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Welcome to Between Three 
Witches, where we talk about 

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witchcraft in plain sight. 
Everyday magic lived honestly, 

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and it's hosted by three 
witches. 

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Me, Gayle, the witch next door. 
Me, Vicky the wheelie. 

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Green witch and me Anon the 
anonymous witch. 

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We all walk different paths with
different levels of experience, 

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but we share a deep respect for 
the craft as it is actually 

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practice and not the dramatized 
version that people expect. 

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Today's episode dives into a 
topic that we keep getting 

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asked. 
Who the hell are you lot? 

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So today we are going to 
interview each other and share 

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some insights on our practice 
and our history. 

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But before we get into all that,
how have we all been what we've 

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been up to? 
I am loving this weather. 

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Wow, a beautiful bit of sunshine
and you just get so much energy.

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It's gorgeous. 
And it's like, what, a week or 

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two away now and we're in the 
festival. 

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And for those that don't know, 
we are all going to the Witch 

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and Pagan festival in Coventry 
which is hosted and run by the 

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Coven of Gaia and many other 
covens in fact. 

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But the Coven of Gaia are the 
lead host and it's all a 

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not-for-profit as well, so it 
all gets donated to charity. 

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But all of the witches come 
together and all of the pagans 

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and all of the Vikings and 
everybody can be as weird and 

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wonderful as they want to be for
a weekend, which is incredible. 

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So yes, we have hopefully the 
weather sticks then and on as 

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well. 
You are going to be there's a 

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whole Viking village and then 
they do Viking fights at 

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lunchtime. 
And I'll see if I go missing 

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I'll be with them, right? 
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We'll find in the Viking 
Village. 

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Well, I'm glad you're good. 
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The weather is immense and I've 
had a really funny weekend. 

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I've had a really amazing 
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I went to do my drumming circle 
in Avebury, which is my second 

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home at the moment. 
I'm so connected to that land 

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there and it's the largest stone
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And it's just incredible energy.
And I get to go and share that 

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space with other women. 
But I did. 

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I did go this week with a bit of
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You 2 both know this but I 
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But on Friday I found a little 
mouse on my way back from the 

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shop and I was trying to save 
the mouse and make a little home

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for it and find the right food 
and and it died and I absolutely

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broke my heart. 
I mean I cried so much on Friday

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night it was unbearable. 
Like it was just pure ugly 

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crying. 
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or into even the the drumming 
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And everybody was so joyous and 
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The sun was shining. 
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like that, you have a sharing 
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And there was me ugly crying, 
sobbing, you know, when you 

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can't get your words out because
there was so much tears. 

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But we are spreading my 
brother's ashes this weekend. 

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So I think the symbology of me 
not being able to save that 

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mouse run very deep cut very 
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So yes, not a lovely tale to 
tell for my weekend, but there 

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was lots of tears. 
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It's so important, I guess just 
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We are so as human, so used to 
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emotions and they are all so 
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And even I have to remind myself
that sitting there sobbing and 

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crying, emotional wreck is 
absolutely is as good as me 

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feeling joy and happy or sad or 
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So I do embrace it, even though 
it feels, you know, like that 

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horrible pain in the back of 
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And we were holding this little,
it's a little owl that we share.

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So you hold it and you talk. 
It was just covered in my snot 

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and tears. 
And I had to hand it to the 

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woman next to me. 
But she thankfully, I've met her

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before and she's like, do you 
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I'm like, not now, you know, 
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Just don't hug me because I'll 
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But I did feel so much better. 
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around the stones and chanted 
and sang and yeah, it was 

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incredible. 
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emotion this weekend, but I also
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And those moments just bring me 
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make me feel into my humanness. 
So Vicky, how was your weekend? 

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No pressure, my weekend was 
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Hey, don't take away from my 
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All those emotions. 
My weekend, yeah, it was good. 

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Lots of planting up of all the 
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all planted up, courgettes and 
squash and all that good stuff. 

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Some gardens well on the way. 
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pass edit on my book, so I know.
It's a. 

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Long time coming, a long time 
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first pass, so yeah. 
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where we're going to ask each 
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question is what do you do with 
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the veg? 
Like I mean anonymous getting? 

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Are we getting a box sent to us 
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Because it's you must have too 
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Have a box we so we grow a lot 
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I'm vegetarian anyway so that 
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It gets shared amongst friends 
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Some of it gets stored. 
The veg basically sees me 

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through for the whole year. 
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Self-sufficient. 
Pretty. 

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Self-sufficient? 
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I'm not self-sufficient for 
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eats meat. 
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say, how does the husband deal 
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breakfast? 
He doesn't eat the squash for 

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breakfast. 
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He doesn't mind the spuds and 
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that. 
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I have my weird and wonderful 
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start, as soon as it starts, 
halves him, everything starts 

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getting canned and sauces and 
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We start preserving it. 
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I can't wait to get my veg box 
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Like a good veg box. 
Thank you. 

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We give them away mostly on when
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We actually give away sort of a 
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We give away a hell of a lot to 
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That segues us nicely into that.
Let's question Vicki. 

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So today we're going to get to 
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you are and hopefully what type 
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I mean, we've all come to this 
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just bloody everywhere. 
I feel like at this point 

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everybody knows. 
But but I guess there's elements

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of well, we'll see. 
I think Vicki and I are both 

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nervous about Anon's questions 
because she's been very excited 

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about this episode. 
So, Anon, do you want to ask 

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Vicky the first question? 
Yes, please. 

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Did you have or do you have any 
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At all. 
I use a lot of folk craft. 

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It's very, very traditional and 
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depth I'm really used to doing 
it's, it's not something new 

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that I've gone into. 
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and I think that actually been a
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just makes you a little bit more
aware and that's actually not a 

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bad thing. 
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yourself. 
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Navigate that then when you were
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that fear, was it a case of, you
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I've got this or did you seek 
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I was seen, yeah. 
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was much younger, and I don't 
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younger, sort of late teens, 
early 20s, I found it very, very

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difficult. 
I pick up on spirit a lot. 

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I wouldn't say I'm a medium 
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with things. 
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certain dreams and I do pick up 
on spirit a lot and I wasn't 

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comfortable comfortable with 
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And so I was taught by an aunt 
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actually protected until I was 
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So and then it was just a case 
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little bit of guidance, so. 
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actually. 
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So you've spoken previously 
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hearing a voice when your 
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Before. 
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experience with the spiritual 
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I must have been probably about 
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people who were in the house who
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They weren't pretend friends. 
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before. 
I would just say, oh, so and so 

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is here. 
The old man's here. 

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Yeah, yeah, I would see people. 
I would hear people that I must 

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have been 3:00 or 4:00-ish. 
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I see dead people. 
It is. 

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It was a little bit I see dead. 
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the time. 
I thought they were rounded up. 

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I couldn't work out why other 
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parents or your? 
Sibling. 

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I thought it was totally normal.
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Do you see I see that guy over 
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Yeah, the interesting thing is. 
Being weird again. 

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It was, well, the interesting 
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she saw somebody walking towards
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completely disappear, just fade 
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So, yeah, we were both our 
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So cool, I've never really had 
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don't need to ask me that 
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It's not my most comfortable 
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Talking about it or? 
Generally do it. 

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I'm used to it now. 
I am used to it now so I just 

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have a chat with them. 
That's fine, but it did take me 

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a long time to get used to it. 
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And I think we can put blockers 
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I know. 
I know specific people and I 

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think I do the same as well 
because I go actually I'm not, 

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I'm not open to that level of 
communication. 

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But if I if I wanted to be, I 
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always just been accepting of 
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Mostly until it became 
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absolutely protected myself from
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of came back more into it a 
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Just being a little bit older 
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really. 
I've got a very serious question

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to ask. 
OK, if your craft had a warning 

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label, what would it? 
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ADHD. 
I'm a bit skizzy sometimes. 

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It's a bit all over the place A.
Bit all over the place. 

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Yeah, morning. 
It can be a bit all over the 

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place. 
I love that. 

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When, when do you, when do you 
then Vicky, feel like your most 

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witchy self? 
When you're not even trying 

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usually. 
When I'm painting or I'm in the 

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garden, that's my me time. 
That's my I, that's who I am. 

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Or when I'm writing, actually 
these days, But yeah, yeah. 

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So when I'm, when I'm doing 
something creative, that's what 

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I'd say. 
If I'm creating something, 

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working with the land, creating 
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my probably my my worst, my 
worst, No, my most, my most, my 

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worst, my worst, my most witchy 
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But this, this part of the year 
must be your favorite time then,

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because. 
You love it. 

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Yeah, absolutely. 
You love it. 

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Spring must be your time. 
The listeners may associate you 

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as the green witch, someone who 
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Do you ask for permission when 
collecting or harvesting plants 

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for workings? 
And if you do, how do you 

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respond if they say no? 
Oh, I like this. 

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The answer is yes, I do. 
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vegetables I grow as well. 
Actually. 

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Always have a little chat with 
them first. 

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Always ask permission and you 
pick up on whether they want to 

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or not. 
Does that make sense? 

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They're sort of, they'll either 
be quite happy to or not. 

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If they say no, that's 
absolutely fine. 

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Then then they get left. 
So if there is a tomato that 

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doesn't want to be picked, this 
is really weird, isn't it? 

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But if there is a tomato that 
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that's absolutely fine. 
It will stay on the plant. 

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But whenever you say that, you 
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speaking to weirdos. 
Like no, it's not weird. 

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But it does sound really. 
Weird. 

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We are weirdos. 
Mr. How would you try and 

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describe that as some for 
somebody to try and understand? 

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Is it learning what your yes or 
your no is? 

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Is it tuning into your 
intuition? 

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Is it touching the plant and 
feeling some kind of energy? 

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How would how would you try and 
define that for someone very 

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new? 
OK, so I always touch the plant 

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when I ask. 
I always touch the plant. 

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And what I look for, for a yes 
is a very settled, very calm 

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feeling in my chest. 
If it feels janky at all, if it 

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feels like I don't know I 
suddenly get distracted, or it 

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feels slightly uneasy, then 
that's my no. 

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And that is so important. 
Actually, I, I do teach this in,

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I've done it a number of times 
in courses I've done on Patreon 

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in my 1 to ones, because this is
one of those things that people 

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really struggle to understand, 
like what their yes and no is 

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like Anon said, but also what 
that feels like. 

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And it's about like you're 
articulated coming back to how 

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it feels in your body. 
So for you it's the chest and 

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it's like a junky feeling, like 
you said, but for somebody else,

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it could be, you could feel it 
in your head or in your stomach 

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or in your back. 
So understanding what that means

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for you, Is it in your yes or 
no? 

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Absolutely. 
And that and that'll be 

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different for every single 
person. 

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But because you're an old witch,
you know exactly where. 

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It is. 
I'm very old. 

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I'm very old, yes. 
Yeah. 

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For me, you know, for me, if it 
feels tingly, janky, I'm 

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starting to look at other stuff 
or I'm getting distracted, or I 

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just get a bit of an uneasy 
feeling about it if it's a no. 

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I don't think I've ever even 
heard the word janky before, but

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I want to use it. 
Use. 

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It's a great word it. 
Is it's a great word. 

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OK, I'm sorry, but if you could 
only work with one plan for the 

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rest of your practice, what 
would it be and why? 

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Oh. 
Do I only get one? 

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This is the name of the game, 
one plan for the rest of your 

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practice. 
But why? 

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I think I might know the answer 
to this. 

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Ivy. 
I don't know the answer to that.

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Did you think I was going to say
Wormwood? 

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I like Wormwood. 
Well, a lot. 

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I thought rue, and then I 
thought you might say Moss. 

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OK, well if I was allowed more, 
I probably rue. 

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I love. 
When would I love? 

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I love. 
You like I think. 

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But I don't give just, I think 
Ivy. 

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If I had to only pick 1 Ivy, 
very boundary setting. 

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It's got a lovely energy towards
me. 

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It really calms me down. 
Yeah, it's great. 

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And it's Evergreen. 
It's Evergreen. 

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It stays there. 
It's all over the place. 

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Can't get rid of it. 
Can't. 

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Get rid. 
Of it. 

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Oh yes, yes it is. 
I didn't know that, but it does 

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make sense. 
Yeah, and it's in my little sort

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of bit, but I, I mean, I don't 
really work with fairies, but 

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they they do have a have a witch
area and Ivy's all around it so.

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Yeah I don't work with fairies 
either but more recently fairies

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aren't popping up but the me 
having to learn about fairies 

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seems to be more prevalent so 
I'm blaming and on for this to 

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feel like she's sending them to 
teachers stuff. 

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Yes, there's. 
A witchy. 

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There's a witchy laugh again. 
No, I'll only send them if I get

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permission. 
You both know that. 

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Well, something's trying to drag
me into my education of fairies,

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that's for sure. 
They don't listen to me anyway. 

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I I couldn't understand why. 
I've got no clear understanding 

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of that. 
So you have spoken quite a lot 

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so far about little facts that 
we didn't know, but give the 

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listeners a fact about you that 
we are not aware of about your 

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craft. 
About my craft. 

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That you feel comfortable in 
speaking about. 

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I think it's probably that I 
work with. 

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I work in balance, but I'm very 
comfortable working on the, for 

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want of a better word, the 
darker side of things. 

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So I wouldn't say I'm a bird 
witch or a black witch or 

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anything else. 
I keep it very balanced. 

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However, the slightly more umphy
side of things I'm very 

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comfortable with. 
Yeah, yeah, I will use it when I

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need to and it doesn't bother me
at all. 

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And I love that because I, I 
guess from the outside, people 

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look at your practice and go 
right there. 

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She is planting away, working 
with plant energy, being a 

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guidance and a teacher. 
But the, the reality is we've 

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all got private parts of our 
practice, whether we call them 

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dark or black. 
It's really difficult. 

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It's very difficult to 
understand. 

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Like you say, there's another 
side to witchcraft that you're 

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quite comfortable in sitting 
with because you've been doing 

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it for long enough. 
Is is really interesting? 

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Yeah, and it's. 
Also private, right? 

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It's also a part of your private
practice. 

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Yeah. 
And I think when I'm on social 

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platforms, I don't generally, I 
wouldn't necessarily go and 

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teach that because you don't 
know who's newer or remembering 

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or coming into the craft. 
And so that would be 

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irresponsible of me just to go 
here. 

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Let's go do that. 
Do you think you'd ever teach 

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it? 
Yes. 

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So with the right person on a 
one to one basis, I could 

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probably help or I'd not. 
I could probably help. 

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I could probably be comfortable 
mentoring if that makes. 

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Sense, yeah, but why is there? 
Why is there hesitation? 

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Is it because it's personal, or 
is it because you you'd have to 

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really trust that that 
practitioner understands what 

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they're working with. 
Both, both #1 a lot of what I do

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is personal and #2 yeah, I'd, 
I'd like to know, I'd like to be

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able to trust that somebody. 
Is anyone ever actually ready? 

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Probably not, but I'd like to 
know that they'd actually have 

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some respectful understanding of
where this could lead to so they

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don't go just fully down it so 
they keep that balance. 

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How did you how did you get into
that? 

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Was it self education or did you
get walked through it as well? 

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A little bit of both, a little 
bit of both. 

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I was given some of the basics, 
I was spoken to about some of it

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and then it's off you go 
sunshine, go learn so. 

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Many mistakes. 
Loads. 

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Absolutely. 
Yes, it was completely perfect 

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all the time, never went. 
Wrong. 

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But isn't that interesting that 
you wouldn't want to? 

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You wouldn't want to guide 
somebody unless they were ready,

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but you had to learn those 
lessons in order to be as 

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proficient as you are. 
I'm not psychoanalysing you and 

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I don't mean to, but just. 
Not that I'm a control freak, 

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no. 
No, it's just interesting. 

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Like you'd go, oh, I don't want 
to teach somebody because just 

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in case they're not ready. 
But you weren't ready. 

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I wasn't ready. 
Look how this made you. 

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Yeah. 
I think, and I think that's the 

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thing, isn't it? 
You just go through the bait. 

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All you can really do is go 
through the basics and maybe 

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answer questions when they come 
up. 

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But at the end of the day, if 
something goes wrong, you're 

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you're going to be the one that 
has to get yourself out of it. 

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Yeah. 
So when I say ready, I think 

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it's more maybe are they ready 
to not completely freak to get 

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themselves out of something 
rather than ready? 

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Are you ready to learn that does
that? 

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Yeah, that makes more sense. 
I think you'd be an amazing 

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mentor or teacher. 
You. 

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You've just got that air about 
you. 

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Yeah, I agree. 
Like a lot of patience for 

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someone. 
Oh, thank you. 

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I think that's really nice. 
I mean, don't get me wrong, I've

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mentored artists that, so you 
have to have a lot of patience 

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and not tell people exactly what
to do as well. 

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I've never really thought about 
doing that for the craft. 

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Isn't that crazy? 
Yeah, like, I find that, yeah, 

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really. 
I mean, I obviously my, my 

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spiritual path is all about 
leaning into helping others 

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find, find their way. 
Like that's, that's where, where

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I am at the moment. 
That's where spirits leading me.

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So I would find that crazy 
because it's, it feels really 

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natural to me. 
But maybe now is not the right 

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time, but maybe there will come 
a time. 

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Maybe when the book is out and 
published and maybe I'll get 

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time. 
Exactly. 

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OK, next question. 
Where do you personally draw the

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line in witchcraft? 
On what? 

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There's a line. 
There's a line. 

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Is there a line for everything? 
I don't know, Miss Balance, I 

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was going to say well. 
My line is balance, so the line 

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line on anything just keeping a 
sensible level head on most 

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things. 
No, but is so is there. 

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This is so. 
Difficult. 

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But is it a no though? 
Do you just got? 

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Actually, no, there is no line. 
I'm telling you now, my mind has

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gone so bad without sacrificing 
babies, where's the line? 

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And Betty is like, no, there's 
no line. 

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I don't see any line. 
I would go very careful with 

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anybody underage of what they 
could actually do know and what 

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direction they might be going 
in. 

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We get way too serious now with 
babies. 

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I know it's just. 
But no, as far as I'm concerned,

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there isn't a lie. 
Oh. 

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Wow, oh wow. 
And on and on. 

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I've got no doubt in my mind 
that you have got no line 

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either. 
Well, I'm not going to sacrifice

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a baby. 
Well, that wasn't the line I was

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thinking. 
Where are we going with this I. 

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Know good grief OK have you got 
a question Let's get away from 

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dead sacrificing of. 
Yes. 

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Now this is a question. 
Wow, right. 

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This is a question for both of 
you. 

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Actually. 
I'm going to spin it up a bit, 

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but Victor gets to go first. 
I do see GAIL look at me, then 

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the side eye she gave me. 
So who is your favorite witch 

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and why? 
My favorite witch me because I'm

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perfect. 
I I don't have one. 

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I think there is a lot of good 
practitioners out there and we 

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can learn from so many different
sources. 

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I don't have a favorite. 
That's like asking who's your 

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favorite child. 
I've got 1. 

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If you've got one. 
Well, I, I don't think I've so 

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when we're talking about 
favorite witch like historical 

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or modern, it's so hard because 
I feel like I learned from 

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everywhere. 
Like there's people I started 

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learning from in the beginning 
and then reading from hit like 

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books as well. 
There's so many practitioners 

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that aren't even online and 
their books like are just 

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incredible. 
Oh, that's such a tough 

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question. 
It is really difficult, isn't 

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it? 
Because it. 

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Could be fiction. 
Oh, you like Sabrina the Teenage

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Witch? 
It. 

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Could Could it be fiction? 
Yeah, it can be fiction. 

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Mustard, right? 
I'm picking a fictional. 

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Right, I'm picking a fiction one
then, because. 

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I know I want to be grub bags 
and if anybody's old enough to 

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know who grub bags is, that is 
me. 

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I will. 
I will have Sally out of 

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Practical Magic because she 
makes soaps out of herbs. 

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Lush, do you want to know mine? 
Yes. 

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Madame Mim from Arthur, King 
Arthur, remember it. 

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I see, but you already had that 
prepared. 

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Maybe who? 
Yeah, I went straight to sort of

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online teachers stroke authors 
of. 

453
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,000
So many. 
Actually, there are so many. 

454
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,240
And it doesn't matter how long 
you've been practising your 

455
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,160
craft, you're always going to be
learning something. 

456
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,080
Yeah. 
There's somebody new all of the 

457
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,560
time as well or something new 
because I don't, like I've said 

458
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,920
before, I don't there's no 
practitioner online or in in in 

459
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,560
life that I follow 100%. 
Everybody that I meet has got a 

460
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,280
different way of looking at 
certain aspects of it and I love

461
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,640
that because of the 
individuality. 

462
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,640
But I take something from all 
over the place. 

463
00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:18,880
Absolutely, and even if I 
disagree that with them in the 

464
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,480
sense of that wouldn't fit into 
my practice, I've still learnt 

465
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,960
something. 
So this is the word you keep or 

466
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:31,600
cut garden plants or plants 
found naturally in nature. 

467
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:41,600
Cut the garden ones. 
Next one not magic or puppets. 

468
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,760
Puppets. 
I have to cut puppets. 

469
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,880
Now I'm not sure about the next 
one because I actually don't 

470
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:56,480
know. 
So the the sun or the moon? 

471
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,880
Cut the moon. 
Oh. 

472
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,800
I know. 
And last one, would you prefer 

473
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:13,520
to be solo or community? 
Cut the community because I've 

474
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:20,680
always practised solo anyway but
I like my community so. 

475
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,800
They were. 
Hard choices, Hard choices. 

476
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,640
So, anonymous, which it is your 
turn to be questioned. 

477
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:35,200
So let's see then. 
What would your familiar be if 

478
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,520
it wasn't an animal? 
An Angel. 

479
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,280
Oh, I did not expect that 
answer. 

480
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:45,120
I thought dragon fairy. 
I was going there to go a. 

481
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,560
Dragon is an animal. 
You know what I meant. 

482
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,520
The awkwardness of the anonymous
It's because we can't see your 

483
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,080
face. 
I know you get all. 

484
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,760
You get all sassy and feisty 
behind that camera. 

485
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:09,160
OK, an Angel. 
Angel OK, my question What is 

486
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,720
something in your craft that's 
small but that makes you 

487
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,080
ridiculously happy? 
My inner child. 

488
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,840
Nice. 
I don't think you're in a 

489
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,520
child's that small. 
I think it's quite giant. 

490
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,240
It's still. 
Yeah, I don't think it's that 

491
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,160
small. 
Just putting it out there. 

492
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:32,160
You've got a giant in a child. 
Yeah, it's true. 

493
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,800
OK, if your practice had a 
smell, what would it be? 

494
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,000
Flowers. 
Which flower? 

495
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,320
Which flower? 
Wild Meadow flowers. 

496
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,120
Oh lovely. 
Do you know what? 

497
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,000
I just had a whiff of that as 
you said it then. 

498
00:28:52,280 --> 00:29:00,720
You had a slight. 
Waft A waft of your practice was

499
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,200
something that you believed 
early on in your practice that 

500
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,560
now you would give a bit of a 
side eye to. 

501
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:13,120
There is this idea that there is
a very dark or black form of 

502
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,800
witchcraft. 
And you believed that early on? 

503
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,360
When I was very, very young, 
yeah. 

504
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,600
And I, I think, you know, I, I 
mentioned it with Nixie before, 

505
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,840
you know, growing up in a small 
Welsh town, there wasn't much in

506
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:32,080
the local library anywhere near 
connected to the Craft. 

507
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,480
If it was, it was primarily 
either Wiccan based, Wicca 

508
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:42,200
based, or it was about people's 
idea of what the occult or 

509
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:47,440
Satanism kind of is. 
Was, you know, as a young 

510
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,760
teenager, I knew deep down that 
this can't be right. 

511
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,120
It didn't sit with me. 
I didn't believe it. 

512
00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:00,120
I did question it because in all
walks of life you get good and 

513
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,560
you get bad people. 
Anyway, regardless, in any form 

514
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,400
of religion, you will get good 
and bad people. 

515
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:13,400
And I think, you know, some 
people can use that sense of 

516
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,240
self inflation. 
I can't think of the right word 

517
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,840
of of like to abuse power and 
May and maybe there were people 

518
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,760
like that Once Upon a time that 
abused their power, but I don't 

519
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,040
believe in it. 
Yeah, something you've grown 

520
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,920
into Yeah comes. 
Back to their balance again, 

521
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,440
doesn't it? 
I know you guys ribbed me for 

522
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,480
balance, but it does come back 
to the balance again. 

523
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,120
Oh. 
I definitely, I definitely don't

524
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,760
rib you. 
I think it's just all about 

525
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,960
sometimes things take time as 
well to understand. 

526
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,160
So I think it's valid to have 
views that change. 

527
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,440
And I'm I'm so I cannot wait for
like 10 years time to ask myself

528
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,120
that question again. 
Go what's changed? 

529
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,160
What's changed in 10 years? 
Do you know what I mean? 

530
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,640
Because it does, doesn't it? 
Like our viewpoints get altered 

531
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,920
and not necessarily not 
necessarily the big stuff like 

532
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,720
worrying about dark magic, but 
maybe smaller things that I 

533
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,640
believe now will be completely 
altered in 10 years time. 

534
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:13,920
I think so. 
I think so. 

535
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,280
On that note, Anon, what's a 
pattern? 

536
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,920
A repeating pattern that you've 
had to break more than once and 

537
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,640
you've not listened to yourself 
the first time? 

538
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,960
Like in the Bad man for a 
relationship, picking someone 

539
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,600
that needs fixing. 
No, but do you do shadow work on

540
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,400
that? 
I don't call it shadow, I call 

541
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,280
it reflection. 
I I think that it's a very 

542
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:44,080
honest and real answer. 
I've, I haven't grown up 

543
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,640
thinking, Oh, I know I'm going 
to be a single mum of two kids. 

544
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,600
What what a wonderful idea. 
But I've always had this very 

545
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,320
caring nature to me. 
I've always been the kind of 

546
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,760
feeder, you know, I've always 
been the, the carer, I'll I'll 

547
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,520
fix you kind of person. 
And without me realizing, I 

548
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,520
think that my energy or my aura 
has shone for the wrong person. 

549
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:15,040
And I've not willingly thought, 
oh, I can fix this person. 

550
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,000
I've never met someone thinking 
I'll fix you. 

551
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,160
But in a way my inner mother, I 
guess, comes out, my inner 

552
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,240
nurturer comes out and sees 
something in them that perhaps 

553
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,200
no one else has seen before. 
And maybe I'm going to give them

554
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,680
that chance. 
And I think that is absolutely 

555
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,000
interwoven in my craft as well. 
It's like me working with the 

556
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,640
fairies. 
I've heard so much negativity 

557
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,520
and about other aspects to my 
craft, you know, very negative 

558
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:49,240
connotations with everything. 
I go in as an equal, I go in on 

559
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,440
a balanced ground, you know, and
I think as I've grown, I've 

560
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,040
learnt my own boundaries over 
time. 

561
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,160
But I genuinely feel that was my
lesson to learn. 

562
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,680
And do you think you have 
learned that getting very 

563
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,560
personal here? 
No, because. 

564
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,120
But not. 
But you're human. 

565
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,480
But you're human, right. 
And that's the message. 

566
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,480
Like, as much as you know, 
there's no healed version of 

567
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,800
witchcraft. 
Nobody's there and gone. 

568
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,120
Yeah. 
Figured all out. 

569
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,200
Fuck me. 
There we are. 

570
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,840
We're the pinnacle of you know, 
and that's that's such an 

571
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,520
important message. 
So I can't wait to meet your 

572
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:27,440
next fuck up of a partner. 
We've got your back. 

573
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,560
We'll let you know. 
It's going to be a Viking. 

574
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,280
It's going to be a Viking. 
Watch this space. 

575
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,800
OK? 
Anon, if your magic had a side 

576
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:43,280
effect, what would it be? 
Uncontrollable laughing like 

577
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:44,960
probably. 
Laughing. 

578
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,720
That's a good answer. 
I thought he was going to go 

579
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,000
shitting glitter. 
No, I'll keep that for you. 

580
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,360
OK, talking of shitting glitter,
Oh. 

581
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,440
What? 
Is your most toxic trait within 

582
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,080
your craft. 
I think you both know. 

583
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,120
Oh. 
My God. 

584
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,360
I am very oh, this is going to 
sound so fucking egotistical, 

585
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,800
but I'm going to say it because 
you've both seen it. 

586
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:18,880
I'm very, very good at remote 
working. 

587
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,480
You are. 
Fantastic at remote working and.

588
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,480
For people who don't understand 
what that means, you're not 

589
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,719
remote working from home, right?
It's remote spiritual 

590
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,440
connections. 
Yeah, and I like showing up in 

591
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,679
people's dreams. 
I. 

592
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,679
Like. 
Showing up well Vicky did tell 

593
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:37,040
me about a personal dream she 
had about her husband before we 

594
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,639
went, before we recorded, before
you joined us so hopefully well,

595
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:42,000
I don't think it was her right 
I. 

596
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:49,239
Don't think so. 
You're going to turn up as me. 

597
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,480
Bold and loud, I'm here. 
I am. 

598
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:59,440
Right in my Unicorn. 
So what is So what is that 

599
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,000
called for people who haven't 
heard of it before? 

600
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:04,040
How does that, how does that 
work? 

601
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,840
Is it like layman's? 
I mean, you don't have to go 

602
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,800
into lots of detail, but so 
people understand what you're 

603
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,240
talking about. 
There's a few different ways 

604
00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:16,000
that I like remote working #1 
would be in the astral realm or 

605
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:21,200
within dream working, where I 
work with my fetch and I work 

606
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,320
with my spiritual team. 
I also have a server tour within

607
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:31,920
the astral and spiritual, sorry 
the the dream world and with 

608
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,320
astral, sorry with remote. 
I can be like this now talking 

609
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:42,080
to you both and I will work with
several different spirits and I 

610
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,920
mean work. 
It's a collaboration. 

611
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,120
I do not demand, I don't command
that they do something. 

612
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,200
That's not how I work. 
I'll explain the situation to 

613
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,600
them. 
We'll come to an agreement. 

614
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,800
A lot of the time they're biting
at the bit anyway and they will 

615
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,200
go and do what they can. 
I'm trying to be really polite, 

616
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,800
yeah. 
But The thing is and on 

617
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,800
basically had you helped me out 
a few weeks ago, didn't you? 

618
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,640
Because I couldn't see what on 
earth was going on. 

619
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,840
I was completely blocked up and 
we weren't going to why or 

620
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,840
whatever it was. 
But Anon's workings on this are 

621
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,560
really good. 
Really. 

622
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,800
I mean, you're so good at it. 
You are. 

623
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:21,760
You're so good. 
I was very. 

624
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,640
Grateful not me you have to 
thank though, is it? 

625
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,960
Well, no, we know who we have to
thank, but. 

626
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,640
No, but both of you have got 
like gifts that you don't 

627
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,680
utilize for your own purposes. 
But you're not out there sharing

628
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,760
those gifts or teaching others 
about how to use it. 

629
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,320
So maybe that's something that 
you can think about, maybe not. 

630
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,920
Maybe it is for personal use, 
personal practice? 

631
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,840
And I think sometimes I'm just 
going to jump in here, but 

632
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,360
sometimes, or maybe I'm wrong, 
I'm going to ask or not. 

633
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,680
Do you think sometimes you can 
be so blocked up with your own 

634
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,600
goings on that you can't see 
what's going on? 

635
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,000
And therefore asking a friend? 
So I asked Anon, could you give 

636
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,680
me a hand for this? 
And she's there. 

637
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,240
She's there. 
She's like, Yep, I've got it for

638
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:04,040
you. 
And the minute she said what was

639
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,480
going on, I knew exactly. 
I mean, she didn't even have to 

640
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,240
tell me what was going on. 
I was nodding a way going, oh, 

641
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,600
that's what it is. 
And I didn't even know half. 

642
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,560
Well, no, that's why your spirit
team helped you. 

643
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,920
And Vicky's done the same for me
in the past as well. 

644
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,760
I was too close to something. 
I'm like, look, can your mother 

645
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,880
do some divination for me? 
And you did that. 

646
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,480
And that's, that's the amazing 
thing about community, right? 

647
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,240
Yeah. 
Even though Vicky's, Vicky's cut

648
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:27,520
her community, remember? 
But. 

649
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,880
That's not fair. 
Why the witchcraft space really 

650
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,800
annoys you? 
Honestly, my honest, unfiltered 

651
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:42,080
ansibia is when somebody on 
social media will put out their 

652
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,080
opinion on something they 
haven't asked for anyone for 

653
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,200
their opinion on it, and then 
other people decide it's within 

654
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:58,120
their right to repost a person's
video, be very disrespectful. 

655
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,840
I think it's one thing if you're
a person on any form of social 

656
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,280
media and say, right, you know, 
I need to do a bit of DIY, 

657
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:09,600
right? 
I'm looking for advice. 

658
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,000
Is this the right nail? 
Is this the right hammer? 

659
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,280
And so on and so forth. 
You're asking for opinions, 

660
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,600
you're asking for advice. 
We're not always going to agree 

661
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,600
with people. 
We're not always going to agree 

662
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,600
with everybody's opinion out 
there. 

663
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,200
But when you come on social 
media, you are releasing it 

664
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,040
potentially to the world. 
And then when somebody comes 

665
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:36,440
back and deliberately uses that 
video to be disparaging on 

666
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,160
someone's character, I 
absolutely despise that 

667
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,600
behaviour and I'm sorry they're 
not welcome in my community. 

668
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,840
Yeah I understand what you're 
saying and I think even more so 

669
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,640
in our community like witchcraft
space. 

670
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,800
The whole premise of being a 
witch is to be accepting of 

671
00:38:54,800 --> 00:39:00,120
others beliefs like and and 
social media is so poor at 

672
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,000
showing that side of it. 
I could not agree more. 

673
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,200
There's so many people ready to,
so many witches, in fact, ready 

674
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,760
to pull other witches down. 
And that makes no logical sense 

675
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,640
to me whatsoever. 
Is it for social media? 

676
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,360
Is it for clout? 
Is it for the drama? 

677
00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:21,760
But whatever it is, I just wish 
more of those witches, before 

678
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:26,320
they did that or made judgement,
would question why because 

679
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,240
that's the whole point. 
And we're not going down the 

680
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:31,360
shadow work route route. 
But it is just about what did we

681
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,040
say in the last episode, 
Victoria, I think you were 

682
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,960
saying, knowing yourself, why 
aren't these people knowing 

683
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,640
themselves enough? 
I feel angry for you now and on,

684
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,720
but I know what you're saying. 
It is really frustrating that 

685
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:45,080
people don't believe themselves 
enough. 

686
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,720
I'll tell you what, I find it 
massively frustrating as well 

687
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:51,360
because I have no qualms 
whatsoever with everybody having

688
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,440
I practice differently. 
I have a different opinion or a 

689
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,840
different experience of this, 
but it doesn't necessarily make 

690
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,280
them correct. 
And to push the correctness 

691
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,360
somebody's wrong because this is
how I do it. 

692
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,040
That's just ridiculous. 
Yeah, now we're all angry, 

693
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,080
right? 
Keep or cut, Keep or cut, Quick 

694
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,800
round of keep or cut. 
Then for the anonymous witch, 

695
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:17,040
quick answers. 
No thinking Tarot or Oracle. 

696
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,400
Oracle protection or banishing. 
Banishing. 

697
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,000
Spirits or ancestors? 
Spirits. 

698
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:30,240
Unicorns or fairies? 
Oh no, no, no answer. 

699
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,480
They'll hear you. 
I understand. 

700
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,240
I understand that they will hear
you. 

701
00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:44,000
Speak to me again. 
Oh OK, is it my turn? 

702
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,160
GAIL, it's your turn, right? 
Let me get comfortable on them 

703
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:53,400
bitches of Eastwick. 
Right then, GAIL. 

704
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,000
Yes. 
Why did you choose the phrase 

705
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:03,240
The Witch next Door? 
So for me, it's about breaking 

706
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:06,560
down the stigmatism surrounding 
the word witch. 

707
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,360
I feel really passionately about
that. 

708
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:11,840
And that sounds like something 
I'm reading off of a piece of 

709
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,920
paper because it's something I 
say over and over again. 

710
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,920
And actually my mum asked me 
this question recently, like why

711
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,520
did you say Gayle the witch next
door? 

712
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,120
Because there's just somebody 
who's next door practicing 

713
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,640
witchcraft and that's OK. 
Like it's normal. 

714
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,160
And actually this leans, I was 
in the office last week. 

715
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,200
So if any of my colleagues 
listen to this one specific 

716
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,120
colleague has only just found 
out we've got a podcast. 

717
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,640
So I hope he hears this. 
But anyway, we were start 

718
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,640
chatting and and I said we're 
calling Bob. 

719
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,360
I said, oh, Bob. 
I said, did you know I've got a 

720
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,120
podcast and social media? 
He said, Oh yeah. 

721
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,440
He said, no, I didn't know that.
He said, but I did know that you

722
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,520
were a witch and I said, why are
you whispering the word? 

723
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:56,520
What? 
He said, I didn't think you 

724
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,400
wanted people to know. 
It's like, for fuck's sake, Bob,

725
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,880
I said, let me go. 
Oh, you're gay or oh, you're 

726
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:08,000
like, so I was just like, and 
this is so then I started to get

727
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,320
into this conversation again. 
And this is exactly why the word

728
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,600
which means wise woman or not 
wise woman, wise person. 

729
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,920
I don't, I don't mean to 
categorize it in agenda, but you

730
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,480
know, wise people, I believe 
everybody is already that. 

731
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,360
It's just whether you choose to 
reclaim the word. 

732
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,400
So it's a very long answer to a 
very short question. 

733
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,160
Why GAIL the witch next door? 
I just want to break down the 

734
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,760
stigma. 
I want it to be as normal as my 

735
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,160
next door neighbor, Josie next 
door. 

736
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,440
She's got some herbs I can have.
She's got some blue candles 

737
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:45,040
because I run out of blue ones. 
You know, we're all living a 

738
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,800
witchcraft life. 
That's what I my aim is to be 

739
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:48,880
and do. 
I like that. 

740
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,560
I like that because basically 
pretty much everybody has a 

741
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,960
witch next door, don't they? 
They just may not know it, but 

742
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,960
you'd do it. 
They might whisper witch, witch.

743
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,840
I can't see him doing that. 
Bob. 

744
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,840
His name's not Bob. 
I was just like, for the love 

745
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,240
of. 
I didn't know if you wanted 

746
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:08,240
people to know you're a witch. 
GAIL, what's something that you 

747
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:11,680
avoid because you know it would 
force change? 

748
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,240
Do you know what there's not? 
There's not something. 

749
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:18,120
There's probably some things 
like regularly I have to recheck

750
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,240
in with myself. 
There's a lot of, there's a lot 

751
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:23,080
of emotions. 
I'm definitely, definitely. 

752
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,680
We're having a good day today. 
I'm definitely still going 

753
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,000
through quite a period of grief.
I mean, as I said in my opening 

754
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,920
statement, so there's a lot of 
release work, banishing work 

755
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,840
that I should be doing, and I 
avoid it because it's heavy. 

756
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,880
It's really fucking heavy and 
I'm great. 

757
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,360
Like I said, I'm I'm really good
at leading people through those 

758
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,880
journeys themselves and 
understanding what we need to 

759
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,640
shared and get rid of in order 
actually to open up like 

760
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,600
possibilities. 
I can talk about it all day 

761
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,560
because I believe in it and I 
know it works. 

762
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,480
But when it comes to my own 
personal circumstances, a lot of

763
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,960
that release work that I avoid 
because it would it would have a

764
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,600
considerable shift in me. 
And I think sometimes there's 

765
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,760
elements that I know if I 
release too much, it's also 

766
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,520
going to shed away the stuff 
that I've been holding on to for

767
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,440
too long. 
And that's relationships in my 

768
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,840
life probably especially with 
family. 

769
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:19,800
I don't think they'll be 
listening to this. 

770
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,280
But if you do, what can I do? 
But there's, but there's a lot, 

771
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,920
right, that we hold on to. 
And yeah, releasing some of that

772
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,240
stuff and I do do it regularly, 
but I think it's an ongoing 

773
00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:33,680
process, honestly. 
I'll tell you what I mean. 

774
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,160
We all have something, at least 
one thing, that we should all 

775
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,680
release and let go of. 
And we all hang on to it, don't 

776
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,320
we? 
Well, we do because because it 

777
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,440
feels comfortable and it, you 
know, and that's part of my 

778
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,880
humanness, which I've learned to
accept as well. 

779
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,200
I accept that there's flaws 
within me that are just meant to

780
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,480
be my life lessons. 
But some of it, I guess, without

781
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,200
going too heavy like that 
release work, it just feels like

782
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,720
I'm letting go of what I'm 
holding on to so tightly at the 

783
00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:04,240
moment. 
All of my sadness and bitterness

784
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:08,960
and anger and any part of the 
what we would consider negative 

785
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,240
aspects of myself are all tied 
into losing my brother, quite 

786
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:13,800
frankly. 
So I don't want to let it go, 

787
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,200
Vic. 
No. 

788
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:16,760
And that's, I think that's OK at
the moment. 

789
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,680
I think that's. 
OK, at the moment there's my 

790
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,520
anger coming out again. 
I don't want to what? 

791
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,440
Did that go? 
But the human part of it, that's

792
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,280
a big part of our practice, 
isn't it? 

793
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,840
Yeah, yeah. 
It's a huge part and we do have 

794
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,280
to respect that as well. 
I guess that's the growth in me 

795
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,600
as well, accepting that I'm OK 
holding on to it, but I know 

796
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,680
that would create a significant 
shift and I'd probably be living

797
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,640
in my shed permanently if I was 
willing to. 

798
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,840
If I was willing to do the 
willing to let it all go or a 

799
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,960
van, that would probably be me. 
Van life, van life. 

800
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:53,160
I'd have dreadlocks, hessian 
skirt, just permanently. 

801
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,880
Hopefully none of my colleagues 
are actually listening to this. 

802
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,920
Of course I would never give up 
my real job. 

803
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:04,560
It means too much to me. 
What do you do if you think one 

804
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,400
of your spells or workings has 
not worked? 

805
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,920
Well, I do. 
You know what more often I was 

806
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,520
going to say More often than 
not, probably not. 

807
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,640
More often than not. 
But there's a lot of times when 

808
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,760
spell work's done and I 
recognize I've not put the 

809
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:22,160
emotion, the effort, the timing.
So I will question it. 

810
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,840
But I do just let it go. 
I know it's a favorite phrase of

811
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,480
yours, Anon. 
Let it go, Let it go. 

812
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,040
But I will. 
I won't harbor anything or redo 

813
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,640
a spell because I am quite a 
correspondence girl as I've said

814
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,120
before. 
So if I've timed something 

815
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,640
specifically for then and not 
put the energy effort in, it's 

816
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,960
going to have the desired 
outcome. 

817
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,320
I'll just. 
I will let that go as well 

818
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:50,320
because the other thing for my 
practice is that I don't ever 

819
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,440
put timings on spells. 
I'm never doing anything with 

820
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,160
it. 
So if I don't feel like it was 

821
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,520
right in the moment, even if I 
just let it go because it could 

822
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,400
be a year later. 
I've done spell work probably 18

823
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,480
months two years ago. 
That's happening now, which is 

824
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,400
quite visible. 
I love it. 

825
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,240
I love it when I speak to people
at work and they go, what do you

826
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:13,120
mean you're a witch? 
And I go, well, does anything, 

827
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,520
does anything look like it's not
going well for me right now? 

828
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:16,680
Just just just say it. 
But. 

829
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,240
That. 
Was that was like like I said 

830
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:23,920
about 18 months two years ago 
when I put very specific, I laid

831
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,440
the foundation for that. 
So but I never expected it. 

832
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,600
I mean, of course you want 
everything to happen tomorrow, 

833
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,480
don't you? 
But I know it takes time, but I 

834
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,960
knew I put the effort in. 
But if there was something now, 

835
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,440
especially more lately and I can
resonate with this question 

836
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,160
because I'm so fucking busy all 
of the time. 

837
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,240
If I was to do any spell work 
right now, I'm not in the right 

838
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:45,560
head space unless it was 
something that needed doing 

839
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,920
specifically. 
But there's been nothing. 

840
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,480
But there's been nothing lately 
that needs to. 

841
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,080
But yeah, right now I'd be 
rushing anything, so I just 

842
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,600
wouldn't hold on to it. 
What's something that you think 

843
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,400
people overcomplicate in 
witchcraft? 

844
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:06,680
Everything No, but they 
overcomplicate everything and, 

845
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,120
and the biggest question I get 
is like that fear of starting 

846
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,760
and you know that I'm a I've 
done a few videos about 

847
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,280
protection magic and breaking 
down the barrier because what 

848
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,040
people see is fear. 
There's a fear based. 

849
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,080
Oh, you need to protect yourself
before you do that spell. 

850
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,560
Well, what does that mean? 
What am I protecting myself 

851
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,480
from? 
And when you're very new to 

852
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,880
practicing witchcraft, the only 
thing that you need to be 

853
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,720
fearful of is yourself breaking 
down the barriers to actually 

854
00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:34,160
starting in the 1st place. 
Because you're not going to be 

855
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:39,000
doing insane spirit work or 
hedge walking or, you know, 

856
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,240
communicating with different 
deities. 

857
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:43,600
Or you shouldn't be anyway. 
Because there's lots of things 

858
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,040
that you need to learn and 
understand before you ever go 

859
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,120
down that path. 
And if you do, then you'll learn

860
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:52,560
that lesson very quickly. 
But the overcomplication is fear

861
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,120
of starting at all. 
We put so many barriers in the 

862
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,480
way. 
Just do the work, educate 

863
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,720
yourself, but don't 
overcomplicate it. 

864
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,760
It doesn't need to be these big 
rituals. 

865
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,080
It's starting small. 
It really is. 

866
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,400
But everybody wants the 
excitement of what witchcraft 

867
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,680
can bring. 
And it is it the life once 

868
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,240
you're living an an 
authentically lived witchcraft 

869
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:17,800
practice, it is exciting because
you know, we we all know we have

870
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,360
the power to change anything, to
do anything, to be anything that

871
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,000
we want to be. 
And in the beginning you think, 

872
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,640
right, that means you've got to 
do all the rituals, but it 

873
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,840
doesn't actually living 
authentically. 

874
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,160
Now with me going out for a 
walk, me doing my ground in 

875
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,760
practice, maybe a bit of 
meditation or a bit of yoga, 

876
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,320
stirring my intention into my 
coffee and all of that. 

877
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,640
When you first start, sounds 
like the boring bits, but 

878
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,360
they're the important bits. 
Yeah, they are. 

879
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,720
They're they're the parts that 
they're the parts that's the 

880
00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:46,280
daily stuff in and out all the 
time. 

881
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,720
And it it almost looks just like
a life habit. 

882
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:52,800
I do, you know what? 
I had a 1 to 1 before we 

883
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,000
recorded this podcast with 
somebody I've been working with 

884
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,160
for quite a long time. 
We've gone through different 

885
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,120
levels and I know she'll be 
listening to this. 

886
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,320
Can she listen to the podcast 
where we started to where we're 

887
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,560
at now? 
And she used a phrase today 

888
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,480
about it's just part of my life.
And I said I absolutely love 

889
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,000
that because that's what we've 
been striving to achieve. 

890
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,160
We can still focus on different 
aspects and we're going to look 

891
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,240
at some glamour magics. 
It's not something I talk about 

892
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:18,440
very often. 
Just to say you're which 

893
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,560
witchcraft? 
Witchcraft isn't a crap. 

894
00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:24,120
Let me try and rephrase. 
This isn't something you do is 

895
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,480
something you are. 
And that's exactly where she is 

896
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,360
now. 
You are a witch. 

897
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,240
It's witchcraft. 
Yeah, I love I love that. 

898
00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:35,040
And I think that's that's the 
hopefully what all three of us 

899
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,600
really try to do with this 
podcast is make it livable, 

900
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,920
understandable day-to-day rather
than fear based. 

901
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,920
Yeah, I tell you what, since 
we've been doing this podcast, I

902
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:49,720
have had to break down what I do
on a daily basis. 

903
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,800
That's just normal for me to be 
able to talk about it, to be 

904
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,000
able to say what is it I'm 
actually doing? 

905
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,880
I've been doing it. 
It's not such a long time to, 

906
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,080
you know, put that out there a 
really long time. 

907
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,920
It's just, it's such, so much 
part of of who I am, how I 

908
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:08,920
behave, how my day is that when 
we know we've got a topic coming

909
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,560
up, they think, oh, what is it I
actually do? 

910
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,080
Because I think I'm just going 
around my daily life, you know? 

911
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,440
Yeah, whereas I've been where 
I've been doing social media is 

912
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:21,200
so wildly for the last 18 months
at least I've got used to that a

913
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,720
little bit like breaking it down
because I have all of these one 

914
00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:26,360
to one clients. 
But I guess for you and Anon, 

915
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,760
because it's been lived your 
whole life. 

916
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,360
Like I love that question Anon 
asked you earlier about how do 

917
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,480
you know whether the plant wants
to be picked or not? 

918
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,120
Because that must be really 
tricky to articulate, because 

919
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,320
you've never had to. 
You just know. 

920
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:42,160
I just know. 
And that's such a terrible 

921
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:43,360
answer to give anybody, isn't 
it? 

922
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,240
I just know it's it is what it 
is. 

923
00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:49,280
So obviously you don't have to 
go into detail. 

924
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:50,320
Oh. 
Fuck. 

925
00:51:54,520 --> 00:52:00,600
So it's a bit of a two-part so 
#1 do you work with deities, and

926
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:05,920
if so, have they remained the 
same throughout your pathway, or

927
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:11,840
do you meander and work with 
several dependent on what's 

928
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,800
needed? 
I I love this question because 

929
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,760
it's not something I often talk 
about freely. 

930
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:23,600
I know. 
So when I, when I very first 

931
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,880
started, so I guess the answer 
is yes, I do work with deities, 

932
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:32,080
but not maybe in the way that 
it's portrayed on social media. 

933
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,800
So I don't venerate, I don't 
have like patron goddesses or, 

934
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:41,480
or gods and I don't have alter 
spaces dedicated to deities. 

935
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,200
That's not the way that I work 
with with deities. 

936
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:48,320
So I work with archetypal energy
and I educate myself fully on 

937
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:52,560
what a deity or what that deity 
represents, and then I'll use 

938
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:57,000
that within my magic to unblock 
or bring in or tap into some of 

939
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,520
the energy that they represent. 
So in the very start of my 

940
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:05,720
practice, I started working with
Ganesha, but that was before I 

941
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:10,240
think I was even a witch. 
So that was more when I was just

942
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,760
spiritual and doing spiritual 
activities. 

943
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:18,000
And I really resonated with that
Hindu archetype because of the 

944
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:22,120
road unblocking energy. 
So, and I actually one of my 

945
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,800
very early Oracle decks is 
Ganesha and I love it. 

946
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,640
I still love what that deity 
represents, but it's not part of

947
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,280
my practice anymore. 
But I don't necessarily work 

948
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,360
with that deity anymore. 
And then, and then I meandered 

949
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:41,280
and I went into Medusa land. 
So I went from Hindu to Greek. 

950
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,720
So interestingly, I mean you 
guys can see and I've got on my 

951
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:47,640
window here, I've got a whole 
row of Ganesh's and then I've 

952
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:54,680
got a whole row of Medusa heads.
So actually I've got a giant 

953
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,920
Medusa head as well that my mum 
brought me so and I don't work 

954
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,680
with Medusa anymore. 
That was very short lived, but 

955
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:06,160
it it was needed at the time to 
give a boost, I guess. 

956
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,920
But so in terms of longer term 
deities, and one that I've 

957
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:15,040
worked with maybe now for two or
three years, but again, in the 

958
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,360
archetype of weight is the 
Morgan. 

959
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:22,720
I have a whole thigh tattoo of 
the Morrigan and that fierce 

960
00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:26,840
warrior archetypal energy. 
Actually, I just put on the 

961
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,520
Morrigan incense as well for 
this. 

962
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,440
I grabbed it and I haven't done 
that in ages. 

963
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:35,280
Or maybe maybe that archetypal 
energy came through knowing that

964
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:36,600
I was going to bring it up 
today. 

965
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,320
In terms of consistency, she is 
the archetype that I work with 

966
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:46,720
the most because there are 
three, three aspects to her that

967
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:49,600
I can tap into. 
And then more recently, like 

968
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,560
very recently. 
So like I said, the Morrigan is 

969
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,480
1. 
And then more recently I've 

970
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,920
started not working with, but 
trying to understand, especially

971
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,240
as we were going through the 
winter months, the Kalia, the 

972
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:04,000
old hag of winter, and that 
transition from winter into 

973
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:06,800
spring. 
So I guess there's a meandering,

974
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,200
but it's not like true 
veneration work. 

975
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:10,920
It's not. 
So when people ask me to talk 

976
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,280
about deities, I can do that. 
But I think their ask is very 

977
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:19,400
much how do I work and venerate 
and hold space and give 

978
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,720
offerings? 
And that's not the type of work 

979
00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:24,760
that I do. 
Mine's much more educational, 

980
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,920
historical folklore, tapping 
into the energy of what has 

981
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,680
been, I guess, my view of 
deities. 

982
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:37,520
All of our human energies are 
poured into that deity to create

983
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,760
an energy that then I can tap 
into as well. 

984
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:45,240
Not necessarily a an actual 
being or an actual God or 

985
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:48,000
goddess. 
And I know a lot of people will 

986
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,920
not probably like that answer, 
but that's where I'm coming at 

987
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,960
it from. 
Whereas things like spirits, 

988
00:55:55,200 --> 00:56:00,800
animals, trees, they feel much 
more real to me than maybe day 

989
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,280
or Tuesday. 
I'm telling you, you're going to

990
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,000
be starting working with the 
fairies. 

991
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,280
I know I can feel it. 
I'm not even kidding. 

992
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:09,960
I was thinking that today 
walking the dog. 

993
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,520
I was thinking that today. 
I thought, why is this keep 

994
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:13,960
coming up? 
But it's it's that. 

995
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,480
Do you know what it? 
Well, I know what it is. 

996
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,680
It's because right now and 
again, there's there's two verge

997
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:20,320
that not everybody leans into 
this. 

998
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,240
But Beltane for me is a very 
liminal thinning of the veil, 

999
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,360
much like Sawan. 
So the fair is going. 

1000
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,040
Hello, GAIL. 
Hello. 

1001
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,760
I know they're doing that. 
Maybe. 

1002
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,760
Yeah, but they're also that dry 
ad as well. 

1003
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,720
I mean, I haven't spoken about 
this on the podcast before, but 

1004
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:40,000
you guys know there was a dryad 
following me because the woods 

1005
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:46,400
got chopped down where I walk 
and he'd been disrupted and felt

1006
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,120
protective and I always feel him
and he's, there's a bluebell 

1007
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,320
field there. 
And I posted a video the other 

1008
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,280
day and somebody spotted it and 
sent me a picture in my comments

1009
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,320
of the she they put you're being
watched. 

1010
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,040
And I was like, yes, I know I'm 
being watched 'cause it's the 

1011
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,320
dryad up in the tree. 
That's so cool. 

1012
00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:04,600
And I know a dryad isn't 
fairies, but it is all of that 

1013
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,160
mysticism and like I said, the 
veil thinning at the moment, so 

1014
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,880
something's going on. 
What's the one thing, GAIL, that

1015
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,000
you want people to really 
understand about you? 

1016
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,720
So in terms of what I want 
people to understand about me, I

1017
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:22,400
guess with my craft, I, I don't 
generally I care what people 

1018
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,600
think about how I practice or 
what it looks. 

1019
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,320
Do you know what I mean exactly?
It's like that. 

1020
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,520
I don't give a fuck what you 
think. 

1021
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,240
And I really cherish that about 
myself as well. 

1022
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:37,440
I love that I'm a point, I'm 47 
this year where I literally do 

1023
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,200
not care what other people 
think. 

1024
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,240
I adore that, but in terms of 
the way that I would like people

1025
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,760
to understand my practice, it's 
just that it's attainable 

1026
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,600
because I think there's so many 
practitioners out there and so 

1027
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,360
many new people finding and 
remembering themselves that like

1028
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,960
that question you asked earlier,
like what are people making 

1029
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,040
overcomplicated about the craft?
I want to uncomplicated. 

1030
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,840
So if I wanted people to 
understand that, like it's just 

1031
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:07,840
an attainable way to live and 
harness and work and be that 

1032
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,000
that's what I want to do. 
But in terms of my craft, I 

1033
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,720
don't give a saying fuck what 
you all think. 

1034
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,200
That I what? 
That I talk to my bones don't 

1035
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,960
care. 
I click crystal skulls. 

1036
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:19,960
And I know you don't like 
crystals. 

1037
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,440
Vicky don't care. 
Well, I do care because I don't 

1038
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:23,640
know why you don't like 
crystals. 

1039
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,480
Well, it's not that I don't like
them, you see, that was quite 

1040
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,640
nice. 
It's just I don't work with them

1041
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,600
that much. 
I've got loads around because of

1042
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,640
circumstances, not because I 
bought them. 

1043
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,160
They came to the house. 
Don't ask. 

1044
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,720
They are pretty though. 
Oh, this is really cold by the 

1045
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:41,440
way. 
That's why I'm. 

1046
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:42,640
Holding. 
They're very, very. 

1047
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,600
They are very pretty. 
They're very nice. 

1048
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,720
I just don't work with them that
much. 

1049
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,200
I mean but actually but asking 
you to. 

1050
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,920
But do you 2 care what people 
think? 

1051
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,800
No, couldn't give a flying. 
No, I know, I know, I know 

1052
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,680
Anonymous doesn't because I mean
Victoria. 

1053
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,280
I need one off social media for 
a little while but she is 

1054
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,640
posting videos this week of 
urine on candles. 

1055
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,880
Is that what I've missed? 
You've missed that. 

1056
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,640
Yeah. 
I mean, there's other stuff. 

1057
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,200
I have and I I'm going to go, 
I'm going to have to go on to 

1058
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:13,840
social media. 
The thing is if I go on there, 

1059
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,360
I'm going to start posting, 
which is what I need to do. 

1060
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:20,160
However, I have a more pressing 
thing going on just at this 

1061
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,520
moment. 
So that is taking priority. 

1062
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,440
So I will be back everybody, 
however. 

1063
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,400
Yeah, we're not keeping your 
hostage anywhere. 

1064
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,280
No, no I'm not locked up in it 
in the shed with the crystal 

1065
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,440
skulls and and bones and and 
taxidermy. 

1066
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:39,360
I am allowed out occasionally. 
However, I haven't been on 

1067
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,080
social media so I've missed what
Anon has been getting up to. 

1068
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,920
Probably for the best. 
Ocean or forest? 

1069
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,520
Oh, oh, I'll have to cut the 
ocean. 

1070
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,840
Oh my God, that is so painful to
say out loud. 

1071
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,400
Fire. 
Or water. 

1072
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,480
Fire. 
Oh no. 

1073
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:05,440
Oh no, I've said it. 
I'm cutting fire out my life. 

1074
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,320
Why control? 
Or surrender. 

1075
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,960
I'm cutting surrender. 
I need all the control. 

1076
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:21,360
With regard to spells, are you a
Are you cutting out planning or 

1077
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,840
winging it? 
No, I'm going to have to cut out

1078
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:26,720
winging because like I said 
earlier. 

1079
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:28,040
You need the. 
Control. 

1080
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,560
I need the planning. 
Yeah, and I know my spell's 

1081
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,480
going to work then because I put
the effort into it. 

1082
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:37,000
Summer or autumn? 
Summer cutting summer not not 

1083
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,800
for now though. 
We're just this is how you have 

1084
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,160
it for now. 
No, just keep it for now because

1085
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:46,680
we like the summers coming and. 
The last one, ritual or everyday

1086
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:48,920
habit? 
Oh, cutting ritual. 

1087
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:54,840
Everyday, everyday, all day. 
I don't know if I answered right

1088
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,120
now because my answers 
everything I answered was to 

1089
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:58,240
keep. 
Well, you've just go. 

1090
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,600
It doesn't matter though. 
I people cut. 

1091
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,520
Yeah, I don't think it matters. 
I don't. 

1092
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,640
So that wasn't so bad, was it, 
ladies? 

1093
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:11,000
So that segues us into Come Sit 
with us, our listener question 

1094
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,160
for this week. 
It comes from Michelle and 

1095
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:17,040
Verna, both on my Patreon. 
So they've asked, do we have any

1096
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:21,360
hints and tips for meditation 
and visualization techniques if 

1097
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,920
you have a Fantasia? 
I literally cannot see anything 

1098
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,480
in my mind's eye when I try to 
meditate or visualize anything. 

1099
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,080
That is a right bugger when it 
comes to spell work. 

1100
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:36,080
Have you guys got any tips? 
Say I happen to be a meditation 

1101
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:40,120
guide just in the background. 
Oh, see, we didn't ask you that 

1102
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,120
question. 
No, I've got, I've got a whole, 

1103
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:45,840
a whole thing going on. 
So if you can't visualize, try 

1104
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,800
and feel your body. 
So feel the air coming in 

1105
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,920
through your nostrils, down the 
back of your throat and into 

1106
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,240
your chest and feel your body 
move from where it moves. 

1107
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,040
So does your chest move or does 
your stomach move? 

1108
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:04,200
If you can feel bedding or 
blankets or anything on top of 

1109
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:08,840
your legs or body, then what you
can do is you can just 

1110
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,280
concentrate. 
I'm feeling it on my toes, I'm 

1111
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,840
feeling it on my ankles, up to 
my knees, up my legs. 

1112
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,440
But you're concentrating on the 
actual feeling, the sensation 

1113
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,840
that you're having. 
You could do that with running 

1114
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,440
water over your hands. 
You could do that with holding 

1115
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,800
heavy stones. 
Concentrate it on your actual 

1116
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:30,400
senses rather than trying to 
imagine what you can't see. 

1117
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,160
Great piece of advice and on 
have you got anything? 

1118
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:38,480
The only thing I would say is 
that for me I I find that kind 

1119
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:43,120
of distant gaze almost like a 
daydreamin helps. 

1120
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:47,320
So it might be doing your 
mundane tasks at home. 

1121
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,720
It might be, and I don't want to
be stereotypical with this, but 

1122
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folding the clothing or just 
wiping down the tables or the 

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01:02:56,120 --> 01:03:01,160
kitchen surfaces. 
And it's not really thinking 

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01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:04,120
about exactly what you're doing.
It's just having something in 

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01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:07,640
the background, whether it be 
some kind of music that you're 

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01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:11,640
not really listening to. 
It could be the radio, nothing 

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01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:13,760
that you're paying that much 
attention to. 

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01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:18,480
And we all do it where we're sat
in a crowded room or it we're in

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01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:22,080
a queue, we're on the bus, and 
we're just gazing at someone. 

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01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,840
We're daydreaming at someone. 
And then all of a sudden we 

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01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:28,080
think, Oh my gosh, I've just 
been staring at someone. 

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01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,600
That's and I'm staring at the 
Vikings again. 

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01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,600
My friends, come here. 
Come here. 

1134
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:39,480
But that I mean, that is, that 
is really good advice, really, 

1135
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,600
really good advice. 
And I do, can I just jump in 

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01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:45,880
again and just say you can do 
what I would call walk in 

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01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,320
meditations or action 
meditations. 

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01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,920
You do not need to sit still. 
You do not need to lay down. 

1139
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,920
You can zone out on the things 
that you're doing and you can 

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01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,920
still concentrate on. 
I don't know how, if you're 

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01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:01,840
walking around, how does the 
sound of your feet sound to you?

1142
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,000
Or you know, that again, it's 
that gazing thing that Elon was 

1143
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,600
saying, but just through a 
physical. 

1144
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,720
Yeah, and I've always done it. 
And I know not everybody runs, 

1145
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,440
but running, I always said, was 
my meditation. 

1146
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,760
Because when I'm running I have 
to concentrate on my breath. 

1147
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:18,400
I have to figure out where my 
feet are going to land. 

1148
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,600
So I'm completely coming out of 
my head and concentrating on the

1149
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,760
moment that I'm how I'm feeling,
how I'm breathing, how I'm 

1150
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,840
landing my feet. 
So it's very meditative for me. 

1151
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,640
Not always because sometimes I'm
gasping for air, but but it can 

1152
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:33,840
be. 
But the only other point I would

1153
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:37,960
add, and I don't know if this is
always valid, but like smells as

1154
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:41,360
well can be really meditative 
like which is why we have 

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01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,520
incense, or you can use 
essential oils and things just 

1156
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:49,080
to concentrate on the smell. 
And you know, for me, I like to 

1157
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:55,800
visualize because I can like an 
oak tree or pine, but then also 

1158
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,680
using essential oils that smell 
like that can help if you can't 

1159
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:03,040
visualize it because then you 
can smell like that tree essence

1160
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,840
as well and it can be really 
good. 

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01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:10,040
I, I think what a lot of people 
get put off by, especially if 

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01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:15,160
they have quite a busy mind, is 
this idea of your mind has to be

1163
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:20,440
quiet and it's about actually 
getting to a point where you're 

1164
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,520
accepting, what am I going to 
have for tea? 

1165
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,880
What is actually that smell or I
don't feel comfortable at the 

1166
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,640
minute or what? 
What did she say to me last 

1167
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,160
week? 
Accept those thoughts coming in,

1168
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:35,320
acknowledge them, and then bring
your focus back on whatever else

1169
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:39,160
that you can, whether it be 
gazing in the distance, whether 

1170
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:42,720
it be smelling that scent, 
whether it be like Victoria was 

1171
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:46,280
discussing about feeling the 
actual body in the breath and 

1172
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,760
the materials and the textures 
around you. 

1173
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,280
It's it's not about being 
silent. 

1174
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,200
If you are trying to do a ground
in meditation and you happen to 

1175
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,840
be laying down instead of the 
sheets on top of you that you're

1176
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:00,800
feeling, maybe just for 
yourself, sink in to the surface

1177
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,920
that you're on. 
But do it up or down your body 

1178
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,920
or go up your body and then come
down your body and just 

1179
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,800
recognise where your skin, where
you're, you know, where the 

1180
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:14,080
weight of you is on the surface 
that you're at because that will

1181
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,520
ground you. 
Yeah, my weight definitely 

1182
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:18,120
grounds me. 
I can feel it everywhere. 

1183
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,760
Thank you for listening to 
Between 3 Witches Witchcraft in 

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01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,200
Plain Sight. 
Unbelievably, we have come to 

1185
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,720
the end of season 1, so make 
sure you sign up and follow to 

1186
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,320
hear when we return in just a 
few short weeks because we're 

1187
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:36,920
going to continue with our usual
format. 

1188
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:40,080
But we will be releasing this on
video too, so you'll see our 

1189
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,240
beautiful faces, but obviously 
not the anonymous witch who will

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01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:47,240
continue to stay in her 
anonymity until next time. 

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01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,000
May your practice meet you 
exactly where you are.