Welcome to Between Three Witches, where we talk about
witchcraft in plain sight. Everyday magic lived honestly
and it's hosted by three witches, me, GAIL the witch next
door and Anon the Anonymous Witch.
Usually we have Vicky the Wheelie green witch but today
she cannot be with us, but we are going to have our Witchcraft
101 guest today. We all walk different paths with
different levels of experience, but we share a deep respect for
the Craft as it is actually practised and not the dramatized
version that people expect. On today's episode, our
Witchcraft One O 1 guest is a practitioner who weaves together
Scottish folklore, ancestral wisdom, and contemporary
witchcraft. Her work focuses on grounding,
healing, and reconnecting people to the land, the seasons, and
their own inner magic. With a gentle voice and a deep
sense of heritage, she brings a uniquely Scottish perspective to
the Craft, one filled with history, heart, and a touch of
enchantment. It's great to welcome you to the
podcast That Glasgow Witch, also known as Geo Good to have you on
the podcast. How are you?
And for those of people that don't know you, first of all,
how on earth would they not? But who is That Glasgow Witch?
Hi, it's really lovely to have me on your podcast, GAIL, I
think I feel as if you were the first person that I met on
social media. Yeah, I'm sure you had like a
few 1000 followers and I remember you doing a live as
well and I was on it and it's probably the only live you've
ever done. I've never done one again since.
Not that it was bad, but I just there was.
No. I couldn't, I couldn't figure it
all out, all the stuff on the screen.
But yeah. So I'm Jio.
I started posting on social media to share some of my
practice with my daughter, who was 19 at that point.
Some wildness happened. And now I've got, I think,
across the three platforms about, I think the last count
was about 1.3 million people following me across the big
Three TikTok. So Facebook, Instagram.
I'm just a lady who's sharing my practice every day.
Not every day. I think I've only posted like
250 videos, but I just really enjoy sharing it.
It's a nice thing to do. I know your account has just
blown up. I cannot.
There's not one person on social media that I could mention your
name, like within our community that doesn't know you.
And then I say, I recently came out at work.
I kind of told work when I was on a drunk work trip in
Luxembourg. I told my bosses I thought
they'd found my social media, to be honest.
And now they all follow me on Instagram, which is which is
great, right? And my colleagues like to have a
bit of a jibe, but they also like understand and like kiss
part of my life. So it's really good.
But then they got all this that Glasgow, which keeps coming up
on my feed as well. I'm like, well, it's because you
follow me. So of all the witches that are
now popping up on their social media feeds, it's you.
You're everywhere. Oh.
That's good. That's.
Nice, that is good. It is.
It's just been a really weird year.
It's been a really, really strange year, but I've really
enjoyed it. My life's completely changed.
I never knew I wasn't really a big social media user before.
I think when my personal social media account, I've got like 100
fall, like I follow 100 people and it's all aunties and
grannies and people that you know, there's no, I'm not a big
social media person, but I've had to learn and it's been a
process. So it's it's been nice.
Yeah, but you came right out the blocks with a very unique kind
of angle. And I always wanted to ask you
actually, I thought she must be, she must work in marketing or do
something because it's so it's so good like the and I guess
it's because you you put a lot of thought into it because
you're doing it for your family, right?
You're doing it for your daughter or you were.
I mean, it's kind of evolved into something completely crazy
now. But yeah, it's so some of your
ideas are just they're simple, but delivered in such a
brilliant way. I I admire it a lot because I
feel like I just run on and just go Blair quick.
Everybody know this more? Well, I, I still do for my
daughter now. So the videos that I make are
still for her and having a daughter when she's a teenager
and she was a teenager then she's she's a young woman now.
But and I was exactly the same with my mum.
Like if my mum, my mum did something and I thought it was
shit, then I'd tell. So I need to make sure that I
mean, if it was shit, she'd tell me and I wouldn't, she wouldn't
watch it. Do you know what that's really
accommodating of you? Because my son is He'll be 19
next month. He says that he's never watched
my social media. I probably believe him.
I do try and tell him like the good stuff that's happening, try
and get him like intrigued about it, but he hasn't he's not he's
not keen at all. But he also goes to church,
right? So in his eyes, my witchcraft is
very woo woo and all of the rest of it.
But I say tonight, I'm really accepting of your beliefs.
You know, why are you not accepting of mine?
But yeah, so so my, my plan, I spoke to him about YouTube.
I'm like, please help me with YouTube because that is a
different that's a different world Geo.
If you decide to go on YouTube, it's not normal over there.
And I'm like, and he's like, you will never be able to do
YouTube. So I thought, right, that is it.
I'm doing it. It's very slow, but I'm like,
I'm only doing it to prove him wrong, like, you know, but
you're being nice to your daughter and going, actually,
I'm going to do something that she will find.
Yeah. Well.
Like that she will enjoy. So when you look back on how you
started, what is something that you just don't do anymore, you
just don't prescribe to, but you did in the beginning?
Loads of stuff I used to cast. I used to cast circles and
uncast circles with every single breath.
I don't do that at all anymore. Well, occasionally just
depending on where I'm working with energy.
That's unusual feel of the the place, but I don't do that
hardly ever anymore. And that used to be a a fool
calling in of the quarters and all of that.
You know, that was in the early 2000s maybe.
And I kind of, yeah, once I once I started to understand like
feel what the difference was. And I think I maybe just forgot
to do it. Once there was a definite
difference for me and what the board it felt like.
And I was like, I'm going to try that again.
And it was, yeah, better. So a lot of this, a lot of the
things that I'm doing, I'm trying to connect to the the
wider energy of the world. And when I cast a circle, I feel
as if I'm really drawn in. So bother anymore, I just let
it. I'll try and let it be.
Really. Everything else right about me
but the craft. Made it super cool, didn't it,
to cast a circle and call in the quarters and you know, obviously
very Wiccan as well. I now I call in not the
quarters, but I do call in the elements.
I find it a really nice part of my meditation practice and I,
because I, I work with the drum as well.
I kind of talk to the north-south, east, West and just
call upon like the spirits or kind of the energy of like the
sunrise based on where we're working with.
So I love doing that, but I don't do it in like a
ritualistic way. It's more about just coming back
to myself like that, that grounding energy, and just being
appreciative of the energy. Because it's not really an
ancient practice, is it? It doesn't align anywhere, but
it just reminds me about that energy.
So I do like it. But yeah, I'm not doing the
whole craft thing. Stood on a beach.
Hey, I'd love to. That looked quite cool, isn't
it? Oh, do you do it?
Hang on. No, Well, no.
I mean, I've, I've to be honest with you, I've never cast a
circle and I never have. Like like I've said in in
previous podcasts, I've always viewed things that I've read,
things that I've researched as a blueprint, as a guide, very much
like what we were talking about earlier.
You know, the only access I had as a teenager growing up were
box very dedicated to Wicker or Wicker.
And there were many elements within that that sounded
beautiful, that I felt attracted to it.
But equally I knew there was another way.
I can't explain it other than I knew there was another way to do
this. And what they were explaining to
do, you know, about, you know, call calling in all this that
and the other. It just didn't sit with me.
And I just, for me, I, I view it more as connecting with my own
inner power and connecting with what I work with.
And that alignment with the place around me, with the land
around me, aligning myself with the spirit of place.
That's how I've kind of always done it.
And to me, that feels like home. Yeah, well, she, she's grown up,
I think in in witchcraft. Have you, Gio?
I don't think you did, did you? Did you come into it as a
teenager? Yeah, commence it as a teenager,
my way into metaphysical, metaphysical shop in the town I
grew up in when I was wasn't trusted to be at home on my own
in the summer holidays. And yeah, I couldn't find the
place down. I think my parents were
frightened for their insurance bill.
And I went into a shop. The shop was called Bell Book
and Candle in the town that I lived, I lived in.
And there was tons of wicked stuff on the shelf then.
And I, the thing that made me like stop in my tracks, I was
looking at actually, I'm a bit bloody, but the wheel of the the
wheel of the year posted on the wall in the shop and I was
looking at it and I just thought it looked beautiful.
And the, the shop owner gave me like full permission to be like,
that's a Wiccan thing. You'll is not a Scottish
tradition. It's from, you know, Nordic
countries, which is in Mabon, isn't a Scottish thing.
It's not even a Welsh thing. It's a Welsh God.
That's not it's not really started.
On that now. You had to bring it.
You had to bring it up. I was going to warn you.
I was going. To but that was that was my
introduction to it at 14 years old.
It was like they wrote about this, but it's a bit of in
Scottish folk culture, we've got huge ceremonial knowledge around
the fire festival. So savage and Lunas, a beltine
and emolk. We've got massive information
and and you know, we know what we did around those festivals
for for centuries, but for the, for the solstices and the
equinoxes, we didn't have words to describe them there.
There was no Litha or marble and or whatever.
You know, there wasn't any of this in Scotland, so, but we
definitely had a real veneration for those times of the year
because we had all of our stone circles and our Cairns that were
pointing in the directions at each of those times.
So when I was looking at that way back then, I kind of
understood that the solstices and the equinoxes were like our
big marker points, like a big calendar.
And then our Fyre festivals happened midway between each of
those big markers. So I don't I never really got
like really strung up on like researching Marvin.
You know, I never never came to me that to think that I had to.
And then you'll never really sat with me either.
That wasn't something that yeah, like having a Christmas tree in
the house and people call it a Yule tree because that's
obviously where it came from. But that wasn't even I've only
started doing you'll. It's not even it's not really
even a practice, but because I do the 13 magical nights from
the from this and I do it from the solstice.
I don't even do it over the period that you know, that
that's that ritually originally comes from, but I do, I start on
the the solstice. So I didn't, I was just, I just
was never given. I never had to unlearn that.
That was just given to me as A and by the way, we don't call it
that and we don't call it this. And that's just a nice
interpretation of how to fit all that into one circle across all
the different Celtic cultures. But there are, you know, English
people who don't know what back in the day when her ancestors
were old, there were, there would be English people who
wouldn't have the slightest idea what Yule was.
And I was going to say there were people who weren't, well,
she wouldn't know what my bond was, but probably Welsh people
didn't know what that was either.
Yeah, I love that you, I, I, and this is so important, I think
for our community and especially for people remembering, like you
said, you know, like I've heard you speak before about, you
know, that whimsical kind of metaphysical shot that you went
into and you said, I, I just had this knowing it was like just
this light bulb within your soul just lit.
And it was like almost like I'm home.
And I love that. But I think it's so important
for people to acknowledge that your path is yours.
And it's incredibly important to lean into things that feel
familiar, that feel safe, but to also explore as well, you know,
and, and, and to spread your wings and to, and to practice,
to try. No, I think that that's AI think
that that's a big part of my practice is leaning into what
feels, what feels right. And there's there's lots of
things that I practice that are outside Scottish or Celtic
culture and but I don't bang on about them.
It's just a private practice for me to do on my own.
I'm not like, you know, to and and unblock our spells on them
and online and using, you know, from other cultures.
I just don't. But I'd really like to read
about those things and I like to understand why those things took
took place and how that's important to those cultures.
And then if that sometimes inspires my own practice in
other ways, But it's not like, for example, I, I use a red red
thread drowned my dreams for Feng shui.
So that's, that's not part of my culture.
But I think I really think it's really cool and I use it.
And then I also put green thread drowned the pipe where the water
comes into my house. And that was just something that
came to me from inspiration from the red thread from the water
that's leaving my house as a, as a blessing and a marker of
abundance and health coming into my home and that same flow of
water. So I do like to understand why
other cultures do other things from a folk practice point of
view. And yeah, I'll incorporate if it
feels nice to me, I'll incorporate some of those things
into my own practice. But the bedrock of what I do is
Scottish folk culture and that's that, that's just never going to
change. That's I saw someone making them
tacos the other week from potato scones, which is, you know,
Mexican food and Scottish collab together.
So I quite sometimes I quite like those little mash ups of
culture. Yeah.
What are they called? What they are they called
scones? Are they or they tatties?
What was? I went to Scotland.
I did a 2. I did the NC 500 a couple of
years ago. Oh, I did Yeah, yeah.
Tatties. Yeah.
Well, I'm going to.
NC. 500 it's the most honestly. It is gorgeous.
It's a beautiful place to go. I think.
I think in the rest of Scotland we call it tati scones, but I've
my family have always called it Totti scones.
So it's a totti scone in our house, but it's like a soda fat,
like it's a, like a potato cake, an Irish potato.
That's not. That's different.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's different.
But it's lovely with high guests, which I love.
I don't like. I don't like black pudding.
I don't think it's got any flavour.
Nothing. But I went to Scotland.
Oh, if anybody's never tried haggis.
Oh, and I come home and then I have to cake pie in it.
But obviously I get it from a good place.
Yeah. I mean, actually there's meat in
it though, right. And you're are you vegan?
I'm vegan, so either you get vegan haggis, which is actually
delicious, but it's there's saying that there's meat in it.
It's a pretty hard stretch. There's bits of animal in it,
but you know. Yeah, it's like, but it's still
delicious. Sorry, sorry to all the vegans.
You know, I, I mean, I used to eat it.
I didn't stop eating animals because I don't like the way
they tasted. I stopped it for a number of
different reasons. So I get, you know, and black
pudding is one of those things that I, I miss the taste of.
There's a guy near us. He's basically a vegan butcher.
So he makes like, we have a, we have a type of sausage in
Scotland called a Lauren sausage or square sausage.
And he makes that in a vegan style.
And he thought he's been, he's been making some black pudding
too, but it's not quite the same.
But it'll do. Yeah, but it's vegan part of
your spiritual practice as well, because some, I mean, you
probably haven't spoken about online and maybe people don't
necessarily correlate the two, but you know, vibrationally,
some people lean into that, don't they, as part of like
hiring our vibration and not not consuming meat.
I've never been able to cover that, go over that threshold.
I'm a big cheese fan. I think meat I could probably
do, but cheese you'd have to claw out of my dead.
The lifeless body there's. Some really good vegan cheeses
out there. There's some really good vegan
cheese. It's that really.
It's that really I've. Been vegan for 15 years, so the
first. Thing you've forgotten.
You can't. You've forgotten what real
cheese is like. Oh.
Well, I don't think, well, I don't know, but the first types
of vegan cheese that I tried were just like terrible.
Like it was really bad. But I, I started, I started
being vegan because of my daughter was in primary school
at the time and she went to school Scottish Gaelic school.
So there was lots of different religions within her classroom.
There were loads of kids giving up chocolate for Lent.
And she came home and said that she wanted to give up chocolate
for Lent. And I explained to her that we
weren't Catholic and she didn't have to do that.
And she said she wanted to because she was supporting her
friends and they were doing it too.
So I said, right, that's cool. And she said, well, what are you
going to do? I was like, so I've been
thinking about going vegan for a while and I thought, oh, I can
do it for 40 days. So I did it and it just entirely
changed the the depth of my practice and the depth of my
connection. I just can't.
There's 101 other reasons why I've remained vegan, but that's
that definitely is one of them. Part of my practice is making
sure that I live in right relation with things.
So not taking it's like the kind of foragers code.
You don't take more than your than you, then you leave.
And that felt like a big massive turning key in my lock was that
was really like a big, big part of me living in right relation
was that I didn't use animals in an exploitative way.
I can. I can understand that because
that was when I had a massive spiritual awakening, when I gave
up alcohol and I wasn't an alcoholic, but my brother was
dying and I just couldn't face it.
I just, I needed to live life without that substance.
You know, the bottle of wine on a Friday night where you know
that culture we all get into. So I gave up for 16 months in
the end. And that was when my whole
spiritual practice completely lifted off because my body was
and my mind was free. So let everything in that needed
to come to me. And I suppose it's the same with
anything that we consume. You're still not going to make
me give up cheese though, Not a chance.
But I can I, but I can genuinely, I can imagine the
benefit of it because I've seen it.
I've seen even. I don't try and twist people's
arm up their back to be vegan and it's a very personal thing
for me. Do I think everyone should be?
Maybe, but it's only because it's only because of warrior,
it's because of what I've experienced.
You know, it's it's like that would be like, you know, when
you gave up drinking alcohol, you should pretend everyone
should give that a bash and see what that feels like, you know,
and because. They're like, oh, I don't, I
don't drink that much, I said. It's not even a little bit.
Just even if you have a drink once a week, when you cut it
out, it's harder than you think. And it's the change is
completely different. But I did have a friend once who
used to have like a business card that they would leave at
bars and pubs going, I'm really sorry, I'm vegan and I couldn't
eat here. And I'm like oh, because she
would only have because they only had chips on the menu and
I. Just eat the chips.
Yeah, but she'd leave the card behind going well, I couldn't
eat here because you didn't cater for my veganness.
But listen, that might not be the type of person that I am,
but I absolutely ride on the coat tails of those people
because it's those people that make those big change change and
then I get to eat there afterwards, so.
That is bad. That is bad.
But the thing about alcohol is I always remember, you know,
there's a big, there's been a big upsurge in people doing
things like ayahuasca and you know, the LSD and DMT and all
these things to kind of get connect yourself to the, to
another, another plane. Alcohol is not any different for
me really from that. I think that when you use
alcohol or drugs of any kind from a from a point of view of
trying to get out of your mind. Put me like a bit just but just
to take the take you to another place from it.
It's kind of like getting taken on a journey, but in handcuffs.
Whereas when you get out of your mind through meditation or
drumming, I've just experienced my first drum journey that was
it's amazing. I actually I can't understand
how for 44 years, that's the and that's the first time that
that's come across my path. It's just.
Yeah, I did a drum berthing. So I birthed my own drum, which
my wife likes to take the piss out of.
I'm like, look, I'm, I mean, maybe that wouldn't be for you
because you're vegan, but it's using that hide and bringing
life back into it. But it's not for everybody
drumming because if you're not, if you're not emotionally in the
right place, drums really shift energy in you.
And I did resist it for quite a long time because I used to go
to a lot of circles and communities and I could feel the
energy and because I've been grieving for feels like forever
my stupid brother. I couldn't deal with it.
But now I'm in a place where I find it so and I get to go to
Ave. free somewhere around the stones and I drum with loads of
other people. Sorry I know you were mid
sentence but I got really excited in like 2 drums.
Now I love them. But when you meditate or you go
on a drum journey or you do something or some repetitive
movement where that gets you out of your thinking mind, it's like
you're going there voluntarily. While people might use things
like LSD or DMT or alcohol or whatever to get themselves out
of their thinking mind, it's you're there in handcuffs and
you're there, you're beholden to it until the effects that wear
off. Whereas when you do it or you're
trying to connect or come out of your thinking mind and connect
to the bigger picture voluntarily or through through
some sort of process, it's a much gentler experience in my,
in my experience. But the drop, the drumming, can
I just see that We went to Kilmarton Glen as part of ours.
We were in a women's circle and we went to Kilmarton Glen to go.
There's some standings to Kilmarton Glen is one of these
places where I think in like the 50s they found about 30 or 40
stone circles with like carvings in the circles in the stones.
And since they've been unearthing it, there's 900 now.
So it's just this the energy in this Glen in Scotland is just
absolutely stupendous. It's just any lay by you stop
and you go out and stand and there's a standing stone or a
massive big sheet of rock with desk and cup marks that's been
worn into them and they're just, they're beautiful.
But the, the women's circle, we went to Colmart and Glen.
We stood with her standing stones for a while.
We sat and drummed wasn't, wasn't a drum journey, but the,
the woman who was running that for us, she drummed for a while
round the stone circle and then we went to a burial Cairn.
So burial Cairns are these holes that have been dug in the
ground. They're, they're shored up with
like big huge bits of stone and then they're covered, There's a
slab on the top and then they're covered over with loads and
loads and loads of rocks. And this video Cairn had been
there for a couple of 1000 years, three 4000 years.
So there was no bones left in it.
It's been restored by archaeologists to kind of put it
back into a state so that people can visit and have a look at it.
There's, there's hundreds and hundreds of Cairns that are in
Scotland, but this one in particular, you can go inside,
the six of us went down inside this Cairn.
So you're in a Chamber of stone. She drummed us for about an
hour. And I've never experienced, I do
a bit of head riding, which is like, I enjoy doing that, but it
takes me a while to to get there.
And sometimes it's for 5 minutes and I'm out again.
But this was like 1/2 hour of me just with my eyes shut just
being like watching all of this stuff happening right about me.
The messages from it were just absolutely dumbfounding to me.
And I can't, I feel a little bit grief stricken that I've not
been doing it for longer. And so, yeah, I think I I've got
a set of bongos over there. I've got I've got bongos as
well. I've got, I've got like a whole,
I've got a rain stick. I've got all sorts of sound
stuff going on. I've got stuff behind me.
But I've got 2 drums now. I've got a deer and a goat and I
the. Thing that I didn't understand
about it, when I've listened to drumming tracks like on YouTube
or whatever, I'm like, yeah, there's a drum banging.
I couldn't get the and she kept talking about listening to your
drums song, like the singing, the song that comes from your
drum. But because of the vibrations
happening, it's just this steady drum beat and the vibration
coming off the drums in your ear.
It sounds like that's going on for ages.
It's like a singing ball. And I was just, it was
astounding. I can't think, you know, I
really, really enjoyed it and I can't, I'm actually, I've not
spoken about that online or anything yet, but yeah, I'm
really, I just thought that it was, I'm still processing it.
I think that's the thing. It was just a big shift for
sure. Yeah, well, yeah, I've been
drumming for a little while and because I go down to Avery,
Avery's like 20 minutes from me. I've got that biggest stone
circle in the world down there, which is just incredible.
But the journeys that we go on as a women that all come
together. And in the last podcast,
actually, I think it there after this.
But I spoke about the last one I went to.
Oh no, it wasn't. Actually, I went last weekend,
but I I found a mouse and it died and there was all sorts of
grief I didn't share on social, so it was awful.
Anonymous and Vicky knew about it because I rang them and I
should cry in a few days. But I sat in the circle of women
sobbing and I don't apologize for that anymore.
I've reached a point in my life where I'm really accepting of
all my emotions, even the really ugly, throaty ones, but then
strumming with other people and I feel like the energy of the
drum holds you. Not only have you got the energy
of their, the women, but we're all, and they were all really
joyous and happy. The sun was out and we were all
dancing. The mouse died.
I mean, the mouse died, but it was more about my brother Scott
and his ashes the week after. So it's more about that.
And, you know, all the symbology associated with it.
But but yeah, the drumming is every time I go, there's just
something different. And now because of that and
because I go to Avebury, I've started to connect to dragon
magic, which I never thought I would do.
So that's a whole it just our paths and our practices and
craft just evolve all of the time.
And I always kind of went, Oh no, that's far too modern,
modern of practice for me to look at.
But it's it's called me and it got me.
And yeah, so that's a whole new rabbit hole I'm going down at
the moment as well. I mean Anonymous is Dragons,
unicorns and fairies all day so. Yeah, I'm in, I'm in.
Listen, the Unicorn is the national animal of Scotland, so
I'm with him. Oh well, you're not going to
like me in the keep or cut then. I forgot about that.
I forgot about that because I Anyway, we'll wait for that
little little section. It's all right because I think
it follows nicely after what you were describing about your
experience with the Cairns. Have I pronounced that
correctly? Is what role do you think the
spirit of place, landscape and history plays in your craft and
how important is it for you it's.
It's the, it's probably one of the most important things.
Spirit of Place underpins everything I do.
I could easily have been that Scottish witch or that whatever
kind of witch, but I am very specifically that Glasgow witch
because the spirit of this city that I live in is absolutely
running through me and I tap into that.
I tap into her energy all the time.
It is, I think spirit of places. We we very similar to you guys
when you have your own language in Scottish Gallic, all of our
place names are really tightly associated with the land.
So Glasgow, for example, in Gallic is in Glasgow, which
means the green hollow. So I don't know.
Sounds beautiful that doesn't it?
It sounds, I mean no offense to the word Glasgow, but it sounds
so beautiful in Gallic. And it's just Glasgow.
So it's just my daughter Will absolutely come through me for
pronouncing that wrong and like just a tiny bit.
But it's it means that the green hollow.
And colloquially we call Glasgow our deer green place because
we've got so many parks. But actually it's probably gone
before that time where before Glasgow was even a city that was
this beautiful green place to stay.
And if you were to walk through Glasgow City centre today, you
wouldn't think that it's a, it's a major city.
It's you know. But I know that underneath the
bricks and the pavements and the sandstone buildings and the
marble in our City Hall that at it's heart it's a green place
because the name Glasgow tells me so.
So I know that, you know, that I'm constantly connected to the
land. I think that it's we are made of
it. Like when people talk about
going into nature, yeah, I'm always like, well, you are
nature. What do you mean?
You know, you could be in a concrete box and be in nature.
So. But yeah.
And again, one of the, one of the areas of my practice that I
don't share an awful lot online, I use what I call they're called
skiri stains, which just means colourful stones.
One represents water and to me emotion.
One represents the sky and to me spirit.
And then one represents earth and to me that's just the, the
land that we're on. So I use, I use the skinny
scenes quite often in a kind of divination, I suppose.
So sometimes if there's anything, if I feel a bit out of
sorts or I just need a bit of guidance on something, I'll use
those stones to try and pinpoint what which of them is out of
kilter with the others. And often it's the it's the land
one that comes up. So when that happens, I'll take
this with me and I'll disappear off out into the world.
And it's more so that spirit just telling me get out from in
your basement, you little house Hobbit, and start being cut the
being in the cartoon. That reminds me of the Kerodwin
3 cauldrons, right? It's it's like a similar story.
I mean, it's not chakras, but it's like those energy centers
and you're using it. I mean, I don't want to put
words in your mouth, but that's what you're saying.
It's like an energy center. You're going, ah, right.
I'm not grounded. That Stone's just told me
because it's flipped on its side.
So I need to go and put my toes in the ground.
And it's not necessarily that's that that's been written
anywhere or anywhere that I can think about referencing that
back to. But in Scottish culture, this we
didn't, we didn't have four quarters.
We had the sea, the, the, the earth, the sky, the sea.
That was our three, you know, that was a layer of that was a
layer of our, you know, keeping our compass, I suppose.
So the threes are a big part of Celtic culture and it's no
different here. So, and our three is the sky,
the land and the sea. But, but that like in, in my
practice, I know water is in motion.
I know that the land is the the material and I know the sky is
spirit. So that when I use those skiddy
stains, I just that that's how I use them.
And although they're used for other things too.
So like, for example, if you would, if I were to have done
that and this this spirit stone came out, for example, the sky
stone came out, then I might use that stone and then use the
water to do some sort of cleansing, healing or something
along the lines of that. So you're imbuing the stone with
the power of the particular. Yeah.
You know, you're imbuing the water, sorry, with the power of
the particular stone. Or you could just Add all three
of them into it and make it like super juice.
Yeah, it's, it's one of those like unlock moments, isn't it?
When you, when you work, I mean, I work 1:00 to 1:00 with people
and, and everybody wants guidance and they want to be
told. But actually it's unlocking
what's true and authentic to you.
And you've learnt things along the way and you understand what
that means for you. But this is part of your
personal practice and Anon and Vicki and I talk about this a
lot like you, there's a lot people don't know about my
practice online because it's part of my personal practice.
And Anon, we know, obviously I say anonymous, which is best for
all of us really. And Vicky and Vicky's the same
online. She does green witchcraft and
she's in a wheelchair and you know, she comes across like she
says all softly and nicely. And she is, she's lovely.
She's also a very balanced practitioner, so she doesn't
mind working with some of what would be perceived as as more
challenging energies as well. But that's part of her personal.
She doesn't share it. But that doesn't she's grown up
a witch, same as same as Annon. But yeah, it it's I, I feel the
same. To be honest with that when it
comes to working with other energies, and you know, when
people speak about painful magic online quite often.
And I'm really aware that I've been sharing my practice for one
year and if I was talking to myself one year into practice
about painful magic, I just would back off and I wouldn't
even do it anymore. So I wouldn't speak about that
because it's maybe a bit too. It's like, it's like trying.
I always I like to associate witchcraft to cooking quite a
lot because everyone eats right. So they understand how you how
you get that energy into your body working with painful magic,
or I don't even like calling it that.
It's more like just this magic to me.
So, you know, I have an, an effigy of a certain orange guy
hanging from a tree near my house.
And it's not that I'm doing it because I that is is for there's
a greater purpose. You know, I, I'm a nice person.
I would never walk up to a person in the street and thump
them, but I'd love to see that, by the way.
Just make sure you record it. You do that would definitely go
viral. But if I was a.
Witch loses her shit, can you? Imagine, but if I was being
attacked or I was watching someone be attacked and I was
there presently being able to help, then I would physically
intervene with that. I'm not just going to stand at
the side and be like, I'm going to love and like that person to
to well them to stop doing it. I'd physically intervene.
So when it comes to being full magic or just this magic, I will
do spells to to to energetically intervene in different aspects.
And I don't shy away from talking about it.
I just don't. There's so much nuance around it
and I don't I can't fit in a 3 minute video and social media.
Is great at glamorizing it, right?
And like you say, there's nuance and it's much deeper than it's
made to be as well. And, and yeah, I think, yeah,
it's a, it's a real challenge, isn't it, manoeuvring some of
that on, on socialism. It's like this whole.
Hex in the moon stuff. Do you remember that happened?
Yeah. How dare they?
And he was my best friend. But yeah, so you can't have any.
Ethical lines Do you think that you would not absolutely cross
within your practice? I'm sure there are.
I can't think of any off the top of my head.
I don't, you know, there's not, I don't know, maybe I can just
put spin on something to make it have a good at like have a
positive thought process in the head.
Doesn't matter what it is, but I'm sure there are.
I mean, I certainly, I certainly would never begin a working
without understanding how to undo the working.
I'm like that. Yeah, 100%.
So I I. I try to start with the I try to
start with the undoing of it, because even if you mean
something to be permanent, this, you know that that's, that's
your mindset now while you're doing that spell work.
And you know, in six months time, 10 years time, that might
change. And we had this conversation.
With Vicki and she was like, no, well, if you're doing it, you've
already decided and then you have to fully commit, she said.
So why are you trying to get out of it?
Basically, I think me and you on and we're both saying going, oh,
we kind of want to like put a get out clause in there just in
case. We always have that.
I always have that. Just as what?
Like how, you know, Gio was explaining.
It's like, I always like justice.
Work for me isn't always necessarily the last plan of
action. It's not always, it's incredibly
important for me to listen and understand my emotions, but I
always sleep on something, you know?
I will always do divination on something because I'm, because
I, I can say this because I'm Welsh, but I am very, very
passionate, you know, and I'm, I go from north to 60 incredibly
quickly. So I, I know me as a person, I'd
be like, right, let's do some justice work.
I think it's so important to rest, to ground, to centre and
anything. I do like that, I would always
put a clause in it because just as you said, Gio, there's,
there's so many consequences. There's so many things that you
have to think out with the box as well.
Sometimes I know, especially if if someone is like the main
breadwinner of the family, but I will always put something in
there to say right. In 10 years time I might not
feel the same as what I do now and perhaps I feel that justice
work has now been done and I think that's I think that.
That's really important. And the thing about, you know,
not being reactive, I'm not a reactive witch.
I don't, you know, I'll sit and Mull things over for days and
weeks before I decide to do any, any spell work.
And again, a lot of my practice is about being in right relation
and that comes to understanding how like what you're putting out
there versus what it is that you're trying to change.
You need to have them, they need to be both being balanced.
You can't like over egg the pudding, I suppose.
And you know, for, you know, the the minor inconveniences of your
life. But yeah, so I'm like, I
definitely, I definitely don't. I'm not a reactive person in
life anyway. So I will go and think about
things before doing anything I'm going to.
If someone asks me what I'm having for dinner, I need a good
hour and a half before I decide what I'm going to eat.
Oh, so it's not that you're not? Reactive.
You're a procrastinator. Like should I?
Would I? How would you I just, I'm, I'm
just really very aware that I'm a, I'm a spiritual being inside
the confines of a human body. Yeah.
And so I, I don't see all things.
I don't see the outcomes of all of the things that could ever
possibly happen. And I'm aware of that and I'm
accepting of that. So I you need to be teachable
and you need to understand that things change.
And, and I always remember, I don't know where I, I don't know
where I heard this, but I always remember hearing you should
never conjure something you can't banish.
And I think that that's just clever.
I don't think that that's, you know, not leaning into it.
I think that that's, if you're going to conjure something,
then, you know, you need to be able to banish that thing too.
Yeah, I know. It's such an.
Interesting and difficult topic as well to teach beginners
coming to the craft. I literally I left somebody a
voice note. I think people leave me messages
on Instagram and go, Oh my God, girls left me a voice note.
But it's just easier. But they were saying like, I'm
really fearful that it's going to come back and get me like, or
something's going to come and hit me back.
And I was like, look, this is my understanding of it.
You know, you've got the Wiccan threefold law and you've also
got, you know, religious and Christianity beliefs that we
brought out with sometimes that religious ingrained in us to
always fear, you know, the fear of God, right?
There's consequences to our actions.
So I said that's one train of thought.
But actually, as you educate yourself more, and that's the
thing I say most just learn more than you'll feel more
comfortable. But it is about balance.
You don't have to do justice magic if it doesn't sit right
with you. You don't even have to do a
bloody spell. I mean, it's nice.
I, I like it, it's empowering. And yeah, it's, it's a fun part
of the, the, the craft. But you don't have to.
But yeah, the painful thing can really put people off because it
is so glamorised. I don't know, I think.
Because we, we're, we're being women and witches.
I was just speaking about this other day.
You know when you when you think about wise old men with pointy
hats, they're all sweet and wizardly, but when you Gandalf.
I watch that on the weekend. Lord of the Rings.
Don't know why when you think about old.
Women with pointy hats. Then they come and eat your
children and and cut off your penises.
Yeah, so. I think we're we're, we're kind
of given a bit of a bum steer before we even get out the
gates. You know that we're going to be
doing bad things, but you need to think about who you are as a
person. Like are you a good person?
Are you a bad person? Like people always say to me,
are you a good witch? You're a bad witch.
And I'm like, well, some days I forget it's the full moon.
Like, you know, so maybe I'm a bad witch, but I'm not a bad.
No one ever has asked me outright am IA good person or am
IA bad person because my actions denate what type of person I am.
I don't I don't see that being any different within within the
craft and someone was physically in danger and I didn't do
something to help them. I would think that that would be
would be being a bad person. So you know, when it comes to
that from an energetic point of view, same, same thing.
I suppose I just wouldn't. But I think what I know one has
said about making sure you're not being reactive is is good
because if you weren't, if you wouldn't do that in in mundane
life, you know someone said something and before that's out
their mouth, you've had a quick throat punch in there, then you.
That. Say, if you're not going to do
that in mundane life, then you don't do that in your magical
life either. Exactly.
OK, I want to ask.
Vicky's question because it's a really good one and she's really
sorry she couldn't make it this evening, But what's the smallest
or most ordinary moment that you've suddenly thought this is
what witchcraft actually is? My dad died in. 2021 And I've
obviously been practicing my whole well, since I was 14.
I'm practicing all the way through.
And I would absolutely have been like, you know, throwing my hat
in the ring. Yes, I'm a witch.
I practice all the time. You know, I observe all the all
the sabbats and I do the stuff that witches are supposed to do.
And I had an ancestor altar that I maybe like put some flowers on
when it was my gran's birthday or you know, occasionally put a
bit incense on there. But like I've got another couple
altars around the house where it's not like a work, a constant
working altar. It's maybe just they're there
seasonally and I do things with him seasonally.
And I started making my dad after when he'd passed away, I
really missed having my cups of coffee with my dad.
So I started making cups of coffee for him really sweet
because he had three sugars in his coffee and sat them on my
ancestor altar just as a way of trying to work through the grief
of that and not having him, You know, I was like allowed myself
that kind of 10-15 minutes in the morning to like be in the
grief of it. And there came a point and the
constant repetition of that pattern because I needed it at
the time. I really needed to do it, to
have that crutch of support of, you know, because your dad's
died, right? My husband's parents were both
still alive at that time. I can't go and cry to my mum
because her husband's just died. My sister's feeling it as badly
as I am. And you know, you don't want to
be a burden on anyone. So you're trying to process the
emotion of you though being a fatherless daughter.
And so the and the person who I would have spoken to about that
was my dad. So I sat at my ancestral altar
every day for about a month. Georgia took him a coffee in the
morning. I sat down and I said all the
things that just all the things I was feeling.
At some point that stopped feeling like a crutch and it
started feeling like an expanding moment.
And then I was leaving tobacco for my grandparents and I have a
pipe there for my granddad. And I had, I put a little carved
thing that I have up there to represent the ancestors that I
don't, that I never knew. Have some, I've put some
pictures off of my grandparents. And that then for the last six
years, that's been my daily practice being there.
And it was, and it's been such a massive shift and how I go about
my day because that's my, that's my first.
And I don't, if I, if there's any, if there's mornings where
it's not happened because you know, the dog's been sick or you
know, there's been something going on and I can't get there
with a coffee. It's not the end of the world
because I know that that's part of my practice and it wouldn't
look like anything. It's literally, I make a coffee
in the morning. I have two cups and I take 1 and
I have a sit down on a chair. And if you were to be observing
that from the outside, it just looks like a woman who's made a
cup of coffee for someone who's not turned up yet.
But they did, they have turned up and I'm having a full
dialogue. And that's been, that's been one
of the most grinding and affirming parts of my practice
and ancestor veneration has. And it wasn't part of my
practice in such a solidifying way right up until 2021.
And my dad kind of opened the door for that.
And now I have access to all these ancestors that I didn't
really understand were there before for me.
Like I knew like you, you know, you think you've got your
ancestors there, but I'm in conversation with them on a
daily basis. And I feel my grandparents and I
feel the unknown ancestors. And when I was contemplating
filming my videos, I was, I wondered where it was best to do
it. And they told me here.
So that's where I film my videos every day because they told me
to. It sounds so nourishing.
Gio, it sounds like such a nourishing part of your
practice, but part of your identity and your
acknowledgement of everybody that came before you.
I think that's such a beautiful, like you said, simplistic ritual
role that you do and it's OK if it's not done on on on some
days, you know, bless you, you, you you have my condolences.
But how you explained that was just so nourishing.
It sounds a beautiful practice. Yeah, I'm not an.
Envious person particularly, but I do.
There's something about that that I wish I could lean into.
I've I've spoken about this before, but I don't communicate
with my brother. I can't face it.
I'm not ready or sleeping dead. That's when I started social
media about the same time. So just over a year ago.
That was literally the reason I started, just to avoid it,
right? He was 44.
It's not fair. And I literally probably in the
last six months, I've got pictures up there which are
amazing. So I'm here with him every day,
but I never, never actually never.
Maybe once or twice I speak to him and I'm a witch.
I know that's possible. It's part of my practice to
commune with spirit. I'm just not.
And Vicki actually lost her sister years ago, but she was
also quite young and she said she still doesn't communicate
with with hers either. So it's amazing that you've
managed to build it in. I'm just still avoiding.
And I know it. I know, I know.
But the thing about that is too. Gayle is that that was my dad
that died. And that's the order of things.
Yeah, it's supposed. To go before.
You, you do, you know, and it's really difficult to think about
tragedy, I suppose my dad was, he died.
You know, I could have had another 76 years with my dad and
that wouldn't have been enough. But he did a full life and that,
and I've got a bit of, there's a bit of ease in knowing that.
That's the cycle. But your brother was 44.
So I, he did it on purpose. He died.
On purpose to wind me up. It was like, there's 10, there's
ten months between us. But you know, you know, there's
not many people I can say this to.
And thankfully not a lot of my family listen to anything I do
on social media, on my podcast. But I also, I also take a lot of
comfort in knowing that he was supposed to go as part of my
life lesson. And he evolved way too quickly,
which is why he went sooner. And not many people outside of a
spiritual path are able to accept that.
Or they may just go, Oh, that's how she's coping with it.
That's that's how she but I know that and he knew that too.
He said, you can talk to me all you want.
I won't answer back. And that's probably part of the
part of the resistance in me as well, knowing what he said,
because he knew he was going to go, which wasn't.
Even, like whether you talk to your ancestors or not, or you
talk to your beloved dead or not, they're still there.
Yeah. You know they're still guiding.
Your path, and they're still giving you the nudges that you
need to, you know, you don't have to be in communication with
them to know that they're, they're like threading a little
net underneath you to keep you held.
Yeah, I've seen, I've seen a mop.
Yesterday and he hated moths and moths are my sign that he's
listening and I needed a bit of a message because he's always
thought moths are going to come in and eat your brains when you
sleep. So he he was really.
Actually quite scared of them because he was a big baby but
yeah so I've seen him a beautiful cinnabar moth
yesterday and it was just at the right time and and that stuff
brings me comfort and. And this part of my practice and
I'm. But yeah yours is absolutely
beautiful, absolutely amazing. I'm just really lucky that I.
Find to do it. That was all.
You know, I could be here six years down the line still being
a witch and not having ever done that.
And yeah, it was. It's definitely, it's definitely
solidified my practice. I don't think I'd actually be
doing the social media stuff that I do if it wasn't for that,
to be honest, because I don't know, there's a bit of it's
scary to put yourself out into the world the way that the way
that you do when you're on social media.
And I don't have, I feel as if I have got enough, like I'm solid
enough in my practice that I don't need to wear an armour to
protect it because I know what, you know, what, how I am and
what I'm doing. And I'll, I'll shade it openly.
Well, I I honestly. Thought that you're just a pipe
smoker. I thought, Oh my God, there she
is, toughen her pipe. I mean, I do smoke to pipe.
I do smoke. Smoke a pipe, do you?
Yeah, but not tobacco. I don't.
I'll never use. I'll maybe use a bit of mugwort
or in fact, I was in, I was in Denver just recently and they
have an apothecary there and I got a smoking blend of
marshmallow root and valerian and all sorts of things.
Oh it. Stinks though, don't it?
Valerian honks. Man, it's.
Just it's absolutely great it. Does the job, it does the job.
I can't. Like if somebody asks me to make
them like a sleep pouch and I'm like, oh, Valerian's so good,
but it really smells. I'm so no matter how much
lavender I bring in it, it's not going to get rid of that stench.
It's like. My, my cat loves Valerian.
She didn't touch. She wouldn't touch catnip.
But anytime I've got Valerian, she just, you know, the way cats
go where they, they get all psycho on you.
She was. Yeah, well, I'm the.
Worst whichever because I'm allergic to cats.
So fun fun times. Only person in my house.
Not allergic to cats, everyone else's and they just have to
deal with it. Can you?
Tell us. About a local.
Legend or a witch from your community that fascinates you.
I can. It's more a local legend than a
witch. So we, this is going to connect
to you and I and on because of the, the Welsh connection here.
But in Glasgow, we have a river that runs through the middle of
our city. It splits the city in half.
And on the South side of the river is where I, I stay.
And then on the north side of the river, we split it into the,
the West End and the East End. So this city, the, the, the
river that runs through it starts off in Lanarkshire, which
is just a town much, much further South.
And it runs all the way from there through multiple towns and
exits over at the Atlantic on the way out to Ireland.
And it's called the Clyde now it gets its name from Clod or Cloa.
So Clod was a river goddess in Wales and we at a certain point
in time had a Welsh speaking tribe in Scotland called the
Damnoni tribe and they and they said they settled in Lanarkshire
and where the three points of this river, well the where the
kind of source of this river happens is where 3 Three Rivers
meet. And it was so noisy.
It reminded them of the clod, the river from in, in Wales.
So they named this river for that same goddess because it was
such a it's a noisy thing. It's like she's she, she has the
ear of the gods. She's like so cleansing like the
the very Welsh then the. Volume that comes from.
Her is just such a cleansing noise.
So we have this river goddess who we know has been venerated
along the length of the Cric Clyde because there's been
little objects found over the years that suggest that people
from Hamilton or Wishawdon and further up right the way through
to Glasgow venerated this goddess here.
So we have the Clyde goddess that not many people think of
when they think of Glasgow, that you know, you think about these
goddesses from all around the world.
And yet here we have our own goddess and this cleansing noisy
goddess who has the eat of the gods.
So when I drive over her, so there's a number of bridges that
crossover the Clyde Ioffer an offering of turning my volume up
as loud as I can in the car when we when I go past.
So she gets my song all the time.
So I do love the Clyde goddess. She's venerated, yet still,
after all these thousands and thousands of years, I love that.
And again, it just goes to show. How connected we were as a
Celtic nation that we, you know, there was Welsh, we have a, you
know, if anyone was to say the word Clyde, you think of it as
being a very Scottish thing, but actually it came from Welsh
speaking tribes that were in Scotland at the time.
But you know that that migration through different countries was
a normal thing and is a normal thing.
And we've we've reined ourselves in a bit and butchered ourselves
off from the rest of the world. And we definitely shouldn't
because look at the beautiful symbology that travelled with
it. So I do, I do actually have
another quick thing that when I because I always forget to speak
about these witches that were, that were tried under the
witchcraft act, but like there's a kind of weird connection to
Salem with it. And I'm like, oh, really
interests me. So when I stay in Glasgow, we
have a big park nearby because I remember where that deer green
place in Pollock Park at home to Pollock House.
And we had a family who lived there called the Maxwells.
And one of the Maxwells, his name was George Maxwell.
He was a witch hunter. So he back in the day owned all
this massive land, he had a big estate house and he had a lot,
loads of people working for him. And one day he took unwell and
probably what we would know now is he was having a stroke or
Bell's palsy or something had gone wrong.
But a little mute girl who worked within Maxwell, within
Pollock House, told the Maxwells that because she found her voice
this day because she hadn't hadn't spoken before.
And she said, I'm living with a woman, her son and her daughter
and the three of them together with another three women are
practicing witchcraft on you. And there's an effigy of you
behind the fireplace and hurt their house with pins all down
this side. And they are doing this to you.
So they went to the house and they found the effigy and they
said, you big bunch of witches, let's get you to trial.
And they tried all but the, the, the, everyone was put to trial
except the youngest daughter who was saved but got to see the
rest of her family hung and burned at Gallows Green and
Paisley. The girl who had grassed them
all in for doing this left and ended up going to be a
minister's wife in Edinburgh, where when she got to Edinburgh
accused a whole bunch of other people.
Again, I all went to trial and went to court, and when the
judge heard that she was accusing, again, decided that
these people weren't the problem, it was her and she was
stirring the pot and she was banished to the colonies about
five years before the witchcraft trials in Salem started, No.
Yeah, so it doesn't tell you. Where it just says she was
banished to the colonies. I have a really sneaky suspicion
that some little mute girl from Glasgow started Salem witch
trial. Oh wow.
So. That's my own personal thought
process. I'm sure there's people out
there who who are academics on that who are screaming at me
right now. But when I've read it and looked
looking at the dates, I think bet that was you.
Bet that was you, you little. Shit stirrer?
Absolutely. Causing trouble.
So now we have our keep or cut section where we ask our guests
5 things they would keep or cut out of their practice.
So Gio, that Glasgow witch, I'm going to give you 5 things and
you have to pick one. And I know it's going to be
painful, but would you keep or cut tattoos or sigils?
Sigils I don't even. Know if that's part of your
practice, but I suppose some of our tattoos are part of our
practice. Fine sigil Sigil magic is
amazing. Not magic or tea magic.
Oh no, hold on, is this keep or sorry I keep tattoos you're
keeping? Tattoos.
Yeah. No sigils.
I keep tattoos. Oh, you're cutting sigils?
And we did this on a an episode with Anon and we got to the end
of it. She was like, hang on a minute.
I think I answered those wrong. She just answered what she would
keep or cut and we didn't. She'll keep tattoos.
I'm keeping tattoos for. Sure.
OK, not. Magic or T magic, not magic.
You're keeping, not. Magic.
Oh, that surprises me, because you've always got a cup of tea
in your hand. Yeah, I've always got notes, but
you don't. See them well?
I think I know the answer to this.
Fire or water fire? You're keeping fire.
Yeah, burn something. Every single day of my life.
Well, there we go. Oh, keeping cauldrons or wands
Cauldrons. And now this one is.
Contentious you're keeping fairies or unicorns unicorns.
It wasn't that hard to answer. I did I did this to anonymous,
which she was fuming. She's like no, they're going to
hear me. She she works with fairies as
part of her practice and unicorns.
But yes she's like they're going to hear me.
No. I'm Unicorn.
Well, we work. I work with the she, so that's
not. I think they'd be annoyed if I
called them fairies, so I'm I'm. Currently, so my book pile of
unread, I'm reading Morgan. I can never pronounce her
surname. Morgan Damer's Fairy Courts,
which is all about the Scottish fairy courts.
It's very interesting. Again, it's not part of my
practice, although I feel like the fairies are hunting me at
the moment. Or the she.
But the she are very, she is very specific to Scotland
though, right? I think so.
And I think in Ireland too. I think in Ireland too.
I was just, I just downloaded a book as an old book from 1911
last week and I was having a read through it earlier on.
I've I've got this book somewhere, but I can't find it.
And it's the fairy thick faith in Celtic Countries by WY Evans
Wentz. But you can get it online for
free just the whole book from 1911.
But remember, it's 1911 and it's a man and Christian OK, it's
writing it. So you just have to take it with
bit of discernment. But excellent book gives you
information about fairy faith and she culture and all of that
across all of the Celtic nations.
So it's a very good, but I literally had it open today
because I was looking at it for research for something and
there's a free. PDF that you can.
Download 1911 that'll. Be an interesting read.
Interesting read. OK, so what's going on for you
next? Where can we find you?
I mean, you're everywhere at this point, but yeah, what is
going on next for you? So.
I'm writing a book, which is obviously I can't get to say
that out loud because I'm I'm more than I think.
I was just a little bit nervous about saying that I was writing
a book until I'd written most of it.
So I have a manuscript deadline due in, in June.
So once I send that off to them, then I'll be able to tell you
more about what, what I'm writing about that.
It's not going through an editing process or anything yet.
So I'll let you know a bit more about that at the time.
I'm also working on an app at the moment for a, oh, so you
know, I have my witch's wheel calendar that that I use.
So I kind of started that off with no understanding of how to
be technologically advanced at all.
So I didn't really understand how to hold a community space.
I've never been on Discord or any of those types of things.
It was really annoying me that it wasn't what I'd set out for
it to be. So just wait for a few months
ago. I I'm working with a girl from
our community who's a community space manager.
She's and I met her weirdly when I was in Denver.
I walked into, I met a physical store and she was there.
We hadn't like we hadn't decided.
I hadn't told her I was in Denver.
I didn't know that she lived near that place.
And we just so happened to be in the same store at the same time.
So she's helping me build this online community and it's a
really cool space. I'm so excited.
I've been like been walking through it over the course of
the last couple of weeks and I'm really excited to have it out in
the world. So there's going to be lots of
free stuff for people to access for free.
There's going to be a little community where it's guarded a
little bit. So that's kind of behind the
wall of like normal kind of social media stuff for people
who might want to practice a bit more openly online, but don't
want to be public facing about it.
And then I'm trying to figure out how to do some more in depth
teaching on that because again, there's lots of nuance and
trying to get that all out in those little videos is really
difficult. So it's really more, I mean,
I've been a solo practitioner this whole time and I've never
really understood the depth of community in a witchcraft
setting until I've been doing this from an online perspective.
And it's really enriched my, my practice.
So I'm, I'm really looking forward to sharing that with
people. So both of those things
happening at the same time, which is just ridiculous.
My brain's about to melt inside itself, but I'm writing a book
and developing an app, so wow. So exciting.
That is so exciting and that's so quite unique as well, that
app idea. Because then you get.
I don't like to use the word control, but you are able to
have more things that we can't post about.
On on social media because or places like even that you can't
post these things that they'll get taken down or reported or
something. Well, thank you, I.
Can't believe how amazing it is to have you on the podcast.
Yeah, I've, I've tried to keep it quiet, but also I haven't
been able to with my, like, Patreon community.
So some people go, oh, have you got that Scottish witch coming?
I'm like, you're not supposed to know.
Also, just before I know we might be fetching up soon, but
can I just say like a massive thank you to you, GAIL, from
that first, very first interaction that I had the way
back then because I had like you and another three women maybe on
that live that night and some weirdo that came in and said
some weird things. And you guys were all really
kind and welcoming and made me feel like what I was doing was
worth doing. And that was like a a little
foundation brick and the whole of me continuing to do what it
is that that I'm doing and just thank you because you were you
are. So welcome that you're 1.3
million followers is down to me basically, I'll take we've got
it recorded, there's evidence and I won't be sharing.
This is a social media post. I'll get you a copy of my book.
And I'll say to GAIL, thank you. I couldn't have done it without
you. Exactly.
I can't. Wait, I'll be running around the
Witch and Pagan festival next year going.
Look how famous I am now and. I don't mean that in the
slightest bit. Tongue in cheek.
There's, you know, there's there's little things that
happen to you along your journey and you can either be poked and
prodded in the right direction or poked and prodded out of it.
And you were a poker and prodded in the right direction.
And I'm just really grateful to you because there's people
online who are not kind and I, I just haven't, I've not
experienced that. And you were one of the first
people that I experienced online.
So I appreciate you. Thank you.
No. Problem.
Thank you for having me. Really lovely.
To meet you. And thank you for listening to
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And until next time, may your practice meet you exactly where
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