1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,520 Welcome to today's broadcast of Lead to Serve, a leadership 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:13,320 podcast with Ed Taylor. Welcome again to another episode 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,600 of the Lead to Serve podcast. My name is Ed Taylor. 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:21,400 I'm the pastor here at Calvary Church in Aurora, Co. 5 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,360 By the way, Aurora is a Denver suburb. 6 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,200 We're on the east side of town. If you're thinking, you know if 7 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,000 you've ever flown into the Denver airport, we're directly 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:36,040 below the airport South, and I'm your host for the Lead to Serve 9 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:40,000 podcast. This is Season #5, a season that 10 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,680 I think is going fantastic. The feedback's great, The input 11 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,800 is great. The fruit has been wonderful. 12 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:51,440 So thank you for your response. Thank you for texting and 13 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,720 emailing and calling and collaborating with us. 14 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,680 The way you collaborate is you give us ideas, you give us good 15 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,520 reviews so that the algorithm will get the podcast in front of 16 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,440 the right people. You collaborate by praying for 17 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,400 us, by mentioning it and sharing this on your social media. 18 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,560 Forwarding it maybe a topic that you really ministered to you. 19 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,400 You might want to use it. Discipleship. 20 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,040 Rise with your team. There's so many ways that you 21 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,240 can collaborate with us and that's before we ever even talk. 22 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:27,560 I mean, if you need help, you can e-mail me ed@edtaylor.org 23 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,240 and we have a team of men here ready to serve. 24 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,360 Ready to help, Ready to encourage. 25 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,520 A pastor, Bob. He has even more time available 26 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,960 to him. If it's possible, he could even 27 00:01:40,960 --> 00:01:44,960 come out and help you at your church, maybe do an assessment, 28 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,040 or come and fill in for you if you need a week off to teach. 29 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,080 He's a part of something, an organization known as Poyman 30 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,800 Ministries. So he has all this freedom when 31 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,880 he's not scheduled. I mean for a guy that has a lot 32 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,680 of freedom, he also has a very full schedule at times. 33 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:03,320 So if you call them or e-mail him, you can just contact us 34 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,280 through the podcast, we'll get you in contact with them and you 35 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,000 could talk to him as well. 50 years of ministry experience 36 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,360 through a couple of different generations. 37 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,160 He's planted churches. He's been on the mission field. 38 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:19,840 He served as a hippie because he was a hippie and had a live in 39 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:25,080 ministry at A at A at a house. Just a wealth of ministry 40 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,480 experience. Bob, welcome to the program. 41 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,080 Yeah, absolutely. Great to be here. 42 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,440 You're a voice. You're here because feedback and 43 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,720 and you in particular. So it's 22 parts of the feedback 44 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,840 of one why you're here. One is people a lot of people 45 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,040 wrote in asking for the conversation style to continue 46 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,840 they like that and I do too because you never know where 47 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,200 it's going to go. But another piece of feedback is 48 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,800 they really appreciated you as part of the conversation. 49 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,800 Now, of course, I haven't had really anyone else on, so they 50 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,200 really, really do like you. But. 51 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:02,080 And they do, they appreciate your input even as we do here, 52 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,840 we. If you don't know the story 53 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,480 about Bob, you know he's been in ministry for 54 years. 54 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,720 He planted a church, handed it off to a young man in North 55 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,160 Phoenix. He was there for 29 years, had a 56 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,000 little gap of ministry, and then launched off into the mission 57 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,640 field in Exeter, England 6 1/2 years. 58 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:24,960 Then he came back and he's been serving here on our team in 59 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,720 Aurora for 4 1/2 years. But the the way he lands in 60 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:34,440 Aurora, part of the story is I was in our team here. 61 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,200 I was just praying, like, you know, on the way to the office. 62 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,320 On the way back, I felt like the team was hearing enough of my 63 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,200 voice and they certainly do. A lot of discipleship goes on 64 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,360 here, a lot of input goes on here. 65 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,920 But I was praying for a particular person. 66 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,720 And it's interesting. There's two people that I prayed 67 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,080 for, both clay camps end up being clay camps. 68 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:01,280 One was Bob and one was his son. But for Bob, I was driving 69 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,440 around really asking, Lord, Lord, we need a grandfatherly 70 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,560 voice on our team. We need a voice of wisdom. 71 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,960 We need a voice, an austere voice. 72 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:19,040 And just like maturity and like mindedness, like even though Bob 73 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,760 and I didn't really know each other all that much, although we 74 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,840 met in, I went to the mission field, served with his son. 75 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,800 But that like mindedness, but a voice that we could all receive 76 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:33,040 from, that we could all take in, that is different from mine. 77 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,720 But it it, it resonates with the Holy Spirit. 78 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,080 And you know, through a whole series of events, including a 79 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:44,440 medical crisis, Bob ends up praying about leaving Exeter and 80 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,080 he's praying about two locations and one of them's Aurora. 81 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,840 And God has let him here and his wife Jeannie. 82 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:52,120 And they are such a great addition. 83 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:54,280 Even more. You know how the Bible says, 84 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:57,600 Bob, that God wants to do exceedingly abundantly above all 85 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,840 we can think or ask. I mean it was even more. 86 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,520 It's what prompted was that voice and you certainly have 87 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,760 given us that voice. But you and your wife have 88 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,760 brought so much to this church. It's unbelievable. 89 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,560 We're so we so appreciate you and genius. 90 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,440 Unbelievable how God has used your giftings and and you're a 91 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,120 little bit older. You shared that in an earlier 92 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,680 episode. You're 73 in the latter season 93 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,800 of your life. And what tell us, just for the 94 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,800 sake of maybe younger guys that wonder if there's a future for 95 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,720 them, or even older guys and gals, tell us because I know it 96 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,440 already, but give us a real thumbnail of the word that God 97 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,280 gave you for this latter season of your life. 98 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,600 Yeah, I think it was. In reading Alan Redpath's book 99 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,760 on his devotional commentary on the book of Joshua and just 100 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,720 seeing Joshua and Caleb and their heart and their attitude 101 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:54,640 of the the whole focus was I I think we had been used a lot in 102 00:05:54,640 --> 00:06:01,280 the prior years but we of the tendency is just to slow down 103 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:05,680 and chill out and take it easy in your latter years. 104 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,720 But that didn't make any sense. With Jesus command to lay up 105 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,440 treasure in heaven. And so the prayer that became 106 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:19,160 ours, probably in the late 90s, it started that our latter years 107 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,920 would be more fruitful than our former years. 108 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,840 And don't try to figure out what that looks like. 109 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,200 Let the Lord determine because of it all has to do with his 110 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,920 glory and not our doesn't mean a larger church. 111 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,560 It doesn't mean anything like that. 112 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,760 It just means it's up to the Lord on what that looks like 113 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:43,400 because he, He is the one that's in charge and yeah. 114 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,320 Do you see God fulfilling that, or do you think it's still 115 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,360 elusive? I can see a greater measure of 116 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:55,480 how he's using us, but yet I can't stop there. 117 00:06:55,480 --> 00:07:00,720 I can't land on that. I have to stop trying to figure 118 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:05,320 it out because that's been my nemesis and that's. 119 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,040 Like that. What we were seeing in the last 120 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,240 episode about Pastor Chuck putting a place against 121 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:14,160 presumption and really having to stop this check to make sure I'm 122 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,720 moving forward, moving forward, moving forward. 123 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,360 I always like to remind you, like I always like to remind you 124 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,320 of the fruit that I see in your life and the abundance of fruit. 125 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,040 Although I don't have a comparison to the to the 126 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,720 previous, I don't need a comparison because I see what 127 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,920 God's doing now. And one of them is this. 128 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,520 Have you ever listened to a podcast before? 129 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,080 Like let's say five years ago? Have you ever listened to a 130 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,760 podcast maybe maybe four years ago? 131 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,360 Like, did you ever? Yeah, yeah, so. 132 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,120 So then, yeah, think about Did you ever think about You'd be a 133 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,400 prominent speaker on a podcast, and yet God knew. 134 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,200 That, yeah, he did. And God knew he would multiply 135 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,840 part of your ministry right through this technology that you 136 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,080 weren't even praying about in the 90s because it didn't exist. 137 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,480 Yeah. I mean, we had no idea we'd be 138 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,040 going to England, right? It was never on our prayer list. 139 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,440 Why would God do that when we never had it on our prayer list? 140 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,040 And one of the fruitful if I, if I'm speaking in order here, one 141 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,400 of the fruitful parts of the ministry was not merely the 142 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,000 church, but all the young people you guys were ministering to in 143 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,520 your. House international students 144 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:18,560 just looks random but then you look back and you see the it's 145 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,720 kind of like you know those connect connect the dot books 146 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,720 you know by the numbers you know the kids figure out what this is 147 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,560 that that's kind of how it is that's that's that's how it was 148 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,280 over there. You know, it's just part of the 149 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,360 adventure and it's still, it's always going to be that way. 150 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,440 Yeah, well, let's get to the topic today. 151 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,960 Great stuff. Just talking Ministry and Life 152 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,720 together. We're in episode #6, and the 153 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,360 title or the emphasis is you want to be more effective. 154 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,440 You want to be more usable. Here's a practical piece that is 155 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,520 so important, and that is you need to pay attention to the one 156 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,160 that's in front of you. You need to pay attention to the 157 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:56,200 person that is in front of you. There are a couple aspects of 158 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,000 this, but let me give you one of them and then I'll let Bob give 159 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,560 another that we have jotted down here. 160 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:05,560 But this is a Bob, I'm sure this has happened to you because you 161 00:09:05,560 --> 00:09:08,000 and I have been to a lot of conferences together, a lot of 162 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:12,480 pastors conferences, a lot of leader conferences, a lot of, a 163 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:17,640 lot of gatherings of people. And hopefully we haven't done 164 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,760 this, but there's a good chance that we have. 165 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,160 But certainly it's been done to us and that it's this. 166 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,080 And I'm going to use you as an example, even though you didn't 167 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,040 do it to me. Say hey, Bob, how you doing? 168 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:29,520 What's going on? How's your life? 169 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,240 How's Ministry? How's Jeannie going? 170 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,640 And you give me these quick answers, but you never really 171 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,200 look me in the eye because you're looking over my shoulder 172 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,440 and you're waiting. You know, Ed, you kind of 173 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,680 stopped me in the hallway here. And and I know you and we kind 174 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:50,080 of know each other but I see Pastor so and so about 30 feet 175 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,160 behind you. And that's the guy I really want 176 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,560 to talk to. And so you know, get done with 177 00:09:56,560 --> 00:09:59,920 your questions really, really quick here because I need to 178 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:02,840 swim past you. It's so true because I'm going 179 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,120 to try to connect with that guy and I don't even know if I can 180 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:06,440 connect to him because I don't really know. 181 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,760 But he's a lot more important to me right now than you are for 182 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,880 whatever reason. It could be good. 183 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,040 It could be bad. A lot of times it's not good. 184 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,880 And I don't think I'm being subjective here and you can 185 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,000 correct me that's I'm. I'm throwing it out there 186 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,280 because this is a pet peeve of mine and it bothers me because I 187 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,840 don't want to be like this because it's happened to me. 188 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,960 So like if it's more subjective, I'm willing to hear from you. 189 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:33,680 I really do think it's objective. 190 00:10:33,680 --> 00:10:38,360 I've this has happened countless times to me where I have not. 191 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,200 I'm in a conversation, somebody asked me a question about my 192 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,480 life or something. I'm starting to give you my and 193 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:44,920 they're not even paying attention to me. 194 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,760 And it happens all the time. But conferences in particular. 195 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,200 What are your thoughts about that? 196 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,640 Well, it's true. I'm guilty. 197 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:54,960 I'm. I've done it myself. 198 00:10:55,640 --> 00:11:00,680 And it's just I look back on, I think about it and what was the 199 00:11:00,680 --> 00:11:05,240 issue? The issue was my own need to be 200 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,320 recognized. I mean, I'm guilty. 201 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,640 I I've done it. But then I know what it's like 202 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,480 on the other side. When you come up to somebody, 203 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,200 you have a real serious issue and they're looking at you and 204 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,760 then they're looking over there, and then they're looking at you 205 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,800 and then looking over here. And it just makes you feel like 206 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,400 you're not so important. And you know, I'm taking this 207 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,240 guy's time, why am I even here? And and it's it's not walking in 208 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,000 love. Now I'm talking with someone 209 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,040 who's communicating to you their details. 210 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,120 Sometimes I feel awkward just staring at their face for 5 211 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,560 minutes and so I've got a I've got a kind of or when I'm trying 212 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:48,400 to talk I'm trying to think and so I'll look up or I'll look 213 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,600 away. And then I've watched them turn 214 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:56,040 their turn their head and and try to see who I'm looking at 215 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:01,640 which is is not I'm not doing that at the time but I And so 216 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:06,000 each individual is different and it really comes to the point 217 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:11,000 where you you just focus on the person in front of you and you 218 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,040 got to trust the Lord with all the rest of it. 219 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,320 God. God sets up divine appointments 220 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,120 and this person's come to you. Give them your full attention. 221 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,960 And I would agree that there's a distinction between looking over 222 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:28,600 your shoulder and really looking past you to want to connect with 223 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,920 someone else or talk to someone else and just carrying on a 224 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,960 conversation where you can't stare at somebody. 225 00:12:35,560 --> 00:12:38,280 And and I think there's a distinction between that, that 226 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,880 if we pay attention, we can see the difference. 227 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,760 But the reality is, is that the most important person in your 228 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,600 life is the person that's in front of you. 229 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,920 As a pastor, as a leader, as a servant. 230 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:57,120 It's not to get through someone, it's to give full attention to, 231 00:12:57,560 --> 00:13:01,360 to be fully present with the person. 232 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,440 I'll give you an example as a parent that I've made massive 233 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,960 failures out in the early days. As a parent, I would take my 234 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,600 kids to the park. I would push them on the swing. 235 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,240 I would climb on the monkey bars with them while I was on the 236 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:22,200 phone as a pastor, young pastor, or even when I was working in 237 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,480 the corporate world, when they introduced cell phones and there 238 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:29,320 was some crisis. And I really did believe that I 239 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,920 could do two things at once, that I could be present with my 240 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,080 kids and also take care of some crisis on the phone. 241 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,480 But I couldn't and neither can you. 242 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,280 You can't do two things at once. And I don't mean that you can't 243 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,840 literally do two things at once. What I mean is you can't do two 244 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:50,240 things well at once. And to be fully present with my 245 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,960 kids, yeah, it's true, I was pushing their back on the swings 246 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:55,920 and in one way I was fulfilling that. 247 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,640 But is that all they really wanted was a mechanical pushing 248 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,800 on the swing or did they want me to be there with them on the 249 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,040 swing that they. And you know, we're not talking 250 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,680 about my kids complaining or or even holding it against me later 251 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:11,720 in life. But as I've grown up and now I 252 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,080 get to disciple others, this is a key. 253 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,800 Whether it's your kids, whether it's people in your church, 254 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,240 whether it's someone you're serving, the person in front of 255 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,480 you is literally the most important person. 256 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,160 I think of Jesus. I have this painting in my 257 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,440 office where the woman comes and touches the hem of his garment. 258 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,640 He was throng. The Bible says with people he 259 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:34,800 was. There was a massively crowd. 260 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,560 Nobody knew anybody. It was a pressing, pressing, 261 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,360 pressing. But everything stopped who 262 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:44,200 touched me? And she received all the 263 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,960 attention in a crowd of hundreds, if not thousands, Who 264 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,160 knows how many people were there she received because she was the 265 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:53,960 most important person in the moment. 266 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,720 It doesn't mean that again, you you're listening to this go 267 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,440 well, wait a minute. The most important person is my 268 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,080 mom or is my wife? No, no, no, no. 269 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:02,680 We're talking different categories here. 270 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,800 This is not we're not comparing apples to oranges. 271 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,760 Of course there's value of people in your life in one 272 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,480 category, but when it comes to serving in ministry, I'm just 273 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,040 saying it's flat out. Pastor, stop it. 274 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,080 Stop looking over people's shoulders. 275 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,480 Stop minimizing someone's value in front of you and pay 276 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,240 attention to them. Get their name, get their story, 277 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,800 pray with them, minister to them, follow up with them. 278 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,000 But don't Don't look over their shoulders or over their head to 279 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,520 somebody you think is more important. 280 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,560 Pay attention to the one that's in front of you. 281 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,000 Why? Well, like you mentioned, 282 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,960 interruptions are often divine appointments. 283 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,920 That's right. And sometimes poor old gyrus 284 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:49,440 time was of the essence, and Jesus took time with the woman, 285 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:54,640 which jeopardized his situation. And there are times when people 286 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:59,400 will think wrongly about the fact that you know, or they'll 287 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:04,080 walk by and they'll want our attention and and then they'll 288 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,400 come to the wrong conclusion and you've got to be secure in 289 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,560 yourself that you know, they they will think what they think. 290 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,680 But I have a clear conscience before the Lord. 291 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,480 And so you walk with that rather than the fear of man or what? 292 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,800 You know what they'll think. I mean, I had people in Phoenix 293 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,160 that came to me and said, how come you're so upset? 294 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,960 What are you talking about? He says, well, you walked by me 295 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:28,600 when there's a scowl on your face. 296 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:29,640 You know what? You know what? 297 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,720 Are you mad at me? And I'm going, no, I actually, 298 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,840 at the time, I I just heard this news and I'm trying to figure 299 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,760 out how to process this news. And I just walked by you. 300 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,840 I I didn't even think about it. You know, as a leader, devote 301 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,880 your full attention to the person in front of you. 302 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,720 I want to be careful here to clarify. 303 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,560 We always want to be careful. Like, it's not. 304 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,320 We're not talking about every single action, every single eye 305 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:55,080 movement. Every. 306 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,760 We're not trying to freak the and to freak you out. 307 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,520 This is the heart. I, when I'm disciple in the guys 308 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,080 here, I want to serve with men here. 309 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:03,760 I'm trying to get to the heart of the matter. 310 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,680 The heart of the matter is, is if you care about the person in 311 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,400 front of you, all the other things are going to follow. 312 00:17:08,839 --> 00:17:13,440 You can't fake this because it's very obvious, very obviously 313 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,240 seen when you're faking, caring and compassion. 314 00:17:16,839 --> 00:17:18,800 It's very obvious what I'm talking about here. 315 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,119 It's just one little example. But what I'm talking about here, 316 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:26,359 it is obvious. Like it's even sometimes I go, 317 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,360 you know, excuse me and and let's make room for the fact 318 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:33,320 that maybe I, I, I'm on my way to see someone and you stop me 319 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:35,800 and I've got to get over there. That's different. 320 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,920 I mean, we're talking. Hey, Bob, how you doing? 321 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:42,080 Oh, it's great. And then, I mean, I've had, I 322 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,560 remember one. You just reminded me of one when 323 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,680 we were at a Marietta Calvary Chapel Bible College campus 324 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,000 conference and this pastor, everyone would know who he is. 325 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,040 I'm kind of nervous because I don't really know him. 326 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,760 And we're talking and we start a conversation. 327 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:02,000 And I mean, he just stopped talking and walked away and went 328 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,920 to another person, another prominent guy that you would 329 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,320 know. And I'm just like, OK, I guess 330 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:08,480 I. Had that. 331 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:10,240 Happen. It's like, you know it wasn't 332 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,960 even he didn't even close the didn't even like wind it down or 333 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,480 anything. He's like I I'm done with you 334 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,160 and and how do I know you're done with me? 335 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:20,960 Because I'm walking away without a word. 336 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:22,680 Yeah. Oh yeah. 337 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:24,480 Mid. Sentence that happened fairly. 338 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,320 Recently actually and. Yeah, I I don't. 339 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,240 And I And so when I think of that, I'm not. 340 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,160 It doesn't matter what other guys do. 341 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,080 They're not my servant. It matters what I do. 342 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,520 And I'm I want and I want to hit this more often than not. 343 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:42,120 I want the person in front of me to be the most important one 344 00:18:42,120 --> 00:18:43,160 right now. Yeah. 345 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:48,600 Now let's bring this around to the family because I've been 346 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,160 guilty of this. When my wife is trying to talk 347 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,560 to me, I'm in the middle of something and I'm trying to 348 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,360 figure it out and she wants my attention. 349 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,720 And if I lose this track then I have to go back almost to the 350 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,640 beginning and try try it again. And so I I get in trouble 351 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:12,600 because I'm not a multi Tasker. I'm I'm pretty much one thing by 352 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:19,960 one thing and I've I've had to learn to be careful how I 353 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:24,360 transition. If I get upset and close the 354 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:30,120 computer quickly all of a sudden she reads it as Oh yeah, I'm 355 00:19:30,120 --> 00:19:32,680 interrupting you. I'm sorry and it becomes an 356 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,920 issue. Yes, it's my fault. 357 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:40,760 We do have to communicate that you know how she if you, if you 358 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,720 if she wants my attention saying Bob, I need, I need to discuss 359 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,800 some things with you. So when you have a break, can 360 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,240 you come get, can we talk? OK that's that's fair. 361 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,040 But it doesn't always work out that way. 362 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:58,080 But for me, I have to devote my full attention to her because it 363 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:02,880 communicates more than words. Yes, it's non verbals and they 364 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,360 communicate more than your words. 365 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,440 Same with your kids like you were talking about. 366 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,320 They are more perceptive than you think. 367 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,400 They do. They're very perceptive and 368 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,240 observing. I I'm thinking of an example 369 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:18,400 with Marie and these are these are topics I want to explore 370 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,280 maybe in another season or later. 371 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,640 But I I have come to the conclusion there's no such thing 372 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,880 as multitasking and there's no such thing as balance. 373 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:28,480 And I have explanations for that. 374 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,320 And to help people's thinking, even though we use the phrase 375 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,360 and and that'll be different topics, I want to talk about 376 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:37,720 them. However, this I learned this the 377 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,960 hard way with Marie. It happened here in my office, 378 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,400 here in the building. I'm I'm doing exactly what you 379 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:44,880 do. I'm answering e-mail or writing 380 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,240 something. My my laptop's up like it is 381 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,000 right now. I'm focused on it. 382 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,720 My wife comes in on the other side of my desk with my laptop 383 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,120 open. I'm typing and listening to her 384 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,040 and all of a sudden I hear you haven't a word, a word I've 385 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,000 said. And I said no, I did hear, you 386 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,840 know, and you and I, I I I gave back the words. 387 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,520 I kind of like how I do with Spanish. 388 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,560 I don't know Spanish, but if I pick up on every other word, 389 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,560 because I do know some words, I could figure out what somebody's 390 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:17,480 saying for the most part. And I kind of was like that with 391 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,080 Marie. I picked up a couple words and 392 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,960 come to the conclusion and she walked over and did something 393 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,600 that nobody else would be willing to do. 394 00:21:24,120 --> 00:21:27,800 She just closed my computer and she said enough of this, this 395 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,600 was a this was a really a moment in our marriage where I needed 396 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,560 to. If I hadn't respond the way I 397 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,760 did, I think it would have been worse. 398 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,120 And she just, she closes and says I need you to pay attention 399 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:42,560 to me, You cannot pay attention to your computer. 400 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,360 And she just, she rebuked me in a way that was, you know, that I 401 00:21:46,360 --> 00:21:48,400 needed. And she was kind but she was 402 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:53,360 firm, which now I do it myself, whether it's her, if you, if my 403 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,440 my laptop's open right now because I'm using it for my 404 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,120 computer and we're having a conversation. 405 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,840 But if you were in my office and you came in, you walk in my 406 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,480 office, my computer is open and you're in my office, I don't 407 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,440 need you to close it. I'm going to close it so that 408 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,360 even if I didn't, even if I could train myself to look over, 409 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,960 I want to communicate to you that you're the most important. 410 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,160 You're in my office. So yeah, if what do you need? 411 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,240 I'll, I can pick this up later. And like you said, there are 412 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,520 different times, like if it was the office here and I couldn't 413 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,000 be interrupted, my door would be closed. 414 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,680 Although now we put big windows on our doors. 415 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,880 So now people can just stand at the window and look at me and 416 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,720 I'm like, OK, come on in. But this, this is very 417 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,160 important, what you just shared, whether it's our spouse, whether 418 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,360 it's each other like this, we communicate value by paying 419 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:45,440 attention to someone, by rearranging our life, by 420 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,560 sacrificing. And it really becomes a 421 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,880 sacrifice where you know what bomb for your wife, you're going 422 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,840 to lose your train of thought. So just deal with it. 423 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,120 And you're like, no, I don't want to deal with it exactly. 424 00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:00,960 That's my flesh and the spirit because there's a phrase I know 425 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,200 Marie's voice. Like I I know I've been with her 426 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,360 over a long time. I know her voice and I know this 427 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:10,360 phrase. I, in a particular tone means 428 00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:12,600 I'm not going to be able to sit down for very long wherever I'm 429 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,520 out in the house. And it's just this, hey Ed and 430 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,880 said a certain way, she wants some action from me. 431 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,120 She's going to want me to get up, go do something. 432 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,400 I I will need to give her my fault. 433 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,400 And it comes from all over corners of the house. 434 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,920 I didn't even know she was. I didn't even know our house was 435 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:34,080 that big. It echoes through the house, but 436 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,800 it's it's part of that. I mean maybe there's again more 437 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,840 episodes on marriage and ministry, but it's dwelling with 438 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,760 your wife with understanding. When I hear that voice, I need 439 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:51,320 to die to myself and give her my full attention, not my partial 440 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,360 attention, because it is agape love. 441 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:59,280 It is self sacrificial, right? It is the way of Jesus who 442 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,080 touched the hem of my garment. That's what's most important 443 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,440 right now. Who touched the hem of my 444 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,200 garment? Who needs my attention and what 445 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,600 one of the hindrances that I see in my own life, Bob, and I'm 446 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,640 sure you guys listening in see it too is, is I measure that 447 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:19,120 interruption by my needs and wants and I don't value that 448 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:21,960 it's important to you. I I, I relegate you. 449 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,440 Whatever you need is less important than what I'm doing 450 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,600 right now, which then is a value statement on you and you're not 451 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,200 important to me. And it's just like it's just 452 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,640 unnecessary. It's practical things. 453 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,640 It's part of discipleship. I think those are practical 454 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:43,000 points of discipleship. Even with our kids, that in our 455 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,840 discipling of our kids, we say, listen, you know, this is this 456 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,160 is how we work out issues here. We don't ignore it. 457 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,560 We don't throw it under the carpet. 458 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,760 We don't just yell at you and be quiet, you know, we work it out. 459 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,920 We we do the confrontation, do the repentance. 460 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,640 And this full attention issue is also a discipleship issue. 461 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,800 And because as a society we are such a cancel culture, if I 462 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,800 don't like you, if if you offend me, you're out of my life. 463 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,120 And you know we're just a throwaway kind of a society and 464 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:21,960 it it's so permeates, it's called like a barking dog in the 465 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,840 back. We you know where you go and I 466 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,440 don't need this I'm out of here and and that's not walking in 467 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,600 love. You're called to walk in agape 468 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,520 love, not just by what you say, but your actions, the non 469 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,600 verbals. Yeah, pay attention to the one 470 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,320 in front of you. Make them the most important. 471 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,240 You want to be more effective in ministry. 472 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,200 The people that are in front of you, you, you. 473 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,280 You're not. Do don't do it superficially. 474 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,520 The the it's the truth. The truth is the person in front 475 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:53,960 of you and you know one of the things that that we try and and 476 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,640 we want to have a culture here among our leaders is we don't 477 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,640 make fun of people. We don't make fun of behaviors. 478 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,960 We don't you know we we don't we we don't call names and if we do 479 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,840 we repent like that is not from the Lord. 480 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,120 The the challenging situations, that's what they are. 481 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:18,040 They're challenging. God has invited us into their 482 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,840 lives. God has given us the privilege 483 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,400 of serving them. And you know, think back how you 484 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:27,520 walked in. You know, I I remember I am 485 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,040 unique and weird to people and I don't need to be called that. 486 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,480 I just am. I'm just unique. 487 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,040 I'm not like anyone else. You're not like anyone else. 488 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,120 And so for those challenging people, this is another thing. 489 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,080 And and again, like just thinking about all these like 490 00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:45,840 it, it's so another pet peeve of mine is when pastors will get up 491 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,480 and go. I love the ministry, but I hate 492 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,640 the people. Like, get out of the ministry, 493 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,720 bro. Because Ministry is people. 494 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,080 And if you're really saying, if you're really saying that, I 495 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,920 don't like the challenges people get. 496 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,240 If you're really saying I don't like the difficulties, if you're 497 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,640 really, then say that. Don't say you hate people or 498 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,200 don't like people or I love the ministry. 499 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,440 I love the easy parts of ministry, but I don't like 500 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,120 paying attention to the one in front of me. 501 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,240 I don't like the person that comes up all the time. 502 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,080 I don't like the person with the that sends me all those emails. 503 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,960 Stop it. Because like you, God is like 504 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,320 you Don't harden your heart toward them. 505 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,600 Ministry is people. Situations we don't have to 506 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,240 like, difficulties we don't have to like, but people like. 507 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,080 At the very least, let's talk about them in a way that will 508 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:38,120 facilitate us liking them, not distancing us farther from them. 509 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,480 You know, feeding my lambs, feeding my sheep, that's easy. 510 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:42,960 We can just throw out information. 511 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,200 But tending is the messy work. Tending is the hard work. 512 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,920 Tending is the work that doesn't ever stop. 513 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,920 That's right. So pay attention to the person 514 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,480 in front of you as we come to another close of an episode. 515 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:56,920 I hope that this is helpful for you. 516 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,600 It is for us. Whether it hits the home right 517 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,440 now or it's for the future, pay attention to the one in front of 518 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,880 you. Don't look over their shoulders. 519 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,600 Don't look to someone more important. 520 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,680 They are. God placed them there. 521 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,720 Walk in agape love. This is the Lead to Serve 522 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,320 podcast. My name is Ed Taylor. 523 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,000 We pastor here at Calvary Church in Aurora. 524 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,080 The website for Calvary Church is Calvary Co dot Church. 525 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,240 I don't think I mentioned it the whole season. 526 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,640 Calvary Co dot church. My personal website 527 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,360 edtaylor.org. Bob, do you have a website? 528 00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:34,080 You do, don't you? Yeah, bob@bobclaycamp.com. 529 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,280 Right, so his personal e-mail bob@bobclaycamp.com. 530 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,000 Also he was able to securehis.com. 531 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,400 So Bob Clay camp dot. Com. 532 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,840 So all my messages since the late 90s and the sermon notes 533 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,800 are on that. Site Fantastic. 534 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,560 So if you want to connect with Bob and his ministry of 535 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,320 teaching, you want to connect with him personally. 536 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,440 Please do our website at the church here Calvary Co dot 537 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,600 church Remember, send us info, e-mail us, give us feedback, 538 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,680 give us ideas for future episodes. 539 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:14,080 You can text me directly 720-608-0012 or you can e-mail 540 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,760 me ed@edtaylor.org. 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