1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,080 Welcome to Between Three Witches, where we talk about 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:05,560 witchcraft in plain sight. Everyday magic lived honestly, 3 00:00:05,560 --> 00:00:06,880 and it's hosted by three witches. 4 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,080 Me, GAIL, the witch next door. Me, Vicky the Wheelie green 5 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,760 witch. And me and None, the anonymous 6 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:14,760 witch. We all walk different paths with 7 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,720 different levels of experience, but we share a deep respect for 8 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,000 the craft as it is actually practice and not the dramatized 9 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,520 version that people expect. So today we are joined by 10 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,040 someone very special as our first ever Witchcraft One O 1 11 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,960 guest for Witchcraft Mentor. She is a beloved voice in the 12 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,240 witchcraft community and a guide for those seeking connection 13 00:00:33,480 --> 00:00:35,720 empowerment through everyday magic. 14 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,840 Through her books, workshops, and online presence, she 15 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:43,000 encouraged people to explore their craft with confidence and 16 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,280 curiosity. Her passion for helping others 17 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,960 through their own spiritual path makes her truly special. 18 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,400 She is the author. We have multiple books including 19 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,640 Wicca, Charms, Potions, and Law, and her latest book, 20 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,800 Witchatorium, which breaks down the language of witchcraft in a 21 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,880 way that actually makes sense whether you're just starting out 22 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,040 or deep in your practice. Great to welcome you to the 23 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,600 podcast, Nixie. Vale, thank you for having me. 24 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,200 Thank you, thank you. I'm so. 25 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,240 Excited you're here. How have you been anyway? 26 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:14,840 How has how has things been lately? 27 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,320 And obviously you're writing a book, so that's pretty. 28 00:01:17,320 --> 00:01:20,960 Stressful. I have actually got 2 sort of in 29 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:23,200 the pipeline and planning stages as well. 30 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:28,920 So yeah, but it's kind of like the same things, different days. 31 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:33,440 Obviously I'm disabled and I'm an ambulatory wheelchair user, 32 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,520 so while I can walk around inside, I don't when I'm 33 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,120 outside. So a lot of my practice and a 34 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,960 lot of my life kind of is centred around being disabled 35 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,320 and learning how to do things I used to do, to do while 36 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,440 conserving and protecting the energy that I have. 37 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,280 And it's not always very much I try to do, you know, all the 38 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,480 things, you know, Sabbath experts. 39 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:09,160 And it's like I've learned to do things when I'm well enough and 40 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:15,840 have the mental, mental, physical, emotional and all that 41 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:20,400 stability around rather than rushing off and doing something 42 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,560 and having to take a week to recover. 43 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,360 So that's a really important message. 44 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,880 I'm sure Vicky has spoken about this before as well. 45 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,280 Massively. Your disability and how you 46 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,840 blend it into your magic and understanding what our body 47 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,120 needs and how we feel is like a critical part of that isn't. 48 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:39,160 It, and I think Vicky's probably the same, that to begin with 49 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:43,720 there was a level of guilt to not being able to practice the 50 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:49,800 way I used to, not being able to have my altars set up or because 51 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,800 I used to have 5 or 6. But now it's like I can't 52 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,920 energetically keep those spaces open. 53 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,760 So I have one that looks like a bombers exploded on it. 54 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:06,480 There was that level of guilt and almost shame that I put on 55 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,000 myself about not being able to do the things I used to do. 56 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,360 It's like I I used to be able to do all of this stuff. 57 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,280 Why can't I do it? And then it's like, well, your 58 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,000 body's portraying me. As a human, we tend to put so 59 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,960 much pressure on ourselves. So the way things used to be and 60 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,480 I funny, I've had which ones this week, my clients and it's 61 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,960 like, well, I used to do this or I used to be, but we can never 62 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,480 revert back to the way we were. Those lessons have learned for 63 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,840 disability, change of circumstance, but it is about 64 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,960 understanding how we move into whatever the current moment is 65 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:41,720 and accepting that. But you're right, guilt is the 66 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:42,920 real thing. I can't. 67 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,080 I can't even imagine how frustrating it is, let alone 68 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,280 guilty it is to be able to have done the things and not undo the 69 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,560 things. You have to learn to pace. 70 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,200 Pacing feels like it doesn't get anything done. 71 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,320 You want to do 100 more things than you actually can do. 72 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,640 You have all of these ideas and all of a sudden your body 73 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,120 betrays you and you can't move for the day, which is fantastic. 74 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,200 And then you have to try and make everything accessible. 75 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,880 I'm lucky now because I actually live in an accessible house and 76 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,480 we've made the garden accessible for me. 77 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,320 When I say we, that's the royal, we, the husband built it 78 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:17,519 accessible for me so that I could continue with my practice. 79 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:20,839 But you do feel a lot of guilt. And it's also something I think 80 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,640 that a lot of mothers, new mothers feel when they can't 81 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,600 practice how they want to because they're too exhausting 82 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,840 for feeding babies or school runs and it just, it's 83 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,760 overwhelming. So when I'm running and I see 84 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,200 somebody and I wave, and that's probably the worst example to 85 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,120 say to two wheelchair users, so sorry about. 86 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,840 That. Fuck's sake, I'll cut that out. 87 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:45,640 Or when you're. Or when you're on about. 88 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,520 All right, when I'm in my T5 van and I see another T5, we wave. 89 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,360 But do you like, give a nod to have you seen another wheelchair 90 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,600 user and you go, oh, yeah. Is it like, like the. 91 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,720 Yeah. All right. 92 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,920 And we also check out each other's wheelchairs to see who's 93 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:04,200 got the nicest. If you want to, and I'm in a 94 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,600 sort of a power chair. So I, I've had people like, oh, 95 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,240 that, that's quite fancy because usually I'll say because people 96 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,400 will stare at me and I'm, I'm used to that. 97 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,040 And it's like, OK, is it the chair or the hair that you 98 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,040 notice first? Because I have green and pink 99 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:20,720 hair. I love your hair. 100 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,360 At the moment. Thank you. 101 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,000 And it's like so, OK, So what did you see first? 102 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,960 The chair or the hair? And it's usually a mixture of 103 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:34,560 both, but I had a lady at the vet in October and she was like, 104 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,560 where did you get your chair from? 105 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:42,440 I'm like, I'm here. So I gave her the address to the 106 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,960 shop that I got it through and she was like, this would make my 107 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,480 life so much easier. And living in, I live in Rural 108 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:54,200 England, in this, one of the really small towns, it is not 109 00:05:54,640 --> 00:06:00,800 built for accessibility. I mean, there are some places 110 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,680 the doors are physically not wide enough for me to go inside 111 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,840 because they're listed buildings. 112 00:06:06,840 --> 00:06:10,200 Some of these buildings have been here since the 1100s. 113 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,200 So it's like you can't read. So there is quite a bit of the 114 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,280 town that I can't get into anymore, but there are people 115 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:21,800 who are amazing with it as well. This old gentleman we got on the 116 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,760 bus one day, he had one of these like collapsible scooters and he 117 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,600 went. I wish I could have something 118 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,080 like that because I just don't have the space, but that's what 119 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:31,680 I want there's. Always somebody worse off. 120 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,880 Is it that like there's somebody wishing that they had what you 121 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,760 had, which sometimes must seem like you say, we want to know a 122 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,600 little bit about the witch that you are. 123 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,680 And so our listeners can, because they love to learn and 124 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,800 listen about all different types of witchcraft practitioner, 125 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,720 which is why US 3 come together. I can't bloody get rid of these 126 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,960 two now to be honest. But when? 127 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,280 When did you come start your week? 128 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:52,960 I love you. Really. 129 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:53,280 Sorry. Yeah. 130 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,160 Thanks. So when did I? 131 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:01,120 I was. *. I think I've always known that I 132 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,760 was a little bit different from like the rest of my cousins and 133 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,400 my family. I was the one who would make mud 134 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:13,960 pies and potions in the bathtub and all of these things, and my 135 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:18,080 granddad got really poorly. I started missing like the 136 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,840 folklore tails because he's German, their tails and the 137 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,200 folklore and the mythologies he used to tell me. 138 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:31,080 And I found at the time more comfort in stories of Valhalla 139 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:36,640 and warrior than I did in what I was being told by the Father at 140 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,200 the church. That started me looking into 141 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,000 other ways of, well, belief, really. 142 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:48,800 So I was 11 when I started my spiritual journey and I think I 143 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:54,680 was about 15 when I felt I was comfortable enough to. 144 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,640 I'm a witch, so that was 24 years ago. 145 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,440 I also think like when is the teenage witches? 146 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,520 It's like that. I mean, I don't know because I 147 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,440 came to witchcraft later in later in my life, just like the 148 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,480 rebellious energy to it as well, which I love about witchcraft 149 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,840 anyway because it is always about and pushing back on the 150 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,560 page and pushing back on what everybody expects from you. 151 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,240 But as a teenager, that would feel so empowering as well to 152 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,360 make that choice. It was, and at the time, in sort 153 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,560 of it was the early 2000s, so everything, the whole world was 154 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,440 starting to open up with the Internet. 155 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,080 You've just made me feel incredibly old that you're a 156 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,440 teenager in the 2. Thousand. 157 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,679 I'm saying nothing about being old. 158 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:40,320 Nothing. It's usually I'm one of the old. 159 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,760 If I have a discussion like this, it's usually I'm the 160 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,840 oldest witch in the group and I'm 39. 161 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,080 The Old Witch Podcast Welcome to the Old Witch Podcast. 162 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,840 Anon's actually the youngest one, but I'd like to tell people 163 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,960 she's older because nobody can see her. 164 00:08:56,560 --> 00:09:00,720 She's the youngest. I've always loved rainbows. 165 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,240 I have always loved things that are bright and colorful, if you 166 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,920 can tell with the hair. I started incorporating color 167 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:13,000 into what I was doing in my early 20s because I wanted to 168 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:18,760 learn about what was going on with colored magic and color and 169 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:24,440 how it can affect my magic. So 14 years ago something big 170 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:29,360 happened and I came to a shop and was talking to the owner and 171 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,400 these two little old ladies came in said are you white witches or 172 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,400 black witches? I couldn't stop the intrusive 173 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,280 thought of no, I'm a rainbow witch that came out and it was 174 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:45,880 almost like my soul sung that whole I'm a rainbow witch 175 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,240 because that is I think what I am. 176 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,400 Colour is my happy place. I know we're all struggling a 177 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:57,920 little bit with the technology, but I wanted, I wanted to ask 178 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:02,320 you briefly about the aspect of colour and how important that is 179 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,520 in your work. Because I'm, I'm, I'm very much 180 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:12,200 a practitioner that really leans into my own experience with my 181 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,800 practice. And I do view a lot of research 182 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:20,800 in books that I view and read as a blueprint to my practice, and 183 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:25,400 it's not necessarily something that I will follow strictly as a 184 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,000 rule. So with colour, do you associate 185 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,080 them with the terminologies that we know today or do you have 186 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,080 your own personal experiences with the colours that you work 187 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,520 with? And do they change dependent on 188 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:44,600 where you are on your path? I when I write about colour, 189 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:49,080 it's always the characteristics that are usually found in books 190 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,600 because I think that is what everybody should know, 191 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,520 especially when they're first starting out is get groundwork. 192 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:59,640 Then over the years I've learned that certain colours to me 193 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,360 represent something a little different. 194 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:09,240 When I'm practicing is like your heart chakra, it's usually green 195 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,960 for me. If I'm doing internal heart 196 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,040 work, it's pink because that's coming from within me. 197 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,720 If I'm doing something externally or trying to bring 198 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,240 something external to me, then I'll focus on green. 199 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,240 It's like again with the crown chakra, it's not always purple 200 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,440 for me. Sometimes it is magenta, 201 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,680 sometimes it is white. It will depend on what I'm doing 202 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:38,320 with the spell or the magical working at the time. 203 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:43,720 I am very loose in how I practice. 204 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:49,200 It calls out to me then that must be coming to me for a 205 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,320 reason and I go with it. If somebody comes to me and 206 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:57,400 asks, what color would you recommend for grounding? 207 00:11:57,560 --> 00:12:00,960 Classically it's black, for me it's brown and grey. 208 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:07,960 It's it's not as hard as what it's not as cutting. 209 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:13,280 So if you go with the core of earth and ground, it's softer, 210 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,760 pulls you down in a gentle emotion rather than just 211 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,000 smacking on top of the head saying, yeah, they grounded. 212 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,880 I also, I'm not this may be a bit of a hot tape. 213 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,560 I'm not a fan of using black for protection. 214 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,360 I will use it for binding. For me, when it comes to 215 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,040 protection, that is an iridescence. 216 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:37,400 When I protect myself, it's I'm in a iridescent bubble, so it's 217 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,560 a whole rainbow rather than just one particular colour. 218 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:45,000 I have used like multiple colours. 219 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,720 What is it before to create a protection spell? 220 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,080 I've actually gone out and bought a little spell candles 221 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:52,400 and done each colour individually. 222 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:58,320 I prefer to use things that are vibrant rather than things that 223 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:03,240 are very polarizing, like black, because they're so harsh in 224 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,640 terms of how they can come across. 225 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,400 And I know there are witches out there who who will 100% disagree 226 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:10,440 with me. Yeah, but do you have? 227 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,320 Nixie, that's the really important, that's the really 228 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,280 important factor. And that's the thing that we 229 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,160 like to bring to this podcast is explain the difference in 230 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,240 everybody's practice and how it should align to what you 231 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,520 personally align to. And you've really articulated. 232 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,120 Yeah, actually those things mean different things to you, and 233 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,360 it's amazing. Like black really does mean 234 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,520 pretend. Feels like a big bulk for me, 235 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:31,760 but that's OK because that's mine. 236 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,600 And what you've said about your essence is just beautiful 237 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,240 because that's yours. And I think that's really an 238 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,120 important message to say. Everybody's got their 239 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,480 individuality, and that's why craft works, right? 240 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,560 Because we can be individual in our practice. 241 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,920 I think you said something really important as well because 242 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,760 I know we all practice differently and from different 243 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,280 aspects and within our own personal practices. 244 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,680 It's you explain colour and you use colour the same way as I'll 245 00:13:57,680 --> 00:14:01,280 use herbs and explain herbs. I will give somebody the ground 246 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,880 in, but I do then expect them to see if it works for them and 247 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,240 does it work for do I need to use something different? 248 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,840 I don't use colour huge amounts, which is weird because I'm 249 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,560 actually an artist. Probably because. 250 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,200 You are an artist, but you don't. 251 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,320 Yeah. That's I tend to, yeah. 252 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,320 I think I see it on a day-to-day basis all the time, so I don't 253 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,120 bring it into my practice that much. 254 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,080 But certainly with herbs and stuff, I'll give somebody a 255 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,440 grounding herb for instance, you know, this is what this means. 256 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,360 They're real basic broad, this is what this means, this is the 257 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,560 association. And then I'll go and use 258 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,480 something completely different because it doesn't mean that to 259 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,720 me. And that's really, I think for 260 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,400 people coming in or remembering the craft or coming in as new to 261 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,200 the craft, I think it's really important to know that is OK and 262 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,760 that's part of your development. Yes, learning what works for 263 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,720 you. It's much like with disability 264 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,880 as well. You learn what works for you. 265 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:00,640 I was a teaching assistant before my illness took over. 266 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,280 I was working with students with very different needs and I think 267 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,280 a lot of that I took that into my craft as well. 268 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,360 Everybody has different needs in terms of the craft. 269 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:18,760 While some people will be heavy into divination or in herbs or 270 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:24,840 into crystals colour, everybody will approach it through their 271 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,760 own needs, which obviously that's probably a describement 272 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,840 of thought. I think it that's also why I do 273 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,400 things. If somebody asks me what colour 274 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,160 will work for this or what crystal works with that, I'll 275 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:42,880 give them the framework and then tell them go and feel the 276 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,200 crystals, go and touch them. Go and see what you feel from 277 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,160 it. If it doesn't work for you, then 278 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,960 come back to me and we can work something else out. 279 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:56,760 You always have to be about what is written in a book is gospel 280 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,800 truth. Do you think that then people 281 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,440 who are learning, who are remembering, who are slightly 282 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,560 newer, however you want to put that, do you think they 283 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,600 overcomplicate it a little bit? 100% because the books we read 284 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:12,200 from, you can get three books by on the same topic by three 285 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:16,360 different authors and you you get 3 different perspectives and 286 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,200 at least one of them is going to contradict the others. 287 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,000 And I had that in mind when I was writing with Tutorium as 288 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,800 well. I get asked that question so 289 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,440 much, like, who do you trust? How do you listen? 290 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,520 What book should I read? Well, actually read everything. 291 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,120 Read as much as you can and then take away what works for you 292 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,320 because you can't. And even even with my clients, 293 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,560 they say look like, oh, gay. Oh, you've taught me and I love 294 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,000 all that feedback. It's amazing, obviously, but I 295 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,480 also make sure that that conversation that I am not your 296 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,320 practice. You are your practice. 297 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,280 So I can give you some information, but then you need 298 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,040 to work that in and question some of the things I say because 299 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,440 they work for me. They may not work for you. 300 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,280 So we shouldn't just like you say, read a book and go right, 301 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,880 It's the gospel there. And that's what we should find. 302 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:04,319 It should be about taking the bits and the discernment is 303 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:09,680 something we, I think that's a learned muscle as well, to be 304 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,680 honest, because new practitioners really struggle 305 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,720 with that discernment. So that's an important message. 306 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,440 You said like you said, every every book you pick up or 307 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,160 everything you read can have different versions. 308 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,880 And I think with obviously with the advent of the Internet and 309 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:30,400 social media, you have misinformation as well. 310 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:36,960 I had somebody ask me, is it I saw on TikTok that it's OK to 311 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,320 suck on malachite for toothache. I'm like, no, you are. 312 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:41,600 You're going to poison yourself. Oh. 313 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,520 My good grief, the stuff that goes around. 314 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,040 Obviously they they've never really worked crystals and they 315 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,920 had toothache, so they thought, hey, let's give it a go. 316 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:56,800 No, no, no. Crystals go in from out. 317 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,040 So what are you? What do you feel like you're 318 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,360 currently being challenged by in your practice? 319 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,920 Apart from some of the obvious things we spoke about, what's 320 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,080 your biggest challenge in your practice at the moment? 321 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,760 Organization. I used to pride myself on having 322 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:14,880 the most organized altar and organized sort of tools. 323 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,080 That's not happening at the minute, and I think a lot of it 324 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:22,280 is because I'm disorganized in my own head and in my own heart, 325 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:26,080 and my altar is the reflection of that. 326 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,520 Last year, and I know this is something that has affected my 327 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,600 altar. I lost a cat in October, 328 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,720 November and December. The the one we lost in December 329 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,840 he was my baby boy. Losing him felt like something 330 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,400 had been literally ripped out of me. 331 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:44,880 I haven't been able to figure it out. 332 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,400 I would look at my alter now because it's just over the room 333 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,080 from me and that kind of makes sense. 334 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,680 I something feels like it's missing from me. 335 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,400 So something is missing from my altar and I've let the 336 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,720 organization go to hell. Organization is my enemy right 337 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,120 now. I always think of the things 338 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:09,080 that are testing and challenges those like they're sent to, 339 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:10,720 they're sent to teach us a lesson, right? 340 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,400 We don't want to learn them at the time. 341 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,880 But whatever that disorganization is, there'll be 342 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,640 something magical in it for you to understand. 343 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,560 You just don't know what it is yet because it's disorganized. 344 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,000 But you know, you know the point, like there's something 345 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,760 there in order for you to sift through some of that in order to 346 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,520 find the light. And that's the way I always kind 347 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,400 of look at those resistant moments that are sent to go. 348 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,880 What are you pushing against? Of course, you've lost your cat. 349 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,360 That grief is heavy, isn't it? I'm so sorry as well, by the 350 00:19:32,360 --> 00:19:35,280 way, Thank you. And let alone loose into several 351 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,480 as well. So, yeah, but it's just like how 352 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,120 we can how we can learn those lessons and even us which 353 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:43,200 practitioners that I've been doing it for a long time. 354 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,040 It's not until the outside people say like, I'm great at 355 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,640 giving advice, Nixie, believe me. 356 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,400 But do I listen to it? No. 357 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:51,000 Would I have listened to that? Might? 358 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,840 No. But let's just pretend for a 359 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,560 minute that I'm listening to my own advice. 360 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,640 But it is. It's all about those lessons 361 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,200 that we've got instead of giving ourselves a hard time about 362 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,600 those things. So we're all about living in a 363 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:09,520 practical way, using our practice as a lived experience, 364 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,160 and some of those opinions that we have are kind of unpopular. 365 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:17,760 What would you say your unpopular opinion on modern 366 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,920 witchcraft is generally? That's out on social media at 367 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,000 the moment. What's your unpopular thing? 368 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:27,040 Learn to use Google. Learn to open a book before 369 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:32,320 coming and putting a comment asking a question that you will 370 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,480 wait hours if not sometimes days to get an answer to. 371 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,520 You could have opened Google and gotten an answer or open a book 372 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,640 and got an answer. That is my very. 373 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:46,800 My big unpopular opinion is people very often will ask 374 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:51,680 questions on social media for a response without being willing 375 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,040 to do the work to learn it themselves first. 376 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,160 If they can't find information, fine, ask. 377 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,040 You can be pointed in the right direction. 378 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,640 I learned obviously the advent of the Internet and I live in a 379 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,360 very small town. We didn't have books, witchcraft 380 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:08,920 and the Internet, well, was not what it is today. 381 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:13,080 I learned by going to the library, looking through index 382 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:17,200 cards of books that could help go into a shop and asking 383 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,000 shopkeeper could you order me this book please? 384 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,760 I think people take the easy route and I am so sorry. 385 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:29,040 It's honestly it is wild. The mundane ask the mundane 386 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:34,000 questions that get asked on social media is just bonkers. 387 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:36,040 Honestly. I don't know if like some of the 388 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,360 questions and you're right, it's not even about Googling. 389 00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:39,760 It's just like, why are you asking? 390 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,280 These things sometimes are really straightforward to find 391 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,280 out as well. It's crazy. 392 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,080 I I I agree it's wild. Yeah, and it's, it's one of 393 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,760 those things, isn't it, that I, I'd say I'd agree with that 394 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,480 unpopular opinion. Maybe it's because I'm the 395 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,440 oldest out of everybody here. And so I remember life without 396 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,440 the Internet. In the same token, I'm always 397 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,000 really open for questions. But sometimes I kind of want to 398 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,000 say, well, actually you do need to go and look at, look that up, 399 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,120 use your intuition. I can help you do that. 400 00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:10,480 I'm quite happy to answer you from my perspective. 401 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,600 So actually, if you're going to practice this, you do need to 402 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,520 stand on your own to your feet a little bit. 403 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,600 And This is why you have said before, can anybody be a witch? 404 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,760 Yes. Should everybody be a witch? 405 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,320 Yes. Probably not. 406 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,400 I think that that's part, I mean, I don't want to put words 407 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:25,880 in your mouth, but I think that's part of it. 408 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,080 Like witchcraft isn't just about doing the spell work or asking 409 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,880 the questions. It's about doing the work to 410 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,520 understand what it means for you, educating yourself, 411 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,280 building up your craft. It's a practice. 412 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,440 So I think that, I know you've said that a few times, but 413 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,960 that's part of it, isn't it? Like or just ask somebody on the 414 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,000 Internet quickly so you can get your answer. 415 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,800 That's not practicing, is that? Well, that's, I mean, at the end 416 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,880 of the day, it's called a practice for a reason, isn't it? 417 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,200 It's a craft. It's a practice for a reason. 418 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,160 It's all individual. And we, we learn. 419 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,560 We learn by making mistakes, We learn by not knowing, we learn 420 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,000 by finding things out. We can talk to lots of people, 421 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,320 but it's a personal thing. You're not. 422 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,880 I don't think you're truly a witch until you've blown up 423 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:12,680 something that's glass as well. Hey I still do that now I'm like 424 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,600 this last one. Break phone, you'll be fine. 425 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,920 It's resistant. I was doing this burning thing 426 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,920 outside a few years ago in a completely. 427 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,520 It was meant to be flame safe glass. 428 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,240 Well, it's shattered. We're not witches until we've 429 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,840 got a bucket of sand near the altar, yes. 430 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:36,200 I had a friend send me a big pot of sand from her favorite beach 431 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:41,440 so that lives in my altar for flame mystical shape purposes. 432 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,000 I want, I wanted to ask I, I find it very interesting that, 433 00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:50,560 you know, a bit like me as well, when I was younger, I didn't 434 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,120 have the full access to the Internet like what we have now. 435 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,440 And it was always a little bit of that, you know, trepidation 436 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:03,400 going to that librarian and asking for a certain book. 437 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,840 Do you feel that there's an essence there for the reasons 438 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,160 and the whys that you're writing the books that you are, that you 439 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,160 want to provide that information to people that perhaps you 440 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,800 didn't have when when you were younger? 441 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,200 That is the exact reason I wrote Wichitorium. 442 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,440 My fairy godchildren are starting to grow up. 443 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,320 My stepdaughter, my adopted daughter, they're all interested 444 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,800 in the craft. I wanted to give them a bare 445 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,160 bones of what things mean. Not necessarily what things mean 446 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:42,440 to me, but the basic definition. I didn't have this kind of 447 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,280 knowledge when I was 1st starting. 448 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:51,520 I I was lucky I had an amazing aunt who helped me with my 449 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:56,720 divination. She didn't do other aspects of 450 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,720 the craft. She was very much like a 451 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,840 divination only witch. So there's a lot of things she 452 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:08,000 didn't know, and I want to give people in my life and those who 453 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,560 are just starting out a framework from which then they 454 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,600 can build their craft around. And I like we, we've touched on 455 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,600 this a lot so far, but I think for a lot of people that may be 456 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:25,000 new or intrigued by the pathway or perhaps remembering, it's so 457 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,120 important to have the fundamentals. 458 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:32,320 It's so important to have those books where it's plainly 459 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,440 explained, it's simply explained. 460 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,400 And then from then on in, they can develop their craft and 461 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,280 their pathway to what best suits them. 462 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:44,640 And I think that's so important for people to know and 463 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,520 understand. Because how I kind of saw it 464 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,920 begin with a body cannot be held up without skeleton. 465 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,640 That is what I am. I wanted to give people with 466 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,280 Wichiturian, give them the skeleton, their bones, and what 467 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,280 they do with that is their choice. 468 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,120 They, you know, their practices, none of my business. 469 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,320 I'm just giving them a tool to use and hopefully grow through. 470 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,360 You were mentioning that your practice, your craft meanders 471 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:15,160 around your health. And again, I think it's 472 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,080 incredibly important that we listen to self first, because I 473 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,880 think when we, we try and do our rituals or work ends and we're 474 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,320 not with, we're not there mentally, physically, 475 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:32,000 spiritually, I think that mirrors a lot as well of, of 476 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,840 what sometimes we can put out that. 477 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,160 How have you found the writing process? 478 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,680 Have you found it quite an intuitive practice? 479 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:45,280 Have you found that it's flowed very easily or have you had to 480 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,520 be very structured and quite strict with your timing and and 481 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,360 when you do things? OK, how I usually write pen and 482 00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:56,000 paper in bed. So where I'm sat now, there'll 483 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,920 be a pen and a paper and I will just get things down. 484 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:04,240 The in my first book, The Wicker, Potions, Law and Charms, 485 00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:07,520 I wrote that entire book on my phone. 486 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,640 I didn't have a tablet at the time. 487 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,240 I didn't have my PC at the time. I'd actually not long before 488 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,240 that lobotomize the laptop kind of had to use my phone. 489 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,520 And when I came to writing Wichitorium, I wrote down all of 490 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,200 the terms that I wanted in the book first. 491 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,960 I didn't want to get lost in when I was structuring the book 492 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,880 received because of my physical limitations. 493 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:38,600 I did 2 hours a day, sat at my desk and then there were some 494 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,440 days I felt OK, so I did a little bit more. 495 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,840 But I was quite strict with myself. 496 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:49,560 It took me six weeks to get everything compiled and written 497 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,480 into a manuscript that was ready to be sent off. 498 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:58,720 My 1 regret about Russian's book is I didn't create the 499 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,880 bibliography until after I'd done it all. 500 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:09,880 So when I do the next ones, I will be copying and pasting 501 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:14,680 links or writing the name of the book and the page number down 502 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,360 that I get that information from as I do it. 503 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:23,760 Because I went through six weeks worth of researching links and 504 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,480 things and then trying to sit there and remember which book I 505 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:32,800 opened. So I think it took me about 3 506 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,280 1/2 four hours just trying to get the video. 507 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,480 So you could say that's one thing that you learned from 508 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,760 writing. What would you say writing your 509 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:45,040 books taught you about your own practice that you didn't know? 510 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,520 How varied it can be. Practices as a wish doesn't 511 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,480 necessarily mean sitting at an altar, doing everything Willy 512 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,720 nilly and silly and making everything colourful and pretty. 513 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,400 Sometimes it is simply staring a cup of tea. 514 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,200 How many times have I said that? I've said. 515 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,720 That I know. We've said that so often on this 516 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,680 path. So yes, but. 517 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,920 That's the big misconception, isn't it? 518 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,040 On social media, everybody thinks witchcraft is all of this 519 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,840 rituals and toil and trouble and stuff, but actually it's the 520 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,560 noticing of things and doing the simplistic stirring, bring in 521 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,160 your coffee and, you know, affirmation, all of that stuff. 522 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,240 If I when I when I put the toilet cleaner down the toilet, 523 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,000 it's like a a little affirmation of please don't block. 524 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,480 It's so silly. It's something I do do. 525 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,040 You know what I do with the toilet cleaner? 526 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,600 What do you do with the toilet cleaner? 527 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,840 I put it. Round in an anti clockwise way. 528 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,160 I think if I'll do that, I actually hang on, right. 529 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,800 You're going to work it out. I do. 530 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,320 I go anticlockwise. I start at 12:00. 531 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,920 I start at 12:00 and then go round. 532 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,160 Anticlockwise. I know, I realised I did that 533 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,440 the other day. You're banishing your toilet. 534 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,720 I banish the toilet, it's amazing. 535 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,160 But it's the it's the little we've done everyday things, 536 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,920 isn't it? And now we've shared with 537 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,560 everybody, it's literally how we. 538 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:10,160 Can how we can start a toilet? One thing that I that gets 539 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,280 people laugh at me with when I cleansed my house, I cleansed my 540 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,320 drain because it is somewhere energy can enter my home. 541 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,800 Oh, I love that. So yeah, I cleansed my drains. 542 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,120 OK so I have not work on my drains. 543 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,320 I've got I've got called on the water pipe lead into my house. 544 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,400 Yeah, I think we've maybe GAIL, do you? 545 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,920 Do you water in your? Drains water not on the drains 546 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,520 but on water pipes. Yes, I do. 547 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,160 See I don't because I live in a ground floor flat. 548 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,920 I don't have access to water pipes really. 549 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,360 So the drains. Trust me, that Kitchen 1 is 550 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:53,000 testing us at the moment. Maybe you haven't closed it 551 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,680 enough. Because I've obviously read the 552 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,240 book, because I was fortunate enough to have it. 553 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,720 Because it's not out yet either, is it? 554 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,760 It's not out. At the end of no, it comes out 555 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,160 on the 28th of April. The only thing I left out and I 556 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,200 wish I could have found something in the X category and 557 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,440 I looked for hours for something to put there, which is one that 558 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,400 pages to. I didn't know what to do with 559 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,000 it. I didn't want to leave it 560 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,160 because I felt sorry for the if I'd left it out of the book. 561 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,920 That is literally what I thought in my writing process. 562 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,280 I can't leave this out because it would feel lonely. 563 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,480 All my head is doing right now is trying to think of an XI. 564 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,560 Can only think of X-Files, but there's not particularly 565 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,600 witchcraft, that's more paranormal activity. 566 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,560 I'm just going crossroads. All my head is doing is going. 567 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,760 Crossroads, but that would come in, but that comes in the seats, 568 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:44,480 but to to. To look through someone's soul. 569 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,600 I The only one that kept coming into my head at the time was 570 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:57,440 xylophone. Yeah. 571 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,240 And it was like, it sounds like a really cool word, but and I 572 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,160 know musics a thing, it could be great, but pleasing. 573 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,920 Maybe I should have put it in now through upper xylophone. 574 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,400 As the sound gets higher, you're raising your vibration. 575 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,880 Are you able to to give us any little hints about any anything 576 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,280 on the horizon about what you're considering writing next? 577 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,480 Any little. I am working. 578 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,040 I can give you the names, the names I've already had in my 579 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:29,160 head. One of them is A Rainbow Witch's 580 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,000 Guide to Colour Magic. Oh wow. 581 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,200 Nice. And Vicky, you're like this one 582 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,240 Spoony magic. Oh, oh, that. 583 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,680 That's. So needed. 584 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,520 So needed. Because it's it won't just be 585 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,800 good to people who are disabled, it would be people who have 586 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:53,720 loads experience with time or energy or you know, constraints 587 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,520 to do with their home. As I was writing with tutorial 588 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:03,360 low impact and low energy magic for everyday practice. 589 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:08,280 Not just rituals and the odd spells, but everyday things. 590 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,920 Just simple everyday things that do not take up a lot of time or 591 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,000 energy you may not necessarily think about as being. 592 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,920 Magical, absolutely. I think there's a massive call 593 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:22,200 for it because I know quite a lot of the messages I get is, is 594 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,920 there a low impact way of doing this? 595 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,240 I'm going to ask you because you're a wheelchair wheelchair 596 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,040 user and I know that you've got certain conditions, etcetera, 597 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,480 etcetera. And it's sort of like how can I 598 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,960 in an easy, in an easy way? So I do try and make it so a lot 599 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,040 of the stuff, well, actually a lot of the stuff I show is sat 600 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,560 down. It's either accessible or it's 601 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,280 sat down because it has to be. But I think it is desperately 602 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,840 needed and it's not just for spoonies and for anybody who's 603 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,280 listening who doesn't know what a spoonie is, because it's a 604 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,320 little bit you either know or you don't know. 605 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,560 Yes, I don't know. I don't know what a spoonie is. 606 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,200 I'm just sat there going, Oh yeah, I'm just nodding alone. 607 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,920 A spoonie is somebody with basically a chronic health 608 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,120 condition. There's a whole thing about it 609 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,520 of why it came about the spoon theory. 610 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,120 And it's you have certain amount of spoons through the day and 611 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,280 they represent your energy and you expand that energy, you give 612 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,040 away that energy through the day. 613 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,840 So a shower may take two of your 12 spoons that you start the day 614 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,600 off with. It was a friend. 615 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,520 It was a friend trying to explain in a restaurant to 616 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,120 somebody else about their energy levels. 617 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,159 So they they took some spoons. They said we all start off with 618 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,800 however many apart from your shower only costs you one spoon 619 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,520 where my shower may cost me 3 spoons. 620 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,320 So by the end of the day we don't have enough spoons. 621 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,920 This is a really by the side thing that then got coined into 622 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,600 the chronic health community as this basically the spoon theory 623 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,320 and we all call each other or we we all know each other as 624 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,040 spoonies this. Morning I had a shower that took 625 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,120 4 spoons. I had to then have a sleep to 626 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,560 recuperate. Maybe one or two of those spoons 627 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,240 or a few of those points. I I've had to explain this in so 628 00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:03,560 many different ways for people to understand. 629 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,360 I think that's why I just want a lot of book about it. 630 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,720 Even just explaining it in that way just registers differently 631 00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:13,160 in my mind behind the challenges that you guys have as disabled 632 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,200 people. Like for me, having my shower is 633 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,520 1 spoon. It takes you 4 spoons. 634 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,640 Like it's a good analogy to have. 635 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,040 And I guess I just never really put it into that bucket of 636 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,200 understanding before because I haven't had to. 637 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,400 But you know, I've had moments in my life when I've had a big 638 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,640 surgery and I wish I said something. 639 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,600 It was taking me 7 spoons when it only took you one spoon. 640 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,280 But obviously I overcome that problem. 641 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,600 I've had three children and it's the same when you're a brand new 642 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,720 mum and you've had no sleep. You know that shower in the 643 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:42,120 morning just takes so much energy and you're so exhausted, 644 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,360 but you keep going, you keep going. 645 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,840 Smooth Theory can be used. I do think the book is needed. 646 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:51,160 Next year, I think that book is is going to be so important to 647 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,520 so many different people because you mentioned earlier, you know, 648 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,880 the analogy of new mums. You, you've mentioned the 649 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:04,560 creative process of this book is to reflect your own personal 650 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,240 condition and, and, and how your pathway has meandered around 651 00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:11,920 that. But I think in, in today's 652 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,640 society, within our world, I think a lot of people are just 653 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,800 tired. I think a lot of people are 654 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,560 absolutely exhausted. I think for some people, they 655 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,840 really do query, do I have the time to practice? 656 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,240 Do I have the the time and, and the energy to get involved in 657 00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:32,800 some then like magic? And as you perfectly explained 658 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,200 earlier, sometimes it is brushing your hair, brushing 659 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,520 your teeth, how we stir our tea or coffee and the words that we 660 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,800 put into it. And I think that is going to be 661 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,960 an absolute fundamental actually for a lot of people accessing, 662 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,120 you know, day or pathway. So thank you. 663 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,440 I'm glad the idea popped into my head as well. 664 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,600 There was There's one thing that when I was writing the book that 665 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,200 always came to my head was discernment. 666 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,600 And I think I actually wrote it in the book. 667 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,120 You know, I wish I could have capitalized it and highlighted 668 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:09,400 it because I think it's the one thing that a lot of people 669 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,000 nowadays don't have the discernment to know that 670 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,520 something's not right for me. It's not right for me, but they 671 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,040 still do it anyway. It would be like me getting up 672 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:25,560 and walking into town. I could potentially do it, but I 673 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:30,160 could dislocate my knees, my hips, my ankles while doing it. 674 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,680 So I use my discernment to use my wheelchair because I know 675 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,440 it's safe. So, and with magic, if you're 676 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:43,400 not comfortable doing hexes or painful magic, then you don't do 677 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,120 it. No one is holding you, you know 678 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,880 some weapon to your head. Say you master arrest in the 679 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,440 sound of a darling. Sorry, that's literally what I 680 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,080 heard as I was saying that. Yeah, but Anon does that to me. 681 00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:58,840 Anon makes me do stuff, speaking like a darling. 682 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:07,440 Nixie, you know with your craft, do you use it as a form of some 683 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,560 form of healing Connect? Yes, your physical, yeah, 684 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:17,000 crystals, sound, colour, I mean the the vein of I will try 685 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:23,360 anything once just to see if it can help not be in as much pain 686 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,000 because when you wake up feeling pain and go to sleep feeling 687 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:33,400 pain, you will try Reiki, which was suggested by my my GP, 688 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:38,560 aromatherapy, massage, acupuncture, which is amazing. 689 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:43,960 I think a lot of terms of healing work that is directly 690 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:49,440 linked to, you know, my day-to-day troubles with pain, 691 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,880 if that makes sense. Yeah, it does. 692 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,240 Thank you. Can't believe I got 2 spoony 693 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,480 zebra EDS folk. We're very. 694 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:58,040 Common. It's. 695 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,400 Not that I was it that it's not that common though, right I. 696 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,200 It is. It's the thing with it is they 697 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,560 didn't used to think it was common. 698 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,400 And it's actually far more common than it. 699 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,360 Yeah, I think it's very, very underdiagnosed. 700 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,120 It is and. Misdiagnosed. 701 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,240 Yes, very misdiagnosed. You have to have a doctor that 702 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,520 you trust and believe in to fight for you to get that 703 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,800 diagnosis. Because I didn't know that I had 704 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,400 it and my thumb kept falling out of joint. 705 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,880 So I went to go and see a hand surgeon because that's who I got 706 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,560 referred to. And he he had seen it before. 707 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,000 I didn't had knew nothing about it. 708 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,080 Literally it's very lucky that the surgeon that I saw to have 709 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,160 my thumb repaired looked at me and said, can you do this weird 710 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,480 bendy thing? And I said, well, of course 711 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,280 everyone can do that. And do you do this? 712 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,400 Well, of course. Everybody does that, yes. 713 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,040 Or can't anybody do that? Exactly. 714 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,040 And actually, no, they can't. And I can't operate on you 715 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,680 because. And then he brought a bunch of 716 00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:01,120 students in and said this patient is a textbook case for 717 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,560 EDS. He couldn't diagnose me, but he 718 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,400 then put me on the pathway for my diagnosis, which I then had 719 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,760 twice because I had it done. And then the new criteria came 720 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,280 in in 2017. They then re diagnosed me with 721 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,200 it, which was great. And now we're about to have 722 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:22,240 another diagnostic criteria. See, I before 2017, which is 723 00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:25,560 when I got my diagnosis, it was always hyper mobility syndrome, 724 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,000 Hyper mobility syndrome. You're hyper mobile, you're 725 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,000 fine. No, because my hip comes out, my 726 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,560 knees pop, but tear ligaments and something else was going on. 727 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:40,400 And I had this GP who was utterly amazing and she was 728 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,680 like, you're a zebra. And I was like, excuse me? 729 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:49,120 Then she explained about DDS and how it hypermobility, it has a 730 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,080 type in there. So she helped me through that 731 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,400 process of having orthopaedic people say, no, you're not, 732 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,160 Yeah, just hyped mobile. Yeah, you do need, you do need 733 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,320 someone to actually fight in your corner a little bit for it. 734 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:03,880 It's very difficult at the moment. 735 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,240 It's even more difficult to get a diagnosis, people are finding, 736 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,680 but hopefully that will improve at the end of the year. 737 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,600 Our healthcare system is is not easy, especially if you need it 738 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,440 right. It's very, very broken. 739 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,240 Very specially for our Witchcraft 101 guest edition, 740 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,760 we're going to do a Keep it or Cut it section where we ask our 741 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:27,080 special guest, Nixie 5 witchy things it would cut in your 742 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,560 practice. So Nixie, you have to choose 743 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,840 that, right? This isn't you can't go, Oh no. 744 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,640 And I know Annon's going to be accepted by one of the choices I 745 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,760 haven't even shared with with Ricky either. 746 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,240 Those troubled scene you've got to keep or cut. 747 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,760 So first ones or Athamas, what would you keep and what would 748 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,680 you cut from your practice? Keep one cut, Athamas. 749 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,800 Nice choice. Keep or cut Tarot or Oracle 750 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,560 cards. Cut Oracle, keep tarot. 751 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,560 Would you keep or cut unicorns or fairies? 752 00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,920 Don't you dare. You've got to keep and cut 1. 753 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,920 Don't answer, Nixie, don't answer. 754 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,120 A Unicorn has never stolen my engagement ring. 755 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:17,080 So keep unicorns, cut fairies. Oh, the controversy and on is a 756 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,560 big big if she could be a fairy witch, she would be a fairy 757 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:21,920 witch. But she also loves you to call 758 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,480 herbs or crystals. Cut herbs, keep crystals. 759 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,560 I know Vicky's not a big Crystal fan. 760 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,760 I've did I've I've picked these on purpose. 761 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:38,320 And then lastly, would you keep or cut moon water or rainwater 762 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:42,360 hot? Moon water keep rainwater. 763 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,480 See, you've upset. Vicky's upset by the herbs, I'm 764 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,360 upset by the Moon Moor and Annan's upset by the fairies. 765 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:56,040 Thanks. So. 766 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,400 So finally then, where can we find you? 767 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:06,400 OK, primarily on all of my social media things, it's either 768 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,560 Nixie Vale or Ramblings of a Rainbow Witch. 769 00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:12,880 You're on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, yes. 770 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,520 If someone listening right now feels like they're not a real 771 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,520 witch, what would you say to them? 772 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,880 Whatever is making you feel like you're not a witch, put it in 773 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,280 the bin. Because it's our own negative 774 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,760 self talk that stops us being ourselves. 775 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,600 So if you want to you're a witch and put all your negative 776 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,600 thoughts about it or not feeling like you're a witch, put it in 777 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,440 the bin or burn. Write it down. 778 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,960 Burn it because you are a witch as long as you want to be a 779 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,520 witch. Throw it in the bin. 780 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,120 Throw it away. What was that? 781 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,200 Let it go and shake it. Let it. 782 00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,560 Go. Let it go. 783 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,120 What's the title? When's the book out? 784 00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:02,000 The book is called Witchatorium, a Glossary of Magic, Witchcraft 785 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,400 and Spirituality and it is out on the 28th of April. 786 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,120 Thank you for listening to Between 3 Witches Witchcraft in 787 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,360 Plain Sight. If this episode resonated, you 788 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,800 are welcome to sit with it, share it, or let it unfold in 789 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,120 its own time. You can find me, Vicky and Anon 790 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,040 on all the social media platforms. 791 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,520 We will tag them in the show notes, but until next time, may 792 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,120 your practice meet you exactly where you are.