1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,400 Welcome to Between Three Witches, where we talk about 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,960 witchcraft in plain sight. Everyday magic lived honestly, 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:07,440 and it's hosted by three witches. 4 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,720 Me, GAIL, the witch next door. Me, Vicky, the really green 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,480 witch. And Mia Anon. 6 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,360 The anonymous, which we all walk different paths with different 7 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,120 levels of experience, but we share a deep respect for the 8 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,160 craft as it is actually practiced and not the dramatized 9 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,240 version that people expect. In today's episode, we ask a 10 00:00:25,240 --> 00:00:28,120 really big question. How do we genuinely connect with 11 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,120 our ancestors and our spirits without the nonsense? 12 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,440 And this question was from one of our listeners on my Patreon, 13 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,280 Diane. And it's such a good question. 14 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,160 We wanted to do a whole podcast about it. 15 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,440 So before we dive into that, how have we all been since our last 16 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,600 podcast and on what have you been up to? 17 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,280 How are you? Good. 18 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,160 Apart from my urine infection, no, I'm good. 19 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:54,520 I know on antibiotics it's blissful, but no, I've had a 20 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,520 lovely relaxing couple of days spending it with family. 21 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,520 It's been lovely. You can hear that I've been 22 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,920 burning the candle at both ends. So I've had a really good week, 23 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,920 but I was out last night, so we're going to have my male 24 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,080 version of my voice for this podcast today. 25 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,720 But yeah, so it might start creaking a bit as we get as we 26 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,200 go through. But now I've been really good, 27 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,080 really, really busy. As always, the real life works 28 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,200 taking over at the moment, which is a little bit boring, but very 29 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,000 incredible. It's very important. 30 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,520 So I need to keep plugging away at it these things. 31 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:25,360 Are going to be done, haven't they? 32 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,760 Exactly what have you been up to, Victoria? 33 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,680 Well, loads of real life stuff, loads of real life stuff. 34 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:36,040 And then on top of it banging out loads of information, 35 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,280 information and illustrations. Been banging out loads of. 36 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,120 Illustrations. Ready for the PDF so all of my 37 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,560 spare times doing that at the moment. 38 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,920 I absolutely am blown away by your illustrations that you've 39 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,960 been sending out. I know anonymous as as well, 40 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:54,200 yeah. Beautiful. 41 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,320 So amazing. And for anybody listening, make 42 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,600 sure you go over to Vicky's Patreon where you can see all of 43 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,080 that as well and access it because it's, it's free as well, 44 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,400 Right, Victoria, I know you've got some tears coming. 45 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,600 Yeah, I've got some tears coming, but for the moment 46 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,840 they're free. I want free access, and that 47 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,480 does come across like it has less value because it's free and 48 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,640 it's that perceived value thing. However, I am really be aware 49 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,600 that not everybody can afford exclusive artwork basically. 50 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,880 So it's nice for me to be able to have give some information, 51 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,600 have some artwork, get your Grimwells going and then I can 52 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,400 stop putting the paid tears in for those who can afford it. 53 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,920 But the free one will always have something there for 54 00:02:34,920 --> 00:02:37,160 everybody. Yeah, but you also put an awful 55 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,480 lot of work into that. This isn't like you say, just 56 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,960 this is an illustration that you've created and put your 57 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,680 effort and energy into. So yeah, it's it's amazing. 58 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,560 And yeah, I'm really proud of you. 59 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:50,840 Yeah. Well, it's a day job as well, so 60 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,360 you know. I wish I could be as creative as 61 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:54,640 that. And there we go. 62 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:58,600 OK, so shall we get into today's topic then, which is connecting 63 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,800 with ancestors and spirits without the nonsense? 64 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,560 So girls, what do we I think that ancestor and spirit work 65 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,360 actually means? Or what does it mean to you for? 66 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:13,560 Me, I think that I, I have seen a lot on social media and I have 67 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:20,560 read where it's this idea of calling out to ancestors, trying 68 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,160 to connect. I think for, for my practice 69 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:29,560 anyway, it's they are part of me, especially the biological 70 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:36,840 link, the the physical bloodline of ancestry, but that also 71 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:41,240 includes friends and loved ones. It doesn't necessarily have to 72 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:47,080 be a blood link for me, but the ancestors are also very much 73 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:48,840 connected to the land. For me. 74 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,800 They are the lakes, the standing stones. 75 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:59,080 They have always been associated with that ancestral presence for 76 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:03,040 me and I don't view it as calling out to connect. 77 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:08,640 They walk alongside me, they are within me and they are part of 78 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,560 me. And it's about, you know, 79 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:17,160 quietly recognising them and showing my thanks to everybody 80 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:23,840 that has walked a path before me and giving them my thanks for 81 00:04:23,840 --> 00:04:26,440 that. OK, yeah, ancestors, exactly the 82 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,480 same as a non or very, very similar to a non. 83 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,160 Actually, it's not the big ritual summoning. 84 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:32,880 I'm going to summon my ancestors. 85 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,200 Actually, some of it is some of the genealogy. 86 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,240 Where do we go? Doing some of the history, sort 87 00:04:38,280 --> 00:04:40,640 of getting to know some of my family line. 88 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,480 But it's not all my family line. It's everybody who walked before 89 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,160 me, my ancestor work. Sometimes it's light in a 90 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:48,920 candle. Every day I have a chat with 91 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,360 them. It's difficult to pinpoint, 92 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,840 isn't it, because it's such a daily practice. 93 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,480 Just having a chat like the candle sounds a big thing for 94 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,400 me. That obviously isn't a daily 95 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,840 practice, but I do very much. I do the whole dumb supper do. 96 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,600 You know, when we were talking about this podcast specifically, 97 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,000 it got me thinking about the way that I work with my ancestors 98 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:16,280 currently versus the way that I did maybe I think maybe two 99 00:05:16,280 --> 00:05:19,320 years ago because I've been going through a bit of a grief 100 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,920 cycle. Like my brother died just over a 101 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,400 year ago. That ancestor work has kind of 102 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,000 taken a backfoot. So it's still there and I still 103 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,760 have the occasional conversation, but much more at 104 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,960 the start of my practice. It was a big part of it 105 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,400 understanding, they say my history, where I've come from, 106 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,760 what what my bloodline looks like and also what it looks like 107 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:48,800 just generally around my genealogy and how that fits into 108 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,440 my ancestor work. But I think grief has taken for 109 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,200 me it, it's meant that I've had to put that on hold a bit 110 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,920 because, you know, I'm avoiding the big conversations with my 111 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,840 ancestors. And I know that I should. 112 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:02,680 And I've only just put up a picture of, of my brother, for 113 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,040 instance, because it's just not something I can lean into 114 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:07,680 immediately. And I guess that might be my 115 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,880 call out to some people starting their practice that they haven't 116 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:12,960 yet connected to their ancestor work. 117 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,240 And that's OK. Like I've put it down for a 118 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,200 little while and it's still there, but it's not as prominent 119 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,440 as my spirit work. So I'm working much more with 120 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:26,000 the spirits of the land and of the energies of trees and plants 121 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,320 and, and things like that. That's part of my practice at 122 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:29,960 the moment. Doesn't mean I'm not working 123 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,480 with my ancestors, but it just means I've got a bit of a 124 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,080 different balance. So it doesn't all come at the 125 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:36,400 same time. And I think that's that's 126 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,040 important as well. And some people don't work with 127 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,240 their ancestors at all, although I would recommend that. 128 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,640 It's a huge part of witchcraft actually. 129 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,800 And again, I'm not telling people how to how to practice, 130 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,680 but it's really important to understand where you've come 131 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,640 from and what all of that ancestor bloodline looks like as 132 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,160 well, if you can. Yeah, I do. 133 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,560 You know what I think it's, I do think it's important and that 134 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,520 it's, this is not to say to people how to practice, but the 135 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,320 way that folklore, the way that folk traditions, the way that 136 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:10,320 witchcraft evolved was an oral storytelling passed down from 137 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,480 passed down. So, OK, I might still use the 138 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,040 recipe for a cake that my grandmother taught me or grow a 139 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,400 plant the way that my grandmother taught me how to do 140 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,200 that. However, she was taught by those 141 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,840 who came before her and those who came before her and those 142 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,080 all the way down, and it was a form of survival and it was a 143 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,040 form of community. Little acts like making a family 144 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,440 recipe is actually ancestral. You know, we don't necessarily 145 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,760 need, I mean, let's, I don't personally believe that those 146 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,000 loved ones of mine, my ancestors and the lines down are waiting 147 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,240 in a big waiting room waiting for me to summon them with some 148 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:55,280 amazing ritual. My ancestors would be really. 149 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:00,200 Good juice I. Need you now Come and come and 150 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,240 come on please. Exactly. 151 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,040 Do you know what I honestly think? 152 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,400 You know, they've probably got heads up. 153 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,120 They'll know, you know, they're keeping an eye on things, but 154 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,320 they're not focused purely on me and they are not waiting to be 155 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,040 summoned. This is just my belief. 156 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,000 And actually, I think if I try to do that, knowing the people 157 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,640 who have passed, who I love very, very dearly, and I have 158 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,920 conversations with them and sometimes the answer and 159 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:29,640 sometimes they don't, they would fall off their spiritual chairs 160 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,679 laughing at me if I tried. What about what about you then 161 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,200 Anon? Do you have like daily practices 162 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,720 or really regular practices that you build connection with your 163 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,880 ancestors? Yeah, yeah, I do. 164 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:47,080 Whether someone would would say they're a practice is different 165 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,160 forms of interpretation, I think. 166 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:55,320 I mean, for, for me, you know, the land holds ancestor energy, 167 00:08:55,560 --> 00:09:01,080 it holds the spirit of the land. As you both know, I've talked 168 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,520 about this many times with you both privately. 169 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:08,080 A lot of my ancestor work is done through my dream working. 170 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,600 I connect with them very regularly in my dreams. 171 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,560 But I think it's important for me as well to have that 172 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:19,960 connection verbally, like what Vicky was saying, you know, a 173 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,120 lot of things have been passed down traditionally, you know, 174 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:28,000 orally storytelling practice with with somebody, you know, 175 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,920 showing you how to do it, certain planting. 176 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,240 And that's the oral tradition. And if it's safe for me to do 177 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,960 so, I will speak to them out loud incredibly regularly. 178 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:42,240 And I will say, you know, hello or, you know, love you to the 179 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,720 ones that I remember. But I think what you mentioned, 180 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,440 GAIL as well is incredibly important is that we have to 181 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,840 connect into our own emotional well-being. 182 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:57,240 For whatever reason, you want to pause something, it's not saying 183 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,280 you're not going to. It's just for now you pause in 184 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,960 for your own emotional health, then that's your pathway for 185 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:05,960 now. And it doesn't mean that that's 186 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:07,280 wrong. You know, you're, you're 187 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:11,560 connecting to other forms of ancestors in different ways. 188 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,400 And I think when we hear the term connecting to ancestors, a 189 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:20,200 lot of us may instinctively think bloodline or some form of 190 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:24,000 family line. And in my case anyway, it it's 191 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,200 not always that it's on a much deeper level. 192 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,880 So can I ask you then, and it might be a bit of a personal 193 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,280 question, but when you say you do dream work, how do you go 194 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,440 about that? Is it something now that is just 195 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,400 it comes naturally or do you ask before you go to sleep? 196 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,120 Is there a certain practice that you do in order to connect 197 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,200 during sleep? Or is it that you just accept 198 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:46,880 the messages when you randomly get them? 199 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,600 I guess for people who maybe have not really thought about 200 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:54,240 dream connections before. Well, if I ask, 9 times out of 201 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,760 10 they don't come through. And that's me and my ego, you 202 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,400 know. And again, very much like what 203 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,600 we've been saying this, this idea of commanding or summoning, 204 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:10,000 you know, for me, that connection has always been there 205 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,040 within my, my dream workings. They pop in as and when, 206 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,280 sometimes more regularly than others. 207 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:21,320 Sometimes it's just that visualization of their face or 208 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:25,320 sometimes it's just knowing that their spirit is there within my 209 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,440 dream world. Sometimes it's that feeling 210 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:32,120 knowing that I am protected when I'm doing my astral travel. 211 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,040 Sometimes it's knowing that they're there in the room. 212 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:39,400 But again, it's down to the practitioner with what feels 213 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,160 right with you and what sits right with you and what is 214 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,120 acceptable. But yeah, I, I speak to them 215 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:50,080 within my my dream state. Many times I connect with 216 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:55,640 meditation as well. As I said, you know, I, I don't 217 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,680 feel we're as they're somewhere else and I'm trying to connect. 218 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:05,200 They are around me, they walk beside me and that's how I view 219 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,200 that connection. They're always there. 220 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:08,560 Yeah, that's that's really valid. 221 00:12:08,560 --> 00:12:11,240 And I think actually just going back on what I was saying 222 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,840 around, it's not part of my practice now. 223 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,680 It is because everything I do is around my ancestors and spirit 224 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:21,080 guides. And when I pull an Oracle card, 225 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:25,280 I'm asking for direction. Or when I'm meditating, I'm 226 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,800 meeting either parts of myself or spirit guides. 227 00:12:29,560 --> 00:12:32,280 And I have, I have met some of my ancestors, which is why I 228 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,320 kind of put a bit of a barrier into doing that because I'm just 229 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,760 not quite ready. But again, I don't have ancestor 230 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,280 altars, but it doesn't mean I'm not working with their energies 231 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:45,800 or giving gratitude for like Vicky and I were talking before, 232 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:50,000 right, just before we went on about age and how grateful we 233 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,800 feel for growing older. And we're not old by any stretch 234 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,960 of the imagination, but actually giving gratitude just for simple 235 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,400 things like that. We're giving gratitude to the 236 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,720 spirits that are continuing to hold us, even if we're not 237 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:06,200 asking them to Been grateful for the simple things is about, you 238 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:07,800 know, that's also an offering, isn't it? 239 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,120 And saying, you know, thank you for holding me up at this 240 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:16,560 wonderful age of 47. I love, I love that terminology, 241 00:13:16,560 --> 00:13:19,480 what you said, you know, giving thanks to them holding. 242 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,320 Yeah, to hold you. I love that analogy. 243 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,440 Beautiful. My brother did tell me though 244 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,320 when he was sick because obviously we knew he was going 245 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,920 to pass. He did tell me that he wouldn't 246 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,320 come and see me after he said it doesn't matter how much you talk 247 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,040 to me, so I'm not coming back. So I will. 248 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:37,840 It's just not right now. But I will get you. 249 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,160 Do you? Know what though, I can. 250 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,360 I will summon you. I tell you what though, my 251 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:51,160 sister passed 02000 and two 2002 and yet I am to have a 252 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:55,080 conversation with her. I think I'm too close to the 253 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,240 situation and that's now a really, really long time ago. 254 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,680 Yeah, I feel her around occasionally when I really, 255 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:05,000 really need her. But that came years afterwards. 256 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:06,560 Absolutely. Years afterwards. 257 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,480 Now my grandmother, absolutely, absolutely. 258 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,640 She was there spot on. Like I've got you killing and I, 259 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,080 I know exactly where my and my grandfather actually, I smell 260 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:16,560 his. I know when he's around. 261 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:18,720 He used to smoke a particular type of cigarette. 262 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,200 There's a lot of people who come into a spiritual practice and 263 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,880 witchcraft practice as a focus to connect with a loved one 264 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,000 that's passed. That's quite normal. 265 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,600 And and you see this an awful lot. 266 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,720 And I mean, I do tarot readings and a lot of the time people are 267 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,600 really hopeful that they're going to get messages through 268 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,480 the tarot, which is not how it works, but to connect to people 269 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:39,920 that they've lost. So I've had lots of deep 270 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,400 conversations with people who are really deep in in grief as 271 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,200 well. But actually, witchcraft isn't 272 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,800 about that connection. And like you say, Vicky, you've 273 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,760 not really even connected with your sister. 274 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,040 And I probably won't with my brother. 275 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,920 And I am OK with that. I know, I know he's. 276 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,840 There I have. I have a tendency to be very 277 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,640 sensitive to spirit and conversations. 278 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,760 And if anyone's seen one of the Tik Toks, I think I actually 279 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,240 captured a voice when I was doing a voice over. 280 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:09,600 Yeah. Remember. 281 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:11,000 Do you remember that? Yeah. 282 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,040 And I tend to be very, very sensitive. 283 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:19,160 However, I do put up boundaries a lot because of sensitivity, 284 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,240 because sometimes one of the people I would like to sit 285 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,120 there, if I'm going to call a spirit in one of the people I'd 286 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,280 like to sit down and have a conversation with is actually my 287 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,320 sister. Another person is my my best 288 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,000 friend. She hasn't come through either. 289 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,840 I think they're just, they're sort of going. 290 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,400 Yeah, we've got you. If you think we're talking to 291 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:35,720 you, forget it. Yeah. 292 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,520 Just like, you know, But that's OK. 293 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,680 It takes a little while to get used to the idea that actually 294 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:47,200 maybe I want this too much, and that's also OK. 295 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,120 So you're probably going to have random Bob from who lived in the 296 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:54,760 house or lived on the land from 200 years ago, 100 years ago, 297 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,680 1000 years ago, whenever. Then you will more likely, in my 298 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,200 experience, connect with somebody that you desperately 299 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,600 want to be the way it works for me. 300 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:08,760 So, Vicky, do you have any ancestor or spirit altars or 301 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,640 anything that you dedicate specifically for the work that 302 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,880 you do? At salon, yes. 303 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,680 Other than that, to be fair, not a lot. 304 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,240 Not a lot because they are around me all the time. 305 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:23,920 Not all the time. I mean, don't get me wrong, 306 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:25,680 nobody wants granny in the bedroom, OK? 307 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:28,480 I'm just. Saying. 308 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,160 But if you listen to the last, if you listen to the last 309 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:36,040 episode, I remember distinctly that a bedroom door that's. 310 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,200 Exactly why, right? Yeah. 311 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,240 So boundaries need to be in place. 312 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,720 Boundaries need to be in place. That's a really valid point, 313 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,080 right? Because when we start doing this 314 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,480 work, people do want to get the messaging. 315 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,480 But sometimes that can be really overwhelming or powerful, and it 316 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,320 stirs a lot of emotion in US. Like I was saying, I'm very 317 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,920 aware at the moment that I'm too griefy to be dealing with some 318 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:00,360 of that. So I've put my boundaries in 319 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,720 place and that protection, not in a scary way. 320 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:07,440 We can say no and, you know, move things aside to protect our 321 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,640 own well-being as well, right? Yeah, and that's actually fine. 322 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,960 Tell you what you can. You can ask other ancestors or 323 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,400 those who have come back, you know, those who have come way 324 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,800 before, when you can ask them to give you a hand. 325 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,440 Actually, can you help me? Can you help me have this 326 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,000 boundary? They'll do that for my own good 327 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,080 because actually I won't be able to deal with what is going on. 328 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,480 And you desperately want to deal with it and you desperately want 329 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,440 to have a good old chat. But yeah, boundaries are a 330 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:35,880 thing. And like I say, nobody wants 331 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,360 granny in the bedroom. Nobody wants to feel that 332 00:17:38,360 --> 00:17:42,120 they're, they are being looked at in their private lives, you 333 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:45,360 know, So it's a boundary. But boundaries exist for a 334 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:46,960 reason. And I think it's really 335 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,520 important to say. But to be fair, the spirit realm 336 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,280 is very different to here, right? 337 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,520 They don't do our sex lives or our toilet, but people. 338 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,520 Do not need to. They won't see it because 339 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,560 they're human things that we do in human form. 340 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,120 Absolutely. I know a lot of people are 341 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:05,240 worried about their having orgies and I'm sorry if that's 342 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:11,720 disrespectful, but I knew people like that and on I knew you. 343 00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:16,640 The thing with it, The thing is with it is, and it sounds like 344 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,480 we've been disrespectful. It's not. 345 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,880 It's it's experience in working with it. 346 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:23,920 And what about you Anon, do you have? 347 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,280 And I guess I want to ask the question as well about, you 348 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,600 know, when we said we ask for help or ask for guidance or ask 349 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,680 for support, it's reciprocal, right? 350 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,960 And there's offering and like the gratitude thing, like I said 351 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,400 it, that's part of my offering practice, I guess just more 352 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,600 broadly. But do you have anything like 353 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,400 ancestor alters, or is there certain things you do as a sense 354 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,200 of gratitude when you're doing your work? 355 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:52,000 If if you saw what I would class as my ancestral altars, they 356 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,280 wouldn't look like your typical altar that we see on social 357 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,720 media. It can be something as beautiful 358 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:04,640 as a photo frame on the wall. It can be the little Knick 359 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,680 knacks that, you know, grandparents have left me, my 360 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,960 grandmother leaving me who which is Silver Belle that is on one 361 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,640 of my main altars. But my grandfather also left me 362 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,040 his ring. And whenever I think I'm going 363 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,600 into quite a difficult situation, I will have that on 364 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:27,680 my purse and whether it be on my necklace, whether it be in a 365 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,720 pouch on me, in my coat pocket or in my purse. 366 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,840 But, you know, very much like wards. 367 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,760 You know, wards don't have to look like these beautiful ornate 368 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,440 glass jars. They could be something as 369 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,520 beautiful as a house plant right by the front door. 370 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:51,080 And you know, there are people that that can't have the altars 371 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,920 that look incredibly aesthetic because of where they're living. 372 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,200 You know, it could be shared housing or perhaps that they 373 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,320 can't practice as openly as perhaps what we can. 374 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,600 And that's me saying that as the anonymous switch for you in the 375 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:09,160 corner having like for me, there are certain personal 376 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,400 anniversaries and dates where in our tradition we will light a 377 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:18,000 very simple candle, place on the windowsill, have the curtains 378 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,600 slightly drawn. And that is our representation 379 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,440 of showing the spirit that you're still in our thoughts. 380 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,400 We still love you. We always will. 381 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,680 And in a way, it's like a beacon on the windowsill to bring them, 382 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,120 quote UN quote, back home, even though I know they're with me 383 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:39,440 all the time. And my gratitude, my thanks to 384 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:46,640 known ancestors or ancestors of the land is to just very quietly 385 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,880 and respectfully speak to them in my own way, whether that be 386 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,880 verbally or internally. You know, with the ancestors, 387 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,560 it's ensuring that I pick up litter on my way. 388 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,880 I'm ensuring that, you know, I don't drop anything with, you 389 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,520 know, me knowing about it, respecting that ancient 390 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,760 landscape, respecting the wildlife. 391 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:14,400 I'm just saying thank you and showing my love and gratitude in 392 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,840 the ways that I can with my ancestors, and that is on a 393 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,200 daily basis. I think that's the thing though, 394 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:25,680 isn't it? Nobody looks at having a picture 395 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:31,960 frame of family members even way back when or inherited items or 396 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,320 even, I don't know that somebody personally planted a certain 397 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,920 plant, you know, and now you have the great, great, great 398 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,880 grandbaby of, of that particular plant cutting or something. 399 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,960 They don't look at that as ancestor work and, and the 400 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,920 lighting the candles absolutely. And again, it, it doesn't have 401 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,320 to be a shrine and it can be an LED candle and a nod. 402 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,320 And that's enough for. Me actually, and it feels like 403 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,760 I'm contradicting myself because I don't do ancestor work, not 404 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,800 specifically, but I also do all the time and today's one of 405 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,040 those harder days because we've got two anniversary says my 406 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,960 wife's mum's anniversary, says my mother in law's anniversary 407 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,800 today five years and it's my Nan's as well. 408 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:17,680 On the same day, my mum's mum 7 years and I've got a candle lit 409 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,040 behind me. I did that without even thinking 410 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:24,240 because that's just part of, you know, just remembering, but also 411 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,840 the whole day has really been sent about remembering and 412 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,920 honouring those people and what they stood for and what they 413 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,440 meant. And you don't have to. 414 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,120 I mean, I'm talking about very specific bloodline ancestors. 415 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,880 But even like you said, Vicky, at the beginning, this is about 416 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,600 our history as from, from witchcraft as well. 417 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,960 And, and spending time honouring what people that have been 418 00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:49,560 before have gone through and, and saying that out loud as 419 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,160 well. And, and talking about what what 420 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,440 was important to generations before, what was important to 421 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,760 our land spirits before, what was important to our bloodline 422 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:03,280 ancestors as well. Keeping those things alive is 423 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,920 also a great way of giving gratitude and recognising them 424 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,280 because they can hear us. Even if my brother says he 425 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,400 can't, I know he can. But all of those things are 426 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,520 really important as well. And I like I said, I may not do 427 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:20,440 it has literally that it is ingrained in all of the things 428 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,600 that I do that's. The thing isn't it, you're just 429 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:27,840 not naming the things that you do and people will be doing this 430 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,480 all of the time. I don't think of a family that 431 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,440 doesn't sort of give an or two old granddad passed, brother 432 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,560 passed, mum or dad did. We're doing ancestor work all of 433 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,560 the time. We don't necessarily name it as 434 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:47,560 that's what it is. Even telling folk stories, folk 435 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,240 stories that have come down through traditions is ancestor 436 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,480 work. But people say how are you 437 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,520 working with your ancestors? And they expect this big ritual 438 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:01,080 spiritual Hoo ha, you know. And don't get me wrong, there 439 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,360 are times where you do that. But for the majority on a daily 440 00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:09,080 practice, it's walking past A-frame and say you're right, 441 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,440 granddad. OK, so signs then, signs and 442 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,120 symbols and how spirits communicate. 443 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,400 What's your experience of this and how do you know that you're 444 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,560 getting those messages and do you know? 445 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,360 I spoke to you about this the other day, didn't I, where I was 446 00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:32,320 leaving you a voice note and I had about two Magpies fly past 447 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,640 me. Magpies for me have always been 448 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:39,520 incredibly significant on a personal level from a very, very 449 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,000 young age. So for me, Magpies are the 450 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,240 messengers from my world into the other. 451 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,440 I do love those physical signs. I do love those feathers on my 452 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,440 pathway. Sometimes it can be as 453 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,080 simplistic as in the summer where there is, you know, no 454 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:03,280 breeze and all of a sudden you just have that gentle kiss of a 455 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:09,080 breeze on your cheek. And that instinctively takes you 456 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,160 to a specific person. And there might be no rhyme or 457 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,560 reason why you would think about that person, but that person 458 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,520 instinctively comes in and I'm just filled. 459 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,160 It's a, it's a separate feeling. I am filled with just 460 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,480 unconditional love. When that message comes through, 461 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,440 you know, I have chicken skin, as I call it. 462 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:37,960 You know, the goosebumps on my arms and I just have this glow 463 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,720 that flows over me and the gratitude that I give back. 464 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:50,120 It's also sometimes that that smell of a scent that reminds me 465 00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:55,000 of my grandmother's perfume or perhaps something specifically 466 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,160 she would cut, and it instinctively takes me back 467 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,400 there. And yeah, I you know, there are 468 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,040 times I'll. I'll ask. 469 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,840 Can you show me a sign that you're there or that you can 470 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,200 hear me? I know instinctively they can. 471 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:13,280 And I'll get days where I have sign after sign after sign and 472 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,560 the more elaborate I asked for them to be. 473 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:20,480 But I think at some point, you know, you have to stop and, and 474 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,360 recognise, like what Vicky was saying earlier, they're not all 475 00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:27,720 around waiting, you know, to come in at your every whim. 476 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,880 You know, there are other things that they're doing, but just 477 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,640 knowing that they're there, that feeling and that emotion, you, 478 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,440 you know, when a loved one is close and it's so beautiful. 479 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,120 Yeah, and it's about understanding what to look for 480 00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:45,120 as well, because I guess when you're new on this path as well, 481 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,160 it can be you're expecting very explicit signs and messages. 482 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,640 And I've said this before, like, wouldn't it be amazing if all 483 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,760 the spirits came to us and just told us what we wanted to know? 484 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,360 But unfortunately it doesn't work like that. 485 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,680 There's a lot of deciphering. And yeah, I, I asked for 486 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,480 messages occasionally and I actually did that this week. 487 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,520 Just needed a bit of reassurance, right? 488 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,360 Just there was something I was asking for and it came in a very 489 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:13,760 different way. So I wanted to find a bone. 490 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,680 I know this isn't for everybody, but I, I connect really deeply 491 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:22,840 to animal spirits and, and those kind of offerings back to me 492 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:27,400 feel like a very reciprocal relationship and I didn't. 493 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,840 But what I have found and I've seen it every single day since 494 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,200 was a dead fox. And although it brings a wave of 495 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,440 sadness and I said to her, my wife today, because we were 496 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,920 walking past, I said I might bring a shovel down and, and 497 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,360 bury it actually, because it's still there I think 3 or 4 days 498 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:47,280 later. I also know that that's a really 499 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,440 important message for me because it's about the cycles of life 500 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,960 and, you know, in the transition from life to death. 501 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,040 And, but it might not be for everybody. 502 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,920 But, and it does, like I said, it does make me feel a certain 503 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,960 way. But I also know that that wasn't 504 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,360 my specific message being answered, but it was my message 505 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:08,440 being answered in a different way. 506 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,120 So I think when we're looking for signs or asking for our 507 00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:15,000 spirit guides to give us some direction, we have to be open to 508 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,880 the fact that the messaging isn't going to come as black and 509 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,200 white as we expected. That's a really sorry that 510 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,160 that's a really important point because I've I've seen some 511 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:31,720 funny videos on on social media. The classic one is I've seen a 512 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,280 crow is is that a sign? And they say, no, it's just a 513 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,280 crow. But I think, I think for me, I 514 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,760 know when it's a specific sign because of the emotion behind 515 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,200 it, because of the feeling behind it, because of that inner 516 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,840 glow that I feel. Or it might be a sign as a 517 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:55,000 warning, a trepidation as well. I've learned to adapt how I 518 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,320 respond to certain signs. And yeah, there might be 16 519 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,720 crows one day outside of my house. 520 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,680 If I feel nothing to say with that, then I know that that 521 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,920 isn't specifically a sign for me, but it's something that I 522 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:15,320 will remember and note down to see what comes my way over that 523 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,400 day or or the next. Yeah, that's really important. 524 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,640 And we shouldn't be walking around all day long asking for 525 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,360 signs. Like that's a really a bit of a 526 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,720 red flag, as I would say in terms of like anxiety as well, 527 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,360 because we shouldn't be living our lives always needing to get 528 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,960 signs and symbols in order for that validation. 529 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:39,080 So we need to a great social media word discernment, but it's 530 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,400 so true and it needs maybe rephrasing for some people, but 531 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,120 just understanding when's the right time to ask after you're 532 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,840 doing the gratitude. You can't just be demanding, 533 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,120 like you said, Vicky, come and help me sort my life. 534 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,320 Like you need to be giving praise, giving gratitude, doing 535 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,240 the altar work, if that works for you, and a small altar for 536 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,720 ancestors, old, new spirits, all of those kind of things. 537 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,680 And then we shouldn't be looking for signs and everything because 538 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:10,080 most of the time it is mundane. I was going to say, it's that 539 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:16,280 mundane before magic, isn't it? Birds fly, birds molt, and 540 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,400 feathers fall all the time. And this is going to probably 541 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,120 put people off and they're going to say no, but it's a particular 542 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,760 feather. OK, well, what birds have you 543 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,600 got around now? I live in the countryside. 544 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,680 We get a lot of feathers. Have I had a feather as a sign? 545 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,720 Absolutely. And it was very, very specific. 546 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,880 Very specific. My best friend had just died. 547 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,160 I didn't ask her for a sign. I was just, I was in so much 548 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,680 shock, so much shock. It was completely out of the 549 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,520 blue. And we had a joke about pigeons. 550 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,280 It was, it was a thing. We had an in joke. 551 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,360 You know how you do with your best mate. 552 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,040 You've got an in joke about pigeons and pigeon feathers. 553 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,000 Now we've got a lot of pigeons here, but a lot of pigeons Do I 554 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,160 think that every pigeon feather in the garden is a sign from 555 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,920 her? No, because they're not. 556 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,200 Because birds molt. That's the mundane of it. 557 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,240 What the sign was is my lounge window was open very, very 558 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,680 slightly. And my reading glasses because 559 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,760 I'm old. I have reading glasses. 560 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:23,880 Hey my reading, thank you. Were on the window sill and a 561 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:30,040 pigeon feather had coming through the window and rested in 562 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,040 between the nose piece and the glass piece of my reading 563 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,520 glasses. I actually posted it on TikTok 564 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,680 because I was stunned. I turned around to my husband 565 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:39,880 and I said, did you put that there? 566 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,080 Because that's my first thing. Did you you messing with me? 567 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,240 Did you put that there? And it was just a few days after 568 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,280 my best friend had died unexpectedly. 569 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,280 Wow. It was, I knew that was 570 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,600 something that I didn't. I wasn't looking for her. 571 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,040 I was still in shock. I wasn't looking for signs. 572 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,640 I thought my husband was pranking me because I was. 573 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,200 So no, I'm going to be very mundane with this. 574 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,080 And actually, that was her just going, sorry, I'm on the other 575 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:09,960 side now. It's all cool. 576 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,120 Yeah, actually there was another message with it, but obviously 577 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,040 that's personal. That's like what Anam was 578 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,320 saying, though. There was an emotion around that 579 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,280 message. Yeah, there's a feeling around 580 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,200 it, like I talked about the thoughts and and the way that 581 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,480 resonated for me and Anon as well, like saying she feels that 582 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,360 spark as well. And you knew like the energy 583 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,560 around that it wasn't just and you'd go fuck sake, check it out 584 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:35,440 the window. It was. 585 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,240 It was meant because the emotion was there yet, and Phil wasn't 586 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,400 messing around, obviously. Yeah, exactly. 587 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,120 And and we have never had a feather coming through the 588 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,120 window before or after that ever. 589 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:51,200 And for it to land exactly where it landed was, I mean, the odds 590 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,520 for that were just ridiculous. But do we get a lot of pigeon 591 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,400 feathers? Absolutely. 592 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,520 We also get a lot of crow feathers. 593 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,920 We've got a lot of crows. So no, they're not all signs. 594 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,120 And do I think we should be asking for signs all the time? 595 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,600 Do you know what we are on this earth to live a human existence 596 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,760 and to learn the lessons. And sometimes asking is OK, if 597 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,760 you've ever had young toddlers who go ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, 598 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,680 ma'am, why, why, why? You can see what I'm trying to 599 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:25,920 say. Yeah, yeah. 600 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,240 Your spirits, your ancestors have told you that you're a pain 601 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,960 in the arse, haven't they? I've been. 602 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,320 Doing this a long time. Yeah, I took the message. 603 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,120 Yeah, OK, I won't keep asking. Yeah. 604 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,960 And this leads me on to my next question, right. 605 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,880 It's like where we're talking about we can't keep asking, but 606 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,000 like our companionship with our spirit guides and our ancestors 607 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,480 versus that dependency on having them. 608 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,920 And it's not unusual, like I said, to be come to the craft 609 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,440 because of grief or loss and start going down that rabbit 610 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,840 hole. But I guess it's, it's that 611 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,640 sensible approach about using our craft and our ancestry work 612 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:12,639 and our connections as a great way to connect and feel into 613 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:16,400 ourselves and not escape from, you know, reality. 614 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,000 Like say we're on this on this planet to live a life. 615 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,000 If you find yourself thinking about the spirit world, stroke, 616 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:29,440 ancestors more than you are connecting with daily life, 617 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,480 that's a red flag. We all think about our lost 618 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:33,560 ones. We do. 619 00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,440 It's one of those things. Sometimes it's a daily thing. 620 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,840 Grief is a thing. However, there is a point where 621 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,440 if you're not stepping into the realities of this human world, 622 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,679 this human life that you are experiencing, then there is help 623 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,080 out there. I don't mean to sound 624 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,120 patronizing, but it's really true. 625 00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:56,280 And I've been through really horrible grief. 626 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,760 And I'm not saying that's worse than anybody else's, but I've 627 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,840 experienced it. And you can find yourself too 628 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,000 much there and actually not being funny. 629 00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:08,120 But if we're talking about ancestor work with people who've 630 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,000 passed recently, they wouldn't want you to be in that state. 631 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:17,880 It's 100% important to experience life, the highs and 632 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,800 the lows, the difficulty, the sadness, but also the joy and 633 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,600 the happiness. And on this pathway I understand 634 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:31,440 at some point my physical life will come to an end. 635 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,960 And for anyone that is still experiencing this beautiful 636 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,960 life, I would never want them to be in complete sadness. 637 00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:44,120 I would want to be able to come back, which I will. 638 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,280 I've already told all my friends I'm going to be coming in and 639 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:54,800 going when you least expect me. But I, I want my loved ones to 640 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,240 know that I want their life to continue. 641 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,480 And it's important for them to have those moments to feel, you 642 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:06,760 know, to feel into that sadness, but to also have tears of joy. 643 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,320 And for them to know from me that I will always be beside 644 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:16,280 them and I will come to them as much as I can if they call. 645 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,240 But I think any one of our ancestors would would want us to 646 00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:26,160 see us living life and being in the moment and experiencing all 647 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,360 of the highs and the lows that life can offer. 648 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,120 This is why we've chosen to be here. 649 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,840 It's not to have a steady path. It's not to have a feeling of 650 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,840 numbness. Being human is about 651 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,800 experiencing all of that chaotic emotional energy. 652 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,920 So how do you guys approach the aspects of just being safe and 653 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,680 considered about this work? Because there is, you know, on 654 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,920 social media, sometimes you can come across as a little bit 655 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,520 scary. And I guess This is why Diane on 656 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,560 Patrons asked this question specifically. 657 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,280 So. So what things would you say you 658 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,600 need to consider when working with your ancestors? 659 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,200 Knowing why you're going to work with them. 660 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,840 Knowing what you're going to ask, I'm being ridiculously 661 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:16,440 grounded and very aware of noticing your own body, noticing 662 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:21,680 how you feel, whether that's a knotty stomach, Do I feel tight 663 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,520 and tense? Have I got goosebumps that don't 664 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,200 feel right. We've all been in that 665 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,920 situation, I'm sure, whether in witchcraft or not, in the 666 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,360 practice or not, we've all been in that situation where you've 667 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:38,840 got that feels not nice. Maybe don't push those moments. 668 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,120 Now, I'm not saying that you shouldn't have some form of 669 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,640 fear. I'm not saying you should be a 670 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,800 scared. But I think it's OK to feel 671 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,000 uncomfortable, particularly if you're doing something new. 672 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,480 We're not always comfortable with doing new things. 673 00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:55,280 If you have got the hair standing up on the back of your 674 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,040 neck, your throat feels tight, your stomach's in a big knot, 675 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,520 maybe stop what you're doing. So when you say grounding, do 676 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,480 you use that as a form of protection, or should we have 677 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,640 specific protections around doing very specific ancestor 678 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,320 work? I mean, when we're walking and 679 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,000 saying, you know, I miss you, I love you, and doing all of those 680 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,680 daily things, maybe not so much. But if you were sitting down to 681 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,880 do some ritual work around ancestor work, what do you think 682 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,360 is the most important thing around that? 683 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:31,320 You are going to open the door to anything very likely. 684 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,040 Now this isn't about being scary, but what I would say to 685 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,880 you is, are you going to leave your front door open in the 686 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,080 middle of the night? Just I am. 687 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,680 Yeah, yeah. Just leave it wide open. 688 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,400 You know my stance on protection. 689 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:46,120 Absolutely. Sorry, that was pretty 690 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,000 sarcastic. We will go into that in another 691 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,680 episode. But of course, of course you 692 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,360 should be protected. But again, it's not about the 693 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,120 fear mongering. But you're absolutely correct, 694 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,960 There are, there are doors opening, aren't there? 695 00:38:59,160 --> 00:38:59,720 So. Absolutely. 696 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,760 You're coming or, and if you wouldn't leave your front door 697 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:08,680 wide open and then go to bed and leave open all night, then maybe 698 00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:12,440 go a little bit careful. Now everybody's going to have 699 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,120 their different ways of protection. 700 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,560 My way will be different from your way, GAIL, as will be 701 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,600 different from and Lance. Do I think lighting 1 black 702 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,520 candle is going to be enough for that? 703 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,000 No, I'm going to lay the protection up. 704 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,200 I'm going to have the wards up and I am going to set boundaries 705 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,640 and be very grounded in why I'm doing it, what I'm doing. 706 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,240 Am I feeling comfortable enough within myself? 707 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,840 How have I had a busy day where I'm not actually concentrating 708 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,600 properly or have I got time to do this? 709 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,480 It's all those things, you know, is the dog going to come 710 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,360 suddenly racing into the room with a bone? 711 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,280 And you know, no, I'm going to, I'm going to find that space. 712 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,000 I'm going to give it that time. I'm going to have layered 713 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,760 protection. And once I've opened doors, I'm 714 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,320 going to close doors. And there's lots of information 715 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,520 about how to do that. But it is, it isn't the tick 716 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,320 tock, right? We're going to light a black 717 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,160 candle and throw salt everywhere. 718 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,080 Well, I feel like this is a really good time for me to say 719 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,000 and I'm using that silly voice because I am doing I do wild 720 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,720 wisdom where I release a long form content video on my Patreon 721 00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:21,240 and on YouTube every Wednesday. And I think in a couple of weeks 722 00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:24,280 time I'm doing protection magic. It's only two episodes and I've 723 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,680 done it before on Patreon, but it's like those 10 steps 724 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:31,440 grounding boundaries, centering, you know, it's not like saying 725 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:32,960 the black handle and throw in salt. 726 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:38,160 I mean time, but protection, magic, boundaries, all of those 727 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:39,440 things are going through those steps. 728 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,240 So nice to let me mention it in in the. 729 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:44,920 No, no, like nice to have a nice. 730 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,880 Lead, but I don't have you ever. Have you ever done spirit work 731 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,560 and maybe had something come through that you didn't want? 732 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:57,560 No. Because you're protected, you 733 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:02,560 know what you're doing. Well, not everyone is going to 734 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,680 be called to work with ancestors. 735 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,360 And I think that's important to recognise, you know, we're, 736 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,360 we're all, we've all got our own personalized practice. 737 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,760 Some people may just be called to do their own ancestry. 738 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,920 Some people might just be called to look at the history of where 739 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,880 they're living or where they're from. 740 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,480 And that's absolutely fine. We don't have to connect. 741 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:32,560 I personally have been connecting with the other world 742 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:37,240 or the other realms from a very young age and there are family 743 00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:41,120 connections that I have built up that rapport with and that 744 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,880 connection with. So I think it's important that 745 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,280 we recognise that this can take time. 746 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:52,040 It is about building up that relationship so I feel safe 747 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,840 working with those spirits and energies that I do when I go 748 00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,760 into a new place. Ultimately, I I normally go to 749 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,960 the same land space when I connect to the spirits of the 750 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,600 land. But if I'm going somewhere new, 751 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,800 I will have my charms on me, my protective charms. 752 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:19,520 I will carry certain herbs in my pocket, but ultimately I hold 753 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:24,480 the consent of who can come near me within this physical world 754 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:30,280 and within the spiritual realm. I will not allow any spirit to 755 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:35,960 come anywhere near me or my family that holds any form of 756 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,000 negative ill will. And I will go into that space 757 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,000 with respect ultimately first, but with reverence and with 758 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,960 sovereignty. And if I feel that there is any 759 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:51,880 energy overstepping my boundary, then my team come into play. 760 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,720 Ancestral work doesn't necessarily need to be 761 00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:59,120 bloodline. It could be, you know, a loved 762 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:04,200 one, a friend. But there are people that are 763 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,960 worried and concerned about people that have passed and that 764 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,960 they're worried that they might try and quote, UN quote, come 765 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:16,560 through and try and connect with them again, Very much like what 766 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,760 I was saying about going into a space that is unknown. 767 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:25,280 It's incredibly important to get to a point in this pathway where 768 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:30,200 we understand the power within. We understand the source and the 769 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:35,520 sovereignty within. And if you do not want a 770 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:40,920 specific spirit that has passed to connect with you, you hold 771 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,480 that power, you hold that boundary. 772 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,360 And if you fully believe that you will not give your consent 773 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,760 to that energy to come through, then they will not the. 774 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,760 Thing with this is, I mean sort of I, you know, I mentioned 775 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,080 before about the TikTok voice capture. 776 00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,040 Now that could have been a mic glitch. 777 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,760 However, it was some very distinct words while I was 778 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,200 talking about ancestors. Did I invite them in? 779 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,720 No. They popped past. 780 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,920 But did they overstep my personal boundaries? 781 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,440 No. And from me they got a nod. 782 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,720 I know I heard you, Alice. You know you can go now. 783 00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:18,720 You've given me your message off your toddle, thanks very much. 784 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,400 Because they just wanted to be heard. 785 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,760 I've had situations where because I have quite strong 786 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,920 boundaries, because I am sensitive, I have been connected 787 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,440 with and people have shouted at me for a very good reason. 788 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,680 I was going to say, I'm not surprised you're asking for so 789 00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:38,600 bloody much, Vic. Yeah, I know, I know. 790 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,920 Yeah. I mean, again, crazy, crazy 791 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,320 story. I was my husband at the time. 792 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,160 This is again, this is probably about 20 years ago, 20 years 793 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,680 ago. It was when my children were 794 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:58,880 little and my husband was ill and he'd been to the GP and it 795 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,600 was on to antibiotics and I had to go into the next town over. 796 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,160 So I packed up my little one, my youngest who was tiny, then put 797 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:12,840 them in the car, went to drive to where I was going and a voice 798 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,640 shouted in the car. And the voice sounded very, very 799 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,040 similar to the one that came on the TikTok. 800 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:25,120 So if you could imagine that voice and it just said turn 801 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:29,200 around, go home, really shouted. I mean, now I thought I was mad, 802 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,840 said it again, turn around, go home. 803 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,480 I'm not any form of medium. I happen to just be a little bit 804 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,600 sensitive and I have very big boundaries up. 805 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,040 But this was shouting at me. I turned round the roundabout. 806 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:45,560 I went back home, went into the house to find my husband in 807 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:51,000 slept in septic shock. So and that saved his life. 808 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,560 The fact that I listened and they shouted above my boundaries 809 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,760 was actually quite important. Yeah. 810 00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,400 So I think that happens all the time. 811 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,840 Know that situation has happened to me once. 812 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,440 I've got a similar story, haven't I, Victoria that I told 813 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,240 you about, which I won't go into, but I think there are 814 00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:12,960 times where your spiritual protection, your spiritual team 815 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,520 will allow that incredible important message to come 816 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,040 through. But whomever is or whatever is 817 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,440 bringing that message and knows your own boundaries as well. 818 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,480 And, and there's a specific importance to that. 819 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,760 I think for me, it is ultimately understanding the power within, 820 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,160 in and, and really believing within your own, within your own 821 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:44,280 magic, within your own power. And you know, if you have to 822 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:49,760 shout out loud for something to remove itself, but you have that 823 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,880 full belief in your own strength, your emotional 824 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,040 strength, your physical strength, your spiritual 825 00:46:57,240 --> 00:47:00,480 strength, and it will be. So thanks for sharing that 826 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,200 ladies, but actually I think it's another important fact is 827 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,600 you guys have been practicing witchcraft for you don't want to 828 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,880 allow maybe 20 years or more, both of you. 829 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,960 So and the experience there cannot be underestimated. 830 00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:16,160 So any new practitioners coming into this, These aren't the type 831 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,600 of things that happen as you're starting out. 832 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,880 You need to be fully grounded and understand and and listen 833 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,280 and work with our ancestors and our spirit guides. 834 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:31,200 It is a reciprocal relationship. So Vicky, I've got no doubt that 835 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,640 you've spent years building that relationship ahead of having 836 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,080 that insane message, right? It's not, it's not like it just 837 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,840 happens. And so so we do need to build up 838 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,440 that relationship and honour and do all the things that we talked 839 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,080 about here. Small steps first. 840 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,880 And I will say I've spent, I've spent a lot of years putting 841 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,800 boundaries up so that I didn't have to deal with it because I 842 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,720 don't personally like it that much. 843 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,160 Not my bag. It's not that I hate it. 844 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,040 I'll accept it, but I have very, very strong boundaries up. 845 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,000 So in reality, every which connects with ancestors and 846 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,680 spirits in their own way. And today we've shared some of 847 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,600 the grounded lived approaches that work for us. 848 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,960 And this isn't about theatrics and we don't want to put fear 849 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,240 into anybody either. This is about no nonsense 850 00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:21,360 approach to working with your ancestors and spirit guides. 851 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,080 So do let us know what you think. 852 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,960 As always, we really appreciate the feedback and drop us any 853 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,240 questions you have because that leads us on very nicely to our 854 00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:31,080 come sit with us listener questions. 855 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:36,000 And this week our question is from Sassy Lassie on Patreon and 856 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:40,240 she's asked what is our favorite spell to cast and what is your 857 00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:43,680 favorite tool to do it? Who wants to take the floor 858 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:44,760 first? Shall I go first? 859 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,040 Yes, go for it girl. So this is going to be really 860 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,560 boring, right? But my favorite spell, it's not 861 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,440 like what what we're seeing on social media, but it's more 862 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:59,280 about my connection to the land. And I absolutely adore picking 863 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:04,000 up stones, working with sticks out in nature, speaking 864 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,960 intention to it. And whatever that may be, that 865 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:12,480 may be a releasing spell, that may be Rd. unblocker across 866 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,960 roads working, but whatever that may be, speaking intention and 867 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,440 then letting it go into a stream. 868 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,120 And it can also be intention setting. 869 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,960 But I don't often ask for big things. 870 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,360 I take that sort of stuff on myself to build momentum and 871 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,720 manifest my own, my own lives. I'm asking my spirit guides to 872 00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:34,320 help support with that. But for me, it's just about 873 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,800 holding a piece of nature speaking or whispering into 874 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,760 whatever that may be at the time, dependent on what working 875 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,800 I'm doing, because I'll always use correspondences as well. 876 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,560 And then letting the river take it. 877 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,040 Why don't you layer it up? Because it's usually on a moon 878 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:52,520 phase. You know me, Moon phase. 879 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:53,840 Oh, is it you? You sort of. 880 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,200 Furby pinch what I. Was going to say on the layering 881 00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:59,040 up thing. Did I steal yours? 882 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,680 You did. I was going to say the layering 883 00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:03,840 up thing. So yeah. 884 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,880 So mine clearly, I layer up as well. 885 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,720 We all layer up. It's not just one thing. 886 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,640 Not just one thing. But I have to say I'm torn. 887 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:18,840 I'm torn between three things. But so I get the labouring up 888 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,040 answer, OK? I love not work. 889 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,160 Traditional not work. You guys knew that I was going 890 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,040 to say that, didn't you? No, I didn't, but I understand 891 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,080 it because it is an amazing piece of artwork. 892 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,120 And I'm amazing. It's so good. 893 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,200 If you don't know about not work you need to go learn. 894 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,120 It's really good. I'm going to your Patreon, 895 00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:40,160 right? I move to my Patreon. 896 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,080 That will be one of the next ones up, a little brief on not 897 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,000 work, not work and poppets, which is actually already up on 898 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,920 my Patreon, a very, very brief introductory for free. 899 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,200 We will go deeper and this isn't a plug, but we will go deeper 900 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,840 and that will be paid for because that's a lot of work for 901 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:59,360 me to produce poppets, sympathetic magic. 902 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,160 So sympathetic magic, really like a good poppet. 903 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,920 I really do and not work and that sounds really weird for me 904 00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,840 being a green witch because you think, Oh no, should people be 905 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,000 about the plants? But I stuff those things with 906 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,600 the plants that I grow from the garden. 907 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,080 I layer them up. I like a little bit of elemental 908 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:21,640 magic in that as well. That's probably my favorite sort 909 00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:25,160 of spell particular whether it be, I don't know, love finance, 910 00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,600 that type of thing. If somebody's asking that, but I 911 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:28,760 don't have a particular one of those. 912 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,240 Social media is so good at talking about justice work, and 913 00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:34,720 it's one of the things that I do the least, but I think everybody 914 00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:37,400 really wants to go Oh yeah, I love doing a bit of painful. 915 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,600 Oh, the. Painful. 916 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,840 I'm not knocking painful because there are people who really work 917 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,320 really well with that. My life is about balance, if I 918 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,920 can get balance, and that doesn't mean necessary justice, 919 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:53,720 but just if life is balanced, there's not too much hectic 920 00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:55,280 going on. We're all good, I. 921 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,920 Have to think about this one. I would say one of my favorite 922 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:05,400 spells now, it wasn't when I was younger, is I suppose connected 923 00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:10,280 to the altar of self. So my own form of of altar to me 924 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,840 is mirror work. I know that might sound a little 925 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:20,240 bit bizarre, but it's taken me a long, long time genuinely to 926 00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:23,080 look in the mirror and to love who I am. 927 00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:27,440 And, you know, when I was growing up, I wasn't your 928 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:32,200 classical what you were deemed to be this, this beautiful 929 00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,080 aesthetic girl, you know, I was me. 930 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:39,240 I was the wild child with frizzy hair and, and freckles. 931 00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:44,560 And I loved my Ford. What can I say, you know, and I 932 00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,720 loved me. I think there were parts of, of, 933 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:52,680 you know, society, children my own age that maybe didn't like 934 00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,680 the luck of me. And I think over time, without 935 00:52:55,680 --> 00:53:00,720 me really being truthful to myself, it knocked my confidence 936 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,440 and I started doubting me. I started doubting my own magic, 937 00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,880 which I am ashamed to say, but that was part of my my growth. 938 00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,520 And I've come to a point in my life now where I can genuinely 939 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,720 look in the mirror, look into my own and eyes and say how proud I 940 00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:19,040 am of me and how how beautiful I am. 941 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:23,080 And you know what? If no one thinks that, then I 942 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,040 don't care. I don't care anymore. 943 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:27,280 Do. You know what? 944 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,480 I love that. I love that you love that. 945 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,440 Does that make sense? I got so. 946 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:37,560 I, I absolutely adore it and it's actually one of the final 947 00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,120 things that I taught on my embodiment course, you know, the 948 00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,960 four week course that I did. It was actually the activity to 949 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:49,600 go away and do this mirror work because it's so key, like 950 00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:54,200 understanding ourselves, appreciating all of our edges, 951 00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,400 the good and the bad, because we need to love all aspects of 952 00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,000 ourselves and looking at ourselves in the mirror. 953 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,920 And that glamour work is so underrated because we always 954 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:06,680 think it's about beauty and it's not. 955 00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,760 It's not about finding our beauty, it's about finding 956 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,200 ourselves, right? Because we are all beautiful. 957 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:17,320 Like that's just a fact. Also, I think being OK with 958 00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,360 being seen, you are allowed to be seen. 959 00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,840 You are allowed to be sovereign, and that's all. 960 00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,360 You think that's a good thing? Yeah. 961 00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:32,520 And I, I think loving self and I know it's talked about a lot, 962 00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:39,080 but but truly loving your inner soul, your spirit, you know, 963 00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:43,800 glamour work isn't about aesthetically looking as pretty 964 00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:49,120 as what social media demands males and females and and 965 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,000 everybody else to have a certain look. 966 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:57,240 It's about the person you are and seeing yourself for that and 967 00:54:57,240 --> 00:55:00,520 loving you. And I think when you truly, 968 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:06,160 deeply and passionately love who you are, the scars and all, 969 00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,800 that's when your magic has power. 970 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:15,160 Yeah, that's when everything comes together on your pathway. 971 00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:19,200 Do you know some of the most beautiful people that you will 972 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:26,200 see are wrinkly, wizened old people and they have got that 973 00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:31,840 spark in their eye that is just amazing and it's beautiful and. 974 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,640 It's an air about them, isn't it? 975 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,760 Yeah, yeah, Essence. Oh, thanks ladies. 976 00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,840 I know you're talking about me, and that's absolutely what I am. 977 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:48,680 Old and wrinkly and wizened. Oh my God. 978 00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:52,000 So thank you for listening to Between 3 Witches Witchcraft in 979 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,200 Plain Sight. If this episode resonated, 980 00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,600 you're welcome to sit with it, share it, or let it unfold in 981 00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,200 its own time. So you can find me, Vicky, and 982 00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,680 Annon all over social media. I'm going to put in the show 983 00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,280 notes, all of our links, so you can go and follow us over there 984 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,080 and make sure you come back for episode 4. 985 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,280 We are going to talk about curses, hexes, and the ethics 986 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,120 around justice work, which is going to be a great podcast. 987 00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,760 So until next time, may your practice meet you exactly where 988 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:18,040 you are.