1 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,320 Good morning. Welcome to Comfort Zone. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,840 I'm Chris Lawley. No, I'm Matt. 3 00:00:11,040 --> 00:00:14,160 I'm doing the intro even though all three of us are here. 4 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,640 And it's only because Chris is coming to us live from 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,920 California, as I guess he always does, but without his studio 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,360 quality mic. Except. 7 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:29,520 Excuse me, Apple would disagree. These are studio quality 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:33,600 microphones. I am, I am coming to you live 9 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,600 not from the center of California, but Northern 10 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:42,360 California because I am on the ground floor in my hotel room 11 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:47,280 because my 2 Co hosts decided to start this recording at 6:00 AM 12 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:53,480 Apple Park time. And I and and it's Apple Park 13 00:00:53,480 --> 00:00:55,600 doesn't open up for me until till 7:00. 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,280 So I was going to do a whole bit where I was filming recording 15 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,000 the podcast at Apple Park and probably gets told by security 16 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,760 at some point to stop, but yeah. Yeah. 17 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,760 But I'm in my hotel room. Well, welcome, Chris. 18 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,600 Thank you for making it. We're also joined by Neil Leon. 19 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,600 Neil Leon, how are you? Hello. 20 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:19,480 I'm fine, I'm fine. Finer than last year's WWE. 21 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,320 Excellent. This We were sitting there 22 00:01:24,320 --> 00:01:29,560 watching this keynote and I was like, this is Neilion's iPad OS 23 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,160 26. No, I don't think so, but. 24 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,320 She got it a lot quicker than what I got. 25 00:01:34,320 --> 00:01:37,760 IPad OS 20 like I. You had to wait. 26 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,480 One year, yeah. One year, yeah. 27 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:47,600 I had to wait a 10. I was telling some Apple people 28 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,240 I'm like, this is the first time going into a WWDC. 29 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:51,800 I'm not stressing about the iPad. 30 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,160 Wow, that's, yeah, that's a first. 31 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,520 I I think we should just get into it and talk about some of 32 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:04,520 the things. WWC. 33 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,199 We have a loose outline, but I wanted to start by saying this 34 00:02:08,199 --> 00:02:11,640 was a weird presentation for someone who's used to it being a 35 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:14,800 certain way where they have a title card that says this is the 36 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,280 platform and here's the features. 37 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,600 And those features happen to be on everything anyway. 38 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,480 But that's how they broke it down. 39 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:27,240 And this year they were like, here is Chris's Apple OS 27 and 40 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,000 it is the same on everything. All these features are 41 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,400 everywhere. And we're literally not even 42 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,200 going to talk any about any differences. 43 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:35,760 We're not. We're just going to show the 44 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:37,280 things off. So, Chris, do you feel 45 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:42,440 vindicated? I do that word cloud slide of 46 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,880 like here's all the features and even that's still not 47 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,680 everything. I took that. 48 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,920 I threw it into codecs, had codecs basically break all the 49 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:55,600 features up and sort it. And a vast majority of them are 50 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,080 on every platform. There are some that are only on 51 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,120 one, there's some that are on 2. There's some that are like like 52 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:09,280 iPad, Mac and iPhone but not watching TVOSTVOS did get 7 new 53 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,840 features by the way. We can spend an hour talking 54 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,560 about that. I know you guys would rather 55 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,800 spend an hour talking about corner radiuses. 56 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,520 I saw that and I was like, oh God, that's all comfort zone is 57 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:19,920 going to be for the next 6 months. 58 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:27,840 But yeah, no, like I, I, it's not the Apple OS in name, but 59 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:33,880 it's definitely like like I see the trajectory like I don't, I 60 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,920 really do think like at some point like Darwin and all that 61 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,760 stuff will need to be updated for the next phase of 62 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,280 technology. And at that point, why build 3 63 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,160 separate OSS would? You update the theory of 64 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,280 evolution. Chris because Darwin. 65 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,040 That dude was nuts. Are we cancelling Darwin now? 66 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,920 Oh, no, yeah. How should we cancel Darwin? 67 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,400 I love when the episode title just so clearly it happens right 68 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:09,840 at the start. This is a good OK. 69 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:12,840 Can I say something? Please. 70 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,079 OK, I, I, I don't really care about your outline. 71 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:19,480 I'm sure that's but yes, it's. Fine, I assumed yes, yes. 72 00:04:22,079 --> 00:04:26,680 But what I want to say is I would like, so this is like an 73 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,760 official statement in picture me in front of like a podium or 74 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,960 something. I would like to extend a 75 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:41,320 symbolic massive middle finger to everyone last year who has 76 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:45,880 kept telling me that Oh no, the floating sidebars are fine, 77 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,280 they're really nice. They look nice, actually. 78 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:52,200 You should just get used to it. And when I was making arguments 79 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,880 on Masonone as well as on this show about how it doesn't make 80 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,080 sense in terms of both user experience, but also like in 81 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:03,640 terms of visual coherence to have a floating sidebar, people 82 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,320 were like, no, no, no, you don't understand Apple's genius. 83 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,560 They know what they're doing and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, 84 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,040 blah, blah. So massive middle finger to you 85 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:12,360 all. I still love you, but still. 86 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,000 And yes, now what are you going to do? 87 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,360 What are you going to do, you all? 88 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,920 What are you going to say now that Apple itself has agreed 89 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:26,360 with me and decided that yes, it sucked and we should revert that 90 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,880 floating sidebars. No, no, no, no, no. 91 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:33,240 Nobody wants that. I, I, I mean, I love vindicated 92 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,200 Neil Leon. Yeah, yeah. 93 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,720 You got floating sidebars, You got a slider? 94 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:45,160 You got my video just froze for some reason because hand 95 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,720 reactions happened. You're still good for us. 96 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,040 OK, OK. All right. 97 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:51,960 That was weird. But you got floating sidebars 98 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,880 are gone, you got corner radius is fixed. 99 00:05:54,880 --> 00:06:00,240 You got a slide bar for liquid glass to the point where if you 100 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,080 slide it all the way to the other end, I think what have you 101 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,520 said in our group chat sorry I haven't caught up this one. 102 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,680 I literally jumped in the shower, threw on clothes and 103 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:13,320 jumped on the call. It's very early here, but what 104 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,240 have you said? It looks like tiger right? 105 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,480 That's. Smith on, I think I agree. 106 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,800 Like the they've also updated the look of the buttons 107 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,520 generally and the fields. So now they have like some the 108 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,080 way they shine is very different from last year. 109 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,000 It looks very bubbly, much more like bubblier than last year, 110 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:41,400 because last year, I mean in Tahoe and 26, all the buttons 111 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,240 are flat. Like when they're against the 112 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,760 white background especially or even the dark background, the 113 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:51,720 buttons are all flat. Now they have some kind of 3D 114 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,880 aspect to them, even when they are on top of nothing basically, 115 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:03,960 and it looks a lot like the Aqua buttons of old, somebody said on 116 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,840 my son they look lickable and yes. 117 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:13,160 Yeah, lickable. I will say this computer is not 118 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,840 on the beta yet. What? 119 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,280 But my MacBook Neo is, my iPhone is, my iPad is and my Vision Pro 120 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:23,680 R and I messed around with the slider and I tried some things 121 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:28,600 out and I am currently using them all on maximum 122 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:33,680 Transparency, which is still better than normal transparency 123 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,680 last year. And it's because of those 124 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,760 things. Yeah, it's they are doing 125 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,880 whatever they're doing with the refraction of the stuff behind 126 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,640 it is easier to read. If it's a problem for you, you 127 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,080 can still slide and it'll be like super opaque and that's 128 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,440 fine. But for me there aren't as many 129 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,240 issues with it. Maybe I'll find more as I use it 130 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,000 more, but like the initial reaction is actually this is 131 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,560 better. And the, a low key thing that 132 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,080 has made it much nicer is there's a little outline around 133 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,240 every button. Now that is, I think it's 134 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,600 supposed to just look like the glass kind of falling off, but 135 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,240 it's, it's just an outline. And that goes a long way to 136 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,000 making it more defined and just feel more like, I don't know, 137 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,960 buttons in an interface, which they're supposed to be. 138 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:26,920 And the low key best thing is, you know, that stupid thing last 139 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,480 year where they, there were these like in the toolbar, the 140 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,840 buttons were just floating and all your, your, your content 141 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,799 would go under them and they would like fade and they would 142 00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:37,360 kind of like be this gradient fade. 143 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,960 That was just horrible. Now there's a fixed line with a 144 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,240 background that, even on the maximum transparency, is pretty 145 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,480 darn opaque, so your buttons are legible. 146 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,800 It's it's a small thing, but it it goes. 147 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:57,960 A long way I I was listening to ATP this morning and John, so 148 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,920 your recuser said turns out tool toolbars need to look like bars. 149 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:10,360 Yes, But yes, the the way they they were dealing with so in in 150 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,120 26 the buttons they did not have an outline and the way they were 151 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:18,360 dealing with that is massive drop shadows around everything. 152 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,840 Yes. You, I'm opening Finder right 153 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,800 now. The buttons in the toolbar, 154 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,800 they, they all have massive drop shadows and that's the only way 155 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,680 that you were able to tell that there's like there's something 156 00:09:30,680 --> 00:09:34,600 there. So now, and I've looked at many 157 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:39,320 screenshots yesterday and today, it seemed like all the drop 158 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,600 shadows are gone, at least for those elements, the buttons and 159 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,080 the fields and the toolbar elements, etcetera. 160 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,480 The shadows are gone. It's just a thin outline and it 161 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:54,400 does the job well. Yeah, I, I, I'm pretty sure 162 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,160 that's the case. Again, I don't have that one in 163 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:00,800 front of me, but I took a screenshot earlier and I I'm 164 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,240 pretty happy. Pretty happy with it, yeah. 165 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,160 Did, did you guys see the iPad even became a little more Mac 166 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:13,080 like this year as well? The menu bar is now shifted. 167 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:17,000 It's left aligned and you can set it up so that the menu bar 168 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:21,320 items are always present. But for some reason that's I, I, 169 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,160 yeah, I either don't understand how that's working or it's 170 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,160 broken in the beta for me because if I toggle that 171 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,560 setting, they still disappear. So I, I have a briefing later 172 00:10:31,560 --> 00:10:36,360 today that I will ask about that, but yeah, it all they need 173 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,840 to do is move the time and date over to the right side and it's 174 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,640 just the Mac menu bar at that point. 175 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,000 It's kind of weird that they did this and kept the time on the 176 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,080 left. I know I. 177 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,240 Kind of thought the same thing. I kind of thought the same 178 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,920 thing. I really wouldn't be surprised 179 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,360 if next year moves over or even maybe in the middle of this beta 180 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,800 it moves over. I really wouldn't be surprised, 181 00:10:59,560 --> 00:11:04,240 but I I really like it not being, you know, all in the 182 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,760 center now and it's a little smaller too. 183 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:13,440 It's it's maybe maybe I or maybe I, it's just my eyes and I'm not 184 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,360 comparing it. I don't have another iPad here 185 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,160 to compare it to, but it seems like it's a little more compact 186 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,160 and in line with the menu bar and not just kind of like this 187 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,960 tacked on thing. It feels more like it's supposed 188 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,640 to be there. Yeah. 189 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:32,680 Nice if we can delay the AI talk briefly. 190 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,680 OK. It's so obvious that we have 191 00:11:36,680 --> 00:11:38,360 Touchmax coming this fall, right? 192 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:44,000 Oh my God, Touchmax and the dual screen iPhone. 193 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,520 If you look at the technical stuff, there's Drawing in Notes, 194 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,040 Drawing in free form on the Mac, there's what was it? 195 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,720 Sidecar better. Better, yeah, when you're using 196 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,480 Sidecar. Touch support, when you're using 197 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,920 Sidecar to be a second display for your Mac, you can just touch 198 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:03,600 it and swipe around everything just like you could if it was 199 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:08,600 the Mac screen itself. And then, yeah, the iPhone, they 200 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,480 were like, well now you've got your iPhone here and now, like 201 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,240 just what if it got like twice as wide all of a sudden? 202 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:16,840 What would that be like? So. 203 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,680 Now you can resize and for iPhone mirroring. 204 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,040 IPhone mirroring too. That was surprising, even if 205 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,080 your. Size I found mirroring and so 206 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,960 whatever app is running on your phone will just have a wider 207 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:34,760 aspect ratio and yeah and and you kind of and in 26. 208 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,800 I. Saw that they like the added 209 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,240 landscape orientation to a bunch of system apps as well. 210 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,640 So like Apple Music? File etcetera. 211 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,080 Sorry sorry if I keep talking over YouTube there is a massive. 212 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:54,120 Delay on my end. I'm I'm on hotel Wi-Fi There's 213 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:59,160 there's, there's, you know it is, it is what it is, but iPhone 214 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:03,160 apps on the iPad now can be resized as well and not just 215 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,880 like blown up. They can be like reshaped. 216 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,920 So that's kind of cool. It's it's still a little funky 217 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:15,040 like developers should really just make an iPad app looking at 218 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:20,680 you Notion calendar. I I would like to use you but 219 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:27,240 iPad, but yeah, so, so that, that's kind of cool. 220 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,640 Yeah, and again, iPhone apps are iPad apps, iPad apps are iPhone 221 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,000 apps. So this will just happen. 222 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,880 You don't even need the updates. And they're and they're Mac apps 223 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:39,400 as well. And. 224 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:40,760 They're Mac apps in a lot of cases, yes. 225 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,600 But yeah, it's super obvious it's happening and everyone will 226 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,480 be happy and I will get my vindication. 227 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,600 Oh, Chris, you got the iPad last year and Elion, you're getting 228 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,240 liquid glass this fall. And if I get Touch Max, it'll 229 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:00,080 just be a happy comfort zone. Yeah, what will we have to 230 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,920 complain about? We'll find people know, we'll 231 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:03,120 find something to complain about. 232 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,760 We'll have okay. Should we move on to Apple 233 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:10,760 Intelligence? Do we want to complain? 234 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,040 Please I have I have a lot of maybe. 235 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:17,840 One quick thing before we do that, so it's out of the way. 236 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,360 They had a whole section in the keynote about they called it 237 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,040 trust and safety. I believe, trust and whatever. 238 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,040 Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, the child protection. 239 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:32,120 And they unveiled a bunch of like massive, if I understand 240 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:36,640 correctly, enhancements to the to the how you can limit the 241 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:43,200 screen time of your children and how you can impose more limits 242 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:48,000 on like child accounts, which you can gradually upgrade of 243 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:53,080 time when the age up. Now there's the ability to 244 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,000 restrict websites as well, if I understand that correctly as 245 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,360 well. None of this has been tested by 246 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:05,200 anyone, so I'm just sitting off Apple from the from the keynote 247 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,320 anyway. So all of this is just 248 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,320 iterations, pretty big iterations to be fair, over 249 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,640 what's been there before. And I, I just can't help but 250 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:21,320 worry about like the political discourse that they've been 251 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:29,040 using in that presentation, for example, they, they kept saying 252 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,840 things like, who knows best than parents? 253 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,120 Well, who knows best than parents to for, for their 254 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,960 children. There's also 1.1 of the 255 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:46,000 presenters said, yeah, parents know something that along that I 256 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,080 don't remember specifically. But anyway. 257 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,520 And that's the kind of this is a discussion we already had on the 258 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,120 show right when we talked about age verification. 259 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,040 I think like I'm worried about this for for kids. 260 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:06,160 I cannot even begin to imagine what kind of life I would have 261 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:11,640 had if my parents had that kind of power over me when I was a 262 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,440 kid. And yeah, I saw a bunch of 263 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,600 people in Mastodon say the same thing. 264 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:24,360 Like there's massive, there's massive worry around this where 265 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,720 especially when talking about marginalized kids and queer kids 266 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,440 and etcetera. And the phrase parents know best 267 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,920 what's best for their children. Yeah. 268 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,400 Somebody posted this quote on Masonone, and with a line 269 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,760 underneath, queer kids have entered the chat. 270 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:48,920 Like if you're a queer kid, yeah, there's obviously some, 271 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,000 some families are accepting and it's great, but some families 272 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,080 are not. And then if you're a queer kid, 273 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,960 no, your parents probably don't know best what's best for you 274 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,680 anyway. So just wanted to mention that. 275 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,880 Yeah, I think it's wearing that Apple has fallen into this 276 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:08,119 narrative like they've had before, but now it's more 277 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,359 prominent. And I think it's also because 278 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:14,760 they're trying to come before all of the massive policy 279 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,839 changes around this around the world. 280 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:22,440 Yeah, it's, I mean, it's a tough thing if you have a kid with a 281 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,440 phone or an iPad, like you don't want them necessarily exposed to 282 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,800 the entire Internet all the time and you don't necessarily want 283 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,720 them messaging strangers. And like, so there is there are 284 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,080 reasonable limits. And I think especially from AUS 285 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,960 centric mindset, there's definitely the idea that we 286 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,600 don't want people outside the family making decisions. 287 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,000 Like government bodies, for example. 288 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,640 We definitely lean more towards yeah, parents making decisions 289 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,960 and everything. But like you said, there is a 290 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:59,920 line where they don't always know best, right? 291 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,920 For a lot of kids, they do. And like, you know, each family 292 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,160 has their own rules and systems and everything. 293 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,360 But yeah, so I don't know. I don't know how you balance 294 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:13,000 that perfectly. The one, the thing that's kind 295 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,520 of got me was the website limits, like setting you can set 296 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,760 it up so you can improve every single website they go to, which 297 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:21,720 seems a little crazy. And like, I can't imagine as 298 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,120 someone as as a kid how I would deal with that. 299 00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:28,640 But I mean, you, you do like a Google search and then you like 300 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,480 open 5 tabs, right? And like, is that 5 301 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,360 notifications to your parents? Like they want to access all 302 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:36,040 these websites and like you don't even know what's on that 303 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:37,800 website yet. It's a little crazy. 304 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,640 So we'll see how it works in real life. 305 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,800 Like none of us have kids. So it's it's a little hard to 306 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,960 for me at least have a super strong opinion on it, but I 307 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:48,880 definitely. For yourself, I have Riley. 308 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,560 Sherman has no limits on his on his iPad, of course. 309 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,240 He's just buying all the microtransactions. 310 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,240 He is. So it's it's, I think it's kind 311 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,560 of one of those like impossible problems to get right for 312 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:09,080 everybody. So I hope they navigate it well 313 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:17,560 so that it it protects without endangering or restricting kids. 314 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,360 So I don't know what the solution is, but I was, I was 315 00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:23,160 surprised. It was like a third of their 316 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:24,880 presentation, though that was surprising. 317 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,800 I think that's what I'm worried about the most because it used 318 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,640 to, it always used to be something like this kind of 319 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:38,800 features, but that it's become a like a first level title in the 320 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:43,080 presentation. And and also like, like I said, 321 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:48,600 the discourse that they used to justify and present the the set 322 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,960 of features that that that was worrying to me. 323 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,800 But yeah, we can move on to AI think we'll yeah, we'll we'll 324 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,640 talk about it more when we have more information. 325 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,720 Yeah. I got, I got 6 minutes left guys 326 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,840 before I have to bounce OK, all right. 327 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,120 What? What do you want to talk about, 328 00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:09,240 Chris? Can I, can I just round off like 329 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,800 just rapid fire? A few things that I've learned 330 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,440 that are pretty interesting. Go ahead. 331 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:21,760 So the new on device model has let me pull it up here has a 20 332 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:26,440 billion parameter context window. 333 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:31,000 This is up from the four of the previous one. 334 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,080 That's why that's why the RAM increase happened. 335 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,200 Like you have to have 12 gigs of RAM to run this new the, the 336 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:46,040 high end on device Siri AI and the stuff I've seen so far and 337 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:51,080 I've only had, I haven't had the full Siri AI briefing yet. 338 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,680 I've had the Apple intelligence briefing and this is where it 339 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,080 gets really confusing. But the stuff I've seen so far 340 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,680 from the on device model, very impressive. 341 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,040 Like I'm I'm actually really impressed with it. 342 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,000 The new shortcuts stuff is interesting. 343 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:11,520 Shortcuts now defaults when you hit the plus button to create a 344 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,480 shortcut. It now defaults to the natural 345 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:21,360 language input so that it it you just type in what you want the 346 00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:25,160 shortcut to be and it'll build it for you for simple shortcuts 347 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,760 and kind of like intermediate shortcuts, simple shortcuts that 348 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,080 should get it in one shot like no problem. 349 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,320 Intermediate shortcuts, it might get it in one shot. 350 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,840 You might have to go into the editor and like fix a couple of 351 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:43,760 things and advance shortcuts. It falls down like if you tell 352 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,360 it to make Federico's Apple frames, it ain't going to do 353 00:21:46,360 --> 00:21:48,560 that. If you tell it to make my 354 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,920 snippet cut shortcut, it's not going to do that. 355 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,760 From what I understand. And this this could be wrong 356 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,080 because I've got mixed information, but the reliable 357 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,360 information that I have heard is that this doesn't work with 358 00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:03,720 third party actions. And I haven't had a chance to a 359 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,120 chance to fully test that. In fact, actually, let me see if 360 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:13,160 I can just test that right now. But let's let's just test it 361 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,000 right now. Let's do a live on air make a 362 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:21,520 shortcut so that wait, do I have to do this on this machine 363 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,000 still? Nope. 364 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:30,360 What's a what's a make a shortcut so that I can enter an 365 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:37,320 event for fantastic Cal all right, so let's see if that 366 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:38,840 works. I should have tested that 367 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,840 before, but it's been a crazy I guys. 368 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,120 I didn't leave Apple park until 8:30 last night. 369 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:46,880 I got there at 7:30 AM and I didn't leave until 8:30. 370 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,960 OK so OK so I told it about Fantastic Health and it said to 371 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,040 create a shortcut using that app you will need to use the editor 372 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,640 so it does not work with third party apps. 373 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,840 Or maybe does maybe? Does that maybe mean that the 374 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,760 developer needs to update something? 375 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,520 Maybe, but I mean all the actions are there. 376 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,840 Like if this was an on device thing it would be able to just 377 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:17,800 see what actions were on device and and go from there. 378 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,960 The other thing I was told, but I haven't figured out how to 379 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,960 make it happen, is that you should be able to create 380 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:29,480 extensions on iPad and iPhone too. 381 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,600 In Safari. In Safari, yeah. 382 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,240 But I haven't figured out. I think that I think that person 383 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,000 might have been confused because I haven't figured out how to do 384 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,040 that just yet. And if again, I've had very, 385 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,440 very little time to do anything with this. 386 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,560 Yeah, it doesn't seem to be in the first developer beta that 387 00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:56,440 functionality at all. So it's not even in the Mac OS 388 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,320 beta. And yes, I think I've seen it. 389 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,120 I've seen people use it actually on the Mac. 390 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,960 Have you? I could not find it. 391 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,680 Yeah, I saw some screenshots of it. 392 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,520 Interesting. OK, well, maybe it is. 393 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,520 OK, all right, we'll report back. 394 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,160 We'll we'll we'll figure that one out. 395 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,200 There was some other stuff that I am pulling up right now that 396 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,480 if you give me two seconds, I will have it for you. 397 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,960 So 11 more cool thing about shortcuts. 398 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,160 Well, cool ish. And I'm kind of annoyed about 399 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,000 this. So the automations tab and 400 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,440 shortcuts, you could no longer create new automations in the 401 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,640 Automations tab. There is no window for you to 402 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,760 pick a trigger. In order to create a background 403 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,640 automation and shortcuts. You have to do the natural 404 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,640 language input and you have to be. 405 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,440 When I get home, turn on these lights. 406 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:55,640 But there is some new. There is some new triggers, one 407 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,640 of which is when your iPad pairs with a keyboard or disconnects 408 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,920 from a keyboard. So now I have an automation 409 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,960 setup. So whenever my iPad pairs to a 410 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,960 hardware keyboard, it turns on the window mode. 411 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:10,080 Whenever it disconnects from a hardware keyboard, it turns off 412 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,720 the window mode. So it's that's, that's honestly, 413 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,600 I think that's actually should just be a setting like that 414 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:20,160 should be something there. But yeah, that's pretty cool. 415 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,760 Animation speed. It's and it's not just animation 416 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,360 speed. They actually made some tweaks 417 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,720 to like performance and stuff like that so that when you jump, 418 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,240 when you open and close apps, when you're switching windows 419 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,000 and stuff like that, things are faster. 420 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,680 And iPad OS, like there's a bunch of like tweaks and stuff 421 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,520 to basically make all the OSS feel faster. 422 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:48,800 There is undo and redo home screen edits, but it's just on 423 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,640 iPad OS, it's not on iOS. I don't know why. 424 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,640 Unbelievable iPhone not getting the respect it deserves. 425 00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:59,520 And again, you know, it just doesn't do much for them. 426 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,640 I'm all over the place. I know shortcuts now has else if 427 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:09,680 actions, so it's you. So all those nested if actions 428 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,120 you can, you can kind of clean that up. 429 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,600 There's, there's also the ability to store data in 430 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,720 shortcuts. So I'm going to rebuild a bunch 431 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,680 of shortcuts over the summer so that instead of using an app 432 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,840 like data jar or something like that where you have to open it 433 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,360 in order to get it to sync with shortcuts, shortcuts will now 434 00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:30,680 just be. So you can theoretically build a 435 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,360 proper clipboard manager now with shortcuts. 436 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,120 In the Shortcuts app. Itself I I believe it's saving 437 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:39,400 it in the shortcuts app. OK. 438 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:46,440 Interesting, the in Mac OS there is now HDR support for Mac OS 439 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,320 system UI. So Matt uranized monitors. 440 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,400 Actually I think this is a good thing. 441 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,360 Let me explain right now. So that fancy monitor I got, if 442 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:58,240 I plug my iPad into it, it supports Dolby Vision. 443 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,000 If I plug my MacBook Pro into it, it does not. 444 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,920 So this should bring I'm hoping this means it's bringing Dolby 445 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,520 Vision support to the Mac, but again, it's not something I've 446 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,080 been able to test. All I know is HDR for Mac, Mac 447 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,040 OS system UI, there's better ultra wide monitor support. 448 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,680 So if you have an ultra wide monitor and use it with the Mac, 449 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,720 you can do that. And they've added swipe down to 450 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,880 refresh to a bunch of apps like Mail, Safari, stuff like that in 451 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,160 Mac OS. That'll make a lot of sense for 452 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,160 your touchscreen Macs coming this way. 453 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,200 Yeah, they're kind of like they're not even trying to hide 454 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,160 it like this. Is. 455 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,520 Yeah. I mean, this is stuff. 456 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,120 They could have added later, but. 457 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,160 Yeah, I've lived through a lot of these. 458 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,360 They sneakily put something that indicates a future, future 459 00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:48,360 hardware this year is very direct. 460 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,560 Yeah. Well, Chris, I know you have to 461 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:53,520 go. Yes. 462 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,000 You hate us. No, I'm sorry. 463 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:02,160 My schedule is wild. I, I literally have to, I, I, I 464 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,280 have to throw my shoes on, pack my backpack and go to Apple Park 465 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:11,600 to meet with the ADA developers, the ADA winners and briefings. 466 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,480 It's a tough life. Look, did I record app stories 467 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:20,640 yesterday with John Federico and Mike Hurley inside Apple Park 468 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,760 all together? Yes, I did. 469 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,800 You both are leaving me like Matt also recorded something 470 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,760 with somebody else. And he used comfort zone 471 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,920 property to do it too. All of a sudden I'm getting 472 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,720 emails from Riverside. Matt Birchler's recording is 473 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,440 ready and I'm like, I'm not Matt Birchler. 474 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:43,760 Why are you telling me this? Yeah, I didn't realize you got 475 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,680 emails for that. If you make any money off that, 476 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,080 we're owed 10%. Oh, here's the great news. 477 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,800 That podcast makes no money. OK, all right, well, there you 478 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,280 go. All right, I, I hope you guys 479 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,120 had a, a great WWDC. Thank you for letting me crash 480 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,480 in and and hijack and I can't wait to listen to the rest of 481 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,040 the show. Awesome. 482 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,200 Have fun, Chris. All right, talk to you later. 483 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,200 Bye. OK, so that guy was annoying. 484 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:20,160 Glad he's gone. Do we want to talk about Siri, 485 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:25,400 AI, Apple Intelligence? We can. 486 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,800 I know it's unavailable in the EU, so you will. 487 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:34,160 I have stuff to say about that. OK, let me say the good stuff 488 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,000 and the bad stuff. I think the good stuff, the 489 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:43,600 password reset is a cool use of agentic browsing in a way that 490 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:48,720 all the other agentic browsers are, like archive some emails, 491 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,720 book plane tickets. But you're obviously not going 492 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,480 to use it for that, so that's a cool thing. 493 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,480 Although in the UII tried to play with it, it seems to be an 494 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,960 all or nothing thing. So it has like 97 sites it wants 495 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,360 me to make a change on and the only option is to fix 97 sites, 496 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:11,560 which is not a button I necessarily want to hit, but 497 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,240 that's cool. The shortcuts, Chris talked 498 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,440 about it. When you start a shortcut now, 499 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,920 it does default to just like describe what you want. 500 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,760 You can still go to the old interface, but like it does 501 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,800 default to just tell us what you want us to make. 502 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,680 And then on the not so good side, I don't love the 503 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,080 photography stuff that they're doing with the expand and the 504 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,520 reframe. Like clean up I can be OK with, 505 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:44,040 especially because it doesn't do a great job at adding content. 506 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,960 It's cleaning up like something from the background or like 507 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,000 whatever I'm not super upset about for whatever reason. 508 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,680 But this idea of like actually reframing a photo and like I 509 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,600 thought their example sucked as well. 510 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,640 Like it was a perfectly fine photo of this guy's kids and 511 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,120 then he changed it into another photo that was equally just fine 512 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:12,440 And but with the without the benefit of being the actual 513 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:17,040 thing that happened, which is I don't love. 514 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,920 I think I saw John Syracuse a second Syracuse, a reference I 515 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,440 saw him post on Mastodon. Like in the next year's version, 516 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,040 they'll let you like replace the kids with better looking kids 517 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:26,920 and. Everything. 518 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,880 Oh my. God, like why do I have to 519 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,440 settle for my kids? Why can't these be different? 520 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,280 Yeah, I saw. He just weirds me out. 521 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:42,880 I saw already again somebody like screen recording this new 522 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,640 reframe and extend features and photos. 523 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:52,200 So there's two things. First, this is like straight up 524 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,320 from the future. Like the way it looks and it 525 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,720 works is very impressive. Like this. 526 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,440 Is. Like a video game engine on the 527 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,880 fly that that's using your photo as a frame of reference and just 528 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,600 building like an entire space around your photo. 529 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:16,080 This is incredible. Second, this is yeah, I agree. 530 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:23,080 This is who says, heck, what is I would understand it better if 531 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:28,240 this was like an image preg playground where you are 532 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,000 generating a scene or whatever. Like you're generating a 3D 533 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,360 scene and you can put whatever you want in that 3D scene and 534 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,400 edit it and move it around or whatever. 535 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,320 But to start from the place of what's supposed to be reality, 536 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:48,720 that is your photos and just create an alternative realm all 537 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,880 around it. And I I think this is not good. 538 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,920 Yeah, I, I was watching at home with my wife on the couch as 539 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,560 well and she's not super interested, but I was on the TV 540 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,760 so she was watching as well. And at this point both of us 541 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,960 kind of looked over each other and were like, oh, that's gross. 542 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:14,560 Like it is using it, it does. You aren't able to like totally 543 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,680 like spin the camera around like 360° or anything. 544 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,360 So it, they are kind of minor adjustments, but even still, 545 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,880 it's weird. They don't do text very well. 546 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,640 I had a picture of like a car that I took that had no parking 547 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,240 sign that was slightly obscured. And I reframed it to like so 548 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,200 that the sign would be visible. And it just gave me like 2 years 549 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,560 ago, like AI text, you know, like what it would do. 550 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,440 Yeah, yeah. Like it, it's, it's crazy what 551 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,480 it generated. So I mean, obviously that'll get 552 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,720 better, I guess. But like, it is, I don't love 553 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,840 it. I don't love the idea of these 554 00:33:54,840 --> 00:34:00,080 edits and I didn't talk about it, but like Google has like 555 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,640 there's like these these standards that are being trying 556 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,000 to set up the word to like label things as AI enhanced or 557 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,719 adjusted. And I don't think Apple said 558 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,520 anything about those. So I don't know if they're doing 559 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,360 anything like. Oh, that's true. 560 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,760 If I reframe a photo and I post it somewhere, is there any 561 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,880 indication that that was edited? I don't know. 562 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,800 Good question. That's the thing to look up, I 563 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:22,120 guess. You. 564 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,920 Wouldn't you would not know without the label for sure? 565 00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:27,080 No, especially like the minor ones. 566 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,400 You'd have no idea. Yeah, you have no idea. 567 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,040 Yeah. So yeah, I don't know. 568 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:38,480 I also saw somebody mention something I agree with is like 569 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:44,679 Apple doesn't talk about like consent either because they're 570 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:48,239 advertising how you can. So there's the photo editing 571 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,480 stuff, but there's also you can generate things with your 572 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:57,240 friends and contacts and family and like, there's no process at 573 00:34:57,240 --> 00:35:01,000 all for them giving consent before you do that, it seems. 574 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,960 And yeah, that's not great either. 575 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,160 It is a little crazy like that. That's feels like a very appley 576 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,120 thing, like to be like we, because in photos it knows who 577 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,400 you are and then it has like the faces that you've saved and 578 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,400 everything. But like, I feel like if it's 579 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,800 not a face of you, then yeah, it should like require some sort of 580 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,560 request permission thing. It would seem like something 581 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,440 they would do. Totally. 582 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,400 So it is a little surprising. Yeah. 583 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,760 It's just cuz we're the heebie jeebies. 584 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,560 Also, that was another. Their AI demos are just so bad. 585 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,760 Any of their image demos are just so terrible. 586 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,560 It was like a birthday invitation where they put this 587 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,360 this woman in like a investigators coat and like had 588 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,240 like little cake in front of her and like it was like the saddest 589 00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:54,240 looking like version of this person you could possibly 590 00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:56,880 imagine. Like an Interpol shot like. 591 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,560 Yeah. Yeah. 592 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,360 It was, yeah. It wasn't come to my fun party. 593 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,640 It was like, please save me. Yeah. 594 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,280 Oh, yeah. So I don't know, the image stuff 595 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,720 really, really weirded me out. The other the just like Siri 596 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:20,240 updates where like the new animation and stuff is, is fine. 597 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,200 It does do some of the stuff like I asked. 598 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,720 It's like to pull some information from inside apps and 599 00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:27,880 it did it and it's conversational. 600 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,400 So you can keep talking to it and your chats go into the Siri 601 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,920 app and you can keep you can resume them there. 602 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,440 So that's kind of cool if you asked it something and kind of 603 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,040 forgot what it told you, or if you wanted to do something else 604 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,440 with it. And it syncs across your 605 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,000 devices. So if you do something on your 606 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,520 iPhone on your Mac, you'll you'll have it there. 607 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:51,080 So that's kind of cool. Yeah. 608 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,960 But yeah, haven't had enough time to play with it to really 609 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,680 get a full impression. And obviously no third party 610 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,400 apps do anything with it yet, so it's hard to tell. 611 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:08,600 Yeah, I like the design. It looks clean and not over the 612 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:13,280 top and like, like the glow that they introduced with Apple 613 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:18,200 Intelligence that looked nice. But also I could see how they 614 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:23,560 could that would age quickly because it's very colorful, very 615 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,280 in your face. Yeah, this is more discreet. 616 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,560 It is, it is actually a weird experience because that the 617 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,720 glow, the around the screen glow is gone. 618 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,480 That's completely gone. So after you install the new 619 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,400 update, you actually go back to getting that like purple orb at 620 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,280 the bottom of the screen. And so I thought like, oh, I was 621 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,360 like, Oh no, I got like downgraded with Siri's. 622 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,800 So but you have to like join the wait list and once you're in, 623 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,400 once that's through, you get the new Siri. 624 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,520 But yeah, it is kind of weird to. 625 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,720 Like I'm going to have the the orb back because I'm not. 626 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,480 The orb is coming back, yes. And I'm not getting the new Siri 627 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,440 either, so OK, I'll just be stuck with the orb, that's fine. 628 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:12,040 Yeah, I do have to correct our good friend Chris. 629 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,560 OK. I think he mixed up parameters 630 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,200 in a model and context window in a model. 631 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,920 The local AI model has the exact same context window as before, 632 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:32,640 just 4000 tokens. The private cloud has 32,000 633 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,520 tokens which all developers have. 634 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,120 Well, developers with less than 2,000,000 downloads of their 635 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,400 apps have access to, which is good because that's the better 636 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,080 model. But the context window is 32,000 637 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,360 which is teeny tiny. I've put in for some context. 638 00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:54,080 I put in a chart into our show notes of like how that compares 639 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,280 to the Claude models and like it's not even close. 640 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:03,080 Sonnet has done 200,000 for years and Opus is at 1,000,000 641 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,840 now. But the good news is the average 642 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,560 comfort Zone episode, which is an hour long is about 20,000 643 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,360 tokens. So all of the things I do with 644 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:19,600 like quick subtitles and chapter eyes, I can do that in private 645 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:25,520 cloud now because I do not have 2 million users and I can just 646 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,320 use that for free, which is cool. 647 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:32,240 So I'm very happy about that. But I've I've been watching 648 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:35,720 those sessions and it's very it's weird. 649 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,960 You got unlimited use of the on device model. 650 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,400 Of course you always have. But for the cloud one, the limit 651 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,360 is based on per user. So each user can use the cloud 652 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,600 model for a set amount of time. And if you have iCloud plus, you 653 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,760 get more usage. But it's unclear exactly what 654 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,640 those limits are. So it should be fine, but I 655 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,520 suspect those just there to avoid like abuse but. 656 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,320 I am happy about it because I can do some more things with 657 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,120 their their model which I couldn't do before. 658 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,680 Yeah. Did you want to talk about the 659 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,840 EU and Apple intelligence? Yes, let's talk about the EU, 660 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,760 so, because that was very interesting. 661 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:25,640 So in the video itself, like in the keynote itself, Craig 662 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,600 addressed it like right away, orally. 663 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:36,360 He said we are deeply disappointed we'll not be able 664 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,680 to bring it to the EU, blah blah, blah. 665 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,760 Very short and sweet. Then right when the keynote 666 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,560 ended, I got a push notification and a press release dropped. 667 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,160 They, they pressed like the Apple dropped the press release. 668 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,040 That was the first one they dropped, I believe even before 669 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,920 the iPad OS. First job of press release is 670 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,480 due to the what was the head? Let's look up the headline again 671 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:07,960 of their press release due to DMA Siri AI delayed in EU for 672 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:14,360 iOS 27 and iPad OS 27. So this does not affect Mac OS 673 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,200 and Vision OS and Watch OS, I suppose. 674 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,920 And yeah, and their press release. 675 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,200 Have you read it? Incredible piece of media, This 676 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:33,440 press release, basically this is like, it makes me so mad. 677 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,360 Anyway, the press release basically is. 678 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,760 So they expose the argument for why they're not bringing it, 679 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,800 bringing it to the EU. Basically it is the EU 680 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:50,760 Commission, for us to be in compliance with the DMA, wants 681 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:57,240 us to give any third party AI system unlimited access to a 682 00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:03,400 user's device. So that means, so Siri AI does 683 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,520 all of this stuff that's integrated into the OS, 684 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,760 integrated with the apps, integrated with it, uses your 685 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:15,880 private data and all of that. And to bring that to the EU on 686 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,480 iOS and iPad OS, because we're consider the monopoly there and 687 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:24,840 we're forced to add interrupt, interrupt, interruptability. 688 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:32,400 Yeah, the EU wants us to give that access to 3rd party AI and 689 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,720 we don't do that because we respect our users privacy. 690 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,880 So that's their argument. And they also said in the press 691 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,760 release, which is very interesting, we proposed a 692 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:47,920 technical solution that we would roll out over an 18 month period 693 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,480 and they said no. So basically they, they went to 694 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,880 the EU Commission and said, so we have a solution which we call 695 00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,280 it the trusted. I want to look at that name 696 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,400 again. They call they call it the 697 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:07,160 trusted system agent and into I'm quoting them again an 698 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:11,520 intermediary that would allow virtual assistants to safely 699 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,520 access the same features and capabilities as Siri AI for 700 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,200 devices in the EU. So basically like a middleman 701 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:27,280 for 3rd party AIS to yeah to to work like Siri AI on iOS and 702 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,120 iPad OS in the EU. And they said yeah, the EU 703 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,160 Commission said no. So when you come out reading 704 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,920 this you're like well the EU is an asshole what the heck? 705 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:42,160 What do you mean they want to they want to 1st Apple to let 706 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,600 the users data free or I don't know. 707 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,160 Sure, that's what it sounds like. 708 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,920 That's what it says even it's not what it sounds like they're 709 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,080 saying. Remember, the quote was the 710 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,880 quote. I'm quote, I'm quoting them. 711 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,480 The EU Commission wants us to give any AI system unlimited 712 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,960 access to a user's device. This is a quote from the press 713 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,720 release. OK, so when you look into it and 714 00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:15,480 you think for two seconds, but my first thought last night, 715 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,120 before we had any additional context, my first thought was, 716 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,640 so it's a take like it's my opinion. 717 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:28,800 What really happened is with Siri, AI, Apple, they decided to 718 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:34,720 develop a brand new OS feature that's central to the OS, that's 719 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:36,560 central to many of the new features. 720 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:42,680 They decided to develop that knowing that it would not meet 721 00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:46,360 the DMA requirements. Why do I know that they were 722 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,640 knowing that? Because they've been subjected 723 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,640 to the DMA now since 2023. So it's been three years. 724 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,880 So there's no way we know that they started work on this like 725 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,800 last year, year and a half ago. So obviously they were already 726 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,800 under the DNA. They knew the requirements they 727 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,360 had to meet and yet decided to move on is what I'm seeing. 728 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,480 And then they went to the Commission with this proposal of 729 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:16,040 a technical solution and they said, look, it's not ready, but 730 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,200 we would have to. And since it's not ready, we 731 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,920 would have to roll this out over an 18 month period. 732 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:29,720 And my opinion is EU Commission was like lol what do you mean 733 00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:34,000 you plan to disobey the DMA again for the next 18 months 734 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,240 even though we already find you for the like, for the fact that 735 00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:42,240 you were not in compliance for the DMA and the DMA in on many 736 00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:46,960 counts. And the end of the story, Apple 737 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,960 releases this press release because the driver show that the 738 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:56,360 EU is being mean to them, then actually find a way to release 739 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,160 Siri AI at the same time everywhere in the world. 740 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,000 Yeah. And just before we start 741 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,160 recording, the EU Commission held a press relief as they do 742 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:14,280 every week or every morning. And so in a press briefing 743 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,600 today, as we're recording on the 9th EU Commission spokesperson 744 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:23,160 Tomas Renier stated that Apple was simply unable to develop 745 00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:27,400 interpretability solutions that meet essential EU privacy and 746 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,880 security standards. So like the saying, the contrary 747 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:35,320 to Apple here, like the saying, Apple was not able to develop a 748 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,000 solution that meets our security and privacy standards. 749 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,440 So we have completely opposite discourses here on either ends. 750 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:47,840 And he also says, which confirms my take from last night, he also 751 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:53,640 says that basically that the inability to release Syria in 752 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:58,960 the EU before 18 months while being in compliance with the DMA 753 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:04,880 was a no go for them basically. And so looks like I'm right. 754 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:10,840 Looks like basically the EU Commission was like, OK, so 755 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,280 you're telling me that you will just spend a year and a half 756 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:19,080 developing this major new central OS feature knowing that 757 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:20,760 you would not meet the requirements that you're 758 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:25,520 supposed to like, respect. And you're telling me you don't 759 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,760 want to respect it for the next 18 months and next year and a 760 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,080 half, even though we already find you? 761 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:37,960 And yeah, so anyway, I just wanted like to present the full 762 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:44,040 thing here because I'm feeling that some commenters out there 763 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,360 are already seeing the the headlines from yesterday, some 764 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,880 people presenting this news that are like, oh, EU, the EU is 765 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,480 being mean to Apple, blah, blah, blah. 766 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:59,560 Like Apple is not saying. I think Apple is not being truly 767 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,600 honest, or at least they're being purposefully deceitful 768 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:08,840 about the full story here. And yeah, the EU, they're not 769 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:14,080 going to flinch it seems anyway. So yeah, what do you? 770 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:28,960 Think, I mean it is a little, it is interesting that the DNA has 771 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:33,200 been around for a while and this feature was developed and 772 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,320 doesn't seem to have taken it into account. 773 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:45,520 Yeah, I don't see. What's blocking the EU 774 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,000 Commission from agreeing to their proposal? 775 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,960 Yeah. I'm guessing like, and also the 776 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,880 wording in Apple's press release is interesting because they're 777 00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,600 saying the EU Commission said no. 778 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,640 And they say this right after they said we plan to roll out a 779 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,440 solution over an 18 month period. 780 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,120 So they make it sound like I'm not saying they're lying, I'm 781 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,800 saying maybe it's purposefully written in that order. 782 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:21,480 It sounds like the EU Commission said no to the technical 783 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:27,600 solution that they proposed. Instead it seems to me like 784 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:32,320 after hearing the press briefing from the EU Commission, what 785 00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:37,320 they said no to was not the solution itself, but rather the 786 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,480 18 month periods thing. The fact that it was not ready. 787 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,080 But at the same time, EU Commission also said that it did 788 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:50,400 not meet the privacy and security standards, but not 789 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,280 clear why what that points to precisely yet. 790 00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,240 Out of curiosity, did they also I need to look at this The 791 00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:02,880 Newsroom? Did they post something about 792 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,760 the China availability as well? I'm guessing no. 793 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,640 No, I don't. I've not seen that, no. 794 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,560 Because they this is a thing, they tend to complain loudly 795 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:19,000 about the EU requirements and then quietly do the China stuff. 796 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:23,160 But like in the in the keynote after Craig said like, hey, it's 797 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:27,000 not going to be available in the EU, He also said it's completely 798 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,680 unavailable. It's like Siri is completely 799 00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,560 unavailable in China as well. But there's no press release 800 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:37,720 complaining about the Chinese government, you know, 801 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:44,040 interesting. So yeah, Oh my God, let's. 802 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:58,800 Get out. Well, yeah, I think in the the 803 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,880 the full story is not before eyes here. 804 00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:09,560 I, I, I think it closely resembles what I'm saying more 805 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,000 than what they are saying. They are saying on in their 806 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:19,480 press release, Apple. I think it's more like the EU 807 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,680 Commission is not having it anymore. 808 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:26,840 They just don't want to give any more exemptions like whatever, 809 00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:34,400 whether that's an 18 month delay or plain exemption, they are not 810 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,280 having it. And Apple showing up with a new 811 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,800 central OS feature that they're not able to release and with no 812 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:48,840 interoperability, I think obviously that's not going to go 813 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,960 through well with the EU, obviously. 814 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,600 Yeah, I, I don't know, it's a bit of, he said, she said. 815 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,680 But I do think it is an interesting thing. 816 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,320 Both Apple and the United States government are not used to 817 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,720 people saying no to them and like holding their ground. 818 00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,240 And that is the thing we are starting to experience more and 819 00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:17,360 more in both fronts, which is just just notable. 820 00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:22,200 Yeah, yeah, definitely. What's happening here is that 821 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:27,600 maybe they were not expecting them to say no is maybe the 822 00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,520 thing. Yeah. 823 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:37,920 Or you could have the nefarious interpretation where they were 824 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,600 expecting them to say no and this is just another way for 825 00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:48,960 them to push. Back, we'll let our listeners 826 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,680 decide what they think. I don't know, I it's probably a 827 00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,320 mix. It's probably they want to do 828 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,760 things their way they do want to do. 829 00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,320 I think they'd probably have genuine concerns about privacy. 830 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,000 They talked about that a lot. They're like our models compared 831 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,080 to the other guys, which we won't name but are clearly we're 832 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,120 talking about open AI and Anthropic and Google. 833 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,240 They don't care about privacy. We do. 834 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:17,240 And you know, I, I could see why they wouldn't necessarily want 835 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,640 open AI full access to all of your stuff. 836 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:26,400 But yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I suppose from the E US 837 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:32,920 point of view, they are giving full access to Google's AI and 838 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:39,120 that's not a problem for them. From the press briefing that I 839 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,600 saw today, it seems like because at some point the spokesperson 840 00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,320 highlights that he says, by the way, they had new series powered 841 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,840 by AI and that doesn't seem to bother them. 842 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,960 So seems like it's a point of argument for them. 843 00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,680 Yeah, OK. Well, we'll see how this 844 00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,920 develops and I'm sure everyone will be happy. 845 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,760 It'll be. Yeah. 846 00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:08,040 We are running out of time, but I did want to bring up one thing 847 00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,120 that immediately made me think of Neo Leon when I saw it come 848 00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:15,320 up, which is Airpods now have an equalizer. 849 00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:17,640 Yeah. Do you have any feelings about 850 00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:19,160 this? What do you think I'm feeling? 851 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,280 I'm guessing skepticism, although some level of 852 00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:30,520 excitement. I could not care less about EQ 853 00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:35,400 on Airpods, you know, You know what's actually missing from the 854 00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:40,680 Apples OSS in general and it's looks like it still is. 855 00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:47,760 Is a system wide EQ This like if you want to tailor to audio 856 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,680 people in general, this is what you want to add. 857 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,560 You want to add a system wide EQ? 858 00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:57,480 There's not one on Mac OS, not on iPad OS, not on iOS either. 859 00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:03,680 So this is like a Band-Aid on something that wasn't that 860 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:07,640 nobody was asking you for, because why would you EQ your 861 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:13,360 Airpods like I don't? You could. 862 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,880 I mean, there's people who don't like how the new Airpods sounds. 863 00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:22,520 Sure, but it's like it's it doesn't bring anything super 864 00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,640 exciting to EQ your Airpods of all things. 865 00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,800 I would like to EQ my fancy headphones when I plug them into 866 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,560 my iPhone is what I would like to do. 867 00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,680 See. So for that I need a system wide 868 00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:40,000 EQ not not Airpods EQ. OK, OK, well, I wildly 869 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,920 miscalculated. I thought you'd be excited. 870 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,800 I could not careless. And yeah, I think most people 871 00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,680 will agree with me. The customer for Airpods will 872 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,400 just be fine for people who stumble upon it in settings. 873 00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,200 OK. Yeah, nobody's going to look for 874 00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,200 that. It's just you stumble upon that. 875 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:00,880 That's fun. OK, fine. 876 00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:09,040 Yeah, OK, well, I tried. One thing that is exciting, I 877 00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:13,680 think is Apple stole a feature from Android, which is, you 878 00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,240 know, at this point that's you can just steal it from each 879 00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:19,920 other on Android for a very long time. 880 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,200 You know how on iPhone, on the iPhone and iPad and everything, 881 00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,080 like when you get a text message with a code, it like you go to 882 00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,800 like a if you're in a text field, it suggests like you 883 00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,440 should paste this code. For years now, Android has had a 884 00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,800 they have, they do have that, but they also have when you copy 885 00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,200 something to your clipboard and then you go to a text field or 886 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,200 any sort of input, it is the suggested thing. 887 00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,960 You can just hit a button to paste what you just copied and 888 00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:47,400 it's great. It's lovely. 889 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,640 And Apple added that this year. So if you copy something and 890 00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,000 then go to something like copy URL in Safari and then switch to 891 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:58,480 messages, it will like when you just like open the the thread, 892 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,280 it'll say like paste from Safari and it'll show a preview of the 893 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,560 URL. And it's, it's so good. 894 00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,320 OK, I love it. Yeah, that's nice. 895 00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,160 Do we still have time so I can quickly talk about Safari? 896 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,840 Oh yes, OK, let's bring it home with Safari. 897 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,520 Yes, bring it up with Safari. We have the browser podcast. 898 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:23,520 I think it's like I'm curious from afar about what's happening 899 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,440 with Safari. So there's that feature we 900 00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:31,920 mentioned earlier where you can looks like vibe code extensions. 901 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,960 I don't know how that works. You can ask Safari to create an 902 00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,440 extension for you and it will do it. 903 00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,400 So that's OK. I'm not sure we'll find A use 904 00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:46,960 for that. But so the UI I'm because it's 905 00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,520 like obviously getting the treat, the full liquid matte, 906 00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,400 liquid glass update treatment updated. 907 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:57,400 So sure, it means it seems from screenshot that Safari looks a 908 00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:03,600 bit nicer compared to Tahoe. So that's one thing. 909 00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:09,200 The second thing I've read from thewebkit.org blog post where 910 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,120 basically every year when there's a major release of 911 00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:15,880 Safari, they detail all the technical improvements of 912 00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:22,520 grades, new standards that are adopted and new CSS stuff, blah, 913 00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,120 blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah, the renderer HTML, 914 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,640 etcetera. But if you look at like some of 915 00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:33,800 the performance sections, I'm curious whether that translates 916 00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,720 to real life or not. They're saying, for instance, 917 00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:42,840 that JavaScript performance is massively improved, like a bunch 918 00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,280 of technical stuff under the hood is supposed to be massively 919 00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:47,840 improved in terms of performance. 920 00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:52,040 And they mentioned many times that it really should be that it 921 00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:56,600 should help with web apps. Like they mentioned that by 922 00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:00,560 name, web apps should perform much better in Safari, which is 923 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:04,360 one of like the low points of Safari right now is it will not 924 00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:09,880 perform well with like more complex weather apps, even not 925 00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,520 that complex weather apps such as YouTube. 926 00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:17,720 So yeah, Yep. So I'm curious from afar like 927 00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,000 it. I'm very tempted to either 928 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:25,200 install the technology preview on my Mac to check it out 929 00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,240 because it should have all the in the hood improvements without 930 00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:32,040 the UI. Or maybe you just upgrade to a 931 00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,960 developer beta soon than rather than later because it seems that 932 00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,240 it's fine. It seems that the Golden Gate 933 00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:44,240 beta is fine. The Golden Gate beta has been 934 00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:48,240 generally fine for me. One thing I will say is Xcode. 935 00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,800 You must use the Xcode beta on the Golden Gate. 936 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,560 Yeah, I saw that. Which means I guess you're not 937 00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:56,640 distributing through the app stores. 938 00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:00,080 That might be OK for you, but for me it means I cannot use 939 01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,600 this on my main. This is actually finally the 940 01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:04,600 thing that'll make me not installed on my main Mac 941 01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:11,280 immediately. But yeah, I think it will be 942 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,200 interesting. I actually watched the Web Kit 943 01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,800 developer talk where they talked about here's all the things we 944 01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,080 did for web Kit. And I do think like, I think 945 01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:21,760 like he's talked about with the liquid Glass. 946 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:24,800 People being like, Apple did it right. 947 01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,600 This is why they've done it perfectly. 948 01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,800 They'll never do a slider. And the next year they change 949 01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,680 these things and now there's a slider, which is very funny 950 01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,280 whenever I complain about Safari, people are like, well, 951 01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,520 Safari does it right. They don't do it first 952 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,840 necessarily, but that's because there's security reasons they 953 01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,040 they do it best and it was very funny watching this developer 954 01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:47,000 talk where like the head of Webkit at Apple, she's like, 955 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,840 yeah, we've, yeah, we implemented these things and we 956 01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:51,600 did them wrong. We made some mistakes, so thank 957 01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,960 you for your feedback. And we've we're fixing them and 958 01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,320 we know that we've kind of, we're not as performant as like 959 01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:59,880 Chrome. Chromium is faster than Webkit 960 01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:02,160 at this point. So Webkit they were, they 961 01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,920 enjoyed that time at the top. But like they do need to catch 962 01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,320 up. But it is funny to like it is 963 01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,680 always funny. I think when people say Apple is 964 01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,320 flawless and what Apple's doing right now is exactly what they 965 01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:14,920 should be doing. And then Apple themselves is 966 01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:18,000 like, yeah, we screwed up guys. We're we're working on it and 967 01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,000 it's like. Yeah. 968 01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,400 Yeah, it's, it's very funny to me. 969 01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,600 We can officially say, Matt, that Apple has agreed with us 970 01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,400 with all our apples Safari. Absolutely. 971 01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:34,400 Apple always agrees with us. Yeah, especially they agree that 972 01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:38,240 Safari sucks and should be dealt with like this. 973 01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,120 They have to. It should be dealt with 974 01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:45,800 appropriately. Assassinated is what? 975 01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,000 OK, OK. We're just saying that no. 976 01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,440 No, no, no, no. I would like Safari to be to be 977 01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,320 good. It should be good. 978 01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,680 I'm I would honestly like. To use Safari. 979 01:01:55,800 --> 01:02:00,880 Yeah, I'm sad not to be using it like I, I will say. 980 01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,840 Yeah. OK. 981 01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,480 Well, all right. I think that's it. 982 01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:15,160 See you, I predict right now maybe in 2028 Siri AI will be in 983 01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:20,040 some way available in the EU or something and I will review that 984 01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,360 in that time. So OK. 985 01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:25,840 Mark your calendars, people. Yeah, yeah. 986 01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,840 I will review it three years later. 987 01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,120 Five years? I don't know, maybe 10 years. 988 01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:37,040 OK, well that will be fun. And by then comfort zone will 989 01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:40,320 be, I don't know, on the moon or something that's too far away. 990 01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,400 You. Didn't think about so Untitled, 991 01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,080 yeah. Oh, that'd be fun. 992 01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,240 Yeah, that. Oh, that'd be a new spatial 993 01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,480 environment on the Vision Pro. I didn't even get to talk about 994 01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,080 that. You can make panoramic photos 995 01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,600 environments on your Vision Pro. I wasn't able to do that because 996 01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,080 it. Took me nobody cares it's. 997 01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,520 OK, it took me an hour to install the update on the vision 998 01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,400 pro. I was going to do it before I we 999 01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,280 worked this, we did this recording this morning, but it 1000 01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:04,360 took forever. So I. 1001 01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,520 I was surprised that they spent so much time about Vision OS in 1002 01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,960 the keynote like. Yeah. 1003 01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,320 Somehow they want people to know it's there. 1004 01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,720 They they're not running away from it yet. 1005 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:21,160 So anyway, this podcast is actually almost as long as the 1006 01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:22,720 keynote itself, which was very short. 1007 01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:27,240 So thank you for doing this weird episode of Comfort Zone 1008 01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,280 where there's two, but kind of three now, two of us. 1009 01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,880 Again, we didn't go over topics, we didn't do a challenge. 1010 01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:33,200 We'll be back to normal next week. 1011 01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:37,880 But yeah, anything you wanted to plug this time outside of Tiny 1012 01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:39,240 Start, which will now be linked below. 1013 01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:44,160 Yeah, oh, Oh yeah, I saw. So again, we already said this 1014 01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:49,960 earlier in earlier show, but some people have been mentioning 1015 01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,560 me on Mastodon because they saw the the keynote and they're 1016 01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,560 like, Oh no, they're adding AI to my spotlight. 1017 01:03:56,560 --> 01:04:00,640 But thankfully next, thanks to tiny starts, I will have a 1018 01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:04,440 launch of about AI. So sure, if that's the way for 1019 01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,200 you to try a tiny start, you should. 1020 01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:09,640 It's a great reason to try out a tiny start. 1021 01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,280 Everyone should try out a tiny start. 1022 01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:17,000 Yeah, and apparently it runs well on the beta 1, so I've been 1023 01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:18,520 told. Nice. 1024 01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,240 OK, well, that's it for us. Thank you for listening. 1025 01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:25,400 It's Mac Stories podcast. You know the deal and we'll see 1026 01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:26,680 you here next time. Bye bye. 1027 01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:27,720 Yes, bye, bye.