1 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:06,800 Welcome to Comfort Zone, a podcast all about pushing your 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,480 host well outside of their comfort zone. 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:13,160 I'm Christopher Lawley and I can't believe I remembered all 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,640 of that after not saying it for a few weeks now. 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,160 Typically I'm joined by two incredible Co hosts, but this 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,040 week I'm only joined by one big business boy. 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:27,120 Birchler is off doing hostile takeovers, so I'm joined by 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:28,920 newly on this week. Newly on how are you? 9 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:34,360 I'm fine, except Matt hates us. He does he's he's doing big 10 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,760 business boys stuff. He's like going up to 11 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,080 corporations, like cleaning house, like he's, he's going in 12 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,160 with like a power suit and all that stuff. 13 00:00:43,160 --> 00:00:45,720 Like not not a good, not a good guy. 14 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,280 That one. You know, he's just he's he's 15 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:53,560 he's destroying people's lives. He's like he's like the bad guy 16 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:58,800 from the Christmas movie where the dude dies and sees where his 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,320 life if he never existed. It's a wonderful life. 18 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:03,760 Thank you. Wow, could not think of. 19 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,160 It yes. Die hard, yes. 20 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,520 Die hard. Also die hard Anyways is not 21 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,520 Christmas season, it is WWDC season. 22 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,080 But before that we have some tiny topics and I think you put 23 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,160 this one in here, right? Did I? 24 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:24,840 But yes, we got, yeah, we got a listener feedback from NJ. 25 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,360 I don't know how to pronounce your. 26 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,880 Yeah, Eugene. Oh, maybe it's Eugene. 27 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,080 No. No, definitely not. 28 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,040 No, it's not. I'm sorry. 29 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,560 It's early here. Riley kept me up almost all. 30 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:43,960 Night UNJAE, they wrote. I also grew up pronouncing GUY 31 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:46,800 just like Matt and Nilian. So GUY. 32 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,320 By the way, I'm from Korea and if you pronounce it gooey like 33 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,400 Chris, it means barbecue in Korean. 34 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,120 Always messes up my friend when people do that. 35 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:04,600 I love Korean BBQ so this just further like makes me think I am 36 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,120 right and the rest of you are wrong because Korean BBQ is 37 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:09,520 great. It is good. 38 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,920 I love Korean BBQ so I agree on food. 39 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,320 I I feel like I'm being vindicated right now. 40 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,640 OK. OK Korean BBQ with some diet 41 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:25,760 doctor pepper but to me like. When I hear gooey I see in my 42 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:30,120 head the word G double OEYC some. 43 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,320 Again, a good word. I think I'm being vindicated. 44 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,800 Here. OK, OK, OK. 45 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,880 Always feel free to send very important feedback such as this 46 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:46,880 one using the feedback form. We are a hard hitting news show. 47 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,360 Look, with the demise of CBS News in 60 Minutes, somebody 48 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,320 needed to pick up the slack and that's us. 49 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,720 That's us here at Comfort Zone. We are a hard hitting news show. 50 00:02:55,920 --> 00:02:59,720 So you need to send in feedback like this so we can continue the 51 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:01,840 hard hitting news. That's correct. 52 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,160 Anyways, feedback link in the form. 53 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:09,720 Matt, that's your reminder. I, I wanted to say I finally, I 54 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,440 finally did it. Neil Leon after five years, five 55 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,920 years, I finally packed light for WWDCI. 56 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:20,400 Didn't bring a big backpack. I didn't bring a camera, I 57 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,640 didn't bring a tripod. I finally did it. 58 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,120 I packed light and you know what? 59 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,200 It was totally fine. No Vision Pro. 60 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,080 No, no, I've never taken a vision pro I saw. 61 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,800 I saw photos of people wearing the Vision Pro at at the 62 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,520 keynote. Oh God. 63 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:40,840 I I've also seen the very first WWDC after the Vision Pros out 64 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,280 and available for everyone. I saw some guy walking around 65 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,000 Apple Park with the Vision Pro on. 66 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,840 I was like, what are you doing? Come on. 67 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:55,680 Anyways, enough about that. This week on Cozy Zone, we 68 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:00,480 drafted our other 3 apps. You might remember from a couple 69 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,040 maybe a month or so ago, we did a challenge. 70 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,160 It was Matt's challenge where we had to pick our top three apps 71 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,320 like our, our, our desert island apps, if you will. 72 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:14,960 And so we picked basically 4-5 and six for this list. 73 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,560 And I think, I think we did. I had some pretty interesting 74 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,880 takes if you're not aware, cuz he's zone is our members only 75 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,720 show. 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Yeah. 86 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,560 So I was, I was talking to John Voorhees at WWDC. 87 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,840 And so we are comfort zone is available on Spotify and you get 88 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:10,160 the video version and you could do the thing where you could 89 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:14,120 toggle between the audio and the video version because our, the 90 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,760 way our podcast is edited, it's it's literally the audio version 91 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,120 and the video version of the same. 92 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:24,080 But like he has to upload that separately and he can't upload 93 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:28,040 it until the episode is live. So like he can't like pre 94 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,520 upload. It's a whole like Spotify is a 95 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,240 whole mess. It doesn't make any sense 96 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,360 whatsoever. So I just checked on Spotify and 97 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,200 actually you can click like links now. 98 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:41,720 It's just that it's rendering like it's not a rendering 99 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,320 markdown or something. It looks weird. 100 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,160 Yeah, but you can't. You can click the links. 101 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,720 So that's something. That's annoying. 102 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,680 But. Why would you want to be on a 103 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,160 platform, the same platform as Joe Rogan? 104 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:01,640 You know that's. True, I mean YouTube is also a 105 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,560 place where people bad people are. 106 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,360 So hey, hey, hey, hey. Yeah, but YouTube pays my 107 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,520 mortgage. So we're not we're not 108 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,840 cancelling YouTube today because mortgage bills coming up. 109 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:14,720 So. Sounds good. 110 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,680 OK, OK, cool, cool, cool, cool. I'm glad we can cherry pick 111 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,760 that. Anyways, we have some topics. 112 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,720 I think we have some similar topics, so do you want to just 113 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,280 dive right into it? Yes. 114 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:29,160 So I want to talk about the betas because we've probably 115 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,600 installed some betas, you and I. But first we were having a 116 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,600 discussion of the air that we thought we should have on the 117 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:42,840 air like because I'm so last week we talked about the DMA and 118 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:47,720 because Apple remember is refusing like is not releasing 119 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,480 Syria AI in the EU because of the DMA. 120 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,000 You guys had that discussion after I I had a, I had a jump, 121 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,480 but I I listened to it on my drive home and it was very good. 122 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,880 But I do have some thoughts. All right, go ahead. 123 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:03,840 I want to hear your thoughts. OK, all right. 124 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:07,240 So basically to sum it up, they're not releasing Siri AI in 125 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,680 the EU because of it can't support the interoperability 126 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,440 essentially, and please correct me if I'm wrong here, but 127 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:18,880 essentially this means you can't pull out Apple's LLM for, you 128 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,280 know, ChatGPT or Clod or something like that, correct? 129 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:27,640 What? No, no, it's like basically. 130 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:33,280 So it's the Siri AI that's being withheld in the EU, Yes. 131 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,280 So that's like the new chatbot experience basically. 132 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,080 Yes. And the everything else is 133 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,640 there. All the Apple intelligence AI 134 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,960 features are there. Yes, and the reason why the Siri 135 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:49,400 AI chatbot thing isn't is being withheld is because you can't 136 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,080 swap in clod or ChatGPT or something like that like other. 137 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,040 Yeah, that's correct that sorry, maybe I didn't, I didn't explain 138 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:57,520 it very well, but that's what I was trying to get at. 139 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,920 So essentially you can't pull out apples and put another one 140 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:02,520 in. Right. 141 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,240 Yes, yes, that's the thing. And I have a thought on that. 142 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:12,760 Why would you want to? Because if you did do this, you 143 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:17,600 would have to allow Grok and Elon Musk in because there's no 144 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:22,120 way you could get around not letting Grok and Elon Musk in. 145 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:27,200 So at that point, do we really want to? 146 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:34,679 And the way Apple is doing the privacy stuff is way better than 147 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:38,120 every other AI company out there, including Google. 148 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,799 I know they're using part of the Google Frontier models, not 149 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:43,880 Gemini. That was something we all got 150 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:45,080 wrong. We all thought it was just going 151 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,160 to be Gemini slapped in there. It's not. 152 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,280 It's Google Frontier models that Apple has been working on. 153 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:52,960 And basically there's the Google site. 154 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,560 Gemini in the keynote by names, did. 155 00:08:56,560 --> 00:08:59,960 But it's not, I think that was more of like a, we're making 156 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:03,160 this easy for people to understand, but it's really like 157 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:08,840 the Google Frontier models with Apple stuff and also some NVIDIA 158 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,080 security stuff in there as well. O there's like multile levels of 159 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:16,240 security and privacy and to the point where if ALE is not the 160 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:21,440 last person to touch a server, your phone and the chatbot will 161 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:26,040 not connect to it and come back. So like Google can't get back 162 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,560 and or Google can't be in there, NVIDIA can't be in there, Other 163 00:09:29,560 --> 00:09:32,480 companies can't be in there. It has to be Apple was the last 164 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,480 one to touch it. And I don't know about you, but 165 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,600 as far as privacy goes, out of the big tech companies, Apple's 166 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:38,880 the one that I'm going to trust the most. 167 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:46,080 OK, so here's the thing. OK, so 1st I want to say 168 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,640 something that's very like, very important regard, like to 169 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:55,160 understand where I'm coming from because I'm in this situation 170 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,760 with, as always with Apple for the past few years, I find 171 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:03,080 myself defending the EU Commission's position, even 172 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,120 though I absolutely hate those guys. 173 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:18,440 The EU right now is governed by Conservative A holes and I don't 174 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:24,480 know like liberal kind of people who are obsessed with the market 175 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,840 law like the the anyway, you see what I mean? 176 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:32,000 Bunch of right wing people that I hate and most of the stuff 177 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:38,120 they do I hate including like the DMA like in its philosophy, 178 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:44,280 I like what it's doing to tech giants like Apple and Google. 179 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:50,840 I don't like where it fits in with all of the EU laws 180 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,280 basically anyway. Now zooming in on the DMA and 181 00:10:55,280 --> 00:11:02,040 Apple, why do I take the EU stands here as the one being 182 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,520 correct? So the argument that you just 183 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:13,800 said like is Apple's argument mostly like the basically to be 184 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:18,840 in compliance with the DMA, we would have to open up everything 185 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:23,920 to the third party AI providers so that they can work just like 186 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:29,400 Siri AI on iOS and iPad OS. And that's a security nightmare. 187 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:34,760 So that there's two things that don't understand, don't 188 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:39,080 understand in Apple's position here is first they say this, 189 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,400 right, They say we would have to open up everything and it would 190 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:47,800 not be secure. And they also say we have a 191 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:53,440 solution that would be secure and that the EU Commission is 192 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:57,640 refusing to allow us to implement, right, the trusted 193 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,680 system, agent, something, whatever. 194 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,040 Yeah, which I think that was the thing they said would take 195 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:04,520 another 18. Months. 18 months. 196 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,240 Exactly to to build. So I'm just highlighting this 197 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,240 right out of that, like they're saying both things at the same 198 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,000 time. They're saying it would be 199 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:17,080 unsecure, but also here we have a secure solution that they're 200 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,520 not willing to accept. I OK, so I, I think I have a 201 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,280 little bit of more information on this that maybe I can shed 202 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:24,880 some light. So I think what, what they're 203 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,360 saying it, it's two different deals. 204 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,880 In order to bring it to the EU today, we would have to 205 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,640 basically just let every AI company and, and do what they 206 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,160 want. And the way the Siri AI works is 207 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,160 it's not building a memory dot MD file. 208 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,280 It's literally indexing your device. 209 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,200 In fact, I can see it on my devices right now. 210 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,400 It's indexing your device. It's getting all of your 211 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,520 information and do you want to trust open AI with all of that 212 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:56,840 or grok with that? Like that is where I think Apple 213 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,760 is coming from for the Today stuff. 214 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:03,400 And then their, their second thing is they're like, hey, and, 215 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,160 and I, I do agree with you on this. 216 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,600 It's like they're like, hey, let us bring it to the EU today and 217 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,480 we'll have something in 18 months that'll work with all of 218 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,760 these. And I can see where the EU is 219 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,760 like eh, we don't trust you bro, Like you. 220 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,640 Either have it. Today or and like that, I get 221 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,320 like that that I do get like you either need to have that 222 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:28,000 solution today and bring that to everyone or you need to wait 223 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,360 until you have it. Yeah, that's the thing. 224 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,440 So I was just highlighting that they think two things at the 225 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:38,320 same time, that it's impossible to do it secure in a secure way. 226 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,600 And also we have a secure way that the EU is refusing. 227 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:46,640 And just like you said, the reason the EU is refusing is 228 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,320 because they're not able to do it before 18 months. 229 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,440 And if you look at the EU statement, the EU Commission's 230 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,200 statement from last week, and there's been another since 231 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,040 basically the same thing, they're basically saying still 232 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,320 saying the same thing. What they're saying is that 233 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:12,800 there's no way, like we will let you roam the EU with this new 234 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:18,200 feature that's not compliant with the DMA. 235 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,160 Like you're supposed to obey the law now, not in 18 months. 236 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,480 And like the spokesperson in question says, even says, like 237 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,600 they basically Apple was asking for an exemption and we're not 238 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,040 willing to grant an exemption. So that's the thing. 239 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,960 And there's also the thing that most people seem to forget here 240 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,600 is that this is like, this is a law, right? 241 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,520 It's in effect. It's been in effect since 2023. 242 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:47,920 Apple has been the subject to the law since 2023 for both iOS 243 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,720 and iPad OS. IPad OS came a bit slightly 244 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,880 later, but still. That's right, yeah. 245 00:14:53,000 --> 00:15:00,000 Yeah, so like in 2023, they were still working on the first 246 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,400 version of Apple Intelligence, barely. 247 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,960 And they since started from scratch, as we all know. 248 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:13,200 And anyway, all of this to say, they were, they started all of 249 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:19,400 this fully aware that it would not work out with the DMA, which 250 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:24,760 like if you take a lawmaker's position here, a law enforcer's 251 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:29,600 position even, which is the, the commission's position, like this 252 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,160 is not acceptable. Like what do you mean? 253 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,760 You started something working on something brand new. 254 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,720 That's the, the law was already in effect. 255 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,240 You already had all the terms of the law and you decided not to 256 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,880 be compliant and to release it to the entire world except us 257 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:52,880 and tell the world that it's our fault that it it's ready in 18 258 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:54,280 months. Like what do you mean? 259 00:15:54,840 --> 00:16:00,280 So, and for the, for that from that position, like I cannot, I 260 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:04,400 just cannot understand how Apple can get away with this like 261 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,920 this. I, you know what, I agree. 262 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,920 Like if you're not happy with the DMA, sure. 263 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:16,440 With all the features. Like honestly, personally, I 264 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,640 don't, I don't really care. Just with all the features, 265 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,480 that's fine. But the discourse that they 266 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,160 like, the little discourse that they're maintaining around this 267 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:32,160 is so nefarious. Like I hate it so much and I 268 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,360 hate that it's working so well with people because people are 269 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,800 just repeating Apple's. Like when I see people, I see 270 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,240 like, I mean, most tech commenters that are based in the 271 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:48,200 US mostly are just repeating Apple's rhetoric here without 272 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,240 like just thinking about it for 2 seconds. 273 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:55,760 Like you can't just do a thing that disobeying the law for 18 274 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,480 months. And like, if you're not happy, 275 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,840 go to go to court, whatever, do something that's lawful. 276 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:09,359 That's that you can do. But just accusing the anyway you 277 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,240 you get what I mean. Yeah, no, I do. 278 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,160 And I, I agree with you, for the record, like I, I do agree with 279 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,440 you. I just, I, I see both sides and 280 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:23,359 I see to me it's, it's not that they willingly disobey. 281 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,839 I don't know, maybe I am buying into Apple stuff. 282 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:29,360 But it's not that they willingly disobey. 283 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:34,360 It's that in order to get a system that would be the level 284 00:17:34,360 --> 00:17:37,960 of privacy that they want and open like the EU would want, 285 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,480 it's going to take another 18 months because I. 286 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,560 Believe that, by the way, yeah. And I don't think they can do 287 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:49,080 this right now and be in compliance like the way the way 288 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,400 that would be satisfactory to them and to the EU at the same 289 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:53,840 time. I fully believe that they need 290 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,400 another 18 months. The issue is they need the 18 291 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,160 months. Like how come this is not 292 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,840 anticipated? Clearly they're prioritizing 293 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:06,560 being able to ship this right now. 294 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,920 Oh absolutely 100% like what 1000% they are. 295 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:15,040 They are prioritizing shipping now and we will get it to the 296 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:19,440 places that it can go versus and then we'll deal with everything 297 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:23,120 else later. I'm just saying from Apple, from 298 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:28,960 the E US point of view, the opposition makes full sense to 299 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,800 me. Like I do not see a flaw in the 300 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,160 EU Commission's rezoning with this. 301 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,760 Yeah, no. And, and I do agree with you. 302 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,680 Like if it's the law of the land, that's the that's the law 303 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,120 of the land. At least you live in a place 304 00:18:42,120 --> 00:18:43,840 that respects the law of the land. 305 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,040 Yeah. Anyway, and you know, it's so 306 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,600 frustrating for me because I hate those guys. 307 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,920 The Commission, they're the worst, like right, Especially 308 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:01,640 right now maybe, like maybe next European elections, we will have 309 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,960 a full left wing majority in European Parliament and the 310 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,760 Commission will be all left wing and I will be happy with those 311 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,120 guys. Right now I'm not. 312 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:15,520 But still like I think this is in the context of capitalism, of 313 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,320 free market. I think the DMA makes a lot of 314 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:22,720 sense and enforcing, enforcing it makes sense, especially when 315 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:27,120 you've got tech giants like Apple who have and Google who 316 00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:30,360 have monopolistic positions in the market. 317 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,120 And the DMA is exactly that. It's meant to battle those 318 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:40,120 monopolistic positions. Yeah, iOS and iPad OS have been 319 00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:44,760 recognized under the DMA as monopolies, and This is why the 320 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,880 rules about apply to them. And that's it. 321 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,640 Yeah, all right. Anyway, Anyway, should we get 322 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,040 to? Yeah, so I was going to talk 323 00:19:55,040 --> 00:20:00,120 about the betas like I, I don't think there's much to say 324 00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:05,440 because I was saying to you guys in our convo, I so I installed 325 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,800 it on my iPhone only for now. I almost installed it right 326 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:14,000 before we record it, but I was. Worried for you? 327 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:15,000 For your. Sanity. 328 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,200 Thank you for not. Thank you for not doing that. 329 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,360 We've had enough issues with Riverside lately. 330 00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:26,560 Thank you. I'll do it later, but yes, how? 331 00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:30,280 How have you installed the beta? The betas? 332 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,280 How are they doing for you? I have the betas on just about 333 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:39,120 everything right now, iPhone, iPad, watch and the MacBook Neo. 334 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:40,880 I do not have it on the MacBook Pro. 335 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,840 The MacBook Pro will be the thing that that gets updated at 336 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,800 the absolute last. I will do it at the vision Pro 337 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,400 at on the vision Pro at some point, but I haven't I it's I 338 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,240 haven't used it since I got back since since I got back, I've had 339 00:20:55,320 --> 00:21:00,240 a world, one of family things happening and and it's been a 340 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,760 whole it's been a whole deal. So I have not had a ton of time, 341 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:09,240 but I have all the betas on everything and I'm pretty happy 342 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,560 for the most part. This this is, you know, it was 343 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,000 rumored that this would be a quote UN quote Snow Leopard 344 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,560 year. And while I don't, you know, 345 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,160 it's Snow Leopard was not the no new features that they claimed. 346 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,080 You know, that Steve Jobs said it was that there was actually a 347 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:25,680 bunch of features in Snow Leopard. 348 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,160 This kind of does fall along the path. 349 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,320 Like there's a lot of stuff that's been cleaned up. 350 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,480 Yeah, there's bugs. There's still bugs, but it's 351 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:37,800 also developer beta one. But yeah, things are things are 352 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,800 a lot faster or things feel a lot faster, a lot snappier. 353 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,120 I talked last week about like for example, in iPad OS, they 354 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:49,680 did a lot of work on not just speeding up animations, but also 355 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:54,720 on like CPU runtime stuff so that like apps open faster, apps 356 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,640 close faster, you can switch between apps faster. 357 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,680 And it just, it does feel snappier. 358 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:05,320 It really does. I I kind of agree. 359 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:10,920 So I I've only got it on my phone and so the snow leopard 360 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,320 thing, I think yeah, it's very true. 361 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,400 Like I installed it was very happy about the new look of 362 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,320 liquid glass. The slider all the way to the 363 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,480 right. You pushed it. 364 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,560 On that tiger look, that brush metal. 365 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,520 And. Not really. 366 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,400 I I will say it looks very good on Mac OS. 367 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:36,400 The I have it on the Mac O deal. It looks good on Mac OS. 368 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:41,680 You're going to be very happy. But even on iOS, I'm glad, like 369 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,440 even on iOS, the toolbars, like there are real toolbars when you 370 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:50,000 scroll, so there's no weird illegible things at the top when 371 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,200 you Scroll down in apps. Bunch of little tweaks, visual 372 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:59,520 tweaks here and there. The borders around the outlines, 373 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:04,800 like the thin outlines around elements, icons, etcetera is 374 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:10,760 weird at first, but then you look at all the screenshots and 375 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,920 you realize, yeah, this is better. 376 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,760 It makes a lot of sense. Like things detached from the 377 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,640 background way more easily. Like visually it's easier to 378 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:26,840 distinguish stuff. And I wanted to update on some 379 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,480 like something we mentioned last week. 380 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,120 Remember you mentioned like I will get the orb, the Siri orb 381 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:38,240 because I don't have Siri AI. And you're right, when I first 382 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:43,760 updated to iOS 7, I had the old Siri Orb back when I invoked 383 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,760 Siri. But now I've got the glow. 384 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:55,320 And I think the way this works is that when I first upgraded to 385 00:23:55,320 --> 00:24:02,480 iOS 727, Apple Intelligence wasn't really enabled. 386 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,240 And then it got enabled by itself because there's no toggle 387 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,600 anymore. You can't togle it off or on. 388 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,720 So it turned on by itself in the background, while I don't know 389 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,400 iOS was doing it stuff in the background and now I've got the 390 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,720 glow. So that's fine I guess. 391 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,560 I've got the glow. Does it still say? 392 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,920 If you go into settings, does it still say your phone is 393 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:31,520 indexing? Yeah, I've seen a Basically 394 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,480 everyone is still having that, yeah. 395 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,680 Yeah, OK, 'cause Federico and I are and I'll get to it in a 396 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,120 little bit, but basically I haven't been able to get third 397 00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:42,400 party apps to work with the Siri app. 398 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,080 Yeah, yeah, all of my device still say indexing, even my iPad 399 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,160 which got updated on Monday and has been plugged in overnight 400 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,680 every single night, so. Yeah, I wonder if it's just a 401 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,560 visual bug. Like I wonder if it's actually 402 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,800 done. It's it it I it is still 403 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,440 indexing because I literally can't get Siri the the so I have 404 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:07,000 access to the new Siri app. I have it and I cannot get it to 405 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,120 work with third party apps. OK, interesting. 406 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:12,440 Because of the because of this indexing issue, yeah. 407 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,720 Interesting. Oh yeah, yeah. 408 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,720 Because I just remembered like earlier today, I was typing in 409 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,200 Spotlight the name of a shortcut and he could not fight it. 410 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,440 So it's still indexing, yeah. It's actually still indexing. 411 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,560 So we were kind of told, I was going to say this for my 412 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,600 section, but it's kind of relevant now. 413 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,760 We were kind of told ahead of time that we needed to update to 414 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:43,000 26.6 public beta and I'm wondering if there's something 415 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,400 in there that does the indexing ahead of time because I didn't 416 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:53,360 do it until the night before the keynote and I I was supposed to 417 00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:59,040 do it like 3 weeks before. So I kind of wonder if that is 418 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,480 the issue. Wow, you think it's actually it? 419 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,680 It actually takes that long to. It just takes days and days. 420 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,960 I think I think it does. Wow, I. 421 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,840 I really, I do think it does because I mean, like I said, 422 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,200 either either the indexing is broken in developer beta one, 423 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,920 which I would be shocked because that's such a core feature. 424 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:25,600 I would be shocked if that's broken or it just takes that 425 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,560 long. Yeah, and some of the search is 426 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,880 working, so yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 427 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,560 And like I can work with third or first party apps. 428 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,680 So like I can get it to pull information from reminders, I 429 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,520 can get it to add stuff to notes, calendar, things like 430 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,760 that. Mail, I can get it to do stuff 431 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,640 like that. It's the third party apps that 432 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,240 I'm having issues with right now so. 433 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,600 Interesting, I've got this issue even though I'm not getting Siri 434 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:56,880 AI it's. Doing it, I think the indexing 435 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:01,280 thing is, is because so Spotlight has been completely 436 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,440 rebuilt from the ground up. It doesn't matter if you're 437 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,800 getting Siri AI or not. Spotlight on all the platforms 438 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,960 has been ripped apart and rebuilt from the ground up. 439 00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:13,000 So that's why I think it's having to do the index stuff all 440 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,120 over again. Yeah, OK. 441 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,280 Other things, other small things I've noticed that are really 442 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,440 nice in iOS 27. The weather app. 443 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,280 I've just seen the weather app. I have not actually. 444 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:31,280 Slightly updated so now like a few of the cards are merged like 445 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,080 not merge, but they are controlled by a single set of 446 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,160 toggles at the top. You can switch between 447 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:41,880 conditions, precipitations and wind and it's switches over the 448 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,240 view for all the cards below like the. 449 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,000 Three cards below. That's nice. 450 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:53,400 This is really nice, yeah. Oh hang on, so I so I don't so I 451 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,680 don't dox myself. Switch to another location, you 452 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,840 fool. Oh, yeah, you can't. 453 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,760 I forgot about that. Fly pools fly. 454 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,800 Yeah. Yeah, it's actually really nice. 455 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,920 Yeah, it's 80°. It's 8:00 in the morning and 456 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,240 it's 80° the feels like it's 85 outside. 457 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,040 It's so hot here. That number makes sense to me. 458 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,600 That's. Freedom units, by the way. 459 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:34,560 Another thing that I liked with iOS 27 is, oh, I can't find it 460 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:39,480 anymore. I had it open and I switched to 461 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,760 the weather app. So now I forgot what what I was 462 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,080 about to say. Oh, writing tools. 463 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,000 Oh yeah, writing tools are integrated like like the kind of 464 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,760 seamless Before you had to pull up the writing tools sheet and I 465 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,040 saw some people say it's gone. Actually, it's still there. 466 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,640 It is still there, yeah. I don't know why people said it 467 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,600 was gone, but it it's more integrated like the proofread 468 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,560 stuff is. Basically, it's a better 469 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,760 proofreading model now. Yeah, it highlights the words 470 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,680 that you can correct and stuff it. 471 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,160 It's nice. One little thing that's nice 472 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:23,120 when you speak French and English and use one phone in 473 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,040 both languages is that so you know how French in French we 474 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,080 have different quotes, like quotation marks. 475 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,720 OK, yeah, yeah. Now when using the bilingual 476 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,080 keyboard, so if you've got both English and French setup in your 477 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:45,120 iOS keyboard, when you tap the quotation mark, it will use the 478 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,840 correct quotation mark depending on the language you're typing 479 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,160 in. So if I'm typing something in 480 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,560 French, it will automatically use the French quotes and the 481 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,600 English quotes when you're typing in English. 482 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:04,800 Really small thing but it's insane how much this is useful 483 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:09,720 because yes, I spent so much of my time going into the special 484 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:15,200 characters to. That OK, I'm I'm glad that's 485 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,840 there for you. Along the similar lines, 486 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:23,240 dictation is so much better. If you have an iPhone or device 487 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:28,200 with the 12 gigs of RAM or more, you get the you can end, you get 488 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:35,040 the new local LLM dictation that is completely offline and it is 489 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,920 fast and accurate. I don't have to add punctuation 490 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,880 through dictation anymore. It's not just one long run, one 491 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:48,440 long run on sentence. It is very, very good. 492 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,040 Yeah, OK, that's nice. Yeah, I never detect dictate 493 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,240 stuff. Oh, I dictate. 494 00:30:54,240 --> 00:31:00,680 I dictate everything. I am a dictator. 495 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,160 I'm a dictator. Neil Leon. 496 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,360 Yes. Have you noticed, I don't know 497 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:15,000 if it's just me, but the notification summaries, the AI 498 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,640 notification summaries, have they turned it down? 499 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,480 Yes. Yeah, like in a major way. 500 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:28,000 In a major, so basically all of the the Apple intelligence stuff 501 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,600 in iOS 26 and earlier is changed. 502 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,720 The the, the, the models have been updated. 503 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,000 Now they're, they're still like, if you don't have the 12 gigs of 504 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,280 RAM, you still have the 4 billion parameter model. 505 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:47,680 But from my understanding it's a updated model so it it should be 506 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,200 better. I, I believe I, I don't. 507 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,200 There was a lot of information thrown at me this. 508 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,640 Week, if we got to the summaries, I mean by turning 509 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,160 down, I mean they occur way less often. 510 00:31:58,920 --> 00:31:59,640 Oh. Maybe. 511 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,640 Yeah I like it. Used to summarize. 512 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,800 For example you get 2 WhatsApp messages, so 2 notifications. 513 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,360 It will summarize like it would try to merge the two right in 514 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,640 the summary now. Like I feel like I need to get 515 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:19,640 10, 10 notifications from from from an app to for it to be 516 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,960 summarized when it's collapsed. When notifications are collapsed 517 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,600 then or maybe a bit less, but like it's when when it's just a 518 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,120 handful, it's no longer attempting to summarize for me. 519 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,000 Interesting. OK. 520 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,880 I think it's off to pay less or something. 521 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,720 Interesting. OK, that would be good. 522 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,880 Yeah, it didn't. It never needed to be as 523 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,000 aggressive as it was, that's for sure. 524 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,400 Yeah, I have a bunch of that turned off because I didn't 525 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,360 like, but I will. I'll go through and turn some of 526 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,480 that back on and check it out. Yeah, I've always kept it on 527 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:57,120 because I was having laughs. It was, it was pretty funny, 528 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,800 especially when like a group chat would pop off and it would 529 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,800 be about multiple subjects. It's just be like, what is this? 530 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,160 Yeah. Yeah, otherwise there's plenty 531 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,480 of small things. I tried, tried creating a pass 532 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:17,880 in Apple Wallet. I'm disappointed. 533 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,880 Like it's fine, It's it's good to have this feature, but the 534 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,560 time space. So now in Apple Wallet, right in 535 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,240 the Wallet app you can create a pass manually. 536 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:34,720 Oh. Yeah, do it manually or with AI, 537 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,360 but I don't have the AI option right now. 538 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,000 I'm not sure it's because that's tied to Siri AI and not Apple 539 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,360 Intelligence For some reason. I've seen some people, they have 540 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,560 a second button there, instead of creating manually, they have 541 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,280 a button create with. I have a continue and create 542 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:58,000 past manually and if I hit continue it brings up the camera 543 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,680 stuff. So it's the visual intelligence 544 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,560 stuff. So it lets you, yeah, take a 545 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,239 photo or something and turn it into a pass, OK. 546 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,080 Oh yeah, you can create membership and stuff like that 547 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,880 like I used to manually. I used to use a third party app 548 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,360 to create my gym membership in in here that would create AQR 549 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,000 code and scan it. Yeah, I'm guessing that's 550 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,760 limited to English is why I don't have the. 551 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,280 Option. Oh, that might be. 552 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,719 Yeah. But anyway, so I tried that and 553 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,800 so there's only three visual templates here and they all 554 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,760 right, but we need more, we need way more. 555 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,679 That's. What I have as well as I have 3 556 00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:39,239 templates. Yeah, and you can change the 557 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,600 colours. Those are kind of based on the 558 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,679 types of stuff that are that are in wallet already like is there 559 00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:48,120 more stuff that you can add? But. 560 00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:50,880 I mean like when you go and customize it, you have those 561 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,920 options as the background for example and I say you. 562 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,719 Have like you have 7 different options as the background. 563 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:57,920 I see. I see what you're saying. 564 00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,720 OK. And you can't choose anymore. 565 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,840 You can change the color so that gives you a bunch of variations, 566 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,280 but the colour are the colours are pretty boring. 567 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,520 Like it could be nice if you could add like a logo or 568 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,680 something. It's all right. 569 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:19,600 It's all right, I think. And it's it is a little more. 570 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,760 Yeah. It's all right anyway, so that's 571 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:26,680 it. I I like it. 572 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:35,680 I will install Mac OS27 on my Mac, my only Mac, so I have 573 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:36,920 backups. I have so many backups. 574 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,520 You know, you know the story. So I'll be fine over it. 575 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,560 There's a there's a Cozy Zone episode about our backup setups. 576 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,240 Yeah, I'll have backups. So I I had a a couple of stories 577 00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:49,760 from WWDCI wanted I wanted to share with you. 578 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,040 OK. Did you take someone? 579 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,760 No, but I did challenge somebody to a race, sort of. 580 00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:04,680 So the last two years Apple has done a dinner for like the press 581 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,800 people the night before the keynote where we just kind of 582 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,400 all go to a hotel. It's kind of like it's almost 583 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,680 like back to school night kind of thing where you're like 584 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,760 seeing all your friends and stuff because like once the 585 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,760 keynote starts, it's like a hurricane. 586 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,120 Like you just you see people as you as they're walking out, 587 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,920 you're walking in, you say hi to people. 588 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,600 Like you don't get to stop and chat with people very much. 589 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,360 So like this is kind of a chance to just talk with everybody, 590 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:30,960 kind of have a breather before things start. 591 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:36,760 So I'm at this dinner, I'm hanging out with John, Federico, 592 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,080 Mike, Jason, Dan Moran. Like I'm hanging out with those 593 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,680 guys and I I go walk over to go get some food and all of a 594 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,720 sudden the new guy is walking in John Turnus. 595 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,040 Oh. John Turnus walked into dinner. 596 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,480 I I you could say I have had dinner with John Turnus. 597 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,400 So that's the guy who you kicked? 598 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,000 That No. So who did you walk in? 599 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:02,840 I didn't. I didn't kick anyone. 600 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,320 I didn't kick anyone. I I nobody got kicked. 601 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:07,920 Well, I didn't kick anyone at least. 602 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,560 I don't know, maybe somebody else kicked somebody. 603 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,520 But anyway, so he walked in and I took a photo with him, 604 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,840 introduced myself just really quick. 605 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,440 There was a bunch of people that wanted to talk to him, so I 606 00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:23,440 didn't want to take a ball of this time, but I did tell my PR 607 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,600 contact. It's like, hey, if you ever need 608 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,480 a fluff piece for John Turnus, like I don't care. 609 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,960 Like you can accuse me of this being a fluff piece. 610 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,840 It absolutely would be a fluff piece. 611 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,240 I don't care, but I want to do it. 612 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,040 So the thing that came out, I believe, is in the Wall Street 613 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,280 Journal or The Washington Post or something like that when John 614 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,120 Turnus got announced as the new CEO. 615 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,040 Yeah, the the portrait kind. Of yeah, he, he's, he's, he's a 616 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,080 big race car driver. He, he races at Laguna Seca in 617 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,720 his Porsche. I was like, I'll put my Mustang 618 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:56,680 against his Porsche. Like come on, let's do it. 619 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,880 Like, come on, he'll dust me. Like I don't know what Porsche 620 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,120 he has, but he's he's the future CEO of Apple. 621 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,560 He has probably a way nicer Porsche that I can afford. 622 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,000 So he he would dust me, but that's OK. 623 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,400 What? What did the PR people say? 624 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,880 They laughed at me. So anyways, so I had, I had 625 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:23,680 dinner with John Turnas kind of sort of if he ate, I ate 626 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,600 something there. He, if he ate something there, 627 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:30,680 we had dinner together, right? That's how it works. 628 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,840 That's that's how it works. I once had, I once had dinner in 629 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,840 a restaurant where I know that Macron had had dinner. 630 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,560 But was it at the same time? No, obviously not. 631 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:49,560 Oh, OK, OK. No, I I would have left. 632 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,080 I I would think you'd be like. I stayed so that way when he 633 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,000 walked past I could jab him with my fork. 634 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,360 No, he's got the police in his camp. 635 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,600 Yeah, there's. Nothing I can do. 636 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,240 You need a Mustang so they can't catch you anyway. 637 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:09,120 What? No. 638 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:13,000 Why did I say nothing? Sorry, was that that was a 639 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,200 story. WWDC was great this year. 640 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,080 It was fun. It's always fun to like see 641 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,640 everybody and hang out. And it was a it was a wild year. 642 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,400 It was there was a lot happening. 643 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,040 Excuse me? Oh, poor you. 644 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:32,560 I'm so tired I have not recovered from it, but there was 645 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,640 a lot. This was the busiest WWDC I've 646 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:39,960 ever had to the point where I was in bed at 7:00 Tuesday 647 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,320 night. Like I finished up my stuff. 648 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,640 I went back to my hotel room, I got food and I didn't even try 649 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,520 and get into the Mandalorian and Grogu. 650 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,080 I didn't even because they were showing that at the Steve Jobs 651 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,880 Theatre. They were showing. 652 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,360 I didn't even try and get into it. 653 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,520 I, I did ask one person what it would take and like, you're 654 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,560 asking the wrong person. So I was like, OK, all right, 655 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,360 well, I can't, I can't, I, I probably can't get into it. 656 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,400 So anyways, I literally was so tired Tuesday and I went back to 657 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,040 my hotel room, Phil. I forgot that movie came. 658 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,600 Out I know I've been trying to get you and Matt to watch it so 659 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,640 we can talk about it because he's I really enjoy it did I 660 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,280 thought it was a fun movie. I thought it. 661 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,200 Was enjoy it. It's. 662 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,080 A perfect summer Star Wars, fun movie. 663 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,720 That's all it needed to be. I don't know why everyone else 664 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:28,720 think it think it needed to be like the next movie in the 665 00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:31,640 Skywalker saga and it needed to be this big old thing. 666 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,720 It did not. It did, exactly. 667 00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:39,240 What it needed to be? Anyways, WWDC was great this 668 00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:40,760 year. I but I had a couple of things 669 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,400 in the betas I wanted to point out. 670 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,120 So describe a shortcut. I talked about it on the last 671 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,240 episode as maybe not working so great. 672 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,440 But then I had my briefing after we recorded on that and I was 673 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,400 thinking about it wrong and, and Federico and I were trying some 674 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,480 stuff with it too, and we were thinking about it wrong. 675 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,960 We were trying to prompt it like it was clawed. 676 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:04,880 You can't prompt it like it's called. 677 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,080 You can't write out like this big old long post of things you 678 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,600 wanted to do. If the best way to use it is 679 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,280 just tell it the results you want. 680 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,720 Don't tell it how it needs to do it because then that's when it 681 00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:19,120 gets confused. Just tell it the results that 682 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,560 you want and it nails it. It does a great job. 683 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,400 Stephen Robles and I were in the same briefing together and we 684 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:32,120 were getting to do things like prompt ChatGPT and Claude like 685 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,960 through their API and it was 1 shotting it give. 686 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,640 Me an example. Literally that we got it to one 687 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:44,520 shot using ChatGPT and Claude's API to prompt. 688 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,400 We also one shotted a clipboard manager. 689 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,360 What else did we do? We one shotted a really nice 690 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,680 morning summary shortcut. The only thing it doesn't do is 691 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,480 it doesn't work with third party apps. 692 00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,880 It doesn't do that, and that's a bummer. 693 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,720 So like when you're saying you don't have to talk, talk to it 694 00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:07,800 like it's a prompt. So for example if you want to 695 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,240 create like a basics I don't know. 696 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,520 Well, say, say, let's use the morning summary one because 697 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,040 everyone can understand that. So if you were, if you were 698 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,680 prompting Claude or Open AI or ChatGPT or codecs or whatever, 699 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,080 like if you're prompting that you would tell it every morning, 700 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,240 I need a summary of my day. I need this, this, this, this, 701 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:32,040 this. I want you to go through and use 702 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,000 the To Do List API to pull my task. 703 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,200 I want you to use the Google Calendar integration to pull my 704 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,520 calendar. I want you to use whatever 705 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,440 e-mail app to find my important emails, look at messages, stuff 706 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:48,440 like that. For shortcuts, all you would 707 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,680 need to do is tell it, hey, make make me a morning summary 708 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,640 shortcut of my day and it will pull calendar, it'll pull 709 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,840 reminders. And if you want to get specific, 710 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,240 you can be like, hey, make me a morning summary, include 711 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,160 calendar reminders, message important emails and important 712 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,320 messages like that's all you would need to do. 713 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,760 You don't need to prompt it out. You don't need to give it the 714 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:15,400 the like, hey, use this API or use computer use or any of that 715 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,120 stuff. It'll figure it out. 716 00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:21,160 You just just tell it the results that you want and it it 717 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,200 it will do a good. Job of it. 718 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:28,400 I've not tried it yet because yeah, I think I I have it right. 719 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,280 So basically, yes, you should have it. 720 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,520 It's not. It's not a part of the Siri AI 721 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,720 that is technically falls into the Apple. 722 00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:38,680 And Oh yeah, there you go. What do you want your shortcut 723 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,840 to do? And it and it is the default way 724 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,320 of building a shortcut. Now something else. 725 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,480 That's OK. OK, first time I've opened this. 726 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,600 OK, you can toggle back and forth between. 727 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,560 You can toggle back and forth. Field the the describe field and 728 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,600 the regular. Editing interface. 729 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,280 So there's something else that's cool and shortcuts that I didn't 730 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:06,160 get to in the last episode. Automations are now actions. 731 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,240 They are not like this whole separate thing I. 732 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,000 Saw this. This is awesome. 733 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,280 So what this means is 1 you can have multiple automation 734 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,480 triggers. Two, people like us that build 735 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,800 shortcuts for other people. We can now build automations 736 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,640 into the shortcuts so people don't have to manually go and 737 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,480 set U the automations themselves. 738 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,560 This is killer. And there's automations based on 739 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:35,120 screenshots, notifications, and on the iPad if, if a keyboard is 740 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,440 attached or unattached. And I there might be more. 741 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,800 I, I, I don't know, I haven't completely gone through 742 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:44,880 everything yet, but yeah, like shortcuts, this was a big 743 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,040 shortcuts year. Like there's a lot in shortcuts. 744 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:54,000 Yeah, yeah, this is nice. The other thing I want to talk 745 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,400 about is what I mentioned earlier. 746 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,960 I do have the Siri app and I the Siri AI app. 747 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,960 So this replaces Spotlight, Spotlight and Siri. 748 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,320 Once you have the Siri AI app, Spotlight gets replaced and Siri 749 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,720 and Spotlight are merged together now and I love this. 750 00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:15,920 I absolutely love this. A big benefit of this is Apple 751 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:20,600 completely rebuilt Spotlight and the spotlight index and all that 752 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:26,200 stuff and so work with Siri and it is so much faster now. 753 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:31,600 It is, it is way nicer now. I'm, I haven't really tried it 754 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,120 on the MacBook Neo. I, I just installed Golden Gate, 755 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,240 poked around, it was still doing all the indexing stuff. 756 00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:41,720 So I haven't really seen how well it works, but I'm curious 757 00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:44,520 about that. So you're saying tiny start is 758 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,920 dead? No, I think you need to start 759 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,440 marketing tiny start as the launcher without AI. 760 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,920 Like you need to start making that marketing now. 761 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,320 OK. Yeah. 762 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,760 No, you, you need to get on that because it is very obvious. 763 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,080 It's the Siri and the AI stuff is built into it now. 764 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:07,160 What it's like on the Mac I I'll believe it when I see it. 765 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,920 I think it it's, I think it's pretty good now. 766 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:15,240 One of my favorite things is you can now get to let me pull 767 00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:21,640 something U here O When you have an A open, you can now get to 768 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,320 spotlight from anywhere by pulling down from the middle any 769 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,560 app. On the iPhone and iPad you can 770 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,440 now access spotlight while an app is open. 771 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,320 So excited about this. This has been needed to be there 772 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,720 for a long time. On the iPad, technically you 773 00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:38,080 could do it. If you had a keyboard attached, 774 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,960 you could hit command space. Before you could technically 775 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,680 have an app open, swipe down to get to notification center and 776 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,000 then swipe down in the middle to bring up spotlight. 777 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,240 But it was a pain. Now it's just right there. 778 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,240 So 2. Really nice. 779 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,600 Is it so now you have to to get to your notifications you have 780 00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,280 to pull down from the left side. Right at the top the the left 781 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,360 side, yeah. How annoying is that? 782 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,240 Is it fine? It's not, it's fine. 783 00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:04,600 It's really not that big of a deal. 784 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,520 It's fine. It's just like getting used to 785 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,520 Control Center pulling down on the right side. 786 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,880 It's really not that. Maybe I'm used to it because 787 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,840 that's what you had to do on the iPad last year because of the 788 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,400 menu bar was if you swipe down in the middle that you would 789 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,640 bring up the menu bar and iPad OS. 790 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,840 So I'm already kind of used to that, but it's not that big of a 791 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,440 deal on the iPad. They did move that. 792 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,040 They did change how the menu bar worked because of this. 793 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,280 I think they changed it because of the spotlight feature because 794 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,200 Spotlight was getting that swipe down from the middle. 795 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,760 So the menu bar is now that persistent thing, which I like 796 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,960 the Siri AI app so far. So I've had it for a few days 797 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,200 now and it has completely replaced my replace my use of 798 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:51,000 regular clod and ChatGPT, not cloud code and not codex. 799 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,080 It's not an agent, but it's replaced my like, hey, this is 800 00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,040 where I go to search for something like I was looking for 801 00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,720 a restaurant and I just typed like what's around me, like what 802 00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:04,240 what restaurants are around me And it gave me a whole bunch of 803 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,080 things and I found one from it and I was like this is great. 804 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,200 So I'm pretty happy with it and I love that it's just built into 805 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,360 the system. Like I can just hold down the 806 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,440 button and there's the new Siri right there. 807 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,160 And Siri sounds really good here. 808 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,800 In fact, let's let's demo it here. 809 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,400 Siri, I'm testing you out. What should I do with you? 810 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,080 You can ask me to set an alarm, check the weather, or play some 811 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,120 music. I can also help you with 812 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,720 calculations, translations, and finding information on just 813 00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:36,400 about anything. So I, I think the new voice 814 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,520 sounds really good. The the setting to change like 815 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,320 how the how fast it talks in the pitch and stuff like that isn't 816 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,760 available just yet. But the I think the new voice 817 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:52,480 sounds really good right now, at least for me. 818 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:57,440 All I have the option to do is American voices and it's kind of 819 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:02,920 a male or female ish voice. That's all I really have right 820 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,200 now. It's it's then they don't even 821 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,080 call it that. It's just voice one or voice 2. 822 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,480 Like here. I'll play them for you. 823 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,320 Hi, let's find the right voice for you. 824 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,360 I'll practice some things I like to say while you listen. 825 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,480 Hi, let's find the right voice for you. 826 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,480 I'll practice some things I like to say while you listen. 827 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,600 Let me try this one out and I I think they said they both sound 828 00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,400 very, very good like like probably some of the best voice 829 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:30,080 stuff that I've ever used. Yeah, that's nice. 830 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,000 But I mentioned, so this is not an agent. 831 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,480 This is not a go out and do a bunch of tasks like it. 832 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,000 It's really good at like handling a single task and then 833 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,120 maybe chaining another task on top of it. 834 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,200 But it's not an agent where it's just running in the background 835 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,000 and doing things all the time. But at the Tech Talk, Michael 836 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,560 Rockwell acknowledged that agents are a thing. 837 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,920 And they said their system is very flexible. 838 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,920 So if that's something you're you're wanting, I wouldn't be 839 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,400 surprised if it shows up next year. 840 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,400 Nice, I'm dying over here. How did you? 841 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,680 I, I can, I can see, I'm sorry, I'm, I'm sorry. 842 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,160 I know it's that time of the year for you. 843 00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:14,800 Yeah, all right. Yeah I so I will be able to try 844 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:19,520 Serie AI on the Mac. Oh, yeah, because that's not a 845 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,240 monopoly. And that I didn't mean that. 846 00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:24,680 That came out kind of sounding a little meanish, but I didn't 847 00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:27,360 mean it like that. According to the DMA, they they 848 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,680 haven't classified that as a monopoly. 849 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:30,800 Oh, that's right. OK, good. 850 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,040 It is available for us, but just on the Mac, so I will try that 851 00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,840 there. Regarding the spotlight speed, 852 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,040 yeah, I you know, I've been burnt before. 853 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,400 I know, but it is literally they, they, they have told me 854 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,280 they rebuilt it from the ground up. 855 00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,120 It is not. There's nothing carried over 856 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,120 from the previous spotlight other than like the branding, 857 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,520 like it's, it's it the, the back of the back end of spotlight has 858 00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,720 been rebuilt. So I, I would give it another 859 00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:01,640 go. I know you are you make a 860 00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,960 spotlight competitor, but for the sake of you know the show, I 861 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,080 would I would give it a shot, but of course I will check it. 862 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,080 Out. But also neon you need to get on 863 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,960 making branding for tiny start to non AI app launcher like you 864 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,840 need to get on that. I'm not sure about that. 865 00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,720 You do, you really do, I'm telling you like it will do 866 00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:25,600 wonders because every other launcher is going to have a has 867 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,880 AI in that's. True, and I'm not. 868 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,880 I'm not adding it to tiny start. I know you're not. 869 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,960 I, I respect it. Yeah. 870 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:40,360 That's, that's kind of my end of WWDC recap kind of thing. 871 00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,960 It's, it's the Friday of the week of WWDC. 872 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:44,480 We're recording this. You're getting it the week 873 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,440 after. But yeah, that's, that's kind of 874 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,840 where I'm at. And I need to get some videos 875 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,480 posted. I had some stuff happen that 876 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,920 that caused some delays, but I, I need to get some videos 877 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,120 posted. Hopefully by the time you're all 878 00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,280 hearing this, I have some videos for you. 879 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,040 OK. All right, we had, we didn't 880 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,800 have a challenge this last week. No, we no, no, it was because 881 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,520 WWDC was weird. Nobody issued a challenge. 882 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,680 But it is my challenge to issue for this week. 883 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,840 And before I tell you what it is, I need to remind you what 884 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,440 the tagline of the show is. We're pushing ourselves outside 885 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,600 of our comfort zone. We, we are, you know, we're 886 00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:24,000 challenging ourselves. OK, OK. 887 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,000 You're not going to hate me. Promise you're not going to hate 888 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,280 me. All right. 889 00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,760 And and it's pretty vague. So you can let it, you can let 890 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,840 it go in any way you want. You can. 891 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,640 You can interpret it any way you want. 892 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,120 Come on, spill it. Let an AI run your life for the 893 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,120 week. That's not possible. 894 00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,160 Yes, it is. How? 895 00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,920 Talk to it. Let it run your life. 896 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,200 Ask it questions. Whenever you have a decision to 897 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:53,360 make, ask it what you should do. I'm not necessarily saying you 898 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,400 need to follow it, but I'm just saying like, hey, when something 899 00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,640 comes up and you're like hey, I need to go to the car wash and 900 00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,160 should I take my car to the car wash? 901 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:06,000 I will see what the process. OK, OK, I'll run into limits all 902 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,880 the time. I'm not paying for any of it. 903 00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:11,560 Oh, you're not OK? Well, good. 904 00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,040 Tell us your ability to the best of your ability. 905 00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,320 I. Will report back. 906 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:16,520 Yep. Yeah. 907 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,720 How low the limits are? That's fine. 908 00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:22,680 I I look, I'm not saying you need to let it go off and do all 909 00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,640 the all the work tasks you need to do. 910 00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,920 I'm like, I'm not going to let it take over running my or or 911 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,360 editing videos. In the podcast, it's my Job, 912 00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,240 it's official. OK, there you go. 913 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,920 You may you may find out it can do your job and you can go sit 914 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,160 on a beach somewhere. That's good. 915 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,360 All right, Well, that by. The way computer use which you 916 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:47,680 talked about codecs computer use all of that not available in the 917 00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,960 EU. Yes, I think we talked about 918 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,280 this, but yes. Oh, it is, yeah. 919 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,760 Not available in the EUI don't know why. 920 00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,440 It's not available. I don't know why either. 921 00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:02,120 I'm wondering why I. I wonder, I wonder. 922 00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,800 No, it doesn't makes. And they haven't like even 923 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,240 communicated anything about it. They just. 924 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,280 Yeah, I don't know. In the support page. 925 00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,040 Not available in the EU and I don't know why. 926 00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,200 Well, stop being mean to the the the small tech companies. 927 00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:22,480 I'm pretty sure the EU hasn't done anything to them, which is 928 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,760 a surprise, so that's why I'm surprised. 929 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,200 I wish they had done something to them but they have not like. 930 00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,280 Yeah, I don't. I don't. 931 00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:35,320 I don't know about. That. 932 00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,800 But like I said, I hate those guys, so they don't do what I 933 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,400 want them to do. So yeah. 934 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,160 Yeah. All right. 935 00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:44,840 Well, that brings us to the end of the show. 936 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,960 And I didn't break down the end of the show question. 937 00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:52,160 Do you do you have something? Yeah, let me think about it. 938 00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,320 OK. Oh, how? 939 00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,120 How do I? OK, Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait 940 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:06,720 for it. How many games of the FIFA World 941 00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:12,480 Cup will you be watching? 0 How many will you be watching? 942 00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,440 I don't know. So here's the thing. 943 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:22,960 This is a whole Nova topic I saw I have always in in in French. 944 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,720 In casual French, when we say we we like football, we say we are 945 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,280 a futiques. A Futiques. 946 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:36,680 Yeah, futiques. OK, so I'm I'm that not not too 947 00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,840 deep into it, but I really like foot football. 948 00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,840 I've always I've always like, loved it and the World Cup is 949 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,600 like a major event for me. Like I always anticipated. 950 00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:54,360 I was super happy when it comes up and then 2022 came along and 951 00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:58,800 it was in Qatar where? Oh. 952 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:05,400 Where basically slaves built the stadiums and AC was put it in, 953 00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,400 was put in the stadiums, in stadiums that were built in the 954 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,480 desert. So AC in the desert, that makes 955 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:17,520 sense. And now 2026 came along, and 956 00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,720 it's in the US for most of it and. 957 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,880 Probably. Yeah, but in the US for most of 958 00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,880 it, and probably Trump will lift the cup at some point before 959 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,680 giving it to the winners in the final. 960 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:38,400 So it sucks. I really like football and if 961 00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,000 there is a year to boycott it, it would be this year. 962 00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,120 But yeah, anyway, all of this to say, I'm watching, but I'm 963 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,360 watching discreetly. I don't want like to promote it. 964 00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,080 If if you want to boycott it, I would encourage you to do it. 965 00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,160 But also I'm not doing it, so whatever. 966 00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,160 Yeah, I I'm boycotting it. I'm I'm you. 967 00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,040 Know, yeah, that's what you're doing, yes. 968 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,440 I, I, you know, I'm boycotting it so hard. 969 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,120 I'm boycotting all of soccer. OK, football, but yes. 970 00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:08,080 Soccer. So my TikTok feed right now is 971 00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:13,640 so funny because my TikTok feed is full of football right now 972 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,680 and it's mostly French people and European people mocking the 973 00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,880 Americans. Like the American supporters 974 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:27,760 specifically, like, like the US supporters chanting. 975 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,600 It's called soccer. It's called soccer. 976 00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,920 Like, oh. God we are so obnoxious. 977 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,840 Look, you are the your crowd is the cringiest. 978 00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,600 We're so nauseous. OK, listen, Americans, let's 979 00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:47,000 just let them have the World Cup and we'll all go to monster 980 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,800 truck rallies in tractor polls. Like let's just, we can go to 981 00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,920 the monster truck rallies. They have 0 interest in it. 982 00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,800 We'll go to that. They're they're the ones missing 983 00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,280 out. They're going to sit there for 984 00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:03,720 like 2 hours getting excited over a no score game and we're 985 00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,560 going to be watching trucks. You crush cars. 986 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,920 Like, come on, we, we win this one, obviously, but we'll just 987 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,480 let him have that. And there's a whole thing with 988 00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:16,440 the Metlab Stadium in, what is it, New York, New Jersey? 989 00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,040 I have no idea. I think it's New York. 990 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,840 Yeah, around there where basically you can't go there on 991 00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:27,840 foot, you have to pay transit and it's $120.00 for the trip, 992 00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:29,000 are you? Kidding me? 993 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,760 No. You can't walk to it. 994 00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:36,120 You can't, you can't walk to it because it's like across several 995 00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,520 highways. It's extremely dangerous. 996 00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,480 So there's a trend on TikTok where some European people are 997 00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,080 proving that you can actually walk to it, but it takes 4 hours 998 00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,520 and you risk your life multiple points doing it. 999 00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,680 And also when you get there, there's actually huge signs that 1000 00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,280 say the pedestrian entries are forbidden, so you act. 1001 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,400 It's the ones you watch. Oh my God, you can't enter the 1002 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,840 stadium on foot. You have to call an Uber to take 1003 00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,880 you 2 minutes around the corner. Yeah, that's it. 1004 00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,720 Anyway, all of this to say, I'm watching all of them. 1005 00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:17,600 OK so Speaking of Ubers and stuff, WWDC Waymos are 1006 00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,080 everywhere. The time is driving car 1007 00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,520 everywhere. Oh my God I got stuck behind 1008 00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,960 one. It made me so mad because I was 1009 00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:29,600 making stupid decisions and they're expensive too to take 1010 00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,920 but like I I refuse to get into one. 1011 00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,720 I am not a good passenger in cars and a passenger in a 1012 00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,360 driverless vehicle sounds sounds horrible. 1013 00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:42,000 To me, maybe it's liberating to be in a in a driverless car. 1014 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,040 I mean, you know, your driver's not problematic and hasn't said 1015 00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,640 anything racist on Twitter. Really. 1016 00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:55,080 Yeah, because there's no driver. Oh, I guess that's true. 1017 00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,880 OK, I was the driver. I was trying to think who is the 1018 00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,440 CEO of Waymo? Whatever. 1019 00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:03,400 Oh, yeah, no, I have no idea. I, I he may be the I'm going to 1020 01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,840 go ahead and assume it's a he. I have no idea, but I'm going to 1021 01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,440 go ahead and assume it's a he. It might be the most problematic 1022 01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,760 person since Hitler, but I I don't know. 1023 01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,960 But I have no idea. Maybe maybe they're the nicest 1024 01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,800 person since like Julia Childs. I don't, I don't know. 1025 01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,000 I don't know who who's a nice person, but the issue. 1026 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:26,520 With the games of the World Cup, is that because of the time 1027 01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:31,240 difference? Like I'm looking at the schedule 1028 01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:36,800 right now, so the earliest are at 9:00 PM for me and like most 1029 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,360 of them are at midnight, 3:00 AM, six AM, 4:00 AM. 1030 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,480 Basically everyone that cares about the World Cup is going to 1031 01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,240 have to watch this at Ridiculous. 1032 01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,680 So this is like me when it comes to Formula One. 1033 01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,000 I'm watching Formula One at ridiculous times. 1034 01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:55,600 But I also know it it's starting to become a more American thing, 1035 01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,880 like, like America is starting to care about a little bit more, 1036 01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,240 but like really like, it's the other side of the world that 1037 01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,200 cares about it. At least the South Americans are 1038 01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:05,880 probably happy. That's true. 1039 01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,120 They they love soccer. And they love football, yeah. 1040 01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,520 They love soccer. Football, yeah. 1041 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,960 It's wild to me that the British invented the sport, they called 1042 01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:20,000 it soccer, and it got so far away from them that even they 1043 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:24,720 call it football. Did they call it soccer? 1044 01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,840 I'm misinformation. No, in the Ted Lasso episode 1045 01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,440 they explained that Ted Lasso would never lie to us. 1046 01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,600 And Ted Lasso is a documentary, of course. 1047 01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:39,320 It's it is. I don't know what to talk about. 1048 01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,240 Anyway. All right, I will talk to you 1049 01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,360 later. Yes, have a good week. 1050 01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,160 Yes, everyone, everyone, everyone, have a good week. 1051 01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:47,800 Bye.