1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,280 Here's Ed Taylor with today's episode of Lead to Serve, a 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:13,600 leadership podcast. Welcome to another edition of 3 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,520 the Lead to Serve podcast with Pastor Ed Taylor. 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,680 I'm the pastor here at Calvary Church in Aurora, Co. 5 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:25,200 Our website is Calvary Co dot church. 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:30,960 I'm your host as we are well into season #7 of the Lead to 7 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,480 Serve podcast. And again, thank you for all of 8 00:00:34,480 --> 00:00:40,160 your feedback, input, notes of appreciation, suggestions. 9 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:45,560 We are so grateful to connect with you, to be a small part of 10 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,520 the huge work of God in your life. 11 00:00:49,160 --> 00:00:57,280 You can connect with us by text at 720 608-0012 or you can 12 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,080 e-mail me directlyadd@edtaylor.org. 13 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,760 You know, my goal is to help you grow in your servant leadership 14 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,480 so that you will glorify God in everything you do. 15 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:13,720 We want to help you along with the nuances of serving with some 16 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,080 wisdom. And this season has been heavy 17 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,440 on some real practical wisdom and and the feedback on it's 18 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,520 been so good so far. So thank you very much. 19 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:26,920 And I'm joined in studio once again with Pastor Bob Klaykamp. 20 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,800 Welcome, Bob. Yeah, it's good. 21 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:30,040 Great. Let's do this. 22 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,720 A leader of Mission Assist Ministries serving churches 23 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:34,960 around the world. You can reach 24 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:37,960 bob@bobklaykamp.com. Topic today. 25 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:39,320 We're going to jump right into it. 26 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:44,240 When the Lord has you waiting, When the Lord has you waiting. 27 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:50,480 Waiting is not easy. Recently I just taught a Bible 28 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,000 study on the topic When God says no. 29 00:01:54,920 --> 00:02:00,720 And one of the ways that God says no is no, not now and not 30 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:05,040 now means you're waiting. And I would say this no now 31 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:09,360 doesn't mean not not forever, but it does mean no now, which 32 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,520 is in a position of waiting on the Lord. 33 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:18,880 Let me say at the outset, because it could be easy to take 34 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,400 this topic and go negative and difficulty right away, 'cause it 35 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:27,800 is a difficult topic, but it's it's not waiting is not just 36 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,080 bad. Waiting is good. 37 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,840 It's a it's a good thing to do. And there are promises attached 38 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,800 to waiting. One of the most famous promises 39 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:44,600 is found in Isaiah, Isaiah chapter 40, verse 31. 40 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,600 So right away, I don't want to start, although we will be 41 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,200 talking with some of the difficult aspects of waiting for 42 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,400 sure. But it's not only difficult. 43 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,240 It's not only difficult because the Bible says in Isaiah 4031, 44 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,720 those who wait on the Lord notice the benefits. 45 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:07,920 Number one shall renew their strength #2 shall mount up with 46 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:12,000 wings like eagles, which speaks to me of freedom of expression. 47 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:18,000 Just just flying in the wind. They shall run and not be weary 48 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,480 because the exact opposite kind of feels that way when you're 49 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,480 waiting. I don't want to do anything, but 50 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,600 God's going to give you the strength and then they shall 51 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:29,400 walk and not faint. So let's be, let's be clear here 52 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:36,880 that waiting is not negative, even though it can be painful. 53 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,000 And when you're in a place of waiting, it's very important 54 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,440 that you remain in that place without messing things up. 55 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,640 Yeah, that's tricky. Abraham and Sarah is one of the 56 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,760 examples that I think of when they were given a promise, but 57 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,320 not a time frame. And it was the promise was 58 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,320 great, but it was impossible. You're going to have a child in 59 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,120 your old age. You can't bear children, neither 60 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:03,200 one of you. You're so old. 61 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,440 Can't have kids. OK, physically impossible. 62 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,480 All of it is impossible, which was God's will. 63 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,160 But they weren't given the timing. 64 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,000 And because they weren't given the timing, they became 65 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,880 impatient and create a little. Ishmael. 66 00:04:18,519 --> 00:04:21,560 Yeah. And Abraham, Really. 67 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,360 I mean, Sarah came up with the idea, but Abraham didn't pray 68 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,800 about it. He was the leader, Yeah. 69 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,040 He. Sounds good to me. 70 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,400 That's what we do around here. And so when you think of 71 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,000 waiting, I gave a little introduction. 72 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,880 But when you think of waiting, what are your thoughts? 73 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:45,880 Timing the Lord's timing and again, going back to an earlier 74 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,000 podcast about fear of missed opportunities. 75 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:55,440 Yes, yes, sometimes we are so sure that this is the right time 76 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:02,200 and then something happens and immediately we go, Wallace, the 77 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,440 devil stopping it. Oh, wait a second. 78 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:10,840 Maybe, just maybe the Lord's given you a detour because it's 79 00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:14,960 not, I mean, you know, I just developed a whole study on 80 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:20,680 detours are not roadblocks. And so many times in Scripture 81 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,200 there are detours or diversions as they say in the UK. 82 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,080 But, but there's, there's a purpose for the diversion. 83 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:29,600 There's a purpose for the detour. 84 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,000 It's not to stop your way like a roadblock. 85 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:38,240 It's to help you get to your destination safely because maybe 86 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,920 the bridge is out and you can't see it, but they don't give you 87 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,920 the explanation when they show the sign. 88 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,800 That's good. And so waiting on the Lord is 89 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,960 like, Lord, there's a real desire in my heart to see this 90 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:56,120 accomplished or see this happen, but I'm going to let you put it 91 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,640 together your way if it's of you. 92 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,280 And that's like, not my will, but thine be done. 93 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,920 And yet there's a part of us that sometimes we sneak into 94 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:11,720 wanting to have our ministry validated and so then the Lord's 95 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,120 not allowing it and so immediately become like one man. 96 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,280 Maybe I'm not even just called because nothing's happening. 97 00:06:18,280 --> 00:06:22,800 I mean, going over to the UK for the first time, talking with 98 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,600 missionaries, one guy comes to me and says, tell me what I'm 99 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,880 doing wrong. I've been here 15 years and I'm 100 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,760 back to doing everything myself. People that I've tried to invest 101 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,880 in have moved away. You know, what am I doing wrong? 102 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,680 Shouldn't it look different after 15 years? 103 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:46,520 And so my part was just, well, let's let's let's go back to the 104 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,480 beginning. Did you really feel God was 105 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:55,080 calling you here to serve in this down in Scotland? 106 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:00,680 And he goes, well, I know that. OK, so how long did it take 107 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,240 before anybody showed up? And he goes, well, it was, it 108 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:08,920 was a while, but what was it like when all of a sudden they 109 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,280 showed up because they heard about your church or your Bible 110 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,640 study or you have a sought on the website or whatever else. 111 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,840 Sometimes we can create websites, make us look like we 112 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,320 got something going. Not good. 113 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,400 And and and so it's just perspective. 114 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:30,680 Just saying, listen, as a, as a pastor, you're like a foster 115 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,960 parent. These people aren't your people, 116 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,280 they're his people and he wants you to take care of them for a 117 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,840 season. Sometimes the season is short, 118 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:44,120 sometimes it's long, but you're just to be faithful for what God 119 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:49,400 has called you to do. And if they leave, then you can 120 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:54,800 just say, OK, my responsibility is, is completed here with them 121 00:07:54,800 --> 00:08:00,240 under my cover. And there's and sometimes when 122 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,280 you're in a a work for a long period of time, you will have 123 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:12,120 seasons where you you doubt your calling because in your mind you 124 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,520 expected things to look different after so long a time. 125 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,520 You're really looking. You said something that sparked 126 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,920 a thought. When you have someone coming and 127 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,440 they've been waiting for whatever their expectation of 128 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,320 the Lord was, and that statement, you know, when is it 129 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,440 going to happen? And in order to say that, you 130 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,440 got to look over the 50 precious people that are sitting in front 131 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:36,960 of you. And you say, well, what do you 132 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,039 mean? What is going to happen exactly? 133 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,679 God's entrusted to you 50 people. 134 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,240 What, what, what are we talking about here? 135 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:48,720 And you may not be in a position of spiritually waiting. 136 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:53,520 You may be in a position of fleshly being discontented and 137 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,800 there is a fine balance when we think of ministry and people, 138 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,200 but it's that measurement of that. 139 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:03,680 There is certainly like a fruit. We can see fruit. 140 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,560 Obviously if one piece of fruit is there and no piece of fruit, 141 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:09,480 then it's so that's a fruitful tree compared to the one has 142 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,640 nothing. So it's not like numbers don't 143 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,840 matter. They do say something, but they 144 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,120 don't always say what we conclude and when is it going to 145 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,080 happen at what it is happening on. 146 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,760 And if we tie together our discussions in this season, it. 147 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,840 It's interesting how I'm waiting for people. 148 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,960 I'm waiting for the right people so they can serve in the church. 149 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,920 And we will wait a minute. We just taught you, or we talked 150 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:37,280 about it at least, how to use the people that you have right 151 00:09:37,560 --> 00:09:40,880 and at least try, at least step in, not even try, but step into 152 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,920 their lives and pastor them and shepherd them that this need of 153 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,720 servants may not even be what you think it is. 154 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,160 It was God's way. He was just waiting for you to 155 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,400 start pastoring them. Yeah, he could. 156 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,360 He can move on hearts and he doesn't need us. 157 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,320 He could move on hearts. People could show up and say, 158 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,200 I've been waiting forever for all these servants. 159 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,040 Who are all the servants? Well, they've been there a long 160 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:04,320 way. God's just been waiting for you 161 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:05,080 to pastor. Them. 162 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:09,640 Yeah, that's right. I mean the first in a time of 163 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,720 waiting. The first work it seems the Lord 164 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,120 wants to do is inside you. Always. 165 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,200 And it, it brings up all kinds of things. 166 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:24,480 It's a, it's a purging. It's a clarification, it's a 167 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:29,480 humbling. It is the perspective of who am 168 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,800 I serving here? Am I serving myself or am I 169 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,360 serving the Lord and, and and think about it and I've used 170 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,480 this illustration with them. I'm going, listen, if the Lord 171 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:47,560 Jesus came to you in a dream and said to you, I have 6 sheep over 172 00:10:47,560 --> 00:10:53,600 here that I love dearly and they need to be fed and cared for, 173 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,160 would you do that for me? Would you go over there and do 174 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,280 that for me? I'd really, really appreciate it 175 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,200 because I love them. And. 176 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,760 And I think you're ready to do that. 177 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,240 And then you'd go, yeah, I'll do, I'll do whatever you want. 178 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:10,960 You know, look what you've done for me. 179 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,760 I'll do whatever you want. So you get over there and here's 180 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,640 the six sheep, boy, I didn't tell you that They're ornery and 181 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,200 they kick and they bite. And it's like, what kind of 182 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,240 sheep are these? And how come he gets like, you 183 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,000 know, flock and he's got sheep dogs to help out and I've got 184 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:26,760 nothing. I've got these. 185 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:28,720 Yeah. I mean, all of a sudden you've 186 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,960 got these names and, and your attitude and. 187 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:37,000 OK, well, there's another reason he had you go over there, and 188 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,800 that's to purge your heart and to get that junk out of you so 189 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:47,200 that you can be the right kind of ambassador of him. 190 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:52,200 Not just a shepherd, but an ambassador goes with the 191 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,040 authority and the like mindedness, like we talked about 192 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,040 earlier, of the country that he's representing. 193 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,560 And if he goes off on his own and goes off on somebody else, 194 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:08,800 that's not the heart of the leader, the king or the 195 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,160 president, then he'll get fired. We keep seeing this theme come 196 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,280 up with that expectations like whether they're spoken or not, 197 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,000 they're there. And we start out that 198 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,920 illustration you use that we start out with, I'll do whatever 199 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:22,480 you want. I'll do whatever you want. 200 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,320 That's like, if you don't give me 6, I'll find someone to 201 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:26,520 serve. I will. 202 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,400 You don't need to tell me to take out the trash. 203 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:29,920 I'm I've just taken upon my heart. 204 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,560 Am I even going to tell anybody? But you will never see a full 205 00:12:32,560 --> 00:12:34,840 trash bag here because I just want to do that for you. 206 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,920 Start out that way. But then when somebody tells you 207 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,600 to take out the trash, Oh, no, no, no, no, no, Nobody tells me 208 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,480 what to do around here. Like I've got this. 209 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,560 It's my schedule. This is and it changes from I'll 210 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:50,840 do anything, go anywhere. I will pay any price to serve 211 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,600 you Lord to we use the same language, but then we add to it 212 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,640 and we go, well, I'll do all that if and then you can 213 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:04,640 whatever the if is that shows up along the way along that that 214 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,120 illustration. An if would be, you know, I'd 215 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,960 love to serve 6 sheep if they're nice, kind, clean, whatever. 216 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,880 Well, yeah. And, and what comes to mind also 217 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:22,400 is seasons of waiting when you're single because I've had a 218 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,800 lot of both men and women come to me and saying I don't 219 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,200 understand. I really, really, really, really 220 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,880 want to get married, but it's just not working out. 221 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:38,040 And how long? What am I doing wrong that I 222 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:42,920 can't find the right soulmate and all, the, all the rest of 223 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,120 it? And, and my, my counsel, my 224 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,960 first go to council is, first of all, God is your first soul 225 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,720 mate. He's the one that can fill your 226 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:58,000 heart and fill that emptiness in you that no other person can 227 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,200 fill. Because if you're looking for 228 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,760 them to fill it, they're not going to be able to fill it. 229 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,400 And you're going to be disappointed and you're going 230 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,560 to, plus you're also going to be in a marriage that's not going 231 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:12,000 to be fun. You know, in the meantime, God 232 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,200 wants to work in you to prepare you. 233 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,040 And maybe, just maybe there's somebody else, your future 234 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,840 spouse that's praying for God to work on the heart of their 235 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,360 future spouse. And you're just happened to be 236 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,400 it. And the work's not done yet. 237 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:32,360 And so you've got to take who you are in the period of waiting 238 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:38,480 and say, I am going to be as close to Jesus as I can be and 239 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:43,280 just love Him, be content in Him and let him work out the desires 240 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,360 of my heart. Yes, seasons are is a great way 241 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,280 of looking at waiting because there are different seasons, 242 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:54,080 seasons of activity, seasons. Moving to Colorado really helped 243 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,600 me growing up and out in California you have two seasons, 244 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:02,480 sunny and beautiful and rainy. I mean, that's pretty much that 245 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,320 was the seasons and always smog. But when the calls were out, you 246 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,080 didn't see the smog. So that was it when I moved to 247 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,480 Colorado. 4 very distinct seasons. 248 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,480 They're very clear and they come and go. 249 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,480 You know, when 1 is changing, you actually celebrate most of 250 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,240 the seasons, except when it turns winter. 251 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,000 But you celebrate when it changes back. 252 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,560 And we're noticing it now. The weather's changing, you can 253 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,320 feel it. The days are beautiful. 254 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,800 It's warmer and there are seasons and there's a distinct 255 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:37,160 beginning and a distinct end. And I, I believe if we embrace 256 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:42,320 life like seasons or ministry life like seasons or single life 257 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:48,120 like seasons, then we will be more malleable in and more 258 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,360 shaped, being able to be shaped by the Lord as we just trust him 259 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,120 to embrace the season. And you know, with winter, I, I, 260 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,480 I don't like it. I don't like the snow, but I 261 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,560 have really been making an effort personally to stop bad 262 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,480 mouthing the season weather. I'm winter. 263 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,680 I've really in my mind, I'm getting better at it. 264 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,040 I'm not 100%, but I'm getting there where I'm learning to 265 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:16,160 appreciate everything that happens in winter I and that it 266 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,360 means I have to adjust my life. It means I have to shovel. 267 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:23,600 It means that I see real I it's a different season, but God 268 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,560 spoke to me a couple years ago where and and you know, it's AI 269 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:28,720 don't know if I'm going to get there. 270 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,760 In his life. I hope I do, but like I I so do 271 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,720 not like cold, snow and ice even here. 272 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,840 See, I'm talking to you about I was like, but I'm making better 273 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,440 progress and and yet I'm also appreciating the snowpack, the 274 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,320 the, the water, the I guess there's some purpose in God's 275 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,640 will for winter and and even if I don't agree. 276 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,560 Let's go deeper. Yeah, well, OK. 277 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,120 OK. And bears go to sleep, I guess. 278 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,080 And the leaves fall off and. Snakes run away. 279 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,160 Yeah, but. But I think in life, on more 280 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,760 serious matters, we certainly go through seasons and, you know, 281 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,680 you want to embrace it. It's hard, yes, but it's also 282 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,280 God's working. God's working in that season. 283 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:20,160 He's strengthening you, helping you. 284 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,480 And ultimately, everything that's happening is intended to 285 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,599 draw us to Him. Yeah, he created seasons. 286 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:31,840 Yes, Purpose. Yes, he did and he uses them 287 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,760 greatly in our lives and faithfulness to the Lord and to 288 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:40,080 his calling is something that doesn't change. 289 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,320 It's faithful in every season. It's what we revert back to. 290 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,680 We remember Our Calling, we remember God's word and we 291 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,360 remember if we take Abram and Sarah as we wind up this 292 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:57,120 episode, we go back there. They did not lean on the 293 00:17:57,120 --> 00:18:00,480 promise. The promise wasn't just that 294 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:05,800 they they would receive Isaac, the promises that God would give 295 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,520 them Isaac. So over time, you even begin to 296 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,120 remember the promises of God differently than how they were 297 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:16,520 given to you. Sure, we're reading the Bible 298 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,200 and praying every day anchors us into the truth so that we're 299 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,240 receiving the word the way it is. 300 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,200 Because when you're waiting, you start again. 301 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,200 You, you, you begin. I begin to rewrite the narrative 302 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,960 in my mind trying to get out of this season. 303 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,280 I want to get out. I don't like it. 304 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,120 I mean, we're talking. I've got stuff going on in my 305 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:39,080 life that I'd love to get out of 13 years now. 306 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,160 I would love to get out of it. I have to trust the Lord. 307 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:44,800 I got to keep giving it back to him like. 308 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,360 Yeah. Whether I love I don't think he 309 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,640 looks down on me for wanting to get out of it, but the reality 310 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,800 is I'll suffer great consequences if I try. 311 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:55,360 Sure. Oh, yeah, yeah. 312 00:18:55,360 --> 00:18:59,440 And it and it it's in, in that season, there are levels. 313 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:01,800 That's good. When the Lord gives you that 314 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,960 promise, he knows there's going to be levels of submission and 315 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:11,840 surrender to that promise. And as life goes on, it refines 316 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:16,200 you. It yeah, just refines you. 317 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,440 That's that's the word that comes to me is that David was so 318 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:26,040 much different after 1012 years when he went through all of that 319 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:31,640 being chased by Saul and all of his special forces, you know, to 320 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,240 try to get him David. It drove ambition out of his 321 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,360 heart, which needed to happen, but it had to happen through a 322 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:44,240 season of waiting, even though he had the right, but he didn't 323 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,040 have the right. And so he had to submit to the 324 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:52,560 Lord in the waiting and God was doing the right work. 325 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:57,600 And then, I mean, he almost blew it with trying to go after 326 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,000 Nabel. I mean, he and then Abigail, God 327 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,640 used Abigail to, you know, help him. 328 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,320 Speak truth. Chill out and slow down. 329 00:20:08,120 --> 00:20:11,640 But yeah, anyway. No, it's good anyway. 330 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,840 Keep going. Anyway, keep it, keep it going. 331 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,880 Bob, we love to hear your wisdom, but seasons of waiting. 332 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:23,600 Yeah, just in the waiting. He made some bad choices to go 333 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,640 to the Philistines and he was just that close. 334 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:36,200 It was just a a short time before Saul would die, but he 335 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:40,600 got tired of being chased and he got his eyes on the 336 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:45,400 inconvenience and the hassle and got him, got his eyes off of how 337 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,320 God delivered him each time. And not just them, but the 600 338 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,440 men are with him because now he's responsible. 339 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,320 How do you hide with 600 guys? I mean, what kind of cave are 340 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,280 you going to be in, you know? What is it? 341 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,400 Not that big, Peter. Yeah. 342 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,280 I'm coming up to you after service. 343 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:06,120 You just taught a Bible study, and I'm in a season of waiting, 344 00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:09,800 and I give you my story. Bob, what are the two top pieces 345 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:16,280 of counsel you give me? Number one, God is working #2 it 346 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,440 starts on the inside. And I would add, so I would give 347 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:25,560 my two, I would say, so you don't like it and let them talk 348 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:30,240 and see what it is that stirred them to come talk about the 349 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,360 season of waiting and, and I would see if I can respond And, 350 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,600 and then I my second piece of advice would be you need to 351 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,320 continue waiting until God fulfills his promise. 352 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,760 Very, very important. Don't take things into your own 353 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,600 hands. When I was teaching through 354 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:51,640 First Samuel, that phrase kept coming up over and over again. 355 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,440 Don't take things into your own hands, primarily because I 356 00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:02,560 understand I on in different ways how much damage you can do 357 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,400 when you take things into your own hands, which I've done. 358 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,120 I mean, it's first hand experience. 359 00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:13,280 It's not theory or theological commentary. 360 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,960 It's my, it's, it's seasons of my life where I've taken things, 361 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:20,520 I mean my whole life, apart from Christ, of course, was you want 362 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,680 to run, you want to live your own life, go ahead. 363 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:24,640 It's all in your hands there, buddy. 364 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,200 Tell me how it goes. Fight me, rebel against me and 365 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,120 drink yourself into oblivion. I mean, it's not my will for 366 00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:32,760 you. Kind of like the prodigal 367 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:37,160 father, prodigal son, where he's the father of the prodigal son. 368 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,680 If that's what you want, son, but it's not what's best for 369 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,000 you. And I always be here. 370 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,400 I got to go back. I got to go back to the farm. 371 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,280 I'll be I'll always be here. You know the address, but it's 372 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,080 not what my best. And these seasons of waiting, 373 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,600 they're hard, but stay steady, stay faithful, continuing the 374 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:01,280 word and prayer and know that while you're in a season of 375 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,520 waiting in one area doesn't mean you're in a seat, doesn't mean 376 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,160 you're completely stopped. There are other things to do for 377 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,160 the Kingdom. You don't have to be stuck. 378 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,840 And I'm not getting this over here, so I can't do anything 379 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,560 else. There's a lot you can do while 380 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,040 you're waiting. Yeah. 381 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,880 For the Kingdom. You can pay attention to other 382 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,320 areas. And I would also add, if I'm 383 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:28,120 thinking of advice and counsel, like you said, pay attention to 384 00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:32,200 what God is revealing and deal with it like you. 385 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,720 I didn't. You didn't know you were so 386 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,600 impatient, did you? And so now you're OK. 387 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,880 This is an area of my life where I'm not depending on the 388 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,680 resources of Christ. I'm not abiding because if I was 389 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,440 abiding He would give me long-suffering. 390 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,840 I'd enjoy it. Well, any final thoughts? 391 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,560 Waiting is health food. What do you mean by that? 392 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,920 Well, it it is. It cures you. 393 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,880 It seasons you. It's good. 394 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:06,080 It repairs you impetuousness. The devil uses that so much. 395 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,680 Yeah. And sometimes, especially in a 396 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:14,400 long season of waiting, we we lose perspective and we have to 397 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:19,640 understand that service is secondary, relationship with him 398 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,000 is first. Period. 399 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,880 I mean, it's it. And so sometimes we get the cart 400 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,720 before the horse and we interpret relationship with what 401 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:34,440 we do instead of who we are. And that may require a long 402 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,880 season of just. Getting that right reorienting. 403 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:43,040 And it's amazing how many times I hear when people say I finally 404 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,320 just let it go and it was just me and Jesus. 405 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,040 Then all of a sudden, things change. 406 00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:52,160 Yes, I've, I've heard that. I've seen that in my own life. 407 00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:55,560 It's a wrestling with God that I'm not going to win. 408 00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:58,880 It's a wrestling with God that isn't going to end well. 409 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,480 Until I surrender, I'm not going to win. 410 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,360 And the seasons of waiting, I have to say now, looking back 411 00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:07,920 with a little bit of hindsight, have been very beneficial for 412 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,200 me. Not easy, but it made me a 413 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,360 better man. As I trust God, as I learn to 414 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:16,360 see things from his perspective. And whether that be church, 415 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:19,000 whether it be my marriage, whether it be my friendships, 416 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,480 whether it be my family, God knows what he's doing with my 417 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,920 life. He does not need me at any time 418 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,640 to take the reins again. Yeah. 419 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,720 And neither do I need to do that. 420 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,240 Drive the cart off the Cliff, yeah. 421 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,400 I don't need that. I need to continue following 422 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,960 him, abiding in him, enjoying him. 423 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,400 All right, well, that comes to another end now to an episode of 424 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,080 lead to serve. Appreciate you guys sticking 425 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,480 with us. Great conversation. 426 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,920 Maybe you have some feedback on waiting victories, defeats, or 427 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,880 you need prayer. You can always text us 428 00:25:50,880 --> 00:26:01,840 720-608-0012, 720-608-0012 or e-mail me, Ed at Ed Taylor. 429 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:08,560 Taylor dot org, it has to be.org becausethe.com Santa Claus owns 430 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,800 and he doesn't forward my e-mail anymore. 431 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,760 Literally, I'm no joke. He used to forward it. 432 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,440 Now he doesn't anymore. I did check, by the way. 433 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,120 I mean, it's not. I did check. 434 00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:20,200 I have a little program. You can check the website 435 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,280 traffic. We get way more traffic than 436 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,840 Santa Claus does on his website. I did check it and we did try to 437 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,000 get that domain, but at any rate, just a little light 438 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,040 heartedness at the end. At taylor.org is my website, 439 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,320 Pastor Bob in his ministry called Missions assist. 440 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,360 He can be reached Bob klaycamp.com 441 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:47,520 bobklaycampexactlyhowitsounds.com. And if you have any questions or 442 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,080 you have a heart for UK and and beyond. 443 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,400 But right now it seems like UK is one of those places that Bob 444 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,400 and Jeannie are going to be focusing on in this brand new 445 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,600 ministry adventure and that's what it is. 446 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:03,360 So until next time, make sure you're, you know, doing the 447 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:06,520 reviews on the podcast, putting this on your social media, share 448 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,880 it and give us your feedback so that we can continue to serve 449 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,000 you well and be encouraged. 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