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This is Lisa serve with Ed 
Taylor a leadership podcast. 

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Hey, welcome again, to the lead 
to serve podcast with Pastor Ed 

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Taylor. 
I am Pastor Ed Taylor and I'm 

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your host for the lead to serve 
podcast. 

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I'm a pastor here at Calvary 
Church in Aurora, Colorado, a 

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Calvary Chapel, we came out in 
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Nine just Murray and I and our 
three kiddos our youngest was in

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diapers when we moved out here 
and we really believe that God 

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wanted to use us to after after 
a real difficult season going 

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to, we were going to go to 
another city and God slam that 

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door and very in a very strong 
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Humbled me and broke me as a 
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I was going to head out to do 
great things for God and God 

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said, I don't need you to do 
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Me, but I want to use you to do 
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And by the time we moved here to
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mindset of. 
We want to be a part of what God

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is doing. 
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great thing God wants to do, 
rather than I'm going to do 

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great things and it's a subtle 
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and I came a very different man 
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the church here, God has really 
discipled me and mentor. 

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Heard me and trained me and 
surrounding me with wonderful 

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men. 
Like Pastor Bob Clay Camp. 

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Pastor, Bob is part of season 4 
where we're sitting across the 

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table talking about different 
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Welcome again, Pastor Bob it's 
good to be here. 

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Absolutely. 
Yeah it's good. 

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It's good to hear your 
perspective and to hear what the

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Holy Spirit brings about on the 
topics. 

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And I want you to let you know 
the response to our podcast has 

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been very overwhelming and we're
very grateful to connect with 

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you. 
It is It's on scripted. 

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If you if you're listening to 
the podcast to go you know those

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guys don't really script very 
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we I know that I even tried to 
script this one, to some degree,

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I mean we did pick some topics, 
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it, we're changing it up a 
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to be scripted. 
I want you to be like, you're in

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a staff meeting is how we handle
staff meetings here this, how we

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handle team meetings at Bob, and
I were in our office and we had 

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a topic to talk about this is 
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I mean, without the 
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Auctions. 
It was like, okay, Bob and I are

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talking a mile. 
We don't have all the 

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introductions of course but 
we're just talking things out. 

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Thinking things through open to 
the Holy Spirit and and 

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hopefully it becomes a model for
you in the team that you serve 

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with where you can just talk 
things out. 

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And and again, the only right 
answers are biblical. 

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So you may have a different 
opinion on things. 

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You may see things from a 
different perspective but that's

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where iron sharpens iron and and
if we have two differing 

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opinions, Let's make sure that 
we don't divide over if it's not

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essential, not a central 
Doctrine but also maybe we can 

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learn from each other. 
Maybe there's a portion of your 

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view, that's very valid. 
But there's also a portion of my

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view that's very valid. 
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humility if we're both if one of
us is really wrong then we 

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should admit it. 
We should repent and admit it 

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and say, okay? 
You're right. 

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Your point of view is actually 
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accurate than mine and that's 
why I like podcasts because it 

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takes It's a Biblical podcast 
more than anything pastors and 

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teachers. 
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powerful. 
That is but what it might have 

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been like Jesus talking with the
boys around the fire instructing

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them and this thing then argue 
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over there and in the doubt 
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I'm not sure, I'm not sure. 
You know, just this just talking

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about it and growing together 
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ministry and servanthood and 
that is the theme of my podcast.

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I want to talk about servanthood
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lead to serve serve because if 
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servant, you're going to lead. 
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serve and you haven't learned 
how to be faithful with a little

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things. 
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to on some of these things that 
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learn from especially after 
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post pandemic season. 
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if you're listening to this in 
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222, the podcast is hitting 
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processing, the newness of the 
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And I'm super excited. 
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about the future because it does
not too many times. 

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You know, in your life that God 
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not. 
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sin or something where we always
talk about second chances, like,

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well, he failed, but God will 
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Yes, that's True. 
But what about when there was no

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failure involved at all and 
God's just rearranging things 

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through the culture and you're 
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to a whole new because I've been
doing this twenty two years. 

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You've been doing this 40 years,
something like that. 

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Almost since I got saved so 
many, many years. 

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Yeah. 
And the reality of what's up 

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ahead, it's it's a new 
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Opportunities, and we're not 
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new generation using all of the 
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people who just rub up against 
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I don't believe that. 
Well, then go ahead and start 

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giving out cassette tapes. 
Again, that's a methodology you 

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changed, you know. 
Go ahead. 

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Go find somebody that sells them
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Magnetic Tape anymore. 
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bought up. 
All the remaining magnetic tape 

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of this one. 
There was only one company left 

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for Seeing that tape and they 
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So that somehow in the future 
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worth stuff. 
You know if they bring back 

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music or something and want that
tinny you know on all of the 

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vinyl yeah bring it back. 
Exactly. 

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Yeah. 
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God's growing us and that's been
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He's bringing us to change, 
really good communication. 

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But then by now in episode 4, 
we're thinking maybe you're 

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sitting there. 
If you're still with us I hope 

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come back. 
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But if you're still with us, you
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can't do this. 
I'm one of the prevailing things

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of Barna in these post, pandemic
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Yes. 
But in particular, is people are

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quitting. 
They, they're just coming to the

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place. 
I can't do this, I can't do 

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this. 
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You could be at the beginning, 
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No! 
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I'm ready for this, but I don't 
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you've been doing it for a while
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And it reminds me of a word that
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it reminds me of the word 
inadequate, where I feel 

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inadequate to the challenge. 
I feel I want to serve, but I 

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just don't think I am able. 
I don't think I can. 

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I don't think God wants to use 
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I don't think I can. 
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communication? 
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communicating with my wife. 
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communicating with the guy at 
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I don't I don't think I can do 
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What are your initial thoughts 
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You can't do it. 
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adequacy so that will really 
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I think feelings of inadequacy 
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always puts us in things, 
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head way over our capacity, way 
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some say, way over our 
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But that's part of the process. 
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called, they were completely 
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were following Jesus and they 
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happen from day to day. 
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into a time of you're really 
feeling inadequate in what 

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you're doing, then it's time to 
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brother or sister and say could 
you let me know what you see 

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seems to be fruitful in my life.
Life. 

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I think having that Council a 
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truth, speaking Godly 
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to flatter you flattery and 
godly affirmation are two 

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opposite ends of the spectrum 
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biblical, we see Paul doing it 
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We see him doing it with 
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well, they'll lose their reward.
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Foundational principle 
underneath it, that Godly 

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information is used by God. 
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exhortation is part of that and 
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into that feeling of inadequacy,
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Jesus directly in your 
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have to be honest and say, what 
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not expecting anything other 
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me because we get so 
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performance starts failing, or 
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we're doing and it's not 
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we begin to look at other 
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the same thing. 
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successful they are and look, 
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you never were and and it just 
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into the ground. 
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the one that's pulling the 
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I'm reminded of the phrase 
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get dismissed as cliches. 
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And one of the cliches that I 
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us and I embrace is that God 
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He equips the called. 
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said, what you? 
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anything, we are inadequate for 
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know what the task. 
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it requires us to be abiding in 
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I mean, one of the one of the 
very first Bible verse, I was 

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actually two verses that I 
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What I know it would be my 
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The rest of my Christian Life, I
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maybe Pastor Jeff. 
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that. 
I memorized this they told me 

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memorization is important. 
You should memorize this. 

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And and so I did Proverbs 
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Almost every believer in our 
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memorized it it's a common one 
trust in the Lord, with all your

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heart and lean not on your own 
understanding, acknowledge Him 

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in all your ways, and he will 
direct your paths. 

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That's not a new believer verse.
It's not someone that's one year

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old in the lord. 
It's a life verse. 

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Mmm. 
So that when we're walking into 

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something I would if you feel 
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be a danger, that may be a red 
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That that may be something. 
We're all. 

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I have a look at my schedule 
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We schedule podcast recording. 
Oh, I've done that before. 

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I could do it again. 
What there is something to be 

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said about experience? 
But whatever, we're going to do 

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on this podcast. 
I What it's going to be yet and 

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I just need the Lord to show up.
We want, we're not doing this 

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just to do it or not investing 
all this time, just so we can 

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record something. 
We really want to be used of God

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and if we step into this in a 
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you know, I probably done 
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it. 
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No, we don't know what the 
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trust him. 
I know understanding. 

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When when we were set to move 

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into Exeter England, to take 
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know, I pastored for 29 years. 
I know what I'm doing and and, 

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you know, I can be a real help. 
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first, you know, it's all 
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different culture. 
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they like hearing your English, 
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much as you like, hearing their 
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all, you know, the honeymoon 
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know, you can You can get 
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passed your language there and 
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working out that way. 
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that wait a minute, I know what 
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point. 
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the feelings of inadequacy in 
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people, in a different culture 
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of a so, Broken by the whole 
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of resignation. 
I mean, I've never done that. 

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I never done that. 
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but I've never done actually 
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like the Holy Spirit speaking to
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into City Center, it's going. 
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So what's that look like when 
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I mean people are going to say 
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Well, do you know, I got mad at 
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I couldn't stand it. 
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now put on your big-boy 
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And, and, and let's do this, you
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and I haven't called you to 
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You have no business going. 
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buttercup, let's get going 
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that, then we kind of pulled out
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submission. 
When you say, when you use 

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phrases like, put your big-boy 
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buttercup, those are phrases 
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the call. 
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there and it's going to be hard.
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seasons of feeling inadequate 
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I placed you there, he called 
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I know when we step into things,
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All it's overwhelming, its 
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England. 
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expectations when I moved here 
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long for God to shatter those 
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to come with a Clear Vision of 
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He wants us to trust him the 
church planting pastoring. 

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Eating serving is all about him,
it's him. 

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First, we love God. 
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soul and mind, that's first. 
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with ourselves. 
And as I'm listening to you, I'm

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just reminded of all the times I
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forgotten it on purpose or on 
accident, you know, a 

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like-for-like on purpose or just
by way of life that my 

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relationship was with singularly
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And I have to have my vertical 
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intact continually abiding in 
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Adventures, I can represent him 
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even the feeling of inadequacy, 
as you say is a true statement, 

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it is a true feeling, the word 
inadequacy is to lack ability, a

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lack of ability. 
That's really the essence of the

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definition of that word. 
And when it comes to serving God

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and it comes to serving his 
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fundamental. 
Mental ability that God will 

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give us in the moment. 
God will give us over time. 

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He will train us. 
I think of what Jesus did three 

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years. 
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look at the end product, the end
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Toward the end of his ministry 
was still very challenging until

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when they receive the holy 
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Amen. 
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even thus far in our podcast if 
we don't factor in the The power

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and the presence of the holy 
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And we just think, well, it's 
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inadequate. 
And I am not able and I'm such a

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failure and I make so many 
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So jacked up and hide. 
If it's all about me, then we're

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going to stay stuck in a place 
where people will get hurt by 

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our ministry. 
Yeah, because God wants 

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spiritual things to be done by 
spiritual men and women through 

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the power of the spirit. 
Yeah, I mean, there is a portion

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of Grace that will be 
distributed. 

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In Proverbs that says he, that 
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and obtains favor of the Lord, 
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the word grace. 
And so in talking with couples 

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before they're married, you go, 
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navigate this? 
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Once you say I do before the 
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state, there is a portion of 
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husband and wife, that was not 
Needed before and even in going 

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around to other churches. 
And and meeting this pastor that

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he tells me his story, he got 
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Elder in the church and all the 
sudden the pastor phoned him on 

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furlough and said, I'm not 
coming back you tag. 

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You're it now sudden he's thrown
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He says, I don't know what to 
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I have no idea. 
I'm going to look if you're in 

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this position. 
Now, God has given you Grace for

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the Addition or that let's say 
you have a family with three 

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kids and the husband gets killed
in car accident and all the 

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sudden, the Widow is now having 
to raise these three kids on her

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own and I've had situations 
similar to this, come into my 

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office, and you go, what do I 
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What do I do? 
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And you guys, let's stop right 
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realities. 
The first of all, God knew this 

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was going to take place and he 
has Grace for you that you 

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didn't need. 
Before and so you have to stop 

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looking at what you don't have 
and start focusing on what you 

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do have because and then you 
take it day by day. 

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Because today is the only day. 
Let's go back. 

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We have a few minutes left on 
this episode. 

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Let's go back and capitalize on 
what you said that brother that 

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you described Elder. 
I was just thrown into it and I 

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don't know what to do on a 
practical level Bob, I would 

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tell a man like that in all the 
things there's a I'm not going 

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to address all the things of 
taking over a church or 

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leadership or whatever. 
Any of that because even within 

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churches leaders, the leader of 
a ministry will leave. 

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And then what you're here? 
Do you want to lead? 

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You'll surely die, love this 
ministry but then they find out 

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leading is a very different 
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servanthood they had in. 
And so what happens in the you 

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kind of said it tongue and cheek
of whether it was a direct quote

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or not, but I have heard it 
before is as I don't know what 

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to do on a practical level. 
If you are a person right now, 

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listening to me that have been 
thrust into, I wouldn't say 

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thrown into Sovereign, Lee put 
Into placed in called to be in a

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position. 
Even if it's temporary, step 

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number one is, do not Champion 
the truth that you don't know 

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what to do. 
Don't make that your identity 

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because I think we could all do 
that. 

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I don't know what to do. 
What are you gonna do that 

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today? 
Ed you you're going to get a 

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phone call for clock is going to
be. 

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I don't I don't know but I'm not
going to walk around all the I 

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don't know what to do. 
What are you doing? 

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I don't know. 
I don't know. 

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I don't know and almost like 
you're My identity. 

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But rather rather do what you 
know to do start with what you 

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have. 
Don't despise the day of small 

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things, there is an obvious 
reason why you were in this case

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and the Elder. 
So continue to that role in 

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Elder as you add more 
responsibility and be a man of 

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prayer and and take into 
yourself. 

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The truth that God is with you. 
He has LED you to this place? 

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He will be with you and jock 
going back to Joshua 3 as we 

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spoke in another episode. 
What did God? 

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Tell hit Joshua in chapter 1. 
Don't Be Afraid. 

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Don't Be Afraid. 
Don't be afraid. 

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It's almost as if God deals with
Joshua. 

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I know you have no idea where 
you be, you're going to be fine.

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Yeah, trust me. 
Yeah, look to me and that's what

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the pattern is. 
By the time we get to chapter 3 

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and I'm reminded whether it's a 
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someone taking over a Ministry 
or thinking of a blended family.

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Now Coming up parent or again a 
new promotion at work look, 

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every believer has been called 
by God to serve him to have a 

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lifestyle of service. 
And we God has already dealt 

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with God has already dealt with 
the issue of your foolishness. 

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It's Bibble, he wrote it down. 
Is what he said for. 

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You see your calling Brethren, 
how that not many wise Sighs. 

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Not many mighty, not many noble 
for God has chosen the foolish 

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things of the world. 
It's too bad people get offended

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by that. 
But like you said at the 

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beginning, the first thing is to
acknowledge is you are 

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inadequate. 
You need the ability and the 

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power and the presence of the 
Holy Spirit as we've been taught

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Zechariah Chapter 4. 
It's not by might, and it's not 

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by power, but it's by my spirit,
saith, the Lord Sara Bell. 

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You can't do this. 
You're right. 

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But it's not about you, right? 
I'm going to use you and and 

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Paul would go on to say in that 
same scripture First Corinthians

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chapter 1, he God has chosen the
weak things of the world to put 

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to shame the things that are 
Mighty the base things, the 

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things wouldn't that are not to 
bring to nothing the things that

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are so that no flesh could glory
in his presence. 

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It's really important that you 
embrace the calling of God over 

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and above your inability. 
Ability, and inadequacy. 

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Yes, because if we're doing 
ministry, right? 

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We're doing life right in the 
Lord. 

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We're always going to be 
inadequate to the next thing for

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going glory to glory and 
strength to strength, then the 

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next step of Faith, the next 
opportunity. 

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The next difficulty were always 
going to be. 

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So I guess the summary of our 
time today, would simply be were

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yes, you're inadequate. 
And you always will be. 

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Yeah, amen. 
And the Lord will help you along

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the way. 
You will strengthen you. 

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But I would say, even if he even
meeting you, like, set your at 

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the table with us, I just say 
please don't make it your 

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identity. 
Nobody wants to know how 

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foolish. 
You are, how inadequate you are,

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that people don't follow that. 
Actually they like, you know, I 

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I tell guys that are teaching 
for the first time they come 

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into a Pulpit. 
It doesn't matter if it's 

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Church, Pulpit, home, Bible 
study. 

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I tell them this is one of my 
pet peeves, probably, because I 

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did it myself. 
And, and I know it didn't help 

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me. 
Communicate the gospel they'll 

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go in and go. 
Oh, I've never done this before.

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I just don't know. 
I hope I do a good job. 

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I'm going to try my best. 
I put my notes together. 

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I was who cares. 
Nobody cares about what you're 

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going through is you enter into 
the pulpit that's holy and set 

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apart. 
For God, this isn't about you. 

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So go in with all your fears, 
you're going to have. 

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I'm not saying don't have them, 
you're going to go in you all of

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that is true, but when you get 
into the pulpit, the words to 

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start with is let's open our 
Bibles. 

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Yeah, this This time I got you 
my time in the Pulpit is is to 

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bring glory to God. 
It's not for you to feel bad for

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me. 
And then by the and by the way, 

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most people aren't going to feel
bad about you, they're going to 

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go what in the world were you 
doing in there? 

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What do you have to? 
Why are you there? 

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If you don't know what you're 
talking about, I'm gonna check 

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out and play Angry Birds while 
you're teaching you like, I like

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you, you're already knew. 
It's already a new thing. 

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It's already a new episode. 
It's something that you've never

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done before. 
That's okay. 

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Nobody. 
Needs. 

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Nobody needs to know. 
Well, it just reminds me of a 

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lie who when he came to job, and
he spent like a whole chapter 

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saying, well, you know, I really
shouldn't be here and, you know,

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I just waited and I tried to 
find. 

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I mean, it's like, come on, 
dude. 

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Just tell me what you want to 
say that go. 

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Anyway, this comes to the 
conclusion of our our episode 

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today, appreciate you guys 
tuning in, having fun talking 

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Ministry, and life, and 
Leadership and serving it with 

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Pastor Bob, Clay Camp. 
Remember, we want your feedback 

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email me, the feedback has been 
really good for the podcast, so,

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Thank you very much. 
It's been very positive. 

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Constructive helpful. 
I think season for really is a 

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result of a lot of the feedback 
that I've received. 

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So thank you, email me. 
Edit at Taylor dot-org, Ed Ed, 

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Ed Taylor dot-org. 
We are a research resourcing 

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church. 
That means we love to help 

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people. 
And we would love to help you if

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we can, but we won't know. 
You need help unless you let us 

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know. 
Again, Bob had a Pastor Bob has 

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a Roll even greater than that 
even though he is a part of our 

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team, pastoral team here, he's a
part of the pointman Ministries 

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po. 
I am a endpoint main Ministries 

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and that takes him all around 
the world. 

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Helping churches filling the 
pulpit, doing assessments taking

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Pastors in their wives to lunch,
getting to know them being in an

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ear that they can bounce their 
life off of. 

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And and it you can contact Bob 
through the ministry here. 

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Calvary Co dot church. 
That's our website or he has his

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own website, Bob Clay camp. 
Um, but you have been listening 

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to lead to serve. 
My name is Ed Taylor. 

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I'm the pastor here at Calvary 
Church and we're grateful that 

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you have stuck around with us 
and have told people about it 

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and leaving reviews positive 
reviews. 

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So the algorithms will put the 
podcast in places where people 

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can find it. 
Share it on your social media, 

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maybe put it in an email. 
Some, some folks are using this 

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as a discipleship tool in their 
small group. 

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And, and if you ever want me to 
dial, And I can call in, we 

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could call right in on Zoom now.
And now we learn how to use a 

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whole new technology used to be 
Skype in the day. 

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But now, through Zoom, we, I've 
been doing a lot of things on 

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that dialing into small groups, 
as they use, one of the books 

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here for discipleship or 
whatever. 

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If we can serve, we want to. 
And if not me one of the men on 

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our team here, would love to 
serve and encourage you, you're 

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not alone and whatever Endeavor 
you have wherever you're serving

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the lord. 
You're not alone and we're 

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grateful to be a part of it. 
So thanks for joining us. 

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Till next time the Lord bless 
you, encourage you and 

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strengthen, you, thank you for 
joining us for this episode of 

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lead, to serve with Pastor Ed, 
Taylor, a leadership podcast 

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from Calvary Church in Aurora. 
Colorado, if you have a 

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leadership question, you want to
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to serve podcast, please email 
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podcast.