1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:06,040 Welcome to Comfort Zone, a podcast all about pushing your 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,600 hosts well outside of their comfort zone. 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,080 I'm Christopher Lawley and each week I'm joined by two 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,560 incredible Co hosts. As always, we're joined by Matt 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:15,640 Burchler. Matt, how are you? 6 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,440 Chris, I'm doing great. You're lucky I don't have a 7 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,680 topic this week because I'm in the process of installing the 8 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,720 Android 17 Beta 3 and I don't have. 9 00:00:24,240 --> 00:00:26,080 I can't talk about it today. I don't have a topic, no. 10 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,720 You can't. Thank God you can't talk about 11 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,000 that. Neil Leon. 12 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,880 How excited are you that he can't talk about that today? 13 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,240 I'm excited. He just showed us to the camera 14 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,600 the squiggly line progress bar. That's exciting. 15 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,800 On Android, what if your UI was fun and not transparent? 16 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,280 Yeah. It's an idea. 17 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,960 No thanks, I'm good, I'm good. I I like transparent UI where I 18 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:50,960 can barely see it. But anyways, that is not our 19 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,520 topics today. We have a tiny topic and I think 20 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,000 one of these was a feedback thing that was put in here. 21 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,680 I I don't know, it's probably directed at NEON, considering 22 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:00,760 the subject. No, no, I put it in. 23 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,960 I put it in there. Welcome back to the Browser 24 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:07,520 podcast. Pew Pew Pew, Pew Pew. 25 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:11,600 There you go. We. 26 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,120 Don't have time for the whole thing, OK? 27 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:20,760 We don't. Yes, Vivaldi announced something 28 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,160 big, boys. It's big, big news, they have 29 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:25,840 announced. Biggest big business boy? 30 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,200 Burchelor. No, as in big news for the 31 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:36,360 browser industry. The iOS version of Vivaldi now 32 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,640 has double Decker tabs as well, just like the desktop version. 33 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,400 Yes. So now you can stack tabs on iOS 34 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,400 just as well and they stack on the double on the two level UI 35 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,800 kind of tab bar. Why it's amazing. 36 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,120 Just I just thought you should know and the world should know 37 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,320 about this. I have so many, but we don't, we 38 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,360 don't have time. I have so many questions, but we 39 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,120 we don't have time. This week on Cozy Zone, Matt's 40 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:08,520 put together a little game for us where we had to figure out 41 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:13,000 the YouTube channel based on a single thumbnail and I got some 42 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,600 good YouTube channel recommendations. 43 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,720 I am I am now following quite a few people that I weren't wasn't 44 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,240 following before. So yeah, go check it out. 45 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,840 Cozy Zone is our members only show where you get a whole extra 46 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,120 episode of us every single week. I think I'm going to to listen 47 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,560 to this one because I don't even forget recording this. 48 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,800 I don't even remember. And there is a video version of 49 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,560 this one too. So if you do listen to it, some 50 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,200 of them we have video versions for. 51 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,960 So you get the episode and your podcast player, go to the show 52 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,080 notes and there's a link in there to the video version. 53 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,040 So this one benefits from the video version. 54 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,760 I would say definitely go watch the video version. 55 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,120 Yeah, I will. As the person who edits the 56 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,600 audio or creates the audio file, I will say we'll have chapters. 57 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,760 There are 48 chapters and they all have images. 58 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,760 I have created a right mayor for myself, but it's fun. 59 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:00,520 You don't need to worry about that. 60 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,120 It's already done. When you're listening to this, 61 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:03,400 I'm already through. The 8. 62 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:05,200 Woof. Wow. 63 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,080 OK, well, indication. Yeah. 64 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,360 All right, let's get into the main show because we're we are 65 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,240 tight on time this week. So Neil, on your first up in the 66 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:15,880 dock, what what do you got for us? 67 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,920 I'm assuming it's another web browser or headphones. 68 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:27,080 Since we have time, I can talk very slowly and no get into it 69 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,800 in a smooth manner. So smart. 70 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,120 Speed is making you sound like a regular person right now. 71 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:40,720 All right, a few episodes ago I mentioned that I uninstalled 72 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:45,720 Raycast and I wasn't being truthful at the time. 73 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,920 I did not uninstall it out of because when you remember on 74 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,920 that episode, I listened back to it yesterday. 75 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,720 You asked me why or one of you asked me why and I answered 76 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,880 because it's too cringe and I stand by that. 77 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:09,400 But there was one more reason, and that additional reason is 78 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,280 that I have a new launcher that I made myself. 79 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,519 Yes, I made it myself. I'm. 80 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,160 Just kidding, I've known this. I've been using it. 81 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,880 Yes, I'm releasing my first ever Mac App as we're recording this. 82 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:30,240 Maybe it's already out, should be like officially out. 83 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:35,640 I will have made an announcement on the Dons, on the master Dons. 84 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:42,200 And so I have things to say, like I've been trying to do this 85 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:47,920 for the past few weeks. And every time I talk to you 86 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,200 about this in our group chat, I say it's been 3 weeks, It's been 87 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,680 4 weeks. And actually, because time 88 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,680 passes when you're into something and you just keep 89 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,760 iterating on something. And actually, I checked my first 90 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:06,720 commit dates from late January. So it's been actually over two 91 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,280 months. It's actually been over two 92 00:05:10,280 --> 00:05:12,600 months, but it feels like I got started two weeks ago. 93 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:19,600 So it's a launch for the Mac and it's called Tiny Start. 94 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:26,000 And this is a cute name that I think is cute because I wanted 95 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,360 the app to look cute. It's a cute, it's meant to be 96 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,080 cute on screen. It's small. 97 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:35,040 You can make it bigger because already my early testers have 98 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:40,200 told me you should allow people to make this bigger because some 99 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,440 people are old and have terrible eyesight. 100 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,720 So I hear that. And you have an option to make 101 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:50,040 it bigger. So yeah, you guys have tried it, 102 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,920 right? A little bit, yeah. 103 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,120 What do you think? So I've been using it on the 104 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,680 MacBook Neo and I've, I've been waiting for you to release this 105 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,240 so I can start working on my MacBook Neo setup video because 106 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,600 I want to include this in it because it's like the perfect 107 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,600 launcher for this computer because it's a lightweight. 108 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,000 It doesn't use up a ton of background processes or RAM or 109 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,440 anything like that. And it's super, super quick. 110 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,000 I'm sure you'll get into the specifics of everything it does, 111 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,960 but it's not just for launching apps like you could. 112 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,600 You do a few other things with it and everything it does, it is 113 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,360 very, very quick and snappy like Safari. 114 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,280 Yeah, I'm glad to hear that, that that's the main goal 115 00:06:32,280 --> 00:06:35,040 really. It's meant to be snappy. 116 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:40,000 You type results appear immediately because when I let 117 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,320 go of Ray cast and went back to spotlight, I suffered. 118 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:49,400 I suffered great gravely from spotlights. 2 main things with 119 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,200 spotlight that I really suffered from. 120 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:57,920 It's slow as heck to show results and when it shows 121 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:03,840 results, there's so many things in there unless you go and in 122 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:05,680 system settings and disable everything. 123 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,720 But then it did you know I should disable some stuff in the 124 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,320 spotlight settings on Mac OS. It will actually affect indexing 125 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,720 in other apps as well, such as Mail. 126 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:22,080 And it, it does weird things. So the goal with Tiny Start is 127 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:27,520 it lets you launch apps. It lets you open links that you 128 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,280 have saved beforehand. So you can save a bunch of your 129 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,120 of your favorite links and open them with tiny Start. 130 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,720 And you can do that with folders as well if you need to. 131 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,760 There are some folders that you often want to open in Finder 132 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,040 quickly. You can add them in tiny Start, 133 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,000 and now you can just type the name and open them very quickly. 134 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,560 And I think the major part of this is that there's an emoji 135 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,720 pika. And it's actually the how do you 136 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,200 call this a Genesis story of this app? 137 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you know. 138 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,520 In the beginning, Neilion created a Mac launcher. 139 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,760 Well, an emoji pika. In emoji. 140 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,880 So I'm saying this is the first Mac App that I'm releasing, but 141 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:12,840 it's not actually the first that I've made. 142 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:19,880 I've experimented with making apps for like actually it's been 143 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,080 years. Like I just sometimes I get 144 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,320 obsessed with something I try and then it sucks and I never 145 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,160 talk about it and never show it to anyone. 146 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:34,440 But one of those included the fact that I found, actually I 147 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:39,320 found on GitHub an abandoned emoji picker written Swift and 148 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:44,080 Swift UI. And I just thought, hey, this is 149 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,800 too bad that's sitting on there lost on GitHub. 150 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:52,080 So I forked it, I iterated on it and it that made me get familiar 151 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:57,280 with Swift and Swift UI. And at some point, and that was 152 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:03,480 in January, I was like, OK, maybe I feel comfortable enough 153 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:09,280 to do my own thing, do a like a tiny launcher that just does the 154 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:13,040 basics because I'm not like I don't have years of experience 155 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,720 doing this. So just the basics, basic 156 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,800 launcher that works well, that is fast. 157 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:23,720 And this is what I've done and now I can show it to people. 158 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,920 So yeah, it's an image picker and you can save links, save 159 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,000 folders, launch apps, and there's a bunch of tiny things 160 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,560 that you would expect from a launcher as well. 161 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:37,560 Like you can do top 2 + 2 and it shows you equals 4. 162 00:09:38,680 --> 00:09:41,000 That's that's good as well. That's covered. 163 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,080 Does it do unit conversion? Yes it does. 164 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,080 For now I have added length math. 165 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,720 And what's the third one? There's a third one I forgot 166 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:55,800 temperature. Oh, temperature. 167 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,360 Yeah, currency is one I'm I need to add and there's also another 168 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,080 one I need to add, volumes I need to add. 169 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:08,360 So now it should go up to an 11 that's that's a reference for 170 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:09,440 old people. OK. 171 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,560 Matt, Matt gets referencing more. 172 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:14,240 Thank you, thank you. Right. 173 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,120 It's it's a reference. I mean, people, I have no idea 174 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,320 what that is. I only know, OK, I don't know 175 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,480 what the aura scale of that is, but it's. 176 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:22,960 Yeah, they all ask you. I don't even is that. 177 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,240 What that means I don't. The res. 178 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,160 You don't know the res level on this. 179 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:29,840 I don't know what that means either. 180 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,360 OK, OK. Yeah, and that's it. 181 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,280 That's, that's the bit of news. I'm releasing my first ever 182 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,680 makeup and let me know if you have questions. 183 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:40,160 But I thought people will like it. 184 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,920 This is my first time actually like going further than just 185 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,400 experiment, experimenting doing an app. 186 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:55,320 So this is my first experience dealing with getting authorized 187 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:00,960 by Apple with a proper developer ID, certificate and all of that 188 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,720 and figure out how do I distribute this? 189 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,960 Do I go with the App Store? Do I distribute it myself? 190 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:11,840 Turns out if you go with the App Store route, so you need your 191 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:17,320 app to be sandboxed. That's well known, but you don't 192 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:22,120 realize until you get into it what that entails in terms of 193 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:27,120 technical limitations. And in my case, Tiny Start, it 194 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,440 allows you to launch apps, but it also allows you to quit apps. 195 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,520 That's one tiny feature that I really like about my launcher. 196 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,040 So if you search for an app and you select it, you can press CMD 197 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,520 Q directly from Tiny Start and it quits the app. 198 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:48,160 That's so useful and tiny displays a tiny like a small dot 199 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,960 next to the running the apps that are currently open on your 200 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,960 Mac, just like the dock. I took inspiration from the dock 201 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,520 and so you know if you need to know if you are able to quit an 202 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,280 app or not. And this feature is so hard to 203 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,760 make it work with a sandboxed app. 204 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:09,120 There are ways, but like I struggled with it and I gave up. 205 00:12:09,560 --> 00:12:13,320 I was like, this is not worth, this is not worth rewriting this 206 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:18,080 entire part of the app just so I can ship it in the App Store and 207 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:23,920 so Apple can take a bigger percentage from the price that 208 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:28,440 I'm going to set it for. Yeah, this is definitely a thing 209 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,840 for me. The sandbox is usually fine for 210 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,000 the sorts of apps that I've built, but whenever I make like 211 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,120 a personal app that I'm never gonna release externally, I 212 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:42,640 immediately go into Xcode and just trash app sandbox, go away. 213 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,280 Everything just works. If you take, maybe turn that 214 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,080 off. It just works. 215 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,120 Remember, wasn't Apple trying to do the whole thing where they 216 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,040 lessened the sandbox requirements for Mac apps? 217 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,160 Like didn't like panic get to release some stuff? 218 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,560 Or or maybe it was like BB Edit got to like be in the Mac App 219 00:13:00,560 --> 00:13:03,400 Store because they lessened their sandbox control and it 220 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,440 seemed like they were going to give up and then turns out they 221 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,640 never did. Yeah, I mean, they, they didn't 222 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,840 get rid of the sandbox control, but you, you can do things. 223 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,360 You just have to request the permissions and you have to use 224 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,520 them the right way. And it's basically, I mean, 225 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,800 honestly, I don't think it's a bad thing necessarily. 226 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,200 I don't think people need to buy their things from the App Store 227 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,760 anyway. I love apps outside the App 228 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,680 Store. But yeah, I don't know, it's OK. 229 00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:30,560 But it is just, if you're building it for yourself, just 230 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,080 to get rid of the headaches. And with the launcher like 231 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,680 yours, you're interacting with the system in like ways so. 232 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,800 Yeah, but I was surprised building this app to see that 233 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:46,880 it's not like it's not invasive to do a launcher, Like it's not 234 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,640 that invasive on the system to do a launcher because especially 235 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,240 if you're doing something like lightweight like this that's 236 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,560 focused on, this is the tagline of the app focused on the 237 00:13:56,560 --> 00:14:00,360 essentials, that's just focused on launching apps, opening 238 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,120 links. It's it's OK. 239 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:06,840 It's just indexing folders, some some specific folders for your 240 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,920 apps. There's only one system 241 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,320 permission needed by the app and that's the accessibility 242 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,920 permission. This is for the emoji picker. 243 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,760 So my emoji picker. So this is different from the 244 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,280 one I found on GitHub a while ago. 245 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,800 So this is an emoji picker that's built into tiny start. 246 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,680 This is the emoji picker is my favorite thing about Raycast, so 247 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,160 I really wanted my own launcher to have one as well. 248 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:43,880 And just like Raycast, I wanted it to be fast, easy to search 249 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,760 for emojis with a bunch of different aliases so it's not as 250 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:51,600 strict as Apple's default emoji picker with keywords. 251 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:57,200 For this one, I made sure that my the sources that I fetched to 252 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:02,560 build the emoji database, there are there are multiple ones like 253 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:07,160 I'm fetching from sources in English in as well as a bunch of 254 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,640 languages out-of-the-box. So even though like the app is 255 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:16,560 not localized, but the image you can search for emojis in your 256 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,040 language. It fits among those that I 257 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,160 included. I included like about 8:00 or 258 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,040 8:00 or 9:00. So I can I can search for emojis 259 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:29,440 in French, which is really nice. But yeah, you need the access of 260 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,840 the permission because you can simply press enter when you're 261 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:38,880 in a text field to insert the emoji, and that's really nice. 262 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,280 I love the emoji picker, it's really good. 263 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,120 Thanks, yes I really like it as well. 264 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,920 Yeah, it's fast too. Like you can just you hit. 265 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:54,800 So like I have it set up just like how I had raycast set up so 266 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,520 I can hit hyper key. Wait, no, no, I'm sorry. 267 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:58,760 No, I take that back. I'm sorry. 268 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,360 I have. It's just the command control 269 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,040 space. Command control space. 270 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:07,320 Hit that and I had to think about that through for a second, 271 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,840 but command control space. And then I just start typing 272 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,040 whatever emoji I want and it's instant. 273 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:16,960 It's so quick. Yeah, and I learned some quirk 274 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,200 about this. So when you install tiny start, 275 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,040 the default, there are two default hot keys that are set 276 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,200 for you. Option space is the one to just 277 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,040 invoke the launcher and control command space, like you said, is 278 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,600 the one for the emoji picker. And The funny thing is control 279 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,320 command space. So that's Apple's default 280 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,000 keyboard shortcut to invoke their emoji picker. 281 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:46,200 And if you write an app and assign a keyboard like look for 282 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,240 the observe that keyboard shortcut to invoke your own 283 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,320 emoji picker. It just overrides Apple's one. 284 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,440 Which is nice. Yeah, which means you can just 285 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,120 install it. And if you're used to the 286 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,320 default image picker shortcut, you don't have to do anything. 287 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,200 It works right away. And that's not the case with 288 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:10,040 Command Space for Spotlight. Yeah, so that's why Command 289 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,880 Space is not my default keyboard shortcut because it will not 290 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:18,000 override it. If you do Command Space in Tiny 291 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,960 Start and you didn't disable Command space for Spotlight, 292 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,000 both will appear on screen at the same time. 293 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,040 You can still use Command Space, but you will have to disable 294 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,120 command space for the spotlight in your settings first. 295 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,720 That that's what I'm doing. I've I've disabled regular 296 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,480 spotlight keyboard shortcut and I'm using tiny start as command 297 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,480 space. So you you are the spotlight on 298 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,160 on the MacBook Neo on. The spotlight I was, I was going 299 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,920 to ask for, I guess. Chris, I have your answer. 300 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,960 I I use option Space. I've used it for Tiny Start, 301 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,120 Raycast, Alfred, Quicksilver. Wow. 302 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,560 For 20 years I've used it, but I have never unassigned spotlight 303 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,160 from Command Space. So it's still always there. 304 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,000 Yeah, I never use it, but it's always there. 305 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:13,000 I've done that since using Launch bar Alfred like all of 306 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,720 those like. But do you? 307 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,560 Ever since my Spotlight, what's I've never, I, I don't think 308 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,400 I've ever really used Spotlight because when I got into the Mac, 309 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:27,160 there was launch bar at Alfred, which were both faster and had 310 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,400 extensions and more things you can do with them. 311 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,560 And then Raycast became a thing. And then. 312 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,480 And yeah, the raycast became a thing. 313 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,760 And then. Now I have tiny start on the 314 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,360 MacBook Neo. Oh my God. 315 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,440 OK. So I've never been a big 316 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,640 spotlight person like I, I take that back. 317 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,040 The first Mac I ever used, which was not my personal Mac, it was 318 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,040 assigned to me in in my film school program that I used 319 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,680 Spotlight on because I couldn't install third party utilities. 320 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,840 So I did use Spotlight for that, and I did use Spotlight over the 321 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:06,160 Tahoe beta just to see how it was, and it's Neil Leon. 322 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,400 First, I would like to congratulate you and be in my 323 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,840 circle of developers that will now get text messages when I 324 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,240 want feature requests. But instead of sending you a 325 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,160 text message for this first feature request, I will just ask 326 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,520 right here on the air because I know you're going to get it. 327 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,600 I know people are going to ask you for it. 328 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,520 So I figure I will just give you a chance to say. 329 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,040 I got to go, sorry. Oh, OK. 330 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:32,760 All right, clipboard history. Is it possible? 331 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,600 Will we see it? A tiny start? 332 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,400 Do you want to give people an answer? 333 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,240 So yes, I have. So I put up a website for like a 334 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,800 land. How do you call this a landing 335 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,080 page? A landing page. 336 00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:46,880 Yeah, Tiny, start that app if you want, by the way, if you 337 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,320 want to buy the app. OK, it's definitely out. 338 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:54,880 Yeah, but I, I mean, I want yes, by the time this is this episode 339 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,280 is out, I I think yeah, I will, I will call it released. 340 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,240 But even right now as we're recording, the shop is already 341 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:02,560 open. You can already buy it. 342 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,800 So on Tinystar dot app I have a frequently asked questions 343 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,040 section and I have addressed your request Chris. 344 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,440 Oh, OK, I I'm actually looking at it right now and it says for 345 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,200 now Tiny Star is focused on apps, links and emojis and does 346 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,440 not include clipboard management features. 347 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,440 In my opinion, clipboard management is often better 348 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,560 handled by a dedicated app. Yeah, my favorite ones over the 349 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,720 years have been Payspot. And how do you pronounce that 350 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:30,800 Mackie? Mackie. 351 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,440 Yeah, Mackie. OK, so. 352 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,480 I did a dramatic reading there. I hope that. 353 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,360 I hope I did you justice. Yes, this is Yeah, this is my 354 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:41,320 answer for now. I I think a lot of people are 355 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:42,880 going to ask. This is why I included. 356 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,440 This, that, this, This is why I said this on the air. 357 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,320 Yeah, I know you're you're doing well. 358 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,440 You money's in the mail, right? Yeah, I mean, you got the app 359 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:53,760 for free. You're paid like this. 360 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,280 I'm still going to buy the app. In fact, I'm going to do it 361 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:58,960 right now. Oh, OK, nice. 362 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,280 Thank you. I appreciate you. 363 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:08,640 Yeah, I think this would be out of scope for what Tiny start is 364 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,600 meant to be. It's meant to be like a launcher 365 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,160 that feels fast and that's focused on what's essential. 366 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:22,240 And yes, emojis are essential, but I think going down that 367 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:27,160 route where we, we add entire app SEC like app categories to 368 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:33,200 the launcher, this may get overwhelming very quickly. 369 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,360 At at least for me, maybe not for the users, but at least for 370 00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:41,400 me, this is my first Mac App that I tend to maintain and make 371 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,080 sure it works well for people who buy it and run it. 372 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,840 And so I have for now. That's why it says for now in 373 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,960 FAQ, I'm not going to add 1 because if I do add one right 374 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,920 now, it will be, it will not have as many features as you 375 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,760 would expect from a keyboard manager. 376 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:04,960 It would be very basic and I'm not sure that would fit well 377 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:06,960 with the app. So yeah. 378 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,840 I think that's fair as well. Yeah, we will talk about this 379 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:15,240 later in the episode, but we talked about this, I think 380 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,960 briefly when you started discussing it, that this is kind 381 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:22,080 of like recently at 1 password increased their price and they 382 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,680 were like, look at all the value we added, Look at all these 383 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,800 features we added. And you were like, I use none of 384 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,920 those. Those bring me 0 value. 385 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:31,080 What I want is a simple password manager. 386 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:38,480 And I think in Raycast is a power feat, is a power user app 387 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,000 that can just launch things for you. 388 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,320 But it also has a clipboard manager, has emojis, has 389 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,920 extensions, has like a full third party store. 390 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:47,160 Like it's, it's crazy. It's an everything app. 391 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:49,600 It is free. So that's I guess a little 392 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,080 different. But like the tiny start is just 393 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,000 like, I will be your app launcher, I'll be your emoji 394 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,080 picker. That's a nice bonus. 395 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,960 But like I will let you launch things quickly if that's all you 396 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,560 use these things for. This is a lighter weight cuter 397 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,760 version of Raycast. Yeah, you have a very different 398 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,480 aesthetic from a Raycast as well. 399 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,160 The website is very delightful. I was like, oh, this is nice. 400 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,840 Then I Scroll down and the window escapes the normal body 401 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,680 and I'm like, oh she did it, that's cool, that's nice. 402 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,960 I still have some CSS in me, yeah. 403 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,360 Yeah, assuming that's not a mistake, but it's an golden. 404 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:32,000 No, it's not touch at all. Of course, yes. 405 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,960 But now it's super cool. And I just wanted to say as 406 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,560 someone who has been on this Mac development journey for a little 407 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,960 over a year as well, it has been very cool to see you go through 408 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,040 a lot of the same feelings. And like the excitement that I 409 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,080 recognized from like once it starts to work, it is it's 410 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,080 intoxicating. It's it's super, super cool. 411 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,400 So yeah, huge Congrats for getting this done and making 412 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:59,440 something so cool for your not first Mac App, but first big 413 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,040 public one. Yeah. 414 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:05,480 Thank you. And yes, if you want to know, 415 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:11,440 I'm pricing this at €5. So sorry, US people, it's in 416 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,880 euros. But you, your payment method 417 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,520 will still work. Your payment method is 418 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,840 compatible with EUR. So yeah, it's €5. 419 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:29,760 And it's one time purchase like obviously because I think if I 420 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:34,280 stop maintaining this in one year or before then it will 421 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,680 still be working. This is something that you can 422 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:43,480 get once and does not require necessarily that I keep going, 423 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,600 keep working on it constantly. However, as a bonus, you get 424 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,320 free updates. That means I will keep updating 425 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,520 this in the future, including in the near future and probably 426 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,480 later as well. And those updates you will get 427 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,800 for free. Nice. 428 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,280 And no free trial, but if you're not satisfied? 429 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,440 5 bucks, like 5 bucks isn't that. 430 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,880 It's like it's not gonna have just just this 5 bucks. 431 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,560 It would also have meant that I needed to make a specific free 432 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,760 trial version of the app and it's annoying and yeah, yeah. 433 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,320 Yeah, you're running into why my Mac apps are on the Mac App 434 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,000 Store. Because I was like, now I need 435 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,200 to do licenses and I need to. Go. 436 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,680 This is this is complexity and yeah, don't need to get into it, 437 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,960 but this is one of the reasons why I actually have more respect 438 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,520 for the App Store now than I did like 2 years ago. 439 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,480 There is some value it. Definitely. 440 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:41,920 It handles a lot of things like I had to set up update, app 441 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,400 updates, delivery. Fortunately, there's a very 442 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,840 popular framework that a lot of Mac developers use that's called 443 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,840 Sparkle. And I set that up that was 444 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,840 pretty, fairly, fairly easy, although I had to run my head 445 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,120 around it around it for the first few hours. 446 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,920 I did not get how this was supposed to work because this is 447 00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:06,320 a pretty secure thing. So it needs you to to set up 448 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,200 keys so that your updates are always verified and there's no 449 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,800 man in the middle attacks when your app fetches updates. 450 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:19,800 So it it's very well made, but I, I had to set this up so it 451 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,480 that was a whole rabbit hole just to get updates to work. 452 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,480 So I can see the value in just getting it into the App Store 453 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,400 and the App Store handles updates for you. 454 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,120 But yeah. Nice, nice. 455 00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:36,120 Well, congratulations. Thank you. 456 00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:40,520 I I'm very excited for you and I have already purchased it the 457 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,760 proper way so. Thank you. 458 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,280 Yes. Yeah, well, I intend to pirate 459 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,080 it so. You do you. 460 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,320 Find a way, yeah. I guess I'm a better person than 461 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,360 Matt. These selfish developers, I tell 462 00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:59,240 you. Asking for $5 or €5 EUR. 463 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,040 I don't know, I just here's freedom, money. 464 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,000 It's a euro actually right now I don't even know. 465 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,480 One reason as well is that I picked to price it in euros and 466 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,480 not in U.S. dollars is because the that's fluctuating a lot 467 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,520 that. Everything's fluctuating. 468 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,000 So I will keep it steady with my Euros. 469 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,240 Yeah, also makes it the European alternative for folks. 470 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,160 Oh, that's right. That should that's OK. 471 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:26,840 Let me. That that needs to be on the 472 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,760 website. Let me pivot my entire marketing 473 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,680 right now. The European spotlight? 474 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,320 Yes, the European. Raycast. 475 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,280 No, it isn't Raycast. Nah, it doesn't matter anyway. 476 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,920 All right. Anything else on that? 477 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,640 That's it. Just if you have ideas, 478 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,520 feedback, just write to me on Mastodon or over e-mail. 479 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,040 I will be happy to keep working on this. 480 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,880 OK. All right. 481 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,000 Well, I have something new for the two of you. 482 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,680 I have a brand new monitor and would either of you like to take 483 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,360 a guess at what monitor I have because it's. 484 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,720 Like a computer monitor. Yeah, Computer monitor. 485 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,360 Oh wow, you went all in on something. 486 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,520 Maybe you know. You know me. 487 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,400 Should I guess I'll just read what it's written in other Yeah. 488 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,800 I was hoping you wouldn't say it like that so I have dramatic 489 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,040 reading. Asus ROG Republic of gamers 490 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:28,360 swift 32H4K OLED. Look guys, I couldn't do it. 491 00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:31,840 I've been waiting for a studio Display update for years now. 492 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,280 I have been like look mini LED, OLED like give me something. 493 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,480 And then the studio display update came out and for the 494 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:48,040 Studio Display XDR with nano texture it is $3600 for a 27 495 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:53,680 inch monitor that is mini LED and that is way too much money. 496 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,400 I will get into it in a little bit, but you can buy three of 497 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,880 these monitors that I bought for one of those XDR nano texture 498 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,880 displays. So and the other thing is my 499 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,680 needs have changed. I need HDMIN and I wanted OLED. 500 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,360 I was like mini LED's fine, but I really want OLED and just 501 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:19,200 about every single one of my monitors displays TV's in my 502 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,880 house now are is OLED. So I'm just like, I really 503 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,880 wanted this. So let's get into some specifics 504 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,600 of this monitor. First off, it is a 240 Hertz 505 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:33,440 monitor. A 240 Hertz on Mac OS is wild I. 506 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,880 Was about to say like this. This is an insane number. 507 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,720 Matt isn't yours 240 Hertz? Yes, I believe I'm looking at 508 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,800 the specs now. I believe we have the same 509 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,960 panel, just different manufacturers. 510 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,440 But yeah. So, and the reason why I went 511 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,160 with this one, John Voorhees told me about this one and the 512 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,160 reason why I went with this one is it was on sale and I got it 513 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,880 for a lot cheaper than what it normally is. 514 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,920 So that's that's. Can I just say this is the most 515 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,480 gamer thing I've ever seen? I'm going to get to it. 516 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,960 I'm going to get to it. I have fixed all the gamery. 517 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,160 I fixed the gamery. I have not googled it yet. 518 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,320 I'm worried. But let's get into the specifics 519 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,800 of the monitor first. It is 240 Hertz and a Mac OS 520 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,760 that is wild. Like scrolling is smooth. 521 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,640 But you know what's great? The final cut timeline, because 522 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,040 I have the feature enabled where the scroll bar goes 523 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,240 automatically. So when I'm editing comfort 524 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,560 Zone, I just let it play and like the scroll bar goes. 525 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:38,320 And before on the Studio Display on 60 Hertz, it was choppy this. 526 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,160 Is what it looks like. Hang on, I'm going to get to 527 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,840 that. I'm going to get to that. 528 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,320 I fixed it. I have fixed it. 529 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,680 I have fixed it so it doesn't look like. 530 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,320 That I'm just saying I can look a lot less gamery than this and 531 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:51,760 I got. It OK, all right, let's just get 532 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,400 to it now, because these two aren't going to let it go. 533 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,560 They're they're ruining my topic. 534 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,560 It's it's ruined. OK, so the monitor stand that 535 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,520 comes with this thing is already like no, it's already no. 536 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,360 I bought a visa monitor stand that mounts to my desk. 537 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,120 I put a link to it in the show notes. 538 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,680 It's the call. It's the monitor arm. 539 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,600 It's just a pole. So the monitors do it, a pole 540 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,680 dance and it's just right on there. 541 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,280 It's just a single pole goes straight up and then I have my 542 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,600 monitor stand right in front of it. 543 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,360 So I don't even see the monitor pole. 544 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,720 I don't even see it. But the monitor stand is gone. 545 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,600 Now this thing has a bunch bunch of RGB lights on it. 546 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,320 The monitor does. You can go into the settings and 547 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,560 you can turn them all off. Everything is turned off. 548 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,240 There is no RGB coming from this thing whatsoever. 549 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,680 There's a front facing logo. It is. 550 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,920 It is. Covered, it is covered up with 551 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,200 black tape with black, but that you could turn off the logo 552 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,960 light. You can turn off that logo 553 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,960 light. That's a light so you but like 554 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,040 it's 'cause it's an RGB light, like you could turn so there's 555 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,480 RGB all over the place. You can turn it all off and it's 556 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,240 really easy. It's not that big of a deal. 557 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,280 OK, I'm looking. At the Amazon listing and below 558 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,880 the below the stand, there's like it looks like it's 559 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,240 projecting the logo onto the desk as well. 560 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,600 Is that a thing that Stan does? Yes. 561 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:10,560 Yes. It does. 562 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,920 It does, yeah. Again, another thing that is 563 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,080 turned off. You could turn all of this stuff 564 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,120 off, but oh boy does this thing go hardcore. 565 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,560 I'm a 360 no scope bro. Like I'm I'm Fortnite and for my 566 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:27,240 work, yeah. No, that's what this monitor is. 567 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,400 You could turn all of that off. Thank God you could, because if 568 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,080 you couldn't have turned that off, this monitor would have 569 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,880 already been sent back already. But but but John told me like 570 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,600 before I even because I was talking to him about it and he 571 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,200 was like, yeah, no, you could turn all this off. 572 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,400 So this is the 32 inch version of the one Federico has. 573 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:50,400 This is the same 1 John has. It is Dolby Vision OLED and the 574 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,400 panel is gorgeous. So Matt, it sounds like you and 575 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,480 I have the same panel. So yours is Dolby Vision. 576 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,280 It's technically 31 1/2 inch monitor, but let's just round up 577 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:05,560 to 32 inches. Having that extra space is 578 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,880 great. Like I really like that. 579 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:13,560 I'm using the display port out into my Cal Digit TS-5 Plus hub. 580 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,920 I did a bunch of research. Basically display port is the 581 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,440 way to go. It's the best highest quality 582 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,400 while getting the highest refresh rate. 583 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,760 It's it's the best way to go. So and I can go right into the 584 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,200 display port in the Cal digit hub. 585 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,520 So that gets me an extra Thunderbolt spot back on my Cal 586 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,640 digit hub. So that's kind of nice OLED 587 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,760 panel looks beautiful. It's great for editing photos 588 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,520 and videos. But here's the thing I was 589 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,800 really hung up on that really took a lot for me to get over. 590 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:50,120 It is 4K at 32 inches, which is not Apple Retina PPI pixels per 591 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,960 inch. And I can tell the difference 592 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,280 from going from the Studio display to this. 593 00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,600 I can see there is a difference and it's going to pain me to say 594 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:02,880 it's really not that big of a deal. 595 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:04,800 Chris, welcome to the resistance. 596 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,760 Oh, there you go. So I set the, so I went into 597 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,920 your system settings display and I set the, you know, you have 598 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,000 like the five options of the the what you monitor resolution. 599 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:18,199 I set it to the middle one by default. 600 00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:20,880 It was set to the largest one and everything was massive. 601 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,719 And I was like, Oh my God, if I can't change this, I'm sending 602 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,800 this thing back. It was everything was massive. 603 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,400 It felt like I had a 24 inch monitor on a 32 inch. 604 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,639 Like it was way too bad. I set it to the middle one and 605 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:34,639 it's perfect. It's like everything's the right 606 00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,040 Mac OS size. It's fine. 607 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,199 This is I was I was curious. I use the one all the way on the 608 00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:46,320 left which is the perfect pixel. 1080P to 4K and it makes it 609 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,120 extremely crisp. However it does, so you use the 610 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,960 one where everything is super. Big. 611 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,199 Yeah, the UI is pretty big. OK interesting. 612 00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:59,560 So I landed on the one in the middle because I just couldn't 613 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,960 go with all the UI stuff being that big. 614 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,840 Yeah, no, I get that. I wonder if now I'm thinking 615 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,360 about this, can I go into accessibility and shrink 616 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,480 everything but then have everything that's technically 617 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,840 the 4X resolution so everything is more retina ish? 618 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,800 It seems like you might have to play. 619 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:18,840 Around with what you could help with. 620 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,440 Interesting. All right, I'll play around with 621 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,680 that. But you know what? 622 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,360 It's it's fine. It looks great. 623 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,160 Like everything is is is fine. It looks great. 624 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,520 I'm very happy with this. I've been editing videos on it. 625 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,360 Like I said, the timeline is super smooth at 240 Hertz. 626 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:42,080 It's also beautiful quality for editing photos and videos. 627 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,520 It's great for writing text too, I guess. 628 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,760 Yeah. That cursor moves so smooth, 629 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,920 yeah. So smooth, so smooth. 630 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,920 The blinking light of the of the insertion point light or the, 631 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,880 yeah, whatever that's called beautiful. 632 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,640 And then dark mode looks really good on this too. 633 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,640 Yeah, really good. Dark mode looks really good. 634 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:12,360 But I mentioned I needed HDMI, so I am moving my PS-5 into here 635 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,680 because I just, you know, sometimes Danielle's playing the 636 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,520 Xbox or she's using the TV and I want to play a game. 637 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,480 So I'm going to move my PS-5, which as of this morning just 638 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,480 got way more valuable. I was literally wondering if I 639 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,480 could sell my PS-5 for the same price I paid for it because I 640 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,240 bought it like a couple months after it came out. 641 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,400 Why did it get more valuable? Oh, you didn't see Sony raised 642 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,360 the price of the PS-5 starting April 2nd. 643 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,800 It's the digital. That's one of my predictions for 644 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,400 the year. The digital version is like 600 645 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,000 bucks now or something like or like I don't right. 646 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,840 It's it's gone up. It's like it was 400 bucks 647 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,040 originally and it's like I don't remember. 648 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,520 It's gone up quite a bit. Yeah, no, I think US and some 649 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,240 markets, I don't know if it's globally. 650 00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:02,280 I know it was US and some markets, but yeah, like the PS-5 651 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,520 Pro is like 850 bucks now it's like, and like what games 652 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,680 actually support the PS-5 Pro? Like it's that's the whole 653 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,200 thing. But anyways, I have the PS-5 654 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,880 digital only version, so I'm gonna move it in here. 655 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,240 I'm gonna 3D print a little stand and mount it underneath my 656 00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:21,120 desk or maybe mount it to the wall. 657 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,080 I haven't decided 'cause it's the digital only version, so I 658 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,520 don't have to worry about putting CDs in it. 659 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:34,640 So cool. And you know, I, I, I, I just 660 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,560 want a little place where I can play games. 661 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,760 I'm excited about this. The only thing I need to figure 662 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,960 out is how to hook up my studio monitors so that like my big KRK 663 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,200 monitors, so I can use those when playing games. 664 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,320 But those require an audio interface, so I don't think 665 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,080 that'll work, right. So I might just be using 666 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:52,840 headphones, which isn't that big of a deal. 667 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,800 Gotcha, yeah that's the one thing I have a play. 668 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,680 I have my PS-5 plugged into my monitor as well, but I have not 669 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,840 figured out a good audio solution so I use headphones 670 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,280 when I. Yeah, I have a feeling I'm going 671 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,440 to be a headphones. So you just plug headphones into 672 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:06,960 the controller and just call it a day? 673 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,600 Yeah, I think that's what I'm going. 674 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:13,960 To be if you guys need recommendations for ear pads for 675 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,360 headphones, I have many of those. 676 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,040 For now, I will probably just use my podcasting headphones and 677 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,480 the until I, I find something that I, I, because these are 678 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,240 really comfortable. I really like these headphones. 679 00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:28,520 They're very comfy. But yeah. 680 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,200 And then like I said, I got a monitor arm, so I'm not using 681 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,120 the Gamery gamer stand. All the LED light stuff comes 682 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:35,800 turns off, all the RGB turns off. 683 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,480 So yeah. But yeah, overall I'm really 684 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,320 happy with this monitor. I'm glad I got a 32 inch 685 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:43,960 monitor. How you just get a little bit 686 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,400 more space with everything. Like I said, I did have to 687 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,800 change the display stuff to really feel like I actually got 688 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,240 more display stuff but or just space to work at. 689 00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:55,240 But yeah, pretty, pretty happy with it overall. 690 00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:58,120 Can you tell me again the numbers of the virtual 691 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,200 resolution that? You. 692 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,120 I don't remember what it is off the top of my head and I'm not 693 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,240 sitting at it, but it's like 3000 something by something 694 00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:08,400 something something. So. 695 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,480 The the setting you set in the middle is that. 696 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,800 It is the middle, so there's five options and I pick 697 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,680 literally the third one, the middle one. 698 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,600 Yep, it's 3008 by 1692. Yeah. 699 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,720 Plastic resolution. That classic resolution, it 700 00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:24,160 looks fine. It looks fine. 701 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,400 I'm also 35, so maybe it doesn't look fine and my eyes are aging, 702 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:33,120 but who knows? Yeah, but yeah, I'm disappointed 703 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:39,280 that the new studio display is is expensive as it is and it's a 704 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:44,800 20 only a 27 inch monitor. And I just, I couldn't justify 705 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,720 spending that kind of money on that display. 706 00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:49,800 It looks gorgeous. All the reviews I've seen 707 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,160 everyone that I know that has one, I've talked to a few people 708 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,560 that do have them. They love it, but I'm just like, 709 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,760 I can't, I can't justify spending that kind of money on 710 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,120 on on that monitor when there are other options and especially 711 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,800 because I really need HDMI in and Apple refused to acknowledge 712 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,400 his device outside of the Apple ecosystem exists. 713 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,640 Even though they have computers which I am sitting at one of 714 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:15,600 them right now has HDMI on it. This this MacBook Pro has HDMI 715 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,480 on it, but they don't make a monitor that I could plug into 716 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,560 the side of that into the HDMI port and plug into that along 717 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,120 with the Mac Studio and doesn't. No, I don't think the Mac mini 718 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,960 has HDMI. The Mac Studio has HDMI, but the 719 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,960 Mac mini doesn't. But yeah. 720 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,200 Well, I'm glad you made the jump. 721 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,680 I was a little nervous you were asking about this a few weeks 722 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,520 ago and I was a little nervous to give it a full throated 723 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,200 recommendation because I was worried about you dropping from 724 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,120 5K to 4K and increasing the screen size. 725 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,920 So the pixel density was going to be even worse. 726 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,040 So I'm glad that seems to be OK with you. 727 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,720 But like OLED is great, especially if you're not doing 728 00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:55,960 computer stuff entirely. If you're watching videos and 729 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,920 playing games on it, that helps. The HDR on this is really nice. 730 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:03,600 It doesn't look like yours has it, but it I would love to show 731 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,920 you this actually one day. On mine you can hit a button on 732 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,920 the back and it switches it to 1080P output, but the refresh 733 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,760 rate goes to 480, 480 Hertz and that is you've never seen 734 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,200 anything like that it looks. That is wild. 735 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:21,160 It's blurry as heck, but it is. It's a, it's a cool little 736 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,280 thing, but yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad you seem to like it so 737 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:25,000 far. This is great. 738 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,440 Yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it's a good monitor. 739 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,880 Like I said, I talked to John about it and the reason why I 740 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,280 went with this one over the one you had, Matt, was this one was 741 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,360 on sale. That's. 742 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,960 Why I got this one? This one was on sale I think I 743 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,760 think literally was on sale this morning too again and it's like 744 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,240 it was like 900 bucks on sale. It's like regularly like 1200, 745 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,160 but again, the regular price, you could buy three of those for 746 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,320 the same price as the XDR Nano texture one that I was looking 747 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,120 at, so. Yep, yeah. 748 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,320 All right. Any anything on this or should 749 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,120 we get in the challenge? Challenge. 750 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,800 All right, challenge, I guess. Challenge And Matt, it was 751 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,040 yours. What'd you got for us? 752 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:10,480 It was my challenge and my challenge was if you bought a 753 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,760 brand new Mac and could only install 3 apps on it that didn't 754 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,880 come pre installed, what would you do? 755 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,680 This is pretty tight. You have to make some hard 756 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:25,520 choices if you do this. So I went for efficiency. 757 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,440 I went for the most bang for your buck. 758 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,680 Now Neilion, I didn't know you're going to announce your 759 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,680 app today. So my first app is Raycast. 760 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,960 Treason. I think OK, I'm going to give 761 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,320 two versions of this. You're allowed to say raycast. 762 00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:54,280 I chose Raycast because App Launcher that's fast, Emoji 763 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,760 picker that's fast, and clipboard manager that's good. 764 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,760 So it gets me those 3 core things that I literally cannot 765 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:05,160 use a Mac without. The second app is Mind Stream 766 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:11,320 because I cannot live with Apple Mail and I cannot do my e-mail 767 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,800 from the Gmail web interface. I need an app to do it so. 768 00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:19,680 Try having an IMAP address. I left that life behind. 769 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,080 And then there's Clean Shot. I do so many screenshots, so 770 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,880 many screen recordings. I tried, I recently got an 771 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,360 upgraded, I upgraded my work Mac. 772 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:34,200 I got a new Mac after five years and I tried not using Cleanshot 773 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,920 and I wanted to scream. So I need a really nice 774 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,520 screenshot app. I use, I use it so often and 775 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,480 Apple's is just not good enough for me. 776 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,480 So Cleanshot would be my third app. 777 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,240 I need to buy another license a clean shot because I only have 778 00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:53,960 one and it is and like I need one for the MacBook Neo now 779 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,680 because I'm I'm running into the same thing. 780 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,680 I genuinely just did that as well. 781 00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,760 I had to get a third license because I need that in the Neo 782 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,560 as well. Yeah, even though I do videos 783 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,880 for those guys anyway. Wow, I would be emailing I. 784 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,440 Didn't ask. I didn't ask. 785 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,800 I you know, it's ethics and all that stuff. 786 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:19,880 Out. Anyway, if if I had tiny tiny 787 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,680 launch tiny. Wow, are you going to take this 788 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:24,680 new Leon? My brain. 789 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,600 My brain broke. Wow. 790 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,840 He already gave the money for it so. 791 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:35,000 If I swapped in tiny start for raycast, I think my 2 apps would 792 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:40,160 be Clean Shot and Pastebot. Yeah, you need to keep on my 793 00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:42,160 e-mail. Yeah, I can't. 794 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,760 I literally cannot use the. Computer. 795 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,040 I mean, you could always use the Spotlight clipboard manager. 796 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:51,640 Don't punish me. It's I will need to talk about 797 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,720 this. That's all I thought about. 798 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,360 Spotlight, we don't have time today. 799 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,200 Yes, we don't have time today. I have fun. 800 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,960 You got to keep it tight. Yes, OK. 801 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,240 So that's it for me. I think that's that would get 802 00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:03,160 me. I can't do app development. 803 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,440 I can't like I don't know what code editor I'm using at this 804 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:07,440 point. Text edit. 805 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:12,360 Jesus, why do you hate yourself? It might be I'd have problems, 806 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,280 but that's what I could do with like other stuff. 807 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,080 There's code in the browser. There you go. 808 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,760 There are ways. Yeah. 809 00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:24,000 All right. Chris, what, what would you do? 810 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,440 I'm really curious about yours because. 811 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,240 So I, I, I did 2 lists just because there there's the 812 00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:32,240 realistic one where I have to be able to get my work done. 813 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,960 So there's Final Cut, Pixelmator Pro and Hush. 814 00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:38,760 That's pretty boring. But like, I need those. 815 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,000 I need those to get my work done. 816 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,120 And Hush makes me really nervous because it hasn't been updated 817 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,440 in two years and the developer has moved on to extensions and 818 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,040 Matt Burchler refuses to make Hush for the iPad and Hush for 819 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,000 the Mac. Yeah, I know, new Leon now my 820 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,000 new Mac developer Hush for the iPad 1. 821 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,160 I. Have no idea where to begin to 822 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,720 do this. Cool. 823 00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:59,280 So I'm going to give you like what, a month you got this? 824 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,320 Like a month? OK, OK. 825 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,200 But I created another list in this hypothetical situation 826 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,200 where somehow the Apple Creator Studio is included. 827 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,440 I know that's not the prompt, but I just want it for for the 828 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,440 sake of discussion and for the sake of our audience. 829 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,720 I wanted to give a more interesting answer. 830 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:22,920 Hush clawed Notion because I think I could do all because 831 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,160 Notion. I could do all of my business 832 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:29,640 management and I think I could do writing in Notion and the and 833 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,680 the situation where non creator studio isn't included. 834 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,400 I guess I'm writing in notes. That sucks. 835 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,040 I. Wonder both you and and Matt you 836 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,840 would use Safari as your web browser. 837 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,760 Yeah, I would use Safari. I mean, I already use Safari. 838 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,160 I already use Safari. It's fine. 839 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,240 It's great. I mean, I can't record my 840 00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:51,880 podcast with you guys anymore because Riverside doesn't record 841 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,320 it the podcast. Is over if we do. 842 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:59,000 I gotta quit the podcast. Does not exist for us to podcast 843 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,960 like this anymore. I I can't, I can't podcast, but 844 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,560 you know, whatever. I mean, technically with Matt's 845 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:10,280 setup, he can't podcast either. So, you know, yeah, so 846 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,760 interesting. But yeah, those, those, that's 847 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:17,000 kind of like my 2 situations there where, you know, one where 848 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,600 the Apple creator studios included one where it's not. 849 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,240 But yeah, unfortunately I have to have third party apps in 850 00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:26,640 order to get paid. Yeah, not. 851 00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:28,000 Unfortunate. It's great, but. 852 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,880 I was wondering the work around 'cause when you're buying a new 853 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,720 Mac you can like include creator, the creator studio. 854 00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:36,040 I was wondering if it came like pre installed but probably not. 855 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,520 It's probably just like. No, so I think they've changed 856 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,760 that now that the Creator Studio is out. 857 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,480 I think you just buy a license for it and you still have to go 858 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,000 and download it. But there was a time where it 859 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,800 did come pre installed back in the day when like I think like I 860 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,640 don't remember, but like I think I believe there was a time where 861 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,280 it did come pre like you could get like Final cut and logic pre 862 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:57,560 installed. OK. 863 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,760 OK. Nice. 864 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,520 Neil, how did you approach this challenge? 865 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:10,320 Easy Vivaldi first choice shock I need. 866 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,760 So first thing I thought with this prompt is I need a web 867 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,080 browser. That's good, because when you've 868 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,080 got a web browser, that's good, you've got a working computer. 869 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,720 I mean, that's a good point. That is a good point. 870 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,440 Yeah, you can do everything you just mentioned. 871 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,000 Matt, what text editor would you would use? 872 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,440 You you have some on the web you can you can find. 873 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,520 And Vivaldi I'm sure has a. Yeah, Visual Studio Code is in 874 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,320 the web. Yeah, that's, that's right. 875 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,520 And there are many other options as well. 876 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,960 And also like video calls, I would still be on the podcast. 877 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:51,680 So I guess in this alternate universe, I am alone on this 878 00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:57,240 show, but we'll make do. I guess I'll just promote my 879 00:48:57,240 --> 00:48:58,880 app. Every, every time, every 880 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,800 episode. There you go. 881 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,880 And yeah. So Vivaldi is great. 882 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,120 Have you heard of Vivaldi? It's amazing. 883 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:11,840 My second app is Swinson, which is my music surprise there. 884 00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:15,680 Yeah, I it has reached this point. 885 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,920 I don't think I can live without this. 886 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:24,840 I I need my swing zone on my Mac and the third one I was 887 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,200 struggling to find which one to include because I was like 888 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:34,880 that's 99.99% of my Mac already. Music and browser what else do I 889 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,880 need? Like looking at my doc 890 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,720 everything can be in the browser. 891 00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:42,440 I just use the apps because they exist, but like this I'm I'm 892 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,400 seeing like this called slack that can be in the browser MIME 893 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:47,960 stream. So that's my e-mail. 894 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,200 I agree with you, Matt. That is the best e-mail app, but 895 00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,000 I can live with Gmail in in the browser. 896 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,880 So that's fine. Calendar that can be on the 897 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,440 browser in the browser as well, like even podcasts. 898 00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,560 So anyway, so my third pick is just a bonus. 899 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,640 It's an extra. It's the icing on the top. 900 00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:13,680 It's Ivory Mastodon client because I'm alone IRLII like I 901 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,320 don't have friends. You can see if you're looking at 902 00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,360 the video version. There's nobody behind me like I 903 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,600 have no friends, no like no one like me. 904 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,000 Technically, nobody's behind him. 905 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,800 Yeah, but yeah, but. I got nobody. 906 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,320 Right away because I'm about. To emerge but my my wall are are 907 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,520 more white and plain. So I'm more alone than you. 908 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,800 So yeah. So I need my online friends. 909 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:44,200 It's all I need to say. OK, OK, I I'm kind of surprised 910 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,760 none of us said Xcode and then we can just build all of our 911 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:47,080 own. Apps. 912 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:48,400 I was literally just having that thought. 913 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,720 I was like why wouldn't I just the Xcode is mine and then I can 914 00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:52,000 just make all the apps that I want. 915 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,720 It'll take me a while to get up and running, but give me enough. 916 00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:57,800 Time and Neilion didn't. Neither Neilion or Matt picked 917 00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,000 any of their own apps. Listen, I would just like to 918 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,480 point that out. That's true. 919 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:09,400 Mine are nice to haves. It's the same like I'm not, I'm 920 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,440 not saying tiny start is essential. 921 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:12,840 I'm just saying. And when you have three asses 922 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:13,080 on. This. 923 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,120 What are you going to launch? Just put them in the dock. 924 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:16,640 That's true. You can have your entire 925 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,600 computer in the dock. That's true. 926 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,840 On the desktop, you Max out the icon size in Finder and you have 927 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,080 three big icons on the desktop. Yeah. 928 00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,640 All right. Well, that was interesting 929 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,960 results kind of basically what I expected from Neil Leon, I think 930 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,920 if all the idea was going to be our number one. 931 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,560 Yeah. I think we maybe at some point 932 00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,280 we should do another thought experiment like this where we 933 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,040 stay in the same universe and expand on that. 934 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,360 So like we commit to this and we have three more, but just three 935 00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:51,280 iPhone apps. I don't know. 936 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:56,720 And just keep limiting our lives to three of everything. 937 00:51:57,720 --> 00:51:59,240 Oh my goodness. Interesting. 938 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,400 OK. But that's not my new challenge, 939 00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,680 by the way. OK, what is your new challenge? 940 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,680 This is your challenge. So I'm picking the new challenge 941 00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:11,880 for next week and the new challenge is we will backup our 942 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,720 entire photos library. OK. 943 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,840 And the best method wins. OK. 944 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,560 I've heard of this. So Matt backup is when you take 945 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,520 your your data and make a copy of it onto separate storage, 946 00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,600 usually into a a different location or definitely a 947 00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,640 different device at the bare minimum. 948 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,560 Yes, OK. And at least you already have 949 00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:39,840 something set up for this, right? 950 00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,320 You back up your phone, I. Do I do but I can do something 951 00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,160 different? Exactly, so I was about to say 952 00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:46,880 something new. I will do something different, 953 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,520 yeah. And in my regard, I don't like 954 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,720 it's just in I cloud and I have no idea what I'm going to do, 955 00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:57,080 but hopefully I will find apps. I don't know. 956 00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,720 I came across recently some apps that would do this. 957 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,200 I have no idea what they're worth. 958 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,280 So I thought this would be a good opportunity to try some of 959 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,640 that, some of them out. OK. 960 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,560 All right, interesting. OK, All right, well, that brings 961 00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,000 us to the end of the show. Question. 962 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,120 And my question for the two of you is what is your dream job 963 00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,440 today? No need to worry about 964 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,840 qualifications, resources or education. 965 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,400 We're we're living in a fantasy world. 966 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,000 You can do anything you want to be. 967 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,160 What do you want to? Be Yeah, President of the French 968 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,800 Republic. OK, I knew you were going to say 969 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,960 that. I mean, obviously. 970 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,880 I I knew what you were going to. Say give me a job where I can 971 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,800 change the world, I will take it. 972 00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,320 I mean, I would take Emperor of the World, but that might be a 973 00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:43,280 little unrealistic, so that if I can't have that, then a race car 974 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,000 driver specifically probably in the GT3 Cup. 975 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,200 So I could drive a Mustang in a race car, you know, Yes. 976 00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,280 Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, you guys thought bigger than 977 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,000 me. I was just gonna say a solo 978 00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,440 developer who can work full time and be comfortable. 979 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:04,720 Oh wow, yeah. But I I don't need, I don't need 980 00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:06,440 fame and power. That's fine. 981 00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,280 The fast cars would be nice. That would be fun. 982 00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:09,600 Fast cars. Yeah. 983 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:10,800 All right. Well. 984 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,760 I don't want the fame and all the power either. 985 00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,280 Just I just wanted to say. I mean, clearly you want the 986 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,640 power. Clearly you want the power. 987 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,320 That's right. I want the power, the fame. 988 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:21,960 I don't care. I want the power that you're 989 00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:22,400 right. Yes. 990 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,760 OK, OK. You you more want to be like a 991 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,720 behind the scenes puppet master. No, no, no. 992 00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:31,440 I want the because. Then you don't have the fame, 993 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,480 but you have the power. You don't understand. 994 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,800 I want to be the master of the puppet masters. 995 00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:40,360 OK, OK, yes, all right. OK. 996 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,200 Well, that brings us to the end of the show. 997 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:44,600 Thank you all so much for listening. 998 00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:45,960 Thank you to Mac Stories for having us. 999 00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,080 We are a Mac Stories podcast. Be sure to go check out all the 1000 00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,200 other writings and shows and stuff on the on the channel or 1001 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,200 on the website. Sorry YouTube brain. 1002 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,320 Thank you all so much for listening. 1003 00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,960 Have a great day. Bye bye. 1004 00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:59,960 And don't forget to try a Diwali fire. 1005 00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:02,040 So the double Decker taps. Yes, Why didn't you? 1006 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,360 Promote your own app and tiny start. 1007 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,080 All right, tiny start pick. I have an app as well.