1 00:00:05,630 --> 00:00:09,510 Calvary Church presents lead to Serve, a leadership podcast with 2 00:00:09,510 --> 00:00:12,790 Ed Taylor. Hey, welcome again to another 3 00:00:12,790 --> 00:00:14,910 edition of the Lead to Serve podcast. 4 00:00:14,910 --> 00:00:19,470 My name is Ed Taylor, I'm your host today in every episode as 5 00:00:19,470 --> 00:00:25,430 we're well into Season 6 now of the Lead to Serve podcast. 6 00:00:25,910 --> 00:00:28,750 Again, we're so grateful for your response. 7 00:00:28,750 --> 00:00:32,479 We're so grateful that you are leaving reviews that you're 8 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,560 sharing it on social media, telling your friends about. 9 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:40,240 I just literally received feedback today from the East 10 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:45,240 Coast of a brother and his family that are being built up 11 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,920 by this podcast. So thank you guys. 12 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,920 You know what our goal is? Our goal is to help you grow in 13 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,800 your servant leadership so that you'll glorify God in everything 14 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,280 that you do, whether you're serving in the church, which of 15 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:03,040 course is the backdrop, but you can be serving at home, in your 16 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,600 community, at work, on the softball field, wherever you 17 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,520 might be, we're grateful. Why? 18 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:13,240 Because the better servant you are, the better leader you will 19 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,680 become. Joining me in studio today is 20 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,360 our good friend, Pastor Bob Klay Camp. 21 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,360 Welcome, Bob. Hey, it's great to be here. 22 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,760 Another episode, another day, and another topic. 23 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,880 Let's jump right in to the topic. 24 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,280 The topic is. I think we need a new definition 25 00:01:30,320 --> 00:01:37,400 of success because the current definition of success leads to 26 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:43,480 frustration, covetousness, difficulty, you name it. 27 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:49,480 It has a tendency to lay heavy burdens where heavy burdens are 28 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,040 not necessary. It's almost like our topic last 29 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:57,080 time in our last episode where we were talking about a new 30 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:01,040 definition of balance and just being able to talk it out. 31 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,360 And again, when you're listening to the podcast, I don't believe 32 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,360 you have to give us 100% agreement. 33 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,120 You don't have to agree with everything. 34 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,080 You don't have to, You know, you could even be listening to the 35 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,680 podcast, listening to this right now in no way, I don't believe, 36 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,160 but at least you're, you know, yelling at your radio. 37 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,040 You probably don't do that. But just like disagreeing or 38 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,280 wrestling with the topic, that's good. 39 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,440 That would be great. These are things that I've been 40 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:29,120 thinking about for a while in my own life, in my own ministry, as 41 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,960 I'm serving in our church, I'm serving other pastors. 42 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,400 But a new definition of success is similar to this new 43 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,240 definition of balance, or the fact that I don't think balance 44 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,040 exists the way it's been presented to us because it'll 45 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:50,680 remove from us these levels of burdens and this heaviness in 46 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,680 trying to accomplish something when many times we're already 47 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,000 there. So we're already at the level of 48 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,120 success. So that's going to be our topic 49 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,760 today. We're not scripted, although we 50 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,960 have some notes in front of us and some scriptures to 51 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,080 reference. This isn't a scripted podcast. 52 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,240 It's actually us talking out loud. 53 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,120 Bob and I, whatever the topic is working it out. 54 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,800 That's why you might hear a few bumps in the road or you might 55 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:21,240 hear a few Umm's and Ah's because it's just like you were 56 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,680 in our office talking about this and wrestling with it and 57 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:26,880 growing in. I mean, look at this. 58 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,200 I started the podcast already and I forgot to set the timer. 59 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,880 So this one might be a little bit longer than usual, but the 60 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,040 timer is set while I'm talking and setting the timer at the 61 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,680 same time. But any rate, success, success. 62 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:46,880 Here's the dictionary definition of success, the accomplishment 63 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:53,480 of an aim or a purpose. A sub sub definition of that is 64 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:59,360 the attainment of fame, wealth or social status. 65 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:06,400 And I might even add social media status and then that. 66 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,080 That's pretty much, that's good enough. 67 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,280 The accomplish of a name or a purpose or the attainment of 68 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:17,240 fame, wealth and social status. So let me just talk real briefly 69 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,800 and then invite Bob into the conversation. 70 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:25,760 Here's where this comes from and I speak primarily to pastors, 71 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,720 leaders. I'm thinking of moms today and 72 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:34,280 dads as parents that just feel like they're an utter failure, 73 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,000 which will be our next topic, but they don't feel like they're 74 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,200 successful for whatever reason. Let's take parents, for example. 75 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,200 Bob, a big thing today, parents, there's always some new way to 76 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:46,880 parent. I could be a helicopter, parent 77 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,640 I can be. Hands off parent. 78 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,600 I can be grace based parent. I can be parenting of 79 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,400 scheduling. And there's all these 80 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,400 methodologies. A person can adopt A 81 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,320 methodology. I've run it to its exact course 82 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,280 and then still feel like they weren't successful, like they're 83 00:05:04,280 --> 00:05:06,800 still in a place where I did everything for my kids. 84 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,480 But look, look what happened. Look what happened to my kids or 85 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,200 look what's happening to our kids. 86 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:16,240 And they've replaced what I believe the the biblical 87 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,600 definition of success is, which I'll get to in a second. 88 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,200 They've replaced the biblical definition of success with 89 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,920 something else. Running a program, You know, I 90 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,600 think of a pastor, right? Let's go into the pastor. 91 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,240 How big my church is, how many people come, how many people 92 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,800 watch me on social media, and you know how popular I am, how 93 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:41,000 many likes I have, how many loves I have, all of that is 94 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:46,400 replaced a very simple definition of success. 95 00:05:46,840 --> 00:05:50,880 That, and it could be a lot of different ways, but let's just 96 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:56,960 say #1A definition of success biblically is pleasing the Lord. 97 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,000 It is honoring God, it's pleasing the Lord. 98 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,640 Or in Matthew's Gospel, I would say that the biblical definition 99 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:10,280 of success is faithfulness. Faithfulness, Matthew chapter 100 00:06:10,280 --> 00:06:13,480 25, verse 23. With all that in mind, Bob, what 101 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,440 are some thoughts you have in relation to success? 102 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,880 Well in that definition it talked about you have an aim, 103 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:25,040 you have a goal, and success is defined by reaching that goal. 104 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:31,720 But you have to go back and ask what is Jesus goal? 105 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:36,240 What is his aim? Because if you're setting up a 106 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,480 different target than he has, you're already not going to have 107 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,560 success. Now the Kingdom of God is 108 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,560 clearly shown through the words of our Lord Jesus as well as all 109 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:53,800 the scriptures, and our definition of success must come 110 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,360 from the scriptures and from spending private time with the 111 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,280 Lord. I think that faith, courage and 112 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:06,320 skill are a threefold cord to Kingdom success. 113 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:11,240 And it's not the performance, but it starts with the 114 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:16,200 relationship with Jesus and understanding what his goals 115 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,720 are. Because I know that we can take 116 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:24,160 business principles from the world and do things efficiently 117 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,120 and more quickly and more profitable maybe. 118 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:34,680 But relationally, you have to have your goal connected to the 119 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:40,160 what his goal is overall. And even being faithful, 120 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,920 sometimes you're faithful to things that he hasn't asked you 121 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,680 to do because he hasn't given the grace to do it. 122 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:51,640 And I think this is where a lot of pastors and leaders set up 123 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:56,800 goals for themselves and ask God to bless those goals rather than 124 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,240 coming before the Lord and saying, what's your goal? 125 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,680 Because I want to be faithful to that. 126 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,120 I was in the corporate world for a few years before entering into 127 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,000 full time ministry. Bob and I remember the kind of 128 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:13,680 pressures that were put on us to provide the right numbers at our 129 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,120 weekly meeting. And sometimes the boss would 130 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:21,360 come into town and require demanding numbers, demanding 131 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,960 reports, so that we could quantify whatever thing that 132 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,000 they were looking for. And we would put the reports 133 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,520 together. And I remember the first 134 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,440 occasion when I had to do that, we had to stay up all night. 135 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,559 We had to run all these other reports, crunch the numbers, put 136 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,000 them all together so that when boss, when the boss came to to 137 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:43,440 the office in the morning, he demanded we give him this this 138 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,120 report. And I remember that first 139 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:50,480 occasion, me and my partner, the the brother that he wasn't a 140 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,520 brother, but the man that served alongside of me. 141 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,920 He was my he worked for me. He was my number one assistant 142 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,640 in that in the office as we are putting the things together, we 143 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,480 got everything. We put it in the binder, we had 144 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,440 it all together and a couple things I learned. 145 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:07,960 There was actually a few things I learned. 146 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:13,440 Number one, there was nothing I could do to improve those 147 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,600 numbers. There was nothing I could do. 148 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,800 There was nothing like it was there was so much of that report 149 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,520 was out of my control, but I was going to be held accountable for 150 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:23,880 it. And I'm like, man, I don't know 151 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,360 how am I going to, how am I ever going to measure? 152 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,400 I remember the frustration I I lived with where I was looking 153 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,040 at something, putting it all together, knowing I had to 154 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,000 answer for it. But I don't know. 90% of the 155 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,920 numbers were completely outside of my control. 156 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,080 It's definitely in the past. 100% of them were out of my 157 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:44,600 control because it's already done. 158 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,400 But any corrections or things that he would demand in the 159 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,600 future would not. Like for example, I work for an 160 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,240 ambulance company. I couldn't control how many 161 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,040 people call 911 that. And as a matter of fact, it's 162 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,080 counterintuitive. I wouldn't want them. 163 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,560 I would want those numbers to be low because that means less 164 00:09:59,560 --> 00:10:02,160 people would be hurt and in need of urgent medical care. 165 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,400 But that's a, that's a side that could be another podcast. 166 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,000 But we say that all the time, Bob. 167 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,920 We always have a new season in these discussions. 168 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:14,280 But number one, I couldn't control those numbers #2 I gave, 169 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,840 we gave him the report in the office. 170 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,480 He came in, introduced himself. He was, you know, the big dog. 171 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,480 And what was in the uppity, uppity up of the, of the company 172 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,840 rolls into town going to show his authority. 173 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,440 We hand him the report. He flipped through it and then 174 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:32,280 literally threw it in the trash and he said thanks, which which 175 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:37,160 was another lesson I learned, which is not the not necessarily 176 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,720 part of this topic, but it's worth mentioning is we were so 177 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,400 worried and concerned and we needed to get that report 178 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,440 because we thought it was so important, But actually it 179 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,760 wasn't that important. We we didn't need to be there 180 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,040 all night. We could have handed him 181 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:50,440 anything. He probably didn't look at it, 182 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,040 but it leads us to the third part. 183 00:10:53,080 --> 00:11:01,040 And that is the real success in that episode was not corporate 184 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,560 policies. It wasn't looking at business 185 00:11:03,560 --> 00:11:05,840 practices. It was just doing what we were 186 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,480 told that was success. We were faithful. 187 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,760 I wouldn't have known it necessarily. 188 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,400 I didn't associate it yet with biblical principles. 189 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,520 Maybe I don't really remember what I was thinking. 190 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,560 I was probably so worried that if he the numbers didn't look 191 00:11:19,560 --> 00:11:21,080 good, they were going to lay us off or something. 192 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,160 But once you get over that, the real success was just 193 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,160 faithfulness. I did what I was asked to do. 194 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:33,520 And when you say our definition of success must come from the 195 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,920 Scriptures and from spending time with the Lord, and we're 196 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:43,600 praying and we're having that, that, that word that we're just 197 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,600 getting our direction in the morning from God. 198 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,400 That's so important. But how does that look like this 199 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,880 morning? What did you have in your mind 200 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,040 using your private time for today? 201 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:01,880 Yes, in in my time, usually when the weather's nice, I like to go 202 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,480 for a walk and use that time as getting along with the Lord, 203 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,880 talking with him, getting down to the basics. 204 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:14,840 And as I was walking, it came back to me that Matthew 11 205 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:19,640 passage where Jesus said, come to me, all you that labor and 206 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:23,560 are heavy laden and I will give my I will give you rest, Take my 207 00:12:23,560 --> 00:12:29,040 yoke upon you and learn from me. And then there are three points 208 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:33,920 there and that's come to me. There is take my yoke and there 209 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:38,440 is learn from me. And those three things aren't 210 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,280 just when you initially turn your life over to Christ. 211 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,120 This is something that you deal with every single day. 212 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:51,520 And so that stirred my heart. Even though I taught on that 213 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:56,120 passage before, still it was fresh to me in the midst of all 214 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,480 the distractions that I've been going through recently. 215 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:02,640 It's like, let's get back to the basics here. 216 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:08,080 It's just you and me, Bob. And let's let's go over what I'm 217 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:12,680 concerned about and what my definition of success is. 218 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,920 In my DeVos today and, and this is I, I want to, I want to draw 219 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:22,800 this out because this is more organic than it is necessarily. 220 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,920 OK, I'm going to get up in the morning and I'm going to find 221 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,840 the principles and the business, the how to, how to be a better 222 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,960 anything. We have to, we just have to 223 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,800 change our thinking and say we're following Jesus. 224 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:40,480 You know what? However your imagination works 225 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,800 because obviously we can't. Jesus is in heaven seated, 226 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,160 standing, seated at the right hand of the Father. 227 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,040 He's indwelling us by his Holy Spirit, but we haven't picked up 228 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,400 and left our family and followed him and hung out with him for 229 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,720 three years all throughout the area of Galilee. 230 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:01,000 It's a different application today of being a follower or an 231 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,600 apprentice or a disciple of Christ. 232 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,840 So when I'm up this morning, I I knew that I had and I'll give 233 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,760 you my my what, what my morning look like just today. 234 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,800 What my morning look like is I knew we would do we be doing 235 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,360 some recording today, which means I'm going to lose a lot of 236 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:22,480 work time today in other areas. This is a joy. 237 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,720 It's not even like work, but it is kind of work. 238 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,360 It's part of our ministry here, but it's, it's fun. 239 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,920 But I have things that I have things I forget what they called 240 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,680 them, but I've, I've got to produce them. 241 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,440 I've got to teach a Bible study this weekend. 242 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,120 I've got to prepare. I've got a lot. 243 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,080 So I have a lot. So I know that I have 4 hours 244 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,960 today on that. And so my first temptation today 245 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:51,600 was to skip DeVos and in my mind, just say I'm in the word, 246 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:56,400 I'm working for the Lord. I don't, I can get along without 247 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,800 private time this morning, which may or may not be true. 248 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,560 I, I, I teach all the time, read your Bible and pray everyday. 249 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:08,200 I I want to do that, but that's the first option. 250 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,640 That's before me. That was the first thing I faced 251 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:18,360 after I got ready for the day. That was the first choice or 252 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,440 even temptation. And today I chose DeVos. 253 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,840 I chose to do I. It is not a waste of my time to 254 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,160 spend time with the Lord and settle aside my work, even 255 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,360 though it's church work, it's not a waste of time to do it. 256 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,760 I open up in on my iPad. This is what I did. 257 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,920 I went to Luke chapter 12 where I'm reading right now, really 258 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:45,600 following Christ and following Jesus, and this is what he said. 259 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,840 So this is what the Lord gave to me as soon as I open up the 260 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,920 Bible. Beware of the leaven of the 261 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:56,520 Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. There's nothing covered that 262 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,200 will not be revealed nor hidden that will not be known. 263 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,600 And then I read through the next couple chapters, but this stuck 264 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,520 out to me of one of the things that He shared with me, because 265 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:10,200 there is a warning and it's on the heels. 266 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,200 Isn't it just the timing of the Holy Spirit? 267 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,840 It's on the heels of this personal decision that I make of 268 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,480 whether I should do my DeVos or not. 269 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,120 And then just jump into church work on spiritual work, which I 270 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,040 know will honor the Lord. But just beware of this ad 271 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:30,440 beware of hypocrisy, which I'm like, OK, Lord, I, I, I'm, I'm 272 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,040 not a hypocrite. I'm, I, I want to live 273 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:34,800 authentic. I just taught on that two weeks 274 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,800 ago. Use the whole section in Acts 20 275 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,160 on this, but this is a leadership principle. 276 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,040 It's also a personal principle. It's my life, but also a 277 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,360 leadership principle where, hey, you know what? 278 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,160 This is key from the lips of Jesus himself. 279 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,640 You got to be aware that hypocrisy is a big deal. 280 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,240 You better watch out for it. You better pay attention to it. 281 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,560 And even if you cover something up and you think you got away 282 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,080 with it, it's not, it's going to be revealed and almost always 283 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,960 going to be revealed. So there's a, there's a natural 284 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:10,599 flow of the Holy Spirit to take his word and embedded in our 285 00:17:10,599 --> 00:17:14,119 hearts so that it can be applied at different places. 286 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:18,160 So when, when Pastor Bob tells us that our definition of 287 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,520 success has to come from the Scriptures, we, we have to take 288 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:25,359 every other definition of success and, and submit it to 289 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,640 the Scriptures and make sure that in the private heart 290 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,680 matter, because this is a private heart matter. 291 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:36,440 I could have done all sorts of spiritual activity and let me 292 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:41,200 just say, let me just say there are times where I may, you may 293 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:45,960 somebody listening may have to jot out the door without sitting 294 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:50,200 down and reading the Bible without being hypocritical like 295 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,000 that, like this can't be some legalistic heavy burden. 296 00:17:53,120 --> 00:17:55,120 There may just be I've got to catch a plane. 297 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:57,640 I got I woke up late. I don't control that. 298 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,360 I got to get to work. I'd be there. 299 00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:02,760 There are times so don't tie it in with well, I have to do my 300 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:04,760 DeVos every morning. We don't want to be legalistic 301 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,280 about this, but for me today, this is what got revealed. 302 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,680 You got 4 hours of work. Are you willing to give half 303 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,920 hour, 45 minutes of that on top of that up for your personal 304 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,560 devo time. And I say yes, not even knowing 305 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,000 that this would be the part of our topic today because this is 306 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:25,720 we're just talking about success and and so getting it from the 307 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,240 scriptures private time with the Lord. 308 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:29,960 You don't even have to look for it. 309 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:31,760 That's the point I'm trying to make. 310 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,120 You don't even have to look for it because the Lord will tell 311 00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:38,560 you, he will fashion inform you into being the kind of leader 312 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,400 and servant that he wants you to be. 313 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:46,240 And then for my conclusion in Matthew 25, Jesus said, he said, 314 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:52,320 the Lord will say to him, well done, good and faithful servant. 315 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,600 You have been faithful over a few things. 316 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,400 I'll make you rule over many things. 317 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:02,160 Enter into the joy of the Lord. The pathway to joy is being a 318 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,240 good and faithful servant, faithful over what's been given 319 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,640 to us. So Bob, I want to, I want your 320 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,480 input on this. You say you have three, you have 321 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:16,560 a three fold cord to Kingdom success, faith, courage and 322 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,680 skill. What do you mean by that? 323 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:24,960 It comes from Psalm 72, I believe, where at the end it 324 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:29,960 said that the Lord chose David and brought him from the 325 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:35,160 sheepfold. And it's let me, I don't have it 326 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:40,280 right here in front of me, but in that he he, he shepherded 327 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:46,440 them with the skill and the integrity of his heart and sold 328 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:52,760 skill and his his heart for caring for the sheep. 329 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:58,160 There was a combination. And so there was courage because 330 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,360 you're. David had to protect the sheep 331 00:20:02,360 --> 00:20:05,760 from the lion and the bear and he had to go confront it and not 332 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,440 just run off. And so courage is involved, 333 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:14,040 faith, trusting in the Lord and him being in charge of 334 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,600 everything, him handling the outcome and all that. 335 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:23,440 And then also his skill that he had learned over the time that 336 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,320 he was taking care of the sheep, because at the longer he was 337 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,360 doing that, the more skillful he became. 338 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:34,960 And in following Jesus there is still that same faith required. 339 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,640 There is courage to do the difficult things and the hard 340 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:43,240 things. And then there is skill, because 341 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,800 the Lord wants us to do what we do with excellence as much as is 342 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,640 in US. I think Jesus makes room for us 343 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,960 too, in this definition of faithfulness. 344 00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:54,280 And perhaps you're listening right now and you have a whole 345 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,320 different definition. We'd love to hear it. 346 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,760 We'd love to hear your feedback. Where you're listening to this, 347 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:02,560 I know there won't be much disagreement on it. 348 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,320 It might there'll be way more freedom and release from this 349 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:11,280 particular last week's, this week's and next week's podcast 350 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,360 episodes. I really get I think this is a 351 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:17,120 word from the Lord just ready to free people to free you from 352 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:20,400 this burden of I just never feel like it can balance anything 353 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,480 because you never will. It will never happen that we 354 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,840 have to change our definition of balance because the words of the 355 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:32,280 Bible are more like sacrifice and commitment and and giving 356 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,080 rather than trying to balance everything. 357 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,720 So there's one piece of freedom. The second piece of freedom is 358 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:39,800 what is success. Well, you know what? 359 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,600 I did everything I could and my child still I did everything I 360 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,280 could and my church still I did everything I could and my spouse 361 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,000 still. Well, then the the real question 362 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,560 is everything you could. Were you faithful? 363 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,280 Well, yeah. Well, then you were successful. 364 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,160 So much in life like that illustration I used at work is 365 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,680 outside of our control, that the decisions are outside. 366 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,400 All I have is my own personal walk with the Lord. 367 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,480 And I think faithfulness measures it. 368 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,920 Faithfulness makes room for our faith and trust in the Lord. 369 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,640 Faithfulness makes room for courage that the Lord gives to 370 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,560 us. Courage makes room for skill as 371 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,560 we present ourselves to the Lord, which which, like you say, 372 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,520 Bob regular, bringing our expectations and our desires 373 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:33,120 regularly to the Lord so that he can change them, affirm them, 374 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,520 direct them and like remembering that this thing, this, this is 375 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,640 not our deal. This is God's deal. 376 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,600 We're in his hands. It so how he wants to use us, 377 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,480 how he wants to lead us, how he wants to help us if we're not 378 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,520 coming back, as my pastor used to say, if we're not praying, 379 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,160 we're not in prayer. Going back to headquarters and 380 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,360 giving our getting our direction from headquarters, then we're 381 00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:02,760 going to find ourselves meandering off on a path where 382 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,640 we have the world's definitions. And then we come and we go. 383 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,520 Well, look at our church today, Bob. 384 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,800 There was far less people in our church service this week than 385 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,200 they were last week. Well, what what does that mean 386 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,760 exactly? We aren't sure yet what that 387 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,880 means. We really don't know, but I can 388 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,360 tell you what it doesn't mean at the outset. 389 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,200 It doesn't immediately mean you're not successful. 390 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,600 We don't know what it means. It could be a lot of things it 391 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,160 there could be. If we had, I mean, it would be 392 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:34,920 dramatic for us if we had a church service here this weekend 393 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,480 that was 50% lighter than the previous one. 394 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,920 That would be a message that that would be saying something. 395 00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:46,080 But we don't need to jump to conclusions right away that of 396 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,560 what it says yet. But I'm, I'm pretty confident 397 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,520 looking at the previous week. Let's just say it happened here. 398 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,520 That's an example. Last week I was faithful. 399 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,920 I gave the word of God, the Holy Spirit was here, the worship 400 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:01,600 team served. You were here serving. 401 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,320 I was faithful, you were faithful. 402 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,200 So that when 50% of the church doesn't come in at the following 403 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,600 week, doesn't mean we weren't successful. 404 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:11,720 There's a lot of things I remember. 405 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,360 Again, another illustration in the church planting realm. 406 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,240 When I first moved here and I we were meeting in the school, I 407 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,360 didn't, I really was green as green could be. 408 00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:23,840 I didn't know anything about anything church planting. 409 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:28,040 We had a successful glorious church service with, I don't 410 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:32,360 know, 50 or 60 adults there. The next week there was maybe 20 411 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:35,040 or 30 adults there. And I'm just freaking out like 412 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,280 what is going on? I don't know if I could do this 413 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,240 the rest of my life. This kind of wild Sprint swings 414 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,120 and, and I remember talking to one of the brothers there that I 415 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:48,480 was like, what's going on? And he, he goes, oh, Ed, the 416 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:53,520 Broncos played the, the Denver Broncos played this today and 417 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,000 the time of the game, we only had one service. 418 00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:59,640 So it was like a 10:00 game. We have a 10:00 service. 419 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:05,440 And I learned that I moved to a city where they value football, 420 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,600 especially back then They, it's the right after the year they 421 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,640 went back-to-back Super Bowls. So they valued football. 422 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,000 It's it's still very important component of our community here. 423 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,520 And I needed to learn that football will influence some 424 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,240 people in their church attendance. 425 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,840 But then all that did with me is just win me over. 426 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,760 Like, no, I need to win them over to the Lord. 427 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,920 I need them to love God and learn how to love God. 428 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,000 But it didn't necessarily mean anything negative. 429 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,520 I just needed to learn something. 430 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,760 I was successful the previous week. 431 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,160 I was successful that week only because I did what God had 432 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,480 called me to do. I was faithful. 433 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,840 Any final thoughts were already out of time. 434 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:52,560 I have been around the States as well as Europe and and the UK 435 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,360 and talking to missionaries, especially after 15 years, they 436 00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:00,440 say what am I doing wrong? I'm back to where I was when I 437 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,280 started and I don't understand. I'm doing everything that I see 438 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,720 all these successful pastor's doing and I don't get it. 439 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,840 I don't understand. And there is a a perspective 440 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:18,320 reality that you sometimes we come with hidden expectations on 441 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:23,320 what it's supposed to look like after so long a time and we 442 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:29,440 forget that God gives grace to every person according to his 443 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:34,840 own purpose and his own will. In Romans 12 verses, verse 3. 444 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,600 Yes, actually it is in just verse three. 445 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:42,760 It says for I say through the grace given to me to everyone 446 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:47,320 who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he 447 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:52,840 ought to think, but to think soberly as God has dealt to each 448 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,760 one a measure of faith. And so I remember pastoring in 449 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:05,600 the UK and I could not grow the church beyond 50 or 60 people 450 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,040 and half of them were university students. 451 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,920 And no matter what I did, that was just, I'm going, what is the 452 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:18,080 deal here? And the reality was I can only 453 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,680 operate within the measure of grace God gives to me. 454 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,520 And that's where success is defined. 455 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,720 And I have no control over that measure of grace. 456 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,320 It says, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. 457 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,920 So it was a refining time in my life. 458 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,360 It was a purifying time. It was a discouraging time, but 459 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:46,080 it was also a very learning and healthy time. 460 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,640 I think that phrase has come up that is important for us to 461 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,520 remember. There's so much outside of our 462 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,960 control. We really don't control whether 463 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,920 someone comes to church or not. We really don't control whether 464 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,560 a family decides to reconcile. We don't control. 465 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,480 There's so much that we don't control where it places us in a 466 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,800 position of being very uncomfortable and wanting to 467 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,080 jump in and control it because our measurements are wrong. 468 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,960 We think that if the church grows, we're successful, but 469 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,480 really we're operating, as you say, within the grace that's 470 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,680 been given to us. And we're 100% faithful. 471 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,160 I and that's exactly where we are. 472 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:30,960 When we are faithful, we are successful and when we are 473 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,520 successful, that means we've been faithful. 474 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,760 Don't ever forget that. You guys that are listening to 475 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:41,200 me right now, this, if you can get this so soon, it helps when 476 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,440 you're serving in the church. It helps when you're serving. 477 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,800 But faithfulness, I mean, again with that, that would be another 478 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,800 podcast to describe faithfulness because faithfulness does 479 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,560 require work. I think that also builds up the 480 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,240 skill part of what you the threefold core that you 481 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,480 mentioned, Bob, faithfulness does require back end work. 482 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,800 The Bible says if you desire the the position of a Bishop, you 483 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,880 desire a good work. Like there's work involved. 484 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,320 There's not laziness. So there's a whole different 485 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,160 angle to be faithful. But this is the the topic here 486 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,720 is hitting toward and leaning toward those of you listening is 487 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,600 like, yeah, I just don't think I'm successful. 488 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,480 And we want to give you some pieces of life to be able to 489 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,960 look back to and say, look, Jesus said this, I'm going to 490 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,800 give you something. Just be faithful with it, which 491 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,800 also explains why some people do more than others. 492 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,440 There's thirtyfold, sixtyfold, hundredfold, and if you're 493 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,160 comparing, you're like, well, I only have 30 and this guy's 494 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,120 always got 100, but you guys are both equally successful, one 495 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,920 like you're both equally successful because you've been 496 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,560 faithful within the where Bob is saying within the grace that 497 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,160 God's given us. Another way of understanding it 498 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,560 is the way that God is the capacity that he's given you the 499 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,480 abilities that he's given you the sphere of calling that he's 500 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,880 given you that the Lord is using you. 501 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,040 And so equate we want you to equate faithfulness with 502 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,520 success. But that ends our program today 503 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,800 because we ran out of time very, very quickly. 504 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,360 So thanks for joining us. The topic next time we'll just 505 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,280 give you a heads up is failure. We'll we'll be handling feelings 506 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:23,040 of failure and we'll build on this on topic here today with 507 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,520 success of how do we deal with feelings of failure? 508 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,280 What do we do with them? How do we respond to them? 509 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,000 What are ways that God can lead us away from them? 510 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,560 But this is the lead to serve podcast Pastor Bob Klaykamp 511 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:40,880 along with Pastor Ed Taylor talking about ministry, growing 512 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,040 in grace together. Make sure you leave us a good 513 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,560 review. Share this with your friends. 514 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,360 We'd love to hear from you. You can go to our website, Ed 515 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:56,480 Taylor Org Pastor Bob also has a website, bobclaycamp.com and 516 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,600 we'd love to hear from you. Be sure to share this with 517 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,440 someone. Until next time, stay close to 518 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,240 the Lord, be encouraged in Him. 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