1 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:09,520 Calvary Church presents lead to Serve, a leadership podcast with 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,880 Ed Taylor. Hey, welcome to the Lead to 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:14,760 Serve podcast with Pastor Ed Taylor. 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,440 My name is Ed and I'm your host for this podcast. 5 00:00:19,080 --> 00:00:22,840 We're in season #7 it's a leadership podcast. 6 00:00:23,080 --> 00:00:26,280 It's a servanthood podcast. It comes from a Christian 7 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,680 perspective, but we are open to input of what your perspective 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:35,240 might be but I believe the best insight on leadership and 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,720 servant it comes from the greatest leader and servant that 10 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,560 has ever lived God in human flesh, Jesus Christ. 11 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,360 And our goal is to help you grow in your servant leadership so 12 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,880 you glorify God in studio is Pastor Bob Klaykamp. 13 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,640 Great, good to be here. Welcome, Bob. 14 00:00:54,640 --> 00:01:01,080 He is the leader of the mission assist ministries. 15 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:06,360 He overseas it, it is a ministry that he is responsible for. 16 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,920 He goes around helping with Jeannie and others, helping 17 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:14,120 churches around the world. And since he's been back just 18 00:01:14,320 --> 00:01:17,640 real quickly, since he's been back from the mission field in 19 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,800 Exeter, England, which how many years has it been? 20 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:25,920 Almost 7 seven years the cumulative ministry of Pastor 21 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,120 Bob because he hasn't pastored a church he did for many years 22 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,480 pastor a Calvary Chapel in north Phoenix, but he's not overseeing 23 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,000 a church like the lead or senior pastor. 24 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:41,600 But in the last seven years, he has been this floating pastor 25 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,800 where he's actually it's. Been the last 15 years. 15 well 26 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,640 Exeter. Well, Exeter I was. 27 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,600 You were a senior pastor. Pastoring, yes, but I was also 28 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,760 going out and helping out other guys in the UK. 29 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:59,440 At a dual relationship, but do you think that you're so this 30 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,080 would be a good insight. Do you think that you were also 31 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,880 see you were doing both equally like senior pastor, you had the 32 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,080 weight of a local church? Because I know we talked about 33 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:10,320 that, no. So how? 34 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:15,840 I wasn't doing both equally. I had to focus on that local 35 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,520 church. It was a small church, maybe 50 36 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,480 people. Half of them were university 37 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:25,120 students, yes, and so, but I also made myself available to 38 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:31,240 the pastors and missionaries in the UK and Europe and that was 39 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,440 so challenging. That's what my thought is, 40 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,560 because I, I know that that's the priority, that you would be 41 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,000 the senior pastor, lead pastor, but now for the last seven years 42 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,600 you don't have that. So it's opened up a tremendous 43 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,840 amount of opportunity for you where you have helped church 44 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:49,800 transition. I mean, when you send me a list 45 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,480 of all the things you do and you keep that running list, I'm 46 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,040 like, I don't think he has a big enough hard drive to keep track 47 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,440 of all the things that the Lord has you involved in. 48 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,240 And real quick before we get into this, I really feel like 49 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,320 this is from the Lord, like you are older. 50 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,840 I'm getting older. I'm I'm behind you a generation. 51 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,960 You're getting older. I'm getting older. 52 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,680 But you were given a word, you were given an encouragement from 53 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,400 the Lord about the latter years of your life. 54 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,800 Can you share that word right now? 55 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:28,080 Like how it was given quickly and and maybe an example of how 56 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,280 you see it being fulfilled. Well, I think it came out of me 57 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,880 reading Alan Redpath's book on Joshua, devotional commentary on 58 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:43,360 the book of Joshua That's Victorious Christian Service or 59 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,600 leader or something, I can't remember exactly. 60 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,920 But in that book I was reading about Caleb and I think I was 61 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,600 around 50 years old or so. I was pastoring in North 62 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:58,520 Phoenix. And just the, the whole sense of 63 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:03,120 yeah, I've been involved in ministry for some time now for 64 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:08,200 20 years or 30 years. But what's what's it like to 65 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,920 finish Well? And do I just rely upon what 66 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:17,440 I've always done? Or do I want to hear fresh words 67 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,240 from the Lord for new vision, new calling? 68 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:24,720 Because I need to do what He wants me to do and not what's 69 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,480 easiest, not what's convenient, not what's comfortable. 70 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,640 I need to hear from Him and then apply the same faith and finish 71 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,480 well. And so the whole phrase, I want 72 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,680 my latter years to be more fruitful than my former years, 73 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,360 no matter what I've done in the past. 74 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,520 Fruitful means that you plant things first before there's 75 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,560 fruit. And so there's work, there's 76 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,800 planting, there are steps of faith. 77 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,880 And so whatever that looks like and, and the Lord just impressed 78 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,360 upon me, that's, that's fine, but don't block me. 79 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:05,000 And because at the time I had no idea I'd be doing this, no idea, 80 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,240 not even close. But it all started unfolding, 81 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:14,440 especially when it came to turning the church over in 2010 82 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:20,600 and then looking at how the Lord had been using me during the 83 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:26,280 process and touching the lives of other pastor and and building 84 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,200 a, a bridge of relationship to be able to speak into their 85 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,080 lives. That was a common theme both of 86 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:37,400 my wife and myself. And so that's what led us into 87 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,560 what we're doing now since 2010 really. 88 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:46,440 And then that supposed to do over in in Exeter where you 89 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,920 think, oh, I've got this down, I'll just go now. 90 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,240 I know I'll correct all my mistakes wrong. 91 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,680 You have to. The Lord took me there to break 92 00:05:54,680 --> 00:06:01,160 me and to teach me some things of my own prejudices, my own 93 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:06,200 issues of thinking more highly of myself than I ought, thinking 94 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,840 that I've got, I've got the right perspective, the people 95 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:13,640 just follow my ideas. Everything would work out like 96 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,880 they did back in the States. And the whole issue of 97 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,680 ministering in a different culture that you've got to stop 98 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:30,160 and just humble yourself and say I don't know anything just 99 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,640 because I have years means nothing. 100 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:38,200 I've got to start fresh, and so my latter years being more 101 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:42,280 fruitful than my former years is something that the Lord has to 102 00:06:42,280 --> 00:06:45,520 produce. But I've got to be willing to 103 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,640 plant seed. I've got to be willing to 104 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:52,520 continue steps of faith as long as my body will allow me to. 105 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,080 You are one of the hardest workers I have met. 106 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,240 Like you have a lot of energy, you and Jeannie, it's very 107 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,120 encouraging. You've been a blessing here. 108 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,160 I think we're going to keep this topic for this. 109 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,920 We're going to take the topic we had, we're going to move it to 110 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,160 the next episode because I, I believe we have a conversation 111 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:10,800 going here. It's really good. 112 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,640 And what I'm hearing from you is the importance of being faithful 113 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,040 today. Right. 114 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,560 As I, as I step into this, I'm about the same age you were when 115 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,280 you were given this word, a little bit older than that. 116 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,480 But I, I, I don't know when it hit me. 117 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,600 It could have been at when my son passed away where it just 118 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,080 all time started hitting me and everything stopped and I had to 119 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,720 reassess. But I came to this conclusion 120 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,680 and I know I didn't make it up and I'm not even sure where I 121 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,800 got it, but I use it all the time now. 122 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:44,800 And that is I have more years behind me than I have ahead of 123 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:49,680 me. Reflecting upon my age where So 124 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,160 with this conversation starts with age, but it doesn't have to 125 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,920 be exclusively be age. You could say I have more years 126 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,920 behind me than ahead of me in this particular responsibility, 127 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:05,040 in this particular ministry, in this particular career in 128 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,680 college. You know, you might be heading 129 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,320 up graduating high school and all your school years are behind 130 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,400 you and now you have the whole world ahead of you and what God 131 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:19,080 is going to do in your life. But it's important. 132 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,680 There's a couple of concepts that I hear you say that's super 133 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,400 important. First of all, for you listening 134 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,400 in right now as I am hearing Bob and thinking about Bob and how 135 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,760 he ended up here, there is a future for you. 136 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,360 Wherever station you're in right now, you have a future. 137 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,559 It is a God ordained future. Even if you can't see it, even 138 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,720 if you don't know, like you mentioned it earlier, like if if 139 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,120 we were taking notes, we put this all together, but this is 140 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:47,920 how it is. We have a conversation and it 141 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,360 keeps going. But as I was listening to you, 142 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:55,280 you, you didn't know when you were reading that book what your 143 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,160 future would be, right? You didn't know. 144 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:58,800 You didn't. You didn't know Exeter. 145 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,280 You didn't know Colorado. You didn't know it. 146 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,320 You know all the years you served with Poeman. 147 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,720 You didn't know this new season that you're now launching into 148 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,120 brand new season. Are you OK with mentioning your 149 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:11,640 age? Yeah, OK. 150 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,320 Yeah, I'm, I'm going to be 74 in a couple weeks. 151 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,320 So you're 74 years old and you just launched into a nether 152 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:22,600 massive step of faith when it comes to mission assist 153 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,640 ministries and a new direction. A new, not necessarily a new 154 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,840 direction as much as it is, I would say. 155 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,440 And you could. New clarity. 156 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,240 A new addition you've added now the you, you were doing this 157 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,680 like kind of locally, although your heart's always been for the 158 00:09:36,680 --> 00:09:38,600 world. But through mission assist, now 159 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:43,600 you're, you're taking this new season of serving to the world. 160 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,120 Yeah. And you're being able to say, 161 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,800 OK, my, my, I mean, I know you're going to say yes to this, 162 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,800 but you would see there is a fulfillment happening right now 163 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,640 that your latter years are more fruitful than your earlier 164 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:55,840 years. Are you seeing that? 165 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,280 Yes, yes, I am. And as long as the Lord gives us 166 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,200 the stamina and the health and our bodies are able to to 167 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,160 endure, I mean, it will be there are rough times, but there's, 168 00:10:08,680 --> 00:10:12,200 you know, I guess it's just the adventure of it because you're 169 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,600 walking into things that you, you watch the divine 170 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,120 appointments unfold and you go, I could never have set this up. 171 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:24,120 And so you just walk through it and you see what happens when I 172 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:28,320 mean, it's, it's, it offsets the other, you know, when all of a 173 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,200 sudden there's a train strike and you're stuck or you got on 174 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,320 the train and it's the wrong day and you've got all these tickets 175 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,040 and, you know, and then you watch how the whole thing works 176 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,520 out. It's, it becomes, you know, 177 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:46,680 interesting. But part of the new vision is to 178 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:51,200 invite especially American pastors and their wives to come 179 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:56,480 with us over to the UK. If those American pastors and 180 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:01,040 wives want to be involved with a particular work over in the UK, 181 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,400 especially the UK because of our history there. 182 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,280 Just to have them see the boots on the ground, what it looks 183 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:13,480 like, what they lived through. And if you if you want to help 184 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,960 them, if you want to come alongside and support them, 185 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,360 First of all, understand what they live in. 186 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:25,080 And then that helps you develop. How can we help them in a way 187 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,360 that's not going to crush them or make demands that they can't 188 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:33,400 fulfill, But it it resonates and you have to be there for that. 189 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,200 Let's come back to the that's come back to the reality of 190 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:42,440 where you are 70, almost 74. I, I get this, this word in my 191 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,800 mind as you're talking to you guys listening in right now that 192 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,600 you're not too old just like that. 193 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,560 Maybe you need to hear that you're not too old. 194 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:55,600 So you could be turning 30 and going into a new phase and you 195 00:11:55,600 --> 00:12:00,000 think, oh, or 40 or 50 and and you seeing young people being 196 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,880 used and you think, well, I'm just too old now. 197 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,000 Well, wait a minute Caleb, as you go back to what you said. 198 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,360 Caleb wanted what was promised to him. 199 00:12:09,560 --> 00:12:12,120 He was 85. And he's give me my mountain. 200 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,040 Yeah, I want with my inheritance. 201 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,240 Nobody else wants it. But he wasn't saying I want my 202 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,120 mountain because I want to get it before the young people do. 203 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:25,440 Or like, like we, we, we, we, we need to embrace our age, 204 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,640 whatever that might be, but also take along the younger people 205 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,680 with us. They're not a threat to us. 206 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,760 Young people are not a threat to our lives at all. 207 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,240 And, and I'm hearing you and I'm like, you're just going along 208 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,640 God, you're following the Lord. You're you're serving, loving, 209 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,400 caring, doing what God's called you to do your position and 210 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,880 posture is not toward a person or toward an age your position 211 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:56,360 imposter is toward obeying God right doing what he's called you 212 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,640 to do and being faithful today, planting seeds, working hard 213 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:06,640 reaping in the latter days does not mean and and you like like I 214 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,480 want you to speak to that. It doesn't mean you're too old 215 00:13:09,560 --> 00:13:12,360 like OK Bob, you're 74. There's no place for you. 216 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,520 Let me let me speak to that real quick and then you because, but 217 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,120 then you can follow up with your thoughts because we I was 218 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:24,680 praying here is a leader years ago, I was praying God send us 219 00:13:24,680 --> 00:13:31,840 an older man that can speak to us from the wisdom and authority 220 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:36,200 of his age. And I mean really the beginning 221 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:40,200 of my of my prayer was we need a grandfatherly figure on our 222 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,840 staff. We need a team member that can 223 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,640 walk in the room with the authority of age and experience 224 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,160 besides everything that you bring, but just when you're in 225 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,560 the room because of respect, we're going to honor and respect 226 00:13:54,560 --> 00:13:56,160 you. That's what the Bible says, but 227 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,960 also we're that means you're, it's going to open up and you're 228 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,920 a man of wisdom and experience and, and you are speaking forth 229 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,560 the word of God to us. And even in my own life, I was 230 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:10,360 asking God for Someone Like You, and then you got a heart attack. 231 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:16,640 And nice, we're in the UK. The health crisis that rearrange 232 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,000 your whole life that started moving this direction and you, 233 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,840 you've been added here now for the last seven years in a 234 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,160 variety of different ways. Just a tremendous addition. 235 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,000 But when I think ministry, I do take into account age. 236 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,480 It's not like we, we overlook it because if you're younger, you 237 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,680 probably live more immature. We want to mature like it's not 238 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,200 like we don't see age. It wouldn't be fair to say that 239 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,040 we do. Of course, we see age and 240 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,640 experience and we see giftings and such. 241 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,560 However, whenever we talk age, Bob, it almost seems like people 242 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,960 automatically, well, you know, this church is just for the 243 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,720 young people. They're singing young people 244 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,400 music and young, young, young, young, young. 245 00:14:55,640 --> 00:15:01,720 Yeah, but you're living proof. You're only one small example of 246 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,040 the living proof that God wants to use you in every season. 247 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:10,360 Yes, every season, Yeah. And I, I remember doing a Bible 248 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,840 study here actually, and I was mentioning my age and I started 249 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,800 in my mind kind of like complaining. 250 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,760 And the next day on a walk around the neighborhood, the 251 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,840 Lord was speaking to me and says you need to stop talking about 252 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,560 your age and how difficult it is. 253 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,880 It is none of your business. It's my business. 254 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,360 How old I have you here. If I want you here till you're 255 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:40,080 125, that's my business. I'm going, please no, he goes. 256 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:47,520 No, no, it's but you have to just stop looking at yourself as 257 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,640 the world sees you. You have to start looking at 258 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,440 yourself as I see you. And there's this siren song in 259 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:59,240 the world that once you hit 65, you have a right to do nothing 260 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,080 but play golf and, and take it easy and spend all the money 261 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:07,800 that you saved up. And I mean, God has different 262 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:12,680 callings and different plans for everybody, each individually. 263 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:19,320 But for me, retirement is not something that's to be my goal. 264 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,120 Heaven is my goal. And, and Jesus is very, very 265 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,680 clear about laying up treasure in heaven as long as you can. 266 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:35,120 And so God has been gracious. He has helped us. 267 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,560 I have to trust him for my future, our future. 268 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:44,520 But at the end of the day, as long as my body is allowing me 269 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:50,680 to function, then I'm going to just take these steps and and 270 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,800 see what happens. I'm, it's not reckless. 271 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:58,960 I'm not trying to be reckless or impetuous or knee jerk and all, 272 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:03,480 but, but looking at the opportunities that are before 273 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:10,079 me, I want to, I want to use them carefully, prayerfully, and 274 00:17:10,079 --> 00:17:13,760 then just do it. Just just take a step of faith 275 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,000 and see how it goes. You're a great example too, Bob, 276 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:24,200 of the significance of an older man pouring into younger men, 277 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,480 that that's the place that we really need to be when we think 278 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,480 of young people. We need to think discipleship. 279 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:36,120 Yeah, salvation, discipleship, I, I just think these things 280 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:39,240 need to be said out loud. I don't know how many it will 281 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,760 affect, but if you're older today than God's word to you is 282 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,480 you're not too old. If you're younger today than the 283 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,320 word is, you're needed. And they're both goes big, big. 284 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,400 It goes both ways. If you're young today, you're 285 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,480 not too young. The Bible says don't let anyone 286 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,080 despise your youth. Or if you're older, you're 287 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,400 needed today. The whole body of Christ is 288 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,880 needed for the sake of the ministry. 289 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:03,160 But listening to Bob where this conversation just took a turn 290 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:07,080 off from the original topic that we had where his this was a word 291 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,680 that God gave him, but it's a general word for all of us there 292 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,560 that that God has fruit for your life all the way to the end, 293 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,840 right? There is something God has for 294 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:24,920 you all the way to the end and you cannot allow the changes in 295 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:26,880 the church because you've seen quite a few. 296 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,720 I mean you, you've seen in your generations, you coming from the 297 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:35,120 Jesus Revolution days of of the hippies and you were a hippie 298 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,680 all the way through now into the 21st century. 299 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,600 We can't allow the changes in culture, the changes in time, 300 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,880 the changes in people, the change in our own church prevent 301 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,440 us from doing what God has called us to do that we want 302 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,360 that like we want young. Like I think of music. 303 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,160 You're a musician. Yeah, I think of music. 304 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,520 The music today we're singing today is not the music we're 305 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,760 singing 30 years ago. But why do we associate that 306 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,520 already with being bad? Because. 307 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,200 And we're. I want to stay on the topic of 308 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:08,040 age where? Well, when you 30 years ago and 309 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:09,800 I, this hit me one day in a Bible study. 310 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,480 So I just said it out loud. But you know, Bob, if and this 311 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,040 isn't you, but we're in the room together. 312 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,320 If you don't like the music today, then just stop for a 313 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,720 second and remember you had your day. 314 00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:24,200 There was a season in your life where you are actually the 315 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,840 author of music. You were this, this that was 316 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,000 your and it was for you. God had a season and an episode 317 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,440 for you. Now there's a new generation and 318 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,240 this is their music that they're writing from their hearts to 319 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:40,600 worship God. So instead of either or, it's 320 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:41,720 both. We get it all. 321 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:43,240 We get the hymns. I wouldn't. 322 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,240 You and you and I both weren't alive for the hymns, but they 323 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,280 get to come along. And then our choruses, which I 324 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:53,160 was raised, I was raised on a lot of choruses, and we bring 325 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,360 them along. And now some of the music that's 326 00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:59,640 being done today is just another example where we need it all 327 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,240 music wise, but also people wise. 328 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:06,760 We need and want you all in the place of ministry. 329 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,880 We want you to be fruitful in your 70s as much as the young 330 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,240 man that's in high school that I was talking to. 331 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,280 I want him to be fruitful. Yeah. 332 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:19,120 And the danger is you start using your own experience base 333 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:24,360 as the standard by which God blesses things, right? 334 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,880 And whether it's music or whether it's what the church 335 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:34,080 looks like on the outside or the inside or how people dress, I 336 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:38,040 mean it all. You're, you're comfortable in 337 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,920 those early days when you first became a Christian and, and God 338 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,960 spoke to you so much and that was the environment and you like 339 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:50,040 those songs and, and it just was that made you cry and you, and 340 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,200 you were just releasing your heart. 341 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,080 And nowadays I've heard this so much. 342 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,000 Nowadays it's like, Oh, there's too many words and, and it's 343 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:04,040 like, it's like you've got spiritual Constipation or 344 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,120 something. You're all, you're all messed 345 00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:08,640 up. I mean, come on, you know, you 346 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,480 just you, you're not understanding how the Holy 347 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:17,480 Spirit is using people and you're, and you're all backed up 348 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:22,720 with your ideas on what's spiritual and what God smiles at 349 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,120 and what he frowns at. And you've elevated just like 350 00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:29,000 the Pharisees. You've elevated your personal 351 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,720 preferences to the level of Scripture, and you've missed it. 352 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,800 That's another topic, another episode, but I want to let 353 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,360 everyone know this is what happens whenever you talk at 354 00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:43,120 length with Bob. This is what happens all the 355 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:45,920 time here. We've asked Bob to do this and I 356 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,120 don't know if he will, but we've asked him to and I'm asking him 357 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:51,400 again. He needs to write the book of 358 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:56,840 his Bob isms because you just heard a brand new Bob ISM when 359 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,480 he used the phrase spiritual Constipation. 360 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:04,840 That's a Bob ISM and it it, but he what he was describing was 361 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,480 they are all backed up. They're they're stuck there. 362 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:13,960 That, that, that attitude that you describe, it kills churches. 363 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,640 It does. It destroys, it takes away life. 364 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,760 Yes, yeah. And you come in and you come in 365 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,080 with a critical spirit, and you leave with a critical spirit, 366 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:30,360 and you write off what God is actually doing, and you're 367 00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:36,640 missing the life that is changing people in front of you, 368 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,680 and you don't even see it. You pulling it back to the 369 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,280 original topic in your life personally and as someone who's 370 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,800 has some years that's aged, I don't want to say older, but 371 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,960 older than us by comparison that you have a few years on. 372 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,840 Well, everybody's younger. You know as you full circle 373 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,320 this, that it's the same thing. If, if you're going to bear 374 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,400 fruit at every stage of your life, then you too can't be 375 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,720 backed up along the way. You can't allow yourself to get 376 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,840 stuck. You I think of some spiritual 377 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,440 attacks that could come as we get older, as as we're talking 378 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,800 about the young, you know, part of it is the young people. 379 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,560 Oh, this is church just for young people. 380 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:15,760 It's silly. That's not true. 381 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,800 Even though young people might get platformed. 382 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,840 And one of the reasons we make space for the young people would 383 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,800 not only be in the next generation, but they got all the 384 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,600 energy and it's so beautiful to watch them. 385 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,760 It's so beautiful, like and that's that we we just have a 386 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,000 convenient memory because we forgot we were the young people 387 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,720 at one time. And there's a, as you get older, 388 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,240 you got to work smarter, not harder. 389 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,160 And so then you got to ask the Lord, OK, what's that look like? 390 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:46,920 What's that look like for me? How can I continue to serve in a 391 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:51,600 way that's fruitful, that doesn't depend so much upon my 392 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,520 physical strength, right? And you are not pastoring a 393 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,360 church anymore and you've had these three what you went from 394 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,040 Phoenix to Exeter pastoring a a smaller church than Phoenix. 395 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,640 And then then you started the appointment ministries serving 396 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,280 with the appointment ministries. Now you're you're overseeing 397 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:12,440 your own ministry mission assist along the way you've had to 398 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,520 battle through knowing what what are the rewards? 399 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,640 They're not just who showed up. The reward can't be who showed 400 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,520 up for church anymore. The reward can't be I like that, 401 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,360 like you've had to adjust your life accordingly where your 402 00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:30,440 reward is just pleasing the Lord and obedience. 403 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,120 Yeah, because there's there's a confidence when you hear from 404 00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:40,560 the Lord and you spend some time with him and it's not based even 405 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,120 on what you do. That's not even the foundation, 406 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,360 it's being with him, letting, letting that relationship. 407 00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:52,160 And it's fascinating that when you spend time with the Lord, 408 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,400 just you and him rehearsing who he is, what he's done. 409 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,600 And in that whole conversation, all the sudden he'll drop, he'll 410 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,960 drop a thought into your heart that has to do with what you've 411 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,440 been praying for on a whole nother subject And it all makes 412 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,800 sense and you're going, of course, why don't I think of 413 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,720 that? And that's just he wants that 414 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:18,920 relationship first before, I don't know how else to say it, 415 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,920 but but before you've been praying about all these things, 416 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,640 well, just put it over here, spend some time with him and 417 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,600 he'll drop a piece for the next most important thing. 418 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,000 I think the significance seriousness of, of this episode, 419 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,440 just taking a turn as we're talking is exactly what we need 420 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,440 to be open to. And the topic now ends up 421 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,000 becoming, you're not too old, you're not too old. 422 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,440 God has a purpose and a plan. And old doesn't necessarily even 423 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,320 have to be in the 70s. It could be you. 424 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,280 You turn 30 and that's a significant number for you. 425 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,800 And now you're thinking, I'm not so young anymore. 426 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,400 You turn 40 or you turn 50 or along the way where God has 427 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,720 something for you in every season. 428 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,080 And there was just that time in Bob's life that I always have 429 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,240 with me. It's it's been deposited in me 430 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,480 that the latter years will be more fruitful than the earliest. 431 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,880 And whenever I see you in Genie, that's what I always think when 432 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,240 you send me your list of the things you're involved in. 433 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,040 That's what I think. When there's someone that calls 434 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,720 and asks for your help or I hear you're heading up, you're going 435 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,880 on a trip, I'm like, that's fulfilment. 436 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,880 That's like, because you shared that, because that becomes a 437 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,280 part of your life now. Your life becomes God keeps his 438 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,240 promise. God keeps his promise and you 439 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,040 can get seasons of rest too. You don't always have to be. 440 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:36,000 Yeah. Yeah. 441 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,640 Like we saw we talked about in an earlier episode that you 442 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,160 don't always have to be doing something in order to fulfill 443 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,560 the will of God. Yeah. 444 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,000 Rest is important. Keep. 445 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,760 That perspective, I mean, sometimes you can just get a 446 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,840 little a little too much. And that's where he just says, 447 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,120 hey, I'm going to mix things up. Yeah. 448 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:59,480 And so then you go, really. OK, we'll see how that goes. 449 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,000 Well, we're coming to the end of another episode. 450 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,120 We took a little turn, which is great. 451 00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:07,520 We'll get into the topic for episode 4 next time. 452 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,560 But thanks for joining us, talking with Bob. 453 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,760 And you can have these same conversations, whether it's with 454 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,760 Bob or sitting down over a cup of coffee talking about one 455 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,200 thing. And then the Holy Spirit says, 456 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,480 stay there, stay there, talk about that, share your heart. 457 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,360 And I know that Bob is an encouragement to all of us. 458 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,480 Again, an answer to prayer. Bob and Jeannie both and 459 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,480 answered a prayer in a season of our church where we just needed 460 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,880 a seasoned voice. We wanted not just needed. 461 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,560 We wanted. I wanted a seasoned voice where 462 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,600 as we're talking because we have a multi generational staff like 463 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,120 we have young kids, we have younger, we have older. 464 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,000 It's great. It's wonderful, but that it when 465 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,400 I say staff and team, it's probably better just to refer to 466 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,640 it as a team where we're together in every part, every 467 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,560 person, just like Paul said to the Corinthians is needed. 468 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,520 I remember that. That's a word from the Lord just 469 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,920 kind of sneaking this episode in, which is really, really 470 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,680 good. If you have any feedback, let us 471 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:17,160 know. e-mail us.ed@edtaylor.org. Bob can be reached Bob 472 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,800 klaycamp.com. I can be reached at edtaylor.org 473 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,240 or our church, our app. You know, we have a lot of 474 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,280 resources available to serve you. 475 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,960 We want to serve you. Our heart is particularly toward 476 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,840 pastors, churches, but all the way, all the way around. 477 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,920 We just want to see you grow in grace because the coming of the 478 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,880 Lord is at hand. We're talking numbers in age and 479 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,440 everything, but the reality is, is that we don't know. 480 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,440 We don't know how old we're going to be. 481 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,880 We don't know when the Lord's coming back, and we don't know 482 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,160 when we're coming going home to be with the Lord. 483 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:56,400 So every day has to matter. Every day we've got to give God 484 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,520 our best in whatever it is that He's called us to in the moment. 485 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,280 Leave a review wherever you get your podcasts, hit the stars for 486 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,160 sure. 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