lord has given us Abundant Blessings. 372 00:21:25,900 --> 00:21:29,000 We will pay you those 40 hours and then before, you know, it 373 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,400 they're they're they're doing less than 40 hours. 374 00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:35,000 They're not even doing the extra and something happens, when 375 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,400 money is exchanged, if you don't guard your heart. 376 00:21:37,700 --> 00:21:40,200 Well yeah. And your look for the easy way. 377 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,400 I mean that's just your flesh. Yeah, your flesh doesn't like to 378 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:50,600 be crucified and I think that that's that really is the 379 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:55,400 emphasis of What today's episode is all about God is calling you 380 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,800 to die to yourself and that's going to make you and me a more 381 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,900 effective servant, a more effective leader because 382 00:22:02,900 --> 00:22:05,700 Ministry is labor, a labor of love. 383 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,400 Even though it's tremendously rewarding, it's also 384 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,400 tremendously demanding and you think of Jesus Jesus had a time 385 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,700 to sleep. Remember in Mark chapter 4 but 386 00:22:14,700 --> 00:22:18,200 then he was woken up so that he could deal with the storm. 387 00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:21,100 I thought that was so good. He had he was sleeping and then 388 00:22:21,100 --> 00:22:23,200 there was an urgent need At least on the minds of the 389 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:29,100 disciples and he was woken up and I think that you find him 390 00:22:29,100 --> 00:22:32,300 Jesus would often try to get a loan to have some time and he 391 00:22:32,300 --> 00:22:35,800 would be interrupted. These are what has been taught 392 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,900 to us Divine interruptions? God using even things. 393 00:22:39,900 --> 00:22:42,000 That we may not even considered Divine interruptions. 394 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:48,000 They can be a blessed by God as we serve as unto the Lord. 395 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,000 So amen, this brings us to the end of today's episode. 396 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,600 I'm so glad that you have Joined us, be sure to leave a positive 397 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,500 review. If it's negative, email. 398 00:22:56,500 --> 00:22:58,300 Me, personally, I'll take care of that. 399 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,000 If there's any feedback, you have any questions even topics 400 00:23:02,300 --> 00:23:04,100 that you would want us to answer. 401 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,100 You want me to answer in any future guests. 402 00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:10,500 Please do thank you again, Bob for being here with the last 403 00:23:10,500 --> 00:23:12,900 couple episodes solutely. Yeah, that's great. 404 00:23:12,900 --> 00:23:15,000 If you want Bob to come out, you want him to serve. 405 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,000 Maybe you need the pulpit, Phil just call the church here, 30 406 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,600 3628 7200, or email him directly. 407 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,100 Bob see, the letter c is name is. 408 00:23:24,100 --> 00:23:27,800 Bob Clay camp at Calvary Co dot church. 409 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,700 He serving with pointman Ministries. 410 00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:34,400 Which again, is another great podcast to subscribe to PO ime. 411 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,100 N. Pastor Bill Holdridge covers a 412 00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:42,100 lot of great topics with a lot of great different pastors for 413 00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:44,500 us here. Email, me directly. 414 00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:47,700 If you have any feedback, Ed, Ed, Ed Taylor dot org or text me 415 00:23:47,700 --> 00:23:53,600 7206 0800 one. 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