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I love Korean BBQ so I agree on food.
I I feel like I'm being vindicated right now.
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No, no, I've never taken a vision pro I saw.
I saw photos of people wearing the Vision Pro at at the
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I I've also seen the very first WWDC after the Vision Pros out
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You know that's. True, I mean YouTube is also a
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OK, OK, cool, cool, cool, cool. I'm glad we can cherry pick
that. Anyways, we have some topics.
I think we have some similar topics, so do you want to just
dive right into it? Yes.
So I want to talk about the betas because we've probably
installed some betas, you and I. But first we were having a
discussion of the air that we thought we should have on the
air like because I'm so last week we talked about the DMA and
because Apple remember is refusing like is not releasing
Syria AI in the EU because of the DMA.
You guys had that discussion after I I had a, I had a jump,
but I I listened to it on my drive home and it was very good.
But I do have some thoughts. All right, go ahead.
I want to hear your thoughts. OK, all right.
So basically to sum it up, they're not releasing Siri AI in
the EU because of it can't support the interoperability
essentially, and please correct me if I'm wrong here, but
essentially this means you can't pull out Apple's LLM for, you
know, ChatGPT or Clod or something like that, correct?
What? No, no, it's like basically.
So it's the Siri AI that's being withheld in the EU, Yes.
So that's like the new chatbot experience basically.
Yes. And the everything else is
there. All the Apple intelligence AI
features are there. Yes, and the reason why the Siri
AI chatbot thing isn't is being withheld is because you can't
swap in clod or ChatGPT or something like that like other.
Yeah, that's correct that sorry, maybe I didn't, I didn't explain
it very well, but that's what I was trying to get at.
So essentially you can't pull out apples and put another one
in. Right.
Yes, yes, that's the thing. And I have a thought on that.
Why would you want to? Because if you did do this, you
would have to allow Grok and Elon Musk in because there's no
way you could get around not letting Grok and Elon Musk in.
So at that point, do we really want to?
And the way Apple is doing the privacy stuff is way better than
every other AI company out there, including Google.
I know they're using part of the Google Frontier models, not
Gemini. That was something we all got
wrong. We all thought it was just going
to be Gemini slapped in there. It's not.
It's Google Frontier models that Apple has been working on.
And basically there's the Google site.
Gemini in the keynote by names, did.
But it's not, I think that was more of like a, we're making
this easy for people to understand, but it's really like
the Google Frontier models with Apple stuff and also some NVIDIA
security stuff in there as well. O there's like multile levels of
security and privacy and to the point where if ALE is not the
last person to touch a server, your phone and the chatbot will
not connect to it and come back. So like Google can't get back
and or Google can't be in there, NVIDIA can't be in there, Other
companies can't be in there. It has to be Apple was the last
one to touch it. And I don't know about you, but
as far as privacy goes, out of the big tech companies, Apple's
the one that I'm going to trust the most.
OK, so here's the thing. OK, so 1st I want to say
something that's very like, very important regard, like to
understand where I'm coming from because I'm in this situation
with, as always with Apple for the past few years, I find
myself defending the EU Commission's position, even
though I absolutely hate those guys.
The EU right now is governed by Conservative A holes and I don't
know like liberal kind of people who are obsessed with the market
law like the the anyway, you see what I mean?
Bunch of right wing people that I hate and most of the stuff
they do I hate including like the DMA like in its philosophy,
I like what it's doing to tech giants like Apple and Google.
I don't like where it fits in with all of the EU laws
basically anyway. Now zooming in on the DMA and
Apple, why do I take the EU stands here as the one being
correct? So the argument that you just
said like is Apple's argument mostly like the basically to be
in compliance with the DMA, we would have to open up everything
to the third party AI providers so that they can work just like
Siri AI on iOS and iPad OS. And that's a security nightmare.
So that there's two things that don't understand, don't
understand in Apple's position here is first they say this,
right, They say we would have to open up everything and it would
not be secure. And they also say we have a
solution that would be secure and that the EU Commission is
refusing to allow us to implement, right, the trusted
system, agent, something, whatever.
Yeah, which I think that was the thing they said would take
another 18. Months. 18 months.
Exactly to to build. So I'm just highlighting this
right out of that, like they're saying both things at the same
time. They're saying it would be
unsecure, but also here we have a secure solution that they're
not willing to accept. I OK, so I, I think I have a
little bit of more information on this that maybe I can shed
some light. So I think what, what they're
saying it, it's two different deals.
In order to bring it to the EU today, we would have to
basically just let every AI company and, and do what they
want. And the way the Siri AI works is
it's not building a memory dot MD file.
It's literally indexing your device.
In fact, I can see it on my devices right now.
It's indexing your device. It's getting all of your
information and do you want to trust open AI with all of that
or grok with that? Like that is where I think Apple
is coming from for the Today stuff.
And then their, their second thing is they're like, hey, and,
and I, I do agree with you on this.
It's like they're like, hey, let us bring it to the EU today and
we'll have something in 18 months that'll work with all of
these. And I can see where the EU is
like eh, we don't trust you bro, Like you.
Either have it. Today or and like that, I get
like that that I do get like you either need to have that
solution today and bring that to everyone or you need to wait
until you have it. Yeah, that's the thing.
So I was just highlighting that they think two things at the
same time, that it's impossible to do it secure in a secure way.
And also we have a secure way that the EU is refusing.
And just like you said, the reason the EU is refusing is
because they're not able to do it before 18 months.
And if you look at the EU statement, the EU Commission's
statement from last week, and there's been another since
basically the same thing, they're basically saying still
saying the same thing. What they're saying is that
there's no way, like we will let you roam the EU with this new
feature that's not compliant with the DMA.
Like you're supposed to obey the law now, not in 18 months.
And like the spokesperson in question says, even says, like
they basically Apple was asking for an exemption and we're not
willing to grant an exemption. So that's the thing.
And there's also the thing that most people seem to forget here
is that this is like, this is a law, right?
It's in effect. It's been in effect since 2023.
Apple has been the subject to the law since 2023 for both iOS
and iPad OS. IPad OS came a bit slightly
later, but still. That's right, yeah.
Yeah, so like in 2023, they were still working on the first
version of Apple Intelligence, barely.
And they since started from scratch, as we all know.
And anyway, all of this to say, they were, they started all of
this fully aware that it would not work out with the DMA, which
like if you take a lawmaker's position here, a law enforcer's
position even, which is the, the commission's position, like this
is not acceptable. Like what do you mean?
You started something working on something brand new.
That's the, the law was already in effect.
You already had all the terms of the law and you decided not to
be compliant and to release it to the entire world except us
and tell the world that it's our fault that it it's ready in 18
months. Like what do you mean?
So, and for the, for that from that position, like I cannot, I
just cannot understand how Apple can get away with this like
this. I, you know what, I agree.
Like if you're not happy with the DMA, sure.
With all the features. Like honestly, personally, I
don't, I don't really care. Just with all the features,
that's fine. But the discourse that they
like, the little discourse that they're maintaining around this
is so nefarious. Like I hate it so much and I
hate that it's working so well with people because people are
just repeating Apple's. Like when I see people, I see
like, I mean, most tech commenters that are based in the
US mostly are just repeating Apple's rhetoric here without
like just thinking about it for 2 seconds.
Like you can't just do a thing that disobeying the law for 18
months. And like, if you're not happy,
go to go to court, whatever, do something that's lawful.
That's that you can do. But just accusing the anyway you
you get what I mean. Yeah, no, I do.
And I, I agree with you, for the record, like I, I do agree with
you. I just, I, I see both sides and
I see to me it's, it's not that they willingly disobey.
I don't know, maybe I am buying into Apple stuff.
But it's not that they willingly disobey.
It's that in order to get a system that would be the level
of privacy that they want and open like the EU would want,
it's going to take another 18 months because I.
Believe that, by the way, yeah. And I don't think they can do
this right now and be in compliance like the way the way
that would be satisfactory to them and to the EU at the same
time. I fully believe that they need
another 18 months. The issue is they need the 18
months. Like how come this is not
anticipated? Clearly they're prioritizing
being able to ship this right now.
Oh absolutely 100% like what 1000% they are.
They are prioritizing shipping now and we will get it to the
places that it can go versus and then we'll deal with everything
else later. I'm just saying from Apple, from
the E US point of view, the opposition makes full sense to
me. Like I do not see a flaw in the
EU Commission's rezoning with this.
Yeah, no. And, and I do agree with you.
Like if it's the law of the land, that's the that's the law
of the land. At least you live in a place
that respects the law of the land.
Yeah. Anyway, and you know, it's so
frustrating for me because I hate those guys.
The Commission, they're the worst, like right, Especially
right now maybe, like maybe next European elections, we will have
a full left wing majority in European Parliament and the
Commission will be all left wing and I will be happy with those
guys. Right now I'm not.
But still like I think this is in the context of capitalism, of
free market. I think the DMA makes a lot of
sense and enforcing, enforcing it makes sense, especially when
you've got tech giants like Apple who have and Google who
have monopolistic positions in the market.
And the DMA is exactly that. It's meant to battle those
monopolistic positions. Yeah, iOS and iPad OS have been
recognized under the DMA as monopolies, and This is why the
rules about apply to them. And that's it.
Yeah, all right. Anyway, Anyway, should we get
to? Yeah, so I was going to talk
about the betas like I, I don't think there's much to say
because I was saying to you guys in our convo, I so I installed
it on my iPhone only for now. I almost installed it right
before we record it, but I was. Worried for you?
For your. Sanity.
Thank you for not. Thank you for not doing that.
We've had enough issues with Riverside lately.
Thank you. I'll do it later, but yes, how?
How have you installed the beta? The betas?
How are they doing for you? I have the betas on just about
everything right now, iPhone, iPad, watch and the MacBook Neo.
I do not have it on the MacBook Pro.
The MacBook Pro will be the thing that that gets updated at
the absolute last. I will do it at the vision Pro
at on the vision Pro at some point, but I haven't I it's I
haven't used it since I got back since since I got back, I've had
a world, one of family things happening and and it's been a
whole it's been a whole deal. So I have not had a ton of time,
but I have all the betas on everything and I'm pretty happy
for the most part. This this is, you know, it was
rumored that this would be a quote UN quote Snow Leopard
year. And while I don't, you know,
it's Snow Leopard was not the no new features that they claimed.
You know, that Steve Jobs said it was that there was actually a
bunch of features in Snow Leopard.
This kind of does fall along the path.
Like there's a lot of stuff that's been cleaned up.
Yeah, there's bugs. There's still bugs, but it's
also developer beta one. But yeah, things are things are
a lot faster or things feel a lot faster, a lot snappier.
I talked last week about like for example, in iPad OS, they
did a lot of work on not just speeding up animations, but also
on like CPU runtime stuff so that like apps open faster, apps
close faster, you can switch between apps faster.
And it just, it does feel snappier.
It really does. I I kind of agree.
So I I've only got it on my phone and so the snow leopard
thing, I think yeah, it's very true.
Like I installed it was very happy about the new look of
liquid glass. The slider all the way to the
right. You pushed it.
On that tiger look, that brush metal.
And. Not really.
I I will say it looks very good on Mac OS.
The I have it on the Mac O deal. It looks good on Mac OS.
You're going to be very happy. But even on iOS, I'm glad, like
even on iOS, the toolbars, like there are real toolbars when you
scroll, so there's no weird illegible things at the top when
you Scroll down in apps. Bunch of little tweaks, visual
tweaks here and there. The borders around the outlines,
like the thin outlines around elements, icons, etcetera is
weird at first, but then you look at all the screenshots and
you realize, yeah, this is better.
It makes a lot of sense. Like things detached from the
background way more easily. Like visually it's easier to
distinguish stuff. And I wanted to update on some
like something we mentioned last week.
Remember you mentioned like I will get the orb, the Siri orb
because I don't have Siri AI. And you're right, when I first
updated to iOS 7, I had the old Siri Orb back when I invoked
Siri. But now I've got the glow.
And I think the way this works is that when I first upgraded to
iOS 727, Apple Intelligence wasn't really enabled.
And then it got enabled by itself because there's no toggle
anymore. You can't togle it off or on.
So it turned on by itself in the background, while I don't know
iOS was doing it stuff in the background and now I've got the
glow. So that's fine I guess.
I've got the glow. Does it still say?
If you go into settings, does it still say your phone is
indexing? Yeah, I've seen a Basically
everyone is still having that, yeah.
Yeah, OK, 'cause Federico and I are and I'll get to it in a
little bit, but basically I haven't been able to get third
party apps to work with the Siri app.
Yeah, yeah, all of my device still say indexing, even my iPad
which got updated on Monday and has been plugged in overnight
every single night, so. Yeah, I wonder if it's just a
visual bug. Like I wonder if it's actually
done. It's it it I it is still
indexing because I literally can't get Siri the the so I have
access to the new Siri app. I have it and I cannot get it to
work with third party apps. OK, interesting.
Because of the because of this indexing issue, yeah.
Interesting. Oh yeah, yeah.
Because I just remembered like earlier today, I was typing in
Spotlight the name of a shortcut and he could not fight it.
So it's still indexing, yeah. It's actually still indexing.
So we were kind of told, I was going to say this for my
section, but it's kind of relevant now.
We were kind of told ahead of time that we needed to update to
26.6 public beta and I'm wondering if there's something
in there that does the indexing ahead of time because I didn't
do it until the night before the keynote and I I was supposed to
do it like 3 weeks before. So I kind of wonder if that is
the issue. Wow, you think it's actually it?
It actually takes that long to. It just takes days and days.
I think I think it does. Wow, I.
I really, I do think it does because I mean, like I said,
either either the indexing is broken in developer beta one,
which I would be shocked because that's such a core feature.
I would be shocked if that's broken or it just takes that
long. Yeah, and some of the search is
working, so yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And like I can work with third or first party apps.
So like I can get it to pull information from reminders, I
can get it to add stuff to notes, calendar, things like
that. Mail, I can get it to do stuff
like that. It's the third party apps that
I'm having issues with right now so.
Interesting, I've got this issue even though I'm not getting Siri
AI it's. Doing it, I think the indexing
thing is, is because so Spotlight has been completely
rebuilt from the ground up. It doesn't matter if you're
getting Siri AI or not. Spotlight on all the platforms
has been ripped apart and rebuilt from the ground up.
So that's why I think it's having to do the index stuff all
over again. Yeah, OK.
Other things, other small things I've noticed that are really
nice in iOS 27. The weather app.
I've just seen the weather app. I have not actually.
Slightly updated so now like a few of the cards are merged like
not merge, but they are controlled by a single set of
toggles at the top. You can switch between
conditions, precipitations and wind and it's switches over the
view for all the cards below like the.
Three cards below. That's nice.
This is really nice, yeah. Oh hang on, so I so I don't so I
don't dox myself. Switch to another location, you
fool. Oh, yeah, you can't.
I forgot about that. Fly pools fly.
Yeah. Yeah, it's actually really nice.
Yeah, it's 80°. It's 8:00 in the morning and
it's 80° the feels like it's 85 outside.
It's so hot here. That number makes sense to me.
That's. Freedom units, by the way.
Another thing that I liked with iOS 27 is, oh, I can't find it
anymore. I had it open and I switched to
the weather app. So now I forgot what what I was
about to say. Oh, writing tools.
Oh yeah, writing tools are integrated like like the kind of
seamless Before you had to pull up the writing tools sheet and I
saw some people say it's gone. Actually, it's still there.
It is still there, yeah. I don't know why people said it
was gone, but it it's more integrated like the proofread
stuff is. Basically, it's a better
proofreading model now. Yeah, it highlights the words
that you can correct and stuff it.
It's nice. One little thing that's nice
when you speak French and English and use one phone in
both languages is that so you know how French in French we
have different quotes, like quotation marks.
OK, yeah, yeah. Now when using the bilingual
keyboard, so if you've got both English and French setup in your
iOS keyboard, when you tap the quotation mark, it will use the
correct quotation mark depending on the language you're typing
in. So if I'm typing something in
French, it will automatically use the French quotes and the
English quotes when you're typing in English.
Really small thing but it's insane how much this is useful
because yes, I spent so much of my time going into the special
characters to. That OK, I'm I'm glad that's
there for you. Along the similar lines,
dictation is so much better. If you have an iPhone or device
with the 12 gigs of RAM or more, you get the you can end, you get
the new local LLM dictation that is completely offline and it is
fast and accurate. I don't have to add punctuation
through dictation anymore. It's not just one long run, one
long run on sentence. It is very, very good.
Yeah, OK, that's nice. Yeah, I never detect dictate
stuff. Oh, I dictate.
I dictate everything. I am a dictator.
I'm a dictator. Neil Leon.
Yes. Have you noticed, I don't know
if it's just me, but the notification summaries, the AI
notification summaries, have they turned it down?
Yes. Yeah, like in a major way.
In a major, so basically all of the the Apple intelligence stuff
in iOS 26 and earlier is changed.
The the, the, the models have been updated.
Now they're, they're still like, if you don't have the 12 gigs of
RAM, you still have the 4 billion parameter model.
But from my understanding it's a updated model so it it should be
better. I, I believe I, I don't.
There was a lot of information thrown at me this.
Week, if we got to the summaries, I mean by turning
down, I mean they occur way less often.
Oh. Maybe.
Yeah I like it. Used to summarize.
For example you get 2 WhatsApp messages, so 2 notifications.
It will summarize like it would try to merge the two right in
the summary now. Like I feel like I need to get
10, 10 notifications from from from an app to for it to be
summarized when it's collapsed. When notifications are collapsed
then or maybe a bit less, but like it's when when it's just a
handful, it's no longer attempting to summarize for me.
Interesting. OK.
I think it's off to pay less or something.
Interesting. OK, that would be good.
Yeah, it didn't. It never needed to be as
aggressive as it was, that's for sure.
Yeah, I have a bunch of that turned off because I didn't
like, but I will. I'll go through and turn some of
that back on and check it out. Yeah, I've always kept it on
because I was having laughs. It was, it was pretty funny,
especially when like a group chat would pop off and it would
be about multiple subjects. It's just be like, what is this?
Yeah. Yeah, otherwise there's plenty
of small things. I tried, tried creating a pass
in Apple Wallet. I'm disappointed.
Like it's fine, It's it's good to have this feature, but the
time space. So now in Apple Wallet, right in
the Wallet app you can create a pass manually.
Oh. Yeah, do it manually or with AI,
but I don't have the AI option right now.
I'm not sure it's because that's tied to Siri AI and not Apple
Intelligence For some reason. I've seen some people, they have
a second button there, instead of creating manually, they have
a button create with. I have a continue and create
past manually and if I hit continue it brings up the camera
stuff. So it's the visual intelligence
stuff. So it lets you, yeah, take a
photo or something and turn it into a pass, OK.
Oh yeah, you can create membership and stuff like that
like I used to manually. I used to use a third party app
to create my gym membership in in here that would create AQR
code and scan it. Yeah, I'm guessing that's
limited to English is why I don't have the.
Option. Oh, that might be.
Yeah. But anyway, so I tried that and
so there's only three visual templates here and they all
right, but we need more, we need way more.
That's. What I have as well as I have 3
templates. Yeah, and you can change the
colours. Those are kind of based on the
types of stuff that are that are in wallet already like is there
more stuff that you can add? But.
I mean like when you go and customize it, you have those
options as the background for example and I say you.
Have like you have 7 different options as the background.
I see. I see what you're saying.
OK. And you can't choose anymore.
You can change the color so that gives you a bunch of variations,
but the colour are the colours are pretty boring.
Like it could be nice if you could add like a logo or
something. It's all right.
It's all right, I think. And it's it is a little more.
Yeah. It's all right anyway, so that's
it. I I like it.
I will install Mac OS27 on my Mac, my only Mac, so I have
backups. I have so many backups.
You know, you know the story. So I'll be fine over it.
There's a there's a Cozy Zone episode about our backup setups.
Yeah, I'll have backups. So I I had a a couple of stories
from WWDCI wanted I wanted to share with you.
OK. Did you take someone?
No, but I did challenge somebody to a race, sort of.
So the last two years Apple has done a dinner for like the press
people the night before the keynote where we just kind of
all go to a hotel. It's kind of like it's almost
like back to school night kind of thing where you're like
seeing all your friends and stuff because like once the
keynote starts, it's like a hurricane.
Like you just you see people as you as they're walking out,
you're walking in, you say hi to people.
Like you don't get to stop and chat with people very much.
So like this is kind of a chance to just talk with everybody,
kind of have a breather before things start.
So I'm at this dinner, I'm hanging out with John, Federico,
Mike, Jason, Dan Moran. Like I'm hanging out with those
guys and I I go walk over to go get some food and all of a
sudden the new guy is walking in John Turnus.
Oh. John Turnus walked into dinner.
I I you could say I have had dinner with John Turnus.
So that's the guy who you kicked?
That No. So who did you walk in?
I didn't. I didn't kick anyone.
I I nobody got kicked.
Well, I didn't kick anyone at least.
I don't know, maybe somebody else kicked somebody.
But anyway, so he walked in and I took a photo with him,
introduced myself just really quick.
There was a bunch of people that wanted to talk to him, so I
didn't want to take a ball of this time, but I did tell my PR
contact. It's like, hey, if you ever need
a fluff piece for John Turnus, like I don't care.
Like you can accuse me of this being a fluff piece.
It absolutely would be a fluff piece.
I don't care, but I want to do it.
So the thing that came out, I believe, is in the Wall Street
Journal or The Washington Post or something like that when John
Turnus got announced as the new CEO.
Yeah, the the portrait kind. Of yeah, he, he's, he's, he's a
big race car driver. He, he races at Laguna Seca in
his Porsche. I was like, I'll put my Mustang
against his Porsche. Like come on, let's do it.
Like, come on, he'll dust me. Like I don't know what Porsche
he has, but he's he's the future CEO of Apple.
He has probably a way nicer Porsche that I can afford.
So he he would dust me, but that's OK.
What? What did the PR people say?
They laughed at me. So anyways, so I had, I had
dinner with John Turnas kind of sort of if he ate, I ate
something there. He, if he ate something there,
we had dinner together, right? That's how it works.
That's that's how it works. I once had, I once had dinner in
a restaurant where I know that Macron had had dinner.
But was it at the same time? No, obviously not.
Oh, OK, OK. No, I I would have left.
I I would think you'd be like. I stayed so that way when he
walked past I could jab him with my fork.
No, he's got the police in his camp.
Yeah, there's. Nothing I can do.
You need a Mustang so they can't catch you anyway.
What? No.
Why did I say nothing? Sorry, was that that was a
story. WWDC was great this year.
It was fun. It's always fun to like see
everybody and hang out. And it was a it was a wild year.
It was there was a lot happening.
Excuse me? Oh, poor you.
I'm so tired I have not recovered from it, but there was
a lot. This was the busiest WWDC I've
ever had to the point where I was in bed at 7:00 Tuesday
night. Like I finished up my stuff.
I went back to my hotel room, I got food and I didn't even try
and get into the Mandalorian and Grogu.
I didn't even because they were showing that at the Steve Jobs
Theatre. They were showing.
I didn't even try and get into it.
I, I did ask one person what it would take and like, you're
asking the wrong person. So I was like, OK, all right,
well, I can't, I can't, I, I probably can't get into it.
So anyways, I literally was so tired Tuesday and I went back to
my hotel room, Phil. I forgot that movie came.
Out I know I've been trying to get you and Matt to watch it so
we can talk about it because he's I really enjoy it did I
thought it was a fun movie. I thought it.
Was enjoy it. It's.
A perfect summer Star Wars, fun movie.
That's all it needed to be. I don't know why everyone else
think it think it needed to be like the next movie in the
Skywalker saga and it needed to be this big old thing.
It did not. It did, exactly.
What it needed to be? Anyways, WWDC was great this
year. I but I had a couple of things
in the betas I wanted to point out.
So describe a shortcut. I talked about it on the last
episode as maybe not working so great.
But then I had my briefing after we recorded on that and I was
thinking about it wrong and, and Federico and I were trying some
stuff with it too, and we were thinking about it wrong.
We were trying to prompt it like it was clawed.
You can't prompt it like it's called.
You can't write out like this big old long post of things you
wanted to do. If the best way to use it is
just tell it the results you want.
Don't tell it how it needs to do it because then that's when it
gets confused. Just tell it the results that
you want and it nails it. It does a great job.
Stephen Robles and I were in the same briefing together and we
were getting to do things like prompt ChatGPT and Claude like
through their API and it was 1 shotting it give.
Me an example. Literally that we got it to one
shot using ChatGPT and Claude's API to prompt.
We also one shotted a clipboard manager.
What else did we do? We one shotted a really nice
morning summary shortcut. The only thing it doesn't do is
it doesn't work with third party apps.
It doesn't do that, and that's a bummer.
So like when you're saying you don't have to talk, talk to it
like it's a prompt. So for example if you want to
create like a basics I don't know.
Well, say, say, let's use the morning summary one because
everyone can understand that. So if you were, if you were
prompting Claude or Open AI or ChatGPT or codecs or whatever,
like if you're prompting that you would tell it every morning,
I need a summary of my day. I need this, this, this, this,
this. I want you to go through and use
the To Do List API to pull my task.
I want you to use the Google Calendar integration to pull my
calendar. I want you to use whatever
e-mail app to find my important emails, look at messages, stuff
like that. For shortcuts, all you would
need to do is tell it, hey, make make me a morning summary
shortcut of my day and it will pull calendar, it'll pull
reminders. And if you want to get specific,
you can be like, hey, make me a morning summary, include
calendar reminders, message important emails and important
messages like that's all you would need to do.
You don't need to prompt it out. You don't need to give it the
the like, hey, use this API or use computer use or any of that
stuff. It'll figure it out.
You just just tell it the results that you want and it it
it will do a good. Job of it.
I've not tried it yet because yeah, I think I I have it right.
So basically, yes, you should have it.
It's not. It's not a part of the Siri AI
that is technically falls into the Apple.
And Oh yeah, there you go. What do you want your shortcut
to do? And it and it is the default way
of building a shortcut. Now something else.
That's OK. OK, first time I've opened this.
OK, you can toggle back and forth between.
You can toggle back and forth. Field the the describe field and
the regular. Editing interface.
So there's something else that's cool and shortcuts that I didn't
get to in the last episode. Automations are now actions.
They are not like this whole separate thing I.
Saw this. This is awesome.
So what this means is 1 you can have multiple automation
triggers. Two, people like us that build
shortcuts for other people. We can now build automations
into the shortcuts so people don't have to manually go and
set U the automations themselves.
This is killer. And there's automations based on
screenshots, notifications, and on the iPad if, if a keyboard is
attached or unattached. And I there might be more.
I, I, I don't know, I haven't completely gone through
everything yet, but yeah, like shortcuts, this was a big
shortcuts year. Like there's a lot in shortcuts.
Yeah, yeah, this is nice. The other thing I want to talk
about is what I mentioned earlier.
I do have the Siri app and I the Siri AI app.
So this replaces Spotlight, Spotlight and Siri.
Once you have the Siri AI app, Spotlight gets replaced and Siri
and Spotlight are merged together now and I love this.
I absolutely love this. A big benefit of this is Apple
completely rebuilt Spotlight and the spotlight index and all that
stuff and so work with Siri and it is so much faster now.
It is, it is way nicer now. I'm, I haven't really tried it
on the MacBook Neo. I, I just installed Golden Gate,
poked around, it was still doing all the indexing stuff.
So I haven't really seen how well it works, but I'm curious
about that. So you're saying tiny start is
dead? No, I think you need to start
marketing tiny start as the launcher without AI.
Like you need to start making that marketing now.
OK. Yeah.
No, you, you need to get on that because it is very obvious.
It's the Siri and the AI stuff is built into it now.
What it's like on the Mac I I'll believe it when I see it.
I think it it's, I think it's pretty good now.
One of my favorite things is you can now get to let me pull
something U here O When you have an A open, you can now get to
spotlight from anywhere by pulling down from the middle any
app. On the iPhone and iPad you can
now access spotlight while an app is open.
So excited about this. This has been needed to be there
for a long time. On the iPad, technically you
could do it. If you had a keyboard attached,
you could hit command space. Before you could technically
have an app open, swipe down to get to notification center and
then swipe down in the middle to bring up spotlight.
But it was a pain. Now it's just right there.
So 2. Really nice.
Is it so now you have to to get to your notifications you have
to pull down from the left side. Right at the top the the left
side, yeah. How annoying is that?
Is it fine? It's not, it's fine.
It's really not that big of a deal.
It's fine. It's just like getting used to
Control Center pulling down on the right side.
It's really not that. Maybe I'm used to it because
that's what you had to do on the iPad last year because of the
menu bar was if you swipe down in the middle that you would
bring up the menu bar and iPad OS.
So I'm already kind of used to that, but it's not that big of a
deal on the iPad. They did move that.
They did change how the menu bar worked because of this.
I think they changed it because of the spotlight feature because
Spotlight was getting that swipe down from the middle.
So the menu bar is now that persistent thing, which I like
the Siri AI app so far. So I've had it for a few days
now and it has completely replaced my replace my use of
regular clod and ChatGPT, not cloud code and not codex.
It's not an agent, but it's replaced my like, hey, this is
where I go to search for something like I was looking for
a restaurant and I just typed like what's around me, like what
what restaurants are around me And it gave me a whole bunch of
things and I found one from it and I was like this is great.
So I'm pretty happy with it and I love that it's just built into
the system. Like I can just hold down the
button and there's the new Siri right there.
And Siri sounds really good here.
In fact, let's let's demo it here.
Siri, I'm testing you out. What should I do with you?
You can ask me to set an alarm, check the weather, or play some
music. I can also help you with
calculations, translations, and finding information on just
about anything. So I, I think the new voice
sounds really good. The the setting to change like
how the how fast it talks in the pitch and stuff like that isn't
available just yet. But the I think the new voice
sounds really good right now, at least for me.
All I have the option to do is American voices and it's kind of
a male or female ish voice. That's all I really have right
now. It's it's then they don't even
call it that. It's just voice one or voice 2.
Like here. I'll play them for you.
Hi, let's find the right voice for you.
I'll practice some things I like to say while you listen.
Hi, let's find the right voice for you.
I'll practice some things I like to say while you listen.
Let me try this one out and I I think they said they both sound
very, very good like like probably some of the best voice
stuff that I've ever used. Yeah, that's nice.
But I mentioned, so this is not an agent.
This is not a go out and do a bunch of tasks like it.
It's really good at like handling a single task and then
maybe chaining another task on top of it.
But it's not an agent where it's just running in the background
and doing things all the time. But at the Tech Talk, Michael
Rockwell acknowledged that agents are a thing.
And they said their system is very flexible.
So if that's something you're you're wanting, I wouldn't be
surprised if it shows up next year.
Nice, I'm dying over here. How did you?
I, I can, I can see, I'm sorry, I'm, I'm sorry.
I know it's that time of the year for you.
Yeah, all right. Yeah I so I will be able to try
Serie AI on the Mac. Oh, yeah, because that's not a
monopoly. And that I didn't mean that.
That came out kind of sounding a little meanish, but I didn't
mean it like that. According to the DMA, they they
haven't classified that as a monopoly.
Oh, that's right. OK, good.
It is available for us, but just on the Mac, so I will try that
there. Regarding the spotlight speed,
yeah, I you know, I've been burnt before.
I know, but it is literally they, they, they have told me
they rebuilt it from the ground up.
It is not. There's nothing carried over
from the previous spotlight other than like the branding,
like it's, it's it the, the back of the back end of spotlight has
been rebuilt. So I, I would give it another
go. I know you are you make a
spotlight competitor, but for the sake of you know the show, I
would I would give it a shot, but of course I will check it.
Out. But also neon you need to get on
making branding for tiny start to non AI app launcher like you
need to get on that. I'm not sure about that.
You do, you really do, I'm telling you like it will do
wonders because every other launcher is going to have a has
AI in that's. True, and I'm not.
I'm not adding it to tiny start. I know you're not.
I, I respect it. Yeah.
That's, that's kind of my end of WWDC recap kind of thing.
It's, it's the Friday of the week of WWDC.
We're recording this. You're getting it the week
after. But yeah, that's, that's kind of
where I'm at. And I need to get some videos
posted. I had some stuff happen that
that caused some delays, but I, I need to get some videos
posted. Hopefully by the time you're all
hearing this, I have some videos for you.
OK. All right, we had, we didn't
have a challenge this last week. No, we no, no, it was because
WWDC was weird. Nobody issued a challenge.
But it is my challenge to issue for this week.
And before I tell you what it is, I need to remind you what
the tagline of the show is. We're pushing ourselves outside
of our comfort zone. We, we are, you know, we're
challenging ourselves. OK, OK.
You're not going to hate me. Promise you're not going to hate
me. All right.
And and it's pretty vague. So you can let it, you can let
it go in any way you want. You can.
You can interpret it any way you want.
Come on, spill it. Let an AI run your life for the
week. That's not possible.
Yes, it is. How?
Talk to it. Let it run your life.
Ask it questions. Whenever you have a decision to
make, ask it what you should do. I'm not necessarily saying you
need to follow it, but I'm just saying like, hey, when something
comes up and you're like hey, I need to go to the car wash and
should I take my car to the car wash?
I will see what the process. OK, OK, I'll run into limits all
the time. I'm not paying for any of it.
Oh, you're not OK? Well, good.
Tell us your ability to the best of your ability.
I. Will report back.
Yep. Yeah.
How low the limits are? That's fine.
I I look, I'm not saying you need to let it go off and do all
the all the work tasks you need to do.
I'm like, I'm not going to let it take over running my or or
editing videos. In the podcast, it's my Job,
it's official. OK, there you go.
You may you may find out it can do your job and you can go sit
on a beach somewhere. That's good.
All right, Well, that by. The way computer use which you
talked about codecs computer use all of that not available in the
EU. Yes, I think we talked about
this, but yes. Oh, it is, yeah.
Not available in the EUI don't know why.
It's not available. I don't know why either.
I'm wondering why I. I wonder, I wonder.
No, it doesn't makes. And they haven't like even
communicated anything about it. They just.
Yeah, I don't know. In the support page.
Not available in the EU and I don't know why.
Well, stop being mean to the the the small tech companies.
I'm pretty sure the EU hasn't done anything to them, which is
a surprise, so that's why I'm surprised.
I wish they had done something to them but they have not like.
Yeah, I don't. I don't.
I don't know about. That.
But like I said, I hate those guys, so they don't do what I
want them to do. So yeah.
Yeah. All right.
Well, that brings us to the end of the show.
And I didn't break down the end of the show question.
Do you do you have something? Yeah, let me think about it.
OK. Oh, how?
How do I? OK, Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait
for it. How many games of the FIFA World
Cup will you be watching? 0 How many will you be watching?
I don't know. So here's the thing.
This is a whole Nova topic I saw I have always in in in French.
In casual French, when we say we we like football, we say we are
a futiques. A Futiques.
Yeah, futiques. OK, so I'm I'm that not not too
deep into it, but I really like foot football.
I've always I've always like, loved it and the World Cup is
like a major event for me. Like I always anticipated.
I was super happy when it comes up and then 2022 came along and
it was in Qatar where? Oh.
Where basically slaves built the stadiums and AC was put it in,
was put in the stadiums, in stadiums that were built in the
desert. So AC in the desert, that makes
sense. And now 2026 came along, and
it's in the US for most of it and.
Probably. Yeah, but in the US for most of
it, and probably Trump will lift the cup at some point before
giving it to the winners in the final.
So it sucks. I really like football and if
there is a year to boycott it, it would be this year.
But yeah, anyway, all of this to say, I'm watching, but I'm
watching discreetly. I don't want like to promote it.
If if you want to boycott it, I would encourage you to do it.
But also I'm not doing it, so whatever.
Yeah, I I'm boycotting it. I'm I'm you.
Know, yeah, that's what you're doing, yes.
I, I, you know, I'm boycotting it so hard.
I'm boycotting all of soccer. OK, football, but yes.
Soccer. So my TikTok feed right now is
so funny because my TikTok feed is full of football right now
and it's mostly French people and European people mocking the
Americans. Like the American supporters
specifically, like, like the US supporters chanting.
It's called soccer. It's called soccer.
Like, oh. God we are so obnoxious.
Look, you are the your crowd is the cringiest.
We're so nauseous. OK, listen, Americans, let's
just let them have the World Cup and we'll all go to monster
truck rallies in tractor polls. Like let's just, we can go to
the monster truck rallies. They have 0 interest in it.
We'll go to that. They're they're the ones missing
out. They're going to sit there for
like 2 hours getting excited over a no score game and we're
going to be watching trucks. You crush cars.
Like, come on, we, we win this one, obviously, but we'll just
let him have that. And there's a whole thing with
the Metlab Stadium in, what is it, New York, New Jersey?
I have no idea. I think it's New York.
Yeah, around there where basically you can't go there on
foot, you have to pay transit and it's $120.00 for the trip,
are you? Kidding me?
No. You can't walk to it.
You can't, you can't walk to it because it's like across several
highways. It's extremely dangerous.
So there's a trend on TikTok where some European people are
proving that you can actually walk to it, but it takes 4 hours
and you risk your life multiple points doing it.
And also when you get there, there's actually huge signs that
say the pedestrian entries are forbidden, so you act.
It's the ones you watch. Oh my God, you can't enter the
stadium on foot. You have to call an Uber to take
you 2 minutes around the corner. Yeah, that's it.
Anyway, all of this to say, I'm watching all of them.
OK so Speaking of Ubers and stuff, WWDC Waymos are
everywhere. The time is driving car
everywhere. Oh my God I got stuck behind
one. It made me so mad because I was
making stupid decisions and they're expensive too to take
but like I I refuse to get into one.
I am not a good passenger in cars and a passenger in a
driverless vehicle sounds sounds horrible.
To me, maybe it's liberating to be in a in a driverless car.
I mean, you know, your driver's not problematic and hasn't said
anything racist on Twitter. Really.
Yeah, because there's no driver. Oh, I guess that's true.
OK, I was the driver. I was trying to think who is the
CEO of Waymo? Whatever.
Oh, yeah, no, I have no idea. I, I he may be the I'm going to
go ahead and assume it's a he. I have no idea, but I'm going to
go ahead and assume it's a he. It might be the most problematic
person since Hitler, but I I don't know.
But I have no idea. Maybe maybe they're the nicest
person since like Julia Childs. I don't, I don't know.
I don't know who who's a nice person, but the issue.
With the games of the World Cup, is that because of the time
difference? Like I'm looking at the schedule
right now, so the earliest are at 9:00 PM for me and like most
of them are at midnight, 3:00 AM, six AM, 4:00 AM.
Basically everyone that cares about the World Cup is going to
have to watch this at Ridiculous.
So this is like me when it comes to Formula One.
I'm watching Formula One at ridiculous times.
But I also know it it's starting to become a more American thing,
like, like America is starting to care about a little bit more,
but like really like, it's the other side of the world that
cares about it. At least the South Americans are
probably happy. That's true.
They they love soccer. And they love football, yeah.
They love soccer. Football, yeah.
It's wild to me that the British invented the sport, they called
it soccer, and it got so far away from them that even they
call it football. Did they call it soccer?
I'm misinformation. No, in the Ted Lasso episode
they explained that Ted Lasso would never lie to us.
And Ted Lasso is a documentary, of course.
It's it is. I don't know what to talk about.
Anyway. All right, I will talk to you
later. Yes, have a good week.
Yes, everyone, everyone, everyone, have a good week.
Bye.