1 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,520 This is lead to Serve with Ed Taylor, a leadership podcast. 2 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,920 Welcome to another episode of the Lead to Serve podcast with 3 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,320 Pastor Ed Taylor. I'm Ed, your host for this 4 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,360 podcast, along with Pastor Bob Klaykamp. 5 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,480 Welcome, Bob. I appreciate it being here. 50 6 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,280 plus years of ministry in a variety of different ways. 7 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,560 He's such a blessing to the body of Christ and a blessing to us 8 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,200 here at the church and our podcast. 9 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,720 Appreciate all your response and your feedback on the podcast. 10 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,640 We hear it, we pray over it, we implement it. 11 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,680 You know, our goal is to help you grow in your servant 12 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,200 leadership so that you will glorify God and all that you do. 13 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,200 The better servant that you are, the better leader you'll become. 14 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,800 And these times are designed to discuss important topics related 15 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,080 to serving. Picture it this way. 16 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,120 When you're listening to the podcast, you're just coming into 17 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,040 the office with us and we're talking about a topic. 18 00:01:04,519 --> 00:01:06,960 We're talking out loud. They're not scripted. 19 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,200 This isn't a scripted podcast, but we have some topics. 20 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,040 We have some line items, We have some notes. 21 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,400 More importantly, we have the Bible and the Holy Spirit. 22 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:21,000 We have experienced some of it's very successful that has done 23 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,000 great for the Kingdom of God. And we also have experience that 24 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:28,440 are big, big mistakes that we've made that God is still used 25 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,640 right because he works all things together for the good, 26 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,400 for those that love him and those that are called according 27 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,000 to his purpose. Our topic today I want to get 28 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:42,360 right into is building a team, raising up servants and leaders. 29 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:48,000 That is the number one at this point in the podcast, the number 30 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,480 one requested topic, How do I raise up a team? 31 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,400 I feel like I'm serving alone. Just when I raise someone up, 32 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,560 they leave and on and on the list goes. 33 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:03,080 This is applicable to a church planter, to a pastor, to a 34 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:08,199 ministry leader, even finding coaches for your Little League 35 00:02:08,199 --> 00:02:12,880 team. There is applicable transferable 36 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:17,200 knowledge that is going to help you and me. 37 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,400 But again, our context is the Christian life of following 38 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:25,000 Christ within the church. So a lot of our a lot of our 39 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,400 illustrations will be church related. 40 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,720 When I just received a request for this not too long ago, right 41 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,480 after I did a discipleship on a whiteboard. 42 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,360 I love doing whiteboard discipleship with our team on 43 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,480 this very topic where we're talking about the significance 44 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,840 and necessity of raising up a team. 45 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,760 I think it's been said that no man is an island. 46 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,360 We there what what's trying to be described there is you can't 47 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,520 do it alone. You teamwork. 48 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,920 Another phrase. It's teamwork makes the dream 49 00:02:56,920 --> 00:02:59,120 work. And and it's true. 50 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,520 Like there's so much less pressure as we saw in our last 51 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,800 time together when you when you have a team together. 52 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:14,360 So let's start with #1 it's very important that you are always 53 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,800 looking to pour yourself into someone else. 54 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,200 I don't think it starts, Bob, with the attitude of building a 55 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,360 team. I don't think that should be the 56 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,720 motive that I need people to help me accomplish what God's 57 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,520 called me to do. I don't think that's where it 58 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,120 starts. I think we we would be skipping 59 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:36,280 the most significant part of our Christian life, and that's 60 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,160 relationship. And the relationship doesn't 61 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,080 start with Bob. What can you do for me? 62 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,520 The relationship always starts. What can I do for you, right? 63 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,800 How can I help you? How can I serve you? 64 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,920 And the great really, there's two really beautiful 65 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,000 relationships in the Bible that remind me of that. 66 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,760 The first one, of course, is Jesus and his disciples, his 67 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:06,880 hand picked disciples who he chose to train, equip, deploy 68 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,920 and release. And of course, Paul and Timothy 69 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,480 in particular. We always use that phrase, you 70 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,800 need a Timothy, you need a Timothy and you need a Paul. 71 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,200 But it's not built. We can't start with building a 72 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,200 team, even though that's the question of the day. 73 00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:23,640 It has to it. To me, it's a part of the heart 74 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,640 where I don't, I don't want to use you. 75 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,840 You're not here to forward my agenda. 76 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:34,800 I'm here to serve you and I how can I serve? 77 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,320 How can I help you? Yeah. 78 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:46,840 You want to look to how can I help him or her find God's best 79 00:04:46,840 --> 00:04:50,440 for them? You can identify giftings, you 80 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:56,600 can identify heart somewhat. You can identify stability, 81 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:03,120 maturity, and as you interact with people and that means you 82 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,920 have to interact with them. You don't just take a what they 83 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:11,480 call ACV over in the UK, but a resume here and go, OK, well, 84 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,840 this guy looks good. So I think I'll, I'll bring him 85 00:05:13,840 --> 00:05:16,280 in, man. OK, that might be a starting 86 00:05:16,280 --> 00:05:18,880 place, but you got to spend time with them. 87 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,960 How do they react when things don't go well? 88 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,200 How do they react when they're told no? 89 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,320 I mean, all of a sudden character issues come out. 90 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,200 We're under pressure like we talked about in the last 91 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:39,720 podcast, but the focus is how can I help them reach more of 92 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:45,360 what God has for them? And in I remember pastoring, 93 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:50,960 especially down in Phoenix, where I was looking and watching 94 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:57,640 the flock, and I'm seeing these, these individuals that are just 95 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,320 pouring themselves into serving the church, serving people, 96 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,560 interacting with people, talking with them, sensing their 97 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:11,040 maturity, sensing their heart. And then I would ask him, have 98 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,520 you ever thought about you, you know, having a time where we 99 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,440 kind of focus more on what ministry behind the scenes looks 100 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,600 like? And I'd like to involve your 101 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,400 wife with that and just both of you as a team. 102 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,480 You know, I want you to just to pray about it. 103 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,560 And then they get back with me and say, yeah, yeah, that's 104 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,360 something I'd really like. And then as you go deeper with 105 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,520 it, then you discover more things. 106 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:41,480 And gosh, one guy was a manager for a a huge grocery stain chain 107 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,320 and there was like 46 employees under him. 108 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,480 But he says, you know, Bob, ever since I was a little boy, I saw 109 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:55,000 myself pastoring a small Community Church in an out of 110 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,040 the way place. I'm going. 111 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,920 Where did that come from? I mean, he goes, no, no, no. 112 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:07,120 I mean, it's really strong and I'm going, well, let's let's 113 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,480 think about that. Let let's go deeper with that. 114 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:14,560 Well, at the end of the day, he ended up resigning for his job 115 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,080 and he went up to the northern tip of Idaho and he's still 116 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:19,120 there. That's great. 117 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:24,160 And, and it's a Clark Fork ID on the very tip South of Canada 118 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:25,880 that's great. And he's been there for years. 119 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,760 And it you know, you, you just can't. 120 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,120 You just have to look for things. 121 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,280 Yeah, building, building a team. We'll get to some of the 122 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,640 practical things a little later That will help sort out where 123 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,040 someone, where someone fits and what they're giftings are. 124 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,720 The, the, the, it has to begin with, you have to have a heart 125 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,040 to serve people and love them and get them going where God 126 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,240 wants them to be, not necessarily where you want them 127 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,120 to be. If you don't start there because 128 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,520 the, the pressure or the, the question can even come from a 129 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,160 place of desperation where I just don't have any help. 130 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,720 I need help and that's secondary. 131 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,640 The need for help is always secondary for your need to be a 132 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,400 faithful man or woman of God. That's helping other people get 133 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,480 where they need to be. Otherwise we only see and you, 134 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,040 you, you got to watch out for this. 135 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:24,960 Don't do this to only see people as commodities instead of the 136 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,680 blood bought precious men and women that God is disciple in 137 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,560 and growing into the image of Christ. 138 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:32,520 So we don't want to skip this point. 139 00:08:32,799 --> 00:08:35,320 If you're wanting to build a team, number one, you have to 140 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,440 think more highly of others than you do yourself. 141 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:42,799 And as Pastor Skip Heitzig, I picked this phrase up from him 142 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:45,840 years ago. He says that in building a team 143 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,400 or raising up a Timothy or raising up someone to serve in 144 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,800 ministry to train them and help them, that you become this 145 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,800 divine talent scout, which requires, just like you said, 146 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,400 it's relational. It's not transactional. 147 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,120 If you take a transactional approach in the ministry, you, 148 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,000 you're not going to succeed. And what I mean by that is it 149 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,520 doesn't mean you won't you, you may have people that I if that, 150 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,680 but that's not your goal. That that's not the goal as a 151 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:13,360 believer. We're not, we don't, we don't 152 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,960 just want people to do things. We want them to fulfill God's 153 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,200 will for their lives. And I always I, I've, I've 154 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,960 adopted this phrase over the years when I'm appreciating like 155 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:27,440 last night, we are, we had our our pastor who overseas the 156 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,760 junior high ministry. He had mentioned this was his 157 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,560 10th retreat that he's going on with the kids. 158 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:36,200 He's taking the kids on a on a, a summer camp or whatever. 159 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,400 We are a junior high retreat and he had mentioned with his wife 160 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:41,800 that they've been there for 10 years. 161 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:46,080 So when I came up after they finished praying, I, I just 162 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,800 thank God for their ten years of faithfulness to him. 163 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,200 Yes, that it wasn't 10 years of faithfulness as junior. 164 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,960 That's not first that they have. They are doing what they they 165 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,520 have invested their lives in all these generations of young 166 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,720 people. Not for Calvary, not for Ed, not 167 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,080 for a name. They have done it because they 168 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:12,000 love God and they are serving Jesus with their gifts and 169 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,160 talents. And then secondarily, we get to 170 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,280 enjoy it. I have enjoyed the fruit of 171 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,800 their lives over the years, just like everyone here. 172 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,320 I have enjoyed the fruit of their lives. 173 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:30,200 But my greatest success in ministry is to get someone their 174 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,960 eyes on the Lord doing what God's called them to do. 175 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,840 If it's going to be in proximity of me, then I get to enjoy the 176 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:38,840 fruit of their life. But it doesn't have to be 177 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:43,240 proximity of me. I may just be someone that's 178 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,640 just passing through their lives or they're just passing through 179 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,800 my life. But if I only think of the team 180 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:54,520 first, or the leaders first, or the servants first in a church 181 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,680 setting of specially, and I don't think of what God has 182 00:10:57,680 --> 00:11:01,320 called me to do to disciple them and train them in being lovers 183 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,920 of God, then I'm going to fail. Yeah, and you're going to hurt 184 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,680 people in the process. Very much. 185 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:13,920 People are not commodities. This is not transactional, this 186 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,800 is relational. So setting that aside, now that 187 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:24,480 we've got that settled, we are serving Jesus by helping him, 188 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,440 partnering together with Jesus in discovering the gifts and 189 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,840 talents he's given to his body. Certainly he gives us the 190 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,680 privilege of building a team. He gives us the privilege of 191 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:36,240 being in and out of people's lives. 192 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:38,680 For many of us, we are part of a team. 193 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,640 We're not the key leader. We're the one serving and 194 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,880 leading. For others of us, we are the 195 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,480 leader in that team. But none the less, I I like the 196 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,440 word team because we all have a place. 197 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,480 We all have a position and I I when I think team, I think 198 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,160 baseball. That's my favorite sport. 199 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,080 And I always think of the baseball analogies. 200 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:02,000 But you can use whatever analogy that you want in sports that 201 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,480 we're to raise up and we'll just use the context because you 202 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,280 heard this, We'll use this phrase because you hear it in 203 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:12,120 the church a lot that you are to raise up a Timothy. 204 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:17,840 That's how we describe discipleship and we are teaching 205 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:23,440 other men and women how to serve God effectively on a team. 206 00:12:23,680 --> 00:12:26,760 And how do I raise people up? How do I, I'm sitting in my 207 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,080 office right now, I'm sitting around, how do I raise people 208 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:31,560 up? Nobody wants to serve. 209 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,480 Nobody gives the commitment. No, but, and, and we're, we've 210 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:40,440 got a lot of difficulties we're facing in raising up people. 211 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:45,960 And I want, we want to give some very practical things that will 212 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:50,840 help us in raising up a team. And we'll get to the practical 213 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,440 things in a moment. But the, the, the significance 214 00:12:54,480 --> 00:13:00,200 of having people around you to serve, you need them as much as 215 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,560 they need you, as we all fulfill our rules. 216 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,520 And it is God's will for you not to serve alone. 217 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,440 And it is God's will for you to pour yourself in. 218 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,760 But again, we are not, we cannot think of this topic as 219 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:19,320 utilitarian where I have a need and I need to fill a need, so I 220 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,000 need to find a person to fill that need. 221 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:27,760 We are discipling people. Disciple, the word means to be a 222 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,240 learner. So that means if I'm discipling, 223 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,440 I'm teaching. So I'm teaching men and women, 224 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:39,680 boys and girls, how to love God and abide in Him and serve Him. 225 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:45,280 I'm not filling roles or like you said, because it's easy to 226 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,800 fit. I'm not hiring for a job. 227 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,680 I'm not I'm I'm grateful for your resume because it tells me 228 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:55,080 something about you, but I'm not hiring for a job. 229 00:13:55,560 --> 00:14:00,960 I'm I'm discovering the person that God has for a role and it's 230 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,840 if we skip this piece, then we are really going to make big 231 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,520 mistakes. Yeah, and and especially when 232 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,760 your church is small and you don't have a lot of resources to 233 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:20,320 draw upon, the challenge to fill roles is pressure like we talked 234 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,040 about in the last one in the last podcast. 235 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:30,880 But God has to give you the grace to develop this or to have 236 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:36,080 that or to do this ministry. It's not that you go about to 237 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,200 set it up and then ask God to bless it. 238 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,200 That's the cart before the horse in a church setting. 239 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,240 Well, then if I don't do it, people will leave. 240 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:53,960 Well, OK, it may happen, but you just can't throw bodies in just 241 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,480 to say you can put it on your website that you've got this 242 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,120 ministry. And when when you're thinking 243 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,160 about raising up a Timothy, I'm looking at the first time 244 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,560 Timothy's name is mentioned in Acts 16. 245 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,280 Paul, it wasn't that he was looking for a Timothy. 246 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:12,160 He was just, he and Silas were coming across the churches that 247 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,440 they'd already established. And then he ran into this young 248 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,120 man named Timothy, son of a certain Jewish woman who 249 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,880 believed his father was a Greek. And then it says in verse 3, 250 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,040 Paul wanted to have him go on with him. 251 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,640 So it was like it wasn't like he had this grand plan. 252 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,960 He was just saying this kind of makes sense the time. 253 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,240 So let's let's see how this works. 254 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,120 Well, first of all, Tim, you have to be circumcised. 255 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,360 I'm sorry. This is like this is how it's 256 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,960 going to be a little rough. OK? 257 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,720 But he but Timothy submitted himself, because he had that 258 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,880 sense. And then it says, as they went 259 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,560 through the cities, they delivered to them the decrees to 260 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,680 keep, which were determined by the apostles and elders on the 261 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,120 churches, were strengthened in the faith, and increased the 262 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,800 number daily. And so Timothy was his traveling 263 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,680 and he was learning during, I mean, hanging out with Paul was 264 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,440 serious and it was dangerous. It was really you had no idea 265 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,920 what Timothy had no idea what he was walking into. 266 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,960 I do like that you, you, you keyed in on this and now I'm 267 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:15,800 looking at the clock. This is definitely going to be 268 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,560 two episodes. In this one, we're going to talk 269 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,160 about the theory. In the next one, we'll talk 270 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:26,320 about the significance practicalities. 271 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,000 Excuse me. We'll be able to talk about the 272 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,760 practicalities in the next one. But I, I like what you said. 273 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,480 Can you read the verse again? He did. 274 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,280 He invited Timothy to come along. 275 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,960 What does the verse say exactly? All wanted to have him go on 276 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,320 with him. Go on with him. 277 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,920 That is the essence of most relational ministry. 278 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,440 I want you to come with me, Come, come with me. 279 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:58,560 Which leads us to the two big categories of, of how to raise 280 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,680 someone up it. It has to be relational, it has 281 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:09,160 to be together in some way, and it has to be conveying what who 282 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,920 you are and who they are and what you have to add and what 283 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,640 they have to receive. But there are two ways within a 284 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,720 church setting, that's how we'll use this, that you are able to 285 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:26,960 raise people up #1 they come to you and #2 you go to them. 286 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:33,440 Number one, they come to you, which could be a bulletin 287 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:39,200 announcement asking for help. We really need help in such and 288 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,280 such a ministry. It it's people coming to you 289 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:47,160 that that's more reactive. You have a need and you ask for 290 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:51,000 it and it's needed that that there's no there. 291 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,200 There's no yes or no or right or wrong on this. 292 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,960 It's just a category. People come to you, it's 293 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,600 reactive. They need to make themselves 294 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,680 available. They need to hear a need. 295 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,160 They're most likely they're not going to come to you and and 296 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,040 present themselves to you. They're probably going to be 297 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,680 reactive to something. And then secondly, you approach 298 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,880 someone and which is proactive on your part. 299 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,440 You are literally doing what Paul did there. 300 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,200 You are coming through town and hey, come with us, come with us, 301 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:25,760 come with us. It is more observational, like 302 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,840 you had mentioned in your earlier examples. 303 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,640 You're observing, you see something in someone, you start 304 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:35,320 a conversation, you get to know them, then you begin to discover 305 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:40,040 where their desires are. And that helps you fit them fit, 306 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,320 fit them better into the place that they belong. 307 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:47,880 And here's the thing between those two, between the most 308 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:54,800 people, most leaders live in the number one category. 309 00:18:55,520 --> 00:19:01,160 They just sort of wait until someone comes to them and 310 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,680 responds to a bulletin announcement or, you know, now 311 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,920 we're sending emails out with needs and things and just 312 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,840 waiting for that e-mail, waiting for that ministry application. 313 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:18,200 Waiting, waiting, waiting where? Which does this is an area where 314 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,720 many people do start serving because it's the only way they 315 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,520 know, right? This is an area. 316 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,960 It is a valid area. I want to be clear on that. 317 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:31,160 However, if you really want to enjoy this process, if you 318 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:36,880 really, really, really want to enjoy this process #2 is where 319 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,240 you need to be The second category. 320 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:44,080 Approaching people all the time in a mode of prayerful 321 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:50,880 discovery, watching, observing, listening, inviting people to do 322 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,440 things with you, which again, we'll get into the practical 323 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,560 things later. But in your ministry experience, 324 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:58,640 have you seen these two categories? 325 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,000 And what are your points of view on these two categories? 326 00:20:01,120 --> 00:20:03,440 People coming to you and you're always waiting. 327 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,240 You going to people but you might be even be uncertain or. 328 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:12,000 Yeah, I think they, the first category, they come to you when 329 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:18,080 there's a general announcement, you know, that has limited 330 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:25,480 success, but always being on the lookout and seeing what God puts 331 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,680 in front of you. I mean, the verse before the one 332 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,040 ends, Acts 16, two regarding Timothy. 333 00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:35,840 So Paul and Silas are going there and then all of a sudden 334 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:40,920 it says Timothy was well spoken of by the brethren who were at 335 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,480 Lystra and Iconium. So this guy had a testimony 336 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,600 already that was impacting, and that caught Paul's attention, 337 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,600 but it was God who put that before him. 338 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,600 And then when he found out that it was true, you know, behind 339 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,280 the scenes, Paul wanted to have him go on with him. 340 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:05,280 And so as you're looking at your ministry, which is not yours, 341 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,760 but it's God's ministry, what he wants to do with you and around 342 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:15,160 you, in you, through you, then you say, Lord, you put people in 343 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:20,360 my life and help me to recognize how you're working in their life 344 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,240 and then help me to take a risk because it was a risk. 345 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,080 Yeah. You know, he was relying on 346 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,840 other people. And so he's, you know, going on 347 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:35,040 with Paul, there was going to be some rough seas. 348 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,600 I mean, Timothy was with him until the very end. 349 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,320 And the Bible does give us insight. 350 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,040 So when you're looking at people, the Bible does give us 351 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,760 insight of what to look for, the characteristics of a man or 352 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,280 woman that God uses. Even in Acts 6 when it the most 353 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:56,560 simple functional need of distributing clothing to very 354 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:03,040 hurt, painful, upset widows, which is a very simple task in 355 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,280 terms of distribution. You know you were giving out 356 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,080 boxes, giving out clothes, wherever it may be, but it was 357 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,720 more the the leadership of the church recognized as we all need 358 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:17,440 to do even the most simple mundane task have significant 359 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:23,280 spiritual significance and they they serious, let me put it that 360 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,360 way, serious spiritual significance because it wasn't 361 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:28,160 merely about giving out clothing. 362 00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:31,520 It was about loving these women and getting their eyes back on 363 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,440 the Lord. So what does he say They needed 364 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,000 to be full of the Holy Spirit. They they needed to be want. 365 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,320 Let me look in Acts 6 wisdom say, do you have it open? 366 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,600 No. OK, that's OK. 367 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:47,600 Let's look it up. Acts 6, these are the qualities 368 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,320 that they were told to be to look for in the Scriptures. 369 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,360 So here it is. It says seek out from among you. 370 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,280 This is Acts 63, seek out from among you 7 men. 371 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,280 Good reputation. You just mentioned that. 372 00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:01,520 That's what reminded me when you said that. 373 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,640 Good reputation. So that means people have 374 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,200 already seen it as well full of the Holy Spirit. 375 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,000 That would how do you know someone's full of the Holy 376 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,280 Spirit? They, they demonstrate the fruit 377 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:12,600 of the Spirit. That's the first thing I'm 378 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,280 looking for wisdom. Have you seen them make 379 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,400 decisions so that we can appoint them over this ministry and 380 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,440 we'll give ourselves the prayer in the ministry of the word. 381 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,600 You also have First Timothy 3. You can take the attributes of 382 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,280 what an elder requires and apply them. 383 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,560 They may not be in an elder role, but the character there is 384 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,240 a character involved in entrusting people as you're 385 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:40,760 building a team, being able. So you're not as you're, as 386 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,120 you're interfacing with people in your church. 387 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,480 Not everyone's going to serve and not everyone that you may be 388 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,400 in their life to do something else. 389 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,360 That, and that's where that's where I want to warn you. 390 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,440 If you get desperate and, and, and sometimes we, we really do 391 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:01,680 need help and we circumvent the right pathway, then we're going 392 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,440 to have wrong people in positions that will hurt because 393 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,840 we just want to fill a role instead of going no, God put me 394 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,520 in your life, not even for ministry. 395 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,320 He just wants you to have a prayer partner. 396 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,880 So I tell what that's why I met you or God put me in your life 397 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,640 because you just needed me in a season to speak a word. 398 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,760 It. I know in the back of my mind 399 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,120 I've got three different things I really need, but I'm meeting 400 00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:28,560 people to serve them. I'm not meeting people to fill a 401 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,600 role. However, you will meet a lot of 402 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,640 people that fill the role. Yeah, these are the 403 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,880 characteristics you're going to want to look for because you 404 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,160 can't. And I love this line. 405 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,240 You have a line here when we were taking notes on our topics 406 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,240 that when you do entrust leadership or servanthood to 407 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,360 someone, you don't give titles, but rather you're inviting them. 408 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,960 You, like you said with Timothy, you're inviting them along like 409 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,440 Acts 16, you're saying, come with me. 410 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,520 And for us, it's a come with me to a hospital visit, joining in 411 00:24:58,520 --> 00:24:59,640 ministry. Again, we'll get to the 412 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,800 practical things in the next episode, but you're, I can't 413 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,080 emphasize this enough. I, this is probably the third 414 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,880 time I've said this that I've seen it so much, so much. 415 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,760 I made it my made the mistake myself. 416 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:16,840 If you treat the things of the church as transactional and not 417 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:21,640 relational, you will fail. Even if you fill every position, 418 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,320 even if you think your church is humming along like it needs to 419 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,560 be, this isn't a transaction. God. 420 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,680 God doesn't like, you know, just like I found you, Cha Ching. 421 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,200 I can move on to the next one, Cha Ching. 422 00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:34,680 No, no, no. This is a person, people. 423 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,400 Jesus died for people and even the world kind of sneaks in 424 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,960 this. Somehow I can see you as 425 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,680 something other than you are as a blood bought man or woman of 426 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,840 God. Because whenever I had problems 427 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,400 or people in I was in management, people had problems 428 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,600 with me. Where did they go? 429 00:25:52,840 --> 00:26:00,880 They went to human resources and the human resource department is 430 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,200 the one that takes care of people, but the title of the 431 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,400 department doesn't really reflect it because they're not 432 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,480 resources. Now that you could look at it 433 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,920 from another perspective and go, well, we have resources for 434 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,560 humans, but that's really not what they're trying to describe. 435 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,600 They're trying to describe that this is the group of people 436 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:23,120 dedicated to helping you have peace at work because you're a 437 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:26,400 resource to the company. And that's that's coming to the 438 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,720 church where we, if we only view people what they can do for us, 439 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,760 we're going to fail because it's not about in the church or in 440 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,560 life, period. It's not about what people can 441 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,680 do for us. It's about what people can do 442 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:42,200 for the Lord. And it takes a skilled leader to 443 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,400 a skilled leader to put the right people in the right place 444 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,920 carefully and relationally. Now my timer is flashing red. 445 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,560 I knew it would because this is such a great topic. 446 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,320 So we're going to come to the end of the episode today. 447 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,440 In our next episode, we're going to talk some real 448 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,360 practicalities. We should be able to knock it 449 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:07,680 out in one episode, but this ends today. 450 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:13,840 Our our this moment, our episode #5 building a team, raising up 451 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:18,680 servants on the Lead to Serve podcast with Pastor Ed Taylor. 452 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,000 Ed Taylor and Bob Klaycamp are in studio talking these things 453 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,240 out. I love this. 454 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,800 I love this question. This is I love living in this 455 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,320 world. I I love seeing people be what 456 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,880 God has called them to be. And so stick around with us to 457 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,320 the next episode where we get because there's still we talked 458 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,160 a little bit about the what and the why, but now we have to talk 459 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,200 about the how. That's that. 460 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,080 That's an essence where many of the questions were, well, how do 461 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,600 I do it? And we've already talked a 462 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,680 little bit. People come to you, you go to 463 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,480 people. We'll get into that next time. 464 00:27:54,640 --> 00:28:00,240 Give us some feedback if you have any 720-608-0012 you can 465 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,960 text us there. 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