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Welcome to between three 
witches, where we talk about 

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witchcraft in plain sight 
everyday magic lived honestly 

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and it's hosted by three witches
me, GAIL, the witch next door 

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the. 
Vicky the Wheelie Green witch. 

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And me and None, the anonymous 
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We all walk different paths with
different levels of experience, 

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but we share a deep respect for 
the craft as it is actually 

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practice and not the dramatized 
version that people expect. 

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Today's episode we dive into a 
topic that always gets people 

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talking and we are back for 
round two. 

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It's the basics of witchcraft 
and the terminology because we 

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couldn't squeeze it into one 
episode, so let's hope we can 

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squeeze it into two. 
But before we get into all of 

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that, how have we been since the
last episode? 

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Pretty good. 
Really, really, really good. 

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I transported myself back into 
1990, turned my phone off and 

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had the most fantastic and 
relaxing and very ground in time

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so I am all good. 
That sounds amazing. 

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So lots of reading, relaxing, no
scrolling. 

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No scrolling, had a complete 
media break which was really 

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really nice. 
I do need to get back to it 

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though, but it was well worth 
it. 

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I would say do that everybody 
take a week off from scrolling. 

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It was amazing. 
I've been quite tired to be 

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fair, like I was talking to both
about it. 

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I think hormones are starting to
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delicious. 
I think the moon has had a lot 

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of things to do with it as well.
But no, I'm starting to feel a 

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bit more back to normal and I 
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has helped. 
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to get back to any kind of what 
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But I think the lighter 
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has really helped. 
Oh yeah, such a relief in it 

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when the, when the clocks change
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chirping actually. 
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now. 
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massive difference. 
But I feel you as well. 

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I've been feeling quite 
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whether it's hormones because it
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But it's also the full moon 
tonight that we're recording and

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I have definitely felt it this 
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It feels quite like I need to do
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reevaluating pretty much what a 
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It highlights all the things 
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probably too much scrolling like
Vicky's just acknowledged. 

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But I'm going to a full moon 
ritual tomorrow, which I am so 

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excited about. 
It's in a year in a part of 

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where I live, and I've been 
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but this is a full moon specific
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couple of hours. 
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excited about is there's there's
an outside sauna there, so they 

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do a sauna ritual straight 
afterwards and they've got a 

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cold dip. 
It is the most beautiful place. 

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I am, well, excited. 
So my whole evening tomorrow is 

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going to be no social media, 
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pictures because I can't help 
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But I won't be. 
I'll be sitting in circle with 

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other women, sharing the energy,
hopefully shedding some of the 

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things that I've been weighing 
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And yeah, can't wait for that. 
I love a full moon ritual, that 

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is for sure. 
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Are you guys doing anything for 
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Probably go under and under the 
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I'll go under the moon. 
I have little moon patio. 

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Oh nice. 
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I'll probably go and sit there 
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In my mind, in my mind, I've got
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moon, I feel like you're going 
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I don't know why I won't do 
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To neighbors? 
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Maybe. 
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them with an open top. 
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I'll save the neighbors from 
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Well, you know, everybody thinks
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We get naked under the moon. 
So, you know, I just have to 

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check. 
I have to check. 

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I always have since I was a 
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So no big ritual, I guess it's 
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an open window and just having a
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think, and just asking how the 
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that beautiful bitch up there 
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Yeah, I love that. 
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I asked is? 
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around this time on social 
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I get lots of inboxes about what
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How should I focus on this and 
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under the moon is enough and 
having a conversation is enough,

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or getting naked if you feel 
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But the point is, it doesn't 
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I'm fortunate enough to share 
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don't have to either. 
Like not everything needs 

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leaning into I think is the 
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OK, so basics of witchcraft and 
terminology, we will pick up 

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where we left off. 
We are still on some of the key 

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terms and the one that we didn't
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And actually it sounds like 
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where we need to lean into 
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But but what does it mean to you
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Do you do it enough? 
Is it a big part of your 

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practice? 
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I think both protection and 
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to my practice. 
It's a way of stabilization, 

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stabilizing myself, my emotions,
taking back all the layers. 

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Essentially, what I feel about 
grounding is that it allows me 

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to just be still and to be quiet
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the universe, to listen to my 
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And like we've been talking 
earlier, you know, sometimes the

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world social media can be loud, 
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And grounding is a really 
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just stop, to press the pause 
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It's also about protection. 
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It is just that important aspect
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visualization point of view, you
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imagining the roots, you know, 
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embedding itself into the earth.
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like a physical touch, touching 
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feet or even with your hands. 
It's just a beautiful process 

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for me. 
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do the most. 
Even though I was talking, I 

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feel a bit untethered this week,
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I do every single day without 
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And I think, like you say, it's 
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It's not just about feeling 
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coming back to myself, but it is
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as well without letting it go 
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But protection for me, up 
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me and the things I do to ground
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Like you say, the visualization 
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from underneath my feet. 
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desk. 
I can do that walking around as 

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well. 
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trees and touch grass. 
Today I touched one of my 

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favorite trees and it's covered 
in Moss and I just spend a 

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couple of seconds even. 
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hugely long practice, but just 
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anchoring myself into that 
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energy of the tree and of the 
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Oh, it's so soft. 
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probably be rubbing my face 
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If I wasn't thinking somebody's 
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I don't mind them seeing me 
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But yeah, if I'm rubbing my face
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do that in private. 
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something that is absolutely 
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even before protection. 
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in the same. 
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grounding before that spell work
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sure that you understand exactly
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space as well. 
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something I've got in my toolbox
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It could just be a piece of oak 
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And if I need a bit of extra 
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that. 
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favorite tree of mine that I 
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a beautiful, very old oak tree. 
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grounding practice. 
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thing to visualize. 
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these questions recently as 
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You can touch something to 
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You can use something to smell 
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If you like the smell of pine or
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something that reminds you of 
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anchoring, you can use touch, 
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You could put like earth noises 
on around if that helps you 

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ground them. 
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about visualization because I 
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everybody, but I can visualize 
and I always find a spot in my 

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mind where I go back and ground.
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that I do, like holding my wand,
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having incense on that. 
It's got a certain aroma to it 

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as well. 
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about recentering myself. 
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magic. 
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to bed, actually even something 
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in the morning. 
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intention of feeling grounded, 
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about how hard our weeks been 
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But I do give myself a hard time
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I do do that every single day. 
Even though I feel untethered 

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sometimes. 
It's a great way to come back to

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it. 
What I I use touch a lot can't 

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actually fill my feet because 
that is part of who I am and 

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part of my condition. 
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So I use my hands a lot. 
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I can visualize if I do 
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to hold a heavy stone. 
I've actually got a few stones 

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that I've picked along my 
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go that's my ground in stone. 
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can't get out and about because 
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I've actually got Moss indoors. 
I've got a Moss bowl indoors 

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that I can actually just touch. 
I ground all the time, again, 

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before any workings, before I 
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It's, it's not something I know 
some people say grounding with 

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meditation, ground yourself 
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imagine the roots coming down. 
And that works really, really 

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well. 
But also it's not something 

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floaty spiritual. 
It's about coming back into 

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yourself, which is basically 
what I did for a whole week last

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week, so. 
A Moss. 

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I use Moss to make my abundance 
bowls sometime, but you're 

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right, having a Moss bowl would 
be incredible. 

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Like ignore the abundant stuff 
because it's such a gentle, slow

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paced energy that's attached to 
Moss as well. 

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You know me, I go down a whole 
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with plants. 
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off, if that's an option to 
anybody listening to be able to 

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create some sort of muscle or 
feel it when you're outside 

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because it's everywhere. 
It's even in the cracks of our 

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pavement, for goodness sake, 
because it's so slow and steady 

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and doesn't hold back. 
It's a it's a beautiful 

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grounding plant. 
I think I'm not, I'm not pushing

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Moss bowls. 
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you've got a chronic condition 
and you can't go out all of the 

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time, actually Moss bowls are 
really quite easy to keep and 

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you can have that near you. 
So if you can't go out for the 

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day because you're too tired, 
you've got chronic fatigue, 

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you're in too much in pain, 
actually, that can really help. 

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That ground in using the Moss 
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It's just one of those things 
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But it's a really good air 
purifier as well, isn't it? 

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then. 
Protection is quite a broad 

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basics today because actually I 
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whole bloody episode in itself 
and what it means in different 

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practices, what it means not 
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personal perspective, but also 
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So maybe we'll just go around 
the energetic protections for 

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ourself and what that means. 
Protection then if we're going 

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to just briefly talk about it 
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fundamental parts of my 
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It's a way to set my boundaries,
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energetically like what you were
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us can forget to mention that. 
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view it as like we hear a lot of
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leave the front door open or 
unlocked? 

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You know, are you going to leave
your bag unattended with your 

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purse in there or your wallet 
full of money or your phone on 

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show? 
And it's about really thinking 

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about the different layers. 
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whether you're going to work 
more on an energetic level, 

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again, visualizing a shield or 
some form of barrier. 

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It's also cleansing, cleansing 
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physical body as well. 
Like we've mentioned previously,

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like what Vicky was saying, and 
I love this, it can also be 

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carrying an object, an object 
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whether that be a stone, whether
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that ancestors have have handed 
down, that you view that as some

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form of protection. 
For me, this, this is so 

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important. 
It's verbal, verbal protection. 

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It's OK to say out loud to a 
person or energy or something 

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spiritual, no? 
Words are spells, and we hear 

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this as just a flippant comment 
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magical impact. 
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a magically defensive act. 
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no bluntly, but it's having that
enforced boundary of a no. 

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It does get thrown around going 
words or spells. 

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And no, as a as a boundary like 
those levels of protection 

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should not be underestimated. 
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boundary space with others is a 
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Behalf of protection is actually
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when something's off, which is 
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before protection, which is. 
Me too. 

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May irritate people. 
No, me too. 

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I think groundings the first 
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They're all, they're almost on a
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first because you're more likely
to notice when you might need to

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put protections in. 
I have layered protections, some

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of them are wards. 
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of an ongoing type protection 
that I will look after, 

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energetic protections. 
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protections if I'm doing a 
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But the main thing is, is just 
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grounded enough to know when to 
draw the boundary when something

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falls off or or actually pop 
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Off and that and that's the key,
isn't it and that's what we want

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to really reflect to beginners 
because protection does run very

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deep and it is fear mongered 
across social media spaces when 

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we start working with spiritual 
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sure you put your protections 
up, but then everybody goes 

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well, what the flipping neck is 
protection. 

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What does that mean? 
What am I protecting myself from

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spiritual work like most people 
are not doing that kind of work.

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So you don't need to start 
worrying about doing the hella 

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loads of protection. 
You need to just start with 

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yourself. 
So when you are ready to start 

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moving into much deeper levels 
of work, that's when you start 

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investigating those deeper 
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we're not going to go into in 
massive details that you say 

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warding is one of them. 
There's different levels and 

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actually drop in the comments 
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whole podcast on this because I 
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But just as a beginner touch 
base, make sure that you've got 

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your boundaries, you're 
grounding yourself. 

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You understand when your energy 
feels off. 

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You understand when other 
people's energy may be impacting

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you. 
And if you are going to start 

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doing spell work or working with
different entities, understand 

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what it means to protect 
yourself energetically. 

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We couldn't go through all the 
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one episode because otherwise 
we're going to have 17 episodes 

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of beginners. 
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do in terms of protection is I 
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sigils and symbols and crystals.
So I'm bloody laced in it. 

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I've got evil eyes and 
pentagrams and all sorts of 

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things. 
Different, different crystals 

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for different things. 
Tourmalines, which is favorite. 

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But it's also a great transmuter
of energy every day. 

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I kind of layer that up as I go 
on my day. 

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But you can also work with herbs
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If you want to carry a sprig of 
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back pocket, remember to take it
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But but you get the gist. 
So there are things that you can

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work with in terms of that. 
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energetically protecting your 
home. 

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So I love iron. 
Iron is a great folk magic 

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protector. 
I have iron in several areas of 

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my home that could be railroad 
spikes, it could be iron nails, 

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iron keys, all of those type of 
things. 

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That iron I absolutely love, and
I know Anna may speak up about 

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this because iron does sometimes
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protection from fairy. 
So I don't use it. 

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So it is, is that actually, we 
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here, but does it, does it 
protect from the phase? 

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Well, that's probably why I've 
got no FAE then. 

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I've got a weird stance on it. 
So far I haven't heard anybody 

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else say this. 
I think I mentioned it on one of

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your Patreon lives. 
Gay away. 

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Someone was asking me about this
and I view Iyan although I don't

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use it. 
I view Iyan as something that is

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from the land and how I work 
with the fairies is that in my 

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experience to keep them away I 
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So things like litter, things 
like plastics are things that I 

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have found that they Gen. they 
seem to detest. 

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So I would say iron is yes, it's
it's man made, but it comes from

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the earth, so. 
Where I live, there's actually a

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natural iron strip that runs 
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earth is really, really, really 
red. 

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big swathe of iron. 

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So I don't tend to use buying 
nails and stuff for protection 

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within my garden because I live 
on top of it basically. 

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So I use other protections. 
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It's amazing though, but look 
how different we all are with 

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our different views. 
And that's a really important 

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factor, right, that we all got 
different ways that we practice.

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I absolutely love iron, so don't
come near me as heavy too. 

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I will, but no way. 
I'm really interested about that

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fairy one. 
And as you know, I've just been 

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gifted a book called The Fairy 
Courts by Morgan Gamer. 

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I hope I have got her name 
right. 

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But the Fairy Courts is about 
Scottish fairies and on. 

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It's the fairy, the Sealy and 
Unsealy. 

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And what I did read yesterday is
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modern viewpoint like that 
terminology was never used. 

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It was that they were always 
Sealy. 

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But another thing I do around my
home as well is like put bells 

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on my doors, vigils on things as
well. 

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I've got evil eyes as well 
knocking about the place. 

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House plants. 
Yeah. 

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Oh my God, yes. 
I've got several house plants 

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and as you know, I did just kill
one because it absorbed too much

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negativity in my office from 
work. 

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From a, from a basic standpoint,
like we say, it's touching upon 

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making sure that you're 
energetically protected and your

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houses and cleansing and 
grounding and all of those 

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simplistic ways of protection. 
When we look at the heavy 

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protection as we work deeper 
into our practices, we are happy

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to talk about that, but it's 
probably not for this episode 

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and. 
I think just to add my 

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perspective, when you're 
starting on this path and you're

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not not necessarily doing the 
big heavy stuff, actually maybe 

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don't overprotect yourself. 
That's going to sound counter 

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intuitive, but what you don't 
want to do is block yourself off

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from everything. 
You don't want to lock yourself 

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into a little box. 
That's not necessarily the best 

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way to to go with it. 
OK, so coming onto common tools 

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and what they mean they're an 
altar. 

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What does that look like in your
practice? 

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Maybe I'll go first because I I 
never ever show my altar on 

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social media. 
That's a personal preference. 

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I don't judge people who do it 
to less. 

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My altar is an absolute shit 
show if I'm honest, and 

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everybody's expectations on 
social media is that it's 

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perfectly curated and I can see 
it from where I'm sitting. 

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It's blocked in my shed, so when
I record you can never actually 

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see my old space. 
But I do have a seasonal candle,

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which I do share online every, 
every fire festival, as you 

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know. 
And then I've got lots of 

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personal things. 
But alters an altar for me is a 

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place I come back to, is the 
place I do my spell work, my 

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specific spell craft. 
But it's a place where I hold 

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things that are meaningful and 
important to me at that time. 

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So it's ever changing, ever 
evolving. 

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And it's not aesthetic is my my 
biggest point to make here. 

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There are no rules for me. 
I think when I started back 

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years ago, I remember really 
focusing on where I thought 

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everything should be placed. 
And as I learnt and educated 

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myself, I understood that was 
very Wiccan belief, that you 

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have things in certain angles 
and curated in certain ways and 

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you have to have certain 
elements covered on your altar. 

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Well, you don't. 
I mean, you can if that feels 

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authentic and genuine to you, 
but it's also not necessary. 

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An altar for me is place where I
commune, where I put my respects

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for everything that I've got, 
like my gratitude place as well 

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as my respects for all of the 
all of my spirit team that I 

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work with because that's just an
area I could go to. 

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But it's difficult for me to 
talk about everything that I 

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place on there because it is 
very personal to me. 

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And I think that's the message I
would give to anybody. 

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It needs to be personal to you. 
There are no fixed rules, but 

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that's what an altar space is 
and actually traditionally like 

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through all of religions, 
there's lots of different types 

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of altars as well that do have 
different rules. 

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But from a witchcraft 
practitioner perspective, that's

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my my view. 
What about you Victoria? 

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What's your altar? 
Is it a shit show? 

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Is it rated I've? 
Got a couple of shit shows. 

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Actually. 
I do. 

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The ones you see online from me 
are set up for online. 

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I do not show my real altar or 
altars. 

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I have an outdoor one. 
I know, I'm so jealous. 

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Why have I not got an outdoor 
alter man? 

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I, I just really like plants in 
the earth. 

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Oh yeah, I've got an, I've got 
an outdoor one, I have an 

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outdoor one, I have an indoor 
one. 

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Everyone just stays well away 
from. 

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And it is a shit show. 
It's personal to me. 

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It's, it's got the things that 
mean something to me or if I'm 

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working on something, 
particularly in a, for a 

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particular work in, I'll do my 
workings at that. 

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I'll move it around And I don't 
necessarily say, oh, this has to

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be here and this has to be here.
I literally say, I want to do a 

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particular work in. 
I'll actually look at my offer 

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and go, right, how does this 
need to be for that? 

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So I will change mine around 
quite a lot. 

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Lots of gratitude there. 
Also just breathing a bit of 

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ground in there. 
Tend to do my workings there, 

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which is why I like to do 
workings outside as well. 

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I have a couple of different 
areas where I do workings 

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outside. 
There's a little area in the 

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garden specifically for that. 
Yeah, I love that. 

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I don't think my garden is big 
enough to be honest, but maybe 

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00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,400
that's a future future me thing.
But you know what? 

453
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,160
I feel like alter, like being at
my old space is such a personal,

454
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,120
private moment. 
If it was in my garden. 

455
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,960
I'm not saying I want to hide 
from my family, but it just 

456
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,720
feels it needs to be. 
I've tucked mine away with a 

457
00:24:58,720 --> 00:24:59,480
few. 
Wages. 

458
00:24:59,480 --> 00:24:59,880
Yeah. 
Tucked. 

459
00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:02,480
Mine away. 
Well, I think I've said this 

460
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,640
before. 
I would say my main altar is 

461
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,560
nature. 
It's outside. 

462
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,600
Whether that be the coast, 
whether that be a specific part 

463
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,240
of the forest that I enter very 
regularly and it depends with 

464
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,360
the kind of energies that I want
to work with as well or the 

465
00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:21,160
spirits. 
I'll go to specific places. 

466
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,280
The majority of the altars I 
have inside my house, no one 

467
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,680
would know they're an altar, but
that's my preferred practice. 

468
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,520
So like I mentioned before, I 
have ancestral altars, which can

469
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,000
be as simplistic as a photo 
frame. 

470
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,520
And I think that's important for
me so that when you know my my 

471
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,480
children's friends come over, 
they're not overwhelmed by 

472
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:48,600
iconography or images and 
they're not going back to their 

473
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,520
parents or guardians or loved 
ones to explain. 

474
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,960
I've just seen a goat's head. 
Oh my God, how many kids have 

475
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,320
you got over your house? 
It sounds like you're that works

476
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,960
down the road where all the 
kids. 

477
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,320
Go all the time. 
I can't get rid of that man. 

478
00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:05,960
They eat me up to have small 
our. 

479
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,000
House used to be like when my 
children were smaller they lived

480
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,400
with me or younger when they 
lived with me. 

481
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,720
Our house was like that. 
I did exactly the same thing. 

482
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,880
I had my bedroom, which 
obviously the door was shut, so 

483
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,200
that's where my altar was with 
some slightly, if you feel like 

484
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,440
freakier things that kids would 
think, you know, the stoles and 

485
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,120
stuff. 
You've got freaky stuff in your 

486
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:28,440
bedroom. 
You've got freaky stuff. 

487
00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:30,760
In. 
Your bedroom. 

488
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,120
Whatever. 
Else do you have to? 

489
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,040
Keep your PG downstairs, you 
know. 

490
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,000
What though? 
But the kids, well, they 

491
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,800
actually love it when I have 
kids around here. 

492
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,640
Like they, they bow the 
crystals. 

493
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,800
I mean, I've lost a lot to the 
kids because you have to give in

494
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,600
to them, don't you? 
But I'm a huge crystal person 

495
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,080
back. 
But yeah, they love all the 

496
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,520
weird and wonderful. 
Well, obviously whatever free 

497
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,520
queues in Victory isn't for 
children. 

498
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,000
But I think Ynon's right in the 
sense that you don't want to put

499
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,440
your, your children's friends 
off because, oh, we went to the 

500
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:07,080
weird house, you know, so it 
does make sense. 

501
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,440
Yeah. 
Now my my children are grown up 

502
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,640
and they've left home and and so
I have things a bit more out in 

503
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,880
the open. 
Yeah, I have a specific cabinet.

504
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,640
I think I've shown you both that
I bought from a charity shop and

505
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,440
I've got cabinets in there where
certain jars are, let's just put

506
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,040
it that way, which I will not 
mix up those with any of my kind

507
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,360
of positivity or kind of 
protection or ancestral things 

508
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:39,640
within my home. 
They are very separate, very 

509
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:45,760
contained and locked so that 
little fingers will not go enter

510
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,280
in without me knowing. 
Yeah, that's where I feel 

511
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,640
privileged to have my literal 
space. 

512
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,600
Like, this whole shed really is 
my altar, to be honest. 

513
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,760
But yeah, so I can keep all 
types of weird and wonderful. 

514
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,200
I had a friend down here last 
weekend. 

515
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,480
They came over and I was like, 
do you want to come down and see

516
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,320
who said she brought me loads of
Charles, actually. 

517
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,200
And then she got freaked out. 
She's like, because I showed her

518
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,560
my duckling, She's like, it's 
fucking baby duck. 

519
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,920
And I'm like, yes, it's a big, 
oh, you know, somebody like 

520
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,600
squirming away. 
And I didn't have the energy. 

521
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,320
Well, I probably had too many 
wines. 

522
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,560
And then I showed my drunk 
taxidermy mole as well. 

523
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,520
So yeah, I love that I can keep 
all my weird and wonderful shit 

524
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:27,840
down here. 
I've got a. 

525
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,320
Question, do you lock your shed 
when you're not in it? 

526
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,680
Yes, yeah, it's locked up. 
I'm going to get the random the 

527
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,280
random local thief going in 
thinking they're going to get a 

528
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,000
lawn mower and suddenly be 
confronted. 

529
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:48,640
That random thief will have a 
shock because I'd be fuming, but

530
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,880
what I do worry about is leaving
my candles on. 

531
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,960
But let's not put that out in 
the universe, all right? 

532
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,200
Other common tools Ather may Do 
you guys have one? 

533
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,400
Now next question. 
I've got. 

534
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,400
I've got like a. 
Well, no, I haven't got nothing.

535
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:06,040
I've got a selenite athermae 
which I use for cord cuttings 

536
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:11,800
but Athermae is basically a a 
knife but it is more Wiccan 

537
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,080
based. 
I would say it's part of that 

538
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,520
practice and directing energy. 
I love a wand. 

539
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,480
I've got a million ones but 
again, I think they're more 

540
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:22,920
modern. 
These aren't like folk. 

541
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,680
Traditional. 
Type practices. 

542
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:31,920
So I guess it depends on you. 
Sorry, I I just use a standard 

543
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,640
basic nail, I think that I found
in my garden that I've had for 

544
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,320
use that I carved my candles 
with. 

545
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:46,480
I've had it for use and I I had 
a wand gifted to me, which I 

546
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,040
it's more display. 
It's there again, my 2 little 

547
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,720
Merlin's love it, but I've never
ever used it for anything 

548
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,840
connected to my practice. 
Like I said before, my my wand, 

549
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,640
my wand is my finger, yeah. 
There's too many jokes in that, 

550
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,800
but I mean, well, you can see at
the corner I've got lots of 

551
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,880
wands and I've just used some of
my wands actually to make some 

552
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,040
beaters for my drum. 
But I I use my wand more in 

553
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,600
terms of the the correspondence 
of the wood. 

554
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:24,120
So I'll use it to use as a 
grounding tool or within my 

555
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,880
practice. 
But they are really good at 

556
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,520
directing energy if you feel 
called to use it in that way. 

557
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,680
Same as anathemae, A wand can be
used in that way as well. 

558
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,640
Yeah, it can sort of focus. 
It can focus a bit of energy. 

559
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,480
And yeah, absolutely. 
I'm going to you on the podcast,

560
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,240
you won't see this, but that's 
my. 

561
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,400
But that wand? 
It's a walnut, and it's the 

562
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,880
family walnut tree. 
So. 

563
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,960
And then obviously I've got 
carvings on that, that that 

564
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,920
suits it. 
With regard to Athamain, no, but

565
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,960
I do have a patinaed working 
knife. 

566
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,440
So it's patinaed, which means 
it's sort of back on and doesn't

567
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,200
reflect light on one side and 
the other side isn't. 

568
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,440
And for me that represents 
balance and the balance in the 

569
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,440
working that I'm doing. 
But it's a working knife. 

570
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,120
So that will go out and with me 
that, but not generally in 

571
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,440
public, I mean clearly, but that
will go out in the garden with 

572
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,440
me that will and cut my threads 
that I'm using. 

573
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,080
It's a working knife. 
It'll carve the candles. 

574
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,040
I don't. 
But it's got it's got magical 

575
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,600
energy attached to it around the
back, which has. 

576
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,800
Been patinaed for me. 
Yeah. 

577
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,120
But these, I mean these common 
tools and what we're talking 

578
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,480
about, again, I've got chalice 
on the list. 

579
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,400
It's not a necessity. 
We hear about them because of 

580
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,760
Wiccan practices that made them 
evolve into what people thought 

581
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,760
we had to have on our altars. 
Anathemae, A wand, A chalice, 

582
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,640
but chalices all cup. 
I mean, you can use a mug for 

583
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,960
goodness sake, but using a 
drinking goblet of some kind is 

584
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,320
used very much in deity work 
right when we're leaving 

585
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,520
offerings. 
But it doesn't need to be a 

586
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,360
fancy chalice is my point. 
It could be just a little 

587
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,440
crystal glass that we had from 
our Nan and we're giving a a 

588
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,680
drop of Sherry on our altar 
space because it's got symbology

589
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,600
around it. 
But it doesn't need to be a 

590
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,240
chalice, but a chalice 
specifically I but I think is 

591
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,480
more based around what Wiccans 
have within their altar space. 

592
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,440
It, it can represent femininity 
as well. 

593
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,920
You know, that sense of the 
womb. 

594
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,960
I mean, I, I, I do have one. 
It's, I'll have to show you a 

595
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,160
picture. 
It was my grandfather's and it's

596
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:42,400
a very small crystal red jug. 
It's only small, but I will use 

597
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,080
that for more ancestral working 
because of the connection. 

598
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,040
But as you said, if I want to 
add water to anything that I'm 

599
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,280
doing, I'll just use what I've 
got to hands, to be quite honest

600
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,440
with you. 
Folk practitioners before we all

601
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:01,000
have the name, which is like a 
common tool was thread. 

602
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,080
And I mean, Ricky, I know you're
a massive not magic fan and I 

603
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:10,240
use it sometimes, but thread and
iron nails or nails like you 

604
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,880
said and on you've got a nail 
that you picked up at the garden

605
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,120
and that means more to like 
stones and natural objects. 

606
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,240
Again, the wand you've got is 
made from a wood that is very 

607
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,160
specific to a family tree. 
So all of those things hold much

608
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:28,040
greater magical reference than 
just having the wand because 

609
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,240
it's a wand, or just having the 
chalice because it's a chalice. 

610
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,560
Here's the thing, I think tools 
are where people think, right, 

611
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,480
I'm going to be a witch and they
go and panic buy stuff. 

612
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,400
I must have a cauldron. 
I must have this, I must have 

613
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,200
that. 
Actually, do you know, what if a

614
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:47,000
tree has left you a nice stick 
because it's been wind, you 

615
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,520
know, windfall sticks and you 
look at you think actually, 

616
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,200
yeah, that I can, I can. 
I don't know where I'm going to 

617
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,680
put that. 
I've got, I've got one that I 

618
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,840
actually not quite sure what I'm
going to do with it at the 

619
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,840
moment, but I know it's for me. 
So it's to the side and I'm 

620
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,880
working it out. 
While I'm thinking about, I 

621
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,320
chatted to Nevermore Aries about
this, about doing a wand 

622
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,239
workshop. 
She's been waylaid in the US for

623
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,239
some family matters, but we're 
hoping to catch up again. 

624
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,400
Hopefully I've not given away 
too many secrets and she'll kill

625
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,960
me. 
She's like, oh, I really wanted 

626
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,400
to, but you know, we could. 
And this is it. 

627
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,520
You find a piece of wood and 
then you make that into 

628
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,040
something that's specific for 
you. 

629
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,199
Because I do love a wand, but I 
love the the correspondence of 

630
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:30,679
the word and what it means way 
more than the actual wand 

631
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:32,480
itself. 
And that's what you're saying. 

632
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,600
You think what you know. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

633
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:38,360
And I think when you craft it, 
that becomes witchcraft. 

634
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,480
Yes, Yeah, that's a very 
simplistic way of putting it. 

635
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,760
There is the hands on with it. 
I'm going to work with that wood

636
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,880
and I'm going to work out where 
it's the one that I've carved 

637
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,199
now I'm I'm not very good at 
sculpting. 

638
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:54,360
I'm not very good at sculpting. 
I'm not very good at carving. 

639
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,480
But but I worked with the wood. 
I got to know the wood, I held 

640
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,240
it, I imbued it with me. 
We worked together. 

641
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,360
And that means so much more than
purchasing one, to be fair. 

642
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,560
And that's in the trees as well.
You know, it's, it's important 

643
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:15,800
to build up that relationship. 
Ask for a gift, go back the next

644
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:21,040
day, and if you don't find that 
specific words from the tree 

645
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,320
that you really, really want, 
there's a message there. 

646
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,640
You know, craft is about 
patience as well. 

647
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,600
It's about understanding. 
You might want something, but 

648
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,200
you're not going to get it 
straight away. 

649
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,000
It took. 
I'm trying to think how old. 

650
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:41,840
Oh I'd say about 8 years for the
walnuts to allow me to have a 

651
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,200
nice windfall and peace, and I 
gave a nice little off room for 

652
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,440
that, but I obviously wasn't 
ready for it and when it turned 

653
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,280
up, I know why it turned up for 
me. 

654
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,080
OK, so Pentacles pentagrams, do 
you work with them in your 

655
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,520
practice? 
What does it mean to you? 

656
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,680
Yeah. 
So mostly work with pentagrams 

657
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,880
that represents the elements and
spirit etcetera. 

658
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,520
For me that's that's how that 
works. 

659
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,760
I don't wear of tentacles. 
I do happen to have one. 

660
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,280
So when I say I'll work with 
them, I do happen to have one on

661
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:15,680
a pestle and mortar. 
And the reason I have that is 

662
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,720
because it actually looked kind 
of cool and I really liked it 

663
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:23,040
and it works well for me. 
So but I don't necessarily work.

664
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,480
Is it this? 
Pestle and mortar. 

665
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,200
Is it? 
No, but I'll show you it I'm. 

666
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,800
Sorry, I've just, for those who 
can't see, I've just gone down 

667
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,320
on my desk and I've got a pestle
and mortar and it's got a 

668
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,480
pentacle on it. 
Oh, look at that. 

669
00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:39,400
But you've got a. 
Mine's mine's a black one. 

670
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:40,880
With a marble one. 
Yeah, yeah. 

671
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,680
Yeah, I can't. 
I can't show you. 

672
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:45,080
I'll have to send a. 
Photo Well never want the foxy 

673
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,640
lady. 
I love this it's so deep. 

674
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,400
This pestle of mortal that is a.
Nice one. 

675
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,160
Mine tends to sort of splurge 
out. 

676
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,680
So yeah, you can smoosh stuff. 
It kind of splurges out, but 

677
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:55,800
yeah. 
So you'll find. 

678
00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:58,680
I wanted a little pestle of 
mortar. 

679
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,480
Happened to find one in the 
witchy shop and so it happened 

680
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,520
to have put that symbol on it. 
So that works for me. 

681
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,640
That's fine. 
OK, Anna, what about you? 

682
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,880
Do you work with Pentacles 
pentagrams? 

683
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:15,520
Yeah, with, with both. 
So I, I do believe that they are

684
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,960
closely related, but they're not
the same. 

685
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:25,480
I do wear a pentacle because I 
do find it hard personally to 

686
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,520
find a pentagram jewellery 
without that circle in it. 

687
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:35,640
But the circle is part of the 
protection and it's protection 

688
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,960
from energy entering towards me 
if that makes sense. 

689
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:45,520
So I don't feel the circle as 
containing the pentagrams 

690
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,640
energy. 
I view it as protecting me and 

691
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:56,120
the and from certain energies 
that I have specifically 

692
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,480
requested it to do and to 
protect me from. 

693
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,560
And I wear that daily. 
I do not take it off at all. 

694
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:10,720
I love the pentagram. 
I love the symbology of it, that

695
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:14,760
continuous line, how we draw it,
whether it's up or whether we're

696
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,960
bringing the line down to us. 
I adore that. 

697
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:24,440
But with regards to the 
pentacle, we we do see this a 

698
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:30,440
lot in the kind of old church 
designs and a lot of the time 

699
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:35,360
there was a circle there because
it was easier to construct and 

700
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:40,800
it allowed the stability of the 
star to be there to exist as 

701
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,640
they thought for eternity. 
So as much as you know the 

702
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:51,160
pentacle might be classed as a 
very modern sign, I still value 

703
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:56,440
its shape and I still value the 
idea of the circle. 

704
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,880
And I I, I value the star and 
the circle as harmony, as 

705
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:07,440
balance, and come in together to
work with myself with what I 

706
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,640
need it to be. 
Does that make sense? 

707
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,960
No, it really doesn't. 
And this is where our thoughts 

708
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,040
and education changes, right? 
Because my understanding of the 

709
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:24,520
Pentacle is that it was 
constructed more so modern day 

710
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,640
by occultists in ceremonial 
magic as a way to protect the 

711
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,400
energy. 
But that's my understanding. 

712
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,280
But from what you said, Anon, 
you've got a different 

713
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:34,960
understanding. 
So it resonates in a different 

714
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,160
way. 
It's more like a protection for 

715
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,560
you. 
So I will only ever wear apart 

716
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,880
from this ring because it's the 
design, because you can't really

717
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,240
have a point on a ring. 
I will only ever wear a 

718
00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:49,200
pentagram because it's for me or
what I currently know. 

719
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:54,720
Like way more ancient. 
It dates back thousands of years

720
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:56,520
whereas the pentacle was much 
newer. 

721
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,040
But now it makes me want to go 
away and understand it. 

722
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,600
And please let us know in the 
comments if you guys have got 

723
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,400
any more education on it. 
But I thought the pentacle was 

724
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:10,240
more around ceremonial magic. 
Rather, an ancient symbol of 

725
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:11,400
protection. 
Yeah. 

726
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:16,640
And whereas I don't, I don't. 
I understand it as the language 

727
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:23,240
usage changing with modern times
on the flip side of things, but 

728
00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:27,920
within archaeology and history, 
actually both were used. 

729
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,280
Yeah, interesting. 
Well, it looks like we have all 

730
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,120
got different viewpoints, which 
is again, a nice, interesting 

731
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,720
part of the practice, right? 
Because, and it's always useful 

732
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:41,280
to keep your mind open to that 
just because you think you know,

733
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,400
something actually, is that 
something different that we 

734
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:45,360
should learn about? 
Now? 

735
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,160
I'm going to go away and read 
about that tonight. 

736
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:53,840
OK, so types of witchcraft then.
This is a very popular way to, I

737
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,920
guess, label ourselves on social
media. 

738
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,120
There's lots of witches that 
identify as a different type of 

739
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,800
witch. 
I know from my practice online, 

740
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,360
I call myself a Celtic earth 
witch, which is absolute 

741
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,280
nonsense. 
It's not even a thing. 

742
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,600
I've made it up for my own 
practice. 

743
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,040
But I'll come on to that in a 
second. 

744
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,760
Vicky, do you want to go first 
on Should we talk about folk 

745
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,880
witchcraft? 
So that's more of an everyday 

746
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:21,240
practical what actually works in
real a real house with real 

747
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:25,000
responsibilities in a real life.
And, and but that's what, well, 

748
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,840
that's what folk practitioner 
was, wasn't it? 

749
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,200
Because it was like everyday 
practice. 

750
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:33,880
It was based on like survival 
and practical work. 

751
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:38,040
It wasn't like absolutely, you 
know, the spiritual aesthetic 

752
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,880
stuff that we see today. 
I would love to say there is 

753
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,960
magic within it, but I'd love to
say it was far more sparkly ones

754
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:51,240
and etcetera than actual 
survival, making sure the 

755
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:55,080
practical stuff was done. 
And interestingly, whilst I'm 

756
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,360
called the Wheelie Green wit, I 
was called Greenwich by other 

757
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,440
people, so it's easier for them 
to know that I tend to work with

758
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,080
plants and the land. 
People have got more of an idea,

759
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,680
I've got a label so people have 
got more of an idea of where I 

760
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,840
work. 
I'm actually more of folk 

761
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,800
practitioner. 
But you're just a witch too, 

762
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,080
right? 
But I'm just a witch, yeah. 

763
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:15,880
And that was, I think, the. 
Kitchen. 

764
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,320
A bit of this, a bit of that, 
and it tends to come into folk 

765
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:19,640
practice. 
Yeah. 

766
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,760
But folk practice moves into the
modern world as well because 

767
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,640
there is a hierarchy of people 
saying, oh, this isn't 

768
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,360
traditional. 
But The thing is, it always 

769
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:29,880
evolved. 
It evolved at the time. 

770
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:34,200
So yes, I'm the wheelie green. 
I'm a green witch. 

771
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,120
That's more for other people to 
know roughly where my practice 

772
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,840
lies. 
And that's something I think all

773
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,360
three of us are passionate about
that none of it, like 

774
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,320
witchcraft, doesn't have a 
label. 

775
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,240
But if we're talking about what 
it looks like for people to 

776
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:50,400
understand, there are labels 
that we earn. 

777
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,080
A green witch is somebody who 
works with plants and in their 

778
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,960
garden, which is what you do. 
But I know full well there are 

779
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,280
other parts of your practice 
that are definitely not green 

780
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,600
because you are just a witch and
you practice with everything. 

781
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,120
Like me. 
I'm I'm not a kitchen witch, who

782
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,440
am I kidding? 
But I do love a good simmer pot.

783
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,840
So what does that suddenly mean?
I can't be a Celtic witch? 

784
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,960
And what about you, Anon? 
Anon, actually, what type of 

785
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,520
witch are you? 
If you are you, what are you? 

786
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,040
Isn't witch enough if you don't 
mind? 

787
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:22,560
It is. 
Yeah, exactly. 

788
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,280
What is? 
Well, that's why I said we all 

789
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,040
align on that point. 
Is there anything, is there 

790
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,440
anything that you steer towards 
more so? 

791
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,880
I was thinking about this. 
If I had to, I'd probably call 

792
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,840
myself a spirit witch. 
Oh, oh, I'd love that. 

793
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,600
I want to be a spirit witch. 
That was a. 

794
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,040
Bit boring, I could have a 
better one and it. 

795
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,160
Sounds so much better. 
Oh I love that but why? 

796
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,680
But OK, without me being all 
jealous of your new your new 

797
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,760
found witchcraft, Why? 
Why do you learn more towards 

798
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,240
that? 
Spirits have have been part of 

799
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:02,240
my life since I can remember. 
Spirits have always been there, 

800
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,640
I've always seen, I've always 
felt, I've always heard them and

801
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,760
still do to this day. 
But it's also about my practice,

802
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,720
especially with that, you know, 
being Welsh, living in Wales and

803
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:19,760
the Welsh folklore, the spirit 
of the land, the spirit of the 

804
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,960
place, it means so much value to
me. 

805
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:28,080
It holds so much value. 
And I think it's really 

806
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,640
important that we value 
ourselves and our practice. 

807
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,120
That when you were both 
mentioning, you know, perhaps 

808
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,760
one day I am a kitchen, which 
when I'm making that family meal

809
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,520
for people, you know, maybe the 
next day I am that kind of death

810
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,800
witch because there's been a 
bereavement of, you know, a 

811
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,880
friend and they're going 
through, you know, that horrific

812
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,640
emotional time. 
And I need to be there for them 

813
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:58,000
and I need to console them not 
as a witch, but as a person, as 

814
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,680
a friend, as a loved one. 
And then then there might be 

815
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:06,480
another day where you are drawn 
to work with herbs, plants and 

816
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,920
you might say, right, well, for 
this next hour or so, I'm, I'm a

817
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,040
Greenwich because I'm going to 
spend the time in the garden. 

818
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,760
And it's important to recognize 
that it's important to meander. 

819
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,880
It's important to recognize the 
flow of this craft. 

820
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:25,160
I mean, I, I think this whole 
idea of labelling is, is quite a

821
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:30,280
modern idea. 
I think historically they they 

822
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:35,400
probably were labels, but it was
more accurate to say Canon 

823
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:42,320
person or wise man or or woman 
or or someone who just knew a 

824
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,480
set of skills or had a specific 
knowledge. 

825
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,080
So I don't necessarily think 
that it's important, but it's a 

826
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,320
way of identifying, I suppose, 
what your set skill is or 

827
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,360
perhaps what you specialize in. 
I think it makes. 

828
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:03,120
It easier for other people to 
sort of understand the practice 

829
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,640
that you do or the majority of 
the practice you do. 

830
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,520
But it's when people call 
themselves absolutely no 

831
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:09,840
judgement. 
But when people call call 

832
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:14,360
themselves an eclectic witch are
we not all eclectic A. 100%, 

833
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,240
yeah. 
So I think it, I think Green 

834
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:21,080
Witch maybe just makes you sound
a bit more friendly and I've got

835
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,960
some, you know, really quite 
poisonous plants out on the 

836
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,400
back. 
I've got my belladonna seeds in 

837
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,440
my window right now. 
They're not grown up yet, but 

838
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,960
yeah, they're in their pots. 
Yeah, but yes, yeah. 

839
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,080
And I think that's, like I said,
we are all very much aligned on 

840
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:37,280
that. 
And thanks, Annan. 

841
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,480
It's really interesting to know 
what you would call yourself 

842
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,080
because I've got many names for 
you. 

843
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:49,040
Not for this podcast, but but 
the point is we don't need to 

844
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,040
call ourselves anything. 
And if you're ever questioning 

845
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,960
the different types of 
witchcraft, there are many, but 

846
00:46:54,960 --> 00:47:00,600
never ever limit yourself 
because this whole lifetime, if 

847
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,760
you just put yourself into a 
box, you're really then just 

848
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,480
closing the doors on so many 
other things. 

849
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:10,360
And it's just so it's such a 
beautiful practice. 

850
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,400
Like try it all. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

851
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,200
Go learn everything. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

852
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,800
OK. 
So in our listener question and 

853
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,600
our section comes sit with us. 
This week's question comes from 

854
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,840
Kim on Patreon. 
She has said I'm a huge fan of 

855
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,480
the podcast. 
I obviously have to leave that 

856
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,080
bit in. 
I guess my question, forgive me 

857
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,040
if this has been asked before, 
but could you go through the 

858
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,760
basic foundation or structure to
spells and wards? 

859
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,200
No specific spell but more is 
there a structure, components, 

860
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,480
general things to remember? 
I start to make my own and in 

861
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,240
bracket she's put. 
I'm new to my practice and I've 

862
00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:48,200
been reading and trying to 
organize my thoughts, but I'd 

863
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,040
like to know if there's some 
basic guidelines in mind. 

864
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,040
What a bloody great question, 
Kim. 

865
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,400
And this is where so many 
practitioners, and I will call 

866
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,080
us all practitioners, all these 
people that keep calling them 

867
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,640
baby, which is in my comments. 
Please don't. 

868
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,160
We'll come on to that another 
time. 

869
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:06,600
But you're not a baby, you're a 
beginner. 

870
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,600
You're a practitioner. 
And if you never cast a spell, 

871
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,600
you're still a practitioner. 
But if you're scared to cast a 

872
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,280
spell, then don't be. 
So hopefully we will break some 

873
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,040
of this down. 
I've taught this actually quite 

874
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,760
in detail with many of my 
students on my 1 to ones. 

875
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:27,600
So I've got a whole method that 
I go through which I will come 

876
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,480
through come to in a second. 
But Anon, what's your views on 

877
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:36,080
constructing spells? 
What should we think about first

878
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,920
as a beginner? 
And not to break down the fear 

879
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,080
factor, I don't. 
Want to? 

880
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,800
Just yeah. 
I just wanted to say thank you 

881
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,120
for the question. 
I don't like the term beginner. 

882
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,440
You both know that. 
I view it more as you're 

883
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,440
remembering. 
That's all I'll say on that for 

884
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:52,200
now. 
No. 

885
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:53,320
Good point. 
Thank you. 

886
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,120
There is no correct way. 
For me anyway, it's about the 

887
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,160
meaning more than the 
aesthetics, but it's practice 

888
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,160
makes perfect. 
This is what a spell is, 

889
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,760
practice and practice. 
So to keep it simple, it doesn't

890
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,560
have to be fancy. 
Keep it meaningful to you. 

891
00:49:11,720 --> 00:49:15,480
So step one would be, what do I 
want? 

892
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,960
Ensure that it's clear, concise,
and I'm going to swear. 

893
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:23,240
Let's make it fucking realistic,
all right? 

894
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,280
That's step one. 
So we're not asking to win the 

895
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,880
lottery, is what we're saying. 
Well, you know, we can put it 

896
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:34,200
out there, but let's be 
realistic #2 choose the action 

897
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:35,920
that you want to place within 
it. 

898
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:41,320
So that might be, what can I 
honestly do in my real life to 

899
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:46,400
assist this spell? 
What action can I place? 

900
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,440
Do you want to light a candle or
use an object to place somewhere

901
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,840
that you see every day so it's 
your daily reminder, or do you 

902
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,360
want to carry something with you
like a charm? 

903
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,200
All of that I would class as 
some form of action #3 it would 

904
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:07,800
be your focus. 
Be present in the working, no 

905
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,960
distractions. 
Imagine what you were asking for

906
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,680
to be literally unfolding as you
were doing it. 

907
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,600
It's already happening. 
Feel the emotion as if it has 

908
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,440
happened. 
You can also incorporate words 

909
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:30,480
out loud if it's safe to do so. 
Or internally, you can write 

910
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:35,280
words down on a piece of paper 
or draw a symbol, sigil, 

911
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,320
whatever you want to call it, 
right? 

912
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:43,080
Lastly, do not obsess over this 
close down. 

913
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,440
I know there's a lot of people 
that say this, but just like 

914
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:52,040
Elsa, let it go, ma, let it go. 
You've done your work then, 

915
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,240
right? 
You've done your work, then give

916
00:50:55,240 --> 00:50:59,880
it to the universe, give it to 
source, give it to whoever 

917
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:06,560
you're working with, and let it 
go and know that it is done. 

918
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,080
Amazing. 
All I can think of is let it go.

919
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,160
Let it go. 
But what? 

920
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,840
Well, and this is the thing 
about somebody trying to 

921
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,920
understand because that will 
stick in their minds now. 

922
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,000
Sorry. 
And I, I love this question 

923
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,800
because we haven't spoken at all
about how we all practice. 

924
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,800
I've got no idea how GAIL 
practices, has her her work in. 

925
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:34,560
I had no idea how Anon does 
that. 

926
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,920
And this is going to be 
interesting because just see how

927
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,720
we all do this. 
Yeah, I've, I've been making 

928
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:43,200
notes actually when Anon was 
going through. 

929
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,120
I'm going through, I've got a 
little list that I kind of put 

930
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,080
together for this and I've gone,
ah, right. 

931
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,040
That's how you do it. 
So yeah, go on then, Vicki. 

932
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:52,960
Do you want my list? 
This is my list that I put 

933
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,680
together for this go on. 
Be. 

934
00:51:54,680 --> 00:52:00,600
Clear about what you want and 
why you want that so that you 

935
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,720
you know what you're actually 
doing and why not, what sounds 

936
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:08,560
good, what you actually mean. 
Are you trying to feel calmer? 

937
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,480
You know, what type of decision 
are you trying to make? 

938
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,200
Are we trying to change a habit?
Are we trying to Draw Something 

939
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,000
in? 
Be clear about how you want it, 

940
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,520
what you want it, and how you 
want it to come into you. 

941
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:27,160
Really specifically #2 choose 
something physical to anchor it 

942
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:28,680
for you. 
Doesn't need to be elaborate. 

943
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,280
Could be a stone, could be a 
candle, could be a cup of tea 

944
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,800
you stir in a certain way, could
be a plant. 

945
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,240
But find something to anchor 
that into you. 

946
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,600
Not work. 
Yeah, I always, always go to the

947
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,920
plants and forget the artwork. 
So that's going to give your 

948
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,160
brain something to hold on to. 
And you're not just going to be 

949
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,320
thinking in circles, you're 
going to be focused on it. 

950
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,880
Obviously there's 
correspondences with that as 

951
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,600
well. 
Give it your full attention, 

952
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,120
your full attention, and your 
full. 

953
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,160
Just don't let it get 
interrupted, OK? 

954
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,360
This is really, really 
important. 

955
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:09,480
Just take a minute, take a 
breath, ground it out and just 

956
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,320
go with it. 
So I would say if you can get 

957
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,760
all your bits, bits and bobs 
together first, ground yourself 

958
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,240
first. 
Get your bits and bobs together 

959
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:18,080
first. 
Bring it all into one area. 

960
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,680
Do what you want to do with 
ground in your space or whatever

961
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,720
how you ever you like to 
practice that. 

962
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,000
I like to put music on. 
I have not random music, I don't

963
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,880
have the radio playing. 
I like to find particular music 

964
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,040
for what I'm doing. 
Give it your full attention. 

965
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,440
And when you're in your bedroom 
with your weird oddities, you 

966
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,000
have porn music. 
Yeah, clearly, clearly. 

967
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:44,240
Just for the love. 
Spells just for the love spells.

968
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:49,600
So give it your full attention. 
Do your thing OK? 

969
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,000
Oh my God. 
OK. 

970
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,720
That you are doing with your 
with your music going. 

971
00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:55,800
Is this how people remember it? 
This is great. 

972
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,040
Close it, shake it off, and 
leave it alone. 

973
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:03,840
Unless it's. 
Unless it's going to go on for a

974
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,360
couple of days. 
Oh my God, all I've got is like 

975
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:13,840
sexual references in my head. 
Shake it off, leave it alone. 

976
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,320
If it's a one and done, be done 
with it. 

977
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,280
Is this going to help people to 
remember that it? 

978
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,920
Is yeah, it is. 
So we've got let it go from 

979
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,800
Allison. 
We've got to shake it off and 

980
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,560
1:00 and. 
Off with some poor music. 

981
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,400
So interesting. 
OK, so and do you know what the 

982
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,080
reason that I guess we've all 
kind of constructed how we would

983
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,640
do it is because it's second age
to us. 

984
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,640
Like so when I teach my one to 
one students and I think about 

985
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,360
the things they want to know, I 
then go back to the drawing 

986
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,680
board and go right, OK, how does
that work out? 

987
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,120
So it is a really interesting 
thing to know that we all do 

988
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,040
this instinctively, which is why
we've gone hang on a minute, how

989
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,240
do we I actually have to? 
Sit down and think about it and 

990
00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:54,360
write a list. 
Yeah. 

991
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,600
So my, so my, my view is 
clarity. 

992
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:02,720
I agree with with you guys. 
You started on clarity. 

993
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:04,960
It's like, what do you want to 
call in? 

994
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:06,840
What is the reason you're doing 
it? 

995
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,760
What do you want to release? 
Like what is the purpose? 

996
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,360
Like have real clarity rather 
than just go in, I want to do 

997
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:13,640
something. 
Just be really clear on what you

998
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,600
want to do. 
And then it's about the emotion 

999
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,360
attached to it. 
Yeah. 

1000
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,920
So it's not just like, what do I
want, but why do I want? 

1001
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,880
How's it going to make me feel 
once I've got it? 

1002
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,640
Because if you can really feel 
into that emotion, it becomes 

1003
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,880
much more real as well. 
Like, and it is it OK. 

1004
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:35,200
So I want to release that stress
that's been holding me back 

1005
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:39,000
because I want to feel peace. 
And then I've got two things 

1006
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,520
then that are already anchored. 
I've got real clarity about what

1007
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,760
I'm doing, but I really want to 
feel that way once it's done. 

1008
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,640
And then for me, and again, this
isn't optional. 

1009
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,680
We've talked about this before. 
I am a big correspondence girl. 

1010
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,800
It's the colours, it's the 
herbs, it's the moon phase, it's

1011
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,880
the symbols. 
But correspondences amplify it, 

1012
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,400
right? 
They are not essential. 

1013
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,480
You don't have to have them, 
they're not required. 

1014
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,000
But for me it does work. 
So they don't create the magic, 

1015
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,920
they just add to it. 
And for me, it's like layering 

1016
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:11,040
up that work as I'm I'm working 
through the reason I'm doing it,

1017
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:17,040
what I want to feel after I've 
done it and then is the action. 

1018
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:21,840
So how am I going to do it? 
Is it going to be emotional? 

1019
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,520
So I want to use water. 
Is it going to be not magic, 

1020
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,120
Vicki, which I'm assuming you do
probably quite a lot. 

1021
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,640
Is it writing something and 
burning it down? 

1022
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,640
Is it doing candle magic, which 
everybody is used to? 

1023
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,040
I'm really into my water magic 
at the moment. 

1024
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:39,600
I'm using a lot of emotional 
release with water and it's so 

1025
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,800
much more simple, but it doesn't
resonate on social media, so we 

1026
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,600
don't really share it that much.
But, but is it the spoken word? 

1027
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,200
Is it breath work? 
Is it the what is the action 

1028
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,840
we're going to use in order to 
get to the point we want to get 

1029
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,360
to? 
Once we've got clear on what we 

1030
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,160
want to do, how are we going to 
raise the energy? 

1031
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,960
Now, raising energy and magic is
a very complex and layered thing

1032
00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:03,280
to explain, but actually it 
could be visualization. 

1033
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,520
I know some people can't 
visualise, but it could be your 

1034
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,000
voice, you could be speaking out
what you want to bring in. 

1035
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:14,040
So you've got an incantation, it
could be breath, it could be 

1036
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:18,440
movement, it could be dance. 
You can't see me, I'm dancing. 

1037
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:22,400
But when I'm working with my 
drum there's a lot of sound and 

1038
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:27,160
movement and physical movement 
in order to do some of my 

1039
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,840
release work as well. 
So how are you going to activate

1040
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,800
it? 
And then finally, we've all 

1041
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:38,480
agreed on this is releasing it 
spell work, constructing it, 

1042
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,680
bringing in what we want, and 
making sure we focused all of 

1043
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:46,160
our energy on it doesn't go 
anywhere unless you release it 

1044
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:50,560
and let it go, walk away. 
If we're attached to an outcome,

1045
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:52,880
it suffocates it. 
It's never going to happen. 

1046
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,760
So we have to let it go. 
Let it go. 

1047
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,120
And I'm going to start singing 
at the end of my spell work. 

1048
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,760
But joking aside, it could be 
like blowing out the candle. 

1049
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,920
It could be pouring the water 
down the drain because it was 

1050
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,200
releasing something. 
It could be throwing the stone 

1051
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,080
into the water. 
Whatever the action is burying 

1052
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:17,880
at crossroads, that has to be 
just as meaningful as when you 

1053
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,640
started it for me. 
Well, actually for all of us, 

1054
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,560
we've all we all really 
emphasized the release bit. 

1055
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,720
So I think we were we were 
pretty aligned in how we do our 

1056
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,720
magic. 
We may have and I slightly 

1057
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:30,640
differently, but it was all 
pretty similar. 

1058
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,360
We've all. 
Pretty much said the same thing 

1059
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,680
and I forgot on my list when you
were talking. 

1060
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,000
I went actually, Oh no, I do 
that. 

1061
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:41,240
I don't just use the emotion 
that I will feel when this is 

1062
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,320
done. 
I'll actually use that raw 

1063
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,240
emotion to put into that working
as well. 

1064
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:46,920
Get it moving, get that energy 
moving. 

1065
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:51,600
And I use my hands a lot. 
I draw the energy and use energy

1066
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,960
orbs, all sorts of things. 
But it is, it's moving that 

1067
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,000
energy basically, isn't it? 
It's it's making sure you know 

1068
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,840
what you're doing. 
Ground yourself, bringing the 

1069
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:01,760
things together. 
Take the action, move the 

1070
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,080
energy. 
Let it go. 

1071
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,440
And if you haven't yet, as a 
beginner practitioner started to

1072
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:11,600
understand energy work again, 
that could be a whole podcast 

1073
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,560
episode that we could talk about
because creating and there's 

1074
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,640
something come doing in my 
course actually that I start 

1075
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:20,080
this week, which will be which 
will start before this course, 

1076
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,880
before this episode goes out. 
But I talk about that and it's 

1077
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,880
kind of like this spark going, 
Oh my goodness, I didn't even 

1078
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:32,360
think about because you see all 
of the herd throwing and candle 

1079
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,200
lighting and bowls of water. 
But nobody talks about the 

1080
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,520
energy that is attached to spam 
work. 

1081
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,200
And that does take time. 
You know, you can't just start 

1082
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,360
going into the swing of it. 
So again, we can talk about that

1083
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:47,000
as a whole episode and imagine 
amazing energy is different for 

1084
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,960
everyone as well. 
Yeah, it's using your 

1085
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,800
imagination. 
It's it's and that sounds namby 

1086
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,680
pamby, isn't it? 
But it's that's part of 

1087
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,680
visualization. 
What do I want from this? 

1088
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:00,520
How is this going to going? 
To Oh, I love that. 

1089
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,840
No Alwyn, Alwyn the Crown has 
been talking about this quite a 

1090
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,880
lot on socials lately. 
Like he's been debunking the 

1091
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,400
fact that imagination is 
actually like it is imagination,

1092
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,640
that is what magic is. 
But we've been taught to go 

1093
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,920
imagination as a childish thing 
rather than embrace it as a 

1094
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,160
really magical tool. 
And yet, who are the most 

1095
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,080
magical beings on this planet? 
Children. 

1096
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,280
Those little rat bags that are 
coming into our house causing 

1097
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,640
chaos. 
Absolutely amazing. 

1098
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,040
It's in the outer house and 
home, yes. 

1099
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,760
Thank you for listening to 
Between 3 Witches Witchcraft in 

1100
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,040
Plain Sight. 
If this episode resonated, you 

1101
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,440
are welcome to sit with it, 
share it, or let it unfold in 

1102
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,760
its own time. 
You can find me, Vicki, and Anon

1103
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,680
on all the social media 
platforms. 

1104
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,200
We will tag them in the show 
notes, but until next time, may 

1105
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,760
your practice meet you exactly 
where you are.