Welcome to Between Three Witches, where we talk about
witchcraft in plain sight, which is everyday magic lived honestly
and hosted by us 3 witches, me GAIL, the witch next door.
Me, Vicki, the Wheelie Green witch.
And me and on the anonymous witch.
We all walk different paths and have different levels of
experience, but we share a deep respect for the craft as it is
actually practiced and not the dramatized version that people
expect. Today's episode we dive into
talking about curses, hexes, and the ethics of witchcraft, which
is going to be epic. But before we do that, how have
we all been since our last episode?
And Can you believe we're on episode 4 already?
Well, I've been up to lots of builders, lots of goings on,
lots of dust and not much platform stuff actually, but I
will be back. Yeah, I've seen your little
notes and I'll be back soon. And everybody gone.
We miss you, but you know, life score take take priority.
Life took over a bit so. Yeah, but it's been fun, right?
It's been really good. Really, really good.
Yeah, yeah. Tired, really good.
And we're, we're getting there. So it's all all very cool.
There must be something in the air because my work has been
absolutely brutal this week. Absolutely brutal.
I'm still managing to squeeze in all my social media stuff and
keep in contact with everybody and which is super important to
me because I think I need that balance.
But yeah, my real life work has been been really, really tough.
But hopefully I'm going to see the light at the end of the
tunnel with some of that next week.
But in terms of what I've been up to, just just that really
I've, I've got my drum birthing next week, which I'm really
excited about. I've been waiting for a couple
of months for that. So by the time we record the
next podcast, I'll be able to tell you a bit a little bit
about how that went. And then I also went last week
to and it is a bit of a modern practice.
So I don't know what you 2 think about this, but I went to a
dragon meditation session. So it was quite new age
spirituality, but the energy of the dragon really surprised me.
And since then the dragon has been showing up everywhere.
So you'll be very pleased about that being Welsh, but it's not
something I've ever worked with before.
So yeah. So I'm kind of going down a bit
of a dragon energy route and trying to work that back into
the the roots of my practice, which feel much more grounded
and earth magic and and seasonal kind of shifts and how that
translates. Because like I said, it's quite
new age, but I really resonated with it.
It was quite fascinating. But it was also an Avebury,
which is energetically quite, quite powerful.
But yeah, anyway, I'm rambling. But that's what I've been up to.
Dragon meditation. Birthing a drum next week, so
keeping. Up better than builders?
Yeah, and you've got builders and thinking about Kirsten and
Hexen perhaps. Has it been that stressful?
It nearly. Has.
Yes, it nearly has. What about you then, and on what
have you been up to? Well, I love that for you
becoming a little draconian, but they're in the corner.
Nice. I love working with dragon
energy, Unicorn energy, I meant. But yeah, there's definitely
been an energetic shift over the last couple of weeks.
I've I've just seen it, I've felt it.
It's been a bit heavy, people on on edge almost, but I can't
believe we're on episode 4. I think that's brilliant and
well done, GAIL, for doing all the editing in the background.
And thank you so much for everything that you're doing.
Oh. Thanks.
Well, I do do the editing, but that is on purpose, so I can
edit out the bits where I, I'm not stupid.
No, don't, don't thank me, honestly.
But you're right though, the energy has been what?
I mean, we've got Mercury retrograde, which I know I
always go on about. It's a big thing for me.
Oh, actually, I won't even go into the argument I had with one
of my neighbors on the day Mercury retrograde hit.
Maybe that's the next time. It was absolutely.
I was diabolical, let's put it that way.
But that mixed with lunar eclipse energy, seasonal shifts,
it has been a bit wild. And a lot of people have, I've
seen this with a lot of people around me actually just in the
witchy community, especially because, you know, we're all
susceptible to that energy. It's been, it's been a lot mixed
with real life work stuff. So yeah.
Yeah, it's been wild, isn't? It's been absolutely it has.
It's been I I am really feisty at the moment.
I know I sound reasonably calm, but actually internally I'm
desperately feisty. Well, that's something for us
all to look forward to. So while you're in feisty mode,
shall we get on with today's topic then?
Curses, hexes and ethics and witchcraft.
And this is one of those topics that always comes with a little
bit of controversy because different practitioners do lean
into this in completely different ways.
However, from our three perspectives, I think we're
we're pretty aligned. But I guess we'll find out as we
go go down this little rabbit hole.
So Anna, what, what do you think the definition is or what is
your definition of sort of curses hexes?
And what do you think that means to you and your practice?
A hex for me is something that is often temporary.
It's more of an inconvenience, A disruption, maybe something that
you you send to teach that individual a lesson, so to
speak. A curse is more theoretically
potential, potentially lifelong. It's life disruptive.
It can be placed on the land, a person, animals, both of which
have a lot of intention behind them, both of which have a lot
of focus behind them and a lot of energy.
Whether you want to consider doing workings like that, I
think from my point of view, do you give permission to do this
in your practice? And at the end of the day, if
you do, your practice is not up for debate by anyone.
And primarily, if we are going to go down this route,
theoretically of practicing hexes and curses, they are very
few and far between. They are not done regularly and
usually if they are done they are not talked about.
Yes, it's a really good point actually, because our practice
is our own and and that's where we want to be really clear here
that we're giving our advice as it comes through.
But ultimately you have to make that judgement for yourself.
So hopefully we can inform you a little bit of that.
And do you know what I, I think it's the same for me and on I
see a curse and a hex exactly how you described it.
And I think, but there are some practitioners that interlink
both of those terminologies. So they will use the same
terminology and meaning the same thing as well.
So it's good to give that definition.
A curse is a longer, a longer lasting piece of justice magic.
A hex can be shorter lived. And then you've got Jinx as
well, which is just, you know, make sure your socks fall off in
your shoes all day, please, because you annoyed me.
Sorry, I see that all over social media.
I see other witches posts like these memes of going.
I wish that your socks would just fall down in your shoes.
I've never done that to anybody, but it is such a great way to
piss somebody off, right? It would really annoy me.
How does? That annoy or not?
Oh, it is so when I'm walking the dog and if my socks have
fallen down in my wellies. Oh it's the most annoying thing
like a you got a bunched up fuck in your welly.
It's so annoying. You know, that could actually be
me doing that to you. I know, I've just thought you
said you were in a cranky mood. I feel like trying to, but so do
you. Do you feel the same about it in
terms of its definition then Vic?
Yeah, I think curses are a bit more long standard.
They're much more broad justice work.
A lot of it is about justice. And when people feel that
they're not empowered in a situation and that there needs
to be a longer format almost, you know, it's a bit of a bit of
the difference between short content, short form content and
long form content. Almost Your hot, your hex is a
bit more of a short form content, a bit more of an
irritation, a bit more specific and less on the lasting side of
things. And I agree with the non as
well. I will not judge somebody who
uses that form of practice. I have done, I will do.
I'm very much for balance, very much for balance.
So that is both sides of things. That said, I think if you are
going to do that, maybe don't do it all the time.
It's really exhausting. Maybe have a think about it
before you do it and know why you're doing it rather than just
being irritated. Have some ethics that that would
be my advice to somebody. Yeah, and that's a really good
piece of advice. And I think it's, it's also
worth noting if you're big on social media platforms, what we
tend to see now, rather than the word cursed or hex being used is
this justice based magic being used.
And that's especially so because platforms tend to block videos
where you're talking about curses, hexes.
So people have preferred to use justice in place of that.
But it is also a valid way to describe it because again, this
is coming back to what we want to do in our personal practice.
But if we want to make sure somebody's getting justice for
what they have done, and we feel like that, like you said, Vicky,
the balance is correct in doing so, Therefore, it's just a space
magic. And it isn't that we're just
cursing somebody because we are, jokes aside, pissed off for
today because that's not how witchcraft should work.
In any case. We shouldn't be driven by our
emotions. We should be driven, well, I'll
rephrase that. When we've got high emotions, we
shouldn't be driven to do magic on the basis of that.
We should take a level approach and balanced approach on what we
do next, whether that's coming from a loving place or an angry
place. If you're angry jumping straight
into doing hex magic or curse magic or something to do with
justice, you're not leaning into it in the right way.
That would be my my cautionary tale.
You know, anger has a place. It's absolutely valid.
Every emotion we should be feeling and using anger is a
really good energy to use within magical practice.
But when it's misdirected and use them in a practice in order
to feel like we're getting justice, it needs to be levelled
out a little bit. But we'll talk about that more
when we come into, I guess, the ethics of it.
And maybe you 2 do disagree. Maybe if you're angry, doing
some justice, magic is exactly what you should be doing.
I think you can use your emotions in any spell work.
You should be using your imagination, your emotions, your
feelings within it, because otherwise you're just mixing
herbs together, aren't you? When you've been practicing.
I wasn't saying a long time, but actually there's new
practitioners who are really good at this.
Just be a bit balanced, just know why you're doing stuff and
loads of new practitioners are really really good at that.
What I will say though is emotions are a human thing, and
cursing and hexing has been written about and found in
archaeology for a really, really long time.
Look at the curse, the Greek curse place.
Loads of them were found mostly about business justice and love
dealings so you can look those up if you're interested and
also. You've got one in Wales, one's
been found in Wales. You found a Greek that is
awesome. Yeah, in Cairo, Leon, I think it
was somebody. Oh, I'm going to forget it now,
but I think somebody was invoking Nemesis because
somebody had stolen. I think it was shoes and a cloak
and as far as I'm aware it's the only one that's been found in
Wales. I love it even more because
somebody stole a cloak. Like of all the witty things,
like they stole a cloak so they're trying to curse them.
That is absolutely epic. Also, if if people are worried
about how evil as such or what are we do you know what occurs
is evil etcetera. Look at it as justice.
It's even in biblical is in biblical texts.
So actually there are curses in the Psalms.
So if you're interested and you sort of want to get on a bit of
a ramp with it, actually Psalms 109 and Psalms 137 are really
good examples, but there are actual curses in the Bible.
So it's about justice work. Yeah, and I do.
You know what, that's where I guess my education is not fully,
fully detailed. I don't know a lot of the
historical contexts around justice based magic
practitioners coming into the craft who believe that what they
have to do is first of all go into a painful type situation in
order to balance out any injustice that they've had in
the past. I don't believe that's the right
way to approach witchcraft. I believe it does have a place,
but it is pushed forward as a more preferential way of doing
witchcraft. And therefore it can, it can not
only demonize it, but it can push certain practitioners a way
we say like, well, actually witchcraft isn't for me because
all they're doing is hexing and cursing and which isn't true,
right? It's like that isn't the basis
of it. And I went to a witchcraft
festival last year, which I'm going to again this year with
lots of witchy folks. You'll see all that over social
media, but I sat next to a lady who'd been practicing for a
couple of years and we went to a painful magic workshop together.
It was with who was it? I think it was the ginger witch
actually on socials. She was heading it up.
And there's this lady sat next to me and I don't, I don't
remember her name, but she was like, oh, but it all comes back
to you like this. When you do this magic, it's
going to bounce back. And you know what, you know,
like the karma effect or the modern version of what people
think karma is. And I said, are you Wiccan?
Because I know Wiccan beliefs not there's so many karma, but
they believe in that threefold law where it comes back to you.
And she's like, no, I'm not a Wiccan.
And I said, but what you need to start doing is investigating
what the balance of energy means for you.
Because if you truly understand the balance of energy and
there's no good or bad and everything's got cycles, how on
earth can something come back to you when you're doing it for the
right reasons? So she was really receptive, but
she was also very, very fearful about what painful magic was.
And that's why she joined in that that lesson at that
festival, which was really helpful.
But there is this preconception that I guess the Wiccan beliefs
and the more modern beliefs about this threefold law.
I mean, I'll probably let one of you speak about this, but but
what do you think, Alan, about the threefold law?
Is it something you prescribe to and karma and all of it bouncing
back? No, I've got a simple answer for
you. No, no, I've got quite a
controversial I think view on it.
I might be wrong but it's my opinion.
I think this idea is relatively new ish with regards to and I
loathe this idea of are you a bad witch?
Are you a good witch? Black, white, right?
Because everyday magic involved balance.
And I think it comes from a mix of religion, social mixing to a
point. And I would say primarily a lot
of it was from the medieval history, you know, this idea
that magic is evil, you know, working with any energy other
than this one major energy or, or, or God, what was evil?
You know, conversing with spirits was demonized, which has
gained their power from the devil.
You know, it was described as as organized evil in a way.
And when we look at the witch trials primarily, a lot of what
they were being accused of was being for working or causing
harm to others. Not once, I don't think anyway,
was anything ever mentioned about all the good, nourishing
work they did within that community.
And I think in the 1900s, as much as there was this big
religious and spiritual shift that try to reclaim witchcraft
or nature centred, you know, spiritual movements like
Gardener, but you also had this caveat to it harm.
None know this idea that justice or or painful working has
consequences and it does. But I think as much as they were
highlighting witchcraft, again, they also I feel had an
undercurrent within it that said witchcraft can also be very evil
as well. It can be bad.
So I, I think because of that, there's still a lot of stigma to
this day about witches. And we are still asked, I am
when somebody finds out I'm a witch.
I'm still asked to this day am IA white witch or a black witch.
Yeah, I absolutely get that and I agree with you.
And on the harm, None. I don't, I don't prescribe to
her. I don't prescribe to her.
I I prescribe to balance. There is balance in nature.
There is balance within elements.
There is balance. Not everything is all light and
airy. Fair.
Yeah. We all live real lives.
What I do think, I think there is responsibility with what you
do. And I do think if you are going
to go down the lines of painful, I think commit.
And if you're going to commit, do it and take responsibility
for what you do. You know, don't push it on to
other people. I have done this because of this
reason. I know why I've done it.
And when you say you take accountability for it, do you
think it's important when we do this kind of magic to keep it
private to ourselves? I mean, generally speaking,
magic, magical practices should be kind of a personal act, but
do you think it's more important when it's painful magic or do
you we think it's just as important?
So for me, if I was going to do something painful, that is a
large work in and when I do large or ritualistic work,
insurance that is private to me, I think that's the easiest way
to answer it. If I'm going to show a money
bowl on social media, fair enough.
I'm going to show people how to do that and then we can talk
about it. It's not that I'm gatekeeping,
it's just if I'm doing rituals for me personally, they are my
personal practice. And it's really important
actually because, well, any ritual, but particularly when
we're talking about justice magic as well, it's like that
protection mechanism as well. You know, you protect the spell,
you protect the energy, you protect yourself.
It's not just about doing the baneful budget like you say, the
accountability factor there, there's, there's layers to it
which are really important. Yeah, I think, I think
accountability is really, really important.
But that's within everything that you do.
That's just within life. The do I find it different for
ritualistic work or spell work? No, no.
If I go to the shop and I shoplift something, then I need
to take accountability. Can I sit with myself for that?
If I say something mean to somebody, I need to take
accountability. Can I live with myself for that?
It's exactly the same with any form of craft that I personally
practice. And do we think that there's
consequences to our actions? I think there's consequences to
every action that you take in life generally.
That's a bit of a broad spectrum, isn't it?
No, it is. And I I realized how and as I
was saying it, I wouldn't quite because I was thinking about a
post I've seen today from mutual in America about not necessarily
the consequences, but about doing money magic.
And when we ask for things blindly with within our magical
practice, we need to expect that sometimes the results happen in
different ways than we anticipate.
And spiritual practices like that anyway, when we ask for a
message, we don't always get that message directly how we
expect. And it's the same one where I
guess creating a or doing a magical spell or spell work.
I'll rephrase that. Doing a magical spell, doing
spell work. And like, if we're asking for
money, and that could come by means that we're not expecting,
we could lose our job and get a redundancy payment, or somebody
could die and we get an inheritance.
I mean, they're quite extreme examples, but that's how the
balance works. And likewise, if we're going to
do a curse on somebody in order for them to feel the effects of
perhaps, I don't know, we'll use something long and put needles
in it because they're a man and we want something to happen.
We have to expect that those consequences then can come back
and impact us in different ways that we weren't necessarily
anticipating. And I can't think out loud what
that would be. And I'm thinking of a very
specific type of spell work. But but what I'm saying is when
we when we do this, we have to really think about the reason
why we're doing that spell work, what that intention is and
expect the results to sometimes not be how we anticipate.
Absolutely. Because what we're doing in
essence is we are manipulating energy.
It's let loose that is now free to go and do what it's going to
go and do. So I can do that chaotically, if
you like. I can do that with grounding and
with forethought. Before I let that go, I want to
be very, very specific with what, with what I'm doing.
And also that's where I say take accountability.
Can I live with myself? Now see, I would put a clause on
it. Theoretically, if I was to do
any form of that type of working, I would put a clause on
it where I could dissolve it at any moment if I wanted to.
Because I think with this type of working, if I was to do it, I
would have to really take a lot of time to consider all options.
Think outside the box. If this person is the main
breadwinner of the home, if everything you know fell to
pieces, the car broke down, the job loss, are there innocence
involved? Are the children within the
house and how how much of my working could affect others?
So it would have to be very targeted.
I think there may be a point for me where I would get a bit of
witch's guilt potentially. So for me, I think I would
always have to have a clause on it per SE, where if I think
right enough, enough is enough, then I could dissolve that as
and when needed. Theoretically, that's a really,
that's a really good point because then this leans back
into where beginners should be starting or focusing their
energy and their spell work versus more experienced.
Because understanding how to put a clause into a spell as well as
deliver it, the intention and have all of the morals to sit
comfortably with what you're delivering takes experience.
And I'm not saying that every beginner to witchcraft should be
fearful of to making the steps that they feel is just, but
actually some things do need more time to sit comfortably
with us as practitioners. And it shouldn't be the first
thing that we're jumping to when we go, right?
OK, witchcraft is for me, they've all fucking wronged me.
I don't like them. This is the way I'm going to go.
And just as magic is where I'm going to be sitting with that.
And I guess every practitioner is absolutely different, but I
would just err on the side of caution because all of those
things we've talked about, about the accountability, about being
measured, having a clause or a contract in order to reverse
that if we feel it's not gone right, takes experience or a
level of understanding. I don't know, that's, that's the
kind of my view. I'm not telling anybody how to
practice, but actually I think it's really important that you
have that level of experience because you're right and on.
I would usually put some sort of reversal magic within it as
well. And that's why, Vicky, you said
this isn't a small, this isn't a small piece of spell work.
This takes time. It's a big work.
Yeah, and this is it. So I'm different from you 2.
I will not put a clause in it if I send something.
Out you are in a bad mood though, I mean.
I told you I was feisty today. There is no clauses.
I'm putting it out there. I'm just going to, yeah, if I'm
going to set, if I'm going to set something to fly.
And I actually think it is needed.
It takes a lot, a huge amount for me to know or to think, to
feel that that is needed. I have done it a couple of times
in my life and they absolutely were needed.
And was there a cause? Absolutely not.
Justice is deserved. It was needed.
It's done its job. Thanks very much.
There you go. That protection for me, and it
was based on a protection that was required.
So no, I wasn't putting out protection work.
It was painful magic. Did I do that in the heat of the
moment? No.
Did I consider other work? Insurance first?
Was I aware of what I was doing? Absolutely.
Did I think it was just yes. Do I regret it?
No. And that sounds like a really
strong stance, doesn't it? However, like I say, that isn't
something I would go to 1st. I might do a binding first or
another version before I would even reach that stage of doing
it. Yeah, and that's a really good
point, because there is a lot of magic that we can do ahead of
jumping straight to curses and hexes and binding one of them.
Banishing is another. I lean quite heavily actually,
in my practice. A lot of my spell work is about
shedding things that are holding me back, and that can be
personal or other people's energy as well.
Rather than going that fucking asshole, I'm going to do some
hex work on him or her. I will do I, I will focus what I
need to banish or what's holding me back first because it's had
that energetic effect on me. But that's the way that I deal
with my magical practice because I won't jump into Heck's work
immediately. And I will say now, I don't
think I've ever done a curse. I have done Heck's is a few, but
I also understand that they're not long term.
And you know it's not. But curse curse work is
something very considered and you lot you 2 are older than me
and you've been doing it longer than me.
We're old and wrinkly. No, no.
You're not, damn it you're not. You're younger than me, damn it.
Watch yourself. Thinking what do you know what
the listeners? The listeners don't know that
because you're anonymous. She's older than me.
For the sake of this podcast, you'll never know.
But yeah, I don't think I've ever done a curse, but I've
definitely done hexes. Do you do other magic when
you're in that headspace and on, you know, like I said about
banishing or cord cutting, would you focus on your the way that
you're viewing the situation rather than the situation
itself? Yeah, 100%.
I think it's like what you were saying and Vicky was saying
earlier, it's so important to lean into our emotions, you
know, into our anger, into our frustration.
You know, that's what makes us human at the end of the day.
But it's not OK to live there. It's not OK to sit in that
energy but absolutely lean into it.
For me, I would say a lot of my workings anyway.
I give myself time leading up to it.
Any form of working, whether it's for self love or something
positive, I will sleep on it because I'm a firm believer by
the next day I would have allowed some natural time for my
energy to find its own form of equilibrium.
I can journal it, I can discuss it internally about why I feel I
want this type of working and why, you know, do some form of
reflection. Yes, ad hoc workings have been
done in the past, but the way I'm practising now, I would say
I always give myself time to reflect on it and consider it.
It's not a normal everyday thing.
It's a really considered really rare thing to do.
Yeah, really rare thing to do. I am going to do all the other
stuff first. Have I cast a curse?
Yes, I'd love that you stung by your decisions because
absolutely everyone should. And having a get out clause, I
think again, it's that experience thing, not to rub it
in again, but you've been practicing a little while longer
than than I have. So maybe that's why I still have
that right. If I'm if this, if this goes
horribly wrong, I need to I need to get out.
But but going back to do we do it often, it's like we see all
over social media going, oh, you know, you're cursed.
And the amount of questions I get in my DMS going I think I've
been cursed and da da, da, da, da.
I think my ex's mother has cursed me.
And I'm like, why do you think that?
Like you say, people aren't going around just throwing
curses and hexes. And I mean, there are ways of
throwing Bing for shade, which is probably more of a jinx if
anything else. But if you truly believe that
that's the case, like why? Like who's out there doing that
all of the time? Like it's just not.
They are huge. They are very, they're very huge
work insurance. I mean, they don't have to take
hours and hours, but they have to be considered.
They have to be considered why? And if you're going to do 1, I
think commit, absolutely commit. But I am going to do 100 other
things first to rectify the situation within myself and how
I feel about it. Social media is great at doing
all of the the theatrics right and making it look amazing.
I see. I see way more especially on
tickety talk. I see way more baneful work
insurance than anything else. On other platforms, not so much.
I see a lot more around money magic, around sort of insta and.
Facebook. It is clickbait, absolutely and.
Clickbait. Everybody likes a black candle
dripping over something and go, oh, it's a it's a hex or it's
I've been cursed. And actually a lot of what
people think. I mean, don't get me wrong, two
weeks ago I had that Bloomin norovirus felt terribly ill.
And I think I believe I said to you 2 who's hexed me.
But look, I had a virus. You know, sometimes you just
have bad luck. Actual true curse work is big
stuff and not to be taken upon lightly.
And I don't think it's actually that usual.
And I would say if anything, you're more likely to come
across an intended workings, you know, people that might be
jealous that kind of evil eye aspect.
But I think This is why we we do promote protection and have in
the wards because I would say a lot of people would would
probably come across an unintended rather than what
Vicky was saying, like a curse or like a hex, because they are
so far and few in between. But then I do worry about what's
out there on social media, you know, people who are new to this
practice, you know, having access to all of this
information and thinking, oh, I'll just hex my ex then.
The hexing stuff on TikTok is so accessible and people don't
necessarily know what they're doing and that unintended thing.
Well, the most disappointing thing about the stuff that's
happening on TikTok and social media when it comes to this kind
of work is that there's no education around.
It is saying that this is the way you can do a working when
you want to get justice rather than like, hopefully what we're
trying to do is explain the grounded, balanced approach and
the reasons why it is still justifiable, but it has to be
taken with a different level of discernment.
Whereas on social media it's going this is what you want to
do if you want to hex your ex, like that's not why would you
want to hex your ex? What they've cheated on you.
OK, so you want to do a cord cutting, shift that energy away
from you, move on and find yourself a new love because
that's the reality of mundane also of magic and things that
you can do that are proactive, that you then need to work
towards as well. If you hex him, yeah, you're
going to get a a brief moment of fulfilment out of that guy who's
run off with your best mate. But the reality is life doesn't
work like that. So you have to like like you've
been saying and explain them articulately.
It is about that balance. There are platforms that make it
very accessible of you put XY and Z together, you hex your X
because you want to get back at them.
Why even put that energy into them?
100%. Well, I'm.
Not going to put my energy into someone who's annoyed me or who
has done me wrong in a minor instance.
That's that's down to me to sort, sort out.
Walk away from it. There's a block button.
There is a scroll button. I don't need to talk to my ex.
I need to have nothing to do with them.
I can do that on the mundane thing.
And let them run off into the sunset together.
Tada. Absolutely, go for it.
Off you trot, because I'm telling you now, there was a
rhyming reason for those people being taken out of your life.
And yeah, you're going to be upset about it.
Yeah, you'll be angry about it. But don't give them any ants
more of your energy than what you've already put into
something that wasn't. Going to work anyway.
Absolutely. I wholly agree.
Wholly agree with it. Because why would I?
Why would I give anybody who's harmed me any of my energy?
Now, I say that having cast a curse that I'm, I'm not even
going to go into why it, but that is to that was very, a very
serious matter. It was, as far as I'm concerned,
justified and it protected other people that that is not an
annoyance. That is not something that the
legal justice system could deal with or therapy could deal with
or anything else could deal with.
And that was why I put my energy into it.
Yeah, I, I, I think there are different levels for people
which we won't go into about, you know, harm that has been
created. And like I said earlier, you
know, I, I think if, if someone can accept that form of working
and can sit in that working and, and something awful has happened
to them and that's what they want to do, then I, I will not
judge that person for doing that.
No, and that's really important actually, because there isn't
any judging and everybody is entitled to practice exactly how
they want to practice. I guess just from a personal
perspective for me, my empowerment and being a witch is
also about understanding my own emotions and how I can, I guess
shape my own reality to some extent and the the
inconveniences of life. Or, you know, I had an argument
with my neighbor about parking. He was a completely he was
completely out of order. He was completely wrong.
But I'm never going to hex the guy one I'm going to step back
and go, shit, I shouldn't have behaved that way.
What has made me react? I know what it was.
I got my it was to do with my son.
So instinctively all of my emotions came to the surface. 2
That poor older gentleman has been set on his emotions for
ages. Me hexing him isn't going to
change a thing apart from inflate the situation.
He needs to deal with his emotions.
And anyway I'm I'm going off on a tangent a bit but there's
there's mundane things that happen every single day.
Our ex is dumb person or we get cheated on, we get have a row
with somebody in the street. But all of that doesn't require
a huge amount of our energetic resources to then direct justice
magic towards it. But equally, for those that feel
like that is the way that they want to perform their magic, I
don't judge that either. And I'm always really open and
interested to see how people practice as well.
But just for me, from a personal perspective, the empowerment for
me coming to understand how I can then understand my emotions
more fully, do things in the mundane that help me be a better
a better witch and a better person.
But also any magical practices that I need to do in order to
understand why my emotions may be impacting certain situations.
Not always hexing. Yes, I will work that way, but
it's so rare. So, so rare.
I am more likely to go and plant a plant and go and deal with
myself. But is it a poisonous plant?
Well, we're not. Most of what I grow is.
Comes the Belladonna. I'm not hexing.
What are you on about? This isn't a hex.
This is a beautiful. Plant.
This is really. Helps them in your teeth.
It's I would rather deal with me on a balanced side of things.
I don't want to spend my life thinking about all of that.
I'd rather go and I don't know, plants and vegetables that I can
share with my neighbors. In all seriousness, I'm not a
love and light person because I'm a balanced person, but I do
air on the side of kindness and trying to understand other
people with empathy. There are some people who just
require that not to happen to them.
So in reality, every witch approaches curses, hexes and the
ethics differently. Today we've shared some
grounded, lived perspectives without the theatrics, and
hopefully without the fear. And definitely without the
nonsense. So let us know what you think.
And as always, drop any questions you have.
And that leads us onto our Come Sit with Us segment where this
week we've got a question from Emily on my Patreon.
And she's asked the question about how do we find balance
between work and belief? Because she's trying to be more
calm, but often finds that work impedes that.
So what do we do to cope with our spiritual side and our
witchy side versus our work and our mundane life?
Yeah. The last two weeks have been
absolutely hectic, Absolutely hectic.
How have I fitted it in? I haven't made time specifically
for any really big work insurance.
So I have stuck with the little stuff, stirring the coffee,
making sure I'm looking after myself.
Do you know what life does? Life.
It gets absolutely blooming hectic and it's that lived.
This is a terrible answer. It's the lived practice thing
that I'm doing it on a daily basis.
That isn't a terrible answer because we we did cover that in
a previous podcast. But I think the reality is with
this kind of question, it leans back into witches or new
practitioners or any practitioner.
I'm not trying to pigeonhole anybody, but it's believing that
you have to be a witch 100% of the time.
And we're always walking around being spiritual and doing
everything witchy all of the blooming time.
But actually, that's not how this human existence works.
Our witchcraft is part of who we are, how we move, how we drink
our coffee, the clothes I put on every day, the jewelry I pick.
So when we're trying to find that balance between work and
belief, I always believe. But then I always work too.
So my belief, I'll, I'll just come back to it.
It may be a day, it may be at the end of the day, it might be
in the morning, but it might be two weeks later after I'm just
about to hex my scaffolders. Scaffolders because they won't
leave my house. Is that right, Vicky?
Don't we? Absolutely, when they start.
Just give them a jinx where the sock falls down in their shoe
because it isn't, well, annoying, I mean.
Clearly because I hate, because. Clearly because I curse people.
Yeah. No, no, this is the thing.
Look, life does its thing and life is annoying and life takes
up a lot of time. Some of the time it can really
get in the way. But it's the little things.
It is the little things. There's a little daily practice
things that you can sort of say, actually, I'm going to stir my
coffee this way today, or I don't know.
I'm going to go and just look at that flower for two minutes
amongst the dust and the debris and all the hideousness.
It's difficult because it is just who I am, so it's difficult
for me to try and answer, but it's OK to not be witchy the
whole time. Does that make sense?
Yeah, it does. It does.
What about you, Anon? How do you find the balance?
Oh. I'm witchy all the time, man,
nothing's stopping me. No, I guess I have learned over
the years work can be heavy at times.
And when I leave that doorway in work or when I'm commuting, that
is my time when I am mentally switching off from work.
And I allow myself to do that. I think it's understanding.
Like for me and my practice magic is interwoven within my my
day-to-day living. And you know, I work full time.
I'm a single mum of two. I'm a carer.
I listen to my body first, but a practice that looks, you know,
quote UN quote simple is not less powerful or potent.
You know, yeah, there might be times where I can do more of a
ritualistic form of working where I do have the time and the
energy to collect the items that I need, etcetera.
However for me a conversation with the spirits, a small lit
tea light is just as powerful. Or small axe throughout the day.
You know breath work, cleansing by washing your hands or
noticing nature. To me all of that is part of my
magical practice. I think my main 1 is when I
leave work I have mentally left work.
You're right, it's not only is it just part of who I am, but I
I've had a particularly hard week this week.
But when I find I'm stressed or there's too much going on, my
witchcraft is the thing that brings me back to center.
So I can always, I can always lean into that when it's a
stressful conversation or I've had a really, really tough
meeting. I just take 2 seconds.
It doesn't take a lot. And it's just recentering,
regrounding, lighting a tea light, putting on some incense,
talking to one of my plants. I'll have to tell you about this
in next week's episode, but one of my plants died this week.
Oh no. Well, the energy was sucky, so
it gave it taken its brunt and I wasn't giving the the nice
energy back and it took all the bad energy.
So it's my own fault. So but those type of things is
what I come back to time and time again.
Work stressful. I can look at my ring and I know
that I put on a ring full confidence today.
So if I'm feeling like I'm not, you know, holding my own in a
meeting, I can just hold that for a second and it's on my
body. So it's just part of my entire
being. I've got something on me, or
around me, or I am and I come back to myself, or I breathe,
or. I was just wondering how about,
you know, perhaps where that question has come from and we
have had similar questions. Do you think that some people
view magical practice as a very something that's very different,
very specific, very shifted out of a normal day-to-day living?
Do like, do you think people they were as I'd have to
alienate it from my day-to-day world?
You know, I know that was exactly what I was going to say.
Yeah, not necessarily in those words, but that was the
sentiment of what I was going to say.
It's, it's easy for us to say, well, we just live it.
But if you're new and you're trying to take notice of what
you're doing, well, where do I find time to do that?
Because I need to do this breath work and it's going to take half
an hour. And, and we're, I think so used
to doing it, we can do it in a split second because we're used
to doing it. So I think my advice would be
take 3 breaths over the, you've had a terrible time in the
office, go to the coffee room, put your feet on the ground,
relax your shoulders. Take 3 deep breaths right into
your stomach. It takes a split second and
there isn't. And then notice what your body
is doing. But what it's actually doing is
it's grounding you and it's getting you used to doing these
things on a daily basis. A daily practice that we
actually do on a daily basis isn't giant, massive stuff, and
we're trying to demystify what we're actually doing.
What counts as witchcraft? And that might be, that might be
the other, the other reason that this question was asked, right?
It's like what witchcraft is a separate thing and it's not it's
part of your everyday. You've just got to blend it in,
however it works for you. And breathing is such a it's not
a new age. It's, it's a fundamental part of
what we do. And breathing and coming back to
ourself and grounding just resenters us.
And like you say, you can feel into it, but equally, it's like
all of the little things. So don't try and don't try and
separate the two. Thank you for listening to
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