Yo, an old school Wall Street trader who just predicted
exactly what the Bitcoin price would be on the 14th of March
from 5 months ago is now making an even more interesting
prediction. I mean he hit the nail on the
head. He said exactly the date, he
said exactly the price, and this was like 6 months ago.
It was absolutely surreal. Could this be the new Bitcoin
Nissan algae? We're going to talk about it.
He is now predicting A440K Bitcoin in the not too distant
future and is making the case that we're watching a once in
100 year event today. We're going to be breaking down
this bold prediction, whether it's true, whether it's BS where
the Bitcoin Twitter is just completely tired and bored and
they're just tired of the chip solidation have something they
need something to talk about. We're going to be talking about
all of that. We're going to be unpacking it.
It's going to be a great show, but before we jump into it,
smash the like button. I'm going to bring up Opti.
I'm going to bring up our guest Muzman.
I'm going to bring up our other guests, Mateo Muzman from
lightning ventures. Of course, Mateo from the orange
pull up. All right, everybody, no more
delay. Let's jump straight into today's
news. So what am I talking about?
I mean, this was this was pretty crazy.
I mean, you know, the saying comes into play, right?
A a broken clock is right twice or something, something along
those lines. So I mean, this could be
absolute luck, but it could also be something deeper.
I don't know, who knows? So this was from November 5th of
2024. This is Josh Mandel.
Josh Mandel, apparently, you know, you never know whether
something's true online or not. He's an he's an ex Wall Street
trader from Salomon Brothers. But it gets really crazy so
check it out and it's all cryptic and stuff.
It's kind of strange. So he says.
I hope that I have established a little credibility with a few of
you so that this will help. This time is different.
The 4th turning is upon us. Thursday 1171162531425 When 84
becomes the base Bitcoin calls will melt their face.
This is how you get ahead by I bit calls in size instead. 12:50
You'll ride it up the stock. It soars into the skies.
Don't sell the call and exercise.
See the path of Pistol Pete. Try a slug and then repeat.
Look every day at close and Lowe's.
When 84 is on the dot, the car will launch a real whole shot.
Feel the GS, hear the roar. The coin won't stop 360 more.
A trio force times a grand. That's the top.
The BTC fades. This is how a cowboy trades a
nation state down by the sea. I think I'd call it empathy.
No room for hate nor jealousy. Essentials.
They would be on me. Working if you want, but just
for fun. Think in the shade, play in the
sun. I mean, like, what the what the
F right? Normally you'd be like, OK, this
is this is cuckoo, this is crazy.
But the Bitcoin price on March 14th, 2025 was exactly, I think
it closed that day at exactly $84,000.
And of course, all of Bitcoin Twitter is absolutely using
their minds. He follows up this original poem
slash post with MSTR N guys here's the path to 10X multiple
the the liquidity I bit calls will offer Sailor would be
amazing. All they have to do is get the
new SEC chair to authorize redemption in kind so that he
could use the ETF to lever himself up from 84 K to 444 K,
then take his coin. Kind of cryptic, little bit
interesting. Obviously the dude becomes an
overnight celebrity and he follows up with some of his
latest posts he said. So here's the way I remember the
rules working. close between 80K and 84K means the rally can
continue from here, probably up to 100K by month end.
So essentially he's saying that he expects the Bitcoin price can
be at 100K by the end of the month.
Who knows if it closes at 84 K exactly.
We run the table, historical, historic moves.
Above 84 K, we slip back down and the rally fails.
I didn't really make up these rules.
It's been many years, but this is what I recall.
Good luck. Then, he continues.
This was back in December. I bring to the community decades
of mistakes survived, and I hope this experience will assist a
younger generation in their quest to achieve the American
dream. Please, I ask you to never
forget those who need. I mean, he's rhyming.
He's kind of interesting. Here is Luke Broyles and he's
responding. He's quote posting.
He says now that you are Luke, I'm going to own this.
Why is nobody talking about 440, four, 144,402 and 75 cents?
I think he's referring obviously referencing to his Bitcoin price
prediction and the last couple of days he's just been
absolutely, you know, just going ham on Giovanni, which was
another Bitcoin lease on Al Gaib, right?
You know, the power law, the plan C.
This is just I guess this is like a Plan B some some type of
S type of thing. But he says back to two hours
ago, he said, sorry, Giovanni, I have no idea.
You were so unpopular as to get 501 likes in half an hour.
Power law was observed, not created by Giovanni.
Plan C, on the other hand, created the quantile model.
I live in Giovanni's head down by the river.
I mean, it's pretty crazy. He's he's definitely throwing
beef. And here's one of the latest
things he said. OK, so here it goes.
I have been somewhat vague and have attempted make these latest
predictions seem like they could be explained by some system or
knowledge of markets. This is not true.
The truth is that I have a very specific prediction based on
memories of something that happened 30 years ago combined
with thoughts which seem ever present in my mind.
If Bitcoin were to close at 84 K on March 14th, it will run the
table. I'm not certain what that means.
I have a couple thoughts, but there's no point unless somehow
it actually closes at 84 K. The truth is that I am becoming
convinced that it may well do just that and that the
impossible odds of such a thing occurring that I will have some
explaining to do. If this occurs, I will likely
take the rest of the month off and reach out to family members
to let them know what I'm planning to reveal.
Believe me, I hope I am wrong about this because some people
are definitely going to view me as mentally ill if they are non
believers or Oh my God, I don't even know what to say.
But this is what I got to say. I'm going to end it with this.
This the new Lisan al gaib. I don't know.
Let us know down in the comments if you guys believe Josh
Mandel's the new Lisan al gaib. I mean, the prediction is is
kind of crazy like I don't know what to say like it is it is
pretty. It is pretty jarring that he got
it so accurate, but again, people can get lucky.
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Opti, is rumble working? I don't think it's working my
friend. Let me see.
Yeah, I guess there's a glitch on Rumble right now.
Yeah, it's trying to send. Anyways, I do want to bring.
I do want to bring in Muzz, man. Muzz.
What do you think about this, bro?
I mean it, it was making the rounds on X, you know, over the
weekend, everyone was losing their minds that this is the new
prophet. What?
What do you think?
What are your thoughts? It's remarkable that it was that
close, you know, And you know, the rhyming is great.
You know it's very Q and on, but you know what was the the
timeline for the 444 K? Is that just sometime this year
or is there more detail on an exact time for that?
I think he just said top 4444. He said triple fours is the top.
So some people have been saying super cycle 2026, but I think
he's saying it's the top of this cycle 2025.
So I tried to find that information this morning, but as
of now we're just going to go 444K top maybe end of 2025,
beginning of 2026. So take some profits around
444,000. Yeah, apparently, apparently
that's the that's, that's what needs to happen.
But I mean, it is, it is, it is pretty crazy.
People can get lucky. But I mean, to get lucky to that
extent, you know, obviously is, is very, very interesting to say
the least. Mateo, I don't know if you were
on X this weekend, but this is this is the current thing that
Bitcoiners have been talking about.
Do you have any thoughts? Any commentary?
I am an XI am on X more than Elon Musk.
So the answer is yes. But I mean, I had never heard of
this guy before. And then everybody is talking
about this guy. I'm like, OK, here we go.
You know, I guess you can get lucky.
So I start looking into this guy's tweets, right?
And, you know, he has a style of very interesting style of
tweeting. And what was remarkable for me
is that he was insisting that is not about 84 K on that day,
which is already, you know, hard to predict.
He was like, no, no, no, no, no. For the prophecy to be true, the
closing should be exactly 84 K And it was so like, now, you
know, you have to pay attention to the close.
And I mean, I don't believe in this stuff personally, but it
was exactly $84,000 on the close.
And it makes me think, right, what is this guy's all about?
I don't know if you guys saw the news about the latest news about
Josh Mandel. It was that he was arrested once
for drugs dealing, which explains a lot.
But I mean, I'll take 444 K anytime.
So if he's right, I mean, it's better for all of us, right?
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, so I want to, I want to
double back on that idea because I think a lot of people were
expecting Bitcoin to be a lot higher by now.
I think a lot of people were like, Oh my God, you know,
Bitcoin should be at 120 a 130K it's at it's at 80 KA.
Lot of people had expectations based on the previous cycles.
If you compare the previous cycles performance compared to
this cycle, it's definitely a little bit underwhelming.
I think a lot of people were expecting that, obviously
because of diminishing returns. So I'm going to pass it on to
you. Ma is like, has Bitcoin become
boring? Is it just becoming like it's
like, is Bitcoin just becoming like watching the SNP?
No, not at all. And you know what else happened
this cycle? You had the you had the all time
high before the halving. That was pretty unique.
You know, for the first time ever, we have a a pro Bitcoin
president in office. We were chatting a little bit a
while ago. You know, anyone who says it's
boring right now, you know, Ross is free.
We have a, a, a Bitcoin president in office.
We have a a crypto czar, a very friendly administration people
in the cabinet, you know, admittedly with, you know,
hundreds of millions of dollars worth of Bitcoin.
I mean it's it's bright orange future, right, it's blue skies
ahead. I mean this is the most exciting
time, the last few years being a Bitcoin start up, especially
here in the USI mean it was nearly impossible to operate.
I mean, they did everything in their power with Operation Choke
.2 Point O where you couldn't even in some cases have like an
operating account when you're running a perfectly legitimate
United States domiciled Bitcoin startup.
So now it's another another tune and a lot of our companies are
making headway with banks and partnerships and I think we're
just going to see a flood of amazing products come out there.
We also just had fold IPO, which is super exciting as the first,
you know, Bitcoin only, I guess startup that's traded that's not
a minor and ASIC manufacturer. So I mean, there's never a dull
moment in Bitcoin truly. So certainly not now.
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industry for a quite a long time now you have a successful
Bitcoin start up. What are your thoughts man?
Has Bitcoin become boring? Has has are Bitcoin's best days
behind them. I don't think Bitcoin will ever
be boring. Honestly, I don't think there's
going to be a time where Bitcoin will be boring and definitely
not now. I think maybe back in, so I got
in like 20/17/2018. It was more of a Wild West.
Like things were like crazier than now.
Now again, as must say, we have a president, they're literally
having meet ups at the White House, right?
And so that's a different, we're definitely in a different
environment now than even like two years ago.
I think this is like when you look at the the conditions on
the ground, I don't think you could ask for anything better
than now. Literally like you know, you
have the ETF, you have Michael Silver buying like, you know,
like it's 1999, You have, you know, the president, you have
the Bitcoin strategic reserve. I think maybe now we're like
people are a little bit disappointed with the price
because because you know, we had higher expectations, right?
You had the you have the future and then the future is a little
bit less than what you thought and then you get disappointed.
But I think if you go back, so if you go back one year ago and
I would tell you, hey man, in one year we're going to have a
pro become president, a peak on strategic reserve ETF.
Michael Saylor buying like crazy.
You say, no, wait, it's impossible.
It's like a dream. You're crazy, right?
And but here we are. So yeah, I don't think it's
boring. I think just, you know, it's a
moment where, you know, we're reassessing the expectations
maybe. But I think fireworks are
probably around the corners. Yeah, absolutely.
Let's talk about that too, by the way.
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We got this a huge announcement from the White House.
The White House is posting from their ex account. the United
States is going to be the Bitcoin capital of the world.
You know, you had a historic moment where Trump at the White
House is basically saying like, you know, they say don't sell
your bitcoins. And what did the price do?
The price dumped on that news, right?
You'd be thinking, and you're like, Oh my God, the most
powerful country, the wealthiest and most powerful country on the
face of the planet just told the entire world they're bullish on
Bitcoin. They plan to buy Bitcoin.
There was news that leaked out of the White House on Friday
that essentially the White House is signaling that they have
every intention to acquire more Bitcoin.
They have to say in a budget neutral way.
But I mean, you would think, you know, that would send the price
to the moon. Why has the price dumped?
Did the market the market already priced this in?
What's your take, Moz? Well, it's frustrating, right?
There's so much positive news and when you don't see it
immediately reflected in the price, you know, all of a sudden
in manipulation, you know, as if you know they really care about
you know, the three grand in in your E*Trade account that
they're manipulating on you. But buy the rumor, sell the
news. You know, that old maybe, maybe
that's a part of it. Maybe there are some games being
played, you know, with the options.
Is it Wall Street's little tool now?
There's probably a lot of people who really don't mind lower
Bitcoin prices when they're in a huge, you know, accumulation
phase. So maybe it's just the last
shake out. You know, maybe it's one more
sort of flush. Maybe that's what this move was
down to 77 or 78. Maybe it's one more flush and
then we start seeing the price really melt everyone's faces
off. I mean, that's really what I'm
expecting. But it's also you got to look at
like the global breadth of the indexes.
You know, I think the NASDAQ shed, I don't know, 3 1/2 to 5%
in a day. I mean, that's a massive move.
I mean, they're just seeing trillions, you know, erased from
equities and other markets. So, you know, Bitcoin still a
risk on asset, even though for us the risk is Fiat, right?
The risk is not having any Bitcoin.
But for a lot of people that are out there, it's another story.
And you have a lot of people who got into Bitcoin through ETFs
and, you know, they're not exactly a seasoned toddler.
So maybe there's a little bit of that.
But you know, it's just another good time to really stack and
accumulate and build your position, get to that number
that you've always had as a bitcoiner.
Everyone wants a number and now is the time to get there before
we get to 444,000. Yeah, man, I think it'll be out
of grass, out of grass for most, most people just to acquire 1
full coin. I feel like it's out of the
grass for most people right now, $80,000 is, is a tremendous
amount of money. Anyways, I'm going to pass it on
to Mateo. Mateo, what's your take on this?
Are you overwhelmed? Are you underwhelmed with this
current bull market, especially with the white, the, the news
coming out of the White House? I mean, the talk of the
strategic Bitcoin reserve, you as a Bitcoin entrepreneur, the
end of Operation Choke point 2.0.
I mean, I thought we all, we all thought we were going to go to
jail last year. We were all going to get sent to
the gulag. But you know it, it seems like
the political landscape definitely cleared up.
What's your take, Mateo? I can tell you for a fact that
personal and so in our case, Orange fly, we have so we just
launched a wallet, right? And I people have told me, oh,
this app should have a wallet. This app since we launched,
which is back in 2022. And I was almost I almost built
it at some point. And then I was about to launch
it last summertime. And that's when the like the FBI
notice came out, you know, surf custody, you know, it's illegal,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, OK, we're not
launching the wallet because I don't want to hire more lawyers
and developers. And the moment that Trump won
the election, I told my developers, OK, the first thing
we do now, as soon as he gets in office, we're launching the
wallet. So without a doubt, I've been
the administration being even if it's not super pro Bitcoin,
which I think it is, but if they just leave us alone, you know,
really all Bitcoiners want is to be left alone.
And you know, and so that we can build the infrastructure, we can
build the, you know, all the service that are going to take
us to Bitcoin being more adopted.
And so yeah, I mean, having a pro Bitcoin president, pro crypt
or whatever you want to call it, it's it's it's especially if
you're AUS company with US investors, you know, you live in
the US, it's definitely a game changer.
And you know, we're going to build so many stuff that
honestly, if Kamal had won, we, we wouldn't have built.
So when people say, you know, it's, it's always funny to say,
well, elections don't matter. Bitcoin doesn't care.
I mean, maybe Bitcoin doesn't care, but the people that use
Bitcoin that might be arrested, you know, they probably care
about not getting arrested. And you know the beauty to build
all this stuff, you know, like it's better.
You know, it's like, do you want to build an Internet company in
the US or in like North Korea or Iran, right?
Like obviously you want to do in the US because it's more pro
Internet, pro online companies. And I think the same is going to
be like in 20 years from now or 10 years from now, we're going
to look back and say, Hey, you built AUS company, a Bitcoin
U.S. company, which was better than building 1, let's say in
France or Europe, you know, where all these crazy rules.
And maybe now we don't see yet because it's just playing out.
But I think in 5-10 years we're going to look back and say, Oh
yeah, that was a game changer for the for the Bitcoin
industry. So yeah, I'm very the price is
the price, you know, the price is the price.
You know, if you've been in Bitcoin for years like we all
have, you're used to like the price not doing what you want it
to do. Like back in 2021, right?
We also 100 KA 100 K never happened.
We used to say, wow, you're never gonna go below the
previous old time high. I don't know if you guys
remembered that, which was like 20,000 and sure enough, 16 K.
And so I will say like don't worry too much about the price.
Bitcoin is gonna go off forever and you know, just hold for the
long run. You know, don't don't be swayed
by the like the two minutes candle of the one day candle.
Absolutely noise. 100% focus on the signal.
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Opti, you've been building this out from building this out with
me over the last couple of years my friend.
How is the price right now under your expectations, above your
expectations? I mean, is Bitcoin becoming
boring? Are we going to have to rebrand
to simply Fiat for things to get more exciting?
Opti, what's your take? Well, I was telling you this
morning and I've been saying it for a couple of I'm, I'm on the
fence here. I'm, I am, I think what we're
seeing right now might be kind of like the the last bear trap,
the last shake out before it does run kind of still following
the old cycles of, you know, 2013 20/17/2021.
There's always kind of one last bear trap before it starts
pumping. And it does seem to be following
exactly that, like Wall Street psychology chart that, you know,
everyone flips around on Twitter.
That does seem to be playing out.
Obviously 2020's hindsight. So we'll know towards the end of
the year if that's playing out. Though my gut feeling, and since
we are kind of in a new paradigm is, is what I was telling you
earlier, maybe the new structure is, you know, like slight pump,
then go sideways, consolidate, and then it does the stepwise
function where it just pumps a little bit and it doesn't do
these crazy run up like we've seen in the past.
Obviously, that's still a theory.
We won't know until hindsight. But going to this Josh Mandel
tweet here and all the craze around Twitter, it is absolutely
incredible that he picked the exact day and we really don't
know how he got these rules. He's like it's some vague.
He's literally like vibe trading and this isn't TA charting here.
He's just like, this is the vibes here, some vague memory of
what the price should be doing and it hit perfectly and
everyone freaks out on Twitter. Obviously, we love to see some
predictions play out. It's just like it's human.
I think it's human nature at this point.
We just love to see someone call something five months out and
get it literally perfect. And now the next prediction is
Hey, we're going to see 444 K and he's like, how did you get
that number? He's like, I'm just, it's a vibe
thing, bro. It's like, trust me, based off
my vibes, bro. And we're like, yes, send it
though. I do like, and I was trolling
over the weekend as well. If he hit that 84K, which we
did, or really it was like you if you heard it, it wasn't 84
exactly. It's if it's between 80 and 84 K
close, then it's going to go much higher.
And if it went over 84 K, then it was going to dump.
Well, we literally he nailed it in in regards to those
parameters. So the next move is we'll see by
the end of the month. Are we going to get 100K by the
end of March? Would love to see that.
That would continue to add some more fire to this idea of him
being the least on Algaeim. He is my quaint here.
And how does your quaint get these numbers?
He's like, it's just vibes bro. Like I, I have some idea of how
this is going to work and, and I'm just going to keep nailing
it. So 100K by end of this month and
then we'll see 444 K by 2025. Or I heard some people saying
that it was going to be 444 K by 2026.
Now, if that does play out, then we can pretty much very clearly
say that the cycle theory is going to break because a lot of
us are thinking 2026 is going to be a bear market.
If we get this perpetual pump through 2025 into 2026, then
maybe this this is, you know, this time is different.
And I think the biggest part about his tweet is this whole
idea of the fourth turning here. He's like, this time is
different. This is a once in a lifetime
opportunity. You're never going to get this
back. So obviously cherish this moment
moment because things are fundamentally changing.
And I think that's the message that we have to kind of continue
to spread to people. It's like this is a
fundamentally paradigm shifting moment in history.
We obviously know now that the Trump administration and nation
states are fumbling into Bitcoin.
We know all the biggest institutions are starting to
FOMO into Bitcoin so I wouldn't be surprised if cycle theory
does break. We already kind of seen that
happen last year. Like Muzz was saying the the
meme of we will never see an all time high before the halving.
We broke that and now everyone is just kind of trying to wrap
their head around and and get their own mental model of what
is this price doing because we have literally no clue.
Like we are in uncharted territory right now and hey, I'd
love A444K Bitcoin by this year or going into next year.
That sounds great to me. So hey, a little hope you a
Monday. But we we love to see some
predictions play out, so here we are.
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Is Josh Mandel the new Lisa and Algaeb of Bitcoin?
I'm going to define what that means.
Essentially, Plan B was a Lisa and Algaeb, Plan C was a Lisan
al gaib, Giovanni was a Lisan al gaib.
But is he the new Lisan al gaib of Bitcoin?
Twitter Opti. Yes, my coin trades on vibes.
I think my coin. He is most I I agree.
I think he is definitely a Lisan al Gaib.
I'm going to pass it on to Maz. Maz.
Is Josh Mandel the new Lisan al Gaib?
Well, for now, he is, you know, that's what they say.
You know, you're only is, is as good as your last price
prediction. And I think that we've seen the,
the rise and fall of, of some people and how it goes.
So I'm, I mean, it doesn't look like he's making these
predictions every other day, which is great.
So yeah, for now and let's see what happens.
You remember that time traveller that was on red end?
Yeah, Yeah. That was great.
Happened and then, you know, and then all of a sudden it didn't
happen. You know, one of the things, so
I mean, for right now, I mean, kudos to Josh and and definitely
given the Bulls a lot of a lot of drugs. 100% And last but not
least, Mateo Thomas is 100% right.
I do enjoy saying Lisa and Al Gaidi.
It's fun to say Mateo, I'm going to make you full screen totally
serious. Is Josh Mandel the new Lisa and
Al Gaib of Bitcoin? Well, first of all, I don't know
what Lisa. I don't even know what that guy
is. I'm sorry.
But I guess it's somebody to believe the future from the from
the thing he has in his nose. Is that how you predict the
future? I think so.
I mean, yeah, I mean as, as my said, yeah, for now, like you
can be like everybody can be the guy with the nose for like a day
and right. And then and then somebody else
going to come and it's going to have a bigger, you know, a
bigger nose thing. And it's going to be more Lisa,
whatever the name it is than you.
So I don't know. I don't know who the hell is
this guy anyway? It's the guy from dude it's with
me and that was making the rounds anyways, so you guys you
guys heard it here. We all agree this is the new
Lisa and I'll game for now until he gets, I mean, let's see
'cause I'm telling you if he gets this 444K price prediction
right. 1st 100K end of month if he gets 100K end of month.
Like, we're all gonna be losing our minds.
We're gonna be like, who the fuck is this guy?
So, yeah, but every, you know, everyone must.
What what, 100K end a month? That wasn't a prediction, right?
No, he said. Yeah.
He essentially said if the Bitcoin price closes on March
14th, 2025 at in between 80 to 84 K, then the price is going to
go much higher. And then he followed it up with
100K by end of the month. And then he followed that one up
with 444K by, I don't know, 20252026.
So I guess we'll be watching 2 weeks.
Are we running to 100K? Wow, he didn't leave himself
much time for air under K By the end of the month.
There's not really too many people going to be looking to
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Anyways, over the weekend there's some pretty interesting
content that dropped. Michael Saylor went on Fox
Business and did a couple interviews.
Pub Key was featured. I have the video of that.
And of course there's a sit down interview of Michael Saylor at
his Miami mansion. Let's check out some of those
clips. Kevin, let me ask you this.
You say start small, but is it safe?
A lot of people aren't sure. When I send my money, if I if I
use my money and I put it in crypto, where does it go and is
it safe? That's a great question.
And if you try and do this on your own in a decentralized
wallet, as they're called, someone will hack you most
likely because you don't know what you're doing.
To make it safe, go to an accredited exchange like
Coinbase, something that is is, you know, regulated, but also
that you can see every day on your phone that has million.
I mean, before I move, I'm before I keep it going.
I mean, Mr. Wonderful at Public Key, but you know, terrible,
terrible take for Mr. Wonderful. I know Muzz is a big fan.
Muzz, do you, do you have any opinions, thoughts, feelings?
I think you're muted, brother. Perhaps Mr. Wonderful needs to
take a trip down the old What's happened with exchanges in the
past 12 years? Perhaps old Mr. Wonderful needs
to revisit, you know, Mount Gox, Kripsy, my God, you know, he was
probably out there. I mean, he was an FTX spokesman,
I think. I think he actually showed FTX
and got paid for it. So, you know, anyone who
listened to Mr. Wonderful then is not feeling so wonderful now.
I mean, you get what he's saying, right?
I mean, it's, it's still that's the challenge with with Bitcoin
is onboarding. You know, I remember I just got
my mom set up with a hardware wallet and she texts me
sometimes and says I have a question about the words, right?
It's funny listening to your parents go ahead and think about
mnemonic seed phrases. I have a question about my
words. And you know, it's still tough,
right? Because there is no 1800
Bitcoin. You know, that's the trade off.
You know, you make a mistake and you're going to lose Bitcoin
forever. So, you know, I mean, I kind of
get what he's saying here and it is a process, right?
Maybe you start with a little bit of Bitcoin and then once it
turns into kind of a lot of Bitcoin, then you really got to
think about, you know, taking the personal responsibility and
and taking that next step. But you know, exchanges aren't
safe in any way. I mean, we all know that.
I mean, you guys are out there every day screaming get your
Bitcoin off exchanges and and I don't know, I mean he got rugged
with FTX. Maybe he needs one or two more
ruggings in him before you know, he's fucking hardcore out there
with the hoodie just being like self custody.
KYC is the real enemy. Fuck these people.
But you know, he's not quite there in his Bitcoin journey.
Absolutely, I mean bro, self custody.
Self custody is not your Bitcoin.
I got the hoodie on everything. Mateo, do you have some thoughts
on this? Yeah, hold on, Hold on a second.
Yeah. Mateo is a shadowy super coder.
There we go. Boom.
So, yeah, I mean, Surf Castle is the way to go.
I know it's a little tricky, but you got to learn.
Because if you if you keep it on exchange, it's not your money.
So eventually they might get hacked, they might get seized by
the government. You know what's funny?
I always wanted to talk to Sailor about his idea that the
US government should own like 20% of the coins, like a lot of
coins. And, and he doesn't own, you
know, he doesn't hold his own coins, his own coins, his
Microsoft coins are on Coinbase, which is really the US
government and so on and so forth.
And I always said a fear that people are so worried about
minors centralization, which to me is like the least of the of
the issue. But in reality the real issue
the way I see Bitcoin is the custodian central custodian
centralization like so imagine if so I did the math one time I
think in 2023 in fees they were paid 23,000 bitcoins, right?
Not from the rewards like fees. Now what happens is if I have
1,000,000 bitcoins, I can pretty much spam the chain for one
year. Why?
Cuz nobody's gonna be able to upbeat me and I can clog the
chain and I can basically, you know, like shut down the Bitcoin
on chain network. And maybe I'm just being
paranoid, but I always thought that's the number one threat to
Bitcoin, the custodians and not the miners.
And so, yeah, if you the more comments you keep on the
custodians, the more this thread, this problem becomes
bigger. But at the end of the day,
everybody start with the custodians.
So if you're new to Bitcoin, you start with the custodians.
Then you look, you watch some YouTube like busy session is
great to learn about self custody.
And then eventually you hold your own keys, your own coins.
So whatever happens, it doesn't bother you.
It doesn't matter to you. I think that's kind of the path
of most big corners. And so if you're new, just keep
learning. If you've been around for a
while, just. You get a hardware wallet,
transfer some coins, do some testing, and then you'll flip
coin. It's not that difficult.
It's not that difficult, You just have to do it and get
confident. Absolutely, 100%, yeah.
I mean, I think that's the name of the game, right?
You get comfortable with self custody and it just, you can
never imagine yourself in a, in a situation where you, you're
not taking custody of your keys, right?
100%. But I mean, it is difficult,
right? For older generations like my
parents or grandparents, right? The idea of self custody is just
like, it's so, it's so completely just, it's out of
their comfort zone to say the least.
Anyways, Opti, what's your take on?
I know that you're a big fan of Mr. Wonderful.
I know that you and Muz will love watching Shark Tank
together and you'll you guys will have like Shark Tank recap
calls and stuff. So Opti.
Yeah, I mean, obviously this is really bad advice.
Like it's simple, but like Muzz was saying, I think this is kind
of a sign of the time, especially someone that is the
age of Mr. Wonderful. They're so used to just having a
middleman custody their assets. And so he's, you know, I think
on the one hand, if we're being nice, he's, you know, and, and
less cynical, this is maybe him trying to have some form of like
fiduciary responsibility of being like, hey, go to the
accredited people and that's the safest way to get your Bitcoin.
But if you talk to a normal person or not a normal person,
but like an average person that isn't a bitcoiner, that's
probably going to be their go to move is just be like, Hey, where
can I just buy some Bitcoin? And it's going to be safe
because not many people are used to self custodying their assets.
And This is why we always say that self custody is the
revolution. Like this is the game changer
about Bitcoin is that you can take hold of your own money here
and you don't have to trust the middleman.
Remember, go read the white paper.
It's literally the first sentence of the first, you know,
the abstract and the first paragraph.
Like there is too much trust on the Internet and it is based on
all of these middle men. And this is what Bitcoin is
eliminating. It's eliminating the middleman
and therefore you want to take custody of your Bitcoin.
So I see where he's coming from. Obviously, when you kind of go
down the rabbit hole, I would suggest for a lot of people that
that's probably where they start.
It's like, hey, but where can I buy Bitcoin and do it safely?
And then once they get over that first step of buying their
Bitcoin, you're like, hey bro, maybe you want to take these
coins off in exchange, considering that we've seen so
many exchanges blow up. So I get where he's coming from.
Obviously, I think this is a bad advice to just be like, hey, buy
it on Coinbase and leave it there.
You're going to be good, bro. And it's like, I don't know if
that's true, Mr. Wonderful. So I would highly suggest people
take their Bitcoin into custody. But I mean, I understand kind of
where he's coming from. You know, Boomer, boomer logic
here. It's not as hardcore Bitcoin
logic, but it is pretty interesting that that is the
clip that they put out on Fox News at Pub key.
But, you know, I guess it's just a sign of where we are right
now. People still need to learn
what's actually going on with Bitcoin.
You know, you know what one thing, So we give these old
people a little bit of a of a pass, right?
Oh, they're old. You know, how are they going to
be you at birth? You are expected to keep a
physical Social Security card, this little piece of paper for
your entire life. OK, So if somebody had, you
know, if, if my grandfather has this Social Security card from,
you know, 19, you know, 30, then you know, you should be able to
keep, you know, 12 words safe somewhere.
It's, you know, so we can't be too easy on them, right?
It is complicated. You do need someone to show you,
but I mean, come on. Yeah, 100%.
I mean, it's again too, you know, this is This is why you
guys should watch Simply Bitcoin instead of legacy media.
Tomorrow's Bitcoin News today. Anyways, any final thoughts
before I move on to the next segment?
We're going to be talking, we're going to be talking about the
news and specifically an article coming out of Bitcoin Magazine
for the audio listeners titled South Korea dismisses
Establishing a Strategic Bitcoin Reserve.
But that's not the signal out of this article.
The signal out of this article is the reasons as to why they're
not doing is quote, failure to meet IMF standards for reserves.
I mean, we told you guys this. It was a shot across the bow
when El Salvador was essentially, I mean, it seems
like Buchele didn't go along with it, but the IMF was born
was warning El Salvador saying, hey, listen, we're not going to
give you guys that loan if you don't, if you if you continue to
acquire Bitcoin. Seems like El Salvador had they
were at a fork in the road. They had to decide, decide which
way they were going to go. And they said, you know what,
we're going to, we're going to continue to acquire Bitcoin.
But it seems like other countries are, are put in this,
in this position, especially if they have loans with the IMF
where they don't have a choice, right?
Especially other countries that perhaps haven't even started
acquiring Bitcoin, aren't even looking at Bitcoin.
I remember back in 2021, Bukele and El Salvador had so much
momentum. It was announced El Salvador
made Bitcoin legal tender in 2021.
The conference in Miami at the time was absolutely bonkers.
Everyone lost their minds. And then the next year, everyone
was anticipating that another country was going to fall in the
footsteps of of El Salvador, but no country followed in the
footsteps of El Salvador. And I was always like, why?
That's so weird? Like that's so strange.
Why did that happen? Now we have a pretty good idea
as to why it seems like the IMF was never a big fan.
I mean, they indicated that since the beginning, but it
seems like they could have been the ones pulling the streams,
the strings in the background. But I mean, it is quite
interesting now that the United States is the the, the US
government is basically saying, hey, we're going to acquire
Bitcoin. So the whole dynamics of this is
really interesting and to see how it's going to unfold is
going to be, you know, let's see what happens.
This is it's going to be it's going to be interesting to say
the least. I've said that a couple times,
but this is very interesting times and Muzz man is a very
interesting man. So we have to say interesting
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Back so I tweeted this out a couple or posted it's not
Twitter anymore. I posted this on March 4th.
I said 94 countries have loans with the IMF.
All those countries were just sent a message they can't buy
Bitcoin. This is why after 2021, no other
countries followed El Salvador. Something stopped the momentum.
We now have a pretty good idea of who was behind that.
And this was my response to essentially almost got got half
a million views. But this is my response to the
news that was coming out where essentially the IMF was putting
pressure on El Salvador to stop acquiring Bitcoin, which is
absolutely absurd if you think about it.
This is a sovereign country with the democratically elected
leader that's representing the El Salvadorian people.
And there you have an an international institution
basically trying to dictate to El Salvador what they can and
cannot do with their money, which is absolutely ludicrous.
And then they hide behind the fact that Bitcoin is volatile.
Bitcoin has no value. It's, it's just bullshit.
So anyhow, and I said that, you know, a couple weeks ago and
then Fast forward right, March 17th, this is the headline.
South Korea dismisses establishing strategic Bitcoin
reserve. Here's the headline.
The Bank of Korea has dismissed the possibility of establishing
a strategic Bitcoin reserve, citing concerns over price
volatility and risks. I mean, we've heard those
excuses before. This comes despite ongoing
global discussions about using Bitcoin as part of foreign
exchange reserves following the United States plans to create a
reserve. In response to an inquiry from a
member of the National Assembly's Strategy Finance
Committee, the central bank rejected adding Bitcoin to its
reserve. OK officials emphasize bitcoins
wild price swings as a key deterrent, stating the
transaction cost to conserve bit convert Bitcoin to cash could
rise drastically if the market experiences instability.
As of March 17th, Bitcoin trades around 83,500, having fallen 23%
from its peak of 108,000 in January.
The B OK warned that this extreme volatility poses
significant risks to its reserves.
The the bank also indicated that Bitcoin fails to meet the IMF's
criteria for reserve assets. The IMF calls for prudent
management of liquidity, market and credit risk for reserves,
standards Bitcoin does not currently satisfy in the eyes of
the be OK, I'm going to leave it there.
Out of this entire article, this single paragraph is the signal
must man must man. I mean bro what what what's
happening here bro? Like this is here as day, the
IMF is just, you know, trying to ruin bitcoins reputation in the
eyes of the world. Do you think that the central
Bank of Korea is just using that as an excuse?
I mean it's all bullshit bro. Like at this point, 16 years
later, bitcoins the best performing asset of all time.
Like who's buying this anymore? Muzz?
You're muted bro. It's kind of disappointing what
happened with El Salvador. I mean, I've been to El Salvador
four times. And, you know, to see them sort
of roll back some of that and then not really have kind of the
clear guidance on, you know, he's saying one thing And
whether he ends up using that money or continues to buy
Bitcoin or not. You know, those companies like
Walmart, KFC, everything, they had to comply.
They had to enable Bitcoin payments to do business in El
Salvador. And they no longer really have
to do that. So I, I think it's just a Matt,
it's a temporary sort of game that they're playing.
I, I don't think they can hold it back forever, especially
with, with Trump and, you know, a lot of other nations coming on
board. You know, I mean, they can't
hold it back forever, but they certainly, the amount of control
that they have over these countries is, is crazy that they
actually have that much power. You know, I had thought that,
you know, what they had said was, is El Salvador was going to
be able to pay off the IMF with the Bitcoin price.
And it was just a little, you know, disappointing to see. 100
percent, 100%, yeah man, it was. It's crazy how much power this
institution has. Anyways, I do want to give a
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Smash that like button. Someone Thomas Martinez in the
chat says who controls the IMF? I mean, that's a really good
question, Matteo, what are your thoughts on this man?
This institution, this international institution has so
much power. They're not elected.
Like what's going on here? Why are they dictating?
Why are they telling all these so-called sovereign countries
what they can and cannot do with their money?
That doesn't sound like democracy to me Mateo.
What are your thoughts? You know, the crazy part is that
North Korea has more become the South Korea.
Like maybe, you know, maybe the path forward is to be a
dictatorship. I don't know, I thought that's
the real Bitcoin strategic reserve now, Jokina said.
I mean, yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's crazy like how much
power these, you know, these, these institutions have.
But I mean, it's not surprising anything for us Bitcoiners.
We always knew, you know, the, the system has too much power,
which, you know, in at the end of the day, that's why we are
into Bitcoin, right? Because with Bitcoin, we don't
have to fight that power. We can just completely like step
out of that system and don't have to worry about them.
But you know, for most people in the world, they still haven't
figured this out. And so they still listen to the
IMF and the World Bank and, you know, the, you know, NATO and UN
and, you know, the all this kind of unelected bureaucracy that
yeah, they're all empowerment. I think everybody gets become
the price that we serve and that includes nation states, right
and some people get it sooner, like the US finally got it like
after 15 years, 16 years, some of them got it like five years
ago. My home country of Italy
probably never gonna get it. So you know it's what's
interesting. You know what's interesting.
I was thinking that a day like, so Bitcoin is a tool for
freedom, right? And and so you should expect
that the countries that to have more freedom principles, like
freedom, the best are going to be the first to adopt it.
And so the US being like one of the, I mean, the biggest country
in the world and the first big countries without the Bitcoin,
it actually makes perfect sense because it's very pro freedom.
And if you're pro freedom, you're going to adopt freedom
technology faster than if you're anti freedom.
Now, I don't know anything about South Korea.
I probably know more about North Korea than South Korea, so I
don't know how how much they like freedom, but you know, it's
they're going to get 100. Percent.
Also, two guys. Mateo, I heard a rumor that the
orange palap is where Opti and Augustin Carson's met.
Is that true? It's it's not.
A dating at me because so stop. Well, somebody got married,
someone got. Married.
Oh my God. Wait, can you tell us a little
bit about that? So I mean, yeah, somebody got
married and he wasn't a man with a man.
We have no problem with with with any type of of of of
flavor. But yeah.
Yeah, I know it was. It wasn't like a traditional
marriage, men and women. And yeah, I mean, the guy was
like, man, I owe you. I find my girlfriend to this up
and my wife and you know, she's I didn't get invited.
Honestly, I got a little disappointed because they didn't
invite me to the wedding. I already got my tuxedo.
I already got everything ready to go.
But yeah, there's a yeah, it's not look, it's not easy enough,
but it's a social network. And when people get together,
you know, sometimes they fall in love, right?
And so that's. What happens it's, I mean,
that's absolutely magical. I know Mateo stayed at my house.
He stayed on my couch through the orange palop.
You definitely make connections like you've never done before.
I was waiting for this moment, Nika.
I was wondering when is? And this is this is Augustin
Carson's and this is, this is who Opti met, right Opti.
Help T you don't put him on the couch.
He is the couch. He is the.
Couch oh man oh man this is odd jokes this is odd jokes anyways
guys we got. Speaking of Speaking of couch,
do you know that I know it's a joke now, but there's a is a
story in your Did you watch documentary about the Julian and
Isabel did the orange BLOB and then there was a woman that just
sign up on orange BLOB and then Julian and his.
Oh, I heard about that. Yeah, I heard about that.
And then ended up on the couch of this lady.
And I'm like, I'm like, this is like a traditional if you sign
up for Orange BLOB, maybe we should ask when you sign up if
you have a free couch. It's part of the culture.
I, I, I, yeah, I mean, and you
could have it in your, you could have it in your profile, right?
And it could be like kind of cryptic, like if you know, you
know, if you don't know, you don't know, right?
So anyways, guys, it's going to be a great, great show.
We still have the culture segment left and we're going to
talk about Thunder Funder. We're going to talk about Orange
Palap. And we got the two protagonists
of Thunder Thunder and the Orange Palap, Mateo and Muzman
in the house. So I want to give a shout out to
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time the end the show ends. Anyways, Opti, do you have any
thoughts on this, the IMF, on Mateo, on Muzman before we move
on to the culture segment? Well, oh.
Wait, you just, you just got called out?
By the way, Mateo called me out on this as well.
Sat wise in the chat. Opti blew me off on the orange
plat. Matteo, you tell?
Could you tell Opti Live what you told me in front of
everybody? I, I mean, it's, we're, we love
simply Bitcoin, all the money that we make with this coin to
the sponsorship program. OK, OK, the least.
The least you can do opti. OK, OK, look, clearing, clearing
up the dirt here. I responded to everyone that DM
me last week, so I turned my notifications on.
I'm really notoriously bad at responding to my DMS. I
responded to everyone. So it took a while, but I
responded to you guys. OK, so I'm I'm there.
I'm locked in. I'll respond to everyone
probably weekly. I'll do my best, but I responded
to everyone. Nicole, we should make a new
deal. Let's do it.
We should make a new deal. The less up to replies, the
lower. Simply bitcoins going to go
broke up to you I'm. Replying I replied OK, I'm
replying I'm replying. So I I've been I've been logging
in. I responded to everyone.
It was like 100 plus messages. Again, I apologies for the
delay, but I'm I'm responding to the messages.
Absolutely. IMF, IMF.
El Salvador, what's your take? OK, all right, well, first of
all, Matteo stole my joke because I was going to say the
same thing. It looks like their neighbors in
the north are the real Bitcoin Maxis here.
They're they have a strategic Bitcoin reserve and they seem to
have good OPSEC. So, you know, South Korea is is
absolutely wrecked and devastated.
And we've been talking about this on the show for a long
time, that it is very interesting why no one followed
the El Salvador playbook. But obviously, in hindsight, we
know why the IMF has been pressuring everyone and they
don't like Bitcoin. And it's not, it's not or it's
super obvious why they don't like Bitcoin.
We talk about it every single day.
So, you know, it is disappointing to see South Korea
do this, but you know, they're going to have fun staying poor.
And maybe maybe their neighbors to the north are going to be the
real rich ones because they have a strategic Bitcoin reserve.
Many people don't know, but Kim is definitely a Bitcoin maxi if
you understand. He he actually runs a very
successful meet up. Oh my, I want to go to that one.
Anyways, the breaking news of today's news segment is that
Opti will reply to you on Orange Palab.
That is the breaking news. Every week, Opti will spend an
hour going through messages, hitting back all his fans and
hanging out in the simply Bitcoin group.
You guys could ask Opti any question to like and he'll be on
the he'll be on the orange pill app and.
Wait, how do I find the? How do I find the Simply Bitcoin
group on orange pill app? I need to get up in there.
It's hidden. It's hidden.
You got a search for it right Mateo are.
You going public groups at Mars, the last stop and the there's
like 1000 public we got. 406 people in the simply Bitcoin
group chat. Opti's going to be responding
every single day. You guys definitely don't.
I can't do every day. I'll respond every week.
You got wow, just moving the goal posts in front of Mateo has
no business acumen whatsoever. Guys respond.
Join the Simply Bitcoin group chat.
There's 406 people in there. It's a party.
I jump in there at least a couple times a week.
It's a great time. You could send me a message as
well and make sure to get back to every single one of you guys.
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Anyways, guys, we're going to do a deep dive into what these fine
gentlemen are working on during the culture segment.
We got Mateo, founder and CEO of the Orange Palap in the house.
And of course, we got Muzman, founder and CEO of Thunder
Thunder, Lightning Ventures, all of that good stuff.
We're going to start off with the Orange Palap Opti.
I'm going to hand it off to you, my friend.
Yeah, well, let's, yeah, let's start with the Orange pup.
So Mateo, let's talk about it. You were talking about it
earlier. You guys just launched the
orange pill app wallet. So absolutely incredible.
Plug it for the audience that if they're not familiar with it.
Yeah, so the orange flap is it's kind of like a couch surfing for
big corners. And you can find people with
couches all over the world and you can talk to them.
I'll just just kidding. It's, it's, it's basically, you
know, the, the reason. So I can tell you the short
story why I built this up. I went to Miami in 2021 and I
didn't know anybody. Literally I didn't know anybody.
It was my first conference. And before that I was like a
Bitcoin, you know, rabbit hole, like listening to all the
podcasts, all the books. And then I was like, yeah, let's
go find some Bitcoiners. So I went to Miami, which is
where, you know, Buchelli announced or the, the Bitcoin in
El Salvador. Anyway, so I met Vikons for the
first time and it was a great experience.
Then I came back to LA, which is where I live, and I said let's
go to a meet up, let's find big corners where I live, right?
And I went to this meet up. It was like October 2021 and I
kid you not, like half of the people were like Ethereum NFT.
So on my way back home, as I was young, I was like, how do I find
big corners in my, you know, in my local area?
Like there's kind of, I literally did the math in my
head, you know, like if there's 0.1% of big corners in the
United States, I should be able to find 10 or 20 or at least
three and there. But there wasn't a way, right?
Cuz on Twitter you can't, you know, you don't see where you
are. And so eventually I realized,
OK, I should build a solution to this.
Hopefully it's not just me with this problem of like, you know,
like at the Bitcoin is kind of like a hero journey, like your
normal life, everything is like, you know, normal.
And then you find out about Bitcoin and then you kind of
like go down to the like, to the like a dark side where
everything is like, it's like, you know, everything is like a
conspiracy theory and like everything is wrong with the
world. You know, the, you learn about
money printing and the Fed and all that kind of stuff.
And then your friends don't want to talk to you about Bitcoin
because they're still in normal. And in fact, then it's not that
they don't want to talk to you. They think you're crazy or
you're in a cold or, you know, you're kind of like losing your
mind. And so if you know, it's so then
then you become a little lonely. You know, it's it's which I
think is why we spend so much time on Twitter and all store
and all the podcast because, you know, we get lonely.
And so orange flap is the solution to that problem of like
being a big corner. It's a lonely journey.
But then, you know, so then I launched the app.
Actually, I launched you out literally like FTXI, remember,
blew up on a Friday. We launch on a Wednesday after
literally at the bottom of the mark, which was a great time to
launch this app actually. But yeah, so we launch this app,
you know, it's a location based social network, so you'll find
big corners nearby. Of course, we don't deliver
pizza, so we don't use precise location.
We use approximate location, which is 10 miles.
And more importantly, we don't do KYC, so you can be anonymous
as you like. We don't do ads, so we don't
really care about you or your data.
So we don't sell your data. We don't track your data.
And so it's very private. And yeah, the goal is to find
local big corners, meet them, have fun.
You know, like I go to meet ups that are actually free of big
corners, not like the fake one that I went.
And and now because of the election and Trump, we finally
launched a wallet, which is lighting only it's super fast.
You can ZAP users. Yeah, there you go.
So it's you can ZAP user username.
We just launched mass zapping. And the other day, guys, I kid
you not, we did half of all lighting network transactions.
That's crazy. Which I was shocked we did
100,000 transaction in one day. And so we launch this thing
called Math ZAP. And so there are group chats in
our orange lab. And now you can just click on
the bolt icon and you can ZAP everybody in the group chat and
you can add a little message. So it's it's kind of a way to
get attention of other people. It's actually the, you know, one
of the best way. And yeah, so now we have this
wallet. We're going to launch something
special. I guess we can announce here
we're going to launch Geo Zapping, which is you're going
to be able to tap a city, let's say Miami, and then ZAP
everybody that is in that city. And so actually somebody just
told me that a great use case. So you guys remember the
Canadian truck process right? Now imagine if Geo zapping
existed back then. You could just type the cities
where all the truckers are and ZAP them, although like from all
over the world, you can just ZAP people in all anonymous by the
way, because we don't do KYC, so there's no trace of that.
So we're launching Joe's app in this week and maybe tomorrow.
And yeah, so it's, you know, it's so we have a wallet, it's
a, it's a social network. And then later this year, we're
launching a ticketing platform for the events.
Very, very cool. Yeah, big fan.
Big fan of it. By the way, the Simply Bitcoin
group chat is popping off right now.
I'm going to read the last couple of message.
James says say hey Opti. Satoshi says hey Opti.
Chef Tommy says just checking in to make sure Opti holds his end
of the bargain. James says watching the show No
Alaska Mama says hey Opti. Chef Tommy says Opti and Niko
let's do a meet up and I'll cook hella steak.
So Opti is going to take a moment and join the simply
Bitcoin group chat and respond to all his friends and and and
fans. Anyways, yeah, this is a really
cool app. I've been using it for years
just watching Matteo develop. This has been absolutely
awesome. Opti is on the Orange Bull app
right now. Send him a, send him a question.
He will answer it live on air. And yeah, it's been a great it's
it's been a great experience I've had just using the app.
And one of the things, one of the highlights that I remember
again, was I didn't even know Mateo at the time.
And he was in Miami and he needed a place to stay.
And I was like, dude, I have a couch.
And, you know, he, I, he came at midnight and my wife was a
little bit scared and I couldn't see him in the hallway because
the light was off. So I just saw a very tall
Italian man. And he said, hi, I'm Mateo.
And I'm like, hey, I'm Nico. And I gave him, you know, a like
a blanket. And I showed him the couch.
And in the morning, I woke up and I was like, I'm going to
have breakfast with Mateo, but he wasn't there.
He was just gone. He was mysteriously gone.
And I figured out that Brian De Mint picked him up.
And it wasn't until like, at least a couple months that I
actually saw Mateo's face. I didn't know what he looked
like the longest time, but I knew his name.
But those are the only type of like special type of, you know,
a special type of events that you'll find in the orange pull
up. You won't find any altcoiners on
there. It's it's a, it's a Bitcoin
community. It's very lively.
It's very awesome. And you'll run into those types
of things, whether you know, it's just connecting with
people, right? You know, this is a movement.
The Bitcoin community is very special.
What Mateo was saying is, is very true.
Sometimes it's lonely to be a Bitcoiner.
It's hard to connect with people that share your your worldview.
There's there's not that many bitcoiners worldwide.
So the orange pull app makes it easy to find those Bitcoin
communities in those cities all over the world.
So it's a really, really cool resource.
Been recommending it for years. It's absolutely awesome.
Go to orangepullapp.com to get started.
Whine of kisses in the chat. Chat shadowy couch sleeper.
Something that Winekus does very, very well.
But yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to pass it on to Opti.
Opti. I mean, you got to, you got to
get on the orange palapa. I don't know what's happening
here. Well, first of all, I'm on it
and I'm responding, so, you know, get off my back here.
I just responded to the last three messages.
All right, so like, let's change the subject here because we're
here to talk about Mateo. Let's plug the lightning torch
before we go into why Muzz is here.
Yeah, so too. So when the Lighting Network
started back in 2017, there was this thing called the lighting
torch where people would just pass the torch to each other
like Jack Dorsey and Amanda Dell and other people like other
influencing the Bitcoin and then to raise funds for Bitcoin or
core developers. And so we thought, why don't we
do the same thing in Orange Velocity.
So we launched the wallet literally a month ago, actually,
and we've been passing this torch around to Orange members.
I think now we're like half a million SAT's, so we're almost
there. So once we get to a million
SAT's, we'll give it to open SAT's account.
And yeah, so if you want the torch, DM me or actually, sorry,
DM Opti, you press Secretary A. 100% Opti is going to be on the
app today all day, answering every question, every message
that you might get. So message Opti directly and if
if you don't just tag me on the simply Bitcoin group and I will
make sure to call Opti and get him on the app anyways.
We also have the one, the only must man in the house.
Muzz is the CEO and and founder of Lightning Ventures and
Thunder Funder and the Orange blab is now crowdfunding on
Thunder Funder. I'm going to pass the baton to
Muzzman Muzman. What does that mean?
And that's interim CEO of
Thunder Funder. I think we have a new CEO that's
going to be announced very soon that I'm excited about.
What does that mean? Well, Thunder Funder is a
crowdfunding platform, not like Kickstarter and Indiegogo and
those sort of things, but it's equity, equity crowdfunding
where you can actually invest into early stage companies.
That's the regulation crowdfunding portal that we have
here. And of course, we're focused on
Bitcoin and open source companies.
And the Orange Pill app is live on Thunder Funder right now.
So with a very low minimum, you can actually invest on what
would be likely very similar, if not the same terms as the fancy
VCs and the suits. That's kind of the power of
democratizing access to these really cool early stage
companies and that's what we're all about.
On Thunder Funder, we have another deal for Jolts.
Jolts just had some big news because Tether will be issuing
USD T on Lightning. Jolts is leading with Taproot
assets and of course Orange Pill app.
Those are our two first offerings on Thunder Funder, so
you can join it's free, you can sign up, it's very early, you
can send messages, you can discover other people on the
platform. We got a million things that we
want to do to really make it more engaged as far as a
community goes regular, lots of fun stuff, but it's early,
right? And we want your feedback.
So whatever you come up with, we will build, right?
And it's screaming for a mobile app too, which is something.
But you can connect with really cool people.
We actually have an orange pill app badge that's built into
Thunder Funder where you plug in your orange pill app profile on
your Thunder Funder investing profile.
You'll get a little orange pill app badge and then people can
click on you and move the conversation right there into
the orange pill app. So we love Mateo, we love
everything that he's doing and that is the investment
opportunity that we have right now.
Very very cool. So to find out more information
guys you can go to Thunder funder dot dot com.
Also breaking news, Opti will be the new CEO of Thunder Funder.
That is a joke is it must? Well, if you know if if you do
want to apply, we took the job posted down from from Bitcoin or
jobs. But if you are interested,
please reach out ASAP because we are looking for somebody really
cool. Opti Opti all first step is
answer messages. Answer messages.
You're one step closer to being the CEO of Thunder Funder.
Opti, could you Scroll down please?
Let's look at some of these the the deal terms we valuation
funding goal the min the Max type of security crowd safe.
Let's take a look let's take a look at some of these
highlights. So 15,000 paid members, 472,000
dollars, 472 K yearly revenue, 59 K downloads, 4.8 rating on
the App Store, 3.6 BTC and treasury and the 1,000,000 plus
messages. Very very cool and you guys
could invest in the orange palap today.
Just head over to Thunder funder.
Now I have a couple questions for you.
The chats already saying Opti for CEO Muzz, you might have put
yourself in a in a situation, but a couple questions for you
Muzz man. So can anyone invest because we
you know, we've heard this 1000 times like the the you know, if
you're not an accredited investor etcetera, etcetera.
You know, is there any type of barrier to entry on this?
Really, there isn't. And that's kind of the cool
thing about crowdfunding or equity crowdfunding is that
nearly anyone can invest. And you don't have to be located
in the USI don't think you can invest if you're in North Korea.
You know, there's a few sanctioned places that you you
can't invest, but for the most part, anyone can invest.
And it's really a low minimum. So for people who, you know,
want to get started with learning about Angel investing
and you know, investing in companies, but this is not free,
right? Like geyser.
This is not like geyser. You're not donating money to to
the orange pill app because it's it's a worthwhile cause and you
want to support it. You actually are an investor.
You actually have an instrument here.
They call it a crowd safe. It's basically a safe with a
with a couple of small differences from what you would
have as a standard safe, but you are an investor.
So when you see Mateo at the Bitcoin conferences or when
you're using his product, you are an investor and you know, it
kind of helps you solidify your bond with your users, your
customers, right, Because they love you so much that they are
going to invest in your company too.
You know, Sub Stack just did a really big one, you know,
because everyone loves Sub Stack and people, it gives them an
opportunity to invest. So Mateo has a very captive
lively audience within the Orange pill app and a lot of
those people are coming out and investing and supporting in him.
And you know, Mateo also has a nice Bitcoin treasury there too,
as well as it's it's a profitable business, which is
really cool. And you know, we have to put
everything on that deal page as we are just putting the
information out. OK, the rules with FINRA is I
can't tell you how much I love the orange pill app or how
amazing this deal is. We have to just present the
facts. So that's why, you know, we
don't have a bunch of rocket ship emojis and then telling you
all that stuff on the accredited investor side, you get to you
get to really dig in with your feelings and you can't do that
with with Thunder Funder. So everything you see there is
just presented. Those are all facts, not our
editorial content. Absolutely.
Very, very cool. So guys, head over to
thunderthunder.com today, check out the latest opportunities and
also check out the orange pull up.
Go to orangepullup.com today, send Opti a message and he will
make sure to get back to every single one of you guys.
I do want to thank the live stream, 1600 live viewers
between X and YouTube and roughly 100 of you guys watching
live on Rumble. If you guys enjoyed today's
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If you guys enjoyed today's show, I think we got a super
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Thank you so much. But yeah, guys, I'm a seat
though. Thank you, dude.
Yeah, guys, love you all. Thank you guys so much for
tuning in today. I'm your host Nico, my Co host
Optimus Fields, our special guest Mateo from the orange
Palop and Muzz Man from Thunder Funder.
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