1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,400 Give us headlines for anybody who isn't doesn't really know 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,100 who you are and do. So what's the sort of just in a 3 00:00:07,100 --> 00:00:12,600 snapshot I suppose it was a born Tinker as a kid. 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,600 I see like making things. Take things apart. 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:19,300 Sometimes put them together again, successfully and I had a 6 00:00:19,300 --> 00:00:22,200 very happy childhood was brought up in a non-Christian home. 7 00:00:23,500 --> 00:00:29,000 I enjoyed school I guess I was yeah, I enjoyed the academic 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:35,500 side of it and went through my childhood Without Really without 9 00:00:35,500 --> 00:00:37,400 going through church might be true. 10 00:00:38,100 --> 00:00:40,200 Certainly had no concept of fate or that. 11 00:00:40,300 --> 00:00:43,900 It meant to people, I knew about Christianity as a thing over 12 00:00:43,900 --> 00:00:47,700 there, based on this Dusty old book, but that was, as far as it 13 00:00:47,700 --> 00:00:52,400 can, my engagement with any kind of Faith was as a child. 14 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,900 So going to school was a pretty happy backgrounds. 15 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:58,100 Living Word, says, about the ones. 16 00:00:58,100 --> 00:01:08,600 I've looked Chester to the east of just a little bit of that is 17 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,500 a policeman. Cisco, directory started people 18 00:01:12,500 --> 00:01:18,800 businesses and things like that. Yes, yes, I have a sister too. 19 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:35,400 She was quite tall and sisters. Yes, family for as they happy 20 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,600 childhood, but this sort of went through life, the work, any 21 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,300 particular G I guess as a child might be your Shield, it from 22 00:01:43,300 --> 00:01:46,900 some other things but there's no particular things going on at 23 00:01:46,900 --> 00:01:49,200 home. It was just went to school, went 24 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,200 through the normal process of growing up. 25 00:01:54,500 --> 00:02:00,200 So you came to Lester study Physics or astrophysics. 26 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:08,000 Still Still representing a that would I be right in saying that 27 00:02:08,199 --> 00:02:12,100 that was where you encountered? Christian's for the first time, 28 00:02:12,100 --> 00:02:14,700 all Christians that you're interested in talking to you for 29 00:02:14,700 --> 00:02:16,600 the first time. And are we going? 30 00:02:19,100 --> 00:02:21,400 Yes. On the first day of University 31 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,000 by stealth, I didn't realize this. 32 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,800 I met that first to University and we just like each other. 33 00:02:25,900 --> 00:02:31,200 That's sort of a similar friendship group and went 34 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,100 through three years of University without talking about 35 00:02:34,100 --> 00:02:38,000 Christianity at all friendship with any crew. 36 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,300 And to a point we were Relationship together. 37 00:02:41,500 --> 00:02:46,900 And that was first time, it's sort of a suppose that the 38 00:02:46,900 --> 00:02:51,200 aspect of a faith came into my world in a way which is 39 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,000 demanded, some kind of response are some both because up to that 40 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,900 point If Ever I heard anything about Christianity or the Bible, 41 00:02:56,900 --> 00:02:58,400 anything like that, it was all church. 42 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,600 It was sort of something I just turned away but there was a 43 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,500 strong reason to actually consider this question because 44 00:03:07,700 --> 00:03:10,100 Danny had sort of just been very open about our faith. 45 00:03:10,300 --> 00:03:12,500 And that was fine. But I saw that was like, that's 46 00:03:12,500 --> 00:03:13,900 for you. That's not for me, sort of 47 00:03:13,900 --> 00:03:16,100 thing. But when we were just talking 48 00:03:16,100 --> 00:03:19,700 about our future together and what that might be like it 49 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,200 certainly was a bit of a shock to me. 50 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,200 That that's an important question needs to be answered 51 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:27,300 because it meant so much today. A large part of that was 52 00:03:27,300 --> 00:03:30,200 actually talking to Danny's parents who are great to 53 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:31,800 actually got real will really well with them. 54 00:03:32,900 --> 00:03:36,000 Danny went away to leave me to sort of this problem as well. 55 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,900 She went to Albania for a few months as part of this 56 00:03:38,900 --> 00:03:42,200 missionary group and so fantastic timing-wise. 57 00:03:42,300 --> 00:03:49,600 I'm sure introduced me to the church in the Bible and they 58 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,500 were not. And I was talking with their 59 00:03:51,500 --> 00:03:57,200 parents and also at all also talk to my pastor and my belly's 60 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:58,600 in Kelso. I think you got shock of his 61 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,500 life. I wasn't always dressed 62 00:04:00,500 --> 00:04:02,100 conventionally like I understand. 63 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:12,400 I walked into the parish priests Not as do all day, Reverend 64 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,200 training content and I just sort of said, timeout is 65 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:21,700 Christianity, that he was quite shocked, but to his credit he 66 00:04:21,700 --> 00:04:26,400 put down his cup of tea and we had a good chat but I was 67 00:04:26,900 --> 00:04:28,300 stepping stone on the way I suppose. 68 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:33,600 But talkin today's parents and his dad in particular who will 69 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,600 just very open honest and me and very welcoming. 70 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,700 I mean, obviously I'm of an age now with twenty something. 71 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,300 Or children as sort of, I see myself. 72 00:04:43,300 --> 00:04:47,800 Yeah, I see myself as him and me as much greater than men. 73 00:04:48,500 --> 00:04:53,600 But, you know, and looking back and seeing how he welcomed me. 74 00:04:53,700 --> 00:04:57,000 Yeah. As I presented myself, and I am 75 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,700 quite struck by that. Yes, that was. 76 00:05:00,100 --> 00:05:02,900 That was a supposed at the first sign of God's love being shown 77 00:05:02,900 --> 00:05:03,700 to me? Yeah. 78 00:05:03,700 --> 00:05:07,500 The grace gives his family, how they welcome you in and just 79 00:05:07,500 --> 00:05:09,500 patiently explained things to me. 80 00:05:09,500 --> 00:05:11,700 I mean, I knew Nothing. I was going to say. 81 00:05:11,700 --> 00:05:14,700 How did they go about? What would sort of, without any 82 00:05:14,700 --> 00:05:17,500 intellectual berries for you? We use of going, hang on a 83 00:05:17,508 --> 00:05:19,200 minute. What about this or was it has? 84 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,100 It has a database of conversations going? 85 00:05:21,100 --> 00:05:22,800 Yeah, I suppose a few different aspects to it. 86 00:05:23,900 --> 00:05:27,200 Pre all this, I suppose, I was very self-assured. 87 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,100 I knew how the world worked and that was very definite about 88 00:05:32,100 --> 00:05:34,400 that. It is very scientific base to I 89 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,900 suppose, I didn't know this. I didn't use the label humanism 90 00:05:38,900 --> 00:05:41,000 but I suppose I would have been a humanist. 91 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:45,700 Yeah. And so yeah, it was meeting that 92 00:05:46,900 --> 00:05:50,000 the Bible is meeting that sort of very self-assured, view of 93 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:55,600 the world. So yes, Sir, Richard denna's, 94 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,900 dad and others were talking to me about that and it started off 95 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,900 just witnessing by their life. I'll be staying with them, and 96 00:06:03,900 --> 00:06:06,400 it began through things and I'd seen go to church. 97 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,600 I might be through join them at church or maybe not and just 98 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,600 having conversations about commenting on my life and asking 99 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,000 me questions about what I thought about various things. 100 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,100 So it was a gradual thing and it's a roping the door, really. 101 00:06:21,900 --> 00:06:24,700 One of the first things I suppose was To convince me that 102 00:06:24,700 --> 00:06:28,200 Christine's won't that weird? That's the situation. 103 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:37,400 And I'm so when you realize okay yeah they are people just with 104 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:43,200 lives but they have a particular head of their life which was 105 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,400 interesting. So intellectual yes it made a 106 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,200 big change because it meant I was doing astrophysics of 107 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,100 gymnastic physics, PhD. And that point. 108 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:57,300 And so it's sort of Of it really made me think a lot about how 109 00:06:57,300 --> 00:06:59,300 the world is constructed. I was looking at the world in 110 00:06:59,300 --> 00:07:02,200 terms of what I was studying in science of cosmology and stuff 111 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,800 as everything about the Big Bang is like was that exact enough to 112 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,900 put it in the bin? I didn't understand what it 113 00:07:08,900 --> 00:07:11,300 meant to sort of adopting this change. 114 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:17,400 So reconciling those two was an important part of being able to 115 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,900 sort of this, except actually that the truth of the Gospel. 116 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:27,600 So so did you were there any particular resources or people 117 00:07:27,900 --> 00:07:30,500 just walk out with that? It's of it as sort of the 118 00:07:30,500 --> 00:07:32,600 science. It is Faith. 119 00:07:34,700 --> 00:07:38,100 So I was going tonight and I'll take that as a given. 120 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:43,000 I was introduced to my church at the time and you have to start. 121 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,500 There's the assistant pastor and I was put in touch with him and 122 00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:48,500 it was really useful. So we started going through 123 00:07:48,500 --> 00:07:52,200 Mark's gospel together, just a weekly basis with Really, really 124 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:58,500 important and interesting and as well as that introduce you to a 125 00:07:58,508 --> 00:08:00,700 couple of people at lighting and talking to them because there's 126 00:08:00,700 --> 00:08:03,300 some people who were scientists, like how could that be? 127 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,800 You are a scientist and you're Christian and that for me was, 128 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,700 at least, you know, on its own, the Revelation. 129 00:08:09,500 --> 00:08:13,600 And I realize actually one of the guys my age, my PhD was in a 130 00:08:13,608 --> 00:08:15,700 really dingy office. I Hope they've improved it. 131 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,900 It's all in the past somewhere, and I realize, I said, one of 132 00:08:18,907 --> 00:08:20,800 the guys came, there was use a Christian as well. 133 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,700 We didn't actually have much, but just realizing this people 134 00:08:26,700 --> 00:08:33,100 who are scientific Arena, who are so talk to people not in 135 00:08:33,108 --> 00:08:36,000 church, talking to Andy upturn. As we walk through, Mark's 136 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,400 gospel. So, there's a parallel things 137 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:41,799 that's most of what we fear from strands, realizing that 138 00:08:42,100 --> 00:08:47,300 Christians are people like everyone in the sense that they 139 00:08:47,300 --> 00:08:51,200 are not a weird cult. I mean, my parents actually will 140 00:08:51,300 --> 00:08:58,800 Genuine business, a response or responded at the time and has 141 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:06,700 been for them. So, Who is the reason we do 142 00:09:06,700 --> 00:09:10,300 inside things besides just having a different way of life 143 00:09:10,500 --> 00:09:13,400 and I guess come to terms of that because her choice. 144 00:09:13,500 --> 00:09:21,300 Yeah the time in the news occasionally there's things 145 00:09:21,300 --> 00:09:24,400 surrounding the Christian church with come up in a negative light 146 00:09:24,700 --> 00:09:28,800 and there was a couple of things in the states with Cults. 147 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,600 He was sort of started to have used the Bible but they got just 148 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,800 go crazy and they I'd been a couple of those instances but 149 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,400 I've been in the news and then here's me there some lived a 150 00:09:40,408 --> 00:09:42,300 molester. Who starting to talk about the 151 00:09:42,300 --> 00:09:43,300 Bible? Yes. 152 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:50,400 And so they all worried and I just try to be open and convince 153 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,200 them are so talking about the church and you could find out 154 00:09:53,208 --> 00:09:55,500 about the church. It's not hiding. 155 00:09:55,500 --> 00:09:58,900 Yeah it's not sequestering people away and saying you can't 156 00:09:58,900 --> 00:10:01,900 talk to people out. So I just tried to example they 157 00:10:01,900 --> 00:10:07,700 could allay their fears. And if they seemed to me so it 158 00:10:07,700 --> 00:10:10,900 was for a while. It was a bit of a question, then 159 00:10:10,900 --> 00:10:13,800 I think they become comfortable with it and just thought as 160 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:24,600 Adam. So so what was the sort of say 161 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,000 did? Yeah that's what was the moment 162 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,200 where you suddenly went nowhere. I am a Christian as opposed to 163 00:10:30,208 --> 00:10:32,300 having not been one. Was there a sort of was it was 164 00:10:32,300 --> 00:10:35,100 that moment or was it just a sort of so gradually? 165 00:10:35,900 --> 00:10:39,600 Yes, very few different moments. So regularly speak with any 166 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,800 under going through the gospel of Mark and actresses. 167 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,500 Interesting you're going over the weekend of the Gospel of 168 00:10:44,500 --> 00:10:51,300 Mark moment and there was you meet Jesus as a person in the 169 00:10:51,300 --> 00:10:55,900 gospel and it was actually like chapter 8 when sort of he 170 00:10:55,900 --> 00:11:01,200 reveals himself to the disciples in a more Overweight, suppose. 171 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:06,600 He declares I'm a Christ and they sort of this mean for us 172 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,100 and the realization starts to Dawn on them and there's a verse 173 00:11:10,100 --> 00:11:15,800 there, which end of chapter 8, which says, what does it benefit 174 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,800 a man to gain the whole world yet forfeit his soul? 175 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,000 Yeah, and that for me, was really good question. 176 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,300 So I sort of like, I could see Jesus historical figure but this 177 00:11:26,300 --> 00:11:30,900 miraculous Don't come down, it's a man. 178 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,700 And then at that point, I suppose I could go for a shot so 179 00:11:35,700 --> 00:11:37,100 far as they, well, that's interesting. 180 00:11:37,900 --> 00:11:40,800 I've learned some more, but then you read that kind of meets that 181 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,600 kind of question and that were for me, was the first time it 182 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:48,300 really hit as a something, I've got to resolve this question. 183 00:11:49,500 --> 00:11:56,200 So that was I supposed to beginning of that process and it 184 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:03,800 was November of the and that was when Danny was still over 185 00:12:04,300 --> 00:12:07,500 Albania. And I remember you looking at 186 00:12:07,500 --> 00:12:24,400 the day so that point and it was It was kind of strange in a 187 00:12:24,408 --> 00:12:30,900 sense that I made it was going tonight and fairly regularly. 188 00:12:30,900 --> 00:12:36,100 And so they knew a few people there but I didn't have anyone 189 00:12:36,100 --> 00:12:38,500 to tell when I got back. So I was just living in a shared 190 00:12:38,500 --> 00:12:41,100 house with this guy like you I was actually really good friends 191 00:12:41,100 --> 00:12:44,200 with and he hated the fact. Yeah. 192 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,700 Who is everything looking at the Bible and was becoming a 193 00:12:46,700 --> 00:12:49,600 Christian with the felt friendship really fell apart 194 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,800 very quickly. That was leaving the show, how 195 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,800 something. So, He was kind of tough to sort 196 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,700 of this massive thing happened in my life that I actually 197 00:12:57,700 --> 00:12:59,400 couldn't tell him because he just got angry. 198 00:13:00,500 --> 00:13:03,500 And so I rang up then the parents and they drove up 199 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:10,900 Bristol's. Alexa didn't love with me since 200 00:13:10,900 --> 00:13:13,700 claiming so Danny was as a mother. 201 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:24,700 Yeah that was yeah. I don't get realize that she how 202 00:13:24,700 --> 00:13:27,800 much they just suddenly appeared. 203 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:36,100 Yeah, I was leaving my church and they just were there in the 204 00:13:36,100 --> 00:13:48,300 foyer, like that's weird. So they just popped up, but 205 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,500 they've been so meaningful. Have this little Yes. 206 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,100 Yeah. And he even comes on that side, 207 00:13:56,100 --> 00:13:59,800 not just becoming a Christian and it's not as if they said, 208 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:04,600 well, that job done. They they read some of the best 209 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:10,600 at time is still legal. Okay. 210 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,100 So Danny get the eventually came back from Albania. 211 00:14:13,500 --> 00:14:17,100 Yeah. And did you get engaged fairly 212 00:14:17,100 --> 00:14:20,200 quickly after that with that car at the bottom of the chronology 213 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:29,800 is, as this? Let's just leave it as not we 214 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:41,200 can eventually. I was supposed to know. 215 00:14:47,300 --> 00:14:49,500 Okay, so you got married in 1998. 216 00:14:52,100 --> 00:15:04,600 Oh okay. So at that stage you finished 217 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:11,400 your PhD and what were you doing when you're raising all the 218 00:15:11,408 --> 00:15:21,400 greats of those dates? All right now it was kind of 219 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,600 busy time alive. I suppose you know playing 220 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,600 ending a marriage instead of three months trying to write up 221 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,700 a PhD trying to look for a job. Remember sort of act that 222 00:15:32,700 --> 00:15:35,800 Christmas prior to? We got married in February and 223 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,300 it did feel like there was just a lot of growing up to be done. 224 00:15:39,700 --> 00:15:42,800 I'd been just mess around as a student on sort of no money. 225 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,800 And that was fine. Just renting places and just 226 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,300 sort of having conversation my dad and who's he was just sort 227 00:15:50,300 --> 00:15:53,600 of Quite traditional kind of guy and you seen so you can be 228 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,600 married. Now you need to provide for your 229 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,200 family and you need to have at least this much money and need 230 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:06,100 to have a house and what not having any of that in place by 231 00:16:08,100 --> 00:16:09,800 this most coming up. So I was looking for jobs, 232 00:16:09,900 --> 00:16:12,900 trying to do a PhD and the web for job interviews, the default 233 00:16:12,900 --> 00:16:21,100 of managing and so interview for jobs. 234 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,900 Any had one job interview, I was just anything would do and so I 235 00:16:25,300 --> 00:16:26,900 have to doing sciency stuff picked up. 236 00:16:26,900 --> 00:16:30,100 See, get involved with computers and I realized I probably 237 00:16:30,100 --> 00:16:31,700 enjoyed that bit more than science. 238 00:16:31,700 --> 00:16:36,300 Maybe, I went for a computer jobs because just you could do 239 00:16:36,300 --> 00:16:38,600 with that money, I should physics jobs out there Elena. 240 00:16:39,100 --> 00:16:43,500 So when for computer so got married honeymoon can get money 241 00:16:43,500 --> 00:16:45,200 in founded, got a job that's great. 242 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,600 We're renting the flat the time. So it's all kind of rush but 243 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,000 then there was still writing up my PhD. 244 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,800 Interminably, but you got there in the end, I did it. 245 00:16:54,900 --> 00:17:05,599 Well done, so, I think probably when we met you had started your 246 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:10,400 own business, or it was, it was so my recollection of you. 247 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,500 When we first met was, I think the first time we had dinner, 248 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:17,099 was you saying Adams? Businesses just are doing? 249 00:17:17,700 --> 00:17:19,700 There was some massive to do with. 250 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,800 Suddenly there was no, you know, Money and it was it was quite 251 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:24,099 dramatic, wasn't it for tell us about. 252 00:17:26,099 --> 00:17:32,400 So I got a job as I said, that was fine workers was going fine. 253 00:17:32,500 --> 00:17:35,300 Then we made redundant because of various things. 254 00:17:35,900 --> 00:17:42,000 That's right, software has been made redundant which was a bit 255 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:49,000 of a blow so bad. Was, it should remember these 256 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,400 things super notes. I've got no rights at all. 257 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,200 Weird, who's Ethan and just buy them, wasn't it? 258 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,100 Yes. So we had to take. 259 00:17:58,300 --> 00:18:05,100 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So maybe redundant, which is, 260 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:12,500 you know, so it's tough time and some of us who are being married 261 00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:16,000 in a huge amount of worshipping. We made redundant start up and 262 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,800 you come Let's do sort of a similar thing basically, but one 263 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,300 of the guys had to get money to start a new company and so we 264 00:18:22,300 --> 00:18:24,200 went and we put money in it. And started the company. 265 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,000 It was either of us would have someone's Conservatory trying to 266 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,600 write software to sell to the NHS and assignment. 267 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:38,300 The NHS funding was all being redone a very up and down to 268 00:18:38,300 --> 00:18:43,200 say, yeah, enjoy to start a company, but there's a lot to 269 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,900 it. Yeah, you don't make money. 270 00:18:46,500 --> 00:18:48,500 It's pretty quickly. Yeah, yeah. 271 00:18:48,700 --> 00:18:53,600 So after a few years we sold the company and that varies a bit 272 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,700 more stability. In terms of that point there was 273 00:18:56,700 --> 00:18:58,600 a point at, which the company was running and it was about 274 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,900 five or six of us. And we basically were had run 275 00:19:00,900 --> 00:19:03,900 out of money. And so that was about the 276 00:19:04,300 --> 00:19:07,900 September October, and then we just had no money for like until 277 00:19:07,900 --> 00:19:11,300 Christmas. Yeah, that was a horrible 278 00:19:11,300 --> 00:19:13,800 horrible time because I was a director of the company as well. 279 00:19:13,900 --> 00:19:16,300 Yeah. So I had all these people 280 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,700 Working for us who just think. So, so boss, how we're paying 281 00:19:19,700 --> 00:19:22,200 for Christmas this year. Credit cards are maxed out 282 00:19:24,900 --> 00:19:26,900 That's a horrible. Horrible feeling. 283 00:19:27,100 --> 00:19:30,000 Just saying there is no money. I'm really sorry. 284 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:36,700 And so trying to having to convey that message, to those 285 00:19:36,700 --> 00:19:40,700 people who have known for many years and you their families and 286 00:19:40,700 --> 00:19:44,200 stuff as well. And also, having in coming back 287 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:49,500 to home and home was like, not much money, that's that stuff, 288 00:19:49,500 --> 00:19:54,200 as well. So, I remember homegroup being 289 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:59,900 quite supportive and as well in recurrent times, I guess in 290 00:19:59,900 --> 00:20:02,500 life. At the center. 291 00:20:02,500 --> 00:20:09,000 Felt the closeness of the church is a family which is is amazing. 292 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:13,000 And you know soon as talk about this as well and from time to 293 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,400 time it's made me a stronger or weaker feeling I suppose but 294 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:23,100 certainly feeling them there when the we protect ourselves, 295 00:20:23,100 --> 00:20:26,700 all these things in life money and compass and things like that 296 00:20:26,700 --> 00:20:29,900 when they start to Fall Away, having a church family there as 297 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,300 God's grace. Sings this world to help is an 298 00:20:33,300 --> 00:20:35,900 amazing thing. And so having a particular 299 00:20:35,900 --> 00:20:38,600 conversations at home group, when we're going through this 300 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:43,400 and it was tough, yeah, that was That's a good thing. 301 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,600 Yeah and it's you know Cassie you were relatively new 302 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,700 Christian even at that point in our you did. 303 00:20:48,700 --> 00:20:50,700 Yeah. Did it shake your faith in any 304 00:20:50,700 --> 00:20:52,800 way? Or was it more that you just 305 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,600 Learn more about God in a different way or have how did it 306 00:20:56,700 --> 00:21:01,000 impact your spirit? Yeah, I think I don't recall it 307 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,900 sort of having a negative impact on my face. 308 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:10,600 It was certainly learning more about God's in that in that 309 00:21:11,500 --> 00:21:13,800 isn't just a God. That was the icing on the cake, 310 00:21:14,100 --> 00:21:15,700 when everything's fine. Yeah. 311 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,600 He's got he's down in the gutter with you as well. 312 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:21,900 So I suppose that was learning all over. 313 00:21:21,900 --> 00:21:27,300 The university didn't sort of shape. at that time you just you 314 00:21:27,300 --> 00:21:31,400 just seeing how people react around were God's grace to you 315 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:38,800 in times of need So you were bought out. 316 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,300 So the compass over my business point of view before stabilized. 317 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,700 And so from then, to now, what, what is your role now? 318 00:21:47,700 --> 00:21:51,500 What what do you, what's your daily life, like at work working 319 00:21:51,500 --> 00:21:57,400 an hour, medium is company in the UK and it's the it's the 320 00:21:57,408 --> 00:21:58,500 office routine. Isn't it? 321 00:21:58,500 --> 00:21:59,800 Where it's the home office routine, isn't it? 322 00:22:06,300 --> 00:22:07,400 It's the same type of stuff going on. 323 00:22:13,300 --> 00:22:19,500 So that that in itself is I think important aspect of it for 324 00:22:19,500 --> 00:22:22,700 me because it's not that many people, you know, T, do all 325 00:22:22,700 --> 00:22:26,400 kinds of things that can be, hey, we do, we hosting a gate, a 326 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:32,500 gambling site or yeah, we're in. We do stuff for banks and stuff. 327 00:22:32,500 --> 00:22:36,400 Like I like the fact that actually, what Do is seventh in 328 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,300 HS, particularly in these last few years. 329 00:22:38,300 --> 00:22:41,800 We've felt particular moments when we were able to do things 330 00:22:41,900 --> 00:22:45,300 for covid, which hospitals that you won't believe how much 331 00:22:45,300 --> 00:22:48,500 they've helped us. And so that's a particular nice 332 00:22:48,500 --> 00:22:53,200 feeling not just in 1990, but it's got a beneficial aspect to 333 00:22:53,208 --> 00:22:54,700 give them some business, all right? 334 00:22:54,700 --> 00:22:57,500 That it was your company, that was providing some of the data 335 00:22:57,500 --> 00:23:00,300 on covid sections. A little, some bit of data that 336 00:23:00,300 --> 00:23:04,700 you were responsible for was yeah, the whole vaccine program. 337 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,500 Covid. Yeah, we ran the it. 338 00:23:07,500 --> 00:23:10,400 We were sending and the letters for appointments and we were 339 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,400 doing all the stats that without from the podium within three 340 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:15,600 letters. Three words Logan. 341 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:20,200 So that was a that was and scary. 342 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:29,100 Yeah. But then yeah. 343 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,400 Wow, yes. Oh yes. 344 00:23:34,900 --> 00:23:37,300 As I say it's nice to have the feeling, you know, just doing 345 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:39,500 it. You're doing idea, there's a 346 00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:42,500 sort of a beneficial aspect of society. 347 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,200 So-so. Position. 348 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,200 Now of, you know you're you're more established Christian. 349 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,900 And what would you say are the sort of the challenges and the 350 00:23:56,100 --> 00:24:00,400 yeah joys for your we've got now other things. 351 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:06,400 Yeah, we haven't in terms of to meet challenges in terms of my 352 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:12,900 family to go to boys, who, but don't go to church. 353 00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:16,900 Doing didn't have a faith, one is more interested in things 354 00:24:16,900 --> 00:24:20,200 like that and the other but that's a challenge speaking to 355 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:25,300 them and my parents, my family as well, but my wider family and 356 00:24:25,300 --> 00:24:29,600 the only Christian and when you know like we said when I was 357 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,200 first a Christian that was a topic of conversation and they 358 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,100 were interested and the last questions and you think I'm 359 00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:40,100 maybe there's an opportunity here to sort of spread the 360 00:24:40,108 --> 00:24:44,300 gospel into my family but you reach that kind of point when 361 00:24:44,300 --> 00:24:46,800 the conversations are had any more because everyone saw We 362 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,200 know where everyone is and that's it. 363 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,900 And so it's not a topic of conversation and it's hard to 364 00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:56,400 break into that into that family environment with the gospels, 365 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,800 the conversation, without everyone just going. 366 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,800 Well, we know that and just like thanks. 367 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:07,700 But no, so that's a tough thing. It's hard to know quite what to 368 00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:11,500 do. So that's one point prayers and 369 00:25:11,500 --> 00:25:13,100 do have to break through the ice. 370 00:25:15,500 --> 00:25:20,000 There's one thing. But the things any work 371 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,600 environment, you know, how to be a Christian and work 372 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:29,700 environments. I work in a team and one thing I 373 00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:35,200 suppose I make an effort to be. He's actually a human manager of 374 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,400 people not just a business manager. 375 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,300 Yeah. And particularly now with SLI 376 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,200 times as they are, people are having difficult situations 377 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:51,200 outside of work and I below is actually tough and sometimes 378 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,500 making time for those conversations or just having 379 00:25:53,500 --> 00:25:56,800 headspace to have a conversation with someone about their family 380 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,400 life or things like that or health. 381 00:26:00,100 --> 00:26:07,300 But I that is one of the things I want to do to to to be that. 382 00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:10,800 That Buster was able to have this conversation. 383 00:26:11,900 --> 00:26:14,600 That's what I think I'm going to be posting should be doing, they 384 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,500 shouldn't be purely professional and then the shutters come down, 385 00:26:18,500 --> 00:26:22,500 but it is tough. And I know it within myself, I 386 00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:25,700 know. So how I've changed I suppose 387 00:26:25,700 --> 00:26:29,800 over the years, I do can be impatient people. 388 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:34,100 And I know that and I think I will look back to how I used to 389 00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:37,200 be as a young before. I was a Christian. 390 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,400 Suppose you and your man? I will be quite patient, I 391 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:44,500 suppose. And I think I have changed. 392 00:26:44,500 --> 00:26:46,500 It is one of the things that has changed in me that I'm more 393 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,800 tolerant. I am more patient with people 394 00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:55,900 and but I feel that sometimes in a pressure work environments, I 395 00:26:55,900 --> 00:27:00,000 sort of, I mean, squeeze back into the time is a precious 396 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:06,100 thing and I haven't got time for this but have to make people do 397 00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:08,100 notice actually as well. I think that is occasion, 398 00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:10,400 people. Sort of feedback and just say, 399 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,100 well, Really appreciate this having that in me, made a 400 00:27:14,108 --> 00:27:16,900 difference. So I think that is important 401 00:27:16,900 --> 00:27:20,500 weigh-in. What to be Chris in a workplace? 402 00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:22,200 Because now I'm working at home all the time. 403 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,300 There are no water. Cool moments. 404 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,500 Yeah, it doesn't happen. There's little conversations to 405 00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:31,400 happen, and it is really weird. You can't just call someone and 406 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,800 teams and say, Talk about your family, your backpack. 407 00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:38,500 That's like a totally weird thing to do, whereas it would 408 00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:40,900 happen, sort of naturally if you're with them. 409 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,200 So, that's a job. Thank you. 410 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,300 So much has been fascinating and let me pray for me now. 411 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,900 Father God, we thank you so much for the way that you've been at 412 00:27:54,900 --> 00:27:58,100 working Adams life, we thank you for your goodness, to him and 413 00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:00,400 Sonny over the years and for bringing him to Faith. 414 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,100 And for just reaching out to him through So many different 415 00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:07,800 people, but particularly through Danny's parents, we thank you 416 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,100 for the way that you have enabled him to serve you in all 417 00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:14,700 the different areas of his life as a husband, and father, as a 418 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,400 manager. And we just really lift that 419 00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:21,300 particular role to you now, Lord is one in which we just thank 420 00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:26,800 you that he has opportunities to, to be there for people and 421 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,600 his team. And to, as a Christians, be 422 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,000 somebody who cares and is interested, as well as somebody, 423 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,400 who is able To manage them and help them with their work. 424 00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:39,200 And so, we just ask for your spirit to be with him and to 425 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,000 give him wisdom in those moments, particularly to 426 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,200 navigate the sort of the challenges of being working 427 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,000 remotely and not seeing people directly. 428 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:56,500 And in person as much the we we lift you, the ongoing concern 429 00:28:56,500 --> 00:29:00,100 and you know just desperate. Wish for other members of Adam's 430 00:29:00,100 --> 00:29:04,000 Family to know youth themselves. So we pray for his Mom and Dad, 431 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,100 we pray for the boys, we thank you for the different contacts 432 00:29:08,100 --> 00:29:10,800 that each of them have had over the years and just really pray 433 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,600 that your spirit would not be leaving them alone. 434 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,200 Lord, we pray for for you to break through in their lives. 435 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,100 And we just pray for Adam and he witnesses to them in the 436 00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:23,500 everyday. But also just you just ask that 437 00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:27,400 you would be working and externally as well to bring them 438 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,300 to Faith and just ask for your mercy. 439 00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:32,100 And that Lord. And so we just thank you for 440 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,300 Danny and Adam. Thank you. 441 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,900 Or Chris and Sue, thank you for this evening for everything that 442 00:29:35,900 --> 00:29:40,200 we've heard and just really pray that as we go out into this 443 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,400 week, Lord you would be with all of us in Jesus name.