1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,280 Welcome to Comfort Zone, a podcast all about pushing your 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,760 host well outside of their comfort zone. 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,360 I'm Christopher Lawley and each week I am joined by two 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:17,000 incredible Co hosts and we are all back together in our normal 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,120 spots. It's been weeks. 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,560 Weeks, I say. It's been a while. 7 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,360 As always, I'm joined by Matt Burchler. 8 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,200 Matt, how are you? I'm I'm good. 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,680 I also, I don't know if you guys thought I wouldn't listen to 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,119 last week's episode, but I listened to every second of it 11 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,560 and I didn't even need to. I could have listened to the 1st 12 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:39,120 30 seconds to know that you called me a terrible person. 13 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,320 Did we do that? You did do that. 14 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:47,200 It was almost immediate. Whoops. 15 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,840 It was like, it's just the two of us this week, and that's 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,840 because our third host is doing hostile takeovers, destroying 17 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,040 lives. It was the destroying lives that 18 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,040 really got me. I mean, sure, obviously that's 19 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,480 what the business stuff is, but we don't need to talk about it. 20 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,360 I stand by every word I said. I stand by it. 21 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,520 We know. We know you're secretly Mr. 22 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:12,960 Scrooge and not like Dickens, Mr. Scrooge, or Scrooge Mcduck. 23 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:20,600 Like, if only Yeah had silo of gold coins to dive into. 24 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,120 Anyways, we're also joined by Neon. 25 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,080 Neon, how are you? Hello, I'm fine. 26 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,840 That's that's wonderful. We have a whole host of tiny 27 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,440 topics. One thing that I wanted to 28 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,000 mention is I have a new membership. 29 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,680 I started it up a little bit before WWDC, but we've had some 30 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,000 wild episodes and I haven't had a chance to talk about it. 31 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,560 This is, if you haven't seen it by now, I'm doing this because 32 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,720 I'm trying to lessen my reliance on ads. 33 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,880 I don't like the fact that every single one of my video has a ad 34 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,480 in it. And it's, you know, the, when I 35 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,400 say that, not the YouTube ads, it's a long story. 36 00:01:58,400 --> 00:01:59,720 You kind of have to have those now. 37 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:06,160 But I mean, the this video is sponsored by Y or X or whatever, 38 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,080 not X, the Twitter client. I was trying to avoid saying 39 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:13,040 that I would never take money from them. 40 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,880 Anyways, I have a whole new membership. 41 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:20,640 There's a bunch of details on it in there, but basically it's a 42 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:24,040 way where you all can get a little bit more on the YouTube 43 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,720 side of things for my business. Plus I am working on some apps 44 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,600 and you're going to get access to the apps, Wallpapers and a 45 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,000 weekly newsletter. So anyways, yeah, I have AI have 46 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,320 a new membership in if you'd like to go check it out I'd 47 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,960 appreciate it. Well done, I think the 48 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,880 Wallpapers alone are worth it. Thank you. 49 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,440 Thank you. Yes, Every wallpaper I've ever 50 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,000 released is on the Patriot and basically going for I need to 51 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,000 shut my old wallpaper store down, but going forward, that's 52 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,760 just where I'm going to do Wallpapers. 53 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,920 If you're a member, you just get up because it makes things 54 00:02:57,920 --> 00:03:01,240 easier. Can we as members, if we 55 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,960 subscribe, can we request Wallpapers? 56 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:09,240 Yes, but if you request a dynamic wallpaper you will be 57 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,080 banned. There's nothing Neil Young likes 58 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:16,800 more than requesting wallpaper. I I I I just, I I cannot see 59 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,320 myself standing in the same spot for 24 hours taking a photo 60 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,680 every hour to make a dynamic wallpaper like I, I just, I 61 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,680 don't I. Maybe that's not how those are 62 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,800 made, but I don't understand how they wouldn't be made in any 63 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,680 other way. Maybe they're just all AI. 64 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,120 Well, we'll. This will be a topic at the 65 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,280 shareholder meeting. OK, all right. 66 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:41,520 Wait, what? All right. 67 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,640 Well, anyway, so that's there. I'd love it if you all checked 68 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:45,920 it out. I'd appreciate it. 69 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,680 There's a whole host of things. There's a bunch of reasons why 70 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,560 I'm doing it and they're all on there. 71 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,640 OK well I have joined and it's nice and it was cool seeing your 72 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:00,400 WWC video early before you traveled and everything. 73 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,800 It was cool. Thank you and I will have other 74 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:07,360 videos out early on the Patreon. I've had some family stuff 75 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,240 happen that I will get into. I'm not going to even get into 76 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,600 it, but like I've had some family stuff happen this week 77 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:17,399 that are the last 3-4 weeks. I'm like like that. 78 00:04:17,399 --> 00:04:21,040 I don't even know. So that's why I haven't been 79 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:22,520 putting out a ton of videos right now. 80 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,720 Yeah, yeah, totally understandable. 81 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,800 Another topic for the shareholder meeting, but. 82 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,320 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys know? 83 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:36,200 What's happening is coming out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 84 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,320 All right. So who owes an apology to who I 85 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,680 I see. This I owe an apology to Noya 86 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,520 Cast. OK, Noya Cast is a podcast 87 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:52,600 player for iOS that I mentioned eons ago on this very show. 88 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:57,480 Probably like in the 1st few episodes I I remember that it 89 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,880 was very a long a long time ago it. 90 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:05,000 It was early on. Yeah, and now your cast is so 91 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,880 it's a podcast player and it looks very nice. 92 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,440 And I remember on the show. And that's why I I want to owe 93 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,920 an apology to this, to the person who makes it. 94 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:19,400 We we, we were marking the now playing view, which looks like 95 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:20,840 this, if you can see on my camera. 96 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,840 But basically to describe it, it's there's no cover artwork. 97 00:05:24,840 --> 00:05:29,360 It's just big font with the title of the episode. 98 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,280 Yeah. And we, yeah, we marked it. 99 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,080 I remember on the show we were like, that's, that's stupid, 100 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,160 that is. Because we do it again. 101 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,880 So yeah, I know I'm. Ready to do the same thing 102 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,800 because we we had just got out our amazing comfort. 103 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,520 Zone artwork. Yes, I know, I know, but hear me 104 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,160 out. I think I kind of love this app 105 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:53,520 now. I think I like it. 106 00:05:53,520 --> 00:06:00,640 I really like it because the UI feels amazing, like it's the 107 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,320 small things, but it feels really amazing to use. 108 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,800 I kind of wish there was an option to show cover artwork 109 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,440 instead of the big font episode title. 110 00:06:11,840 --> 00:06:15,280 I was still wish that was a thing, but that's I guess the 111 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:17,200 choice that they made, the design choice that they made. 112 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,040 That being said, I think this app is very good. 113 00:06:22,280 --> 00:06:26,440 It's got chapter support. I'm showcasing it with ATP right 114 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,480 here. It's got chapter support 115 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,840 description is being weird for some podcast for example for ATP 116 00:06:34,280 --> 00:06:36,720 like links are working everything but the bullet points 117 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:41,360 are not showing up. Whereas in our show notes in in 118 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,800 the conference show notes, the bullet points show up. 119 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:48,000 So something's being read. I reported it a few weeks ago by 120 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,280 e-mail. I don't know if they read it. 121 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:52,680 But anyway, apart from that, I really like this. 122 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:57,160 And the main view is like it's very, it's a chronological view 123 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,720 with just the latest episodes, which is something I just, I 124 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,400 just want out of a podcast app. But you can queue stuff. 125 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:10,640 You can search for episodes, of course, some a couple of small 126 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,360 settings that you can tweak and you can pay for more settings. 127 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,160 But I don't even pay for the like. 128 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,560 I don't even pay. I'm using it. 129 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,880 I'm I'm using the app for free. I don't even need to pay for 130 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:26,360 anything. It's perfectly fine and bonus 131 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,840 point if you install it on the Mac as an iPhone app, it works 132 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,440 well. It just works really well with 133 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,960 the mouse on a on a Mac. It's surprisingly because it 134 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,760 doesn't look mouse friendly, but it it very much is. 135 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,920 So there you go. The one thing that's worth 136 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,760 noticing is that mentioning is that there's no sync. 137 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,560 There's no cloud sync, so if you install it on the Mac, you will 138 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,920 not sync with the one on your phone. 139 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:57,120 But the way I'm using it, it's just like I imported the same 140 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:02,160 OPML file with all my podcasts in on the Mac and on the iPhone. 141 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,160 So it's just the same chronological feed. 142 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,840 So what's not syncing is just the progress and the played 143 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:08,880 status. But that's fine. 144 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,040 So there you go. Apologies. 145 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:16,240 I think I really like this app after after thinking about it. 146 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,000 All right. Justice for Newcast. 147 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,520 New. Noya cast. 148 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,080 I can't get past the no artwork thing like I really. 149 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:32,159 Can't get past that. It's fine, it looks good, but 150 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:35,720 the whole no artwork thing I I feel like that's the developer 151 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:40,760 making a choice for a lot of podcasters that basically no 152 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,200 podcaster would agree with. You still see the artwork in, in 153 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:48,160 most places, like when you go on the on the podcast page, the 154 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:49,880 artwork is there. You can tap on it. 155 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:57,240 No, you can't, but it's there. It's fine. 156 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,000 And it's on the lock screen. You you got you still got your 157 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,720 iPhone lock screen. There you go. 158 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:03,600 So they have it, they just refuse to use it. 159 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,840 Could that That's right. You know, that's why there's a 160 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,120 bunch of podcast apps and you can just choose the one that 161 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,960 shows the artwork. In fact, if that's your 162 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,760 requirement, you have so many options. 163 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,320 Anyway, I have something else to mention. 164 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,760 OK, so apologies to Norikas, that's done. 165 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,760 Something else I want to mention is Jet Lag. 166 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,120 Baby. The new season of Jet Lag is 167 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,600 amazing. So good Chris is still hating on 168 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,320 it. He refuses to watch it. 169 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,720 Chris is hating on it. I just haven't had time. 170 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,240 It's an America season. They're, they're going across 171 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,000 America. They're, they're, there's very 172 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,600 little public transport. It's planes and cars, baby. 173 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,000 Yeah, that's what I was. Those are my favorite. 174 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,240 That's why I wanted to mention it this time, especially because 175 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,520 it's been a few seasons already that since the last time we 176 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,920 talked about it. But this new one especially so 177 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,600 it's in America and it's so freaking American. 178 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,280 It like it's a, it's like it's a curiosity for me to watch it 179 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,360 even more than usual because most of the seasons happen in 180 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:05,840 like in Europe, there's even like a handful of seasons 181 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,560 happening all in France for the most part. 182 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,840 So I recognize all the place. I recognize the trains it, it's 183 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,480 familiar. But now a season of jet lag in 184 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,200 the US is like everything feels insane. 185 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:19,960 Like everything looks insane to me. 186 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,680 The, the, the fact that they have to get on a plane to go 187 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,720 anywhere is fascinating to me. The amount of money they're 188 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,320 spending everyday to make that happen is incredible. 189 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,760 And also just the cities themselves, the landmarks 190 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,800 they're visiting, some of them are make no sense. 191 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:44,120 I don't know we even know why a Coca-Cola painting is a 192 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,760 landmark, but it. Is a whole Coca-Cola museum. 193 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,680 Yes, a museum, you know, you know there's Doctor Pepper 194 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:53,560 museums in Texas, right? Oh, I'm sure. 195 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,560 Oh boy, I'm actually going to be in Atlanta next, this time next 196 00:10:57,560 --> 00:11:01,120 week, so I could just. Try and order a Pepsi while 197 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:02,280 you're there. Oh, I don't. 198 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:07,360 I don't want to die. Yeah, no, it's it's great. 199 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,160 Chris, you you should watch it. I don't think that I have 200 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:14,440 effectively communicated the obsession that that Jed lag has 201 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:19,920 caused in me. I have seen all 2020 seasons, 18 202 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:21,760 seasons. They're up to nearly 20 seasons. 203 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,360 I've seen them all twice. It is must must see viewing 204 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,120 every Wednesday when a new episode comes out. 205 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,840 And if you're not watching a nebula you're you're a week 206 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:31,840 behind. So yeah, interesting. 207 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,200 Highly recommend that. All right, maybe this is 208 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:35,520 something I can get Danielle into. 209 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,440 I am curious because they're doing American season. 210 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,920 Is anyone trying to do a cannonball run? 211 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,040 That I've seen yet. Not yet, but this. 212 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,800 Is but there's a challenge, they do a challenge when they go to 213 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:52,080 every state to claim that state. And so it could be that it comes 214 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,840 up later. But all. 215 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:58,520 Right. Well, you don't have to watch 216 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,720 Jeff. He really doesn't want to watch 217 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,360 Deadlag. Wow. 218 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,720 This guy. I think he hates the US is the 219 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,920 conclusion I'm reaching. I think he does. 220 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,840 I think it's the cars he doesn't like. 221 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:14,120 There might be a Ford car and you'd have to and admit that he 222 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,400 actually doesn't like Ford. He doesn't like Doctor Pepper. 223 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:20,720 Yeah, So every this is staying in Chris when you're editing 224 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,640 this so. Yeah, Editor Chris, this this 225 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,480 all stays in. Yeah, I have some Riverside 226 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,800 alternatives that I am ready to look into. 227 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:35,080 I am really sick of Riverside. I'm up for it to to switch. 228 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,320 Yeah, I, I, I got to do some research when I have time. 229 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,600 Right now I don't have time. But anyways, let's get back to 230 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,600 the show. Yeah, OK, we, we, we smoothly 231 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,480 went on and finished that topic. So no, no worries. 232 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,360 Yeah, we said technically easy for you, I said. 233 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,280 You're you're a great person and. 234 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,040 Interesting. He's drinking a Doctor Pepper 235 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:53,800 that doesn't align with what we just said. 236 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,280 No, that's when OK. Well, it is still 8:00 in the 237 00:12:58,280 --> 00:12:59,600 morning. I can't go to the other stuff 238 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:06,240 yet. All right, one more thing. 239 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,320 I have the browser podcast baby. It's. 240 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,360 Microsoft, it's wrong. Need me for any of this episode? 241 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:19,680 Yes, maybe not, I don't know. Yes, the browser podcast, 242 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:22,400 because there's one bit of news I wanted to mention because I 243 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,320 found it's very funny. It's so basically the bit of 244 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,280 news is some guy at Microsoft who who was the guys? 245 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:37,760 I don't know, some guy at Microsoft, he went, went on 246 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:45,200 publicly and said that he got Blink to a Blink browser to run 247 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:51,520 on iOS, right, using what Apple has put in place for compliance 248 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:57,960 with the DMA in the EU, where alternative browser engines are 249 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:05,000 allowed to run in the EU on iOS. And basically the results, like 250 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,880 he made a bunch of speed tests, benchmarks, whatever the results 251 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:16,360 is, it's massively faster than Safari in every way is the 252 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,480 conclusion, which is very funny, very interesting. 253 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:25,720 Nobody could have expected that. So yes, what's the number again? 254 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:32,000 Yeah, up to 30% more performance on iOS when he tried Blink on 255 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,360 iOS compared to Safari. So there you go. 256 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,880 The bit of news is Microsoft is maybe the saviour. 257 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,600 We're waiting. We're waiting for Microsoft will 258 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,760 save us from this monopoly. What's happening here? 259 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:52,360 Thank you Microsoft. Yeah, you are the protector 260 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,920 against monopolies is what you are. 261 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,680 I know. Where we need and always have 262 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,480 that. Yes, and I've never been one 263 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,880 yourself. No, absolutely not. 264 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,000 Well, I would love to see this. That's very cool. 265 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,080 You said Blink, and I like my brain broke for a second because 266 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,560 we always say Chromium, but Blink is the engine. 267 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,600 Chromium is kind of app. Yeah, yeah. 268 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,000 Exactly. Blink is the engine behind 269 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,760 Chrome. It's. 270 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:24,000 Their web kit, Yeah, OK, well, cool. 271 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:28,520 OK. I have one tiny topic as well 272 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,840 and I just wanted to say a a very a very fond farewell to a 273 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:35,960 friend. Tangerine UI. 274 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,200 You were not long for this world, but you were the best way 275 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,720 to use Mastodon. Oh, what happened? 276 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,920 Oh yeah. The creator abandoned their 277 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,000 project. No one is getting refunds. 278 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:52,960 Wow. Yes, as we're recording this 279 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,440 morning, I announced that I will stop maintaining Tangerine UI 280 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,280 for multiple reasons. Because it's Long story short, 281 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,440 it's become a bit hard to maintain with every release of 282 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:09,760 Mastodon, leading things to be repaired and adapted to new 283 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,360 features. Because Mastodon, they're on the 284 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,640 pace, they're adding new stuff rapidly and quicker than ever, 285 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:17,800 but I don't have that time to keep up. 286 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,360 Time and energy to keep up. So and also in the post where 287 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,480 and announced this, I said, you know what, Mastodon has come a 288 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,200 long way. Mastodon has come a long way. 289 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:32,560 The default UI still looks too sterile, but it's come a long 290 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,080 way. I think it's it's pretty great 291 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,520 compared to how it was in 2023 when I started Tangerine UI. 292 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:48,800 And I hear through the grapevines that it will get much 293 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,520 better. Ah, Mastodon's web UI will get 294 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:56,000 much better. So I feel good leaving it 295 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,800 behind. And I recommend as an 296 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,480 alternative for people who loved Tangerine UI, check out Fem P. 297 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,560 I've talked about Fem P many times. 298 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,240 Still great. I still use it a lot. 299 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,720 There you go. Nice, well, and one for the 300 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,560 homies. I would pour something out, but 301 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,119 I, I don't waste Doctor Pepper and that's all I have around me. 302 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:20,760 So you know, at my funeral I everyone's going to need to do a 303 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,520 21 Doctor Pepper salute and shotgun them. 304 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,400 Right. I'll be busy that day. 305 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,400 I'm so sorry. It's probably next week. 306 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:37,960 Anyways, this week on Cozy Zone we roasted New Leon's new setup. 307 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:44,360 She moved and we, we, we, we, we pinched and zoomed, we went into 308 00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:47,160 some details. So for those that aren't aware, 309 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:52,000 Cozy zone is our members only show where you get an extra 310 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,640 episode of us every single week. It's, it's a great deal. 311 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,200 It's 5 bucks a month. Like 5 bucks is nothing. 312 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:01,200 I, I, I spent, I spent more than 5 bucks on like silly things 313 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,440 this week. I'd rather spend 5 bucks on me. 314 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:10,520 You spend you spend multiples of 5 bucks on codecs probably. 315 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,880 Yes, yes, I did. Actually, Yes, I did save it for 316 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,960 next week when I have a topic. But yeah, I spent a lot of money 317 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:25,200 on codecs this week. Yeah. 318 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,200 Anyways, let's get into the main show. 319 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:29,600 We don't need to worry about my my codecs. 320 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,800 Bill, nearly on your first up in the document. 321 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,280 What, what? What reasonable topic do you 322 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:40,640 have for us this week? A full window management reset 323 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,240 on my Mac. Tell me what to install. 324 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,400 Do you really need for this one? Tell me what front matter I need 325 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,600 to update. Give me the YAML, I'm ready. 326 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,080 So you're not ready for no, you're actually not ready for 327 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:56,360 this matter. It's just gonna be stage 328 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,200 manager. No, no, no, hell no. 329 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:04,160 Not touching that thing again ever again. 330 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,160 No, you don't have to install Apple because what I've done is 331 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:14,800 uninstall a bunch of things. I have uninstalled moon, 332 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:22,160 uninstalled Rectangle Bento box, basically most of the window 333 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,640 management utilities apart from beta touch tool that I've 334 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:30,400 mentioned on this show. Since it started, I've 335 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,520 uninstalled only kept better touch tool because I use it for 336 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:40,320 so many things and reason why is a unexpected trigger. 337 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:44,080 Let's say. So just like we mentioned, we 338 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:48,160 talked on the on Cozy Zone that I have a new desk set up with a 339 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:55,360 much bigger desk as a result, much, much more efficient use of 340 00:19:55,360 --> 00:20:00,440 the space. My 30 inch monitor is further 341 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:06,000 away from me. My MacBook Pros screen, I'm 342 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,080 using it as a second display on the side on the stand. 343 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,680 It's also a bit further away from me than you used to be on 344 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:18,200 the my older desk. And So what I did is I increased 345 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,120 the size I blow up. I blew up everything. 346 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:25,360 Like the size of everything. I so I, I actually lowered the 347 00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:29,680 resolution like the scaled resolution on Mac OS for both my 348 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:37,280 monitor and the built in display some context and I know this 349 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,200 this will get maybe too nerdy. I don't know how much people 350 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,920 care about this but there you go. 351 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:50,000 My 30 inch monitor it's native resolution like the full 352 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:57,120 resolution right is 3840 by 2560. 353 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,040 OK, so it's 4K. It's a 4K but three by. 354 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,560 Two, basically, yes. Oh, that's weird. 355 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:04,600 OK, Yeah. Yeah. 356 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,240 That's OK. It's like IMAX. 357 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,840 Three by two. Yeah, that, that is. 358 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,680 Yeah, that is like IMAX. Is it IMAX? 359 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,520 This is the true way to watch the Odyssey there. 360 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,240 You go. My monitor is an IMAX monitor is 361 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:24,320 what I'm saying. If you sit close enough to it. 362 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:32,480 Yeah, yeah, there you go. So there, yes, that's the native 363 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,760 resolution and I was using it at. 364 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,520 So I scaled down resolution in one one of the settings I can 365 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:46,520 choose in Mac OS at 200. No, what what was it 2560 by 17 366 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:53,840 O 70 God, that's that's we had. Like you say, 14-40, but OK, all 367 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,360 right, we had. That's 1440P, but yeah, yeah, 368 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,200 yeah. Focus on the width. 369 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,640 Focus on the yeah, yeah. Yeah, focus on the width. 370 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:07,560 So yes, 2560 is the width. So a kind of a weird scaling 371 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:12,160 factor. And people are always very. 372 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,600 Don't. Bring it up, it's a cold. 373 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:22,080 Probably it's people being very harsh about which resolution you 374 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,440 choose for your forecast display. 375 00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:26,800 If you're not pixel doubling and it's totally retinal, you're 376 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,080 going to get roasted and one of those people is on the call. 377 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:36,120 Matt, your Matt, your monitor is that you have the same panel I 378 00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:39,280 have. You use it at the native default 379 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,560 resolution. That UI is massive. 380 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,080 Like you could have glaucoma and still read that stuff without 381 00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:50,560 any correction like that. That UI is huge. 382 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,040 You have to change it. We have to I've. 383 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,640 Got lasix 2020 vision too I'm I can see everything crystal clear 384 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:57,880 that. That that that. 385 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,720 That doesn't make any sense. I think we're leading up to 386 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,360 Neilion saying she's doing that too though. 387 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,280 Yes, that's what I'm. Oh my. 388 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:10,320 God. I what is wrong with my Co host? 389 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:19,720 So now I have chosen to set it to 1920 is the width that I've 390 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,400 chosen. So supposedly it like it's a 391 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,600 perfect multiplier of fact. Like yeah, perfect scaling from 392 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,880 the native resolution. So what? 393 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,480 What can you have like 1 window open and that's your whole 394 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,360 window management? I have one Finder window open at 395 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:37,200 a time. And that is my new window 396 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,920 management. Not just but almost. 397 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,720 Oh my God. She gets a full screen sticky 398 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,800 and that's that's where that's where she can do any writing. 399 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:53,040 Is a full screen sticky on a 30 inch monitor but the way Nolan 400 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,240 intended? But you're getting close to 401 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,200 what's happening, so. Oh God. 402 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,760 I have much less room than I used to have, but you know what 403 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,560 I think? I think I really like it. 404 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,960 Everything's bigger and it's so much more comfortable to read 405 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,080 stuff. It probably looks so crisp too 406 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,640 like like it does. I had no idea my monitor was so 407 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:19,520 crisp, like for real. Yeah. 408 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,080 Text is crisp like I didn't, I didn't know my monitor could do 409 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,960 that. I thought you know. 410 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:27,000 Oh my gosh. It's very crisp. 411 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,360 I support this 100%. Look, grandma mode for your 412 00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:32,120 monitor is that's that's the way to go. 413 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,120 Oh, my guess. That's it. 414 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,960 As somebody that went from a studio display and used it at 415 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:43,560 the native resolution of the studio display to a 32 inch 4K 416 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:51,000 using it at 4K so 3820 by 21. 2160, yeah. 417 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,600 It's fine. It's fine, yes. 418 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,960 It's not quite as sharp as proper retina, but it's fine. 419 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,760 Oh, it's fine, it works. And you know what? 420 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,480 I can have multiple windows open at the same time. 421 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,280 Oh, what a luxury. Not, not necessary. 422 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,560 But you know, now like it's difficult for me because I don't 423 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,320 think I want, I want like I wish I had more room. 424 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,920 But the trade off I, I don't know if I can make it like it. 425 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,320 It feels I have a like I have a new monitor because even though 426 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,600 that monitor is 4 years old which is very weird. 427 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,280 I'll tell you what here, here's the defense. 428 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,520 Here's one of the reasons I did it years ago when I was 429 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,640 designing stuff, I would design it on a desktop display that was 430 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,000 much bigger than the laptop screen most people were using. 431 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,840 And I'd like open it on a laptop and I'd be like, oh, that's 432 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,040 huge. But when you're it's huge here, 433 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,120 then you just, you're basically designing for laptop users and 434 00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:54,200 iPad users as well. You know what? 435 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,600 That's, that's very true, yeah. Chris is ears perked up. 436 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,000 No. No. 437 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,040 Nope. He's I don't buy this defense at 438 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,080 all. I don't buy it. 439 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,960 So we come to this. We come back to the topic of how 440 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,240 do I deal with the with windows now? 441 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:16,160 And the way I'm dealing with the windows now is I'm just using 442 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:22,600 the default Mac OS tiling stuff where you drag and drop to your 443 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,120 window, to the menu bar, left, right, or each of the four 444 00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:28,160 corners, and it just tiles in place. 445 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:33,480 I think this works really well because why did I use Moon 446 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:38,760 before I used Moon? Because I had so many snap 447 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:44,160 targets that I had set up myself with custom key binds and 448 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,680 special regions on screen to trigger them etcetera. 449 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,040 I don't have the room to use like it makes no sense to be 450 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:58,000 able to control windows so in in such a granular way. 451 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:03,720 Now with this resolution Now basically I just need I just, I 452 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,440 need only to do three things with windows. 453 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:11,400 I have a full screen them or put them on either half and that's 454 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,400 it. Sometimes I will put one in 1/4 455 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:19,920 but I do that occasionally and most I have the Macbooks display 456 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,920 on the side where I can also full screen stuff there and put 457 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,840 2 apps side by side there. So this, there you go. 458 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,480 This is quite literally you were maybe expecting. 459 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,160 I found a new utility but quite literally a window management 460 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,080 reset because I don't need anything now. 461 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,320 I'm just starting windows like this. 462 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:47,680 It's been a week and it's great. One more thing, I find myself 463 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,280 using full like actual full screen windows more with this 464 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:57,000 setup, especially on the second screen on the MacBook screen, 465 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,720 because it just makes sense to be able to return the trackpad 466 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,360 and swipe between the apps that I've docked there. 467 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,360 So I recommend trying that. If you have a laptop on the side 468 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:10,840 that using as a as a second display, try the full screen 469 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,200 stuff there that you know you will have to, you will want to 470 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,720 keep there the apps that you want to keep there. 471 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:25,480 For example, for me, it's always my Mail mainstream Swinson and 472 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,720 Messages always keep those 3 apps on the laptop's display. 473 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:35,640 Now all three are full screened and I just, I just reach over 474 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,360 with the track and swipe with the trackpad to switch between 475 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,720 them. It's actually really nice. 476 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:48,240 Yeah, and you know, I too, Chris, I, I was, I had no idea. 477 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:53,160 I think like the scaling factor. Who freaking cares? 478 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,040 I can't. I can scale to that number. 479 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,600 I want that number. I will choose that number. 480 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,760 But turns out there is a superior one. 481 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,920 There is a superior scaling factor that you that you should 482 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,280 choose because it's crisper. It's crisper. 483 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,720 It it is a little crisper. It is it is hard to get used to. 484 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,000 And I will say I've I've been doing 4K monitors for many years 485 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,680 and my last one was a 27 inch. And so when I went to a 32 inch, 486 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,880 I was like, OK, it's a 2X scale. So we'll do 1080P upscale to 4K. 487 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,960 And the first time I saw it, I laughed out loud because it is a 488 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,440 little, it is a little funny how it is, but you get used to it. 489 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,560 You get used to whatever. That's that's how it goes. 490 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,760 I I will say I did try to get used to it and I couldn't 491 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,600 because I felt, but especially going from the studio display to 492 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:44,000 this, I felt like yes I'm going from a 27 inch to a 32 inch 493 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,120 monitor. But now I am able to have less 494 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,120 stuff on the screen because of this. 495 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,480 And that was the thing that I was like I just, I couldn't get 496 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,400 used to is I have less, less space. 497 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:01,000 And the big reason why I wanted a 32 inch monitor is I wanted 498 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:06,120 more space to spread out because I use big apps like Final Cut 499 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,640 and Lightroom and Photoshop and stuff like that where they 500 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,600 benefit from having the most amount of space you could 501 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,800 possibly want. 100%, yeah. Yeah, for sure. 502 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,920 That makes sense. If I was like a, if I was just 503 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,480 like a writer or something like that, I think I would probably 504 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:27,240 pick this, the scales option, the default option, but because 505 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:32,640 like I wouldn't, I wouldn't necessarily need the extra 506 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,120 monitor space. Like 'cause like when I'm 507 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,560 writing in my text editor, I don't use, I don't, I don't make 508 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,200 Obsidian full screen. I I usually I Obsidian for me 509 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,160 usually takes up about 1/3 of the screen and I center Yeah. 510 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:52,920 So yeah, I almost want to run it at 5:40 P and so it's a 4X pixel 511 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,280 scale. Oh my God, how? 512 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,400 Crisp would that be? You'd get one icon, not even a 513 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,160 window. You would just get an icon. 514 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,040 Those people complaining about Mac not being touch friendly 515 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,760 will have nothing to say then. Yeah. 516 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:10,560 Oh yeah, big touch targets. Be able to slap the close button 517 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,000 on a window. OK. 518 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:17,600 Slightly related because they've made Mac OS more touch for no, 519 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,520 but it's just. Not touch friendly. 520 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,320 It's not happening, Chris. Sorry, he triggered me. 521 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,680 He triggered it's. Literally it's literally like 522 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:31,520 all over Golden Gate, but OK, because so but this is OK. 523 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,760 No, it's just for sidecar. Nevermind. 524 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,880 OK, so my I was having this like brain idea, but I just walked it 525 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,440 through my head and I realized it's not not it, but I was like, 526 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,400 what happens if you get one of those external monitors that's 527 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,840 also a touch screen and hooked it up to Mac OS Golden Gate. 528 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,000 Now what? How well would that work? 529 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,720 But I just realized it was it was the the update was related 530 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,360 to Sidecar and I'm guessing there's probably going to be 531 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,800 another update to Golden Gate that makes it like now it's 532 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,960 truly like touch screen friendly. 533 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,040 I suspect, yeah, there's probably some device query that 534 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:10,880 it won't enable it on any existing Mac, of course. 535 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,440 Although I got to say, we already thought that Mac was 536 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,520 going to be expensive. And now Tim Cook, his art has 537 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,520 said, yeah, prices are going to go up. 538 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,120 Yeah, I'm very worried. I'm, I, I'm going to try very 539 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,440 hard to get a review unit of that one because I, I don't know 540 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,200 if my bank account is going to be able to handle that. 541 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,560 See if they'll give you 2 or 3. Yeah, I'll, I'll just be like, 542 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,600 look guys, it's not for my podcast Co host. 543 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,520 I need three of them because I have 3 different desks in this 544 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,520 office and it's a laptop. I obviously can't pick it up and 545 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,920 move it to another desk, but also I need you to send two of 546 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,880 these other ones to these different addresses. 547 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,840 Don't worry. I know it says Illinois and and 548 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,560 France. Just just don't worry. 549 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,080 I I'm going to be the one using them. 550 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:01,400 To France, that's all we know, that's all that's that's as 551 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,600 details we can get. That's just I'm not, I'm not 552 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,200 giving. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 553 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,720 The the carrier pigeons. We'll figure it out. 554 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,880 Yeah, well, Neil Leon, I think this is actually a classic topic 555 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,040 for you because it is it. It reminds me of stickies. 556 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,960 Here's my system. Nothing. 557 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,760 And then next week it'll be completely different. 558 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,760 You know you got to, you know you build, bring it all down. 559 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,200 I don't think so. Should we take AI think? 560 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,960 I think that what's more likely is that I may install some 561 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,680 utilities again, but I don't think I'm coming back from the 562 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,560 resolution thing. OK, OK. 563 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,280 See, I was thinking that I was. I was making a blanket statement 564 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,600 that something would change in the window management. 565 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:51,120 Yeah, that's obviously we're not monsters. 566 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,080 No, I love this. All right. 567 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,960 Anything else on this or should we move on to Matt's? 568 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,840 I want to talk about Matt's. Matt's big chunker. 569 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,520 All right, All right, Matt, what do you, what do you got for us 570 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,800 this week? Yeah, I have a big shonker. 571 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:11,320 This is Key Cron's new. Not a keyboard, not a mouse. 572 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,199 It's them expanding into even more products. 573 00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:17,800 It is their new Thunderbolt 5 dock, which, if I can be 574 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:24,920 completely transparent, I get a lot of review pitches from just 575 00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:27,600 the worst products you've ever seen. 576 00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:32,040 Every once in a while you get something decent and every once 577 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,480 in a while you get 1 from a company that is just easy to 578 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,520 work with. Keycron has been very good to 579 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,679 work with on reviews. They're just like, hey, do you 580 00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:43,280 want this? And there's like no contracts, 581 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,320 no anything. It's very simple, no 582 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,280 expectations, no reviews, all that good stuff. 583 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,400 But this is also a product that I've been thinking about for a 584 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,480 while now because Thunderbolt 5's been around and there's 585 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,000 these new docks coming out and I've got a Thunderbolt 4 dock 586 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,520 that's fine. But you know, the new stuff is 587 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,080 always interesting. So, but it couldn't. 588 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,080 Be shiny you. You need you. 589 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:11,880 You need shiny things. Yeah, I do. 590 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,480 I get it like I I get it you need shiny toys. 591 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,560 Yeah, I do like shiny toys and but I couldn't pull the trigger 592 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,120 'cause I was like, my current talk works fine, what am I 593 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,360 doing? I'm not going to spend $500 on 594 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,760 the TS Plus or whatever. TS-5 Plus and Cal Digit. 595 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,880 So I didn't do anything, but then they're like, hey, would 596 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,360 you like a review unit? And I said yes. 597 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,280 So disclosure's out of the way, I suppose. 598 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,040 So I've been using it for a few weeks. 599 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:44,880 It just came out last week as you're hearing this and it's a, 600 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,240 it's a Thunderbolt talk. Here's what I'll say. 601 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,960 It's totally fine. It works perfectly. 602 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,240 I've only had it for two weeks so I can't speak to long term 603 00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:57,080 reliability, but I plugged it in, everything worked. 604 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:03,120 There's not much more I can ask from a Thunderbolt doc so I will 605 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,640 not read through all the specs, but this is a 14 and one. 606 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,800 These docs are usually like how many inputs and outputs? 607 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,520 Do they have 14? And one, it's 14 and one, but 608 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,080 the thing you always have to look at with these docs is what 609 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,920 are the 14? What have they chosen to be the 610 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:29,280 14 things that they use? And key crons is interesting. 611 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,160 It's a little bit. It seems like a dock made for 612 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:42,320 people with both new and older tech as well as Windows users. 613 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:50,240 Two of the 14 are HDMI ports, which is for my use case. 614 00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:53,880 This is a 12 in one. Yeah, because I'm not going to 615 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,720 be using those. It has outside of the Oh also 616 00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:00,160 they whenever they do these counts, they count the 617 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,160 Thunderbolt cable that goes to your computer. 618 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:07,960 I don't understand. I don't understand that that 619 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,800 port does not count as expansion. 620 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,080 It does not count, so I don't count it. 621 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,240 So this is a 13 in one. If you take out the HDMI's, it's 622 00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:21,960 an 11 in one and there's also a micro SD slot and headphone Jack 623 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,280 here that I also don't use, so I'm dropping those. 624 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,640 It has two Thunderbolt 5 ports full speed and that's it. 625 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,440 So it's only giving you 2 Thunderbolt 5 ports, It's giving 626 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:38,800 you a USBC port and that's it. So basically if like USBC plugs 627 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,920 is what you're looking for, there's only three that gives 628 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,040 you, which ironically is the same number that my old dock, my 629 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,400 OWC Thunderbolt 4 dock had. So I got no more of those and it 630 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:56,040 has four USBAS which I have filled all but one of and it has 631 00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:00,840 HDMI and Ethernet 2.5 gigabits, so all that stuff. 632 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,240 And it has an SD card slot, which is nice because with the 633 00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:08,520 way my computer is in my desk, I don't have access to it. 634 00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:11,160 So it's nice to just have it in the dock. 635 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,280 Here's the thing, and it, it's a thing that I keep thinking 636 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,480 about, which is that our computers are too damn fast. 637 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,560 Like, I know, I know. We'll look back and be like, oh, 638 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,360 Can you believe in 2026 we only had 120 gigabits per second 639 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:33,360 through our Thunderbolt cables. But that is a lot. 640 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,960 So I wanted to kind of talk about how this compares to my 641 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,760 Thunderbolt 4 dock because there's been Thunderbolt 4 docks 642 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,360 for a long time. I feel like Thunderbolt 4 was 643 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:49,360 like the point where those docs got like really, really good and 644 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,840 like reliable and very mainstream and you could buy a 645 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:57,440 billion of them. So the Max bandwidth, which is 646 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,440 like the highlight feature of Thunderbolt on Thunderbolt 4 was 647 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,360 40 gigabits per second. On Thunderbolt 5, it's 5th or 648 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,160 it's it's double, it's 80 with a boost mode up to 120 in One 649 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,680 Direction. So three times quicker 650 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:16,520 potentially for monitors, Chris, for our monitors, this is 651 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,840 relevant, which is probably why you were able to run yours at 652 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,440 240 Hertz. Thunderbolt 4 did not have the 653 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:26,160 bandwidth to run a 4K monitor past 144 Hertz because it is too 654 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,920 much data. We'll get into that later. 655 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,880 It's actually a shocking amount of data it takes to run the 656 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,240 monitor. I actually use the display port, 657 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,720 K port and cable off the monitor and plug it because I have the 658 00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:45,200 Kal Digit TS-5 plus and that has display port on that which 659 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,760 supports 4K at 240 Hertz. So I don't actually. 660 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,280 I saved myself a Thunderbolt port by switching to this 661 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,720 monitor. You did, but you are using It's 662 00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:57,280 all going over that one Thunderbolt cable. 663 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,400 Yes, Yeah, you need, you need, you need the. 664 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,920 There is, there is a, there is a catch, yes. 665 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,600 So anyway, so that made it so that I could that is actually 666 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,640 literally I wanted to say that is literally the only change in 667 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,560 my experience is that now I can run my Mac. 668 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,400 My Windows computer has always been able to run a 240 Hertz 4K. 669 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,720 Now my Mac can as well. And can I see the extra frames? 670 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,880 No, once you get past 120. I can't tell the difference 671 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,840 personally but. Go going from 60 Hertz to 240 672 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,600 Hertz was wild, I will say that. Yeah. 673 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,800 Oh yeah, 60 feels insane once you get. 674 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,680 Into Yeah, there is, There is a There's good reasons why I sold 675 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,880 the studio display. Yeah and then banned or the 676 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,720 other ones are whatever the other one is power delivery. 677 00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:47,320 So my old Thunderbolt dock did 100. 678 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,200 I think Thunderbolt 4 was capped at 100 watts of power delivery. 679 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,840 This Thunderbolt 5 can technically do 250 by the spec, 680 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,160 but I have not found any docs that do this. 681 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,200 The key Cron, the Cal digit ones, they do 140, which for us 682 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:06,840 Mac users is fine because the 16 inch MacBook Pro caps out at 683 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,040 1:40 as well. But my 14 inch only caps out at 684 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,440 100. So I get nothing or I think mine 685 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,240 caps out at 90 maybe so anyway, I get no benefit there. 686 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,320 So would I have spent this money? 687 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,200 No probably not. Is it a fine dock? 688 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:28,160 Yeah. But but yeah, I wanted to talk 689 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,960 about some real world speeds to get an idea, because Thunderbolt 690 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:39,680 5 gets you 80 gigabits of bandwidth bi directional and how 691 00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:41,040 what does that actually work out to? 692 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,120 Well, if you have a Thunderbolt T7 SSD, that's about 8 gigabits 693 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,840 per second. So you that is 20% of the 694 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,360 capacity of Thunderbolt, 410% of the capacity of Thunderbolt 5. 695 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:58,280 You're nowhere near if you have an NVME drive, the fastest NVME 696 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,880 you can buy today in like an enclosure, 16 gigabits per 697 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,000 second, so faster, but you're still not capping out either of 698 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,640 them. But displays, displays got me 699 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,360 going down a rabbit hole because I was wondering about this. 700 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,080 I was like, all this other stuff is like nowhere near maxing out 701 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,080 the bandwidth. So like, what's my display 702 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,400 doing? Why is it like? 703 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,560 Why is why? Why is it a thing? 704 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,120 And I learned that if you are sending uncompressed video over 705 00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:33,360 whatever cable it is, so much bandwidth it is 4K240 Hertz 706 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,040 uncompressed is going to be about 60 gigabits per second of 707 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:45,680 bandwidth constantly. Which is why Thunderbolt 4 can't 708 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,760 do it. Thunderbolt 5 can. 709 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,160 I have also learned that once you get past 60 Hertz, in most 710 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,400 situations, pretty much every consumer product, you're going 711 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,920 to get compressed, which is there's this thing called 712 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,760 display stream compression, which compresses the video 713 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,960 signal in the signal it sends to the monitor and that reduces it 714 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,920 quite a bit. So that gets it down to like 18 715 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,120 gigabits per second, but that's 18 gigabits constantly feeding 716 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,840 through the cable. And so if you do some quick 717 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,080 math, Thunderbolt 440 gigabits per second, even if it was doing 718 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,400 that, half of your bandwidth is constantly being used. 719 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,200 So that's how you kind of get them to these limits. 720 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,080 So if you're someone using a high refresh rate, high 721 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,640 resolution display and you're transferring data and you're 722 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,720 doing like Ethernet, like Internet over the Ethernet 723 00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:36,640 cable, if you're saturating these pores, you can get there. 724 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,200 I don't know if I do, but it was really interesting to see like, 725 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,920 Oh yeah, it's kind of a lot of bandwidth that you're sending 726 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:49,280 over. And I can kind of see why on 727 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,760 these lower end computers it's hard to drive more than one 728 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:58,880 display. You should, but yeah, it's so 729 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,240 much data. It makes you realize how much 730 00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:07,200 power it, it is drawing as well right from the wall because I, 731 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:12,120 I, I don't know if you guys have that in the US, but I like, I 732 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,160 think it's an EU thing. Now all tech products have like 733 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:22,520 an eco score or whatever where it tells you how much like how 734 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:28,320 energy efficient it is. And displays are all pretty bad. 735 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,480 Like the rate. So it's a ABCDFG and they all 736 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:38,640 rate like DE. Some are G If you if you look 737 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,680 especially at the high refresh rate displays, they they're all 738 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,560 down there in the red. Yeah. 739 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,600 Oh, yeah, We don't. We don't have exactly that. 740 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,800 We have this thing called Energy Star, which is on a lot of tech 741 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,600 products. A lot of TV's have this, 742 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,480 although it's kind of a funny system that I don't know if 743 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,200 they've updated it since. But like when I used to work at 744 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,760 Target and Sell, I worked in electronics and sold TV's, but 745 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:03,200 they hadn't updated the numbers for like LCDTVS, which were like 746 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,440 way lower energy than the CRTS of before. 747 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,640 It's like every TV said it was like way. 748 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,480 It was like a plus plus in terms of moving usage even if didn't 749 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,600 make any difference. Yeah. 750 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,120 I mean, I do think there is something in here about the 751 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,800 quiet ways that we use a lot of energy in our life that don't 752 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,160 get headlines. But for what it's worth, I 753 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,320 actually did think about that. I was like, why am I wasting 754 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:28,520 these frames? So I am actually running my 755 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,400 monitor down at the lower resolution or at the lower 756 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,280 refresh rate again because I. Was like 60. 757 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,760 Not 60, no. I'm doing a 144. 758 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,280 Oh OK, but not not the 2:40 that I technically can. 759 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,480 OK, interesting. I'm not gaming on the Mac so 760 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,520 it's OK. I should try that. 761 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,680 I wanted to go over my recommendation though, because 762 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,040 this is a $349 Thunderbolt 5 dock, which is relatively 763 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,560 competitive. The Cal digit T5, which is kind 764 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:04,760 of the go to like high end one is 50 bucks more at 399. 765 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,040 The T5 TS 5 plus, which Chris I think is what you have, that's 766 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,240 it's the Mac daddy. It's incredible. 767 00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:14,040 It's got all the ports. It's like a 20 in one. 768 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:19,400 It's crazy. And 10 Gigabit Ethernet. 499 for 769 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:24,400 that OWC who also makes these. They have a couple Thunderbolt 770 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,120 fives, but they're kind of weird like they don't have just like a 771 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,200 straight upgrade to what they had before, which was very 772 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,560 popular and worked great. They have like this smaller one 773 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,720 that's 329 and they have this like more network networking 774 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:40,760 focused 1, which is $500. It's kind of weird, but what I 775 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:50,280 would like to draw people to is this the OWC 11 and one 776 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,080 Thunderbolt dock, Thunderbolt four that I've been using for 777 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:57,600 years. It's 230 bucks and I think it's 778 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,160 great and I think it's going to do everything for basically 779 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,040 everyone and I would recommend look, he's still looking at 780 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,480 Thunderbolt 4 docks because does. 781 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,640 This have the logo that blows up. 782 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,320 Yeah, it does. This thing turns blue. 783 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,800 This is the one. I think we talked about this on 784 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,520 the show. I had this one but my big issue 785 00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,600 with it is the cable that connects from the dock to the 786 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,320 computer comes out the front and where I put my dock it was going 787 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,640 across my keyboard and it annoyed me. 788 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,440 And what I like about the Cal digit one is everything comes 789 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,120 out the back. Yeah, that for what it's worth, 790 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,120 that is how the keycron one works as well. 791 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,040 The compute, the plug that goes to your computer is on the 792 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:43,120 backside as well. Although I must say here's my 793 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,520 problem with the Keycron 1. I think the best one for me 794 00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:50,400 shocker is the most expensive one because for me the most 795 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,840 valuable thing on these things are the USBC ports. 796 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,320 Whether the Thunderbolt or USBCI don't really care. 797 00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,960 A couple of them should be Thunderbolt and if that's your 798 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:07,320 requirement all of them. The the keycron has 3 USBC 799 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,960 ports, 2 are Thunderbolt, ones USBC, the Owcs have three to 800 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:16,400 four and then the Cal digits they lean into it. 801 00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:23,680 So the TS 5 has 6 and the plus has seven USBC type ports and 802 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,800 most of them are Thunderbolt. Which is. 803 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,560 Bonkers. At one point I had all of them 804 00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,280 used on the backside. There's two on the front and I 805 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,600 didn't. I keep those for like when I 806 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,200 need to plug a device in or if I need to charge something really 807 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,160 quickly or something like that. That's what I keep those for. 808 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,000 But at one point I literally had all the ports on the backside of 809 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,000 that Cal Digit Hub used up. Wow. 810 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:51,520 So the TS-5, the like the in port from the computer is on the 811 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,080 back, yeah. The Cal digit 1 yes. 812 00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,560 Yeah, OK. And then they have some ports on 813 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,160 the front, they have like USBC and USBA and SD card reader and 814 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,080 stuff on the front. So you can just like quickly 815 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:09,680 plug stuff in. But and the TS 5 + 1 from Khal 816 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:14,120 Digit comes in space black, so it matches your computer if you 817 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,920 got the right color. I got the right color but mine 818 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,680 matches. It's a nice silver. 819 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,960 Let's be honest, they all look very bad, right? 820 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,960 We agree. I mean, they kind of do. 821 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,800 I actually like this. They're very utilitarian. 822 00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:32,400 They they are that that it's a utility and I think that's fine. 823 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,760 I don't think it needs to any super designy. 824 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,960 It's a dumb reason aside from money because those are all 825 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:43,400 extremely expensive. But there I so a few years ago I 826 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,720 got a Thunderbolt dog that was just as expensive when I got it 827 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,120 the Thunderbolt 3 pro from Belkin. 828 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,920 So I'm still using Thunderbolt 3 and it looks really nice because 829 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,560 it's rounded with aluminum all round. 830 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,080 It looks actually. That's also one reason I I when 831 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:06,320 I when I see the newer docs I'm like they all they all look so 832 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:12,920 bad compared to my old one. I think it's the bell king. 833 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,560 Thunderbolt 3 Pro is is the one I got. 834 00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,320 But yeah. Yeah, that looks all right. 835 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,600 Looks all right. I don't know. 836 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,080 I just mine is just command strip to the side of my desk. 837 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:32,120 Oh. My if you're watching the video, 838 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:33,600 you can see mine right behind me. 839 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,880 It's just in that shelf underneath my monitor. 840 00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:38,480 It's so big. It is big. 841 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,120 But it fits perfectly in that shelf. 842 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,840 Yeah, good. It's got 20 ports on the thing. 843 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:44,800 It's got to be big. That's. 844 00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:46,120 True, that's true. What are? 845 00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:47,280 You going to? What are you going to do with 846 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,240 all those ports? Yeah, so that's it. 847 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:58,120 It's a it's a nice stock, but honestly, for me it's fine and 848 00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:59,720 just as fine as the one I was using before. 849 00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:04,560 So my recommendation is go Thunderbolt 4 if you want to 850 00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,880 save some money and get probably the same experience. 851 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,280 OK. All right, get go big or go 852 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:15,120 home, you know, you know. Yeah. 853 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:16,840 All right. Should we move on to the 854 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,960 challenge? Sure. 855 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,520 Yes. All right, so it was my 856 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,200 challenge this week and the challenge was to let AI control 857 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,040 your life for the week. And I can go first if you all 858 00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:29,320 would like. OK. 859 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,880 So I like I kind of alluded to earlier, I, I had some family 860 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:41,120 stuff happen this week and I was actually using AI stuff a lot. 861 00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,160 I had either a lot of downtime or a lot of questions that 862 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,880 needed to be answered. So I was using Siri AI to answer 863 00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,600 all my questions and look things up. 864 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,360 And it actually was pretty good. I have access to the Siri AI app 865 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,360 on the, the 27 beta. So I've been using that. 866 00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,200 It's just really nice to like hit the button on the side to do 867 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,720 it or, you know, open up the app and start typing to it. 868 00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:05,000 If you know you're around people, they've done a good job 869 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,640 with it. I used Siri for commands I 870 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,680 didn't use in the past. So I would just tell it to get 871 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,720 directions to this place. I was going to a lot this week 872 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,560 or that was like, it's just like in this like downtown center 873 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,000 that's impossible to navigate. So he like, doesn't matter how 874 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,440 many times I've been down there, I just had to get directions 875 00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,600 every single time. I was adding stuff to my 876 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,920 reminders list constantly. I was using the new Spotlight 877 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,640 and Siri integration to just open things and do actions like 878 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,320 play music or send messages and all sorts of stuff. 879 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,840 Just to like quickly do this without having to jump into 880 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,040 apps. Just as somebody with ADHD, 881 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:49,320 having Spotlight and Siri together is really nice because 882 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,800 I could just pull down on that bar and just start typing 883 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,280 whatever it is I need to do. And I don't need to jump into an 884 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,400 app. But outside of the Siri I was 885 00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:04,360 using it to, I had a lot of downtime, but I wasn't here at 886 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,240 home. So I was just kind of sitting 887 00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:11,680 with my laptop and I just was using it to work on things that 888 00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:16,360 I've had on my task list for months, and in some case, years. 889 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:21,440 For example, one thing I've had to do on my task list for years 890 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:26,800 now is build a media kit for like sponsored and like review 891 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,320 stuff and things like that so I could send it off to brands and 892 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,920 things like that and justice be like, hey, here's a body of my 893 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,640 work and ricing and all this stuff. 894 00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:37,600 Like here's a bunch of stuff and I use codecs to help me build 895 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,800 that. Came up with like a series of 896 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,080 questions and because I had no idea what a media kit look like, 897 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:44,800 I had no idea what needed to be on there. 898 00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,480 So I had Codex come up with a series of questions about stuff 899 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,600 that needs to be on a media kit. I answered it, it compiled that 900 00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,360 information, and then you know what I did? 901 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,320 I had a prototype out the media kit in Keynote for me and then I 902 00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,920 went in and cleaned it all up. It worked really nice. 903 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,960 So like throughout this whole week, I was just relying on AI 904 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,720 to do things for me. I also was doing some other 905 00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:07,360 stuff that I will talk about next week. 906 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,520 I don't, you know, always, you know, always leave them one and 907 00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,960 more that kind of thing. But you know, I'm doing, I'm 908 00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,720 building something that I'm actually really, really proud of 909 00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:20,720 and I'll talk about it next week. 910 00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:23,760 But I used AI for a lot of that too. 911 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,960 So I'm kind of curious how how did this work out for you guys? 912 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:36,400 Go ahead, Matt. You're muted. 913 00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:43,800 You're muted, Matt. Well, I I struggled to figure 914 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,240 out how to approach this challenge. 915 00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,520 Also, truth be told, I didn't look at the Notion document and 916 00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,720 I just found out what the challenge was when I listened to 917 00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:56,200 the episode on Wednesday. Oh yeah. 918 00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,600 I forgot to tell you what the challenge was and you weren't 919 00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,160 here last week. Yep, I forgot about that. 920 00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,080 Sorry, my bad. No, I'm sorry. 921 00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:06,920 So I only did it for a couple days and I wasn't sure what to 922 00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:14,920 do. So I interpreted it as use the 923 00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,960 new Siri. And so I did, I explored it. 924 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,040 I used it. There are things that I would 925 00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:26,720 Google or that I would open the clawed app to do that are just 926 00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:28,640 like quick little searches sort of things. 927 00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:35,200 And I tried using Siri for that and it's much better. 928 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,960 The model itself is not as impressive, but like it can use, 929 00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:47,800 it can search the web, it can use tools to do things and it's 930 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,640 pretty OK. Like it answers questions for 931 00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,480 me. I here's a stupid question that 932 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,720 I ask these stupid chat bots all the time I'm playing this game. 933 00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,040 I just completed this mission. How far through the game am I? 934 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,240 And it tells me like, here's a percentage of here's about how 935 00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:05,360 far through the game you are. And this is so helpful as an 936 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:09,640 adult who is like actually like shorter games these days. 937 00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:11,560 This is actually very nice information. 938 00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:13,920 But like Siri would never do that before. 939 00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,320 And it does that pretty well today. 940 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,800 And I think it does a pretty good job of including source 941 00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:25,320 links, which is nice. And they like to put like images 942 00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,440 in line in their answers sometimes too. 943 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,520 So it's, it's pretty nice. I don't know if I used it to 944 00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:38,880 automate my life, but I did use it because I had it and it was, 945 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:41,480 yeah. I don't know how much I how much 946 00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,720 more I would expect from Siri at this point. 947 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:50,000 Once third party apps have more, once it can do more with third 948 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,320 party apps. There might be more to automate, 949 00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:58,960 but yeah, it seems promising. I'm curious, do you find that 950 00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,600 you, I don't know, maybe enjoy is the wrong word, but you're 951 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,560 using it more? Or maybe it's more convenient 952 00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,840 that it's built into the system and you can either just save the 953 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,360 trigger phrase or hold down the button on the side of your 954 00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,080 device and you don't actually have to jump into an app. 955 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,400 Or you could just pull up Spotlight from anywhere in the 956 00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,840 OS, because that's one of my favorite features is that you 957 00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,320 can get to Spotlight from anywhere in the OS on the iPhone 958 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:28,760 and iPad. It is a little nice to you to 959 00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,280 ask Siri. It is nice to ask Siri questions 960 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,560 and then be able to go back to those in the Siri app later and 961 00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,200 like, remember what it told you at the very least. 962 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,240 So that's kind of nice. I'm always a little hesitant to 963 00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,360 compliment Apple on doing a thing that only they can do 964 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,960 because they own the platform and refuse to let others do it. 965 00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,920 So I'm always a little hesitant to be like, they've done a great 966 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,000 job and and now they've they beat Claude because Claude isn't 967 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,240 able to do that. And it's like, well. 968 00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:57,280 Apple. Didn't let them do it. 969 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:04,600 DNA is like what's going on here, but I mean it is 970 00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,840 convenient. It is, it is convenient. 971 00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,600 I wrote a members post on my blog actually recently about how 972 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,120 I moved away from things and I'm using reminders now. 973 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,520 So that is one of those things as well. 974 00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:19,360 That is probably going to be easier with this, but I don't 975 00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:24,560 want to give them credit necessarily if that makes sense. 976 00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,040 Fair, fair, fair. Neil, I'm gonna tell you how'd 977 00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,520 you do this challenge? Have you ever heard of the term 978 00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,680 malicious compliance? Yes, and I figured that's 979 00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,600 exactly how you would treat this. 980 00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:47,680 Yes so I have mixed prayed my stairs in our house. 981 00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:50,960 You've what? You've what? 982 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,240 I have mixed prayed up my stairs. 983 00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,280 Mix played. All right, there is a link in 984 00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:07,360 the show notes. Mix Play is a name of a Nike Oh 985 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:08,880 a. Nike thing, OK. 986 00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,720 Oh. It's a motion sensor. 987 00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,480 OK, OK. And come on, Kitty, just 988 00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:22,320 scratching my gear. And yeah, so it's a motion 989 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,720 sensor. I've put it all over the stairs. 990 00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:30,000 So basically our house, I will not guide you through all of our 991 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:34,360 house, but basically there's 3 levels, ground floor and two 992 00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,320 upstairs. Bougie. 993 00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:40,880 I know it's a very vertical house, let's say not very 994 00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:42,600 horizontal. Very vertical. 995 00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,920 So yeah, so basically there's two big set set of stairs to 996 00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:53,720 move between levels and actually no three, I don't know how to 997 00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:54,040 count. Wow. 998 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,280 She doesn't even know how many staircases she has. 999 00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,280 Hasn't even gone to all the floors. 1000 00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,640 Yet NO222 look. She's got the main staircase for 1001 01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,960 her, and then there's this servant staircase that they're 1002 01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,280 supposed to take, so she never sees them. 1003 01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:11,000 Yeah, I know. No, I've got a an elevator 1004 01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,480 actually, I'm not using this test anyway. 1005 01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:21,680 OK, so I've put the all the MOOC sprays all over the stairs and 1006 01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,800 we replaced all the light bulbs as well. 1007 01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:29,560 And now the stairs, they light up as you walk through. 1008 01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,520 So AI, because this right here is artificial intelligence. 1009 01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:36,960 I'm telling you, it's very smart. 1010 01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,800 And because I set up automation, it does it on its own. 1011 01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,160 Like I'm not touching any buttons. 1012 01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:47,080 It just turns on the light. So you walk up the stairs in our 1013 01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:50,160 house and the lights, they turn on as you. 1014 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,160 It's very satisfying. By the way, as you go, they turn 1015 01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:57,480 on. And I even went with advanced 1016 01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,680 automations. I used the Controller for Home 1017 01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:05,200 Kit app on iOS which lets you do more advanced home kit 1018 01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,640 automations. And I use that to like add 1019 01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:12,880 conditions so that at night, depending on how deep into the 1020 01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,000 night you are, it will not shine as bright. 1021 01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:22,280 So if you woke up or down the stairs, let's say at 1:00 AM, it 1022 01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:26,240 will just the IT does the same thing, but it lights up with a 1023 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,480 tint of red. So very dark, like very dim red, 1024 01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,920 so that you're not blinded in the middle of the night, whereas 1025 01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,040 during early evening it's just bright yellow. 1026 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,800 Can can I can I throw a pitch your way really quick for this? 1027 01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:47,080 OK, you add speakers and as every single as one motion 1028 01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,760 sensor is triggered, you have the piano, you have a piano 1029 01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,120 sound play and you could just do scale so you can do. 1030 01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:57,000 Yeah, it's like clan do do do. Do do do. 1031 01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,760 You realize home kit is very laggy though? 1032 01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:02,520 Yeah. Yeah. 1033 01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:07,000 Yeah, you'll be 3 floors away and you'll be with the piano. 1034 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,120 Go. You'd have to use Home Assistant 1035 01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:13,560 or something for that, yeah. That's funny, but there you go. 1036 01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,840 AI like it. Automate automated the heck out 1037 01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,920 of my life. I'm fully compliant with the law 1038 01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:23,080 of your challenge. I think you're closer to it than 1039 01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,280 I am, honestly. Honestly, I love this pretty 1040 01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,560 open-ended because I was just kind of curious how you all 1041 01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,960 would interpret it so. Yeah, I will. 1042 01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,480 I will say, Neil, and you mentioned this at some point 1043 01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,800 that that you're going to use a home sensor for something. 1044 01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:42,360 And we have a closet just outside this door behind me or 1045 01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,800 there's no light inside it. There's a hallway light that has 1046 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,920 a smart bulb in it, but there's no switch or anything in the 1047 01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,720 house for it. So I don't know what the intent 1048 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,720 of this thing is, but we have to use like Siri to turn it on. 1049 01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,160 So we like open the thing and I have to yell out to Siri to do 1050 01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:57,320 it. And it's super annoying. 1051 01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,800 But I got a little motion sensor as well, put it inside there, 1052 01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:01,560 and when the door opens, the light turns on. 1053 01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,440 And when I close it, the light turns off and it's very cool. 1054 01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,720 You got a mixed. Play I did not. 1055 01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,160 I got some, I think a Belkin one actually. 1056 01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,200 I got whatever was cheap and available for next day shipping 1057 01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:18,120 on Amazon. Yeah, sounds about right. 1058 01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:23,280 The IKEA was is is nice. So it's one of the new one of 1059 01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,760 their new products. It's compatible with Matter. 1060 01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:33,920 It works over thread I believe and it's €8.00 so very. 1061 01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:35,160 Oh yours is cheaper than mine, Dang. 1062 01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,200 Yeah. All right. 1063 01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,240 Well, that was that challenge. But Matt, it is your challenge 1064 01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:43,640 for next week. What do you got for us? 1065 01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:52,560 All right, my challenge is redo your favorite challenge that you 1066 01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:56,640 have issued on comfort zone and do not tell your Co hosts which 1067 01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,760 one you are doing until we meet up next week. 1068 01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:02,120 OK. So we will all do different 1069 01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,440 challenges because you must do one that you have issued and you 1070 01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:08,800 would like to do again and you know, do one that was easy, do 1071 01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,240 one that you had fun with, do one that you think you could do 1072 01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,600 differently. Do 1 you maybe need redemption 1073 01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:17,600 on I don't know. Oh no, I'm going to get another 1074 01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:22,320 new iPhone. You need to move your local 1075 01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:26,920 music library to the one terabyte iPhone. 1076 01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:29,640 Oh no. All right, I like this. 1077 01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,600 This is pretty good. All right, this is a good place 1078 01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:36,760 to wrap up. And we're going kind of long, so 1079 01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:38,920 I think I'll save our end of the show question for next week. 1080 01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,880 So we we need to wrap up here. Thank you all so much for 1081 01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:44,760 listening. Thank you to Mac Stories for 1082 01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:46,160 having us. We're a Mac Stories podcast 1083 01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:49,280 after all. Feedback link in the show notes. 1084 01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,520 Thank you all for listening and have a great day. 1085 01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:53,960 OK, bye, bye.