1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,360 Welcome to Between Three Witches, where we talk about 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,880 witchcraft in plain sight, everyday magic lived honestly 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,000 and is hosted by three witches, Me, GAIL, the witch next door. 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:10,960 Me, Vicki, the really green witch. 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,560 And me and on the anonymous witch. 6 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,400 We all walk different paths with different levels of experience, 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,200 but share a deep respect for the craft as it is actually 8 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,400 practice, not the dramatized version that people expect. 9 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,440 Today's episode dives into a topic that always gets people 10 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,680 talking, the basics of witchcraft and the terminology. 11 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,480 Because yes, we get loads and loads of questions about this 12 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:35,600 from everybody. So we're going to break it down 13 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,720 really simply for you all today. But before we get into that, how 14 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:40,840 have we all been since the last episode? 15 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,120 Exhausted and looking forward to a holiday. 16 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,640 All booked up, I'm getting ready to go and I'm. 17 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:47,200 Going to get a couple. Of days, right? 18 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:52,160 Yeah, yeah, we did just a quick Lake City thing and we are just 19 00:00:52,160 --> 00:00:57,880 going to go and scooch off, not do the real world for a week and 20 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:59,520 go and have fun. That's what we're going to go. 21 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,120 And do oh sounds amazing. Similar to VEC, I've booked a 22 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,040 nice little week away with me and my boys. 23 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:11,000 Hopefully the weather will be as delicious as what it is now. 24 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,120 So yeah, I can't wait. I'm really looking forward. 25 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,160 To it, I know, I think where the weather shifts, we all just get 26 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,040 into that shift mindset, right? And that's definitely part of 27 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,880 the craft, especially when you've been practicing for a 28 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,080 little while and you lean into that seasonal shift. 29 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,880 It just changes everything. But like I said last time, I was 30 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,440 birthing my drum, which I got to do since the last episode. 31 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,920 And if you've never heard of this before, because I've had to 32 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,120 explain it to a lot of people going, oh, what do you mean? 33 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,480 You birthed a drum. So to break it down simply 34 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,920 actually, because this is what this podcast is about today, 35 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,600 birthing a drum is you're building your own drum. 36 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,160 You get to pick the hives that you're going to work with. 37 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,400 And I picked a deer. I've already got a goat hide. 38 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,280 You can choose to have the drum circle. 39 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,600 That's not what it's called. What's the circular bit inside? 40 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,520 Well, anyway, you can have the wooden part of the drum sent you 41 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,040 beforehand so you can connect with that, which is Birch. 42 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,120 And Birch is all about new beginnings, which I love. 43 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,160 And then when you birth the drum, it's a whole ritual around 44 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,680 bringing the spirit of the animal back into the drum that 45 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,800 you're making. You're with an amazing group of 46 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,720 people who are all doing the same thing and they've got 47 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,600 different hides and you get to connect and same ritual. 48 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,440 But it's also an Avery as well, which I just adore the energy 49 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,280 there. So I had an absolutely amazing 50 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,160 day. And then the week after, which 51 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,720 was the last weekend, I got to go and then play my drum and 52 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,720 become quite a tourist attraction to be honest, because 53 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,720 all of the tourists said the weather, like you say, Anon has 54 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:47,240 been incredible and everybody's going around recording us some 55 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,280 app. I was drumming on that, drumming 56 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,000 on that, leaning on the leaning on the Stones. 57 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,840 But what I wanted to go just tag me, Gayle the witch next door. 58 00:02:57,920 --> 00:03:00,480 But I didn't. I was leaning into my drum with 59 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,200 my drums, leaning into the energy of Avebury. 60 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,680 So I get to go and do my drum circle every month. 61 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,720 But what an incredible experience. 62 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,200 And I know I'm really fortunate to be able to do that birth in 63 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,520 my own drum. But yeah, highly recommended by 64 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,200 me. But I would say it is similar to 65 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:22,200 breathing life into your puppets, into your objects, into 66 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,760 your effigies, that idea of birthing something and really 67 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,920 connecting with all the materials that you're using and 68 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:33,960 essentially bringing it to life, so to speak. 69 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,680 So similar. But I haven't been drumming on 70 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,880 any drumming Avebury, but it sounds like something I should 71 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:41,320 do. Oh, it's. 72 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,040 Just incredible. I mean, just yeah, the energy of 73 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:46,480 Avebury as well. I love it. 74 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,800 I absolutely. And I forget, I literally live 75 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,600 20 minutes away. It's diabolical that I don't go 76 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,640 more often. So well, I do now. 77 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,480 But yeah, it's been a more more recent thing. 78 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,560 OK, so shall we get into today's topic, the basics of witchcraft 79 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,720 and the terminology? And listeners, you are coming in 80 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,600 raw today because we have all got an alcoholic beverage in 81 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,760 hand. It's a Friday night. 82 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,120 This is probably going to go over 2 podcasts, one because we 83 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,680 may not get our words out but two, this is such a deep topic 84 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,959 we really want to do it justice and go through as much as 85 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:24,880 possible so bear with us. I'll try and edit out the really 86 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:29,400 ridiculous bits and or they will stay in for the humorous factor 87 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,960 as we go through our drunken journey I. 88 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,320 Already have the giggles so. We already have the giggles and 89 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:41,160 yeah, oh, yakida, yakida. OK, so shall we start with what 90 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,800 witchcraft actually is? And it's a really difficult 91 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:49,000 thing to sometimes explain to people, especially when I've 92 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,200 seen on social media just this week and I've seen it before, 93 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,520 but it popped up again. And it was a show in the UK 94 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,040 called This Morning where it had a witch come onto the show in a 95 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:03,120 pointy hat talking about what a witch is. 96 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,440 And I, I just, I don't know who this lady is, but I don't feel 97 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,440 like she did it justice at all. But on the flip side, it does 98 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,440 get a bad rap. So I guess, Anon, how would you 99 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,800 describe what witchcraft actually is? 100 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,560 And we're not talking about book terminology. 101 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,840 This is just about real live, what it means to you. 102 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:25,000 Oh wow, it means everything to me, quite honestly. 103 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,840 Like I've said to you both before, I, I genuinely can't 104 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:34,800 pinpoint a time in my life where I look back and think, oh, 105 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,080 that's when I decided to be a witch. 106 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,840 That's when I decided to practice magic. 107 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,200 It's kind of always been there. And I think a lot of that is 108 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,920 because of how I've been brought up, you know, in a very open 109 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:52,640 family, you know, you'll be you, you'll be happy, etcetera. 110 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:55,720 Witchcraft for me is about empowerment. 111 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,240 It's about taking a stance as a female. 112 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,960 It's about embracing my own femininity, my own divine, my 113 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:08,160 own source, recognising the power within. 114 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,160 And for me anyway, in my practice, when I work with 115 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:18,920 deities, I don't view it as I'm bowing to them, nor do I expect 116 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:24,480 them to bow to me. We we meet as equals and we 117 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:29,080 converse as equals and we work in unison. 118 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,360 It's such a beautiful practice and as I said, it is genuinely 119 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,360 part of my day-to-day practice that I don't know who I would be 120 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,200 without it. I have to agree with this. 121 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,280 I've been doing this a really long time. 122 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:43,280 I don't remember really not doing it. 123 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,560 I'm a I'm an artist, but that isn't just a work thing. 124 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,400 And so it's like witchcraft to me is the same as being an 125 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,400 artist. I live it every, I live that 126 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:59,520 creativity all the time, whether it be through arty stuff or 127 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,040 through if you like witchcraft type things to do. 128 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,160 It is just me. And that sounds like a terrible 129 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:13,040 answer, but it's that constant learning, the constant view for 130 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:14,760 knowledge, the constant creation. 131 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:20,160 How can I work with parts? How can I grow things better? 132 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:21,800 How can I work better with nature? 133 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:26,240 Stripping myself right back and being really honest with myself 134 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,160 as well. Really honest. 135 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,640 I've done something that doesn't work. 136 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,200 Why is that? Was that something to do with me 137 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,480 and that honest relationship with myself with continued 138 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,240 learning? I think that's how I'd sum it 139 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,000 up. Yeah, but, and you know what? 140 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,640 I love the way that you 2 have described that because the 141 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,640 honest roots of witchcraft and when we talk about folk 142 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,160 tradition and practitioners, they didn't call themselves 143 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,560 witches, did they? It wasn't about naming the name, 144 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,600 it was about like you say, working with plants. 145 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,920 It was about who they are, being honest with their emotions. 146 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,960 I I know you've said in a previous podcast as well about 147 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:10,520 passing down things orally as well, Vicky so true, honest 148 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,360 Witchcraft didn't have a name. It was about being one with 149 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:15,880 nature. That's how I feel. 150 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:21,520 I lean into a folk practitioner, but the word, which for me is 151 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:26,200 reclaimed as a power position because I want people to know 152 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,280 and understand that I reclaim every part of my soul that has 153 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:36,880 been told not to be who I'm supposed to be as a female, as a 154 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,799 practitioner. You know, when we go back to 155 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:44,400 historically why witches in inverted commas were persecuted. 156 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,280 I'm going down a bit of a rabbit hole here. 157 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:50,280 But but ultimately, witchcraft is from a folk tradition, which 158 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,920 is what I practice, although I don't call it that. 159 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,120 Something where I'm working with herbs and the land and the moon 160 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:03,720 and the energy and myself, like Vicky articulated, articulated 161 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,440 really well. Like it's being honest with 162 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,560 myself. It's feeling the energy of 163 00:09:08,560 --> 00:09:11,560 others and how that resonates for me. 164 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,840 So witchcraft can be practiced without having the need to call 165 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,040 ourselves a witch because traditionally it wasn't what we 166 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,600 did. But again, the reclamation of 167 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,400 that word is also OK. I took on, if you like, the 168 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,240 label Witch, and we'll get to why I call myself Green Witch a 169 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,920 bit later on. But I took on the label Witch 170 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:37,440 because others called it, called me it first before I even took 171 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:42,680 that name on. And I only took that on because 172 00:09:42,680 --> 00:09:47,120 I understood the history of it and the power of it, and I'm 173 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,040 going to reclaim it. But the other thing about 174 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,840 witchcraft, and I've been asked this a lot as well, is like, do 175 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:56,320 you have to come from a lineage witchcraft? 176 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,880 I know. I mean my obvious answer to this 177 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:06,080 is because I haven't been practising my whole life is no, 178 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,400 you reclaim that position in your life exactly when it's 179 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,640 meant to be. However, that's no disc justice 180 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:18,160 to those that have had the fortunacy in this lifetime to 181 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,520 have all of that passed down generationally, but it doesn't 182 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,720 make you more or less of a witch than anybody else. 183 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:25,920 But what? What do you guys think about 184 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,640 that? That's that's my stance anyway. 185 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,160 Right, I I fully agree with what you've said. 186 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,480 Years gone by in, in my tradition anyway, in Welsh 187 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,800 folklore, we did not class ourselves as witches. 188 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:43,680 We were the healers, the wise people ETC. 189 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:50,440 Both my nannies, both my mum Gears as we call them, were 190 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,560 witches, but they didn't call themselves that. 191 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:58,080 My mum is witchy, but again, she will not call herself a witch. 192 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:04,360 So theoretically, technically, you could say there is some form 193 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,920 of line there. Do I feel that that gives me any 194 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,880 power? Absolutely not. 195 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,680 Absolutely not. And I'll tell you why. 196 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,880 I honestly think there were more people connected to the land, 197 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,000 connected to the spirits, connected to nature than we will 198 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,040 ever know of. And the people that we do know 199 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:29,120 of were probably the ones that specialized in it, that had the 200 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:33,680 time to specialize, to gain their knowledge in her law and 201 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:36,640 to gain their knowledge and to be healers. 202 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,560 Because I know that there are, you know, people in my family 203 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:42,920 that have also connected. Do I feel that? 204 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,360 Oh well, I know everything? Absolutely not. 205 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,520 I'm still learning and I always have learnt and I work in a very 206 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:54,760 different way to how my mum Gears worked and, and how they 207 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,200 connected to the land. There are similarities. 208 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,560 Absolutely. There is a blueprint for me to 209 00:12:01,560 --> 00:12:05,240 follow, there are guidelines. But is my practice absolutely 210 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,560 the same? No, because it's modernised as 211 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:09,520 well. You know, I've had to change 212 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,720 with the times as well. And I think a lot of people feel 213 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,520 very strongly. You do hear practitioners saying 214 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:21,080 Oh well, you know, I'm a 13th, you know, born woman and all the 215 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:25,920 traditions of my father was the 7th son and all this and and 216 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,600 what you, you're just born with all this magical power within 217 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:30,720 you. Shut up. 218 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,520 Maybe that's really, that's a really fair thing because magic 219 00:12:35,560 --> 00:12:39,520 traditionally was an extension of religion. 220 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,760 It could have been like regional as well, like because it wasn't 221 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:48,360 called magic, it wasn't called witchcraft in the sense that we 222 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,800 call it today. So it's really fair to say that 223 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,480 we've evolved into these modern practitioners. 224 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,920 So when we talk about what witchcraft really is, it's a 225 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,760 blend of the old ways mixed with the modern. 226 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,040 And I think that's really important for new practitioners 227 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:07,120 to understand that all of those things are correct if they feel 228 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:12,040 right to you too, because we can get so caught up in what is the 229 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,440 right thing to do. But actually all of it's 230 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,440 correct. Oh, you've got lineage perfect. 231 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,200 You've got all of that education to be passed down. 232 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,600 You're a new practitioner, but you want to work with deities. 233 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,640 That wasn't necessarily part of like folk tradition either, in 234 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,120 the traditional, in the modern sense that it is today. 235 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:34,080 Oh yeah, to work as a Greenwich, like you say, Vicky, that that 236 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,120 wasn't a traditional term, but it's something you've adopted as 237 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,800 a modern practitioner because it represents part of your craft. 238 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,480 But you've got lots of traditional things passed down 239 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,560 orally as well, which is fabulous. 240 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:49,800 I haven't got that. I've got to try and find it. 241 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,840 I think that's the only bonus of it, some of which I know was 242 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,080 passed down and I'm so grateful for that. 243 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,960 Do you think, do you think that could be restrictive to some 244 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:01,480 practitioners who? Absolutely. 245 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:05,600 Because yeah, I guess it's part of being any family dynamic 246 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:10,200 where you've got the expectation then to follow that path and 247 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,560 then you don't necessarily open up to other areas of the craft 248 00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:15,600 because that's the way you've been taught. 249 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,320 I have an interest in lineage. I'm not even going to harp on 250 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,440 about it because to me that isn't who I am. 251 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,120 It's helpful for some of the knowledge that I have and some 252 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:26,520 of the knowledge that was passed on. 253 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,360 That said, I still have to find my own path. 254 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,760 Do I think people could really get stuck into I'm this type of 255 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,880 practitioner because X amount of generations were? 256 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:39,560 I think they can. But do you know what? 257 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,200 The thing with folk craft, which is what I'll call it for the 258 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,640 moment, because if we go way back, when that's what it was, 259 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,080 it was just folk craft working with the land, making sure you 260 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,480 survive, making sure you can heal people who've got a, you 261 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,560 know, a sickness in some way, shape or form. 262 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,800 It's always evolved and I was lucky enough to have a family 263 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,760 and a supportive family who understood that it evolves. 264 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,920 Everybody's slightly different, everybody has slightly different 265 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,160 gifts or interests and that's what makes the world go round. 266 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:10,720 So I was very lucky in that sense. 267 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,520 There are members of my family who don't practice, but they've 268 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,000 got the same lineage as I have. It's not a power move. 269 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:22,600 It's more maybe I do things a little bit more considered of 270 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:27,360 the why I do things just because that was taught to me much 271 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,000 earlier. The other thing about that, I'm 272 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,880 just wondering those people within your family that don't 273 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:36,160 practice openly like you, they're still like local and 274 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,440 folkloric like superstitions, right that are passed down 275 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,320 generation generationally and whether they've still taken on 276 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,560 the superstitions but don't consider themselves witchy per 277 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,280 SE that I. Think some if I go through the 278 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:55,000 head list of my family, some do some poo poo it completely but 279 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,800 they don't mind other people practising. 280 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,880 That's not a problem. I'm just wondering if they will 281 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:02,240 throw salt over their shoulders. That's what I'm wondering. 282 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,800 I don't, I have to ask them. They don't pick up the knife 283 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,560 when they drop it on the floor. I'll never pick up somebody on 284 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,080 the stairs. Don't pass on the stairs. 285 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,760 What do you mean? Oh no, you're not witchy at all. 286 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,080 Oh my goodness. Yeah, the superstitious do tend 287 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,240 to stay in families, don't they? But that's old folklore. 288 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,080 Absolutely witchcraft, again, in inverted commas. 289 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:23,640 That was where it all stemmed from. 290 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:28,720 It was the folk traditions and superstitions which have evolved 291 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,480 into modern day practices. But then you've got the modern 292 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,760 day practices that have turned into more ceremonial magic as 293 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,880 well, which I don't align with at all, but it's a valid way of 294 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,080 practicing. But that ceremonial practice, 295 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,360 especially when you think of the night as in the craft, was 296 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,960 really kind of put out there as part of what witchcraft looks 297 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,800 like. Feels like Wicker as well, which 298 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:56,280 we'll come on to potentially in in one of the subjects as we as 299 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,640 we go through this. But yeah, modern practice. 300 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,200 And again, there's no right or wrong. 301 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:02,800 It's how it feels aligned for you. 302 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,880 But we there's two differentials when you're saying what 303 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:10,839 witchcraft is. It's so many things, and as a 304 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,960 individual you need to find out what that practice and what that 305 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,839 word means for you too. Can anybody be a witch? 306 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:22,280 Absolutely. I think should people be 307 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:23,800 witches? There are some people that maybe 308 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,720 shouldn't, and that isn't me pulling hierarchy because I 309 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,880 could be one of those people who shouldn't be doing it in theory. 310 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,160 Oh my God, why? What have you? 311 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,360 I know. I just no, but you know, is the 312 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,480 is the respectful and going a bit careful, isn't it? 313 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,440 Oh, can anybody learn this stuff? 314 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,320 Absolutely. Should maybe everybody be doing 315 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:44,720 it. That's for them. 316 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,320 That's their path. You know, maybe, maybe, maybe 317 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:53,640 learning a few things on social media, short form, wearing a 318 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,760 pointy hat and going on. Oh my God, don't that winds me 319 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,440 up even thinking if you had stuff on my social media last 320 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,360 night and I'd seen it weeks ago and I know there's been some 321 00:18:04,360 --> 00:18:07,240 conversation groups about it and and I didn't want to post 322 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,600 anything because it would just bring hate on that Lady. 323 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,320 But it's just it's just so degrading. 324 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,520 Like at least explain what a pointy hat means and why that's 325 00:18:18,120 --> 00:18:22,320 or reference to witchcraft, or just explain why you're holding 326 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,280 a broom and why we call it a BASM and what that means. 327 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,160 And by the way, we will talk about that as we go through 328 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,320 witchcraft and terminology because I know some of you won't 329 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,800 be familiar with that. But explain it because it takes 330 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,520 the fear and the mockery out of it. 331 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:44,080 Because there is a huge laughing community that find it all 332 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,760 funny. I hear it every single day and I 333 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,640 try, I take a lot of it with tongue in cheek, but also I do 334 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,760 get quite passionate about the fact that I do this so openly 335 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:58,560 and on social media to empower people not to do the same, but 336 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:03,280 to find what works for them. So yeah, educate yourself on all 337 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,000 of those things. OK, so shall we go through the 338 00:19:06,120 --> 00:19:11,400 key terms then that you will hear quite often in witchcraft? 339 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,680 So this one, I don't know why, but there's an emotion that 340 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,480 stirs in me. So I'm going to let one of you 341 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,720 answer first about it. But I know why it stirs an 342 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,120 emotion in me, but it just does so magic. 343 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,440 And then we see the word magic with AK. 344 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,480 What do you guys? Well, maybe you shouldn't say 345 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,320 how you feel about it and I'll explain why I feel a certain way 346 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,160 in a bit. But what's your understanding of 347 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,360 that term? Do you use magic with AK? 348 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,480 No. No, no. 349 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,280 And we're all going no, because most of us. 350 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:48,400 And that came from a practitioner in the 1900s who 351 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,960 did actually really popularize witchcraft, to be fair, But it 352 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,920 was a very ceremonial form of witchcraft. 353 00:19:55,920 --> 00:20:00,400 And he came with a lot, a lot of baggage and a lot of negativity. 354 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,840 And I won't profess to understand Aleister Crowley in 355 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,800 great detail. He was an occultist. 356 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,160 Was he? Did he call himself a magician? 357 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,800 Have I made that up? Maybe it's one to dive deeper on 358 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,040 if you guys want to understand. But whenever I see the word 359 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,880 magic with AK, it's not something I would ever use. 360 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,200 It's a modern version of magic that was created by Alessa 361 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:24,600 Crowley. But I, I don't know what you 362 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,600 guys feel think about it or whether you've got more 363 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,440 information actually about that. I think you've pretty much hit 364 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,560 what I know on the head. I'm not a deep diver on the 365 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,640 Crowley. For me personally, I don't use 366 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,600 the K. I'm not a Crowley lover. 367 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,640 There's an like I said, when I see the word magic, it 368 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,000 immediately gives me an emotion. So that emotion I always try and 369 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,000 understand a bit deeper. I think I know why he used the 370 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,640 key, it was more to do it and I had to look because I couldn't 371 00:20:55,640 --> 00:21:00,840 remember the actual quote. But he defined it as the science 372 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:08,120 and art of causing change to occur in conformity with will. 373 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:15,000 So mainly to distinguish spiritual or ritual practice 374 00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:22,720 from stage magic, and I believe that's why decay was added. 375 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,880 I might be wrong, but yeah. But isn't it interesting that 376 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,400 stage magic? I wonder where he was going with 377 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,280 that. And I guess like social media 378 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:36,480 media today, we talk about people doing performance and 379 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,320 aesthetics. Perhaps his view of the world 380 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,720 was very similar. But maybe we're going down too 381 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,880 far of a deep root with Aleister Crowley and move on. 382 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,760 But if that's something that interests you. 383 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,560 But for information, the K comes from Aleister Crowley, an 384 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,360 occultist practitioner in the 1900s who's got a very dodgy 385 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,760 past. OK, so the next one on the list, 386 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,920 energy. What does energy mean to each 387 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,160 and every one of us? It is the life force of 388 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,960 absolutely everything. There is nothing without some 389 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,600 form of energy. We're not separate from energy. 390 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,040 We're not separate little bubbles of energy. 391 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:19,320 Our energy to me personally, goes from one thing to another 392 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,640 thing. Whether it be a rocketry, there 393 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,920 is no break in between. We are one and all from the 394 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,080 earth up to the wind that's going to trees. 395 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:30,880 We are all energy. That's it. 396 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,440 But that's interesting you say that. 397 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,760 So I want to asking, do you think all of that energy is 398 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,720 interlinked then or are there different energy sources? 399 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,760 Me personally, I think everything is interlinked. 400 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:50,120 I think some of it has a different vibrant energy. 401 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,480 Look, we've had tipples. Yes, that's all I'm going. 402 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,640 To say no, it's only going to get worse from here on it. 403 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,200 So no, I said it's a question I wanted to ask because there are 404 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,480 different viewpoints on this, right? 405 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:06,040 Like there is a one source, one source of energy, and when we 406 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,320 die, we all go back to that one source, like how our human body 407 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,600 goes back. But that's one set of beliefs. 408 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,600 Some people believe everything holds energy, but they're 409 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,440 separate energetic vibrances like you say. 410 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:22,000 But do they come back together after the human or whatever form 411 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,360 they took or? Yeah. 412 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,080 OK, so just to try and clarify what I'm trying to say is 413 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:38,600 currently I'm a human being. We're hoping OK and to live I 414 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:43,880 have to use what's around me for sustenance to create energy and 415 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,160 use those calories up so I can do the day. 416 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,320 I can be really busy and use more energy and I interact with 417 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,960 things all the time. That's all energy movement. 418 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,680 However, when I die, my body goes back to the earth, and that 419 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:01,520 energy goes back into the earth and it will become a tree, or it 420 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,680 will feed a plant, or that in turn will feed an animal. 421 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,160 So that's what I'm saying. Everything, in essence is 422 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,680 connected. Do I think it's all from one 423 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,520 source? I actually don't know. 424 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,240 Well, I'll ask you again in a future episode. 425 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,800 Maybe done the shadow work on that. 426 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:18,720 Sorry, don't mean to mind you up the shadow work. 427 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,360 What do you think, Anna? What's energy to you? 428 00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:23,200 Are you human? I think I am. 429 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,240 I don't know. Give give me a bit now. 430 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,080 I've only had a few sips of wine. 431 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,600 I don't know, ask me in half hour. 432 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,760 At the minute I'm collecting with the energy of the wine beer 433 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,360 and it's lovely. Welcome to our Friday night 434 00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:44,680 guys. No, it's, it's similar to what 435 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,840 Vixen I I do believe we are all from one source. 436 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,880 Now will I be still within that viewpoint in 10 years time? 437 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,240 I don't know. And that's the point of my 438 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,360 journey. I meander, I gain further 439 00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:04,320 knowledge along the way. I'll park some ideas as I'm 440 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,960 going. I do think we're all connected. 441 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:12,000 However, I do think there are more vibrational forms of 442 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,280 energy. I don't want to use the word 443 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,760 powerful or higher forms of energy because that's not 444 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:23,560 necessarily my belief system, but I do believe that there can 445 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:28,640 be energy out there that I I will not consent to working with 446 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,840 the majority of the time. That is primarily while I why 447 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:36,040 I'm doing my protection and a lot of the energies I do work 448 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:40,800 with or the spirits I would class are from the other world 449 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:45,400 or the other realms. And I will view those energies 450 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:50,480 and spirits as can I say brighter or with, with a, with a 451 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:56,960 different vibrational energy to them compared to where I am here 452 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:01,200 in my physical realm, in my physical body. 453 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,040 And I, I do align with this idea of, you know, changing our 454 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,200 vibration to attract certain energies in. 455 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,960 I do align with that. See in essence and on what you 456 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,240 were saying is you're human currently. 457 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,600 And you may. Change and you may change your 458 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,480 view later on, which is pretty much what I was saying. 459 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,800 Yeah, that's what I said. Same as fine, yeah. 460 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,720 But I but that do again, though, you make a really good point 461 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,360 because you guys have been practicing for longer than I 462 00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:30,680 have. We've lost we've lost Anon she's 463 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,920 because she's got you've been practicing a while longer than 464 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,240 me. And as we were talking then, 465 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,080 because I asked the questions and I don't think about my 466 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:43,480 answer until afterwards. And I I'm not really fully 467 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,560 formed with the idea that we all lead back to one source either. 468 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,360 I've definitely not come to that conclusion. 469 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,080 But I've also, like I said in the last episode, started being 470 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,280 open to different levels of vibration that I had no clue I 471 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,480 would ever be aligned to, like this dragon energy. 472 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,000 And that's a really modern practice. 473 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,280 It feels ancient to the core, though, and it feels very 474 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,920 aligned with Avebury, which I keep coming back to. 475 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,400 But it's just currently where I'm at. 476 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,400 That's that's where my path's taking me at the moment. 477 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:21,400 All, all roads leave back lead back to the stones for me. 478 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,080 So, so, yeah. So energy for me is, is not only 479 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,720 just about the energy that I'm holding is the energy from the 480 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,360 people around me, the energy of my home, the energies that I can 481 00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:35,160 tap into. But where does all that energy 482 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,960 lead? I guess I haven't quite got 483 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,960 there yet. And interestingly, I did, I did 484 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,400 a live workshop on my Patreon last night and one of the 485 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,920 questions and it was irrelevant to the, the, the, the live. 486 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,320 I was doing a pendulum workshop for beginners, which was really 487 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,400 fun. I was an absolute knob on it as 488 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,360 per usual because I thought I had a mouse in here, but 489 00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:58,040 actually it was my fizzy drinks squeaking. 490 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,920 Anyway, not to digress, but the question was, so I was 491 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:11,240 explaining about how a pendulum moves from the energy within us 492 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,080 and like our intention, which actually that's probably the 493 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,040 next point. But the energy that we hold 494 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,360 within us is not like spirit coming around and knocking it. 495 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,800 And I said look, and I was trying to explain energy to to 496 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:23,920 the group that I was working with. 497 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,720 I said about the energy of your house and somebody put a 498 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,240 question. They said do you really believe 499 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,240 that your house has got energy? I'm like, absolutely. 500 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,880 Is it the spirit of your home? And they're like actual spirit. 501 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,080 I said, no, I don't believe there's a person walking around. 502 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,360 That's not how I view the energy of my home. 503 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,680 But it has a name. It can get blocked. 504 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,440 It can feel overwhelmed. It can feel joy and happiness. 505 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,880 It can feel grief because all of those things are held by the 506 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,720 people that reside within it. That's how I view that energy. 507 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,320 It's not like it's like you say. It's within everything. 508 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,920 My plants have got energy and they keep fucking dying because 509 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,600 I'm not giving them the positive and they're absorbing all the 510 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,920 negative. Energy belongs to everything. 511 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,240 Stop laughing and on about. My SO And it can be absorbed as 512 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,400 well, isn't it? And that, that's the point. 513 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,960 It can be absorbed by our buildings, it can be absorbed by 514 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,120 our land. We can absorb it, you know that. 515 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,200 This is why it's so important that when we enter, when we 516 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,240 sorry, when we exit a room where it's been difficult or we can 517 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,560 feel that negative energy in that, it's so important to 518 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,760 energetically shift it and cleanse ourselves when we leave. 519 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,840 OK, so if I'm going to take this out of the mystical, and I was 520 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,160 talking to my husband about it, who doesn't do anything 521 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,400 witchcraft at all, if I said to him, or I'll say to you guys, 522 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,920 you have been out for the day, OK. 523 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,640 You don't know what's gone on in your house with regards to your 524 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,040 family. You don't know who's had a fun 525 00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:00,280 time or an argument. You come home, you open the 526 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,720 door, and without seeing them, you know what the energy in your 527 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,280 house is? You know, when someone's 528 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,200 upstairs? Yeah, they've just lost an 529 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,160 argument. But you haven't seen those 530 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,600 people. It's it's that weird funk. 531 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:13,800 Yeah. Weird. 532 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,720 What in the air? Funk. 533 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,640 Oh, OK. Don't ask me to spell it FMK no 534 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:37,200 FM you. So in tension, we hear about 535 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,720 this all the time, but what people don't do very well, I see 536 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,640 particularly is put detail around it or explain it. 537 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,760 So when we go, we need intention, or you should have 538 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,360 intention when you're doing a spell. 539 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,360 And intention is such a broad term, but actually I think 540 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,720 intention is kind of linked to energy as well, because the 541 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,600 force that we're putting into something and the way that we're 542 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,720 thinking about what we want to achieve is the way that I view 543 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,720 intention. But it's so flippantly thrown 544 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:16,680 around again, social media where most of us are trying to learn 545 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,000 or hone our craft or bring in different parts of our 546 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,960 understanding. They go well, intention. 547 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,560 And especially when they say intention is everything. 548 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,440 It absolutely is not. But I will let you 2 speak on 549 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,840 that a little bit more. But intention for me is just 550 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:37,080 about setting, setting our view on what we want to achieve. 551 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,600 Because if we're not clear from the outset what we're trying to 552 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,400 do with anything, when we're divinating, when we're doing 553 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:50,200 spell work, when we're getting up in the morning, the intention 554 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,320 is what do we want to achieve? When I get up in the morning, do 555 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,800 I want to have a shit day or do I want to have a good day? 556 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,200 My intention is I want to have a good day, so I want to lean into 557 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,720 that intention. When I'm sat down doing spell 558 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,400 work, it's not just about going give me the money, make sure you 559 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,040 protect me. The intention is about how I 560 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,400 feel about the outcome as well. Like what do I want to feel into 561 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,440 energetically? Which is why I say they're 562 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,080 intertwined. When I'm making that intention, 563 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,000 how is that going to feel in my body? 564 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,960 What is the expectation when I'm setting that intention? 565 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,560 I don't know if I've articulated that well, but I I think those 566 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,160 two things are interlinked. When we're setting our intention 567 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,680 to something, it's more interwaven as to what we want 568 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,160 the outcome to be, rather than just going, Oh yeah, I want 569 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,480 loads of money, Oh yeah, I want to protect myself. 570 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:40,960 Oh yeah, I want to have a good day. 571 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,040 We can all say those things, but without leaning into the energy 572 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,640 of what we want that to feel like at the end of the day, when 573 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,840 we've cast that spell, when we've drawn in the things that 574 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,240 we're working towards, then it's not going to work. 575 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:59,160 So intention for me is not just a word, it's about the feeling 576 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,640 behind what we're doing and what expectation we've got around 577 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,280 that It's. An it's an interesting word, 578 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,560 isn't it? Because it does get thrown 579 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:10,680 around so flippantly and it gets thrown around Intention is 580 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,560 everything. Well, actually, yeah, it's kind 581 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,160 of important, but it's not everything. 582 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,440 Because if you're not breaking it down to what it actually is, 583 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,040 you've got a very broad spectrum word there, haven't you? 584 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:28,240 So to me, intention, that's my what, my why and my emotion 585 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:34,160 about that and what and why I want that to happen and how I 586 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,520 want that to happen. But I'm going to use my energy 587 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:42,360 through emotion to make that work in a, you know, in 588 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,280 spellcraft as such, does that. No, it does. 589 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,280 It's it's a difficult one to explain, but I and like I said, 590 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,960 I think it links to energy because intention isn't just 591 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,280 about going this is what I want, blah, blah, blah. 592 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,040 It's about really feeling into what that means. 593 00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,720 What what does it mean for you Anon? 594 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,080 Do you use intention or the word intention within your craft? 595 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,400 Well, I don't necessarily use the word intention, but the 596 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,639 ethos behind it is integral to my spell working, I would say. 597 00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:18,080 So I like viewing in my mind a triangle, a triangle shape, 598 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,400 which is a very sacred symbol for me. 599 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:25,320 The first process of that is the thought or something's come into 600 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,320 my head, do I need to do this? Do I need to do that, etcetera. 601 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,760 And then as Vic was saying, breaking it down the wise, like 602 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,480 I've said before, you know, sleeping before doing a working, 603 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,520 you know, writing things down, reflecting on it. 604 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,120 So the first process is usually the thought aspect. 605 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:51,120 For me, intention is more about the energy aspect of it. 606 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:56,320 And it's it's it's all interwoven with with every 607 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,120 aspect. So it's the intention is, am I 608 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:05,000 working with deities with this? What kind of energy am I placing 609 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,760 into this, bringing my energy up to match, so to speak, the 610 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,880 energy that I want to attract back in. 611 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,520 So intention is used a lot, but it's absolutely not everything. 612 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,200 But I would say it is a vital part of my spell work. 613 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,880 And then the last aspect is the action. 614 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,400 Like you were saying, you know, I want money to come to me. 615 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,000 The action part of it is looking at how I can save where I can 616 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,560 save. You know, have I been buying 617 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,680 lunch every day while I've been in work? 618 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,920 Have I been buying that coffee every day? 619 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:44,320 You know, can I shop in a more in in a better way then that, 620 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,960 you know, in in shops where certain items are cheaper? 621 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,560 Can I start, you know, cooking things that are, you know, bulk 622 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:57,080 made and already prepped? So I'm taking so it's, it's, 623 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,480 that's the action, it's placing it in. 624 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,640 It's like someone said, I want a new lover coming in, but 625 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,640 actually sitting on their ass on the sofa and just expecting this 626 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,320 beautiful other human being to just knock on their door. 627 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,320 Sounds lovely. But you've you've got to do it. 628 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:16,520 You know you've got to. Get you know what? 629 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,440 I'm sorry for jumping in but I just reminded me of a comment I 630 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:27,120 had on a post on YouTube yesterday and basically I said 631 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,200 that we shouldn't be doing spell work for everything like you 632 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,600 say. And then that's why I jumped in 633 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,080 and on because you were talking about what is the intention and 634 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,080 why you're doing so. The comment was that I was a 635 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,120 scammer because I was saying that it's also the action you 636 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:47,120 take, not just no oh, that you passed, Oh no, I'm a scammer. 637 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:52,360 And yeah. No, I I would argue in just in 638 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:58,240 my practice, it is not craft, it is not spell work, it is not 639 00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:00,560 magic without some form of action there. 640 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,200 Absolutely. I can have the. 641 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,720 I can have the absolute intention to bake a cake, but 642 00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:10,000 without mixing the cake ingredients together and put it 643 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,840 in the oven, I'm not getting a cake. 644 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:13,720 What are you going to get, man? No. 645 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,480 Fresh. Air at this moment, but it's 646 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:24,000 true and and just to say that we intend for something to be is 647 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,120 just yeah, it's wild. And we see this an awful lot. 648 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:33,320 It's just like, OK, we can throw all of the items and 649 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,520 correspondences and layer up which we're going to talk about 650 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,760 again in a second. Our magic and we go all right, 651 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,920 our money balls done our money balls done. 652 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,560 And I intend it to work. But actually intention runs far 653 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,480 deeper than that. It's not just about the 654 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,040 intention of what you want it to do. 655 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,080 It's about like what Anand just said there's what undue Vicky 656 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,040 actually the why, the how. How is that going to make me 657 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,160 feel when it's achieved? Because breaking down those 658 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,840 elements then get you back to what the intention actually is. 659 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,120 Because if you're putting in intention, my car's broken down 660 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,360 and I didn't and I need money. And this is going to sound quite 661 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,560 new agey. It's just new agey stuff has has 662 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,040 clicked on to this, which is quite an old thing, isn't it? 663 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,320 But what I'm actually doing is I'm actually focused on the fact 664 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,200 that I have lack of money because I can't get my car 665 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,120 fixed. Right. 666 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,680 Yeah, Yeah. And then I'm, I'm going to 667 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,120 subconsciously say, well, I've got lack of money, I can't get 668 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,360 my car fixed, but I really want this money. 669 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,120 And now I'm not going to take any action whatsoever other than 670 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,120 just expect a cheque to come through my door. 671 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,920 It doesn't work like that. Well, on YouTube, apparently I'm 672 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,200 a scammer. Well. 673 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:56,880 So basically the intention is the driver, but it is multi 674 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,680 layered and multifaceted. Yes. 675 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,840 Just tend to have something. But actually it's far more 676 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,040 deeper than that, I think is our summary of intention. 677 00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:12,080 So correspondences then guys, What I mean we can start with 678 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,520 the caveat, right? We don't need correspondences 679 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,440 for magic to work. The magic is within us. 680 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,600 And I didn't mean that to sound sarcastic because I genuinely 681 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,600 and wholeheartedly know that to be fact. 682 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,280 That is what I teach. That is the core of my belief. 683 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,960 Yeah, I just realised it sounded a certain way as I said it, but 684 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,720 I also really love correspondences, so I'll go last 685 00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:35,400 because I'll talk about it all day otherwise. 686 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,360 But what do you guys feel about correspondences and on how do 687 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,960 you use that in your practice? And what does correspondences 688 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,360 mean to you? I think it comes back to what 689 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,640 you were mentioning earlier about layers. 690 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,880 Correspondences can can mean a wealth of things. 691 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,400 You get correspondences with colours, you get correspondences 692 00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:01,800 with herbs, with flowers. So as an example, if you wanted 693 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:07,360 to add extra energy or extra oomph as I like to call it, to 694 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,920 your working, you were going to add layers and those layers can 695 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:19,400 be represented by herbs, plants, colours, pebbles, shells, sand, 696 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,920 earth, etcetera. When it comes. 697 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,840 Moon. You forgot the moon. 698 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,160 The moon. Celestial. 699 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,360 That's celestial bitch up there. She's stunning. 700 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:38,200 Yeah, the moon, the weather, the spirits of the land, and 701 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:41,840 absolutely yourself. There are many, many, many 702 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,200 workings that I do within the land. 703 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:50,320 Like I've said before, nature is my altar and myself, my body is 704 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,200 my altar as well, right? But I do love using 705 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,640 correspondences from time to time. 706 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,680 I think it's incredibly important. 707 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,160 It's understanding that every plant, every herb, and every 708 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,080 color will have a wealth of different correspondences to it. 709 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:11,240 So it's understanding that the spirit of the plant or the herb 710 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:16,840 as an example, right, may have a poisonous aspect to it or a 711 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:21,120 negative aspect to it. It might have a neutral aspect 712 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,720 and then also a very positive aspect to it. 713 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,080 When we are speaking to that specific herb, number one, we 714 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:34,080 are putting our intention that we mentioned our breath and our 715 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:39,040 energy onto it and we are asking that specific spirit of the 716 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:44,520 plant to work with us to bring us AB or C in what we want, 717 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:49,560 whether it be love, whether it be cleansing protection, 718 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:56,040 spiritual protection, etcetera. And when we look at colours, I'm 719 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,320 not a pink girl, I'm not a pinky pinky girl. 720 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,000 But if you look at the colour correspondent, pink would be 721 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,520 classed as that self love like we get with rose quartz, the 722 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,760 typical crystal, right? For me, my one of my favourite 723 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,080 colours is purple and if I was going to do a self love with 724 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:20,120 regards to candle magic with the colour I might personally want 725 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,360 to use my personal experience of using purple. 726 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,760 So it's important to understand the correspondences, but it's 727 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,880 also about understanding your own personal connection to 728 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,680 certain plants. There are some people that hate 729 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,840 lavender that can't smell it because it gives them a reaction 730 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,560 or a headache, so for calming spells they can't use it. 731 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,520 There are some people that don't like roses, but for a love spell 732 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:51,480 as an example most workings will say to use a rose. 733 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,720 I would argue use a flower that you want a loved one to give you 734 00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:59,480 that is one of your favorite flowers and you can still use 735 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:04,040 that as a really positive correspondence in your working. 736 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,440 I love that you referenced that because it's really important, 737 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,640 because correspondences are, there's traditional 738 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,640 correspondences, folkloric correspondences, but actually 739 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,960 the core of anything that we use in our correspondence magic 740 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,520 especially is based on how we feel about that correspondence. 741 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,840 And like you say in purple for you aligns more fully for self 742 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,920 love than a pink does. And what about you Victoria? 743 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,960 How? How do you use correspondence? 744 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,720 How do you feel about it? Yeah, I'm pretty loosey goosey 745 00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:40,160 with correspondences. Easy peasy. 746 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:46,360 So correspondences for me are like a palette of paints. 747 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,080 I want to paint a picture. I'm going to put certain colours 748 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,360 on that. I'm going to mix them up a bit 749 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,880 and then hopefully we paint a picture, right. 750 00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:58,560 So my correspondence is in essence, so the different paints 751 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,720 that I've put on a palette, they may change according to my 752 00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:06,160 feeling, how I feel about them, the way I want to layer them up. 753 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,520 Or you could say ingredients of a cake. 754 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,960 I've got cakes and paintings on the on the mind today. 755 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:19,640 They're just symbolic tools, and we all have different feelings 756 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,240 and the ways of working with them. 757 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,200 And yes, there's some, you know, rosemary's great for memory. 758 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,240 OK, actually, so is mint. So work with what you want to 759 00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:30,000 work with. You don't need all the gizmos 760 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,960 and gadgets. It's about your practice being 761 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,360 your practice. That sounds really bad, but 762 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,560 you're going to layer it up the way that you would layer up a 763 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,400 cake or a loaf of bread, the recipe, the ingredients, the way 764 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,960 that you would layer up a painting. 765 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,280 So they're just tools. They're just tools. 766 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:53,880 And this prescribed colour magic thing, yes, obviously, I mean, 767 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,000 the colours are a hell of a lot, but some of the correspondences 768 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,640 that are written down in modern terms I don't actually agree 769 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,200 with because for me personally, it doesn't work that way. 770 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:05,880 Same as Anon was saying about pink. 771 00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:10,960 So yellow for instance, to me it's not a bright and breezy 772 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,560 colour. It's actually something that is 773 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,320 going to go down the lines of more depressive. 774 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,480 So, but that is really interesting because we do all 775 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:23,000 have our individual references and that can be from like 776 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,400 generational things as well, like our grand mum or what did 777 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,320 you call it, Mamgi, Mamgi. I love that our mamgi gives us 778 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,160 and therefore we always associate like friendship or 779 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,960 love or or whatever it may be to that. 780 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:42,720 So I sometimes I'm lazy with it and I go actually, no, I'm not 781 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:44,280 going to use any correspondences. 782 00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:49,560 But if I'm doing specific spell work, which I don't do that 783 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,520 often these days, to be honest, you know, like everybody thinks 784 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,000 we're running around bloody doing spells. 785 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,880 I don't do spells a lot. I'm going to do one this Sunday 786 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,320 and I'm doing 1 next Thursday actually with my Patreon and 787 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,520 abundance Ritual. And the reason I'm doing it on 788 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,480 Thursday is because it's cheaper to stay. 789 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,320 It's the day of expansion. It's my favorite day of the 790 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,960 week, but it also aligns to a waxing moon, which is a super 791 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,080 important correspondence for me. And I will use traditionally 792 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:20,960 known correspondent herbs like cinnamon, Bay leaf, basil, those 793 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,920 things that are meant to bring in abundance. 794 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,120 So those things are really important to me and I think it 795 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:31,000 all boils down to again, our individual practices and what we 796 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,200 feel aligned to. So if abundance for you means 797 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,640 something different, then work with that. 798 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,880 Don't question it because our body and the way that we feel 799 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,320 about it reacts much quicker than our mind does. 800 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,600 So we need to feel into that. If we feel like lavender, as an 801 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:52,680 example, feels abundant to us because we, I don't know, we 802 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,520 have an idea of going to this Manor house when we were a child 803 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,680 and it was lavender everywhere and it just felt luxurious and 804 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,680 abundant because it is one of those plants that grows out of 805 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,880 control. Although mine's just about to 806 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,280 die, but we won't go into that. But anyway, if you've got that 807 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,840 correspondence in your head, that's absolutely relevant. 808 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,920 That's how you should use that herb, that plant, that 809 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,360 correspondence, that color. Vicki, like you said, yellow 810 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,240 feels like depressive. It doesn't for me. 811 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,000 I don't use it within my magical practice that way. 812 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:25,000 Yellow represents the sun and Sundays and abundance or 813 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,800 creativity even, and joy and all of those things. 814 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,600 So it is just about finding what works for you. 815 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,640 You can use multiple correspondences in magic. 816 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,240 Ultimately you don't need to. Going back to the way I 817 00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:41,600 sarcastically put it across at the beginning but didn't mean 818 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,760 to, The magic is within us, so we can perform magic without any 819 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,800 correspondence at all. But when we feel that we want to 820 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,200 layer it in, we absolutely can and we should focus on what that 821 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,840 means for us individually. Can I just quickly add in as 822 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,240 well correspondences whilst I say I'm going to go, OK, I 823 00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:02,880 won't, then I'll just stop talking. 824 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,800 No. So I'll say it's like putting 825 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,280 colours on a palette that makes it sound like you need to use 826 00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,520 lots and lots of them and when we talk about layering up, makes 827 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,200 it sound like you need to use lots of them. 828 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,880 Actually, the thing that I found is if you add too many 829 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,080 ingredients, it can spoil what you're doing somewhat. 830 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,480 Keep it simple guys. You know, keep it simple. 831 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,880 If you just have one thing, do the one thing, that's absolutely 832 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,120 fine. OK, so let's go on to some other 833 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,880 things that we will often hear shadow work. 834 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,720 So I get asked quite a lot about shadow work from people on 835 00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:47,520 Patreon and social media all of the time because it is very much 836 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:54,440 a popularised area of deep diving our emotions that seems 837 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,240 to have been attributed to witchcraft and just talking from 838 00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:00,320 a historical perspective, it's never been a part of a 839 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:05,720 traditional witchcraft practice. It was created by a guy called 840 00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:10,360 Carl Jung, again in the 1900s as a psychological tool to 841 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,760 understand, like the shadow, I think the persona, our self, 842 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:20,000 yeah, which is amazing. It's amazing psychological tool 843 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,600 to break down. And I often use the terminology 844 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,080 on social media because people understand it and can relate to 845 00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,960 it. However, shadow work typically 846 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:34,440 is not a witchcraft thing but elements of our shadow self. 847 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,280 And I think going back to your earlier comment Vicky about 848 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,520 understanding ourselves truly and fully as part of what 849 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,720 witchcraft is. I 100% agree. 850 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:48,400 Like that is uncovering parts of our self that we need to work 851 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:49,680 on. Understand. 852 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,800 But I call them shadow because I haven't got a different 853 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:59,160 terminology to use. But Shadow work is about Carl 854 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:05,240 Jung, who I believe was like a psychologist, which is why he 855 00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:09,720 kind of coined that phrase, which has now been attributed to 856 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:12,720 witchcraft, which is, you know, again, something that isn't a 857 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:15,360 modern, that isn't a historic thing. 858 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,200 Yeah, and you and you'll hear me. 859 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,560 I will use the terminology of it because if I'm talking to other 860 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:26,760 witches or I'm talking to people who are beginning their journey, 861 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,640 they understand necessarily the term of what shadow work is, but 862 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,200 they've heard the terminology. They know it's more of the sort 863 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,080 of the darker side. If you like. 864 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,680 Do I think you need to do shadow work? 865 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:38,680 Absolutely. Bloody not. 866 00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,360 And and that and there you go. I mean, do I think you ought to 867 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,160 be honest with yourself? And sometimes that's a bit of a 868 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,560 journey, yes, because you find out more of your why. 869 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,720 Do you have to journal then Vic? I don't journal that often. 870 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,520 No, I hate it. But that's also a big part of 871 00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,560 modern shadow work practices is to journal it out. 872 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,880 And I know I absolutely, I'm not saying it's not a good thing. 873 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,520 I think I teach it, I advocate for it. 874 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:13,040 I'm not good at it unless I'm within a space or a specific 875 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,600 kind of workshop or an environment where I'm going to 876 00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,000 journal specifically, but I won't get up in the morning and 877 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,720 journal. But that, again, journalling is 878 00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:23,680 part of shadow work, comes hand in hand. 879 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,520 It's more of a modern practice. Yeah, I think. 880 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,760 I mean, don't get me wrong, I take, I have a notebook and I 881 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,000 have a grimoire. I am more likely to take notice 882 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,760 of what a plant is doing or how did that spell go. 883 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,400 Oh my God, I'd love to get hold of your grimoire. 884 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,160 I feel like I'm. Saying nothing. 885 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,800 Is it like a big ancient looking? 886 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,880 Is it on a pedestal? It's kind of heavy. 887 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,040 You got an ancient grimoire, Vic. 888 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,640 Grimoire. I do like a grimoire, but I'm 889 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,840 all Arti Farti, aren't I? So yeah, I do like a grimoire. 890 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,800 Is it? One of those big fancy massive 891 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,480 ones. It's it's. 892 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:01,720 Pretty. Let me put it that way. 893 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:03,680 I know. Do you want me to be with you 894 00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:04,480 when I die? I. 895 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,800 Always want yes please. I've always wanted to do a 896 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,560 grimoire, but again, and for those that don't know it's it's 897 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:17,400 a book where you keep all of the spells and knowledge and you 898 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,200 pass it down generationally. And and and and you put in 899 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:22,880 things like, you know what works for you? 900 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,080 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 901 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:30,000 This is this is the throat sore throat recipe and actually, you 902 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,080 know, I know that it's going to go have honey and stuff, but I 903 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,640 tried chamomile in that and that worked really, really well. 904 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,720 That was a great success. So that's. 905 00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:40,560 Definitely want you to hand down your grimoire to me, please. 906 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,280 I started one and then I couldn't make it look nice 907 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,800 enough and then I judged myself and I stopped so. 908 00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:50,400 But I also don't have anybody to pass it down to my son. 909 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,160 Well, maybe, maybe he will find his way. 910 00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,760 But he's very religious, so we'll see. 911 00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,400 Martin going here, you know, I left it to you in my will. 912 00:52:58,400 --> 00:52:59,720 It'll just go to waste. But. 913 00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:02,320 It's actually part of why I it's part of why I started the 914 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,080 Patreon, which is why it's free, because there are some grimoire 915 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,840 pages of mine and info of mine that are actually out and they 916 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,280 will be going out. And it's because people are so 917 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,480 worried about I've got to have this really lovely looking book. 918 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,080 And for me that's, that's, that's an easy thing. 919 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,360 I'm not too to my own horn. That is just what I do. 920 00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,720 I know, I bet it's in looking. It's kind of cool. 921 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:28,440 I'm not showing anybody my grimoire, but what I can do is I 922 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,040 can adapt it a little bit and say, look, you can print this 923 00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,800 off if you want to put it on your own paper, just build it 924 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,880 all together, you know, And if you don't agree with some of the 925 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,960 things that I've put in there, actually there's some borders 926 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,120 and stuff that you can use because you don't necessarily 927 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,120 want my stuff in your, in your in your grimoire. 928 00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,640 I do. I want to be in the famous Vicki 929 00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,880 Grimoire. Does it really agree with the 930 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,480 page? The page of GAIL it is all. 931 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,840 Yeah, mine is all hand bound as well. 932 00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,120 It's all hand bound. Oh my God, it sounds the paper. 933 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,880 Has been made. Yeah, I'm a bit picky about it, 934 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,480 but again, I'm really old. I've been doing this a long 935 00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:04,600 time. So there we go. 936 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,240 I. Didn't want to say that and on 937 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,960 over to the other oldie. Hi. 938 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,480 How about you shadow work Grimwells? 939 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,360 What's your thoughts? For me, I actually call it 940 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,360 reflection work. I don't call it shadow work 941 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:24,640 because when I first heard the term and I thought about viewing 942 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,840 my own shadow, I was like, how is that negative? 943 00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:33,080 Viewing my own shadow that I cast in that beautiful sunlight 944 00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,840 or moonlight? My own physical shadow is a 945 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,680 beautiful reflective image of me. 946 00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:45,680 I think reflection work is incredibly important, but it is 947 00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,520 not to be done. And I mean this with with love, 948 00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,920 right? It is not to be done if there is 949 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,600 any form of trauma there. I would not advise it to be done 950 00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,960 on your own. Really digging down deep into 951 00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:05,600 Pandora's box and if and it and if there is anything like that 952 00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:10,200 potentially there in your past. Please seek professional support 953 00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,440 soon. I really wouldn't advise that to 954 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,040 be done on your own. With regards to journaling, I 955 00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:20,200 do, I have now See, I don't call them grimoires. 956 00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:26,000 I have lots of books which are primarily a record of my spells, 957 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,040 the dates, the time, the moon phase. 958 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,400 GAIL, you'll be glad to hear. Thank you. 959 00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:37,880 Correspondences, if I use them wise, and I've got box and box 960 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:42,000 of those because that is my reference, I can look back and 961 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:46,680 if a spell hasn't come through exactly as I was planning it on, 962 00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:50,600 I look back and reflect on that. With regards to my own 963 00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:55,000 reflection, I've mentioned this before when I go into nature, I 964 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,960 find nature incredibly cleansing anyway. 965 00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:02,520 And if I am in a private, you know, space in the woodland with 966 00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:06,480 my dog, I will speak to nature. And I find that incredibly 967 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,600 cathartic. It's, you know, especially if 968 00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,560 I've had a difficult day, a difficult week, if there's lots 969 00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:16,360 of different choices to be made and I'm not sure what pathway to 970 00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:20,840 go on or, you know, do I think something is holding me back and 971 00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:25,640 why and when and all of that. I'll do that in nature or I will 972 00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:29,440 do that in my car driving from A to BI. 973 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,520 Don't need to write that down because as soon As for me 974 00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:39,560 anyway, as soon as I write down my concerns about things, I give 975 00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,880 it power. If if that then becomes a 976 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:47,640 physical reality at at one point it's a thought in my mind, But 977 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,120 as soon as I write something down about a reflection of self 978 00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:55,040 of I, I should have said this, I, I, I could have done that 979 00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:59,480 differently. I give it power and I refuse to 980 00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,200 give that power. I'll verbalize it and then I 981 00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,640 will let it go. Do you know that's exactly how I 982 00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,080 feel about it, Exactly how I feel about it. 983 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,200 Absolutely. Keep notes of what works, what 984 00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:13,560 doesn't work, so that you've got some sort of reference record. 985 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:19,600 But I am not in for this shadow work journal anything, Not at 986 00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:21,480 all. It's a bit like, you know, when 987 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,840 you've got a cut and it ends up all horrible and posse and green 988 00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:25,680 and grim. Yeah. 989 00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:31,160 Am I going to write about it and try and use some sort of magic 990 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,240 it away? Or shall I go to AGP and go and 991 00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:36,760 get some antibiotics? Yeah. 992 00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:41,400 I mean, it's, it's, it's a very, it's a very good way to look. 993 00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:47,080 And I do advocate this under safe circumstances to view your 994 00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,840 progress of mentally and physically where you once were 995 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,000 compared to where you are now. And I think for some people that 996 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,600 can be incredibly important to view their journey of recovery 997 00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:04,400 or, you know, feeling better about themselves or a situation. 998 00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:08,760 But that's not for everybody, you know, viewing back a 999 00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,360 specific moment or person in your life that made you feel 1000 00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:17,080 horrific is only going to reintroduce that trauma again. 1001 00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:22,280 So for me personally, in my practice, I don't work like 1002 00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,120 that. So as we anticipated, we were 1003 00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,200 never going to finish this in just one episode. 1004 00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,480 So the basics of witchcraft and the terminology will definitely 1005 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,440 have a Part 2. So make sure you come back for 1006 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,600 that. So that leads us on to our come 1007 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:38,040 sit with us listener question. And this week it comes from Lulu 1008 00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,760 Lava who is on TikTok. She has been loving the podcast. 1009 00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,480 She's been listening to the questions, but she's always 1010 00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,360 wondered and we've never seen a question from anyone asking 1011 00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,720 about this online. And interestingly, we've just 1012 00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,240 covered some of this, but the question is about shadow work. 1013 00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,080 Everywhere you hear how important shadow work is. 1014 00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,160 I've tried books and guides. I just don't get it. 1015 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,480 I'm not sure if it's because luckily I've never really had 1016 00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,320 past trauma and I've never had to deal with it, or it's still 1017 00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,200 festers. Can you shed any light on this, 1018 00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,880 please? And I think we've just answered 1019 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,240 some of that in truth. But answering this question 1020 00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,280 specifically, what do you think, Vic? 1021 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:19,520 OK, Yeah. I mean, I think we have actually 1022 00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:23,200 already covered it really. But I think if shadow work is in 1023 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,720 your bag and you're not connecting with it, you don't 1024 00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,360 need to do. It and it's a fair question to 1025 00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:31,640 ask in terms of whether I've had past trauma, but when we look at 1026 00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,240 the way Anon phrased it, our reflection and things that we 1027 00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:40,840 need to reflect on is there past lives that we need to look at 1028 00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,280 that are holding us back. It's not necessarily about 1029 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,800 traumatic events in this lifetime, but it can be again, 1030 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,040 not even trauma, but it can be just things that are holding us 1031 00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,680 back. Generally speaking, because 1032 00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:56,160 we've all got wounds within us from our childhood where we've 1033 00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,680 got abandonment issues perhaps. And I'm not saying from a 1034 00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,040 traumatic position, just from being a child and feeling like 1035 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:07,120 we weren't supported or. Somebody saying something shitty 1036 01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:11,320 to us, like you're never going to amount to anything or you're 1037 01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:15,480 fat or you're ugly. Those things can then come to us 1038 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,880 in this adult version of our existence and hold us back. 1039 01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:24,440 So shadow work, as we've explained, isn't necessary, but 1040 01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,080 sometimes it's important to unearth the things that may be 1041 01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,560 holding you back from moving on. And that's the difference, I 1042 01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:31,320 think. So Which? 1043 01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,720 Sorry, which we covered a little bit earlier on by stripping 1044 01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:38,880 yourself back, understanding who you are, why you do things, it's 1045 01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,600 pretty important. But shadow work isn't necessary, 1046 01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:45,760 and you want to go down the cold young psychological route. 1047 01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,400 What do you think Anon? Think within my craft anyway, 1048 01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:54,120 you know, knowing self, understanding self is incredibly 1049 01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,880 important. We mentioned doing money magic 1050 01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,800 earlier. I think if you've grown up in an 1051 01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:05,640 environment where money was something that everybody else 1052 01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:11,640 had, money was something that was only for the wealthy and you 1053 01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,880 know, you grew up in and an environment where it was always 1054 01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:21,400 lacking and you're doing spell work connected to it and you're 1055 01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:27,560 thinking actually I'm, I'm not seeing much of A benefit to the 1056 01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:31,160 working. I think that's potentially where 1057 01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,000 a lot of reflection work can come into. 1058 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:37,000 It is understanding your emotional relationship with 1059 01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:42,920 money, just as an example of, you know, do you feel that you 1060 01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,120 do not deserve it? Do you? 1061 01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:49,400 Are you still subconsciously in that mindset of money will never 1062 01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,120 be mine? So therefore, when you're doing 1063 01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:55,240 the working, there's a part of you that subconsciously still 1064 01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,400 thinks, oh, well, this will never happen. 1065 01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,920 So therefore you're not aligning with that frequency because deep 1066 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:06,560 down you're you still have a negative belief to it. 1067 01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:11,280 So I very similar to what you've both said, I I think it is 1068 01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:15,040 important to understand self understand where you're coming 1069 01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:20,320 from and your lineage, but it's not necessary, it's it and it's 1070 01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,560 not always safe. Thank you for listening to 1071 01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,080 Between 3 Witches Witchcraft in Plain Sight. 1072 01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,720 If this episode resonated, you're welcome to sit with it, 1073 01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,000 share it, or let it unfold in your own time. 1074 01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:34,280 You can find me, Vicki, and Anon on all the social media 1075 01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,600 platforms and I will write that in the show notes. 1076 01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,120 Until next time, may your practice meet you exactly where 1077 01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:40,560 you are.