1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,560 Welcome to today's broadcast of Lead to Serve, a leadership 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,840 podcast with Ed Taylor. Welcome again to another episode 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:17,680 of the Lead to Serve podcast coming to you, recorded live in 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:23,440 the studios here of Grace FM Colorado, our radio network here 5 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:28,120 at Calvary Church in Aurora, Co. My name is Ed Taylor, I'm the 6 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,759 pastor of Calvary Church in Aurora, Co and in studio with me 7 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:37,720 for season #6 of the Lead to Serve podcast is past Pastor Bob 8 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:39,120 Klaykamp. Welcome again, Bob. 9 00:00:39,480 --> 00:00:40,760 Good. Great to be here. 10 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,880 Glad you're here. We're grateful for your guys's 11 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,520 response, for you guys leaving good reviews. 12 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,800 Thank you for that. You know, our goal is to see you 13 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,720 grow in your servant leadership and from judging from the 14 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,840 feedback and the increase in listenership, we're hitting the 15 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,160 mark. So thank you for that. 16 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,880 Do you have any topics you want us to cover or think about or 17 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:07,280 pray over? Text me 720-608-0012, 18 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:14,480 720-608-0012, or e-mail me ed@edtaylor.org. 19 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,400 These times are designed to discuss important topics related 20 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,080 to our serving Jesus in the days in which we live. 21 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,520 No matter where you are, homework, church, supermarket, 22 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,920 wherever we might be, the Lord is with us. 23 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,520 And remember, the better servant you are, the better leader you 24 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:39,120 will become. Today's topic is a little 25 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:43,160 different, but not so much. I want to propose something to 26 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,880 you and then let's talk it out. Bob. 27 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,240 I want to propose something to you and all of our listeners 28 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,600 that are a part of it. And I want you guys listening 29 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,520 right now to picture yourself like in a room, like maybe in my 30 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,880 office or we're at a conference, not like a big Q&A, but we're 31 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,040 talking about it in the room. And so you have your point of 32 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,199 view, you have your feedback, but you're also presented with 33 00:02:08,199 --> 00:02:11,800 an idea maybe you haven't heard before, which is a place of 34 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,280 learning. That's where we learn as we 35 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,040 start processing things that we've never heard before. 36 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:23,640 And the topic today is balance, because this is about this. 37 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:28,600 This is talked about a lot and it's a point of frustration for 38 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,440 so many people. And the question that comes to 39 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,360 me all the time, Bob and comes to me is I don't know, pastor, 40 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,840 how can I find the balance? And and then they have two 41 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,640 things that they or three things. 42 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,680 How can I find the balance between work and my work life 43 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,720 and my home life? How can I find the balance 44 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,240 between my marriage and my hobby? 45 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,760 How can I find the balance between church and home and work 46 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:55,320 and it's balance? And almost always now that I'm 47 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,440 thinking about it right now, think I don't think anyone's 48 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,400 ever come to me and said, pastor, I just want to, I want 49 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,640 to let you know I have found the balance in life. 50 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,640 I can't think of one time in the entirety of my ministry that 51 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:11,160 anybody has ever come to me. And just to let me know, I'm 52 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:12,920 perfectly balanced. Found it all. 53 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,040 Don't need your help. Pastor, I just want to let you 54 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:20,640 know I have found the balance. I've been watching Cesar Millan 55 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:24,440 too much, yeah. What they are communicating, 56 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,240 though, is that the pressures of life are the pressures of 57 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:33,320 serving God, the pressures of home, the pressures of church. 58 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:38,880 The pressures of serving at a church are so heavy and so hard 59 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,680 that in their response they're finding that something is 60 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,800 suffering. They aren't able to do 61 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,640 everything that they want to do or have done and they're looking 62 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,480 for a solution. And the one of the first places 63 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:59,840 that they look for is balance. They want to continue and it's 64 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,200 normal. We all want this. 65 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,920 We all want to continue to do everything that we are and we 66 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:09,760 want to do it well. And here's my proposition, and 67 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,960 it'll be startling, and this may be, I'm not sure. 68 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,800 I haven't titled the podcast yet. 69 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,920 I just have the topics, but this might be the title. 70 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:23,520 There is no such thing as balance as you're expecting it. 71 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:29,040 You are unable to balance ministry and work you. 72 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:34,200 I'm unable to balance ministry, work school because it implies 73 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,600 that we are going to then be able to give the same amount of 74 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,840 time, same amount of effort to everything all the time. 75 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,520 And the balance. If you get the picture, back in 76 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,200 the day, you would put weights on one side. 77 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:51,640 They still do this on one of the games on on the price is right. 78 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:56,560 They've got this fake scale and the game is to balance the price 79 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,560 of a trip or something with what they put on the other scales. 80 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,040 And if the the weight on one side and your guess on the other 81 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,200 side balances out, then you're exactly where you need to be. 82 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,360 So if you have a scale and you have work on one side and 83 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,680 parenting on the other side, you think that the solution is to 84 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,000 have them both equal and that just isn't going to happen. 85 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:23,440 That's not going to happen. It's it's not even the language 86 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,680 of the Bible. So let me make my assertion and 87 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,240 then we can talk about it. But no such thing as balance 88 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,640 because the language of the Bible is priority. 89 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,560 Jesus says seek first the Kingdom of God and then all 90 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,400 these other things. The language of the Bible is 91 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,760 sacrifice. Sacrifice. 92 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,920 There's a sacrificial the language of the Bible is denying 93 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:52,240 myself and I believe balance has a sense of serving self because 94 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,080 I'll feel better about everything I'm doing instead of 95 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,880 being feeling or having a sense of I'm abiding in Christ and I'm 96 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,920 I'm where I I'm where I need to be exactly when I need to be 97 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,200 there. And so balance becomes since my 98 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,200 final thought and then Bob, you can jump in. 99 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:13,840 Balance becomes just another burden on an overly burdened 100 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:16,480 life that you will not find the answer to. 101 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,160 I, I, I mean, I haven't. If somebody might respond to the 102 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,160 podcast Bastard. I found the balance. 103 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,800 Well, it's great. You're the only one in the whole 104 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,440 wide world that's found the balance. 105 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,520 And I'm adding to the thought. I understand there's a nuance of 106 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,040 balance. I don't think it's sinful. 107 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,760 I don't think the doubt the desire is sinful at all. 108 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,840 And I do think that we can have some evenness and feel 109 00:06:36,840 --> 00:06:38,440 comfortable with our life in the moment. 110 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,400 But balance I don't believe exists the way that we're 111 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,480 looking for it. It's all yours, Bob. 112 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:49,080 Well, you go back to the basics with you and Jesus. 113 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,800 Before you're a worker, before you're married, before you're a 114 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:59,080 parent, you are a son or daughter of the living God and 115 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:04,200 Jesus Christ is your Lord. The title Lord means that he is 116 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:09,240 in charge of your life. And so when you take your life 117 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,000 went with all the different spheres and little arenas and 118 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,800 circles of your life, all of that has to be brought under the 119 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:22,200 lordship of the of Jesus Christ. And when you examine the gospels 120 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:27,120 and you look at the life of the disciples following Jesus, there 121 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:31,120 were times where they were absolutely dog tired and he 122 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,000 said, come away and rest yourselves a while. 123 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,640 And then they they probably thought, Oh yeah, finally, 124 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,960 finally, finally. And then and then they get to 125 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:46,120 the place and there's this big crowd and it says that Jesus, 126 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:51,040 when he saw the crowd, he had compassion on them and saw them 127 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,480 as sheep without a shepherd. And he went and ministered to 128 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,760 them. And then and then there was this 129 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,240 feeding of the 5000 which all of a sudden now they got put back 130 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,520 into service. They had to take 5000 men plus 131 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,880 women and children and have them sit down in groups of 50. 132 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:12,240 Good luck. I mean, that was where's the 133 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,600 balance in that? I mean, it's following Jesus is 134 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:19,400 just being obedient to what he sets before you at the time to 135 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:23,520 do and let him sort out all the rest of it rather than trying to 136 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,600 sort it out yourself, your family, your kids. 137 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:32,600 I mean, it's, it's one thing to be important having your kids in 138 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,320 your heart and paying attention to them, not being so caught up 139 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,360 with work you forget your family. 140 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,799 But I mean, the Holy Spirit has been given to you as a believer 141 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:47,720 to be able to to guide you and to lead you day by day. 142 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:53,200 And being obedient to that leading will create a lifetime. 143 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,080 That's a fulfilled lifetime. Yeah. 144 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,000 I think to everyone listening in, Bob, like their pressure 145 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,200 that that they put added pressure on themselves. 146 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,080 They have added stress because they're listening to us right 147 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:05,720 now and they go, I can't find any balance. 148 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,760 I've never found any balance. And if I did find one sense of 149 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,360 balance, it was ripped away from me with a phone call or an 150 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,480 e-mail or or a sick child or any of the kind of pressures. 151 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,960 And this in the language of the world. 152 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,080 I think we have to step back. Like as I process this, we, we 153 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,640 have more of the world's thinking in US than we either 154 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,600 recognize or admit. And let's say we work in the 155 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,880 corporate, we work in the world. What the world wants is more of 156 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:34,840 us. And they use the words like 157 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,480 efficiency. You know, efficiency is a code 158 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,240 word is for we're going to work you into the ground and get as 159 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:44,000 much as I can out of you as much, as much much as I can as 160 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:48,040 the time that you give me. That's efficiency is it doesn't 161 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,640 just mean doing things well. It means if you do things well, 162 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,400 then that opens up more capacity to do more. 163 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,200 And that that there's a part of it where the world just take, 164 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,440 take, take, take, take, take, take, take. 165 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:04,120 And Jesus gives. He doesn't take. 166 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,560 He is so counterintuitive. The Kingdom of God is so 167 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:11,680 counterintuitive to the world in which we live. 168 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:17,760 One of the ways the world system has tried to address this is by 169 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:22,280 introducing a new way of doing things to make us feel better 170 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,200 about the pressures that we're feeling. 171 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,400 And you guys listening in might feel this. 172 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:32,240 They've introduced the phrase multitasking, I believe, along 173 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,880 with balance. There is no such thing as 174 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,480 multitasking as the world has presented it. 175 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:42,120 And here's what I mean. I'm not saying we can't do two 176 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,520 things at once or three things at once, like I can't. 177 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,480 I'm not saying that I know we can. 178 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,440 That's not what multitasking is. What multitasking is, is that 179 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:56,400 you can do two things at once exceptionally well or with equal 180 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,960 outcome. Like I can give my attention to 181 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,880 two things equally. I can multitask, I can type and 182 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,520 talk at the same time. And I've been proven wrong on 183 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:10,920 that 1000 different times. I remember the time where I have 184 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,600 a lot of memories of this, where I think it's how God has helped 185 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,880 me to form this, where at the end of the podcast you might 186 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,240 even say why that's a problem for you, but nobody else on the 187 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:20,720 planet. OK, that's fine. 188 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,200 I'll talk it out because it's going to be helpful for me to be 189 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:24,680 better. But I know it's not because I 190 00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:27,520 deal with a lot of people, but I'm OK if it's just for me. 191 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,840 But early in the days, the pressures of ministry were so 192 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,360 much and my position in the corporate world. 193 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,480 I work for an ambulance company 24/7. 194 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,040 The company was suffering, so it required a lot of my attention 195 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,480 and work. I would take my daughter, take 196 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:47,800 my kids to the park and I would take them to the park and put my 197 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:49,360 daughter in the swing and push her. 198 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,760 And I have vivid memories of being at the park pushing my 199 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:57,040 daughter with my right hand and on some phone call with my left. 200 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:02,040 I was multitasking and I was with my child at 1 and I was at 201 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:06,320 work at the at the at the same time, but not doing either one 202 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,760 with my full attention, not doing either one with my full 203 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,600 presence, not doing either one with excellence. 204 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,960 Even though if you asked me at the time, I would have told you 205 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,960 I did. I did it with what do you mean I 206 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,720 did it. I finished the phone call, took 207 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,680 care of it. Push my daughter on the string 208 00:12:22,680 --> 00:12:24,320 swings. Did it. 209 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,640 What was required at that time was to do one of them, just one. 210 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:34,400 And if my goal, if my goal that morning was walking out and 211 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,880 pushing my daughter on the swing, I should have left my 212 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,440 phone in the house. That's what I should have done. 213 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,840 I mean, if I look at it that way, I could do exactly what got 214 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,080 it called me to do in the moment. 215 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,520 And because Jesus put it in a different way, didn't he says no 216 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,800 man can serve 2 masters. You'll love the one, hate the 217 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,880 other, just talking about money, but the principles, the 218 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:59,000 principle is universal. And I think of a time not too 219 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,800 many years ago where I'm doing my e-mail and and I'm talking to 220 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,680 Marie. She walks into my office here at 221 00:13:06,680 --> 00:13:10,240 the church and I'm on my doing whatever e-mail. 222 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,680 I'm looking over my laptop to her. 223 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,080 She's talking to me. And then she walks right up to 224 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:19,320 my computer and closes it, which only she can do, just like in 225 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,880 another episode. Remember, she can also hand me 226 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,160 a, a mint. And she goes, you're not 227 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,240 listening to me at all. And I go, no, I'm listening. 228 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,240 You're just fine. Just what did I say? 229 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,920 Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I think you said something 230 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,600 about, about, about whatever, you know. 231 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:42,040 Well, that tells me that I might be able to look at her, hear 232 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,080 her, not listen, but hear her and type an e-mail. 233 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,760 And who knows how bad that response was or what I was I, 234 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,560 whatever I was reading. But I'm reminded that I, I can't 235 00:13:51,560 --> 00:13:57,160 do two things at once. Well, Jesus gives us words of 236 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,560 priority. If I'm following Jesus, he made 237 00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:04,640 it very clear if I seek him first and his righteousness, 238 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,440 everything else is going to follow. 239 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,600 And that's the key. He's going to put me where I 240 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,160 need to be. He's going to give me the 241 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,040 strength that I need. Like right now we are recording 242 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,720 this podcast and you already know somebody was at the door. 243 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,480 I need you. Well, it's not going to be right 244 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:20,480 now. I can't. 245 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,080 And I need to set aside even what I needed so I can give you 246 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,520 my full attention. But then I got a computer open, 247 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,360 so I got to make sure emails put down. 248 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,080 And then I've got a flashing phone here and I got to make 249 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,760 sure it's on do not disturb. Like you have to get my full 250 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,120 attention. I can't try to take this and 251 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,320 take that and take that. That's four things. 252 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,720 Just in the span of the last 15 minutes, I had four things. 253 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,800 I have to choose one, give it my full attention. 254 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,040 And that's because I think that's what God wants me to do. 255 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,640 If there was some emergency urgent, then I would say, OK, 256 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,120 Bob, I think we've got something more urgent. 257 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,320 Let me excuse myself, but this whole idea, Have you thought 258 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,200 about this as deep in my overthinking? 259 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,960 I mean, like, I want to set people free from this extra 260 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:07,720 pressure they might be putting on themselves. 261 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,880 Well, I think that if you have, if you're in a family setting 262 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:20,040 and you have an urgent call that has to come in at 7:00 PM, then 263 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:25,040 you need to communicate and not just so excuse me, I'm gone. 264 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:29,120 You need to communicate to them that you have a priority. 265 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,400 Like, like you were saying here and you go, well, you know, the 266 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,520 kids are crying and this and that and going, well, I, I have 267 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,040 to take care of this. And, and so this is my this is 268 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,640 my focus. And I think it's extending grace 269 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,840 just to have grace space in the family to but you got to 270 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,840 communicate what your expectations are because if you 271 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,000 don't do that, then it creates conflict. 272 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,360 I'm speaking from personal experience, OK. 273 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:02,960 And so I have my issue personally is I have to be 274 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:13,680 careful of my phone because my wife wants my attention and 275 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:21,360 sometimes she has 3 or 4 minutes between the things she says. 276 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:27,440 And so if she stops, then my go to is I need to check my e-mail 277 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,600 and then she sees it as I'm not done. 278 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,800 And so there's, you know, there's things that that I have 279 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,160 to realize about myself that there's, if there's dead air 280 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,920 time, it doesn't mean that that she's done communicating. 281 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:47,000 So, and so I've got to just learn to grow in that. 282 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,960 I mean, I've been married but 54 years. 283 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:54,200 And so I'm still learning about that. 284 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:59,200 And so I've got to just choose my time wisely and be sensitive 285 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,680 to the moment. I want to set you free. 286 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,960 That's my thought. Like when I, I, I really have 287 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:08,200 rarely had someone come to me and say they have found the 288 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,280 balance. It's almost always how do I find 289 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,880 the balance? And the first step is setting 290 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,280 aside this definition of balance and saying, what do I want to 291 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,880 accomplish in life? Like what I want, I want to 292 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,480 honor the Lord. And if I want to honor the Lord, 293 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,480 then I'm going to listen to him. We don't have the privilege, 294 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,080 which would be kind of cool in some respects and interesting in 295 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,720 others, but to have Jesus in the flesh here coming and saying Bob 296 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,320 Klay camp, pick up your stuff and come follow me for three 297 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,720 years. We don't have that kind of 298 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,040 relationship. It's not God is not calling us 299 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,320 into that type of relationship any longer. 300 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,840 It's it his dispensation has changed. 301 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,440 It's a different time, but he is calling us into full commitment. 302 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:56,000 So how does full commitment look like to him and full commitment 303 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,040 looks like to him that we trust him by abiding in him, drawing 304 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:04,600 on his resources and believing that our priorities and 305 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,680 believing that he is going to help us keep our priorities in 306 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,320 order. And the another way that has 307 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,920 over the years trying the church has tried to approach this is to 308 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,440 set those priorities for us. And it's, it's like God first 309 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,840 and then family, then the church. 310 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,440 And we're like, well, where's that in the Bible? 311 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,640 I don't see that that pyramid in the Bible. 312 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:31,200 This is what I see in the Bible. God first and he'll sort it all 313 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:37,040 out for you because this sense of balance is very difficult to, 314 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:39,520 to, to, to get. So let's say for you and I, 315 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,440 we're going to spend in the and we already have. 316 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,440 So the previous season, I think we did 10 episodes. 317 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,440 We didn't 10 episodes of half hour. 318 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,000 So we invested, let's say, six hours of our time. 319 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,320 Six hours. So does that mean now that I 320 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:58,320 need to find six hours with Marie and you need to go back 321 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,880 and, and sit down and go, OK, Jeannie, sit down. 322 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,800 Because in order to balance out my life, I've got to give you 6 323 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,760 hours. So I just want, you know, the 324 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,720 clock is starting right now. Now we, that's silly, That's 325 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:12,600 silly. You're laughing. 326 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,440 I'm that's silly. But in our minds, we, we start 327 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,960 the clock in the clock, start the clock in the clock, start 328 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:23,120 the clock in the clock. When I believe in the, in the 329 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,160 recording of the sessions of the podcast, that's what God wanted 330 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,160 me to do. I pray that my wife also 331 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,880 believes that and that my children are like maybe 332 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:35,520 recording the podcast isn't the same. 333 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:39,600 Maybe it's 8 hours at work. I believe my kids will 334 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,320 understand that in order to provide for the needs of my 335 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:47,000 family, I'm at work for 8 hours. I'm not striving when I get home 336 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,280 now to find 8 hours with the kids. 337 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:54,920 So let's say 5:00 PM comes along and now starting at 6:00 I've 338 00:19:54,920 --> 00:20:00,640 got to do 8 hours Will 8 hours with the kids starting at 6 is. 339 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:02,960 You know, what is that 2:00 AM in the morning? 340 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:10,080 Well, that that is not possible. It's sacrifice and it's 341 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:15,320 sacrifice in the realm of what God has set as our priorities. 342 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,880 And if we don't have our priorities in order, then 343 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,920 everything is going to be upside down. 344 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,840 And one of the ways that the world, the churches started to 345 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:31,440 describe this today is to recognize, analyze and recognize 346 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,440 the rhythms in life where you recognize your. 347 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,960 And I like that. I, I like that sense where that 348 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,800 when the kids are small, it's a different rhythm when there are 349 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,840 events at church, it's a different rhythm when there's 350 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:48,560 like, I think of accountants, you know, I, any accountant that 351 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,760 you know, is going to be absolutely unavailable in March 352 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:57,120 because it's a rhythm and tax seasons coming up and as they're 353 00:20:57,120 --> 00:21:01,240 just going to be slammed. And but that makes them more 354 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,120 available in May because that's a quieter month. 355 00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:08,200 And learning your rhythms helps take some of that pressure off 356 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,640 where you're being anxious for nothing. 357 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:15,360 And I think balance and multitasking has made has added 358 00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:20,240 anxiety and pressure and stress instead of just looking to the 359 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,520 King. And he'll tell us what to do, 360 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,600 He'll affirm us, He'll correct us, He will lead us. 361 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,640 And we can trust him with our lives. 362 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,880 Well, yeah, I mean, you can have a season of work where it's 363 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:37,000 where it's highly demanding for a season and in your mind you go 364 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,960 I need to spend time with the kids. 365 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:44,080 The go to with that thought is you go to the Lord and you say, 366 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:49,280 God, I would like to have you block out some time that I could 367 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,920 spend with my kids. You could you work out the 368 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:58,000 circumstances and help me recognize it and not just go 369 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:04,240 because I'm I have momentum. I want to let every day be fresh 370 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,320 every day be new. Jesus said sufficient to the day 371 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,240 is the evil thereof. So I've got to go day by day, 372 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,120 but take it to the Lord because if, if he's the one who has the 373 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:19,000 schedule then or schedule, depending on where you're from, 374 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,160 then all of a sudden you're going to find yourself. 375 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,680 All of a sudden there's this gap and the kids are there, they're 376 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,760 just sitting in the living room and there's gas in the car and, 377 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:37,640 and you go, Hey, let's go up to Estes Park and let's just do 378 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,160 this. And so, you know, there you go. 379 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:46,000 And but it's, it's God wants to use the things of life to teach 380 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,040 us about him and about ourselves if we'll give him an 381 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,560 opportunity. Yes. 382 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,240 And by the way, Estes Park is a small little resort community 383 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,280 here in Colorado. It's worth visiting. 384 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:57,720 You should come out and visit us. 385 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,960 We would love to see you and meet you. 386 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:02,600 And you can go to Estes Park. There's a lot of elk up there 387 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,880 and one of the best. I think there was a candy store 388 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,480 up there that just got voted best saltwater taffy in the 389 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,360 world or the country or something. 390 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,520 And it's true. They have some great candy up 391 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:14,560 there. We go up there. 392 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,880 They also have a pie shop called You Need Pie. 393 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,640 It's behind McDonald's. You like pie? 394 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:21,480 Sort of. Yeah, that's good. 395 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,720 I I appreciate that because I was thinking too, with your 396 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,400 kids, they also have priorities. They got homework to do. 397 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,080 And so you can't stress out that they're not spending time with 398 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,560 you because they have responsibilities. 399 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,760 And one of the areas that God has has helped me in my own 400 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,920 rhythm of life, my own walk with the Lord, is to be present in 401 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:46,440 the moment and enjoy the moment for what it is, which I believe 402 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,560 is what Jesus was wanting to teach us. 403 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,720 Enjoy the moment. That's what you have. 404 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,880 Don't worry about tomorrow. That's what preceded that verse. 405 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,520 Don't worry about tomorrow. Don't be anxious, don't be 406 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,280 concerned. And it's not just worrying about 407 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,920 tomorrow, but it's worrying. I need the balance. 408 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,320 Know what you need is peace, the peace of God that surpasses all 409 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,160 understanding. And it is true that you could 410 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,920 give yourself more to something, to something or someone more 411 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,800 than you are to others. But as Bob, you were sharing Bob 412 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,400 like you take it to the Lord, He's going to show you. 413 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:28,600 He's going to reveal to you, he's going to help you be 414 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,120 exactly where you need to be with exactly who you need to be 415 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:33,280 even alone. I mean, you think about your 416 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,200 walk in the morning. Do you take Genie with you? 417 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,040 Sometimes. That's what I was expecting to 418 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,560 hear. It's sometimes it's not all the 419 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,200 time because there's no added pressure. 420 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,880 There's no added pressure. Jeannie, you have to come. 421 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,560 Yeah, but I'm not feeling well, Bob. 422 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,600 Well, then how are we ever going to be balanced? 423 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,640 Because you made the like. No, I'm not feeling well. 424 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,880 Or I just don't want to walk today. 425 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,720 Hey, no problem. Like it's. 426 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,200 But we're adding. I think that's where I'm coming 427 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:06,200 from where I'm watching the hurried rush pressure pack and 428 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,680 when it comes to ministry, when it comes to serving in the 429 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,280 church, volunteering in the church, here's what happens. 430 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,960 I can't find balance. Something's got to give. 431 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,280 I'm going to quit serving. That's going to bring me the 432 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,400 balance that I need. That's going to no, it's 433 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,720 actually it's not going to do anything other than if the Lord 434 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,360 didn't tell you to step out of ministry, then you're just going 435 00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:27,200 to have all kind. You're going to have more time 436 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,880 to spend on something else that you're still not going to feel 437 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,800 balance. You're going to fill that time 438 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,080 with something and it and it should be filled with serving 439 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,120 the Lord. I should step into service. 440 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:40,680 I was made to serve, but I also shouldn't step out of service 441 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,680 unless the Lord leads me. And I've watched that rarely do 442 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,440 people quit on quit at work. I feel so imbalanced. 443 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,520 I quit my job. No, they don't do that. 444 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,840 Or I quit my home. Nope, they don't do that. 445 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,560 They always quit serving in the church. 446 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,760 I remember a time pastoring in Phoenix where I felt like I was 447 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,840 at a a logger jam where we weren't going forward. 448 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,720 Been there 14 years. And I was thinking, well, maybe 449 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,480 I'm just done. I'm just done, you know, so I'm 450 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,280 going to, I even start talking to my my leadership. 451 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,840 Well, I think I'm kind of done. We should probably think about 452 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,800 what? And and then the Lord kind of 453 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,120 sat me down and said, OK, let's let's sort this out here. 454 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,360 Are you called to be here? Did I call you to pass through 455 00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:28,040 this church? And I'm like, yeah, that's fine. 456 00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:32,840 Have I called you to leave? Well, probably not, but I don't 457 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,160 care. Are you asking me? 458 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,760 If I And then he said yeah. And then he said, look, if I've 459 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,440 called you to be here and I have not called you to leave, you 460 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:44,960 have no business lead. Yeah. 461 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:49,480 So you made the call. Yeah, it's like the best counsel 462 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,200 in the world, right, Bob? Stop it. 463 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,520 Yeah, 2 words. Yeah, stop it. 464 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,840 In English. But the purpose of this 465 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,960 discussion is and, and in our next episode, we're going to 466 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:06,040 bring up another topic that I want to reconsider from just the 467 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,840 normal way of thinking of it, which is fun for me. 468 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,600 I like to explore this way because it helps bring some 469 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,800 depth and some some growth in this. 470 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,040 But the purpose of why I brought this up because I, I just see 471 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,320 it. I see this added burden of 472 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,640 stress, which leads to prayerlessness that leads to 473 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,880 frustration. It leads to, you know, people 474 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,880 are unhappy, they're they're fearful. 475 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,640 Maybe I'm making all the wrong decisions only because they 476 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,800 can't find balance their whole life. 477 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,880 I just can't find the balance when maybe balance isn't doesn't 478 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,960 even exist the way you think. Maybe balance. 479 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,000 We need to reconsider it in terms of I'm going to do what's 480 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,120 in front of me. I'm going to be faithful. 481 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,280 I trust the Lord to leave him of my life. 482 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,360 He'll have me where he wants me. He'll tell me to go, He'll tell 483 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:55,680 me to stop. Sometimes I'm going to give more 484 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,360 time to this, but then I'll give ever time to this. 485 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,640 And I think of pastors in particular, just for a moment. 486 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:07,520 Pastors, take time off. Enjoy your days off. 487 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,760 Some pastors only get one day off because the church they're 488 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,760 in, they follow the Sabbath model. 489 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,880 Fine, that's fine. Then make sure that's a true day 490 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,400 off of rest. Make sure it's real rest. 491 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,200 If you get 2 days, make sure it's real rest. 492 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:27,080 Let God define what rest is. If you get vacation time, take a 493 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,840 vacation. Because what happens is these 494 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,320 guys build up, be able to build up. 495 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,600 And now what's becoming popular is sabbatical, sabbatical, 496 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,160 sabbaticals. I'm not opposed to a sabbatical, 497 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,760 but sometimes you get to that place because you didn't know 498 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,280 how to take and they, they take a sabbatical and then half of 499 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:43,840 it's wasted because they don't know how to rest. 500 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,720 They're just so wound up, wound up, they don't know how to rest. 501 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,160 You got to train yourself to rest little by little by little 502 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,280 and the Lord will take care of his church and the Lord will 503 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,160 take I. I had to learn this at work. 504 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,760 Like I was just so caught up in work. 505 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,440 And no, it'll, they'll be fine. They're all it's going to be 506 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,640 fine. Ed, enjoy me today. 507 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,400 You're going on a walk. You know how you were mentioned 508 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,160 how you get distracted at times like we all do. 509 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,280 The walk is actually training you to be less distracted. 510 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,560 It's not like it's going to go away because we're human. 511 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,640 But again, I'd. I want to be able, if I'm going 512 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,040 to be more effective, not necessarily more efficient, but 513 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,000 more effective, then I need to learn to follow the shepherd. 514 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,520 Yeah, that's the key. And if. 515 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,120 You want more fruit then you have to sow. 516 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:38,080 There can be no fruit unless you sow seed Yes and so checking out 517 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,000 and going, I'm just going to go get a cabin in the woods and 518 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,480 chill that. How are you sowing? 519 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,240 Yes. How are you being fruitful? 520 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,800 That's the whole goal. Lay up treasure in heaven, being 521 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,760 fruitful in your latter times. Yeah, that's good. 522 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,440 So thanks for being with me today, Bob. 523 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,160 We're at the end of another episode. 524 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,560 It's been a really good episode. I hope you share your feedback 525 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,560 because it's a new thought for some of you. 526 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,680 It's a new way of approaching this topic of balance. 527 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:12,200 E-mail me ed@edtaylor.org, but leave a good review so that the 528 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,200 algorithm picks up the podcast and exposes more people to it. 529 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:22,840 And then, of course, you can text US 720-608-0012. 530 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,000 And in our episode next week, we're going to explore another 531 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,480 topic that we're going to rethink, and you'll have to tune 532 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,560 in. We'll post it next week, but 533 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,080 you'll have to tune in. And I want to talk with Bob 534 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,880 about another topic that is worthy of rethinking because it 535 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:46,560 added it adds so much unneeded worry, anxiety, stress, pride to 536 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,080 a servant and a leader and a pastor's life. 537 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,120 And I want to talk it out loud, but that will be next time. 538 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,120 So until then, thanks for tuning in. 539 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,520 Thanks for sharing it. Put this on your social media, 540 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,440 leave us some feedback, and may the Lord bless you, encourage 541 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,320 you, and strengthen you in your walk with the Lord as a servant 542 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,120 of Jesus. 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