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Hey editor Chris here. 
I need to apologize before we 

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get into this episode. 
My mic cuts out for like a split

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second throughout this episode a
few times and I apologize I 

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wasn't able to recover the 
audio. 

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I don't think it impacts the 
episode in any way, but if you 

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hear me, drop out and come back 
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That's what happened. 
I tried something different with

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my setup and I shouldn't have 
done it. 

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I know better. 
I apologize. 

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Now on to the episode. 
Welcome to Comfort Zone, a 

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podcast all about pushing your 
hosts well outside of their 

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comfort zone. 
I'm Christopher Lolly and each 

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week I am joined by two 
incredible Co hosts. 

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As always, I am joined by the 
rambunctious Matt Merchler. 

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How are you? 
I'm good. 

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Last week I accidentally leaked 
an app and then I just decided 

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to say screw it and released it.
So we'll see what happens this 

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week. 
And that's why you're be called.

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Be called, you're being called. 
Wow. 

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I cannot speak rambunctious. 
But we're also joined by the 

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rascally nee Leon. 
Nee Leon, how are you? 

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I'm doing well, as you can see 
if you're watching the video, 

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I'm in the white void because we
start, we're moving soon. 

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So I I started taking down 
things on the wall and the 

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apartment is a mess. 
I thought you were entering your

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Johnny I've era. 
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Just pure white room. 
Oh yeah, that guy. 

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On. 
Just like that guy on YouTube 

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who made all White Studio and 
called it an Apple store. 

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Anyways, we have a tiny topics 
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Somebody take the microphone 
away from me. 

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OK, yeah, I put in something 
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When this episode comes out, it 
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least to the one month 
anniversary of me launching Tiny

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Star. 
Yeah, and it's been doing very 

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well. 
Like I foresaw like 10 people 

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buying it and it would be fine. 
I would be like, yeah, I was 

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glad I did that and then move 
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But no, it's more like a few 
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bought it. 
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Yeah, this is insane. 
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to get a critical number of 
people using your app, they find

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all sorts of weird things that 
that are impossible to find that

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you can never reproduce. 
So right now I'm in. 

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I'm like I'm taking for the 
first few days I released a 

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bunch of updates in a row 
because I already had planned a 

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bunch of things to add to the 
app after it initially went out 

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to date one point O went out. 
But now like I'm taking my my 

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time. 
I'm just needing all my time to 

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just fix the obscure bugs that 
people have found and add some 

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new things that people are 
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For example, I the next release 
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next week or so. 
Somebody suggested that tiny 

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start. 
It should not clear the search 

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field when immediately you know 
so that for example, if you're 

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doing the calculations in there,
you're doing 2 + 2 and jumping 

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back and forth between Tinystar 
and document to fill in the 

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results. 
Maybe you want to the previous 

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calculation to persist in 
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So now there's a setting so you 
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query for 30 seconds before 
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So yeah, anyway, that's cool. 
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say. 
I assume people listening to the

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show are among people who tried 
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And thank you for the feedback. 
It's been great. 

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Nice. 
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app, what are you doing? 
It's great. 

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Yeah, it's. 
Just a launcher. 

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It's it's very good. 
Matt did a video on it. 

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I swear my video on it is coming
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If it's not out by the time this
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horrible has gone wrong. 
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So it should, by the time this 
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out by then. 
Something horrible has gone 

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wrong is what you said. 
Yeah, if it if it's not out by 

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then, come and check on me. 
But yeah, anyways, we have some 

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exciting news. 
So not the next episode, but the

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episode after that will be 
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which, yeah, that's that's 
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Episodes reaction thing. 
Where's the There you go, 

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fireworks? 
There you go. 

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Yes, fireworks. 
So we're we're kind of 

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brainstorming a few ideas, but 
one of the ideas we had for that

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episode is let's get some 
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So in the description or show 
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can I get YouTube brained and I 
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Sorry, but in the show notes 
there is the link to a feedback 

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form. 
Send in your questions title at 

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episode 100 question or 
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Just first line or something 
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you want. 
It could be a follow up to a 

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challenge or a topic, Something 
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want us to talk about, whatever 
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Politics we want. 
Or maybe my red sauce recipe. 

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Maybe you want my red sauce 
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My red sauce recipe is amazing. 
Which I actually can't give you 

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the recipe because it's it's 
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just, you know, it evolves. 
It's like jazz. 

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My red my red sauce recipe is 
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Yeah. 
I thought you're going to say it

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was like Claude Mythos. 
It's too dangerous to give to 

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the general public. 
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It is. 
Dangerous. 

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It's spicy. 
That's a spicy meatball. 

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Anyways, sending your questions 
for episode 100. 

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We might have some other stuff 
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I don't know We're figuring it 
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It's it's what we do best here. 
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What we've done since day one. 
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And this would be normally the 
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say, and this week on Cozy Zone,
we did something, something, 

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something, but we recorded the 
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already be and you're listening 
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that in a couple of days. 
I don't know we're going to do 

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something for that episode. 
I don't know what it is yet, but

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Cozy Zone is our members only 
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And if you like us, maybe check 
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It's a whole extra episode of us
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It really helps out produce the 
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appreciate it. 
But anyways, we should get in 

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the main show unless there's 
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Just just one thing, you 
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and I have still not listened to
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I haven't had time. 
And I do hope that it was OK, 

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like I'm feeling for the 
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I hope that. 
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You were able to get through 
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The listeners love me and Matt. 
We we talked about the MacBook 

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Neo. 
We had a combined. 

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Topic I did do one thing to 
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I looked at so you did home 
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and I clicked the home screen 
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Of course you did. 
Of course you did. 

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I had to. 
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Zoomed and she. 
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to the. 
Very pixel. 

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She to the Pixel, Yeah. 
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to just have three app icons in 
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home screens were in the show 
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My one comment is that Chris, I 
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exclamation marks on your to 
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How many X marks were there? 
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No like in your fantastical to 
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Oh, that's because I use the 
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That's what that is. 
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sort. 
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So if you in to do is, what you 
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tags. 
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basically make a list. 
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I just work top to bottom. 
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I don't do any of that stuff 
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So I just work top to bottom. 
So that's why they're there on 

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the. 
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exclamation marks in the 
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can't. 
But that's why they're there. 

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OK. 
All right, let's get in the main

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show 'cause I'm very excited 
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Matt is first up at what do you 
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Well. 
There was a moment you may have 

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noticed in last week's episode 
where I, I lost, I, I stopped in

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my tracks and I was like, Oh no,
there's something to my 

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screenshot that shouldn't be my 
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And I'll say for video 
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iPhone now. 
I still have 3 apps in the dock.

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I'm actually still holding on to
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I am so lazy. 
I just, I don't have time to 

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that add the 4th app back. 
But the app that caused the 

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issue was this purple one right 
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is a read later service, which 
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January, which is the longest 
I've worked on an app before 

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launching. 
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long in the grand scheme of 
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a quite a while and I released 
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quite well. 
Just like Neil Leon said, once 

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you get people using your app, 
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they use their computers, the 
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software that make you go, huh, 
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that, but I guess I need to 
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although there haven't been that
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And yeah, it's going pretty 
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I posted the night of that. 
There were 1,000,000 words saved

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to the service. 
We're up to 1.4 million now as 

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we record on Friday, the next 
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So it hasn't two things have 
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It hasn't gone down, the service
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This is good, payments are 
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thing is I'm closely monitoring 
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it ain't free to serve a website
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exploded. 
I was afraid it would explode in

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cost once people are actually 
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around what it would be. 
Is that the icon in your menu 

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bar? 
The train icon. 

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The train icon, yes that is I 
I'm hosting it and yes they had,

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they have an API for you to 
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So every 30 minutes I see a tick
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about the day where it goes 
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Like you have spent $5.00 so far
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like you have spent $700.00. 
I would have to shut something 

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down very quickly. 
But maybe that will be a good 

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day will mean you you will have.
Yes, you're right. 

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Surged in some audience. 
I should check my payments 1st 

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and if those have not biked as 
well, then I need to shut 

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something down. 
But yeah, so I don't want to 

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talk about the whole thing, but 
in general I want to say what it

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isn't, what it isn't because 
it's not for everybody. 

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It is not a raindrop or pin 
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It's not a generic link saver. 
It's not going to save an like 

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an HTML archive of all these 
things that you have. 

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It is an insta paper, a matter, 
a readwise reader alternative. 

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So it is for people who want to 
read things and everything about

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it is optimized about people who
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So that's what it's for. 
Also critically, it is not VC 

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funded. 
I cannot lose money on this. 

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And that is why there is no free
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That is why even unpaid tier, if
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I'm going to cut you off because
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generating audio is. 
But I'll talk about that a bit 

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more later. 
So that's what it is. 

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It's a read later service made 
by one guy doing his best. 

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He's in the Midwest. 
If you don't like these 

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California people, sorry Chris, 
this is this is the middle 

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America we later service. 
I bet that like literally a 

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stray bullet just came from 
Chicago and it through through 

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the the middle of the America 
Pierce the mountains and hit me.

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I'm so sorry. 
I didn't know it was going to 

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happen until it happened. 
I'm sorry. 

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Ow not all California people are
bad. 

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I mean most of us are annoying, 
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in that bucket. 
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California are bad. 
That's what they say. 

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Then you say fly over country 
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I get it though. 
So this was a hard project 

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because it was actually a lot of
different things that I had to 

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do, things that I had never done
before. 

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So this isn't the core of this 
product is an API. 

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As far as I'm aware, it's the 
only read later service that has

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just like a public API that 
anybody can build on. 

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Like you can't do that with the 
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As far as I know. 
They really want you to use 

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their own apps, which means 
anyone could do the things that 

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I've done except for the sign up
and like that sort of thing. 

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But like if you want to build 
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app, which I probably will never
make, you can do it. 

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But I had to make to make people
happy, to make it seem 

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reasonable. 
Outside of the API, there's a 

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web app, there's web interface, 
there's an iOS app currently in 

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test light, open test light, by 
the way. 

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So once you sign up, anyone can 
use it. 

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There is a Chrome extension, 
there's a Safari for Mac 

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extension, there's a Firefox 
extension, there is an Obsidian 

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plug in for syncing your 
highlights. 

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It's a lot. 
Also, if you thought app review 

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on the App Store was slow, you 
should try the Obsidian review 

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because it has been in review 
since early February and is 

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still not approved. 
It's crazy why it's a small 

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team. 
I I don't know who to poke if I 

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should poke someone at this 
point, but. 

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Well I know the C the CEO of of 
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Macedon. 
You could probably poke him. 

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He is. 
I'm actually using his Defuddle 

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library to do some of the 
article parsing. 

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So anyway, that's that's that's 
big business boy Birchler 

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figuring out the synergy right 
there. 

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Yeah, yeah, I'm loving this. 
I'm I'm loving this for you. 

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I'm really hoping this blows up 
and you can, you know, make this

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a like not that it's not 
serious, but like you can either

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go all in on this as like your 
big development project, because

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the world needs a really good 
read it later app because they 

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all start off good, but then 
they don't finish well. 

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So enjoy mine before it gets 
cluttered with all the things. 

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Maybe, or you will be asking for
like interviews with people 

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before they sign up. 
Yeah, you should go full. 

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What Superhuman. 
Why? 

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Why was I able to just sign up 
and give you money, Matt? 

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Why didn't I have to do a 30 
minute call with you? 

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You do so many calls with me all
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I cannot stop talking to Chris 
Lawley. 

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That's. 
True. 

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You're welcome. 
So let's talk about a few things

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that I think are interesting. 
I am super proud of the 

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authentication in this app. 
And why is it an exciting thing?

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It's because I have done the 
thing that passkey enthusiasts 

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say should be happening, but as 
far as I can tell, nobody does, 

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which is that all the benefits 
of pass keys are from getting 

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the password out of the process.
But in every service I have, I 

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have an username or e-mail, I 
have a password, and I have a 

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passkey. 
Quick Reads does not have any 

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passwords. 
I'm not storing any passwords 

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ever. 
I never will. 

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I hate them. 
We do magic e-mail links. 

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You can keep doing those if you 
want. 

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But if you are a a fancy 
gentleman or lady, you can set 

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up a pass key. 
It's super simple. 

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It works. 
It was actually surprisingly 

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easy to integrate into it as 
well. 

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And it just kind of works. 
So you should set up a pass key.

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Oh, that's a metric I could 
track. 

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Anyway, we'll get to metrics 
later. 

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I love data, so that's great. 
So pass keys. 

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It's wonderful listening to 
articles. 

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This is something I do all the 
time. 

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I will walk the dog or I'll go 
on a run and I'll not want to 

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listen to a podcast. 
I want to listen to an article. 

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So I just start playing an 
article, throw my phone in my 

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pocket and it's cool. 
So I knew I had to have that. 

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This was the hardest thing of 
anything I had to do in this 

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project. 
It is so hard and expensive. 

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So I initially was like, I'm 
going to have the best voices 

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you've ever heard. 
I'm going to 11 Labs. 

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I'm signing up for a developer 
account with them, and I'm going

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to be generating articles. 
It was like $0.50 per article 

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that I generated and I was like 
you. 

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Get somebody like Federico on 
there and that thing's going to 

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bankrupt. 
You I was like, no, this is at 

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first I was like, oh, This is 
why all the other services are 

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$10 a month or more. 
And then I was like, oh, that's 

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why they're also probably losing
horrible money on people like me

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who do a lot of this. 
So I'm not using 11 Labs. 

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I'm using a company called 
Async, which I'd never heard of 

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before, but they have a pretty 
good text to speech model that 

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I've integrated to. 
It's much more affordable, but 

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it's very complicated because 
you have to send them the text 

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and then you have to, they have 
a way to do it where you get 

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like time stamps along with the 
audio. 

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So I can know where in the 
article you are, so I can 

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highlight the word that they're 
saying as you go, and I can auto

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scroll the page in the web 
interface and on the iOS app as 

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it goes. 
So you can just kind of like 

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watch it, follow along. 
A lot of the other apps do that.

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That was hard to do. 
It is quite hard to do. 

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Also, if you send them a 10,000 
word article, that's going to 

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take a while to process and so 
you're just kind of sitting 

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there waiting for it to start 
and just waiting and waiting. 

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And that was not good. 
So I was like, OK, what do we 

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do? 
So we started chunking the 

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articles into like little blocks
of text. 

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And so that 10,000 word article 
is like 100 API calls and you 

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just do 1. 
As soon as the first one is 

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there, you start playing it. 
Then you make the second request

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and they, in theory, their 
network and everything is going 

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to outpace how quickly it's 
reading back to you. 

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But then you have to stitch them
together. 

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You have to make it play 
smoothly so they don't notice it

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is a whole thing. 
And then you have to store those

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files somewhere. 
So I have an S3 bucket that I'm 

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using. 
It's a whole thing. 

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This is why it took this 
project. 

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This project would have taken 
half the time if I didn't do 

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text to speech. 
It is so much, but I'm so glad 

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it's there. 
The SO I've never been a big 

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like text to speech person when 
it comes to articles. 

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Like I'd rather just sit down 
and read them, but I, I'm going 

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to give this a shot. 
I signed up for the basic tier, 

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but I'm going to, I'm going to, 
you know, give this little 

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college try and I'll switch my 
subscription and, and, and 

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figure out do that later. 
But yeah, I because like my 

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issue with all the text to 
speech stuff in the past, and I 

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think This is why I've never 
really used them, is they always

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sounded too robotic. 
But now we're in this age of 

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they don't they sound very 
normal. 

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So yeah, yeah, that's that's 
that's pretty cool. 

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I will say there's only one 
voice right now. 

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Multiple voices will come. 
I cannot tell you how hard it 

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was to get this out the door. 
So one voice right now. 

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For for $10,000, I'll record my 
voice for. 

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You, you know what I was 
thinking? 

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I was thinking because with 11 
labs, they have a voice clone 

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feature. 
And so I was like, I wonder if I

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could upload it a bunch of this,
this audio. 

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And then if you use quick reads,
the voice is me. 

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Oh no. 
Oh my. 

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God, so that, yeah, that's, 
that's listening to articles. 

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I want to talk about paywalled 
content because this is a tricky

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one. 
How do you handle paywalled 

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stuff? 
So you have a subscription to 

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Mac Stories as a random example 
of something everybody should be

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subscribed to. 
And you get the e-mail at the 

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end of the week and it's got the
article at the end of the week, 

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and it's got all this stuff, but
you have to log in to see it. 

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How do you do that with a read 
later service? 

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If you save just a random link 
in the web interface or in the 

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iOS app, you just like sit, add 
link, paste in the link, it's 

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not going to work. 
It's going to, it's not going to

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show you the content because 
you're not logged in. 

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My server isn't logged in. 
However, if you're on the page 

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you're logged in, all the 
content is there. 

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If you're using the browser 
extension or on iOS, the just 

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share sheet thing, it will grab 
all the content and save the 

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whole page for you. 
So if you're logged in, you can 

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save paywalled stuff if you're 
not logged in. 

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This is not a way to circumvent 
the paywalls. 

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This is the thing you can 
sometimes do with some of the 

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other services because I think 
they cache and share the content

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of URLs between users. 
So if someone saves an article 

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and someone else comes by later 
and saves the same link, instead

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of them pulling the info again, 
they just say oh we already have

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this article, here's the text, 
give it to this user. 

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So. 
Yeah. 

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So some people like that because
it gets around paywalls, but I 

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didn't think that was what this 
should do. 

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So I tried to make sure that if 
you subscribe to stuff, it's 

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easy to save it, but if you are 
not and are looking for some 

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weird work around, I ain't gonna
do that for you. 

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I'm so sorry. 
I'm not sorry, but I'm just 

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saying I'm sorry. 
I also did special stuff for 

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social media. 
So if you just use Defuddle on, 

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which is the HTML parser that 
I'm using, I also fall back to 

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readability if for whatever 
reason the service blocks 

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Defuddle. 
If you do that, the social links

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don't look great. 
However, Mastodon has an API, 

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Blue Sky has an API, and there 
are libraries out there that let

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you parse threads, posts. 
So what I've done is a special 

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thing for those is if you pass 
in one of those, it will parse 

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it correctly. 
It'll put like the user's 

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favicon in the user's avatar in 
the favicon thing, so social 

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media and post should play 
nicely. 

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I appreciate that Come because 
we're getting, Oh my gosh, we're

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getting very close to WWDC and 
this season where I will end up 

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saving a ton of posts of like, 
hey, I found this really weird 

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thing that Apple didn't show off
in the keynote. 

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So I I save all of those so I 
can reference them back. 

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So I appreciate that. 
Nice. 

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I'll go quickly. 
Payments are a thing. 

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I have to link payment IDs in my
payment system to my system, 

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link them up. 
I need to like check when you 

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open the service, like is it 
still active? 

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Did they cancel their payment? 
Are they? 

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That's a whole thing, actually. 
I do appreciate this is one of 

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the things you get with the App 
Store. 

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You just ask the system and it's
like, yeah, they're subscribed. 

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It's fine. 
There's a little more work when 

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you do it on your own. 
I am using the app Burr BRR, 

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which is a app for it's 
basically just a yeah, it's a 

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webhook basically that just you 
send requests to it, then it 

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sends you a push notification on
your phone. 

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It's cool, it's nice. 
So I currently have that set up 

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to buzz me every time someone 
signs up because it's. 

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I, I, I hope, well, I hope for 
your sake, at one point you're 

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like, I need to turn this off. 
And I mean that in the best 

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possible way. 
Yes, it is. 

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It's too much, but it's fun. 
So so I'm using that and then 

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I'm, oh, there's a whole e-mail 
system. 

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I'm going to stop in a second, 
but there's like a whole I need 

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to send emails. 
So I needed to use a service for

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that. 
I use resend, which is a nice 

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platform for that. 
Actually, when I woke up this 

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morning, I had to upgrade that 
service because I was on the 

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free tier and I was about to run
into limits. 

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So I suddenly have to pay for 
that, which is good news, bad 

451
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,080
news. 
But yeah, resend really nice. 

452
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,400
I actually have that configured 
now to send me like a daily 

453
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,720
report of like, here's how many 
people signed up, here's how 

454
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,480
many articles were saved and 
that sort of thing. 

455
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,200
And the final thing I had to do 
was I had to build an admin 

456
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,800
portal for myself. 
This is the thing I didn't 

457
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,120
really think about until late in
the process where I was like, 

458
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,680
how do I know what users I have 
and what if they have an issue? 

459
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,880
And how do I know when they 
subscribed and what they've done

460
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,560
and oh lordy, how do I do any of
this? 

461
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,440
So now I have. 
You export the database of 

462
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:05,400
course. 
Oh God, I now have this. 

463
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,760
It's called Backstage and it's 
basically just an admin portal 

464
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,600
that lets me see some basic 
stats. 

465
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,880
I'm not really looking at what 
people are saving, although the 

466
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,840
closest thing I guess I have to 
that is I did create a little 

467
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:21,080
table of the top domains people 
are saving just to get an idea 

468
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,840
for what sort of articles people
are saving to the service. 

469
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,120
I'm not looking at the exact 
URLs, but the domains are 

470
00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:28,000
interesting. 
You'll be shocked to hear it is 

471
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:33,560
a lot of tech and Apple stuff. 
Mac stories #4 on the list. 

472
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,080
OK, and the Verge is #1? 
Not #1 Interesting. 

473
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:45,360
Mac Stories gang, get to it. 
There's a revenue thing where I 

474
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:48,400
can see a breakdown of who's 
subscribed to what. 

475
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,560
I have a user list where I can 
see users. 

476
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,720
I have an announcement system so
I can send announcements to the 

477
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,080
interface like I'm 
Carrotweather. 

478
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,600
Pretty happy about that. 
And some error logging. 

479
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:05,240
So it was a lot, but I'm very 
happy I just released the stupid

480
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,720
thing. 
And by stupid thing I mean great

481
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,760
thing. 
Yeah, I've so I've been playing 

482
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,480
around with it and I, I really 
like it. 

483
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,400
I have two feature requests for 
you. 

484
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:14,880
Oh. 
No. 

485
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,360
Is it a clipboard manager? 
Because I cannot no. 

486
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:22,720
Cannot a clipboard manager and 
hush, please put hush in this 

487
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,760
app inside this app, No first 
one is so you have the ability 

488
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,640
to do tags, but I don't see a 
way to like filter the tags. 

489
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,120
So if I had a bunch of stuff 
tagged newsletters or Mac 

490
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:38,560
stories or something like that, 
I don't see a way to filter just

491
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,920
those tags and that would that 
would be nice and then the 

492
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,520
other. 
Let me address that one first 

493
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,400
just to just so listeners can 
keep up. 

494
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,480
I hate tags. 
I do not use tags, but people 

495
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,200
seem to love tags. 
So this is also a late edition. 

496
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,880
You can tag articles. 
There's actually, if you go into

497
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,680
settings, go into tags, you can 
actually set up rules to 

498
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,000
automatically tag domains. 
So if you say, I saw that, Yep. 

499
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,720
So you can automatically set 
tags if you want. 

500
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,800
I could probably have more logic
there, but on the search page 

501
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,360
you can click on your tags there
and it'll show you those. 

502
00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:15,160
Yeah. 
Oh, OK. 

503
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,840
I see. 
I it's something so maybe it is 

504
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:24,600
something maybe the ability to 
like have like a drop down lit 

505
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,600
like like just like another on 
that sidebar have like another 

506
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,320
section that just says tags and 
you can like turn it on or off 

507
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:35,920
or something. 
I do see a bug where I I tagged 

508
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,080
something so I before you were 
talking about like this isn't 

509
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,520
used for a bookmarking app. 
I I went ahead and tried it as a

510
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,200
bookmarking app and saved an app
from the App Store to it and 

511
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,000
tagged it app but I deleted it 
and but that app tag is still 

512
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,160
there. 
So even though there's nothing 

513
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,360
tagged with app. 
So maybe a a way to delete older

514
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,400
tags or remove them if there's 
nothing associated with that tag

515
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,520
anymore? 
Yep, that's that's good feedback

516
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,560
from someone who uses tags, so 
that makes sense. 

517
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,040
And then the other thing, and 
you probably won't want to do 

518
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,880
this because it'll be a whole 
thing, but one thing that I love

519
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:19,600
is the ability to give like 
newsletters and e-mail address 

520
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,520
and have it auto add that 
newsletter into a read it later 

521
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,920
service so I don't have to 
manually add. 

522
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,760
It he's loving the feedback. 
John Borges gave this exact same

523
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:35,480
feedback during the beta. 
I agree, this is the thing 

524
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,960
people do who are not me. 
This is the thing I would have 

525
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,760
to figure out how to do. 
But yes, I appreciate the 

526
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,560
feedback and I've put it in the 
backlog. 

527
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,600
OK, all right. 
OK, those are those are my two 

528
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,720
things. 
Expect more text messages from 

529
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,400
me now that I've I've been able 
to sit down and start playing 

530
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:55,920
with it. 
I've been a bad friend and I 

531
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,400
haven't been able to play with 
it until now. 

532
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:58,760
That's OK. 
That's OK. 

533
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,600
But other than that, I really 
love it. 

534
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:07,280
I understand Matt's concerned 
about dealing with more e-mail 

535
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,560
stuff. 
I, I get it, yeah, like I, I 

536
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,360
get. 
Now I I wouldn't want to do it 

537
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,120
either, but I also know like I 
want that feature. 

538
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:23,320
So yeah, well, I just paid for 
more e-mail stuff, so maybe, 

539
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:24,800
maybe resend has a thing I can 
do. 

540
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,400
We'll see. 
Maybe, yeah. 

541
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,800
But it's it's, it's a handy 
feature. 

542
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:35,560
Like that's something I miss 
because I've stopped using what 

543
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,160
was the whatever RSS service I 
was using. 

544
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,280
I stopped using that. 
Feedbid was it? 

545
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,800
Yeah, it was Feedbid because 
they give you an e-mail address 

546
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,240
that you can use for newsletters
and it automatically imports 

547
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,600
that stuff. 
So I I've gone back to having 

548
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,920
newsletters go to my inbox and I
don't like that. 

549
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,320
Nice. 
Well, that's it. 

550
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,080
It's quick reads. 
I will say so I have not signed 

551
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:06,240
up because obviously I'm me. 
I won't. 

552
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,680
I will not be using this. 
A system? 

553
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:11,480
No. 
No, at least. 

554
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:16,400
She's honest, yes. 
I, I will forget about it as 

555
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:23,080
soon as it, as it slips my mind,
which is immediately so, so 

556
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,880
yeah, but looking at it, it 
looks really nice. 

557
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,160
I I think you're a very good app
designer and it shows, 

558
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,120
especially when you're doing web
stuff. 

559
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,000
Yeah, honestly. 
Very pretty. 

560
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,200
Thank you I I am so much more 
confident designing things on 

561
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,240
the web than I am on iOS. 
Yeah, yeah. 

562
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,720
That that makes sense. 
I guess I've been doing it for 

563
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,160
like 20 years, so I guess that 
makes sense. 

564
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,720
But yeah, thank you And. 
And I like that your buttons 

565
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,600
look like buttons. 
I think this is a trend that we 

566
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,200
should bring back. 
Oh, I'm. 

567
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,280
So happy with my buttons, yeah? 
Yeah. 

568
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,240
It's good. 
It's, it's, it's really good. 

569
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,760
And I like that. 
It's not, and I mean this in the

570
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,240
best possible way, 'cause read 
it later services always start 

571
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:20,200
off simple and then they get 
overly complex with like I, I 

572
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,320
just became your podcasting app 
and all these other things. 

573
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,200
And it's like, no, it's just a 
place for me to put things I 

574
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,920
want to read later. 
And I love that. 

575
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,400
Yep. 
Nice. 

576
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:38,000
OK, Neil Leon, I heard you had a
big life event. 

577
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:44,080
Yes, I'm in the future now. 
Whoa, are Matt and I in the past

578
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,120
then? 
I I don't know, maybe you were 

579
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,840
already in the future and I 
joined you in the future. 

580
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,360
OK. 
Yeah, although Chris is using an

581
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,920
iPad, so he's in the past but. 
I am. 

582
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,920
I am currently not using an iPad
right now. 

583
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,800
I'm sitting at a MacBook Pro. 
My iPad is behind me. 

584
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,360
If you're watching the video I'm
pointing at the iPad. 

585
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,680
It's off. 
So it just looks like a black 

586
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:07,240
slab. 
OK. 

587
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:17,120
So yes, I I got a new Mac. 
Yeah, this is my first one in 

588
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,480
four years, like my first new 
Mac in four years. 

589
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:26,440
I got is it 4? 
I had them M2 MacBook Air and I 

590
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,520
was out in 2022. 
I think I bought it a few months

591
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,480
after it was out. 
So yeah, about four years. 

592
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:33,360
Four years. 
Wow. 

593
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:40,280
Yeah, some days I felt like I 
that Mac was still brand new. 

594
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,280
Time passes. 
Fun fact about that MacBook Air,

595
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,760
I was at the WWDC where it 
launched and there was a hands 

596
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,680
on area afterwards in the Steve 
Jobs theater. 

597
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,200
So we all walked over to the 
Steve Jobs theater and then all 

598
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,920
of a sudden the old school media
people started lining up to the 

599
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:03,920
side of like the hands on where 
the these MacBook Airs were set 

600
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:08,440
up like this floating display. 
And I walked past them and all 

601
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,920
these old school media people 
start yelling at me like just 

602
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,320
just get out of the way, get out
of the way. 

603
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,120
Like what the hell. 
Like I'm just walking over here 

604
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,719
like whatever. 
Turns out Tim Cook was walking 

605
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:24,280
in behind me. 
They're trying to get a shot of 

606
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,880
them. 
And Chris is just there. 

607
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:30,679
Yep. 
Yep. 

608
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:33,920
That's great. 
Yep. 

609
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,080
I was expecting something 
related to the MacBook Air, but 

610
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,800
no. 
Nope, Nope. 

611
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,719
Just Tim Cook was walking 
behind. 

612
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:46,440
Me Speaking of which, bye. 
Anyway, so I was saying I've got

613
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:52,480
a new MacBook. 
You know, I've been like working

614
00:34:52,480 --> 00:35:00,840
around my storage issues and it 
was all right, but it's it's 

615
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,760
tiring and also I did not have 
the budget to upgrade. 

616
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,880
Tiny start has helped immensely 
fund a new Mac. 

617
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,600
So that's great. 
This is like money in my bank 

618
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:19,120
account that was not expected to
be there, so all bonus. 

619
00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:27,160
So yeah, I told you in our group
chat I got the base M5 MacBook 

620
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:34,920
Pro and it's great. 
I think it's so first thing, 

621
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:40,200
it's chunky. 
It's got bots that I will never 

622
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:45,960
need, but OK. 
For real. 

623
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,680
I only noticed like that when I 
got home. 

624
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,440
Like I had completely forgotten 
that there was a feature, the 

625
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,160
HDMI port. 
And when I looked on the side, I

626
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,800
was like, Oh yeah, that's there.
And an SD card reader too. 

627
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:04,760
And an SD card like this will 
like be plugged with dust at 

628
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,760
some point because I will never 
insert anything into that. 

629
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,200
Yeah. 
And I got a so the base model 

630
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,280
has one terabyte already. 
So this is like major upgrade in

631
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,160
terms of local storage and you. 
Were talking about getting like 

632
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,000
512 gig one in the past. 
I don't even know if this was on

633
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,360
the show or for in our group 
chat. 

634
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,480
You're just like maybe a 512 gig
MacBook Air or something like 

635
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,400
that. 
But yeah, like a one terabyte. 

636
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,000
That's that's that's four times 
the storage. 

637
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,640
That's math. 
That's how math works. 

638
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,600
And yeah, by the way, Tiny Start
can calculate that. 

639
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,000
Let me do 256 times our kid. 
Junior could probably use that. 

640
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,960
124, yeah, I think that maps 
out, yes. 

641
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:56,080
Nice. 
Yeah, I did upgrade one thing on

642
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,320
that base model is that is the 
storage, the RAM. 

643
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:07,720
Sorry, I got 24 gigs of RAM 
because I was coming from 16 and

644
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:11,000
my MacBook Air. 
I was making it swap all the 

645
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:16,680
time and that was causing my 
distress lately because not only

646
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,680
was my Mac swapping all the 
time, which is fine because like

647
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,160
the M chips deal with that just 
fine, but also I was out of 

648
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,160
storage all the time. 
So there's nothing to swap into 

649
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,320
and Mac OS would be like, hey, I
will stop doing anything for a 

650
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,400
little while. 
Just hang on. 

651
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:41,600
Yeah, I was telling I think I 
told this Chris off at some 

652
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,520
point like recently I was on my 
into my book. 

653
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,880
I was doing something I don't 
remember and Mac W just locked 

654
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:56,200
up like it stopped responding 
and this like no mouse movement.

655
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,640
There was mouse movement, like 
it was just moving every two 

656
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:06,160
seconds or something on the 
screen and no keyboard, no 

657
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,120
nothing. 
And that was frightening because

658
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,640
I tried to force power power it 
off by holding the Touch ID 

659
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:19,040
button did not work. 
And I had no idea that could be 

660
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:24,760
possible. 
It's a bit no, I thought like 

661
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,560
because like this is a hardware 
thing, it will just power it off

662
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:32,560
no matter what's happening, but 
it did not power off that. 

663
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,640
I think that's worrying in terms
of what does. 

664
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,360
What does this button do 
actually, or how how is it wired

665
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,400
inside? 
Yeah, it's not a physical kill 

666
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,400
switch. 
It's probably hey, there's. 

667
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:46,920
There's a there's a low level 
software there, but it's still 

668
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,720
software. 
Yes, and looks like that 

669
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:54,120
software was like also choking 
on itself just like the rest. 

670
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,040
So yeah, this drove the decision
to upgrade. 

671
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:05,720
Now, Neilian, my my comments and
social media mentions have been 

672
00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:08,000
filled with people since my 
MacBook Neo review where I 

673
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,200
criticized 8 gigabytes of RAM 
saying that Macs never run out 

674
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,320
of RAM, they don't have issues, 
there's no reason to need more 

675
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,000
than more RAM, and you're 
telling me that there's actually

676
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,440
issues with when you run out of 
RAM and have low storage? 

677
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:23,000
This is shocking. 
OK, I'm just going to file that 

678
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:28,320
away. 
Like I said, it's fine as long 

679
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,960
as you have storage to swap into
and if you run out of that. 

680
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,880
It's game over. 
It's it's hard, it's hard to 

681
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:44,280
unlock Micro S. 
OK, OK, so so it's the base M524

682
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,520
gigs of RAM, one terabyte of 
storage. 

683
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,280
That's a good machine. 
But most important question, 

684
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,880
what color? 
Simva Silver. 

685
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,560
Oh, OK. 
My M2 air was midnight. 

686
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:03,160
I really like that. 
But like I when do I change? 

687
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:08,440
When do I update my Mac like 
every like twice a decade at 

688
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,840
this rate. 
Twice or thrice A decade. 

689
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,960
So this is my one opportunity to
like change it and there's only 

690
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,720
one other option with the pro 
model. 

691
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:22,560
See what? 
What you don't understand is the

692
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,880
you give Apple the less fun 
options you get see, if you go 

693
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,760
with the MacBook Neo, you get a 
lot of fun options and you don't

694
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,240
have to give Apple that much 
money. 

695
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,320
MacBook Air, you get a little 
more options. 

696
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,920
So that sky blue, I had a review
unit of that sky blue. 

697
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,640
It is not blue in any context 
whatsoever. 

698
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,880
And then you you go MacBook Pro 
and I have the space Gray 

699
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,080
MacBook Pro and it's fine. 
But yeah, the. 

700
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,520
My my belief is when it comes to
Max, the correct color to get is

701
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,800
whatever is not the color you 
had last time. 

702
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,520
And I felt this when I went from
the M2 to the M4 for my MacBook 

703
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,880
Pro. 
I got the same silver and I kind

704
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,440
of opened it up and I was like, 
I can't really tell the 

705
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,200
difference. 
It feels bad, Yeah. 

706
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,840
It feels bad because you just 
spend 2 grands and you're like 

707
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:19,520
is it the same thing? 
Did did you get and maybe? 

708
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,040
I don't know if the I think this
is an option on the base one. 

709
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,320
Did you get the nano texture 
display or the standard display?

710
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,640
Oh, so interesting thing. 
So when I when I was looking for

711
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:34,720
this Mac, I was evaluating 
multiple options. 

712
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:41,000
One option I was evaluating was 
getting an M4 Pro like 

713
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,760
refurbished or second hand or 
something. 

714
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:49,280
Finding a deal of that. 
It's it's impossible to find 

715
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:55,200
actually it's a rare breed. 
If you find it, it's extremely 

716
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,160
expensive, which doesn't make 
sense because like you almost 

717
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,360
had the price of the new M5 Pro.
So like what are you doing? 

718
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,480
Like you asking in your head, 
you asking the seller that isn't

719
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,240
in front of you, what are you 
doing? 

720
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:11,080
What are you expecting selling 
it at this price? 

721
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,400
I get it. 
As an M4 Pro owner, this thing's

722
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,520
unbeatable. 
No one's computer is better than

723
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:17,640
mine. 
This is great. 

724
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,080
I will never, I have no desired 
upgrade to the M5M4 Pro for 

725
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,240
life. 
As as an M4 Max owner, my my 

726
00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:27,640
computer's better. 
Oh my God. 

727
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:39,720
I did at some point find an M2 
Max deal and looking at 

728
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:43,480
benchmarks and whatnot, this is 
like in a monstrosity still in 

729
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,480
2026. 
So I could have maybe gone for 

730
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,000
that. 
But also there was the issue of 

731
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,960
the battery wasn't brand new. 
It was. 

732
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:57,080
So yeah, anyway. 
I I think when it comes to 

733
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,240
laptops, if you're not going to 
buy the go through the Apple 

734
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:03,200
refurbish program, which they 
replace all that, like they put 

735
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,680
a new battery and stuff in it. 
If you're not going to do it, 

736
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,800
just buy a new one because that 
having a new battery, because 

737
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,800
you don't know what somebody's 
done with that battery. 

738
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,800
Like has it, is it a device that
was always plugged in? 

739
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,240
Like you know, I know Mac OS 
does some stuff but. 

740
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,480
Oh, if you buy a second hand 
just ask to set a what's the 

741
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,280
battery cycle count? 
And it looks like most people 

742
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,600
are doing that now. 
By the way. 

743
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,600
They do they put it a list in 
France. 

744
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,800
Like all the listings I was 
looking at they just put in. 

745
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,920
In the listing they have a 
screenshot or even photo of the 

746
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,800
photo of the MacBook screen 
showing the battery count 

747
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,720
because people can't take 
screenshots in anymore. 

748
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,720
Or they think they're going to 
fake the screenshot like like. 

749
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:48,960
You know, yeah, maybe they'll. 
Yeah, maybe they'll. 

750
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,000
Although you could. 
Have put it in you could fake it

751
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,400
then there's a this is not 
important. 

752
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,400
There's a guy, there's a, 
there's someone that I deal with

753
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,320
at work that doesn't know how to
take a screenshot. 

754
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,520
And so he uses his phone to take
screenshots, but he stands like 

755
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,000
3 feet away from his laptop, 
takes the photo and then sends 

756
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,080
it to me in Slack and is like, 
and so I'm, I'm feeling like 

757
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,840
Neil, I'm pinching to zooming 
and enhancing the, the, the see 

758
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,840
the, the action ID that I'm 
looking for. 

759
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,240
And it's, it's crazy. 
Computer and some people are 

760
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,600
wild, yes. 
Command shift four and command 

761
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,120
shift three people. 
That's it. 

762
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:28,440
But to answer your question, 
Chris, so I was also looking 

763
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,880
obviously at the Apple 
refurbished store and on there 

764
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:38,880
some very interesting deals. 
The M5, the base model M5 was on

765
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,960
there in the French Apple 
refurbished store. 

766
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:43,560
Already. 
Wow. 

767
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,280
Yeah, there's a bunch of them. 
Of course, they come and go. 

768
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:55,280
One of them was the base models,
M516, gigs of RAM, 2 terabytes 

769
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,400
of storage and nanotextured 
display. 

770
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,800
So that was very tempting 
because it was like at the same 

771
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:11,720
price of the one I got in the 
end, but except the one I got in

772
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:16,840
the end has 24 gigs, but only a 
single TB and the next nano 

773
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,280
texture. 
And then I concluded, I really 

774
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,680
don't care about the nano 
texture. 

775
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:26,640
Wait, what's tempting like this?
It's weird because like this 

776
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,600
very specific configuration on 
the Apple Store, that's just 

777
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,880
very tempting with the nano 
texture. 

778
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,120
Somebody bought that and then 
because that's that's a custom 

779
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:42,400
order one right there. 
Like that's, that's, yeah, I so 

780
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,640
I have nano texture on mine and 
I like it for when I like at 

781
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,320
WWDC it was really nice because 
we, we were all sitting outside 

782
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,600
and I was editing our episode of
Comfort Zone and you know, the 

783
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,240
sun hits it and that's nice. 
But like where I sit on our 

784
00:45:57,240 --> 00:46:01,560
couch, our sliding glass door to
our, our backyard is right 

785
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,200
behind me. 
And if I'm working at in that 

786
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,080
spot with the MacBook Neo, I'm 
like trying to like angle it 

787
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:12,040
just right being there with my 
MacBook Pro or my iPad Pro, I'm 

788
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,440
like, yeah, no problem. 
Nanotexture thing. 

789
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,440
Or on my iPad Pro, I have the 
paper likes I have the map 

790
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,440
screen protector and I'm like, 
yeah, this is no big deal. 

791
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,800
So it is nice if you have those 
specific use cases. 

792
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,480
Yeah, I guess, but like to 
facing the truth. 

793
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,000
The truth is I'm I'm an indoor 
person. 

794
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,720
I rarely go out. 
And when I go out, when I use my

795
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:38,640
laptop outside, it's either on 
the train for a few hours at a 

796
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:43,360
time for a long trip or like 
someplace else that's not my 

797
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,240
place. 
But it's always indoor. 

798
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:52,040
So it was tempting, but it's 
really not useful to me. 

799
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,920
But yeah, have. 
You have you noticed the 

800
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:00,800
difference between the thermals 
of the your M2 MacBook Air 5 

801
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,080
MacBook Pro? 
Because while they will have the

802
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,560
same well, they have the base 
trip of both of them. 

803
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,680
The MacBook Pro obviously has 
fans, whereas the MacBook Air 

804
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,040
didn't. 
I feel like I do notice a very 

805
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:19,480
noticeable difference. 
Like I keep my MacBook plugged 

806
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,000
in all day to the dock to the 
Thunderbolt dock and do all 

807
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,040
sorts of thing things and barely
turn it off only at night. 

808
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,560
And I can tell that after a few 
hours it things are still fine. 

809
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:39,600
Whereas on the M2 Air I could 
tell that it had been throttling

810
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,960
down, especially if I've been 
using it for a few hours with a 

811
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,280
plugged in with the big display 
and the dock. 

812
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,720
I I feel like I'm noticing this 
but it's not like it's not 

813
00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:55,200
something major for now. 
Something I've noticed just 

814
00:47:55,200 --> 00:48:01,760
today is Xcode. 
It just it builds my app like 

815
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:07,880
this. 
It's this is made I I did not 

816
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:12,840
expect or wanted like I did not 
even want some performance 

817
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,000
improvement with Xcode. 
Like it was just fine. 

818
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,800
I'm I'm building a small app. 
This is tiny start. 

819
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,240
It's tiny. 
And yet on the M5, I'm not like 

820
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,240
really, I click the play button 
to run a debug build. 

821
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,120
This it's instantaneous. 
Like it just runs as soon as I 

822
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,720
hit maybe like this one second 
when I make a change, I rebuild.

823
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,680
So yeah, that's that's a big 
improvement in in terms of 

824
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,720
performance and I'm noticing. 
That's awesome. 

825
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,800
Yeah, that's fantastic. 
Yeah. 

826
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,480
And otherwise, I wanted to, to 
touch on, on one last thing. 

827
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,760
I did the Mac migration thing 
process. 

828
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,320
And this is my first time doing 
that actually. 

829
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:03,240
I've never done this before. 
And the way I did this, not 

830
00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:06,680
expecting expecting it to be a 
thing, but I thought, hey, it's 

831
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:11,280
probably a thing is I grabbed a 
Thunderbolt 4 cable and 

832
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,400
connected the two Macbooks 
together on the Thunderbolt 

833
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,920
ports. 
And yeah, when you start the 

834
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,520
migration assistant on the new 
Mac as well as on the old Mac, 

835
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,280
it says connection type 
Thunderbolt and you click start.

836
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,800
First the new Mac had to 
download a new version of Mac 

837
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,160
OS, but so it rebooted, rebooted
a few times for that. 

838
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:41,320
But then I kicked start for to 
start the migration and like it 

839
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,280
took two minutes, less than two 
minutes at most. 

840
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:48,200
I don't remember, but it felt 
very quick, like I went out of 

841
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,360
the room, grabbed a drink 
expecting that I would play the 

842
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,520
switch in the living room for a 
while and then come back if you,

843
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:59,160
I don't know, 40 minutes later. 
But no, I came back with my 

844
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,040
drink and it was done transfer. 
That's. 

845
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,600
Awesome. 
That was extremely fast. 

846
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,560
It, it looks like it's using the
full speed of Thunderbolt there.

847
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:15,480
And yeah, just a few. 
Like my experience with this is,

848
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,080
it's very impressive. 
Like I turned on my new MacBook 

849
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:24,400
Pro and it was underwhelming 
almost because everything was 

850
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,000
just there. 
Just like when we're storing a 

851
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,840
time machine snapshot, like it's
just everything is there. 

852
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:36,680
There's I The one thing I 
noticed is I opened Fantastical 

853
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,480
and I had to be logging on my 
calendar accounts in there. 

854
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,080
Fantastic health is the worst 
about migration stuff. 

855
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,840
You always have to sign back in 
to everything. 

856
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:52,040
I ivory I had to log back in 
with my master accounts but 

857
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,920
that's OK because it's not purge
the cash or anything. 

858
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,400
So it just tells you hey you 
need to log in again. 

859
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:02,840
You click log in and it's done. 
Vivaldi, like Vivaldi, virtually

860
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:07,440
the same like all of my weird 
configs, extensions, user 

861
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,280
scripts I made. 
I made Chrome extensions for 

862
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,040
myself, by the way, for Vivaldi,
for my Vivaldi setup. 

863
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,440
Maybe I will talk about these 
more someday, but they're all 

864
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,360
there, like just X code, all of 
this. 

865
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,040
I was worried maybe about the 
develop ID certificates and all 

866
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,600
of that. 
No, it's all there. 

867
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,640
So yeah, it's great. 
Fantastic. 

868
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:36,000
Oh man, yeah that this reminds 
me of back in the day like 10 

869
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,760
years ago I did AII dabbled in 
iOS development and the 

870
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,680
developer certificate in X code 
was an absolute nightmare to 

871
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,160
deal with when you switch 
computers. 

872
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,240
You had to like go to App Store,
connect and download a new file 

873
00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:51,800
and it was a whole thing. 
Now you just like select your 

874
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,480
name from a drop down. 
It's great. 

875
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,600
Yeah, Yeah, I I did not even 
have to do that. 

876
00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:58,160
I guess it's. 
Ah, you didn't have to do the 

877
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:58,560
drop. 
Down. 

878
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:03,360
No, it just, I opened Xcode and 
it's just like just like it was 

879
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,120
the day before my M2 Air. 
So that's great, yeah. 

880
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,520
Why can't iPhones do that? 
Why is it still like I know an 

881
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:15,000
hour even like cabled up? 
Like do you guys have luck with 

882
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,960
iPhone transfers? 
When you do a cable to cable 

883
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,720
transfer, I feel like it ignores
the cable 2/3 of the time. 

884
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:25,120
I've never done cable transfer. 
It I did it when I went from the

885
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:30,520
16 Pro to the 17 Pro, I did it 
and it failed and I had to go 

886
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:35,960
back to the device to device 
wireless transfer which takes 

887
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,200
forever but. 
OK, Yeah. 

888
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,560
Well, anyway, I'm glad this 
computer is working out. 

889
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,720
And it is those little things 
like, yeah, where like the X 

890
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:49,680
code builds that are just like, 
oh, oh, that's like, that's like

891
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,440
not no, no, wait at all. 
That's great. 

892
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,240
Yeah. 
And just having so many tabs 

893
00:52:55,240 --> 00:53:00,480
open and I don't know, I think 
that's just the like the single,

894
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,040
the single core performance of 
the M5 in the improvement is 

895
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:10,760
just things open just tad 
quicker compared to them to just

896
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,240
a small little things. 
Yes. 

897
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:17,400
But yeah, I'm in the future now.
And here in the future, Trump is

898
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,800
still president, sorry to say. 
Yeah. 

899
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:22,400
We need to go further 
depression. 

900
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:28,040
Yep, can't be true. 
And so is Macron, unfortunately.

901
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:33,680
Well, we should get to the 
challenge and appropriately. 

902
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,360
And when I issued the challenge 
I did not know Neil Leon was 

903
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,440
laptop like I found out date a 
couple. 

904
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,680
Yeah, This is the second time 
you've issued a challenge that 

905
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,680
seems innocuous. 
And then Neilion comes back and 

906
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,640
it's like I have a whole new 
computer. 

907
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,480
The iPhone as well. 
Last year it was something 

908
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,320
about, like, doing something 
with your music, and you were 

909
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,840
like, I needed a TB of storage 
on my iPhone. 

910
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:53,640
What would I like to do? 
What? 

911
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:57,560
Was I I get it. 
I I totally get it, you need it 

912
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,000
for your work. 
But the challenge was to use 

913
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,960
your laptop in laptop mode, no 
plugging into an external 

914
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,120
monitor and you just had to use 
it for a day. 

915
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,120
And I was kind of curious if 
this would change any of our 

916
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,440
setups or settings or apps or 
anything that we used. 

917
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,520
Apparently it changed everything
for Neleon. 

918
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,880
I I'm, I'm taking full credit 
for this. 

919
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,800
For me, it actually surprisingly
didn't change much. 

920
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,160
I just sat on the couch for a 
day and worked from my laptop. 

921
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,240
The battery life on the MacBook 
Pro is insane. 

922
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:33,200
I never had to plug in at all 
the screen because I have the 16

923
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,040
inch model. 
The screen is big, beautiful, 

924
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:41,840
bright mini LED like it's nice. 
The the you know the one thing I

925
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,080
found that was kind of getting 
annoying after a couple of 

926
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,600
hours? 
The edges of the MacBook Pro 

927
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,320
when typing on it, they're kind 
of sharp. 

928
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,000
Yes. 
They're kind of sharp. 

929
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,560
They're little iPhone 12Y. 
They're they're little iPhone. 

930
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,440
12 You know what they're sharper
than? 

931
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,280
Yeah. 
Are they really? 

932
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,240
I think so I I have nothing to 
prove it but it feel like it. 

933
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,840
I think maybe because it's 
taller and. 

934
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,280
Maybe, yeah. 
But like I just, I, I felt like 

935
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,680
after a couple of hours I was 
like, oh man, that really feels 

936
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,960
like it's kind of not digging 
in, but just a little 

937
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,880
uncomfortable. 
So I know the MacBook Pro is 

938
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,320
supposed to get redesigned here 
soon. 

939
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,400
I wonder if they'll kind of 
Zedges a little bit. 

940
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:27,680
Oh, by the way, Speaking of like
the tallness of the MacBook Pro,

941
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:34,120
I've noticed that if you put the
M2 Air closed next to the 

942
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:40,040
MacBook Pro, open the 14 inch 
one and disc, they're the like 

943
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,800
the bottom part of the MacBook 
Pro is the exactly to the 

944
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:48,200
millimeter, the same height as 
the MacBook Air closed. 

945
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,560
And it feels very satisfying 
because you can pass your finger

946
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,720
over the like over the the two 
of them and it's like there's 

947
00:55:56,720 --> 00:56:00,920
no, almost no limit like. 
Which goes to show the MacBook 

948
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,080
Pro really isn't that thick 
because the if the only 

949
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,080
difference is the screen, the 
screen is very thin. 

950
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,080
Yes. 
So the difference in the height 

951
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,920
from the M2 AI and the MacBook 
the the yeah, the MacBook Air 

952
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,560
and the MacBook Pro is yeah the 
the height of the screen. 

953
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,880
Yeah, which isn't very much at 
all like that's. 

954
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:24,920
It's very thin. 
So Neil Leon, I'm kind of 

955
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:26,120
curious. 
She talked about the MacBook 

956
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,800
Pro, but you didn't really talk 
about the display Going from the

957
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,160
MacBook Air to the MacBook Pro. 
I was kind of like, did you, did

958
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:33,800
you notice a big difference 
there? 

959
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,560
Like how was this challenge for 
you? 

960
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:40,640
So I did this yesterday and it 
was only my second day using 

961
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:46,960
this new laptop. 
So yeah, one thing I did, I 

962
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:54,360
watched jet lag on this, a new 
MacBook Pro. 

963
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,520
And yes, the screen is extremely
good, very nice. 

964
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:03,720
You notice the contrast, 
especially the improved contrast

965
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:08,040
is is what jumps at me. 
It feels weird because the 

966
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:12,560
colors are so very different 
compared to my like main screen,

967
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:16,520
main big screen on my desk. 
But wait, yeah, when you're 

968
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:26,760
using it on its own, it's great 
promotion is is very nice. 

969
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:32,200
It's actually very nice. 
I do stand by my previous take 

970
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:38,000
previous takes by about it is 
that I care more about promotion

971
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:43,680
on my phone than I ever will on 
a big display or on a laptop 

972
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:48,200
display. 
I I just don't care that much 

973
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,880
about it. 
It's not that big of a jump 

974
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,200
compared to when you're using it
on the phone. 

975
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,720
It's, I agree with you like 
it's, I think it's much more 

976
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:02,520
noticeable on smaller devices, 
but I will say 240 Hertz 

977
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:06,160
external monitor, it's very 
noticeable, especially when you 

978
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,920
go from the MacBook Neo, which 
is locked at 60 Hertz and you're

979
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,160
like using that and then all of 
a sudden you plug your MacBook 

980
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:16,560
Pro into 240 Hertz and you're 
like, oh, this is smooth. 

981
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,640
I'm guessing on the big, very 
big screen makes a difference on

982
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:26,680
a 30 inch, 27 inch, yeah. 
So, yeah, it was great using it 

983
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,880
in laptop mode. 
I was it, it made me try like 

984
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,480
for real like what it would feel
like in terms of the weight 

985
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,800
difference compared to the air. 
And it's all right. 

986
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:43,280
I think it's OK. 
I I, I do feel it's way heavier,

987
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:47,760
but it's OK. 
What else? 

988
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,040
What else? 
Yeah, that's it. 

989
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,720
Yeah. 
I summing up. 

990
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,360
I'm just in the future in terms 
of display as well. 

991
00:58:54,360 --> 00:59:00,800
Now it's not that big of a jump 
like in terms of first 

992
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:05,000
impressions, but it is very good
and feels very good. 

993
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:10,640
I was not expecting it to be 
this sharp as well, like it's 

994
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:15,040
something I did not expect. 
Like it does look very sharp 

995
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,120
compared to the MacBook Air's 
display. 

996
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,680
Yeah, the, the contrast ratio, 
especially when you're using 

997
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:26,120
like all, like if you use dark 
mode and like have really black,

998
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:30,280
black stuff, the screen is very,
very noticeable. 

999
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,280
Like I have a wallpaper right 
now from the Artemis 2 mission 

1000
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:37,600
and it's just the moon and it's 
the, it's the, it's kind of, 

1001
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,880
it's the moon and then the Earth
is in the background and then 

1002
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,920
it's just black all the way 
around it. 

1003
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,240
And it is very like, It's 
gorgeous. 

1004
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:53,280
I need to try looking at some 
black stuff to to to to look at 

1005
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:57,360
the black levels. 
Yeah, I this this reminds me of 

1006
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:01,680
when I had the M1 iPad Pro as my
main computer. 

1007
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,480
And this had the mini LED as 
well. 

1008
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,360
And yeah, that was an amazing 
screen. 

1009
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,840
Nice Matt, how'd you do with 
this challenge? 

1010
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:22,200
So I did this yesterday as well 
and I worked from my couch so 

1011
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,080
like work day work day from the 
couch. 

1012
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,120
Not like fun work, just like day
job work. 

1013
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:34,200
And I didn't enjoy it. 
I mean, it was fine. 

1014
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,280
I do actually like sometimes 
stepping away from the big 

1015
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,600
monitor if I need to like focus 
on something because there's 

1016
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:42,720
just like so much stuff here 
that I can do. 

1017
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:46,360
I just bounce around a lot, I 
guess is what I've had people 

1018
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,040
say. 
But on the smaller screen, it's 

1019
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:50,920
easier for me to just kind of 
like go through my e-mail and 

1020
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,800
focus on that or whatever in a 
way that I just don't do as 

1021
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,440
effectively on the on the big 
screen. 

1022
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:02,240
So that's nice, but it's just a 
pain. 

1023
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:09,600
I do video calls all day so need
to figure out find a way to 

1024
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,320
light myself that doesn't have 
like my entire home in the 

1025
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:16,400
background And the place I would
like to work which is on the 

1026
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:20,600
couch is has a window behind me.
So I'm just like, it's the worst

1027
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,840
possible lighting for a video 
call and I can't have that 

1028
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:25,920
because I roll into meetings 
with this setup and it's like, 

1029
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,200
whoa, look at the guy with the 
big mic and everything is great 

1030
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,600
and he sounds good and all that.
And then I'm like calling in 

1031
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:37,360
like a just a monster, like a 
gremlin from from the couch. 

1032
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,560
So. 
Most people do that. 

1033
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:43,680
I, those people do that and I, 
I, I get it, it's fine. 

1034
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,760
But so it was OK. 
It was OK, but I wouldn't do it 

1035
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:49,800
all the time. 
I think maybe an hour a day 

1036
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,840
would be actually a nice thing 
for me to do to focus, but a 

1037
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,000
whole work day from the couch is
not for me. 

1038
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:00,600
See, I, I will typically like if
I really need to focus on a 

1039
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:04,360
writing, especially writing, 
editing, I, I obviously I like 

1040
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,880
having a big monitor, but if I 
really need to focus on writing 

1041
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:10,600
or doing e-mail or something 
like that, that's when I will go

1042
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:14,480
sit on the couch, just have a 
laptop or an iPad or whatever 

1043
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,160
and just bust out a bunch of 
stuff because it is much more 

1044
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,160
focused because it is a smaller 
display. 

1045
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,000
But yeah, sorry Matt. 
That's OK, yeah. 

1046
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,400
I mean, I, I'm on my personal 
computer now. 

1047
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:30,640
I have 123456. 
There are 6 windows I can see 

1048
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:34,480
some content from, so there's a 
lot that can distract me. 

1049
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:40,000
See, right now I only have two. 
I have Notion and Edge for, for 

1050
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,720
our call for Riverside. 
And that's so I don't distract 

1051
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:47,440
myself because I, I, I, if there
was anything else open, I'd be 

1052
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,080
distracting myself right now. 
You don't want to know what my 

1053
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:56,040
screen looks like right now. 
But what I do want to know is 

1054
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:57,600
what your challenge is for next 
week. 

1055
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:04,640
Oh yes, I had an an idea. 
OK, OK, so the challenge is 

1056
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:10,440
imitate one of your two Co hosts
with your tech setup. 

1057
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:16,360
I don't know if that's clear 
like pick one of the other two. 

1058
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:20,840
So in my case, I will pick 
either Matt or Chris, choose one

1059
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:25,800
of their quirks in regard to 
their setup and try to imitate 

1060
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,400
that for next week, perhaps 
let's bring something visual, 

1061
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:34,000
maybe a screenshot or something,
I don't know. 

1062
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,600
Yeah, a photo of your setup. 
I don't know, it could be 

1063
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,040
anything. 
So it could be hardware, 

1064
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:44,640
software, whatever. 
And we and we the other two try 

1065
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:49,400
to guess which Co host you tried
to imitate. 

1066
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,960
OK, I like this. 
Now remember I won't be here 

1067
01:03:52,960 --> 01:04:01,640
next week but but what we do is 
when you guys get to this text 

1068
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:07,960
me and I will have an image 
ready to go and I I'll be 

1069
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:11,240
driving to pick up the puppy. 
So I'll have Danielle send it, 

1070
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:15,880
but text me like get maybe give 
me like a 5 minute heads, heads 

1071
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:19,240
up like when you guys challenge,
transition to the challenge and 

1072
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:23,720
I, I will have a photo ready to 
go and, and we can put it in the

1073
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:25,440
submission. 
You guys can try and guess and 

1074
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,920
we can follow up in two weeks on
episode 100. 

1075
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:33,400
OK, OK, maybe you can tell us 
which one is which one it is 

1076
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:38,920
invisible ink or something. 
Yeah, or you can just text after

1077
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,320
you guys guess you can text and 
I'll have Danielle respond just.

1078
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,120
Yeah, because I'll be driving, 
so I won't, I won't be able to 

1079
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,480
send it, but yeah, All right, I 
like this. 

1080
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,920
This is this is a fun one. 
This is, I'm bummed I'm not 

1081
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,200
going to be here for it because 
that's hilarious. 

1082
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,680
All right, so this brings us to 
the end of the show. 

1083
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,560
And I have an end of the show 
question for the two of you. 

1084
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,040
And it's pretty simple, 
straightforward 1 space or 

1085
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:05,120
dinosaurs. 
This doesn't does not make 

1086
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,160
sense. 
Space or dinosaurs? 

1087
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,200
It makes absolute sense. 
Space or. 

1088
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:13,560
Dinosaurs, they go together, you
know, history, tragically. 

1089
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,440
Oh, dinosaurs are from space. 
Tragic history? 

1090
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:18,880
Yes, that dinosaurs are from 
space. 

1091
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:24,360
Space or dinosaurs? 
Space or dinosaurs? 

1092
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,600
Space. 
I'm going to say space for me 

1093
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,320
too. 
Basically you're asking future 

1094
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,280
or past. 
No, I'm asking, are you a space 

1095
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,160
nerd or a dinosaur nerd? 
OK, OK. 

1096
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:42,280
Space, space, space. 
Yeah, Like, look, I, I, I, I've 

1097
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:46,040
been. 
So when I was a kid, I was in 

1098
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,880
the Boy Scouts. 
And one of the cool things was 

1099
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,360
when we were living in Texas, we
actually got to spend the night 

1100
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:56,200
in Houston at NASA. 
And that was that was pretty 

1101
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,040
cool because we got to spend the
night in the music. 

1102
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:00,960
So like we got to see like 
Apollo capsule and all that 

1103
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,880
stuff. 
So yeah, pretty, pretty, pretty 

1104
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:05,640
cool. 
Pretty nerdy, very nice. 

1105
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,920
But that's the end of the show. 
Thank you all so much for 

1106
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,360
listening. 
Please send in some questions 

1107
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:13,640
for episode 100. 
We would love to answer 

1108
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:17,360
anything, whether it's follow up
on a challenge, a topic or 

1109
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,280
something new. 
Feel free to send it in. 

1110
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,920
Matt Neelyon, Anything you want 
to plug, promote? 

1111
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,840
I am in the process, so we're 
moving soon. 

1112
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:35,640
So I'm in the process of 
reluctantly dismantling my Lego 

1113
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:42,880
sets. 
I took down the Saturn 5 the 

1114
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:47,520
other day and I will recommend 
the method that I used, which is

1115
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:51,080
I think the universal one pick 
up. 

1116
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:54,960
No, not not a baseball bat mat. 
No. 

1117
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:59,720
Pick up the manual for the set 
and follow it in reverse. 

1118
01:06:59,960 --> 01:07:05,200
Start from the end and take a 
part in reverse so that the the 

1119
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,480
booklet. 
The manual will instruct you to 

1120
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,640
put pieces back into the 
numbered bags. 

1121
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:12,600
You can recreate the numbered 
bags. 

1122
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:18,920
I I used IKEA fridge sealed 
like, I don't know, transparent 

1123
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:20,400
IKEA bags. 
Yeah, black. 

1124
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:24,000
Bags sort of things, yeah. 
And numbered 1 and numbered 

1125
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,720
them. 
And so in the end I just have a 

1126
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:30,800
bunch of numbered bags with all 
the Lego pieces and if I want to

1127
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,120
put it back together I just have
to follow the manual normally. 

1128
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:40,720
So I will say, and I don't know 
what your, how your moving 

1129
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:44,440
situation is going to be, but 
when I moved here, we literally 

1130
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:48,560
Danielle's car. 
So I had a big U-Haul truck to 

1131
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:52,640
move my stuff, but Danielle's 
car was the designated Lego car.

1132
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:55,160
So I put things carefully in 
there. 

1133
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:58,000
And then when we were also like 
when I was moving out of my 

1134
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,960
condo, like I, we had a few 
weeks to where she would, she 

1135
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,160
would come over to my condo and 
I just put some Legos in her car

1136
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,800
and she'd bring them back here 
and put them like we just so I 

1137
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,760
didn't actually disassemble 
anything and only I only lost a 

1138
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:12,280
couple of pieces to a couple of 
set. 

1139
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:14,560
That's too much. 
Things stayed intact. 

1140
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:18,240
No, I'm, I'm literally mean like
two or three small pieces. 

1141
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,760
Too many pieces? 
No, you can't lose anything. 

1142
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,240
It's better than taking them all
apart and having to rebuild. 

1143
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:25,600
Them. 
That's what I've chosen to do 

1144
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:27,359
now. 
I will not dismantle everything,

1145
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:30,000
just the big ones. 
OK, that's smart. 

1146
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,319
The Saturn 5. 
The I still need to dismantle 

1147
01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:37,240
the Discovery shuttle. 
The lamb, have the big lamb. 

1148
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:40,760
The lunar module. 
What else? 

1149
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,080
The ISS is not big. 
It's just that big. 

1150
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,040
The ISS one is precarious. 
Danielle had that one. 

1151
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,520
It's flimsy. 
That's so the only one that 

1152
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,760
really fell apart for me was the
UCSX wing one. 

1153
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:58,760
And that one is flimsy. 
That one is crazy flimsy. 

1154
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:02,040
So I had to spend some time 
rebuilding that one that that I 

1155
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:03,279
do remember. 
That was the only one. 

1156
01:09:03,399 --> 01:09:04,920
OK, we should probably wrap up 
the show. 

1157
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:07,880
Thank you all so much for 
listening. 

1158
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:09,279
Thank you to Max Stories for 
having us. 

1159
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:12,200
Have a great day. 
Talk to you later. 

1160
01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:12,520
Bye.