1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,160 Welcome to Between Three Witches, where we talk about 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,880 witchcraft in plain sight, which is everyday magic lived honestly 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,480 and hosted by us 3 witches, me GAIL, the witch next door. 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,400 Me, Vicki, the Wheelie Green witch. 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,960 And me and on the anonymous witch. 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,760 We all walk different paths and have different levels of 7 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,680 experience, but we share a deep respect for the craft as it is 8 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,800 actually practiced and not the dramatized version that people 9 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,280 expect. Today's episode we dive into 10 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,200 talking about curses, hexes, and the ethics of witchcraft, which 11 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,960 is going to be epic. But before we do that, how have 12 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:34,800 we all been since our last episode? 13 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,000 And Can you believe we're on episode 4 already? 14 00:00:37,160 --> 00:00:40,520 Well, I've been up to lots of builders, lots of goings on, 15 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:45,960 lots of dust and not much platform stuff actually, but I 16 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:47,920 will be back. Yeah, I've seen your little 17 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:49,720 notes and I'll be back soon. And everybody gone. 18 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,400 We miss you, but you know, life score take take priority. 19 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,920 Life took over a bit so. Yeah, but it's been fun, right? 20 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,320 It's been really good. Really, really good. 21 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,480 Yeah, yeah. Tired, really good. 22 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,760 And we're, we're getting there. So it's all all very cool. 23 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:06,560 There must be something in the air because my work has been 24 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,760 absolutely brutal this week. Absolutely brutal. 25 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,920 I'm still managing to squeeze in all my social media stuff and 26 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:18,040 keep in contact with everybody and which is super important to 27 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:19,600 me because I think I need that balance. 28 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,800 But yeah, my real life work has been been really, really tough. 29 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,120 But hopefully I'm going to see the light at the end of the 30 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:26,640 tunnel with some of that next week. 31 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,160 But in terms of what I've been up to, just just that really 32 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,560 I've, I've got my drum birthing next week, which I'm really 33 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,640 excited about. I've been waiting for a couple 34 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,560 of months for that. So by the time we record the 35 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,320 next podcast, I'll be able to tell you a bit a little bit 36 00:01:39,320 --> 00:01:42,880 about how that went. And then I also went last week 37 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,400 to and it is a bit of a modern practice. 38 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,040 So I don't know what you 2 think about this, but I went to a 39 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:52,280 dragon meditation session. So it was quite new age 40 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,560 spirituality, but the energy of the dragon really surprised me. 41 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,440 And since then the dragon has been showing up everywhere. 42 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,800 So you'll be very pleased about that being Welsh, but it's not 43 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,320 something I've ever worked with before. 44 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,479 So yeah. So I'm kind of going down a bit 45 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:12,520 of a dragon energy route and trying to work that back into 46 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,280 the the roots of my practice, which feel much more grounded 47 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,320 and earth magic and and seasonal kind of shifts and how that 48 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,160 translates. Because like I said, it's quite 49 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,240 new age, but I really resonated with it. 50 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,280 It was quite fascinating. But it was also an Avebury, 51 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,040 which is energetically quite, quite powerful. 52 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,600 But yeah, anyway, I'm rambling. But that's what I've been up to. 53 00:02:34,920 --> 00:02:37,840 Dragon meditation. Birthing a drum next week, so 54 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,000 keeping. Up better than builders? 55 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,840 Yeah, and you've got builders and thinking about Kirsten and 56 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,120 Hexen perhaps. Has it been that stressful? 57 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:47,720 It nearly. Has. 58 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,280 Yes, it nearly has. What about you then, and on what 59 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,560 have you been up to? Well, I love that for you 60 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,880 becoming a little draconian, but they're in the corner. 61 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,880 Nice. I love working with dragon 62 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:07,360 energy, Unicorn energy, I meant. But yeah, there's definitely 63 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,520 been an energetic shift over the last couple of weeks. 64 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,520 I've I've just seen it, I've felt it. 65 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:19,960 It's been a bit heavy, people on on edge almost, but I can't 66 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,920 believe we're on episode 4. I think that's brilliant and 67 00:03:22,920 --> 00:03:27,400 well done, GAIL, for doing all the editing in the background. 68 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,400 And thank you so much for everything that you're doing. 69 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:32,680 Oh. Thanks. 70 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,960 Well, I do do the editing, but that is on purpose, so I can 71 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:40,240 edit out the bits where I, I'm not stupid. 72 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,800 No, don't, don't thank me, honestly. 73 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,880 But you're right though, the energy has been what? 74 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,040 I mean, we've got Mercury retrograde, which I know I 75 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,240 always go on about. It's a big thing for me. 76 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,280 Oh, actually, I won't even go into the argument I had with one 77 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,880 of my neighbors on the day Mercury retrograde hit. 78 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,480 Maybe that's the next time. It was absolutely. 79 00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:01,800 I was diabolical, let's put it that way. 80 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:07,040 But that mixed with lunar eclipse energy, seasonal shifts, 81 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,760 it has been a bit wild. And a lot of people have, I've 82 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,640 seen this with a lot of people around me actually just in the 83 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,440 witchy community, especially because, you know, we're all 84 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,120 susceptible to that energy. It's been, it's been a lot mixed 85 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:21,920 with real life work stuff. So yeah. 86 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,760 Yeah, it's been wild, isn't? It's been absolutely it has. 87 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,280 It's been I I am really feisty at the moment. 88 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,440 I know I sound reasonably calm, but actually internally I'm 89 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,080 desperately feisty. Well, that's something for us 90 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,720 all to look forward to. So while you're in feisty mode, 91 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,720 shall we get on with today's topic then? 92 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,640 Curses, hexes and ethics and witchcraft. 93 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,080 And this is one of those topics that always comes with a little 94 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,840 bit of controversy because different practitioners do lean 95 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:51,520 into this in completely different ways. 96 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,640 However, from our three perspectives, I think we're 97 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,880 we're pretty aligned. But I guess we'll find out as we 98 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,080 go go down this little rabbit hole. 99 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,680 So Anna, what, what do you think the definition is or what is 100 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,120 your definition of sort of curses hexes? 101 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,440 And what do you think that means to you and your practice? 102 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:14,000 A hex for me is something that is often temporary. 103 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:20,680 It's more of an inconvenience, A disruption, maybe something that 104 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:25,960 you you send to teach that individual a lesson, so to 105 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,720 speak. A curse is more theoretically 106 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,920 potential, potentially lifelong. It's life disruptive. 107 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:42,720 It can be placed on the land, a person, animals, both of which 108 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:47,480 have a lot of intention behind them, both of which have a lot 109 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:52,120 of focus behind them and a lot of energy. 110 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:00,560 Whether you want to consider doing workings like that, I 111 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:05,520 think from my point of view, do you give permission to do this 112 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,120 in your practice? And at the end of the day, if 113 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:12,600 you do, your practice is not up for debate by anyone. 114 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,240 And primarily, if we are going to go down this route, 115 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:21,440 theoretically of practicing hexes and curses, they are very 116 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:26,600 few and far between. They are not done regularly and 117 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,640 usually if they are done they are not talked about. 118 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,440 Yes, it's a really good point actually, because our practice 119 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,520 is our own and and that's where we want to be really clear here 120 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,080 that we're giving our advice as it comes through. 121 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,440 But ultimately you have to make that judgement for yourself. 122 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,120 So hopefully we can inform you a little bit of that. 123 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,880 And do you know what I, I think it's the same for me and on I 124 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,240 see a curse and a hex exactly how you described it. 125 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,800 And I think, but there are some practitioners that interlink 126 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:55,120 both of those terminologies. So they will use the same 127 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,960 terminology and meaning the same thing as well. 128 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,160 So it's good to give that definition. 129 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:06,040 A curse is a longer, a longer lasting piece of justice magic. 130 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,360 A hex can be shorter lived. And then you've got Jinx as 131 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,280 well, which is just, you know, make sure your socks fall off in 132 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,000 your shoes all day, please, because you annoyed me. 133 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,960 Sorry, I see that all over social media. 134 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,160 I see other witches posts like these memes of going. 135 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,720 I wish that your socks would just fall down in your shoes. 136 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,400 I've never done that to anybody, but it is such a great way to 137 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,520 piss somebody off, right? It would really annoy me. 138 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,720 How does? That annoy or not? 139 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,480 Oh, it is so when I'm walking the dog and if my socks have 140 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,760 fallen down in my wellies. Oh it's the most annoying thing 141 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:44,000 like a you got a bunched up fuck in your welly. 142 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,120 It's so annoying. You know, that could actually be 143 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:51,640 me doing that to you. I know, I've just thought you 144 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:56,120 said you were in a cranky mood. I feel like trying to, but so do 145 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:57,640 you. Do you feel the same about it in 146 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,280 terms of its definition then Vic? 147 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,560 Yeah, I think curses are a bit more long standard. 148 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,400 They're much more broad justice work. 149 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,960 A lot of it is about justice. And when people feel that 150 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,640 they're not empowered in a situation and that there needs 151 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:16,400 to be a longer format almost, you know, it's a bit of a bit of 152 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,920 the difference between short content, short form content and 153 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,800 long form content. Almost Your hot, your hex is a 154 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,520 bit more of a short form content, a bit more of an 155 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:33,559 irritation, a bit more specific and less on the lasting side of 156 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,880 things. And I agree with the non as 157 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,440 well. I will not judge somebody who 158 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:45,160 uses that form of practice. I have done, I will do. 159 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:49,240 I'm very much for balance, very much for balance. 160 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:55,520 So that is both sides of things. That said, I think if you are 161 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,600 going to do that, maybe don't do it all the time. 162 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,240 It's really exhausting. Maybe have a think about it 163 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,000 before you do it and know why you're doing it rather than just 164 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,160 being irritated. Have some ethics that that would 165 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,200 be my advice to somebody. Yeah, and that's a really good 166 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,320 piece of advice. And I think it's, it's also 167 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:16,040 worth noting if you're big on social media platforms, what we 168 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,120 tend to see now, rather than the word cursed or hex being used is 169 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,120 this justice based magic being used. 170 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,640 And that's especially so because platforms tend to block videos 171 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,480 where you're talking about curses, hexes. 172 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,560 So people have preferred to use justice in place of that. 173 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:38,440 But it is also a valid way to describe it because again, this 174 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,560 is coming back to what we want to do in our personal practice. 175 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,560 But if we want to make sure somebody's getting justice for 176 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:47,080 what they have done, and we feel like that, like you said, Vicky, 177 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,560 the balance is correct in doing so, Therefore, it's just a space 178 00:09:51,560 --> 00:09:52,800 magic. And it isn't that we're just 179 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,120 cursing somebody because we are, jokes aside, pissed off for 180 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,720 today because that's not how witchcraft should work. 181 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,640 In any case. We shouldn't be driven by our 182 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,800 emotions. We should be driven, well, I'll 183 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,560 rephrase that. When we've got high emotions, we 184 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:08,960 shouldn't be driven to do magic on the basis of that. 185 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,320 We should take a level approach and balanced approach on what we 186 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,040 do next, whether that's coming from a loving place or an angry 187 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,080 place. If you're angry jumping straight 188 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,840 into doing hex magic or curse magic or something to do with 189 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,880 justice, you're not leaning into it in the right way. 190 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,120 That would be my my cautionary tale. 191 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,320 You know, anger has a place. It's absolutely valid. 192 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,720 Every emotion we should be feeling and using anger is a 193 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,640 really good energy to use within magical practice. 194 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:43,400 But when it's misdirected and use them in a practice in order 195 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,560 to feel like we're getting justice, it needs to be levelled 196 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:48,520 out a little bit. But we'll talk about that more 197 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,080 when we come into, I guess, the ethics of it. 198 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,920 And maybe you 2 do disagree. Maybe if you're angry, doing 199 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:57,960 some justice, magic is exactly what you should be doing. 200 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,640 I think you can use your emotions in any spell work. 201 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,600 You should be using your imagination, your emotions, your 202 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,440 feelings within it, because otherwise you're just mixing 203 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,320 herbs together, aren't you? When you've been practicing. 204 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,000 I wasn't saying a long time, but actually there's new 205 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,520 practitioners who are really good at this. 206 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,640 Just be a bit balanced, just know why you're doing stuff and 207 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,200 loads of new practitioners are really really good at that. 208 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,320 What I will say though is emotions are a human thing, and 209 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:33,360 cursing and hexing has been written about and found in 210 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,080 archaeology for a really, really long time. 211 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,600 Look at the curse, the Greek curse place. 212 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,600 Loads of them were found mostly about business justice and love 213 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:47,320 dealings so you can look those up if you're interested and 214 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,440 also. You've got one in Wales, one's 215 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,320 been found in Wales. You found a Greek that is 216 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,200 awesome. Yeah, in Cairo, Leon, I think it 217 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:00,080 was somebody. Oh, I'm going to forget it now, 218 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,400 but I think somebody was invoking Nemesis because 219 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,880 somebody had stolen. I think it was shoes and a cloak 220 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,760 and as far as I'm aware it's the only one that's been found in 221 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,480 Wales. I love it even more because 222 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,600 somebody stole a cloak. Like of all the witty things, 223 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,640 like they stole a cloak so they're trying to curse them. 224 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,680 That is absolutely epic. Also, if if people are worried 225 00:12:24,680 --> 00:12:32,320 about how evil as such or what are we do you know what occurs 226 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,960 is evil etcetera. Look at it as justice. 227 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,960 It's even in biblical is in biblical texts. 228 00:12:40,560 --> 00:12:43,680 So actually there are curses in the Psalms. 229 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,080 So if you're interested and you sort of want to get on a bit of 230 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:53,160 a ramp with it, actually Psalms 109 and Psalms 137 are really 231 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,560 good examples, but there are actual curses in the Bible. 232 00:12:56,560 --> 00:13:00,600 So it's about justice work. Yeah, and I do. 233 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,480 You know what, that's where I guess my education is not fully, 234 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:06,120 fully detailed. I don't know a lot of the 235 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,200 historical contexts around justice based magic 236 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,680 practitioners coming into the craft who believe that what they 237 00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:16,720 have to do is first of all go into a painful type situation in 238 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,040 order to balance out any injustice that they've had in 239 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,480 the past. I don't believe that's the right 240 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,240 way to approach witchcraft. I believe it does have a place, 241 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,920 but it is pushed forward as a more preferential way of doing 242 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,280 witchcraft. And therefore it can, it can not 243 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,080 only demonize it, but it can push certain practitioners a way 244 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,280 we say like, well, actually witchcraft isn't for me because 245 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,840 all they're doing is hexing and cursing and which isn't true, 246 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,360 right? It's like that isn't the basis 247 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,840 of it. And I went to a witchcraft 248 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,200 festival last year, which I'm going to again this year with 249 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,920 lots of witchy folks. You'll see all that over social 250 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,040 media, but I sat next to a lady who'd been practicing for a 251 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:59,320 couple of years and we went to a painful magic workshop together. 252 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,480 It was with who was it? I think it was the ginger witch 253 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,040 actually on socials. She was heading it up. 254 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,920 And there's this lady sat next to me and I don't, I don't 255 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:12,400 remember her name, but she was like, oh, but it all comes back 256 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,320 to you like this. When you do this magic, it's 257 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,840 going to bounce back. And you know what, you know, 258 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,560 like the karma effect or the modern version of what people 259 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,520 think karma is. And I said, are you Wiccan? 260 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,760 Because I know Wiccan beliefs not there's so many karma, but 261 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,040 they believe in that threefold law where it comes back to you. 262 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:32,360 And she's like, no, I'm not a Wiccan. 263 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,200 And I said, but what you need to start doing is investigating 264 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,000 what the balance of energy means for you. 265 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,600 Because if you truly understand the balance of energy and 266 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,000 there's no good or bad and everything's got cycles, how on 267 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,200 earth can something come back to you when you're doing it for the 268 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,160 right reasons? So she was really receptive, but 269 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:56,240 she was also very, very fearful about what painful magic was. 270 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,200 And that's why she joined in that that lesson at that 271 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:01,800 festival, which was really helpful. 272 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:07,800 But there is this preconception that I guess the Wiccan beliefs 273 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,480 and the more modern beliefs about this threefold law. 274 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,760 I mean, I'll probably let one of you speak about this, but but 275 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,800 what do you think, Alan, about the threefold law? 276 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,400 Is it something you prescribe to and karma and all of it bouncing 277 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,720 back? No, I've got a simple answer for 278 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,000 you. No, no, I've got quite a 279 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,720 controversial I think view on it. 280 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,640 I might be wrong but it's my opinion. 281 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:40,640 I think this idea is relatively new ish with regards to and I 282 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:45,240 loathe this idea of are you a bad witch? 283 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,440 Are you a good witch? Black, white, right? 284 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:53,240 Because everyday magic involved balance. 285 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:59,440 And I think it comes from a mix of religion, social mixing to a 286 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,440 point. And I would say primarily a lot 287 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,160 of it was from the medieval history, you know, this idea 288 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,760 that magic is evil, you know, working with any energy other 289 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:16,440 than this one major energy or, or, or God, what was evil? 290 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:21,600 You know, conversing with spirits was demonized, which has 291 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,440 gained their power from the devil. 292 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:31,800 You know, it was described as as organized evil in a way. 293 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,720 And when we look at the witch trials primarily, a lot of what 294 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:40,280 they were being accused of was being for working or causing 295 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,240 harm to others. Not once, I don't think anyway, 296 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,240 was anything ever mentioned about all the good, nourishing 297 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,320 work they did within that community. 298 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,520 And I think in the 1900s, as much as there was this big 299 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:03,280 religious and spiritual shift that try to reclaim witchcraft 300 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:07,400 or nature centred, you know, spiritual movements like 301 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,520 Gardener, but you also had this caveat to it harm. 302 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:16,400 None know this idea that justice or or painful working has 303 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:23,400 consequences and it does. But I think as much as they were 304 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:28,520 highlighting witchcraft, again, they also I feel had an 305 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:34,040 undercurrent within it that said witchcraft can also be very evil 306 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:35,440 as well. It can be bad. 307 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:40,040 So I, I think because of that, there's still a lot of stigma to 308 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,360 this day about witches. And we are still asked, I am 309 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,800 when somebody finds out I'm a witch. 310 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:50,240 I'm still asked to this day am IA white witch or a black witch. 311 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,280 Yeah, I absolutely get that and I agree with you. 312 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,600 And on the harm, None. I don't, I don't prescribe to 313 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:57,920 her. I don't prescribe to her. 314 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,840 I I prescribe to balance. There is balance in nature. 315 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:02,800 There is balance within elements. 316 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:07,440 There is balance. Not everything is all light and 317 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:08,040 airy. Fair. 318 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,240 Yeah. We all live real lives. 319 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,640 What I do think, I think there is responsibility with what you 320 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,840 do. And I do think if you are going 321 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:20,480 to go down the lines of painful, I think commit. 322 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,920 And if you're going to commit, do it and take responsibility 323 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:25,880 for what you do. You know, don't push it on to 324 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,560 other people. I have done this because of this 325 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,200 reason. I know why I've done it. 326 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,160 And when you say you take accountability for it, do you 327 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:39,200 think it's important when we do this kind of magic to keep it 328 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,960 private to ourselves? I mean, generally speaking, 329 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:47,840 magic, magical practices should be kind of a personal act, but 330 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,760 do you think it's more important when it's painful magic or do 331 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,280 you we think it's just as important? 332 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:58,480 So for me, if I was going to do something painful, that is a 333 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:03,360 large work in and when I do large or ritualistic work, 334 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:07,280 insurance that is private to me, I think that's the easiest way 335 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,400 to answer it. If I'm going to show a money 336 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,640 bowl on social media, fair enough. 337 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,000 I'm going to show people how to do that and then we can talk 338 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,960 about it. It's not that I'm gatekeeping, 339 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,400 it's just if I'm doing rituals for me personally, they are my 340 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,120 personal practice. And it's really important 341 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:28,200 actually because, well, any ritual, but particularly when 342 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,440 we're talking about justice magic as well, it's like that 343 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,680 protection mechanism as well. You know, you protect the spell, 344 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,080 you protect the energy, you protect yourself. 345 00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:44,800 It's not just about doing the baneful budget like you say, the 346 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,640 accountability factor there, there's, there's layers to it 347 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,200 which are really important. Yeah, I think, I think 348 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,160 accountability is really, really important. 349 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,280 But that's within everything that you do. 350 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,480 That's just within life. The do I find it different for 351 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,400 ritualistic work or spell work? No, no. 352 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,960 If I go to the shop and I shoplift something, then I need 353 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,840 to take accountability. Can I sit with myself for that? 354 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,760 If I say something mean to somebody, I need to take 355 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,840 accountability. Can I live with myself for that? 356 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,680 It's exactly the same with any form of craft that I personally 357 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,480 practice. And do we think that there's 358 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:28,200 consequences to our actions? I think there's consequences to 359 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,920 every action that you take in life generally. 360 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,200 That's a bit of a broad spectrum, isn't it? 361 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,640 No, it is. And I I realized how and as I 362 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,680 was saying it, I wouldn't quite because I was thinking about a 363 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:44,560 post I've seen today from mutual in America about not necessarily 364 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,040 the consequences, but about doing money magic. 365 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,800 And when we ask for things blindly with within our magical 366 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:56,080 practice, we need to expect that sometimes the results happen in 367 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,600 different ways than we anticipate. 368 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,920 And spiritual practices like that anyway, when we ask for a 369 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,360 message, we don't always get that message directly how we 370 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:06,480 expect. And it's the same one where I 371 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:11,320 guess creating a or doing a magical spell or spell work. 372 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,880 I'll rephrase that. Doing a magical spell, doing 373 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,600 spell work. And like, if we're asking for 374 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,040 money, and that could come by means that we're not expecting, 375 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,120 we could lose our job and get a redundancy payment, or somebody 376 00:21:24,120 --> 00:21:25,800 could die and we get an inheritance. 377 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,440 I mean, they're quite extreme examples, but that's how the 378 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,000 balance works. And likewise, if we're going to 379 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,400 do a curse on somebody in order for them to feel the effects of 380 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:43,920 perhaps, I don't know, we'll use something long and put needles 381 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,760 in it because they're a man and we want something to happen. 382 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,800 We have to expect that those consequences then can come back 383 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,000 and impact us in different ways that we weren't necessarily 384 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,120 anticipating. And I can't think out loud what 385 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:56,920 that would be. And I'm thinking of a very 386 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:01,960 specific type of spell work. But but what I'm saying is when 387 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:08,360 we when we do this, we have to really think about the reason 388 00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:11,800 why we're doing that spell work, what that intention is and 389 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,800 expect the results to sometimes not be how we anticipate. 390 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,520 Absolutely. Because what we're doing in 391 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,520 essence is we are manipulating energy. 392 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,760 It's let loose that is now free to go and do what it's going to 393 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,200 go and do. So I can do that chaotically, if 394 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,360 you like. I can do that with grounding and 395 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:33,600 with forethought. Before I let that go, I want to 396 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,680 be very, very specific with what, with what I'm doing. 397 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,760 And also that's where I say take accountability. 398 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,960 Can I live with myself? Now see, I would put a clause on 399 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:48,000 it. Theoretically, if I was to do 400 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:55,000 any form of that type of working, I would put a clause on 401 00:22:55,000 --> 00:23:00,120 it where I could dissolve it at any moment if I wanted to. 402 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,760 Because I think with this type of working, if I was to do it, I 403 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,920 would have to really take a lot of time to consider all options. 404 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:14,160 Think outside the box. If this person is the main 405 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,960 breadwinner of the home, if everything you know fell to 406 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,160 pieces, the car broke down, the job loss, are there innocence 407 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,800 involved? Are the children within the 408 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,480 house and how how much of my working could affect others? 409 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,600 So it would have to be very targeted. 410 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,720 I think there may be a point for me where I would get a bit of 411 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,120 witch's guilt potentially. So for me, I think I would 412 00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:43,640 always have to have a clause on it per SE, where if I think 413 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:48,480 right enough, enough is enough, then I could dissolve that as 414 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,280 and when needed. Theoretically, that's a really, 415 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,680 that's a really good point because then this leans back 416 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,880 into where beginners should be starting or focusing their 417 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,880 energy and their spell work versus more experienced. 418 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:04,960 Because understanding how to put a clause into a spell as well as 419 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:11,600 deliver it, the intention and have all of the morals to sit 420 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,520 comfortably with what you're delivering takes experience. 421 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,600 And I'm not saying that every beginner to witchcraft should be 422 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,720 fearful of to making the steps that they feel is just, but 423 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,680 actually some things do need more time to sit comfortably 424 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,840 with us as practitioners. And it shouldn't be the first 425 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,160 thing that we're jumping to when we go, right? 426 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,680 OK, witchcraft is for me, they've all fucking wronged me. 427 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,320 I don't like them. This is the way I'm going to go. 428 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,080 And just as magic is where I'm going to be sitting with that. 429 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,320 And I guess every practitioner is absolutely different, but I 430 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,480 would just err on the side of caution because all of those 431 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,440 things we've talked about, about the accountability, about being 432 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,360 measured, having a clause or a contract in order to reverse 433 00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:58,600 that if we feel it's not gone right, takes experience or a 434 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,960 level of understanding. I don't know, that's, that's the 435 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,360 kind of my view. I'm not telling anybody how to 436 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:06,200 practice, but actually I think it's really important that you 437 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,120 have that level of experience because you're right and on. 438 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:13,640 I would usually put some sort of reversal magic within it as 439 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,240 well. And that's why, Vicky, you said 440 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,280 this isn't a small, this isn't a small piece of spell work. 441 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,520 This takes time. It's a big work. 442 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,440 Yeah, and this is it. So I'm different from you 2. 443 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,080 I will not put a clause in it if I send something. 444 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,120 Out you are in a bad mood though, I mean. 445 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:31,080 I told you I was feisty today. There is no clauses. 446 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,400 I'm putting it out there. I'm just going to, yeah, if I'm 447 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,640 going to set, if I'm going to set something to fly. 448 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,800 And I actually think it is needed. 449 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:44,640 It takes a lot, a huge amount for me to know or to think, to 450 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,680 feel that that is needed. I have done it a couple of times 451 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,040 in my life and they absolutely were needed. 452 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,360 And was there a cause? Absolutely not. 453 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,160 Justice is deserved. It was needed. 454 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,640 It's done its job. Thanks very much. 455 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,560 There you go. That protection for me, and it 456 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,720 was based on a protection that was required. 457 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,760 So no, I wasn't putting out protection work. 458 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,800 It was painful magic. Did I do that in the heat of the 459 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:13,920 moment? No. 460 00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:16,640 Did I consider other work? Insurance first? 461 00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:21,240 Was I aware of what I was doing? Absolutely. 462 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,560 Did I think it was just yes. Do I regret it? 463 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,920 No. And that sounds like a really 464 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,400 strong stance, doesn't it? However, like I say, that isn't 465 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,160 something I would go to 1st. I might do a binding first or 466 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,320 another version before I would even reach that stage of doing 467 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:38,720 it. Yeah, and that's a really good 468 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:43,000 point, because there is a lot of magic that we can do ahead of 469 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:48,280 jumping straight to curses and hexes and binding one of them. 470 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,760 Banishing is another. I lean quite heavily actually, 471 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,920 in my practice. A lot of my spell work is about 472 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,040 shedding things that are holding me back, and that can be 473 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,760 personal or other people's energy as well. 474 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,480 Rather than going that fucking asshole, I'm going to do some 475 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:11,040 hex work on him or her. I will do I, I will focus what I 476 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,480 need to banish or what's holding me back first because it's had 477 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,880 that energetic effect on me. But that's the way that I deal 478 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,480 with my magical practice because I won't jump into Heck's work 479 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,760 immediately. And I will say now, I don't 480 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:31,720 think I've ever done a curse. I have done Heck's is a few, but 481 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,640 I also understand that they're not long term. 482 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,960 And you know it's not. But curse curse work is 483 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,600 something very considered and you lot you 2 are older than me 484 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:41,840 and you've been doing it longer than me. 485 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,040 We're old and wrinkly. No, no. 486 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,840 You're not, damn it you're not. You're younger than me, damn it. 487 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,000 Watch yourself. Thinking what do you know what 488 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,600 the listeners? The listeners don't know that 489 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,800 because you're anonymous. She's older than me. 490 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,080 For the sake of this podcast, you'll never know. 491 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,000 But yeah, I don't think I've ever done a curse, but I've 492 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,240 definitely done hexes. Do you do other magic when 493 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,960 you're in that headspace and on, you know, like I said about 494 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:15,240 banishing or cord cutting, would you focus on your the way that 495 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,800 you're viewing the situation rather than the situation 496 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,680 itself? Yeah, 100%. 497 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:24,080 I think it's like what you were saying and Vicky was saying 498 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,640 earlier, it's so important to lean into our emotions, you 499 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,880 know, into our anger, into our frustration. 500 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,440 You know, that's what makes us human at the end of the day. 501 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,720 But it's not OK to live there. It's not OK to sit in that 502 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,880 energy but absolutely lean into it. 503 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,320 For me, I would say a lot of my workings anyway. 504 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,880 I give myself time leading up to it. 505 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,680 Any form of working, whether it's for self love or something 506 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,920 positive, I will sleep on it because I'm a firm believer by 507 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:03,640 the next day I would have allowed some natural time for my 508 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,120 energy to find its own form of equilibrium. 509 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:12,920 I can journal it, I can discuss it internally about why I feel I 510 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,200 want this type of working and why, you know, do some form of 511 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,880 reflection. Yes, ad hoc workings have been 512 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:26,600 done in the past, but the way I'm practising now, I would say 513 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,280 I always give myself time to reflect on it and consider it. 514 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,160 It's not a normal everyday thing. 515 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:40,120 It's a really considered really rare thing to do. 516 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,200 Yeah, really rare thing to do. I am going to do all the other 517 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,120 stuff first. Have I cast a curse? 518 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,640 Yes, I'd love that you stung by your decisions because 519 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,960 absolutely everyone should. And having a get out clause, I 520 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,280 think again, it's that experience thing, not to rub it 521 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,240 in again, but you've been practicing a little while longer 522 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,400 than than I have. So maybe that's why I still have 523 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,600 that right. If I'm if this, if this goes 524 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,120 horribly wrong, I need to I need to get out. 525 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:11,120 But but going back to do we do it often, it's like we see all 526 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,280 over social media going, oh, you know, you're cursed. 527 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,160 And the amount of questions I get in my DMS going I think I've 528 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,720 been cursed and da da, da, da, da. 529 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,040 I think my ex's mother has cursed me. 530 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,680 And I'm like, why do you think that? 531 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,200 Like you say, people aren't going around just throwing 532 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,240 curses and hexes. And I mean, there are ways of 533 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,960 throwing Bing for shade, which is probably more of a jinx if 534 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,040 anything else. But if you truly believe that 535 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:42,240 that's the case, like why? Like who's out there doing that 536 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:43,960 all of the time? Like it's just not. 537 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,320 They are huge. They are very, they're very huge 538 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,640 work insurance. I mean, they don't have to take 539 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,600 hours and hours, but they have to be considered. 540 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,640 They have to be considered why? And if you're going to do 1, I 541 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,560 think commit, absolutely commit. But I am going to do 100 other 542 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,920 things first to rectify the situation within myself and how 543 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,920 I feel about it. Social media is great at doing 544 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:10,840 all of the the theatrics right and making it look amazing. 545 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,920 I see. I see way more especially on 546 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:19,080 tickety talk. I see way more baneful work 547 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,520 insurance than anything else. On other platforms, not so much. 548 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,200 I see a lot more around money magic, around sort of insta and. 549 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,000 Facebook. It is clickbait, absolutely and. 550 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,280 Clickbait. Everybody likes a black candle 551 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:36,200 dripping over something and go, oh, it's a it's a hex or it's 552 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,800 I've been cursed. And actually a lot of what 553 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,400 people think. I mean, don't get me wrong, two 554 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,200 weeks ago I had that Bloomin norovirus felt terribly ill. 555 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,120 And I think I believe I said to you 2 who's hexed me. 556 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,080 But look, I had a virus. You know, sometimes you just 557 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,040 have bad luck. Actual true curse work is big 558 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,080 stuff and not to be taken upon lightly. 559 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,040 And I don't think it's actually that usual. 560 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,120 And I would say if anything, you're more likely to come 561 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,640 across an intended workings, you know, people that might be 562 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,960 jealous that kind of evil eye aspect. 563 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:18,400 But I think This is why we we do promote protection and have in 564 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:25,160 the wards because I would say a lot of people would would 565 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,520 probably come across an unintended rather than what 566 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,560 Vicky was saying, like a curse or like a hex, because they are 567 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,800 so far and few in between. But then I do worry about what's 568 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:40,440 out there on social media, you know, people who are new to this 569 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,880 practice, you know, having access to all of this 570 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,280 information and thinking, oh, I'll just hex my ex then. 571 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:52,600 The hexing stuff on TikTok is so accessible and people don't 572 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:57,320 necessarily know what they're doing and that unintended thing. 573 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,680 Well, the most disappointing thing about the stuff that's 574 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,040 happening on TikTok and social media when it comes to this kind 575 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,560 of work is that there's no education around. 576 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,440 It is saying that this is the way you can do a working when 577 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,680 you want to get justice rather than like, hopefully what we're 578 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,200 trying to do is explain the grounded, balanced approach and 579 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,640 the reasons why it is still justifiable, but it has to be 580 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,960 taken with a different level of discernment. 581 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,440 Whereas on social media it's going this is what you want to 582 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,160 do if you want to hex your ex, like that's not why would you 583 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,920 want to hex your ex? What they've cheated on you. 584 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,960 OK, so you want to do a cord cutting, shift that energy away 585 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,880 from you, move on and find yourself a new love because 586 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,640 that's the reality of mundane also of magic and things that 587 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,680 you can do that are proactive, that you then need to work 588 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,280 towards as well. If you hex him, yeah, you're 589 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:54,400 going to get a a brief moment of fulfilment out of that guy who's 590 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,920 run off with your best mate. But the reality is life doesn't 591 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,760 work like that. So you have to like like you've 592 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,480 been saying and explain them articulately. 593 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,000 It is about that balance. There are platforms that make it 594 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:13,080 very accessible of you put XY and Z together, you hex your X 595 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,520 because you want to get back at them. 596 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,280 Why even put that energy into them? 597 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,400 100%. Well, I'm. 598 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,239 Not going to put my energy into someone who's annoyed me or who 599 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,480 has done me wrong in a minor instance. 600 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,320 That's that's down to me to sort, sort out. 601 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,520 Walk away from it. There's a block button. 602 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:38,040 There is a scroll button. I don't need to talk to my ex. 603 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,880 I need to have nothing to do with them. 604 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,440 I can do that on the mundane thing. 605 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,280 And let them run off into the sunset together. 606 00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:48,639 Tada. Absolutely, go for it. 607 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,400 Off you trot, because I'm telling you now, there was a 608 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,200 rhyming reason for those people being taken out of your life. 609 00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,920 And yeah, you're going to be upset about it. 610 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,480 Yeah, you'll be angry about it. But don't give them any ants 611 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,560 more of your energy than what you've already put into 612 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,480 something that wasn't. Going to work anyway. 613 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,160 Absolutely. I wholly agree. 614 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,800 Wholly agree with it. Because why would I? 615 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,640 Why would I give anybody who's harmed me any of my energy? 616 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,880 Now, I say that having cast a curse that I'm, I'm not even 617 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:32,080 going to go into why it, but that is to that was very, a very 618 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,240 serious matter. It was, as far as I'm concerned, 619 00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:38,480 justified and it protected other people that that is not an 620 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,160 annoyance. That is not something that the 621 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,200 legal justice system could deal with or therapy could deal with 622 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,480 or anything else could deal with. 623 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,680 And that was why I put my energy into it. 624 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,480 Yeah, I, I, I think there are different levels for people 625 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,280 which we won't go into about, you know, harm that has been 626 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,640 created. And like I said earlier, you 627 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:05,760 know, I, I think if, if someone can accept that form of working 628 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,360 and can sit in that working and, and something awful has happened 629 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,920 to them and that's what they want to do, then I, I will not 630 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,560 judge that person for doing that. 631 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,240 No, and that's really important actually, because there isn't 632 00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:23,000 any judging and everybody is entitled to practice exactly how 633 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,960 they want to practice. I guess just from a personal 634 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,880 perspective for me, my empowerment and being a witch is 635 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,800 also about understanding my own emotions and how I can, I guess 636 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,400 shape my own reality to some extent and the the 637 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,240 inconveniences of life. Or, you know, I had an argument 638 00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:46,000 with my neighbor about parking. He was a completely he was 639 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,480 completely out of order. He was completely wrong. 640 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,000 But I'm never going to hex the guy one I'm going to step back 641 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,960 and go, shit, I shouldn't have behaved that way. 642 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,080 What has made me react? I know what it was. 643 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,720 I got my it was to do with my son. 644 00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:01,840 So instinctively all of my emotions came to the surface. 2 645 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,920 That poor older gentleman has been set on his emotions for 646 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,480 ages. Me hexing him isn't going to 647 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:13,000 change a thing apart from inflate the situation. 648 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,280 He needs to deal with his emotions. 649 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,520 And anyway I'm I'm going off on a tangent a bit but there's 650 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,120 there's mundane things that happen every single day. 651 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,560 Our ex is dumb person or we get cheated on, we get have a row 652 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,480 with somebody in the street. But all of that doesn't require 653 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:35,040 a huge amount of our energetic resources to then direct justice 654 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:40,120 magic towards it. But equally, for those that feel 655 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,680 like that is the way that they want to perform their magic, I 656 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,320 don't judge that either. And I'm always really open and 657 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,640 interested to see how people practice as well. 658 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,200 But just for me, from a personal perspective, the empowerment for 659 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,960 me coming to understand how I can then understand my emotions 660 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,880 more fully, do things in the mundane that help me be a better 661 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,760 a better witch and a better person. 662 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,800 But also any magical practices that I need to do in order to 663 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:11,440 understand why my emotions may be impacting certain situations. 664 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:17,320 Not always hexing. Yes, I will work that way, but 665 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,640 it's so rare. So, so rare. 666 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,520 I am more likely to go and plant a plant and go and deal with 667 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,520 myself. But is it a poisonous plant? 668 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,680 Well, we're not. Most of what I grow is. 669 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,680 Comes the Belladonna. I'm not hexing. 670 00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:38,240 What are you on about? This isn't a hex. 671 00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:39,560 This is a beautiful. Plant. 672 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,600 This is really. Helps them in your teeth. 673 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,440 It's I would rather deal with me on a balanced side of things. 674 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,840 I don't want to spend my life thinking about all of that. 675 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,200 I'd rather go and I don't know, plants and vegetables that I can 676 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:58,480 share with my neighbors. In all seriousness, I'm not a 677 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:03,280 love and light person because I'm a balanced person, but I do 678 00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:08,960 air on the side of kindness and trying to understand other 679 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:14,880 people with empathy. There are some people who just 680 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,480 require that not to happen to them. 681 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,480 So in reality, every witch approaches curses, hexes and the 682 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,440 ethics differently. Today we've shared some 683 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,680 grounded, lived perspectives without the theatrics, and 684 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,040 hopefully without the fear. And definitely without the 685 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,080 nonsense. So let us know what you think. 686 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,080 And as always, drop any questions you have. 687 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:38,360 And that leads us onto our Come Sit with Us segment where this 688 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,960 week we've got a question from Emily on my Patreon. 689 00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:44,120 And she's asked the question about how do we find balance 690 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,400 between work and belief? Because she's trying to be more 691 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,080 calm, but often finds that work impedes that. 692 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,400 So what do we do to cope with our spiritual side and our 693 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,560 witchy side versus our work and our mundane life? 694 00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,720 Yeah. The last two weeks have been 695 00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:02,160 absolutely hectic, Absolutely hectic. 696 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,040 How have I fitted it in? I haven't made time specifically 697 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,640 for any really big work insurance. 698 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,560 So I have stuck with the little stuff, stirring the coffee, 699 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,680 making sure I'm looking after myself. 700 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,920 Do you know what life does? Life. 701 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,440 It gets absolutely blooming hectic and it's that lived. 702 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,840 This is a terrible answer. It's the lived practice thing 703 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,320 that I'm doing it on a daily basis. 704 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,800 That isn't a terrible answer because we we did cover that in 705 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,640 a previous podcast. But I think the reality is with 706 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,960 this kind of question, it leans back into witches or new 707 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,000 practitioners or any practitioner. 708 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,880 I'm not trying to pigeonhole anybody, but it's believing that 709 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,640 you have to be a witch 100% of the time. 710 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,040 And we're always walking around being spiritual and doing 711 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,160 everything witchy all of the blooming time. 712 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,040 But actually, that's not how this human existence works. 713 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,760 Our witchcraft is part of who we are, how we move, how we drink 714 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,240 our coffee, the clothes I put on every day, the jewelry I pick. 715 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,040 So when we're trying to find that balance between work and 716 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,720 belief, I always believe. But then I always work too. 717 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,080 So my belief, I'll, I'll just come back to it. 718 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,360 It may be a day, it may be at the end of the day, it might be 719 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,320 in the morning, but it might be two weeks later after I'm just 720 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:22,600 about to hex my scaffolders. Scaffolders because they won't 721 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,560 leave my house. Is that right, Vicky? 722 00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:26,480 Don't we? Absolutely, when they start. 723 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,920 Just give them a jinx where the sock falls down in their shoe 724 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,360 because it isn't, well, annoying, I mean. 725 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,360 Clearly because I hate, because. Clearly because I curse people. 726 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,640 Yeah. No, no, this is the thing. 727 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,960 Look, life does its thing and life is annoying and life takes 728 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,120 up a lot of time. Some of the time it can really 729 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,680 get in the way. But it's the little things. 730 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,720 It is the little things. There's a little daily practice 731 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,120 things that you can sort of say, actually, I'm going to stir my 732 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,760 coffee this way today, or I don't know. 733 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,160 I'm going to go and just look at that flower for two minutes 734 00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,760 amongst the dust and the debris and all the hideousness. 735 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,360 It's difficult because it is just who I am, so it's difficult 736 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,880 for me to try and answer, but it's OK to not be witchy the 737 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,360 whole time. Does that make sense? 738 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,200 Yeah, it does. It does. 739 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,800 What about you, Anon? How do you find the balance? 740 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,720 Oh. I'm witchy all the time, man, 741 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:27,120 nothing's stopping me. No, I guess I have learned over 742 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,680 the years work can be heavy at times. 743 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:37,040 And when I leave that doorway in work or when I'm commuting, that 744 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,520 is my time when I am mentally switching off from work. 745 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:46,680 And I allow myself to do that. I think it's understanding. 746 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:52,640 Like for me and my practice magic is interwoven within my my 747 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:57,640 day-to-day living. And you know, I work full time. 748 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,640 I'm a single mum of two. I'm a carer. 749 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:08,200 I listen to my body first, but a practice that looks, you know, 750 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,440 quote UN quote simple is not less powerful or potent. 751 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:18,600 You know, yeah, there might be times where I can do more of a 752 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,560 ritualistic form of working where I do have the time and the 753 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,600 energy to collect the items that I need, etcetera. 754 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:37,080 However for me a conversation with the spirits, a small lit 755 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:42,480 tea light is just as powerful. Or small axe throughout the day. 756 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,800 You know breath work, cleansing by washing your hands or 757 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,880 noticing nature. To me all of that is part of my 758 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,360 magical practice. I think my main 1 is when I 759 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,840 leave work I have mentally left work. 760 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,040 You're right, it's not only is it just part of who I am, but I 761 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,080 I've had a particularly hard week this week. 762 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:10,400 But when I find I'm stressed or there's too much going on, my 763 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,680 witchcraft is the thing that brings me back to center. 764 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,240 So I can always, I can always lean into that when it's a 765 00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:19,640 stressful conversation or I've had a really, really tough 766 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,720 meeting. I just take 2 seconds. 767 00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:25,400 It doesn't take a lot. And it's just recentering, 768 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,280 regrounding, lighting a tea light, putting on some incense, 769 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,560 talking to one of my plants. I'll have to tell you about this 770 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,120 in next week's episode, but one of my plants died this week. 771 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,480 Oh no. Well, the energy was sucky, so 772 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,240 it gave it taken its brunt and I wasn't giving the the nice 773 00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:46,400 energy back and it took all the bad energy. 774 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,760 So it's my own fault. So but those type of things is 775 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,520 what I come back to time and time again. 776 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,080 Work stressful. I can look at my ring and I know 777 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,200 that I put on a ring full confidence today. 778 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,600 So if I'm feeling like I'm not, you know, holding my own in a 779 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,120 meeting, I can just hold that for a second and it's on my 780 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,360 body. So it's just part of my entire 781 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,680 being. I've got something on me, or 782 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,320 around me, or I am and I come back to myself, or I breathe, 783 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,600 or. I was just wondering how about, 784 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,120 you know, perhaps where that question has come from and we 785 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,720 have had similar questions. Do you think that some people 786 00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:30,680 view magical practice as a very something that's very different, 787 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:38,360 very specific, very shifted out of a normal day-to-day living? 788 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,800 Do like, do you think people they were as I'd have to 789 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,360 alienate it from my day-to-day world? 790 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,680 You know, I know that was exactly what I was going to say. 791 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,040 Yeah, not necessarily in those words, but that was the 792 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,720 sentiment of what I was going to say. 793 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,560 It's, it's easy for us to say, well, we just live it. 794 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,440 But if you're new and you're trying to take notice of what 795 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,600 you're doing, well, where do I find time to do that? 796 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,760 Because I need to do this breath work and it's going to take half 797 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:09,240 an hour. And, and we're, I think so used 798 00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:12,000 to doing it, we can do it in a split second because we're used 799 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,040 to doing it. So I think my advice would be 800 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,840 take 3 breaths over the, you've had a terrible time in the 801 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,040 office, go to the coffee room, put your feet on the ground, 802 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,440 relax your shoulders. Take 3 deep breaths right into 803 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,720 your stomach. It takes a split second and 804 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,320 there isn't. And then notice what your body 805 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,160 is doing. But what it's actually doing is 806 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,840 it's grounding you and it's getting you used to doing these 807 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,920 things on a daily basis. A daily practice that we 808 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,480 actually do on a daily basis isn't giant, massive stuff, and 809 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,680 we're trying to demystify what we're actually doing. 810 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,160 What counts as witchcraft? And that might be, that might be 811 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,840 the other, the other reason that this question was asked, right? 812 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,320 It's like what witchcraft is a separate thing and it's not it's 813 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,920 part of your everyday. You've just got to blend it in, 814 00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,360 however it works for you. And breathing is such a it's not 815 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,520 a new age. It's, it's a fundamental part of 816 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,600 what we do. And breathing and coming back to 817 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,440 ourself and grounding just resenters us. 818 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,120 And like you say, you can feel into it, but equally, it's like 819 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,880 all of the little things. So don't try and don't try and 820 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,000 separate the two. Thank you for listening to 821 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,520 Between 3 Witches Witchcraft in Plain sight. 822 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,920 If this episode resonated, you're welcome to sit with it, 823 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,120 share it, or let it unfold in its own time. 824 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,000 You can find me, Vicki and, and on on all the social media 825 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,400 platforms and I'll leave it in the show notes if you want to 826 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,960 find us there. Until next time, may your 827 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,560 practice meet you exactly where you are.