1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,520 Welcome to Between Three Witches, where we talk about 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,960 witchcraft in plain sight. Everyday magic lived honestly, 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:07,400 and it's hosted by three witches. 4 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,480 Me, GAIL, the witch next door. Me, the weedy green witch. 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,200 And me and on the anonymous witch. 6 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,000 We all walk different paths with different levels of experience, 7 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,720 but we share a deep respect for the craft as it is actually 8 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,440 practiced and not the dramatized version people expect. 9 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,440 Today's episode dives into a topic that people love to 10 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,840 mystify, misunderstand, or even gatekeep. 11 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,440 It's all things divination. What it is, what it isn't, and 12 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,840 how which is actually use it. Before we get into all that, how 13 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:35,720 have we been since the last series? 14 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,200 Can you believe this is the first time we're speaking? 15 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,480 I know we had our guests on last time, but how are we all? 16 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:43,160 What have we been up to? Yeah, the week's been really, 17 00:00:43,160 --> 00:00:46,400 really good. Loads of stuff doing, loads of 18 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,640 personal projects going on. Crazy, crazy busy and a bit of a 19 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,680 mishap with some stinging nettles and some strawberries 20 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,760 that I'm highly allergic to. So all fun and games. 21 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,440 For goodness sake, did you know you were allergic to them or is 22 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,560 it a new thing you found out? No, I've been allergic for a 23 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,160 really long time. So you're now sticking your face 24 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,600 in strawberries and go no, I'm not allergic anymore? 25 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:06,040 What? Happened. 26 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,680 In theory, I shouldn't actually grow them. 27 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:12,400 They're my husband's all right. He keeps them away from me. 28 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,040 Attributing Blaine to the husband at this. 29 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,600 Point he likes his strawberries. They are a bit of a dodge moment 30 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,040 for me and at the moment they're in full flower. 31 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,000 And I didn't take into the poem aspect of it. 32 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,560 That's all I can really say. So yeah, exciting times, 33 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,160 exciting times, but we're all good. 34 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,360 And I'd like to say that, you know, grabbing the nettles from 35 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,240 the wrong, I should know better as a green witch. 36 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,920 I should know better than to grab a nettle the wrong way. 37 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,200 Can't you just blame your husband for that as well? 38 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,720 No, sadly, I didn't see it. It was hidden and I grabbed a 39 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,320 big handful of it and actually really cut my hand up on it. 40 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,160 It was, it was a doozy. And yeah, so that was that's 41 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,440 that's summed my week up. Actually, that's what I. 42 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,720 Spent I spent. You're really busy though, like 43 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,320 this time of year, not just with like normal everyday life but 44 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,320 planting, you know, I think people underestimate if you're 45 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,600 not into gardening it can take up a lot of time and you're like 46 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,240 I'd say semi professional at this point with the amount of 47 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,120 stuff you grow. Yes. 48 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,480 So I've kind of got it all pretty, pretty well paced 49 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,400 actually. But it is a busy time of year, 50 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,800 it is lots of things going out, lots of things being manoeuvred 51 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,400 around into cold frames just because of the frost and stuff. 52 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,520 And in the which area it's left more natural. 53 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,280 So I don't do sort of any cutting or anything within that 54 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,840 area. Certainly during May Obviously 55 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,200 you've heard of no MO May Hopefully it's good. 56 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:40,320 It's good for the insects and stuff. 57 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:46,160 So so but but it does need sort of containing to the point on 58 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:47,880 the edges, hence the nettle issue. 59 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,680 Because yes, I grow nettles and on purpose I do grow them on 60 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:52,880 purpose. It was in the wrong place. 61 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,800 Well. They're amazing and tea, aren't 62 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,480 they? So you know why was? 63 00:02:56,640 --> 00:02:59,320 It yeah, they are. They are really, really good and 64 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:04,200 I had a fight with 1 so great. Well, I've had an amazing 65 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,480 weekend, as you will very well be aware of. 66 00:03:07,640 --> 00:03:13,640 We went to the Festival of Pagan and Witches, which was 67 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:19,000 absolutely beautiful, magical, wonderful. 68 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:25,920 I'm still recovering because I went to as many workshops as I 69 00:03:25,920 --> 00:03:28,320 could. And of course, it does drain you 70 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,120 a bit as well, doesn't it? You know? 71 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:36,240 And everybody I met was just so welcoming, so friendly, and I 72 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:41,240 just felt incredibly safe there. I felt held by everybody there 73 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,800 other than you go and see you over there. 74 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,920 That's the anonymous switch. Yeah, but because I kept getting 75 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,120 people coming up to me, which is incredible, right? 76 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,560 I had a fabulous time. And when you said you're still 77 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,440 recovering, I thought, is it because of all the wine? 78 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:59,600 But, but jokes aside, like for those of you that I've never 79 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,640 been to this festival, they put on workshops every hour from 80 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,520 10:00 in the morning till 10:00 at night, Saturday, Sunday and 81 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,000 Monday. So you can join as many or as 82 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,560 little as you like. But the educational value is 83 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,800 beyond. It's just incredible. 84 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:20,360 The speakers they have there, the activities, the location, 85 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,920 there's like this Woodlands where you can go and drum and 86 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,760 they do different talks. I mean, I can go on about this 87 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,240 all day. You know how much I love that 88 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,280 festival, which is why it was incredible to meet everybody. 89 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:35,760 But you're right, you feel so safe and so held and just I seen 90 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:40,880 a post today from Amanda Mack. She's an incredible witch that 91 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,960 helps organize it along with the Coven of Gaia. 92 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:48,280 But she was saying how much of A thump back into normality it is 93 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:50,240 when you come away from the festival and you stop being with 94 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,760 all like minded people and you suddenly realize you've got to 95 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:59,200 just go back to work and all the normal stuff. 96 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,000 And like how it can be relieved, sort of. 97 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,080 Yeah. A bit of a a bit of a whack 98 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,520 around the head, but yeah, it was a fabulous weekend, wasn't 99 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:07,200 it? And on. 100 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,000 And it was lovely to meet you. But I also want everybody to. 101 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,920 And I thought, well, this is safe space. 102 00:05:12,280 --> 00:05:13,720 I can go. This is the anonymous witch. 103 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,400 Because these are all witches. Are they going to see you with 104 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,640 me? So if anybody sees me around, 105 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,360 you'll go, Is that the anonymous witch? 106 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,240 I'll go No, but I'll roll my eyes, so I'll go. 107 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,440 No, it isn't. That's not the anonymous witch. 108 00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:31,360 You know I am. So gutted I couldn't make it 109 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:32,960 that I had other things going on. 110 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,280 I'm so gutted. But next year, we'll be good. 111 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,560 Yeah, next year for sure, we'll arrange it again because we did. 112 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,240 We met up as as a group of people who hadn't met before as 113 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,120 well, which was incredible. And it was a really good time. 114 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,520 It's just so much fun. I, yeah, it really fills my cup 115 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:52,840 up as well. Plan on. 116 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:56,520 I know exactly what you mean. You come away with so much 117 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,680 insight and new friendships and all sorts of stuff. 118 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,040 It's an incredible event. So now I just need to find 119 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:08,120 several other events throughout the year to make sure I continue 120 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:09,840 to fill my cup up in the same way. 121 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,280 So yeah, that's what I've been up to as well. 122 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,280 Went to the festival, met lots of people, felt like I was 123 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:19,280 famous for 5 minutes, you know, people, people running up to me 124 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:22,760 saying little quotes from the podcast going oh, let it go. 125 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,640 Like this guy just grabbed me and he did it running past. 126 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,600 And I said, oh, you've been listening to the podcast. 127 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:29,960 But a lot of people also came up. 128 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,920 And I know some people didn't want to because I was chatting 129 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,440 to people, but my goodness, if I'm chatting to people just come 130 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,560 up anyway. It's even better because then I 131 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,200 can show off and go yes, and they go, you Gayle the witch. 132 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,840 Like, yes, I love, I love all of the silliness. 133 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,520 No, but jokes aside, it's amazing to meet people and 134 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,040 because I'm just a person too. Well, as. 135 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:52,680 You say The thing is, you're human. 136 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:53,920 Aren't you? I'm just a person. 137 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,720 And everybody was saying, oh, you're just like you are on 138 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,120 socials. I'm like, well, I bloody well 139 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:00,960 hope so. I promise. 140 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,160 You know what I mean? Wouldn't it be disappointing 141 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,880 though, if I was suddenly not like as real as I am on socials? 142 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,840 I don't get to meet a lot of people off of social, social 143 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,160 media that I meet. But yeah, it'd be really 144 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,240 disappointing if you were something that you weren't, 145 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,120 because I guess you can all put on a facade, but hopefully I 146 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,360 don't do that. Not at all, although I would say 147 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:20,880 you're a lot shorter in real life. 148 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:26,120 Or or you're taller. I know you. 149 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,720 Said That was the first thing I said to you. 150 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:30,840 I didn't go hi. Oh my God, I can't believe I'm 151 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:32,720 like, you're really tall. You're taller than I thought 152 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:38,920 you'd pick. 12 year old child. She's seen me from far away and 153 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:40,480 was like, oh, there's a Hobbit over there. 154 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,200 Well, you're the same height as me, aren't you? 155 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:45,880 So. Are you 52? 156 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,560 I'm 5 two, yeah. I see. 157 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,560 I see. I would have me thought you were 158 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,480 tall. I thought I was tall. 159 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,040 I thought Anon would have been short. 160 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:54,440 And I thought you would have been tall. 161 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:54,920 Yeah. Oh. 162 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,680 I'd love to have long legs and be really tall. 163 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,800 Now I'm really short. Well, I mean, even more so 164 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,400 because you're sat in a wheelchair and. 165 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,280 Then I'm sat down as well so it doesn't help. 166 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,280 No, you're ultra short. Yeah, it's. 167 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,320 On the plus side, I can wear killer heels. 168 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,600 Amazing. All night. 169 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:12,800 I can wear killer heels all night. 170 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,040 It's great. Oh my God. 171 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,720 Brilliant. OK, so shall we get into today's 172 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,120 topic then? Divination. 173 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,440 It isn't about predicting a future like a scripted movie. 174 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,200 It's about interpreting patterns, symbols, intuition and 175 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,200 energy to gain clarity. So what is divination then? 176 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,720 Because we all do it right? I know it's a big part of my 177 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,360 practice. I think it's not just that we 178 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,600 all do it. I think that actually humans 179 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,720 have been doing it for a really, really long time, like since the 180 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,280 year dot. And everybody likes to read 181 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,040 patterns, right? So let's take it right down to 182 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,280 basics. It's recognizing patterns, lots 183 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,960 of different ways of doing that. That's what that means to me. 184 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:58,120 I will do that in so many different ways, but you pick 185 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,600 what works for you. Lots of it is literally just 186 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:06,680 pattern reading and it's not necessarily so I as far as I'm 187 00:09:06,680 --> 00:09:09,440 concerned it's not really as mystical as people try and make 188 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,280 out. Oh I I completely agree. 189 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:16,400 This is a subject that I try and walk people through in a myriad 190 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,520 of ways. Obviously I do tarot reading, 191 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,280 but when I do one to ones especially, I'm like, really, 192 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,240 it's the the basis of divination is your intuition. 193 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,240 And I did a video quite recently about pendulum dowsing and it it 194 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,400 went viral because I started the video. 195 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,000 We're going, your pendulum isn't magical. 196 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,720 You are because that's the fact. I think people think you've got 197 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,160 spirit coming in poking the hell out of you or flipping over the 198 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,360 cards or feeding in energy. And absolutely that is part of 199 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,560 our spiritual practice where we can call in those energies. 200 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,040 But that's not where the messaging is coming from. 201 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,520 It's coming from part of us. It's coming from part spirit as 202 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,400 well, obviously, but it isn't all spirit. 203 00:09:55,400 --> 00:10:01,440 There is a a big element of like subconscious and intuition mixed 204 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,880 in with our spiritual divination as well. 205 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,560 But it's not just about spiritual or spirits connection. 206 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,960 What about you Anna? What do you think divination is? 207 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,360 Well, number one, I do agree with what you just said then 208 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,600 about the intuition. Because if I had say 6 tarot 209 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:22,400 cards in front of me and I had six different tarot readers each 210 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,760 and everyone would give me a different message because I 211 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,160 don't want to go to a reader where they tell me exactly what 212 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:33,440 that card means within the book itself. 213 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,640 I want them to tune into their intuition, what they seeing. 214 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,360 And I love that about divination, especially with 215 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,240 cards because you will get different readings. 216 00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:47,240 Like what Victoria was saying, it stretches through many 217 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,720 cultures and it goes back thousands of years. 218 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,320 And I think some of the earliest methods were, you know, reading 219 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:59,760 weather patterns, you know, they win animal behaviour, celestial 220 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,920 movements. And I think deep down this shows 221 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:08,760 some form of need on a human level, that we need to find some 222 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:13,680 form of answer or to have some form of communication to the 223 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:16,520 other world and a desire to understand. 224 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:17,760 Yeah. Do you know what? 225 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:23,480 And I also think divination, for me reflects a lot on what we're 226 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,160 trying to move when we're actually stuck. 227 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,200 You know that stuck feeling and you can do divination yourself, 228 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,240 but what you're actually, well, if you're like me, OK, because 229 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,120 I'm human, I have a question and I'm stuck. 230 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,160 So what I'm actually going to do is I'm going to ask the same 231 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,520 question 100 different ways using different divination 232 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,920 patterns still remain stark. So what I actually do, because I 233 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,640 know I do this, is I'll ask somebody else to do that for me 234 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,800 and then I use their interpretation of it. 235 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,880 Yeah. And you're more like, well, if 236 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,120 it, if you're me, you're more likely to listen to somebody 237 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,080 else's interpretation than your own. 238 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,400 Because it can, it can muddy the waters, can't it? 239 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,640 Our own intuition. If we're too close to a 240 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,400 situation, we've got our human emotions involved as well. 241 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,080 Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And I think, I think it's 242 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:11,560 important to know. I mean, don't get me wrong, 243 00:12:11,560 --> 00:12:14,440 obviously I do use divination and I use it within my working 244 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,280 and I actually use divination before I'll do a work in to work 245 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,920 out what divination method I'm going to use so that there's 246 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,160 there's layered up for you. You doing divination to figure 247 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,520 out your divination to ask the divination what the divination 248 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,160 was. Yeah, yeah, because different 249 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,080 things need different things. I just. 250 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,640 Know diet. Yeah, I know I made fun of it, 251 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,280 but I know what you mean. It's like doing divination to 252 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,440 make sure you're taking the right path and what you're going 253 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,080 to do next. Absolutely. 254 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,120 And even just sort of am I asking the right questions? 255 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,560 So I quite often I'll use a pendulum to make sure that I'm 256 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:47,680 asking the right questions when I'm actually doing the 257 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:49,760 divination using a different method. 258 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:51,960 Does that actually make sense? No. 259 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,480 It does, it does, it does, it does. 260 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,800 But divination I, I guess for me is also it's not a decision 261 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,320 maker. And I'm again, I'm great at 262 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:05,400 telling people this, but let's be honest, how many times have 263 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,320 we all gone right? What the fuck do I do now? 264 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,240 I'm just going to pull a couple of tarot cards. 265 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,360 Although saying that I will pull for direction, but I won't take 266 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,440 it as verbatim. That's what I need to do, but it 267 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,520 will often clarify to me what I should have done in the 1st 268 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,440 place that I was ignoring. So you know, it is important to 269 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,640 note it isn't your decision making practice using 270 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:28,880 divination. You know it does. 271 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,480 It's not like fortune telling or fate define. 272 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,240 It's not. This isn't going to happen just 273 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,640 because the cards have said it and it doesn't replace the 274 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,640 decision making, but it can help with those decisions or help 275 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,040 bring out the things in us that make those decisions for sure. 276 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,480 Yeah, I like to call it unsticking the stuck. 277 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,080 Unsticking the stuck. I like coming out with all of 278 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,120 these little little words. Lately it's. 279 00:13:51,560 --> 00:13:52,640 Still. Got janky? 280 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,880 Jinky, jinky, Everything's jinky. 281 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:58,880 Types of divination then I feel like this might be a keep all 282 00:13:58,880 --> 00:13:59,880 cut moment. We should have. 283 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:02,680 We should have put that in because I guess for all three of 284 00:14:02,680 --> 00:14:05,440 us, I know a little bit about the type of divination that we 285 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,120 all work with. We all know I do tarot readings 286 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,000 and I love my Oracle cards as well. 287 00:14:11,680 --> 00:14:15,760 Do you guys work with tarot? Yes, yeah, I work with Tarot, 288 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,840 but to be honest here, I think I prefer Oracle. 289 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,920 I always like to kind of finalise some form of tarot 290 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:29,120 reading with an Oracle, just that kind of and to surmise the 291 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:33,120 reading, you know, the kind of. And it also helps me close the 292 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,120 reading as well as part of that closing aspect. 293 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,120 But yeah, I do. I've got too much, I got too 294 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,160 many cards, honestly. I've got about 100 in total. 295 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,240 Wow, why am I not knocking on your door? 296 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,040 I need readings. I need readings from people that 297 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,520 I I value and trust. Because, you know, not to go off 298 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,760 on too much of A tangent because we're talking about divination, 299 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:58,360 but social media doesn't do a great job of highlighting the 300 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,680 good and the bad readers. And especially on some apps 301 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,120 where you can just flick through, you see all types of 302 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,760 people with their tarot and Oracle cards given all types of 303 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,880 random readings. And I don't think it does an 304 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:14,800 awful lot of justice to people who have trained, practice, use, 305 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:19,680 working with their guides to divine messages as well. 306 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,600 It doesn't help. It doesn't help the cause to 307 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,240 give us a lot of. No, but I. 308 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,720 Think. I think as well, they're like, 309 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,960 I've been a victim of it and I use the word victim very loosely 310 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,320 is that I have gone to other readers and they've been awful. 311 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,760 You know, they, you, you can clearly see they don't know what 312 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,760 they're talking about. They're they're going down a 313 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,000 very muddy path. They're trying to ask me 314 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,840 questions to get an answer, to put into the cards. 315 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,360 Like they want someone to be very open with them. 316 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,560 I think some of those people need to be quite ashamed of 317 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,640 themselves actually, because this is a sacred practice. 318 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,680 And as you quite rightly said, people will take years, They 319 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,960 will take decades learning this craft and building up a 320 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:12,360 relationship if that's their pathway, with their spirit 321 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,880 guides, with their ancestors to help them in this process. 322 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,080 So shame on you, you charlatans. How dare you. 323 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,240 And Non has done me some readings. 324 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,880 Well, I was absolutely stuck and I couldn't see the wood for the 325 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,480 trees. There's another saying for you 326 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:32,080 this time. And Non did a reading for me and 327 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,520 it was perfect and it was absolutely spot on. 328 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,840 Exactly what I needed to do wasn't what I wanted to, what I 329 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,240 wanted to hear, but it was absolutely spot on. 330 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,880 Gave me a big To Do List, which is exactly what I needed to 331 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,920 happen. But with regard to readers who 332 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,520 maybe be charging for their readings, let me put it that 333 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:56,480 way. If I say to you, you are going 334 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,440 to see lots of red cars within the next three days, you 335 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:05,280 subconsciously are going to see lots of red cars on the road. 336 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:06,680 You are. Going to notice it. 337 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,400 Yeah, yeah. But but on a psychological 338 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,359 basis, the way your brain works, you're going to find those 339 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,359 patterns and then you're going to say it was a prediction. 340 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,560 I was going to see lots of red cards. 341 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,119 So you do have to be aware of those things can happen and 342 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:24,040 people will take advantage of the fact that psychologically 343 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,040 that happens. Yeah, they really do. 344 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,560 And I had a reading when I was out in Australia in January. 345 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:34,080 I got excited because I found a tarot reader, but he was so 346 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,280 obsessed with telling me that there's a man, there's a man 347 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:38,960 every card. Well, there's a man. 348 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,800 No, no, there isn't a man. Actually, no, no, there isn't a 349 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,240 man. And I went, oh, and then he 350 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:46,880 pulled over another card. Oh, it's a man. 351 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,760 I said, is it my son? Oh, yeah, it's your son. 352 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,840 OK, because I'm fed into it a little bit. 353 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:56,080 But I wasn't really looking for any answers about my son or 354 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,720 there was nothing prevalent that wasn't the reason that we were 355 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,240 doing. But anyway, I know what you 356 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:01,160 mean. I know what you mean. 357 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:05,960 You can say things and then find something to to add to it. 358 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,880 And it's not great. It doesn't do justice to tarot 359 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,560 or Oracle. And I like both. 360 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,600 And like you said, Annan, I like I do. 361 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:18,360 If I had to choose, I might choose Oracle cards just because 362 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:23,200 of the diversity and because they're so individual and the 363 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,440 witches that or the people, not all witches. 364 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,200 I'll rephrase that because not everybody's a witch who works 365 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,040 with Oracle cards. But when they're put together, 366 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:35,280 the energy that goes into them and the thought and the 367 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,120 descriptions and all of that, yeah, I really love it. 368 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,560 I. Really correct form of 369 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,400 divination then. My pendulum. 370 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,480 Is it? It is, but I use that for my 371 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:47,800 personal use. I won't. 372 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,840 I've never really used that in readings. 373 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,960 Maybe once or twice, very specifically. 374 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,960 Yeah, I'm a, I'm a big pendulum person, but I tend to use my 375 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:02,760 pendulum to qualify which questions and which definition 376 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,360 I'm going to use. So I'm a big fire scryer, an 377 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:09,040 Incan water person. I like the visual movement of 378 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,880 it, Yeah. So shall we talk about, I'm just 379 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,920 thinking, shall we talk about pendulums a little bit? 380 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,440 What they are, how they work? Yeah. 381 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,600 And we can talk about scrying as well, just in case people don't 382 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,400 know all of the, I mean, there's, there's a number of 383 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,160 ways, but pendulums. Do you work with a pendulum man 384 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,160 on? I do, but I don't think it likes 385 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,360 me that's. Like my divining rods that I've 386 00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:36,520 never really. But do you know what that's I 387 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,520 love that because I keep so again, you know what bloody post 388 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,520 I did and everybody goes on my pendulum doesn't work for me or 389 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,600 it just keeps wobbling. And I'm like, even though I can 390 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,280 tell you how pendulums work and how to use them, not every 391 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,280 single divination type is for everyone. 392 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,760 Absolutely. We've got a love hate 393 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,200 relationship, let's put it that way. 394 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,200 So you throw your pendulum at the wall and then you wonder why 395 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,000 it hates you. Is that, is that the basis of 396 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,920 the relationship? Again, that might not be your 397 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,200 preferred divination method. And I've seen some of your 398 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,880 divination methods and we'll come on to that in a second. 399 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,400 But yeah, so you've got love, hate with your pendulum. 400 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,480 And Vicki, I think I don't use it necessarily to figure out 401 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,080 which way I'm going to do divination. 402 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:26,400 I will use it about spell work and I will use it to check 403 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,880 energies. So this is going to make you 404 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,320 twitch because I know you don't like crystals, but I will. 405 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,320 I won't just run out on a full moon or a moon phase to charge 406 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,840 my crystals. I will use my pendulum to check 407 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,080 the energy as to whether they need charging and I do that with 408 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,880 my cards too that. Makes a lot of sense. 409 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:48,680 Yeah, to do my cards and I sometimes use it before I've got 410 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,600 an intense set of tarot readings booked. 411 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:56,080 If I've got back to backs I will check with my pendulum which 412 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:01,880 cards to use for those readings. So do you do what I do and use 413 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,600 it more of a confirmation clarification tool? 414 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,160 Yes. Of what you're going to be 415 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,080 doing, yeah. That's but, and I'll caveat 416 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,520 this, so I've got, I've got them all hanging up here. 417 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,440 You can't see them. They're not usually on screen, 418 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,680 but they've all got different personalities. 419 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,800 Yes. So I've got like a beginner 420 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,680 friendly 1. So if I'm going online teaching 421 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,200 pendulums, I will use that. Then I've got one who's an 422 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,080 asshole. We don't have a love hate 423 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,360 relationship, but it's more brutal and I guess I picked that 424 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:34,560 up when I want a different answer than I'm going to get. 425 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,160 So I know, but I know because I've got that relationship with 426 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,360 it. So, so yeah, I, I've definitely 427 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:45,520 connected to my pendulums in quite a significant way. 428 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,320 They're really important that they are my preferred method. 429 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,000 Yeah. So I have one that would be more 430 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,040 of a confirmation tool for relationships or emotional 431 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:59,240 things, and I have one that is an absolute asshole. 432 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,600 It is so brutal and it will give you the answers that you really 433 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,040 don't want to hear. Yeah. 434 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,680 So you're saying you've got one? Yep. 435 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,120 You've got the asshole one and oh, I like you. 436 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:11,200 Yeah. You're going to be ready for the 437 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,560 asshole one. And I do. 438 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,680 You know what? Whereas I'll buy tarot cards and 439 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,520 Oracle cards like they're going out of fashion. 440 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,480 I have not brought a new pendulum for a very, very long 441 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,240 time. Oh wow. 442 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,400 Like that, I feel like they are such a sacred part of my 443 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,920 practice. So can I ask a question and you 444 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,120 can say no to the to you can say you can say no to answering it? 445 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:32,800 No. Great. 446 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:37,520 I won't ask you that again, but how do you connect with your 447 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,760 pendulums? How do you get that 448 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,520 relationship? Because I think this is 449 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,240 something that the listeners actually would probably really 450 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,200 like to hear because again, I think we do. 451 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,560 It's probably similar, but again, within our own practice, 452 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:50,520 a little bit different, you know? 453 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,800 So mine now live in my shed and they've got I'm not going to 454 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,600 turn the camera around because everything will fall. 455 00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:01,760 But they are held up by there's a so it's really different. 456 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,240 So when when you first get a pendulum, if you want to start 457 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,000 the practice, I recommend keeping it on your person, 458 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,920 wearing it around your neck, keeping it under your pillow, 459 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,720 any actually divination. You could do that with your 460 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,240 tarot cards, anything, just because then you are attaching 461 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,040 your energy to that item. But mine now are charged up. 462 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:23,400 There's a very specific crystal necklace that I've got charging 463 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,840 them which lives there. I'll have to show it at some 464 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,080 point. Maybe I should do a video on 465 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,960 this. And then they hang up. 466 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,880 But they are on my skull wall, my my bones wall. 467 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,080 So they have guardians. So it's very much so. 468 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,440 If you ever look at my videos and you see where I keep all of 469 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,480 my skulls, I've got something hanging there and that's all my 470 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,960 pendulums there. OK, so I didn't know that you 471 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,120 did this. Guess where mine are? 472 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,080 Well, skulls. Yes. 473 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:52,240 Are they? Yes. 474 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,600 Oh, look at that. I know. 475 00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:55,760 I keep mine with my skulls, yeah. 476 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,720 Me too. There was my like, I've 477 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,720 literally got a bone section and it's like, that's my yeah. 478 00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:04,920 But Anonymous doesn't keep hers anywhere special, which is why 479 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,120 she's got a really terrible relationship with her pendulum. 480 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,760 I know. Well, I do. 481 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,360 I do keep them. It was my grandfather's old 482 00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:18,720 bookcase, which I've redecorated, painted it and 483 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,520 sanded it down. And pretty much all my 484 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,200 divination tools are on this bookcase. 485 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,800 So I've got like a Ouija board. I've got my Taro and oracles. 486 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,280 My bones are actually on my altar and my ruins are on my 487 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,440 altar, but I don't know what it is like. 488 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,760 I've done all that. I've I've Right. 489 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,240 I'm pausing now because the bloody chain on the pendulum is 490 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,080 moving. But yeah. 491 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:46,080 You're kidding. I I got goosebumps. 492 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,480 I got chicken skin. I'm telling you now. 493 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,200 Well, because you're the anonymous, which we can't even 494 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,320 bloody see it. How brilliant is that? 495 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,280 This pendulum. Live Supernatural podcast here 496 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,320 we come. It is append. 497 00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:05,040 This was my mother. She gave it to me and I did, you 498 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,800 know, clear it and charge it. But it's one for the chakras, so 499 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,720 it's got lots of different coloured crystals. 500 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,400 Oh beautiful. Well can you? 501 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,560 Can you do a video on it and on and post it to your socials? 502 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,840 What of me working with that? No, or just just of it. 503 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,480 Just say that when when we come to release this podcast, people 504 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,240 can go onto your socials and they can see it. 505 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,160 Because if it was me, I'd be like, I wonder what it looks 506 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,600 like. See, Anon likes to say that she 507 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,440 doesn't work with pend pendulums. 508 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,320 Yes, but I have seen pendulums working even when they're not 509 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:45,280 pendulums within her space. Oh yeah, the fan. 510 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,400 Literally. Literally. 511 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:48,960 You were talking to them, weren't they? 512 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,480 Both of us were asking it questions because I said to you, 513 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,680 you're not going to believe this, but look at this. 514 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,080 And you were like, wow. And it was such a weird thing. 515 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,960 It was such a weird thing because have I ever had a fan 516 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,920 pull work as a pendulum ever before? 517 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,560 But we both of us checked the clarification questions with it 518 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,520 and it was absolutely going. It was absolutely going. 519 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,160 But it wasn't just, oh, there's a bit of a breeze and I'm just 520 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,880 going to move. It was swinging like nobody's 521 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,120 business. So that wasn't coming through 522 00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:20,120 anybody's. It wasn't coming through either 523 00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:24,200 of us holding it at all. It was literally going for it. 524 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,360 It was, it was mad. It was mad. 525 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,960 So Annon, if you don't work with your pendulum as much, what is 526 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,600 your preferred method of divination? 527 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,800 Then what do you work with? Preferred 1. 528 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,040 I don't know the name of it because I think they've all got 529 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,000 specific names, but for me it's weather where the divination. 530 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,880 I adore watching the raindrops on the windows. 531 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,520 I love looking at how the the branches of the trees are 532 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,880 moving, looking at the imagery within the clouds on a really 533 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,400 stormy day, even, you know, even when the, the the sky is grey, 534 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,800 you can see movement, you can see shifts and patterns. 535 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,960 And I adore that and and even how the sunlight comes through 536 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:12,840 the clouds that I I've always done it and that's one of my to 537 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,120 go to ones. And it's a really good one to do 538 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:18,000 as well on the go. We are to hear the birds then 539 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,200 confirming that. Thank you, crows. 540 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,960 But yeah, it's, it's something that you can do on the go. 541 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,120 It's something that you're out in nature and if you've got a 542 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:33,000 question, you know, make it clear, make it concise and use 543 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,840 the environment around you, you know, use what's already there. 544 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,640 You don't have to go out and buy things. 545 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,880 Now I am a bit of a magpie. I've got loads, but there's 546 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:48,120 something so ancient and natural about working in nature with 547 00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:50,280 divination. I was just going to say it's 548 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,560 such an ancient practice because, you know, there was no 549 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,040 tarot cards before the 1500s. There was definitely no bloody 550 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,800 Oracle cards. They're much more of a new 551 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,080 thing. Pendulums, I guess, maybe I 552 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,200 don't know the history around them, but you know, you can 553 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,080 swing anything on a on the end of something and have it connect 554 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,600 to your energy. But yeah, so you did say that 555 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,240 you've got runes as well. Do you work with runes at all? 556 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,000 Not much, not much. I, I honestly, I'm, I'm not the 557 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,400 person to ask about it. I've, I've been gifted them by a 558 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:26,920 couple of different people. I've got about three sets and 559 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,720 they call to me. I am intrigued by them but I 560 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,240 feel that I won't give them enough justice because I don't 561 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,720 know enough about them yet. I feel like I need to work with 562 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,600 them but I haven't researched them enough if that makes sense. 563 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:48,880 Like I love working with bones and charms and I feel the need 564 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,560 to work with rooms. They're always charging but I 565 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,240 don't feel like I know them enough yet. 566 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,800 Like I haven't built up that relationship yet with them. 567 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,520 Yeah, I've got some rooms and I found in a charity shop actually 568 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,760 a book rooms for beginners. They've just never, I've read 569 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,040 the book, I've gone through the rooms a couple of times. 570 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,480 I've thrown them because you cast rooms, don't you? 571 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,440 And there's different ways from what I know, you cast them and 572 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,000 then certain ones are turned over so you can, and then you 573 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,600 turn them, you take those away if they're facing down and then 574 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,960 you're left with the message basically after you cast them. 575 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,640 But I guess there's a number of ways that you can work with 576 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,200 rooms. But it's not something that's 577 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,560 ever really called to me either. You know, They are, they are a 578 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,160 divination method. Victoria, have you ever worked 579 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,400 with them? Yeah, so I was gifted some 580 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,360 around about you all time because I've always fancied 581 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,200 some, couldn't ever really get my head around them. 582 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,680 Then I was gifted some connected with them and I'm just stepping 583 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:49,000 into using them with with and alongside other divination 584 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,680 methods that I'm that I'm really good at. 585 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,640 That's not true to my own horn. I'm really used to doing those 586 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,800 divination methods and then I'll cast the rooms and see how they 587 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,400 sit with it so I can kind of work my way around it. 588 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,160 Does that make sense? No, it does. 589 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,520 But I think because rooms are so specifically knowledge based and 590 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,680 like Anna was saying before, you like a reading where there's a 591 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,640 lot of intuition into that reading of what that person is 592 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:14,960 saying. And you can't do that with a 593 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,840 room. You know what the meaning is, 594 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,920 you may know the question, so then you can tailor that rune 595 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,640 meaning to the answer, but it's not necessarily intuitive. 596 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,040 I mean, I may be upsetting people here, but there's less. 597 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,640 You can't look at the image of a rune. 598 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,120 It is what it is. It's that meaning and that 599 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,480 meaning alone. I think you can create a story 600 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,480 with runes. I've heard of people when 601 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,520 they're reading the runes, connect the pathways of the 602 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,080 ruins and how they fall and where they've fallen. 603 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:48,000 So you you can create a potential pathway with it or or 604 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,640 like a storyline. But again, I don't know enough 605 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,640 about it to feel like I'm the right person to discuss it, if 606 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,360 that. Yeah, so maybe then we need to 607 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:03,080 find a N Pagan, get them on the podcast, give them an interview 608 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,000 and ask specifically about rooms because you know, there will be, 609 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,120 I think really interested in it. Yeah, I think that would be a 610 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,440 really good idea because I'm only just dipping my toe into 611 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,760 runes and I'm finding the journey really interesting. 612 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,200 I'm enjoying it, I'm enjoying working with them, but I'm no 613 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,000 expert in it. Oh, there we go. 614 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,000 That's what we're going to do next. 615 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,720 Then we're going to find somebody to teach us all the 616 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,720 runes. And if they're a fit Viking, 617 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,120 even better for Anon. That's my mission. 618 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:35,200 OK, so scrying, scrying, you can do this in a number of ways, 619 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,040 right? We can describe with water 620 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,360 again, this is really ancient because you don't need tools. 621 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,720 I mean, a mirror is another way of scrying. 622 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:49,960 Smoke ancient, flames ancient. I use ink and I heard you 623 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,840 mention that before Victoria, I purchased this. 624 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,760 So this is magically charged ink, so it's got some magical 625 00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,680 correspondences in there and then you dip into it. 626 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,920 But I love it. It's such a cool way to 627 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,280 divinate. Absolutely adore it. 628 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,480 Does it because it moves and it tells the stories it's moving 629 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,840 and you can see, you know, is it making a tentacle for an 630 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,240 octopus? Is it got flame things going on? 631 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,840 Is it moving in an emotional way? 632 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:20,200 I love love ink reading and I actually make my own inks for it 633 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,360 as well so. You didn't mention that to me 634 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,680 before, so I will. So I need some vent from you. 635 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,480 Some magical ink. Yeah, exactly. 636 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,320 Do you use scrying? I've got a feeling Anon. 637 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,600 You're probably an Obsidian scryer. 638 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,440 Yes. See, I'm acting like that. 639 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,080 I guess that like I'm so magic. But maybe you've shown me that 640 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,360 you had a. Yeah, but. 641 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:46,960 I didn't. I thought I guessed it. 642 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,920 Then obviously I already knew it secretly in my head. 643 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:56,720 I, I do love mirror work. It's really important to know 644 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,720 what you're doing with with mirror work though. 645 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:04,040 Knowing how to protect the mirror, to charge it, to lock 646 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,280 it, when to open it, and a specific mirror for scrying. 647 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,800 Not your kind of everyday mirror that you walk past every day or 648 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,080 something that your children would lock in either. 649 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,040 It's a very, very specific mirror, like every reflective 650 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,080 surface. And I know this sounds quite 651 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:25,760 over the top, but genuinely I have locked in this house and 652 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:31,440 that includes TV screens. But I adore it because it really 653 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,760 takes me to a meditative state when I'm scrying with an 654 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:40,320 Obsidian mirror or even with my normal specific handheld mirror. 655 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,640 And when you start, I think I did a video on this ages ago, 656 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,240 you, you do sometimes meet what people describe as the hag. 657 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,040 And it's not a very nice terminology, but essentially it, 658 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,200 the image that you see in the mirror is what would be classed 659 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:03,320 as an older woman, your typical image of what witches were 660 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,880 betrayed to be then, you know, hundreds of years ago. 661 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,840 And at first when when you see this, you, you are going to be 662 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,639 scared, you know, you are going to be a bit fearful of it. 663 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,679 But it's about getting past that. 664 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:20,600 It's about understanding the images that you see. 665 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:25,199 And now when I do certain scrying, I do meet her as a 666 00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:30,159 friend, as a companion, as a guardian, and I do view her now 667 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:33,120 as the guardian for when I'm doing my scrying work. 668 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,960 Yeah, and it's really important and it's not about fear based, 669 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,520 but you're right, because when we're using these reflective 670 00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:46,000 mirrors and scrying tools, we are using them as portals to 671 00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,080 divinate with spirit. So it leaves them open. 672 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,360 So again, it isn't fear based, but it's a really good practice 673 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,880 to look around protection and locking mirrors. 674 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,000 You can do this symbolically with a key. 675 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,240 You can stand and use your intuition to lock, which is what 676 00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:03,720 I do. I've got a key that locks 677 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,320 reflective mirrors in my home that I keep specifically for 678 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,680 that purpose. But you can do protective 679 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:14,640 symbols like a pentacle in each corner or something that you 680 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,240 know and use saliva as well as a really good one. 681 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,800 It's not about fear based, but if you're going to use these 682 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,120 tools to connect with Spirit, then you should be making sure 683 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,480 that it's protected as well, just like yourself when you're 684 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,320 working with Spirit too, right? Yeah, absolutely. 685 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:29,760 Yeah. Do you know what? 686 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,240 I think it brings up a really important point, doesn't it? 687 00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:36,360 Because not every divination method is going to suit 688 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,360 everybody. So do I use mirrors? 689 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,120 Yes. Do I use them for divination? 690 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,080 No. I just, it is not something I 691 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,520 do. I have tried, didn't have the 692 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,560 best of experiences, didn't push through it for it was a definite 693 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,680 I'm not doing that. Keep them locked. 694 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,560 I do use mirrors. I use them in workings as and 695 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,160 when I need to, but I'm very, very careful with reflections 696 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,480 and portals and stuff as I'm doing that. 697 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,640 So for anybody who is newer or looking into this or a bit which 698 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,480 curious and you're looking into divination, no, whether it's 699 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,440 pendulums, whether it's mirrors, whether it's anything that 700 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,440 you're doing, if it doesn't sit with you, you don't need to push 701 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,160 through it. It's not I have to do this 702 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,000 because I want to do witchcraft. That's absolutely fine. 703 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,480 You're going to find your comfort with it. 704 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:29,920 I have a crystal ball. Sorry I took the I cover it and 705 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,080 it just fell. It just fell as I was taking the 706 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,640 cover off of it. But this isn't so I have it. 707 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,520 The way I would use this is I would put a candle behind it. 708 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,800 I'd lower my gaze and I love it because it feels super witchy, 709 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,480 but I don't work with it very often because it just doesn't 710 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,600 really connect with me. It's not part of my divination 711 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,680 toolbox, but it's still super cool and witchy. 712 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,960 But I give it a go and now I keep it and I'm smashing. 713 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,920 You ready? Yeah. 714 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,160 Oh, I'm sure mine's bigger than yours. 715 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,200 Oh, is it bigger? Oh, I don't know. 716 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:03,480 Mine's not on his stand at the moment. 717 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,880 I've just taken it off. Really love it. 718 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,480 I I love it. Do I use it much for divination? 719 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:08,840 No. I. 720 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,120 Don't understand. Yeah, same. 721 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,720 I don't use it much for divination either, but I will I 722 00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:17,320 will on occasion. Back underneath its cover. 723 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:18,280 And that's the other thing as well. 724 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,120 If you've got crystal balls, cover them. 725 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,120 Nice soft black velvet cloth. So Anon, you did talk about bone 726 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,240 throwing and charm cast and see this. 727 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,480 This is something that definitely calls to me. 728 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,880 I have on my desk. I think I was just showing 729 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,880 YouTube before I come live. I've got lots of little bones so 730 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:38,520 I keep collecting with the view to create my own casting set, 731 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,160 but then I never have the bloody time. 732 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,160 I'd love to, I'd love to. I think one day I will, but it's 733 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,880 going to be a while off. So I I don't think I'd work with 734 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,880 charms per SE, but definitely a bone throwing set. 735 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,680 But have you got 1? Yeah, So the bones I've 736 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:58,800 collected over a while have all been like ethically sourced, 737 00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:01,760 treated with care, respect, love. 738 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,760 I mean, even if I bought like a big, you know, piece of chicken 739 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,320 to cup for a Sunday dinner, I will find a little bit of bone 740 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,800 from that. And obviously you clean and then 741 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,360 you place them somewhere to charge. 742 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,880 And the charms I use, so I say charms. 743 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,040 I don't mean like little silver charms you would have on your 744 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,560 bracelet, but absolutely, you can use them. 745 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,040 But it can be things like shells I might find on the beach, 746 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,960 little pebbles, feathers, I've got little twigs, I've got a 747 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,280 leaf. And so essentially each bone to 748 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,120 me is uniquely different. Now to somebody else they might 749 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,120 all look the same. Every object, every bone has 750 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:46,000 been given a specific meaning and has a specific symbology 751 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,880 around it. So 1 might be to do with luck, 1 752 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:54,320 might be connected to money, finances, etcetera. 753 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:59,240 So the list goes on. And then you decipher if it's in 754 00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:02,720 this direction facing north or if it's sideways on. 755 00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:06,720 What does that mean to you? Does that represent a blockage? 756 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,600 Does that represent a yes and no? 757 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,600 What is the maybe, what would that look like if I cast it? 758 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,360 Where you cast it? The symbology that you place on 759 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:23,880 the the wooden surface or I use a slate like like a, what would 760 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:28,240 you call those like plate caster things you put your plate on. 761 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,680 I just put one of them in sleep and then you can say then you 762 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,080 can either direct it as a circle and anything outside of the 763 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,280 circle means something. Where it lands in the circle, 764 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,040 whether it's more towards you might represent the immediate. 765 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:49,120 Now further north in the circle might represent the feature to 766 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,600 the left and to the right of the main centre point might mean a 767 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,960 variety of different things. Essentially how you throw in 768 00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,080 what meaning you put into it is uniquely yours. 769 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,680 Does that make sense? Yeah. 770 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:04,800 Yeah, it does. It does. 771 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,360 And and I like that because what you've done is broken down 772 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,720 something that, again, has got a lot of mysticism around it. 773 00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:13,720 You see people throwing bones, but what does that mean? 774 00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:18,280 And ultimately, that set is unique to the Divinator, to the 775 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,000 person using it. They've all got their energetic 776 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,640 imprints. That bone means this. 777 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:28,280 This bone means that how I throw and cast the bones means that 778 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,520 specifically for me. Yeah, it's interesting. 779 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:35,560 So I've been charm casting for a while and then I slowly moved 780 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,840 over to adding more bones into my set. 781 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,320 So now I'm sort of more bone throwing as such, but I still 782 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,440 charm cast. I still have charms. 783 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,640 Again, I'm not using this sort of the, once you get on 784 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,160 bracelets and stuff, they're little bits and bobs that I 785 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,840 found over the years that have spoken to me and they mean a 786 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,960 specific thing. And I think a lot of it is it, a 787 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,880 lot of it is about the movement without within, within where you 788 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,520 are. So you might have a movement 789 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,120 from a bone that comes round and down, but it suddenly gets 790 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,480 blocked off by another piece that means something. 791 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,360 And it's that flow through and you can really read it. 792 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,360 It's great. Yeah, it is. 793 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,600 I absolutely adore it. But at the rate I'm collecting 794 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,800 my bits, it's going to be, I'm going to be 75. 795 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,280 You've got, oh, girls bone throwing. 796 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,320 Do you remember when she talked about that 30 years ago? 797 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,400 And then, yeah. But that's. 798 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,960 Yeah, I will. I've, I've got lots of bits, but 799 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,440 I just need to take the time to really connect. 800 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,320 And you're right, you collect things and maybe that's that. 801 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:37,960 Maybe that's the path for me. Actually. 802 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,840 It's about collecting them over time and not trying to rush and 803 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,760 create a set that's just I'm going to write. 804 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,280 That means they're assessed means that it's more about what 805 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,080 it means because I've collected them at the time. 806 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,160 I picked up some, some bits when I was in Australia as well. 807 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,840 And I'm like, right, that will be part of my set. 808 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,440 And you know, six months has passed and, and we're, we're 809 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,800 still collecting and I can, I'm sure I will be forever. 810 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,040 OK. And on I did want to say to you, 811 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,160 you haven't mentioned it, but I know that you do palm reading. 812 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,320 I, I won't go into it in too much detail. 813 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,320 I've always been fascinated with it. 814 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,440 I've never actually had my palm read. 815 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,520 I didn't on the weekend because we may or may not have had too 816 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,400 much wine and it wasn't appropriate to get me palm out. 817 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,680 But is this something you've been doing for years? 818 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,400 Do you, how have you learnt it? I'd love to know more about it. 819 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:37,200 So yeah, there are methods that you can research, you can look 820 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,880 at. So basically with palmistry, 821 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,760 it's the hand in its entirety. You can look at the back of the 822 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:48,360 hand, the nail structures, the length of the fingers, where you 823 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:54,440 have puffiness on the hand, me looking mean, separate things, 824 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,240 how deep the lines are, how faint the lines are, are they 825 00:42:58,240 --> 00:42:59,760 straight? Are they curved? 826 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,480 Do they fork at the end? Sorry to interrupt you. 827 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,880 So I always wondered because obviously as I'm aging, my hands 828 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,400 are getting wrinkler and the lines are becoming more 829 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,560 crinkled. So does does that mean, well I 830 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,800 guess it changes over time, but some of the the fated 831 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,400 information that you can get from Palmistry, does that also 832 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:26,040 change over time as well? Well, so they say if if you are 833 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,440 right-handed, they class that. So the hand that you write with 834 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,700 is your dominant hand, right? So they say that is quote UN 835 00:43:33,700 --> 00:43:37,840 quote your future path, your left hand, then the one that you 836 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,920 is non dominant is your past, what you've already come from, 837 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,720 what you've come through. And if you look at each palm, 838 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,720 there is going to be differences there. 839 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,280 I'm now looking at my hands. I don't do palm reading. 840 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:51,880 I find this. Fascinating. 841 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,040 So do I, but can you tell me where do I need to look to see 842 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,640 if I'm going to be rich and famous? 843 00:43:57,240 --> 00:44:03,760 You already are very famous. Well, we knew that we no, but it 844 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,240 is it's it's another fascinating subject. 845 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,440 I've mentioned this to Victoria before. 846 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,640 For me, a lot of the tools we use is a tool. 847 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,960 I already know a lot of the answers before I touch the 848 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,160 tarot, before I touch the pendulum. 849 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,080 And what I'm also doing by touching someone's hand is that 850 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,040 I'm reading your energy. Yeah. 851 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,680 So I'm, I'm one of these people that can hold a piece of 852 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,200 someone's jewellery. I can read the back of a picture 853 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:37,640 frame or a picture. So when I I'm not only looking 854 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:42,280 at the line structure and the mounds and the puffiness on the 855 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,840 hand and how the fingers lie, but I'm also picking up if, if 856 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,240 I'm able to, if I've had consent to, is to connect to any 857 00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:53,800 ancestors as well and your spirit guide. 858 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,440 And I'm also reading and picking up on your energies. 859 00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,720 And again, this is all consensual. 860 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,040 This is all, and it's not guaranteed every time either. 861 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:06,080 I think when people say that they're going to a medium or 862 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,920 psychic, it's like instantly you're going to be able to read. 863 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,680 For me, that's not always the case. 864 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,760 You know, sometimes there isn't always a message that needs to 865 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,760 be passed on right here, right now. 866 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:23,040 It might be that everything is OK and there's nothing but love 867 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,160 that I can give you right now, but essentially that's what I'm 868 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,560 doing. So not only am I actually 869 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,760 reading the lines and the mean end, but I'm picking up on your 870 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:37,320 energy and maybe potentially connecting to spirits. 871 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,160 Yeah. And that's really, that's a 872 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,480 really great message actually, because intuition shows up 873 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,360 differently for everybody as well, like every single witch 874 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,600 and every single person, even if you don't call yourself a witch, 875 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,160 it does show up in a different way. 876 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,200 And, and we have to remember that that also comes through 877 00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:00,080 then as a reader too. The energy that I will read on 878 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,080 Vicky is different to what Anon will read on Vicky. 879 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,920 So we've all got our individual ways of working and and you've 880 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,160 honed in on a palm reading, which I really want to do now 881 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,800 I'm looking at my palms. I'm thinking like we meet. 882 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,400 We will, well, hopefully in the future we'll do a podcast all 883 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,640 face to face because we're going to go down and invade Vicky's 884 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,520 house, basically. That's great. 885 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,560 Totally looking forward to it, I know. 886 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,040 But we'd look like real podcasters as well, wouldn't we? 887 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,600 We'd sit like, I'd have to say. With a sack on my face. 888 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,920 We'll put a big. Cabbage leaf in front of you. 889 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,400 It'll be. Oh my God no. 890 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,200 We have to find the most funny mask there's, I forget his name 891 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,560 on. He's a huge, huge creator, but 892 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:47,600 he gets absolutely obsessed with wearing like Spider Man masks. 893 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,480 Have. You seen them? 894 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,680 The guy does the huge, oh, I can't remember his bloody name. 895 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,640 He's so funny. And he goes wow, wow. 896 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:54,800 And he's got this spider man. He said. 897 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:55,880 I'm just going to go to work like this. 898 00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:00,000 So you're going to wear like we'll find, we'll find best 899 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,440 mask, Yeah. Cabbage leaf, though, isn't a 900 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:03,560 bad show. We could. 901 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,600 Just do little eye holes, you know, it'd be great. 902 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:10,560 So ethics in divination then? It goes without saying, consent 903 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,760 is a big one. It's a huge one. 904 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,320 And do you know what, it's a really, there is some grey areas 905 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,400 here because I do do personal readings and I'm guessing you 906 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,520 guys do them for friends and family. 907 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,520 And sometimes people do want to ask about other people. 908 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,560 And you have to kind of manoeuvre that in a really 909 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,560 structured way. Because yes, if you're asking 910 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,280 about something that's going to impact you from another person, 911 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:35,920 that's a really valid thing to do. 912 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,600 But if we're asking to read on someone else's behalf, that's 913 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,160 really questionable, right? It's tapping into somebody 914 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:44,560 else's energy without their consent. 915 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,360 And I would always veer away from that. 916 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,880 I mean, how are you guys aligned to that kind of viewpoint? 917 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,080 Because if you remember in the last podcast that we did, we 918 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:55,280 were talking about is there a line? 919 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,640 And Vicky went, no, there's no line. 920 00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:57,880 And then we. Yeah, there are lines. 921 00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:59,560 Oh, there we go. Oh, there's the line. 922 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,680 Oh, there are. There are ethical lines. 923 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,080 There are there. Are ethical lines and I think I 924 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,520 was more talking about with what regard to what work in you might 925 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:10,960 do. I don't have lines. 926 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,400 Do I have ethical lines and moral lines as well? 927 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:19,600 Yeah, very much so. So I am a person who naturally 928 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,880 will pick up on people. Everybody does OK, so before I 929 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,800 are going to preface this, everybody picks up on people's 930 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,840 body language, the way they're talking and all of this. 931 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,000 I happen to be particularly honed in on that. 932 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,640 I can end up with, if you like, readings for someone, a message 933 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,320 for someone, but they haven't asked for it. 934 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,400 That has to be put to the side because it's not my place to 935 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,280 necessarily say they haven't asked for it with regard to 936 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,920 let's should we, should we do the elephant in the room love 937 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,640 readings? Yeah, yeah, OK. 938 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:52,880 Love readings. I won't do them. 939 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,560 OK #1 the person. Yeah, I won't do love readings. 940 00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,400 So when you say love readings, is this about my? 941 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,920 Does my crush love me? Right. 942 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,120 Is my husband? Is my husband cheating? 943 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,600 Right. Is my husband cheating? 944 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,480 Now? There's an ethics value on this 945 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,600 because you're reading somebody else's energy. 946 00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:18,520 Number two, look, if you're asking the question, you 947 00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,120 probably already know the answer. 948 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,400 You don't need me to tell you. Yeah. 949 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,400 OK, So the husband, you're not going to like it, and I'm going 950 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,880 to say it really, really gently. The husband cheating thing, if 951 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:34,240 your heckles are already up, there is something already wrong 952 00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:38,960 within your dynamic, whether that's cheating or not. 953 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:44,400 I will say that you have to have a conversation and read how they 954 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,920 react to those questions that you're asking them because 955 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,440 everybody has body language tells, OK, because like I say to 956 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,760 you, Oh yes, well, read your own partner. 957 00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:58,000 You already know what their patterns are. 958 00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:02,280 If something is raising a Heckle, then you need to ask 959 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,960 yourself what is it? And ask somebody direct with 960 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,600 regard to crushes. I know it's really embarrassing 961 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:07,960 to go up to your crush, but you know what? 962 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,120 Go up and talk to them. You're going to find out if they 963 00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,040 like you. It's, and I know it's so awful, 964 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,560 isn't it? But you think, oh, I want to 965 00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,320 know, should I approach them and should I do this? 966 00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,040 Look, somebody who really likes you is probably going to make it 967 00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,600 known they're going to, you know, the old school way of 968 00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,080 dating and looking across the pub and, and all this. 969 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,200 Bring it back. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. 970 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,320 So I say so I'll, I'll, I'll jump in here because obviously I 971 00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,000 do a lot of readings. Not all of them actually 972 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,720 surprisingly, are about love, but I have had quite a few. 973 00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:46,200 I would say it's probably about 20% of my readings. 974 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,160 And the way that I approach it is very, very similar to the way 975 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,040 that you've just done it. So I'm happy to read the energy 976 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,280 of the cards. I always explain this is the 977 00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,080 direction. This is the energy, Sorry that 978 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,840 we can give you. It can give you direction, but 979 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,840 it's not giving you the answer. And then I will also give my 980 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,920 human perspective and I will separate the 2. 981 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:11,160 So if we're talking about a cheating scenario or is somebody 982 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,480 not in love with me anymore and that kind of stuff, I go on a 983 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,440 personal level. I can read. 984 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,600 I know if you're asking me that question, why are you, why are 985 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:20,880 you questioning it in the first place? 986 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,960 What does that feel like that Then it becomes a bit more of a 987 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,160 coaching on your own intuition type conversation before we go 988 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:29,960 to the energy of what the cards are saying. 989 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,880 Because yes, I can say, oh, OK, this situation's we've got some 990 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,360 turmoil, some conflict. We've got the five of bloody 991 00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,600 ones coming out. Absolutely there's some 992 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,760 challenge coming up. But you know that because you're 993 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,880 asking the question, you know there is because there's 994 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,160 something going wrong. So it's also, yeah, I think. 995 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,040 And that's, that's the way I like to approach readings. 996 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,560 And I make that evidently clear at the beginning that I'm also 997 00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,520 not because sometimes people will come and ask for a reading 998 00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,680 and they're expecting a loved one to come back from spirit. 999 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,720 So it's really, it's really key. Sorry, I've digressed slightly, 1000 00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:07,360 but it's also really key at the beginning of any reading to 1001 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,080 explain exactly what the reading is for. 1002 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,840 So you know, the ethics around making sure that people 1003 00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,600 understand what they're, they're there for. 1004 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,680 If you've had a reading before, yes. 1005 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,800 What's your expectation of the reading? 1006 00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,560 Well, I'm, I'm kind of seeing if my granddad's going to come 1007 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,160 through, I'll go. Well, that's actually mediumship 1008 00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:26,840 and they go, oh, I want to know what's going to happen in the 1009 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,640 future. Well, that's psychic ability. 1010 00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,800 What I do is read energy of cards. 1011 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,520 I sometimes get intuitive messages from spirit, but it's 1012 00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,080 not part of the way that I operate. 1013 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,320 But some people do. So again, if you are going down 1014 00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:43,040 that road of making sure the right reader is for you 1015 00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,720 ethically, then you need to make sure you're picking the right 1016 00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:49,720 person to do a reading as well. Because I wouldn't be it. 1017 00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:52,560 If you're looking to speak to your granddad, that's not who I 1018 00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:53,880 am. If you're looking for me to tell 1019 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,560 you what's happening in the next three months, again, I can't do 1020 00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:57,920 that. I can only energetically have a 1021 00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,040 look where the cards are showing things could happen, but it's 1022 00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,400 not fated or determined by that anyway. 1023 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,760 Just went on a bit of a ramp, but it but it is a very 1024 00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:12,160 important conversation to have because some people will just 1025 00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,440 read and they don't ask those type of questions at the start 1026 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,440 of a reading and they're telling you all sorts of things that 1027 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,120 maybe you didn't even want to know. 1028 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,280 And I just want to say, and it's, it's to protect our 1029 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,560 listeners as well. You know, there are people who 1030 00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,640 don't read but make a lot of money out of reading. 1031 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,400 There are people who will tell you what you want to hear. 1032 00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,440 I'm not saying every reading should be what you don't want to 1033 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,080 hear. It's just you need the ethics 1034 00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:39,960 conversation first. Yeah. 1035 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,800 And that that does lead on actually to the point about fear 1036 00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,000 based readings. And I'm really interested to 1037 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,800 know Vicky and Juan, because you 2 are particularly connected to 1038 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,080 spiritual messaging. And if you're reading somebody 1039 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,280 and something comes through or you get an inkling of something 1040 00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,640 that wouldn't be great to tell someone, you know, you know that 1041 00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,640 I'm going to get run over by a bus next week. 1042 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,560 Why is that so funny? Please don't tell me you've seen 1043 00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,480 that. I mean, no, I'm not worried 1044 00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,480 about it. But again, it's like, but what 1045 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,720 I'm saying is some people might, you know, ethically, where did 1046 00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:16,320 we land on that? Telling people that happened to 1047 00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,360 me be a base stuff but you but you were going to get run over 1048 00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,080 by a bus. No, no, no, I it happened to me 1049 00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,960 where genuinely where I was having a reading and I won't go 1050 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,600 too much into it, but they basically said that I was going 1051 00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:33,160 to become like horrifically unwell, very, very unwell in the 1052 00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,400 new picture. Now, this isn't recent. 1053 00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:41,600 I will add, I was, you know, late 20s, early 30s, something 1054 00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,160 like that. And I'm telling you now, I left 1055 00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:50,760 that reading with so much anxiety, so much stress. 1056 00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:57,720 The one thing it did was make me evaluate how I was treating my 1057 00:54:57,720 --> 00:55:02,880 life is what I will say to that. Because as a reader myself, I 1058 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:07,600 know that what we get in a reading like what GAIL was 1059 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:13,040 mentioning, is a variety of pathways in the here and now 1060 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,320 when we're reading energetically. 1061 00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,280 And what you do with that information is down to you and 1062 00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,840 again, dependent on the reader and what they can offer you. 1063 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:27,320 And I decided to be incredibly health conscious. 1064 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,480 I probably took it too far really on reflection looking 1065 00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:36,320 back, but I was incredibly scared for a long, long time 1066 00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:40,840 after that reading. And to be honest with you, I 1067 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,640 think there might have been a better way for that person to 1068 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,760 have explained something better in regards to just, you know, 1069 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,960 maybe decide to be a little bit more healthy, you know, make 1070 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,200 healthier choices. I don't know, something along 1071 00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,720 those lines. Verbalize it in a in a, in a 1072 00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:04,480 healthier way, but for months. And this person actually gave me 1073 00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:09,640 a timeline of when I was going to be like horrifically unwell. 1074 00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,760 And it was like counting the minutes down, you know, I was so 1075 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:20,880 anxious and scared and worried. And I've never been back to that 1076 00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,400 person ever since. And I've actually heard quite a 1077 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,160 lot of of fear mongering as well. 1078 00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,200 Needless to say, that illness never came to fruition, right? 1079 00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:32,880 No. But you're right. 1080 00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,200 But but if there is, if there is such a thing or you ever are 1081 00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,280 reading for somebody and you feel like there's a message that 1082 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,320 should be shared, like you say, just say, oh, actually there 1083 00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,000 might be something coming up for you in the future. 1084 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,560 Maybe you should have a look at you know, your knees might get a 1085 00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,080 little bit wobbly. Maybe you should look after that 1086 00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,800 area a little bit more. There's a way of delivering that 1087 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,120 stuff if it feels like it's a message you need to share. 1088 00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,000 But fear based, fear based messaging is just such a fucking 1089 00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,160 red flag. That sounds horrendous. 1090 00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,160 I've never had that. I'd be, I'd be really. 1091 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,360 Yeah. It's really disappointing that 1092 00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,720 readers still behave that way because there's no absolutes, 1093 00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:09,200 right? There's nothing that is actually 1094 00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:14,440 as as psychics, mediums, divinators. 1095 00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,720 There are no absolutes because we are still layered into a 1096 00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,560 human existence. And that is what fucks us all 1097 00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,200 up, unfortunately. But it does add that layer of 1098 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:29,080 realism so when we are divinating, yet some of us are 1099 00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,280 better than others and shit hot at it, but there are no 1100 00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,200 absolutes. Yeah. 1101 00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:39,040 So the reason I laughed when you said about, you know, people 1102 00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,000 maybe dying in the future is that is actually one of the 1103 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:47,960 things that I do. I don't mean to, but I do 1104 00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,120 actually predict within a six. Oh, you're not reading me back. 1105 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:52,360 No, no. No, no. 1106 00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:53,880 So. You can piss right off. 1107 00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,280 We ain't going down there and on. 1108 00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,160 We're not going down there. You can keep your fruit. 1109 00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,600 Keep your fruit where the sun don't shine. 1110 00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,800 It's a horrible thing. It's a horrible thing to to do 1111 00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,680 is it's a horrible talent to have talent gift, whatever you 1112 00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,240 want to call it. I'm well known for it within my 1113 00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:17,760 friends and family circle and I have a six month prediction 1114 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,800 window. Oh, I'm tempted now. 1115 00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,200 Don't I? I don't. 1116 00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,480 I don't I block that off. I don't answer people's. 1117 00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,080 But I don't. Well, it's also like not many 1118 00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,040 people want to know, is it to be honest? 1119 00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,720 It's a horrible thing to actually know and I said. 1120 00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,160 To own as a gift, right? Do you feel that's that's quite 1121 00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,920 challenging to own as a as a gift? 1122 00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,240 Yeah, so it, it took a long time for me to get my head round 1123 00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,520 because what do you do with that information? 1124 00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,800 No, and #1 very few people are going to ask, am I going to die 1125 00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,360 within the next six months? So there you are minding your 1126 00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:57,800 own business, basically get a download of, oh, there's a 1127 00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,720 problem with this person. So now what do you do with that 1128 00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,120 information? Because I don't just go, oh, 1129 00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:05,640 they're going to die within six months. 1130 00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,400 I actually see the circumstances. 1131 00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,000 Oh see, that's the bit I don't want to know. 1132 00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,000 I'm not worried about dying. I can get over there, but I know 1133 00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,840 not all of it's pleasant. It's. 1134 00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,080 Interesting. So I predicted when my sister 1135 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,560 was going to die. It's clarified by the fact that 1136 00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,480 I'd actually told my husband. I've had a really bad feeling. 1137 00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,160 I told him exactly what happened and within six months she died 1138 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,000 within those exact circumstances. 1139 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,320 Did I tell her? Absolutely bloody not. 1140 00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,120 And it's not just one time this happened. 1141 00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:36,480 I've done it throughout the whole of my life. 1142 00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,880 So ethically, I don't tell people you can't change what's 1143 00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:41,920 going to happen. All you're going to do is make 1144 00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,280 them miserable for six months. What do you do with that 1145 00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,800 information? And ethically, we stay away from 1146 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,760 you, basically. I wouldn't. 1147 00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,640 Tell you so, if anybody sees the wiggly green witch out and 1148 00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,000 about, do not go over and shake her hand. 1149 00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:57,800 Yeah, just don't. Don't do it. 1150 00:59:58,240 --> 00:59:59,880 Don't do it. I mean, it's a gift. 1151 00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:02,000 To have. Yeah, I shouldn't make a joke 1152 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,640 out of it. I mean, it's, it's an incredible 1153 01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,080 validation for your spiritual practice. 1154 01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:08,720 It's not a fun thing. To do though. 1155 01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:10,600 But it's not yet. Yeah. 1156 01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,120 In terms of owning that kind of information, yeah. 1157 01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,520 I I don't know how I could. I don't know how I would deal 1158 01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,120 with that. Although you 2 know me fairly 1159 01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:19,920 well now. I don't retain a lot of 1160 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,520 information very well. Things fall out of my head. 1161 01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,600 So if I went, Oh my God, Vicky's going to die in six months, I'd 1162 01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,800 probably forget by later on. I'd be like which? 1163 01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,400 Is ideal, which is absolutely ideal. 1164 01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:31,840 Yeah, I. Forgot I forgot I would do that 1165 01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:33,480 information. But I do. 1166 01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,840 What I do, though, is my very long-suffering husband. 1167 01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,720 When I get one of these things, I tell him because I get it out 1168 01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,200 of my head. And I. 1169 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,240 Feel like I've told somebody. Unless it's not him, yeah. 1170 01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:49,520 You journal it. I know I don't journal it, but I 1171 01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,120 but I feel like I have to tell someone. 1172 01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,080 So as long as it's a safe person, I can tell. 1173 01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:58,520 I tell my husband basically, and I say this is going to happen 1174 01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:03,800 and and he goes all right, then Beck and then sure enough, sure, 1175 01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,560 his eggs, his eggs, but at least. 1176 01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,600 So that's how come we've ended up validating it. 1177 01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,280 Jaw as eggs as eggs. I'm coming up with. 1178 01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,800 All the sayings you are, you're going to be, you're going to be 1179 01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,160 the free the freeze lady as sure as eggs as eggs. 1180 01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:18,800 I've never heard that in my life. 1181 01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,560 Have you not heard that I've? Never heard. 1182 01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:23,760 Have you heard that, Anon? No. 1183 01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,080 Yeah. Oh, I want to say you're as old 1184 01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,960 as she is, but you're not. So rude. 1185 01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:32,440 I know I'm the grandma of the group. 1186 01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:36,160 You are, you are so not. What are you, like three years 1187 01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:37,400 old at? Five years older than me? 1188 01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,680 That's nothing. Yeah, that's not. 1189 01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:40,920 School by the time you were born. 1190 01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,200 So there you go. Well, yeah, but still. 1191 01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,920 But still. OK, so if we want to teach 1192 01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:50,000 people or give people advice on how to start a divination 1193 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:54,440 practice, what advice would we give Annon do? 1194 01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,720 Well, what Annon is going to say is if you don't like your 1195 01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,360 pendulum, throw it at the fucking mall. 1196 01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:05,320 That's not advice. Well, it doesn't, you know, 1197 01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:10,400 doesn't it? Well, I like you were saying 1198 01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:14,960 before, you know, not all witches use forms of divination. 1199 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,600 Not all people that do divination call themselves 1200 01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:22,640 witches. You don't have to use forms of 1201 01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:26,080 divination. If I would say really connect 1202 01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:31,640 with what you are drawn to, what you are intrigued by, what you 1203 01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:37,640 are interested in and if that is the tarot, the Oracle, scrying, 1204 01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:42,160 etcetera, etcetera. Number one, just for, and I'm 1205 01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:46,440 going to use the word safety in a really kind of fluffy way. 1206 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:51,880 Do your research, read about it. Is there anybody that you can 1207 01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:56,280 reach out to that you trust or has a good following or has a 1208 01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:03,000 good repertoire like good reviews about doing that form of 1209 01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:08,280 divination and see if they can perhaps give you any tips or 1210 01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,360 guidance. But fundamentally, you have to 1211 01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,880 try it out yourself. You know, this is a practice and 1212 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:19,000 the more you practice and you connect with that form of tool, 1213 01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:24,680 even with nature, you know, I wasn't born reading or there we 1214 01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:26,440 are. That means this in the cloud. 1215 01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:32,120 It's over decades of practice. And sometimes it's understanding 1216 01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,640 that a lot of this will take time. 1217 01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,920 Patience, if anything witchcraft has caught, has taught me 1218 01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,000 patience. It's understanding that this 1219 01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,640 isn't a future prediction. It's understanding energy, it's 1220 01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:51,240 understanding symbology, colour, numerology and it's 1221 01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:55,840 understanding where you sit right here, right now and before 1222 01:03:55,840 --> 01:04:00,640 we do any form of divination, it's about having that clear 1223 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,880 centred mind. We're not reading when we're in 1224 01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:11,160 chaos or some form of energetic turbine, you know, kind of just 1225 01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:17,920 like emotionally unstable. We're calm, we're collected, and 1226 01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:23,000 we have a very clear idea that this, what we're reading, is a 1227 01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,400 guide. What we do with that guide, what 1228 01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,480 we do with that answer, is ultimately up to us. 1229 01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,440 I love that. I feel like we need to give our 1230 01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,880 viewpoint, but you've answered it so well. 1231 01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,720 You know, just starting is about being clear on why you're doing 1232 01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,520 it, connecting with something. Like we said, we've, we've got a 1233 01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:44,320 whole manner of things. And do you know what we didn't 1234 01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,480 talk about, Vicky? It's your bloody dowsing rods. 1235 01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,640 You've just. Brought some and I've not got 1236 01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,000 any and on you haven't got any either, have you? 1237 01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,000 I have. Oh, have you? 1238 01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,880 I'm the only one without dowsing rods. 1239 01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:58,640 But you're not going to be because when you come and 1240 01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,160 collect your veg box, you're having mine. 1241 01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,800 Because mine hate me. Mine hate me, they don't like 1242 01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,680 me, they're horrible. I've got a terrible relationship 1243 01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,680 with them and I don't want to pursue that. 1244 01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:11,720 Right. So you can have mines. 1245 01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:13,360 Annon's pissed off with their pendulum. 1246 01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:14,960 You're pissed off with the dowsing rods. 1247 01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:16,640 Yes. Do you know what, though? 1248 01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,960 I've seen people. And to be fair, when people are 1249 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,040 really well with their dowsing rods, again, there's a really 1250 01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:28,520 famous, or if you say famous, there's a really popular social 1251 01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:30,160 media person. I can't remember what she's 1252 01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,240 called. She uses that, but it makes it 1253 01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,520 look like really straightforward. 1254 01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,960 She's obviously got an amazing relationship with her dowsing 1255 01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,000 rods and with Spirit, but yeah, because. 1256 01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,040 The answers come very, very quickly. 1257 01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:47,920 Right. Again, if it's the same one that 1258 01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,960 I think you're on about, again, that is about building up a 1259 01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:55,520 relationship and it takes time and it's understanding that if 1260 01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,920 we do try dousing rods as an example, you may not get that 1261 01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:02,400 response straight away. You might not get that response 1262 01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,920 for a Goodyear. It is about an exchange of 1263 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,880 energy and it's understanding, like when the rods cross. 1264 01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:13,840 For other people that might be a no or for you that might be a 1265 01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:16,440 yes. And it's building up that 1266 01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:20,320 relationship which takes time in any relationship. 1267 01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:23,840 And what you've said and what you said about witchcraft has 1268 01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,960 taught you patience. Honestly, if I could teach 1269 01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,560 patience, all of it is patience. And we want it all now. 1270 01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:33,280 And that's the other thing for people who have started to 1271 01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,240 divinate, asking the same question over and over again is 1272 01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:39,800 not exercising our patience. It's expecting to get the answer 1273 01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:41,000 we want. So we keep asking. 1274 01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,280 We keep asking. That isn't divination. 1275 01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,360 That isn't how divination works. We need to be asking questions 1276 01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,240 when we're clear and we expect the answer and we take it on 1277 01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:51,240 board and we do something with that the. 1278 01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:53,320 Craft. The craft is like growing a 1279 01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,320 garden, isn't it? It is that patience. 1280 01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,480 It's that putting something into it. 1281 01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,760 It's, you know, sometimes it'll go its own route and you're sort 1282 01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,520 of like, oh, interesting. And sometimes it'll sting you or 1283 01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,040 give you a histamine reaction like. 1284 01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,400 Sometimes it'll, yeah, bite you in the bum. 1285 01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:14,800 So, so, but yeah, with, with, you know, I wouldn't, if my, my 1286 01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,720 advice would be don't race into divination. 1287 01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,480 I mean, I will say I'm not going to give the divining rods a 1288 01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:22,000 year. I can tell you straight away 1289 01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,720 they are not for me. I do not need patience with 1290 01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:26,920 them. I've got other methods and 1291 01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:28,760 that's absolutely fine. But some people may absolutely 1292 01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:32,000 love them. But to be fair, you brought 1293 01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,760 those divining rods just so everybody's clear on a drunk 1294 01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:36,680 spending. Yeah. 1295 01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,320 I I did I I bought 2 apple trees right? 1296 01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:45,560 Some divining rods and some steampunk sunglasses. 1297 01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,400 They are really nice though. They're so funny. 1298 01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:50,200 They are really actually very nice. 1299 01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:53,640 But that that might that might be the message actually, 1300 01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,640 Victoria, because you want to use them to divine whilst you're 1301 01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,360 drunk, but they're not for you because you didn't actually 1302 01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:00,760 connect. You weren't in a shop, you 1303 01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:04,080 weren't holding them and they. Came off Amazon, they came 1304 01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,520 drunkenly off Amazon and they hate me. 1305 01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:08,800 Do you know what I don't know? Where's your honor? 1306 01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:10,800 Your pension from your grandfather, isn't it? 1307 01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:12,480 I was just about to say, where did you get yours from? 1308 01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:15,240 But yeah, because connection's a big thing as well. 1309 01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,240 Like, we can just buy loads of shit. 1310 01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:21,760 But that relationship is, it needs to be built and felt and 1311 01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:25,240 connected. And they do with our crystals. 1312 01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,439 Vic. My mother is in the room. 1313 01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,640 Don't. Yeah, so, but this is the thing, 1314 01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,319 isn't it? Don't drunk by divination tools. 1315 01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:36,640 Oh, just don't do that. That does not, that's not going 1316 01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,000 to work particularly well. The biggest thing is when you're 1317 01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:44,399 actually going in and you're using divination is don't drink 1318 01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:46,680 while you're doing it. I mean, here's here's the 1319 01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,520 biggest thing. Yeah, maybe be clear minded. 1320 01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,640 Know what you're going to ask. Be grounded, clear the space, 1321 01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:54,640 work out what you actually want to know. 1322 01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:58,640 Be specific with that. And yeah, don't, don't keep 1323 01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:00,680 asking the same questions. Yeah. 1324 01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,520 So I've just, you know, I've done this drunk. 1325 01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:05,359 I've keep asking the same questions. 1326 01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:07,800 I've had to defer to other people who say, actually, what 1327 01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:09,920 is this? You know what, what's the 1328 01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:11,439 energy? Because I'm too close to the 1329 01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:14,160 situation. So now it's time for our come 1330 01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:16,640 sit with us listener question. And this week's question comes 1331 01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:20,840 from ND Leb on my Patreon. And also, Carol asked another 1332 01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:25,200 question around this same topic, but it's how do you know which 1333 01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:29,240 witchcraft practice is your strength and your destiny with 1334 01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:32,920 all of the information that bombards you and on, I'll let 1335 01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:34,160 you take the floor with this one. 1336 01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:35,640 How do you know it's your destiny? 1337 01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:41,040 I would say, I think I've slightly covered this and your 1338 01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:47,000 path, right is usually discovered over time since what 1339 01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:53,479 you are intrigued or interested by and read about that more. 1340 01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:59,320 Do your research and ultimately try it, try it out, practice it. 1341 01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:04,160 You won't know unless you try. It's also important to note 1342 01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:08,960 though that not everybody's path is defined by a specific 1343 01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:13,120 practice, right? So somewhere into woven A 1344 01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,360 mixture then, if you will, right? 1345 01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:20,440 Like we've discussed earlier, we love a variety of different 1346 01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:24,360 divination methods. Not all of us are on one 1347 01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:28,160 specific path, not even with our witchcraft practice. 1348 01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,560 So I would say it's about exploration. 1349 01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:36,360 And also it's really important, I think to know about your 1350 01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:40,880 emotions or gut instincts. How do you feel when you're 1351 01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,920 practicing? Do you feel at home? 1352 01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:52,280 Do you feel comfortable, harm. Are you settled or do you feel 1353 01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:58,920 stressed, chaotic, anxious? Know these emotions and be aware 1354 01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:04,640 of how these feelings feel to you because they are personal to 1355 01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:05,240 you. What? 1356 01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,640 My stress is not your stress, GAIL. 1357 01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:11,920 Yet we all have different levels of where we feel. 1358 01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,960 Now I'm stressed. Yeah, now this is too much. 1359 01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:22,600 I know ultimately what your response is to those emotions in 1360 01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,720 advance. Me, I think everybody is a 1361 01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:27,120 witch. I think, you know, there is no 1362 01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:29,560 destiny calling. It's just about that reclamation 1363 01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:35,200 of the word and what that means. And and the question about how 1364 01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,280 do you know what your witchcraft practice is? 1365 01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,960 It's never ending. It evolves all of the time. 1366 01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,920 So don't ever think this is what I'm going to be. 1367 01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:45,600 This is the type of witch I'm going to be. 1368 01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:49,440 This is how I am. Absolutely live it for now, but 1369 01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:51,360 just know that next year you'll be a different witch. 1370 01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,520 Just know that next week you'll be a different witch. 1371 01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:56,560 Just know that in 10 years time you're going to be a different 1372 01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,840 witch. So your destiny for from my 1373 01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:03,560 perspective is the moment you say that you are a witch and 1374 01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:07,760 your practice is ever evolving and enjoy the journey, whatever 1375 01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:11,080 that looks like because it just evolves over time. 1376 01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:15,440 Never ever pigeonhole yourself into any kind of witchcraft 1377 01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:19,120 practice because there's so much exciting stuff to do. 1378 01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:22,560 So that would be my answer, although if I had my time again, 1379 01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,040 I'd rather answer the way I'm not answered because it sounded 1380 01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:30,120 way better than mine. I'll add much more other than do 1381 01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:33,120 you know what? Curiosity and wonder is your 1382 01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:34,640 friend. It's not the lesser thing. 1383 01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,840 This is the thing. So go and try a few things out. 1384 01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:39,880 See how it feels. If it sticks, it sticks. 1385 01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:41,000 Do you know what your destiny is? 1386 01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,240 Probably that weird little thing you keep going back to. 1387 01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:47,760 That's maybe your path, you know, or I tried that move on to 1388 01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:49,600 something else. Oh, I'm going to go back to 1389 01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,720 that. And that's how I found what I 1390 01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:54,680 do. It's that little thing that I 1391 01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:58,000 keep going back to that I've become ridiculously obsessed 1392 01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,920 with. I'm very good at within, I know, 1393 01:12:59,920 --> 01:13:02,760 six months or or a year, definitely not divining rods. 1394 01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,520 So for me. Divining rods. 1395 01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:07,160 So, but be curious. Be curious. 1396 01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:09,160 Don't worry about pigeon holing yourself. 1397 01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:12,000 Thank you for listening to Between 3 Witches Witchcraft in 1398 01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,040 Plain Sight. If this resonated with you, 1399 01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:17,160 please sit with it or share it or let it unfold in your own 1400 01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:20,720 time. You can find me, Vicki and Anon 1401 01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:22,640 on all the social media platforms. 1402 01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,600 Until next time, may your practice meet you exactly where 1403 01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:26,160 you are.