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Crazy, crazy news. I mean it's not surprising at
all. But the long term Bitcoin
haulers hold an all time high Bitcoin.
That means that the amount of Bitcoin on exchanges continues
to to go down. The amount of Bitcoin hoddlers
continues to go up. I think this is bitcoins
incentives. I think they're, there's
they're, they're winning. And I think people are realizing
that if you sell your Bitcoin, what are you selling it to?
You're selling it. You're selling it for Monopoly
money basically. So this is overall bullish news.
We're going to break down also the numbers we're going to,
we're going to dive deep into that.
Today also seems like the Tether lawsuit was dismissed.
We were going to talk about that yesterday, but we ran out of
time. So we, we're going to, we're
going to, we're going to cover that article.
And on top of that, we have a very special guest.
We have Mags and Mags. Thank you so much for joining us
today. How you doing?
Hey, I'm awesome. How are you?
Well, it was good. It was good seeing you at Mining
Disrupt in Miami not too long ago.
Mags is a is it? I know that bitcoiners hate the
word expert, but I would consider you a mining expert.
Thanks that. No, I see that's the problem.
Once you go down the rabbit hole, you're like, I know
nothing. She's highly knowledgeable about
mining. All right, I'll say it like
that. And of course, my legendary
cohost, He's drinking coffee. That means he's feeling
optimistic today. The one the only the legend.
Legendary optimist Fields. How you doing bro?
I am doing wonderful and I am so geeked up on coffee this
morning. I probably have the jitters, but
hey, you know, this is part of the fun.
What's up everyone? Good to be back.
It's Tuesday. Still got a long week ahead of
us. But the news don't stop.
The grind don't stop. I'm excited for this one.
I'm. I'm ready to hear mags talk
about Bitcoin mining in the culture.
I think you guys are going to like this one.
But anyways. Are we gonna get a classic Niko
Jones rant today, or is this gonna be a mellow Niko Jones?
I don't know, man. It's just bullish news.
It's not. It's not like.
OK, so Hopia Niko Jones. So opium, Yeah, nothing's
around. Throughout, don't sell your
Bitcoin to BlackRock. Yeah, exactly.
That's the best news. That's the best news of the next
of this having the next four years.
If you sell your Bitcoin, statistically speaking, you're
probably selling it to Larry Fink.
Don't be that poor sailor or sailor.
Either one of them. Either.
Either of them. OK.
All right, everybody. No more delay.
Let's jump straight to the news or the US government.
Oh, my God. OK, that's a good dark turn.
All right, everybody, let's go. Let's start the numbers.
Let's do it. The Bitcoin numbers.
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Bitcoin is still a tiny baby. Anyways, here is Kathy Wood and
she's talking about the infamous Bitcoin Spot ETF.
Then she has an interesting take.
She says it if the SCC approves a Spot Bitcoin ETF, it will
approve more than one at once anyways.
She is also known for coming up with the infamous 2030
prediction where she says the bear case is 258 K, the the the
base case is 648 K and then the bull case is like some crazy
number, it's like $1.48 million per Bitcoin.
So that's so. And she's also obviously she's
accumulated a lot of Bitcoin, so she's a, she's a, she's a huge
advocate for it. But anyways, let's hear what she
has to say. And of course, this is on legacy
legacy media, Bloomberg. So let's check it out and then
we'll talk about it. So you are in this race, Let's
talk about the race a little bit.
The first important deadline coming up is August 13th, where
the ARC filing the SEC is either going to delay it, which we
think they'll probably delay it. And then BlackRock is later.
You filed before BlackRock, but BlackRock came in with the
surveillance sharing agreement with Coinbase.
That was novel. Right Now we're looking in the
future. There's talk of a common clock
where the SEC could approve a bunch of ETF's at once, putting
you on a level playing field with BlackRock.
And others, what's your take on how this will play out given you
filed earlier? I I think you're probably right
that August 13th will come and go and I think, I think the FCC,
if it's going to approve a Bitcoin ETF, will approve more
than one at at once. So then again, because most of
these essentially will be the same.
And it will come down to marketing, communicating the
message. You know, we've been putting out
our Bitcoin monthly for the for the last year.
We are now starting a Bitcoin brainstorming session, our first
one we launched last Thursday. So we're trying to get the word
out there that, you know, our research is deep.
And we've been doing it since 2015 when we gained our first
exposure to GB TC. We were the first public asset
manager to gain exposure to Bitcoin at all in 2015.
That's exactly where I want to go, the Grayscale Bitcoin trust
known by its ticker GB TC. If you look at Arc W for example
your ARC Next Generation Internet ETF.
Right now I see GB TC as the third largest holding.
If we are in a situation where the SEC does give its blessing
for a spot Bitcoin ETF, would you plan to sell out of GB TC
and buy one of these physically backed funds?
I cannot talk about what we would and would not do and in
fact. Our compliance team is you know
giving us marching orders not to talk very much about this filing
and it's aftermath at all. So just the fact that we filed
with our partner 21 shares is, is as far as as I can go, all
right. I'm fine, not surprised at all.
So interesting how this is playing out and again like what
I find very interesting is that even though she filed before,
it's like it's almost as if BlackRock gets very special
treatment than the rest. So I think that's.
But Mags, I want to get your take cuz I haven't heard it
before. It's What's your take on the
BlackRock Spot ETF? What do you think it's going to
do for Bitcoin? I've had, I've heard two
different takes on this. Caitlin Long is coming from
they're going to rehypothecate the F out of it.
That's what Lawrence Apart thinks as well.
And then Foss and Lavish come from.
This is really good for the price action.
It's going to price the pump and they're not really going to be
able to rehypothecate it because of, you know, it's a spot ETF in
the regulations and all that stuff.
So what's your take on this? What?
What anger are you coming from? What?
What anger you coming from at it?
So I'm coming more from the Foss lavish side where so we don't
yet have a full regulatory structure in the US around
custody, right. So I think that like that's the
caveat depending on how they set it up, it's still possible that
maybe there is some rehypothecation possible.
But I think generally as best practices companies that just
have been holding, what will be more interesting to me is
whether BlackRock decides to then set up some sort of.
Yield product, not like the bag cutting yield where $10,000,
sorry 10,000% I mean something like setting up lightning notes,
so, so you can earn a yield, right.
So, so that to me would be interesting if they set
something up like that where you're it's technically not
rehypothecating because you're still holding the keys, but
you're still making it work for you.
I'm sure they're hiring talent everywhere.
I do think it will have a massive impact on price action
because this is you know, the gorilla in the room on Wall
Street. BlackRock is the largest asset
manager in the world. So once they have the Bitcoin
fund, I do think there will be some allocation from their
massive portfolio. It might not be everybody's, but
it may be their wealthiest clients or even just, you know,
1% allocation will do numbers. So I think for, for, for that
people, you know, it is exciting but.
Again the the challenge there is, is because BlackRock will
probably attract the most capital, like I think it would
be the largest Bitcoin ETF there is, You are again consolidating
it in one spot. So we're seeing that.
And I know bitcoiners, you know, we've seen this happen.
You have huddlers like Michael Saylor.
It's just, it's just a shame sometimes.
To see it happen. And lastly, you know, I've been,
I've been through something similar in Canada.
So I helped launch the first Bitcoin fund in Canada.
We took the Ontario Securities Commission to court.
It was a three-year legal battle and we ended up with a 26 page
ruling from the judge that said yes, it is in the public
interest for the public. To hold Bitcoin, which then
paved the way for all the ETF's in Canada.
So I'm really excited to see the legal case with respect to GB TC
that's going through the court because I think either we will
get BlackRock first or GB TC if if for some reason give me keeps
like stuff in Bitcoin down. But that said, BlackRock is
powerful. They donate a lot of money.
Things have changed. Like look at mainstream media
now like BSG. We're in a different part of the
cycle. I think it's so crazy watching
the anchors protect Bitcoin using like a lot of the
terminology that Bitcoiners are using.
It's like, wait, did I just hear that?
It's like, no, Bitcoin is actually a good thing.
And then, you know, it's it's perplexity.
It's, it's. You think it's a bazzle, right?
Like Black Rock is Black Rock's a part of this?
Bitcoin is actually a good thing.
Bitcoin is actually helping the oceans anyways.
Opti, what's your take on this? Well, yeah, you know, as the
inhouse Bitcoin Pleb, you know the average Bitcoin in here.
I don't like ETS. Personally, I advise not to buy
paper Bitcoin, but as far as I'm concerned, it's paper Bitcoin.
But we all know that this will be good for price action.
I do understand and I think anyone that is not naive
understands how much capital inflows will come from these
ETF's, from traditional financial people.
And you know, in that regard, we're super bullish because,
hey. As we've been talking about, you
know, BlackRock got trillions of dollars.
If even a small portion of that money gets into Bitcoin and we
start to orange pill those people and they start to
understand what they're holding, it's gonna be extremely bullish
moving forward obviously. And on the Kathy Woods news, you
know we love competition. So hey, you know, it's gonna be
great to see multiple spot ETF's approved at one time.
Because then people can actually have options and choices and
they're not being forced to get centralized into one ETF.
Obviously, as mag says, most people are probably gonna just
trust the BlackRock name because they are the biggest asset
manager in the world. So we know that most money will
probably go into BlackRock, but as something we've been talking
about. BlackRock has become like the
Canary in the coal mine now and it's signaled to every asset
manager in the world that Bitcoin is safe.
You know, they're they've endorsed Bitcoin.
So Bitcoin is ESG friendly now and every corporate press site
out there is starting to embrace Bitcoin and talk good about
Bitcoin. So you love to see it and it
really makes you start to understand that this is opening
up. All asset managers around the
world to not have the damage to their reputation by embracing
Bitcoin. And obviously that's good for
every single person out there that is holding Bitcoin and is
yet to hold Bitcoin. Because now everyone knows what
we know. Bitcoin is safe.
You want to hold Bitcoin, you need some Bitcoin in your
portfolio and you know Bitcoin is for enemies.
Bitcoin is for anyone. So as much as us bitcoiners may
not like. The ETF products like who are we
to stop people from using Bitcoin, how they see fit And it
really reminds me, we've been talking about this for a while.
It really reminds me of one of the early how Finney posts on
Bitcoin Talk forum where he's saying, you know there will be
Bitcoin banks that are fractional reserve and there
will be full reserve Bitcoin banks.
So I think we are in the beginning of that process and
we're going to start to see who's going to take the the risk
of rehypothecating their Bitcoin.
And I I forget who was saying it, but it was in one of the
IRF. Nico, I'm blanking on who it was
exactly, but we were kind of a TLDR ING them in the chat.
It's like, what if the BlackRock Bitcoin ETF is the very thing
that brings down BlackRock by then?
Rehypothecating Bitcoin like this would be bullish AF.
Peter Dunward, There's Peter Dunward.
Peter Dunward, like that would be an amazing turn of events.
It's like of course they are incentivized to try to continue
to do traditional financial techniques maneuvering and watch
them like just. Get bit by the greed bug even
though like Bitcoin goes up what like 100% every year on average
and they rehypothecate their Bitcoin and then they just get
margin called and the whole company comes out like how
glorious would that be? I want to get mags perspective
on this. Yeah.
I'm just wondering why would you risk it if you're that big,
you're earning a lot of fees. Just just take your feet, just
like FTX. Take your knees and live off
them, you know? Yeah, agreed.
But but. But that hasn't stopped Wall
Street in the past, has it? No.
OK. All right.
We might see. You know what's interesting also
is that every cycle the exchange, the exchange, there's
always an exchange blow up and the exchange blow up is bigger
than the. Last bigger and bigger.
So I'm a Quadriga bankruptcy inspector.
We just distributed, by the way, last month we beat Mount Cox.
So wait, could you talk about what happened?
Like, is he really dead? Is he really dead?
You know, OK, so before I joined and and and just when the
bankruptcy process first happened, I thought it was just
so weird the way he died, right. So he died.
He took. In the hospital, they took his
body back to the hotel then brought it back to the hospital.
Hospital like, no, this ain't standard for seizures.
So they had to take it to university that had some shady
pass and I'm like, this just seems weird but looking.
So the Ontario Secrets Commission did a really big
report on where the money went and he lost a lot of it.
Trading like made bad trades and he was doing what FTX was doing
and just he lost about 140 million, which was like.
I remember off the top, maybe 65%.
And then like a bunch of it was hard assets that like cash and
houses that he bought with our funds.
And so I was like, well, there's not that much money left.
So if there was like this huge chunk out there, I'd be much
more likely to think that he's alive.
But like, I went from 85% to like 98% sure that he's dead.
Gotcha. So, hey, Nico, What?
What Max is saying is there's hope that Bitcoin brings down
Black Rock. There's hope.
I know man, you can see Black Rock mining.
That would be pretty cool. Oh man.
This is the year of sovereigns mining.
But like who? Who's next?
That will start mining, right? Yeah, that that's very
interesting. I suspect it's going to be the
energy companies like you, like you had Conoco Phillips, you had
like it's like these massive. And again they weren't directly
doing it, they were doing it through a third party.
But I think that's the next step.
It it is. And and I mean sovereigns mining
is pretty freaking cool. But what's interesting too is
the new chairman of BlackRock is the former CEO of Saudi Aramco,
the largest oil company. That's why I'm like, that's
really interesting, you know, and and the Middle East is
really starting to embrace the quiet mining, right, Including
at a sovereign level, right? There's a sovereign wealth fund.
That's partnered in a joint venture with Marathon, so that
to me is pretty interesting. And that's why I said maybe it
will start mining, but even if it's tangential, yeah, it it's
it's it's exciting to say the least.
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messages. Anyways, the big news I wanted
to cover today is long term Bitcoin Huddler metric hits new
all time high. Long term Bitcoin huddlers now
control a record of 14.6 million Bitcoin according to data from
blockchain analytics firm Glass Node.
Long term Bitcoin Huddlers are a ha.
You see that little Freudian slip holders hoddlers.
I'm going to switch it to hoddlers, I don't care.
Longterm Bitcoin hoddlers are are dresses that have held coins
for at least 155 days according to Glass Node.
Previous research shows that this type of address is This is
statistically unlikely to spend. Thus in Bitcoin slang assumed to
be hoddling. I like that here for our our
video watchers, here's the graph, absolutely bullish.
And it's interesting because this wasn't the case in like the
early days of Bitcoin. I think a lot of people didn't
realize its value. But I think as time progresses,
as you have more Michael Sailors, if you have more name
bouquets, you have more black rocks, I think people come to
the inevitable conclusion. It's like if I sell Bitcoin,
that's the question that I always get for my family.
It's like, hey, So what are you gonna sell?
And like that? My response is always the same.
Like, sell to what exactly? Sell to?
To Monopoly money. Something that we could.
Especially now, like we just survived the bear market, We're
probably on our way back out soon.
Like, this is not time to sell exactly.
Amen to that. I couldn't have said it better
than Mags anyways. So let's kind of breakdown.
Let's do some some simple math, right.
So I start. I asked Google this morning when
I saw this. I said how many millionaires are
there around the world, right. So there's 56,000,000
millionaires, right? Let's go back to the stat.
So it's estimated that four. Let's let's round up.
Let's make this number 14.6, right?
So 14.6, so 14.6 million Bitcoin unaccessible Max.
How many How much Bitcoin do you think are lost?
I think at least a million. I know people say it's higher,
but every now and then we see coins move.
So, so I do think probably a million, but I don't think more
okay, so a million. So let's say there's 20 million
Bitcoin, right? So you subtract 14.6.
I'm terrible at math. Help me guys here. 14.6 -, 20 is
5.45 point 4. OK, so 5.4.
So there's 5.4 million Bitcoin to to go around, right?
Plus, not to mention all the Bitcoin that has been mined
mined yet. And there's 56,000,000
millionaires around the world, right?
So you do the math, right? So it's 5.4.
Let's divide it so 56,000,000 / 5 four and we get the number of
10.3. No, I totally did that wrong.
And you know, as Greg Foss would say, do the math. 11th grade
math and he go to do 11th grade math.
I totally did. I became a concentrate.
No need 11th grade math to buy Bitcoin and hold Bitcoin.
So 5.4 / 5.4 divided by how much Bitcoin is left, How much did we
come? What come up with it?
Was 5.4 bro. Okay 5.6 million divided by
56,000,000 is .09 Bitcoin per millionaire, which is
absolutely. It's nothing, right?
So I don't think that's very world.
It's nothing for the developing. It's a lot.
Exactly, exactly. I agree with.
I agree with that statement. And then, mind you, right, you
also have this guy who's just continuing to stack all of it
and he he's just not leaving it for the rest of us.
And let's take a look at how much Bitcoin he has.
He has 152. So I guess the Long story short,
the point that I'm trying to make right is that if you divide
it equally between all the millionaires with the amount of
Bitcoin that's left, that's not in cold storage.
It's only .09. Let's round up it's .1 Bitcoin
per millionaire. There's one billionaire that has
158,000 of them. Imagine when the other
billionaires wake up to this and they say, hey, I want to stack
some too, there's not enough Bitcoin to go around.
And I think that this has never happened before because in gold
mining, what's interesting is that the production of gold
mining actually goes up when the price goes up.
But with Bitcoin, doesn't matter.
The having is the having like it is what it is.
So it's just a very unique and interesting phenomenon.
And that leads, like it leads the Neville conclusion, This
thing's going to go to the moon, This thing's going to blow up.
And to add to what Mags was saying earlier, right, why would
you sell your Bitcoin right now? You're selling it to Sailor,
you're selling it to BlackRock and maybe you're selling it to
governments. We don't know yet.
Definitely El Salvador, but. The.
Other ones El Salvador, but then also like.
Not just the bull market, like, we're waiting to see if the ETF
is going to be approved, right? We're waiting to see if
grayscale is converted. Like, it's not a good time.
Just at least wait till that. Yeah, it's it's definitely not a
good time. Is it safe to say it's never a
good time to sell your Bitcoin? Would you say that Max?
I will. No, I'm going to be that guy.
That girl I think to like. But I've been in this place
where I'm like, I'm never selling.
I'm foddling. And then you struggle through
and it's like, at some point it's like you got to live life,
right? You got to enjoy things, go on
your trip because, like, on your deathbed, maybe you folks are
like, yes, generational wealth. Well, if, if you're holding some
Bitcoin, there's still going to be generational wealth that
you're passing on. You're not selling at all.
But I think like making memories with your family, you know, go
see your parents. You know, spend time with your
partner, going that vacation, spend time with your kids.
I think that is more important than maybe you need a house.
Provide security for your family, right?
I do think you should be. Don't toddle forever.
At some point, you have to live too.
Okay. I like that.
I love that.
And I agree with you, by the
way, I agree with you. But the awesome part about
Bitcoin is that you know it it it goes up, right?
So it's like this, it like this. You're on this like like weird
type of mentality where it's like you're purchasing power
increases over time. Yeah, it's a very interesting
phenomenon. Anyways, optimum.
Back. Don't be like, oh, this phone is
now worth $10,000. Like, that's it's a negative
mindset, right? OK, but Max?
To be fair, that 10,000 Bitcoin for two pizzas like that must
have hurt. Yeah, no, I can't remember if he
had. He probably had more, but that's
a tough look. If I had been in Bitcoin in like
2009, for all I know, I might have sold that like $1.00 at
$10. You never know, right.
So and he said the price like that was you needed it.
It was a beautiful transaction because it's now, you know,
like. In at 2140, when the last
Bitcoin is mine, right, people are gonna be like, remember that
Laszlo and he bought that pizza. Yeah, he went down in history.
Your name goes down in history. That is your legacy.
Like he has a legacy. This is true.
Oh, yellow.
Yellow has a comment. Yellows in the chat.
Don't sell your sats for stuff. Sell it only for the betterment
of your quality of life. That's the standard of selling.
Nothing less and start buying back immediately.
Okay. Yes, that's a really good way to
put it. Don't stop believing how to do
that feeling. Yellow is always here.
All right. Abdi, what's your take on?
Well, first on the Laszlo. Topic You know, he was an early
GPU minor, so I'm pretty sure he's set.
Have you seen him in that interview, bro?
Like, I'm pretty sure he's OK and and doesn't regret selling
that 10,000 Bitcoin. Like.
Which one? No.
Have you seen? Have you guys seen him in that
interview or like the like? It was like the legacy media
where they have like multiple camera angles and she's like, so
you sold 10,000 Bitcoin, That's 175.
And he's just like. I never did the math.
He's like, yeah. That's like 2 Max points though,
You know, like you can always look back, Yeah, you can always
look back and be like, man, you know all the Bitcoin I've lost
or you know, the opportunity cost of not buying when it was X
price like. That is just bad for your mental
health period. Like look forward stacks at you
have the opportunity to stack now but that's a totally
different different topic. So let's get back to the news
here. First and foremost, I love
seeing the corporate press. This was Yahoo news just like
continue to cover Bitcoin whether they know that they're
being stupidly bullish with us or not.
Like I just love to see that we have psyop corporate press to
like talk about Bitcoin stuff. And you know, Yahoo News has
been doing a pretty good job and shouts out to I forget who it
was. But they tagged me on Twitter
and they're like Opti. You got to be more optimistic
about the corporate press. Like we have Bitcoin is working
at Forbes and stuff and I'm like, hey bro.
Take pmg. Yeah, exactly.
Exactly. Like, I love to see it, but you
know, I I'm not. I'm doing my job by being
critical and skeptical of the corporate press sites, but love
to see that bitcoiners are infiltrating all of the
institutions. So, you know, just just love to
see it. But to the news about the
Hodlers and the Glass Note stuff.
And of course you know, Glass Note on Yahoo.
News like, just love to see. I remember when that was just
Bitcoin opium on Twitter and like Glass Noon, like my metrics
on chain metrics, bro, we're going to the moon.
But what do I always say on the show guys?
The Bitcoin price is a real time metric of people's
understanding. And I think that that metric of
people holding Bitcoin is also a real time metric of people's
understanding of what they're holding or what Bitcoin as a,
you know, as people would say as a class and investment.
Idea is, and it's something you want to hold long term.
It's the best store of value in the world and it's
permissionless money and we know all the memes.
But you love to see that this trend is improving, that more
people are holding on to their Bitcoin and not just looking for
the Fiat gains. And I think a lot of people
forget that. Bitcoin price is set by the
margins. Like there's only so much
Bitcoin that that people trade and that's what sets the Bitcoin
price. And more people are holding
Bitcoin as we've seen. What is it, 14.6 million Bitcoin
is in cold storage. Like most people are hoddling
their Bitcoin. Most people understand what
they're holding and they don't want to part with it.
And I think I forget who was the person that did the article, but
it might have been glass node themselves or chain analytics or
something. I forget who it is.
Some Unchained metrics person and they were saying a couple of
months ago that all the Bitcoin tourists are gone in the
ecosystem. So like, yeah, that's that's
that was their framing all the Bitcoin tourists.
Are gone. And I think it's it's becoming
more and more obvious to at least us here on simply Bitcoin,
like everyone that is. Still.
Obsessed with Bitcoin is people that understand what Bitcoin is.
They understand how this is going to change the world.
And we haven't really got back into popular culture of
consciousness yet because we've been in a bear market for so
long. So it's just, I think it's very,
very positive to see corporate press talk about Bitcoin,
whether it's like you know, Joe Squawk or it's Yahoo News like.
Or BlackRock or whatever. Like everyone is starting to
realize, like, hey, I might want to get some of this just in case
it catches on and it's like, hey, we're here, we're waiting
for you guys and this next bull run.
I think it's going to be absolutely insane.
And it's just beautiful to see that most people are holding on
to their Bitcoin. And of course there's probably a
lot more Bitcoin lost. And we understand.
And it just always makes me think.
We are just not bullish enough guys.
I I know we're getting lost in the sauce and the bear market's
wearing us down and we're we're doing our best to sell all of
our chairs and be greedy and stack all the SAT playing hungry
hippo with Bitcoin. But I think moving forward we
are going to see. Very sharp price rise and all of
you guys out there going to have to make it through that auto
buyout zone. As we can tell, all the
institutions want your Bitcoin. Everyone's a scammer and they
want your Bitcoin guys, so you know.
Steal your mind right now. Make sure you guys are mentally
prepared for this price rise. And and also like Max was
saying, you know, get yourself in a financial position where
you don't need your Bitcoin to raise for you to live a good
life. So you know right now is the
time to calm before the storm to prepare yourself for what's
going to come because hey, you know me, I stay stupidly bullish
and I think it's going to get crazy.
So I'm just trying to like. Temper that now because I
already know I'm going to be losing my mind in the next year
or two about the price rise. So I'm, I'm just warning you
guys now, it's all looking very good in, in my opinion.
But hey, I have, you know, orange lenses on and I look
through the world in orange tinted view.
Oh man, oh man. Opti.
They don't call him St.
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Well, first and foremost. Most people really love to hear
people's orange or white, you know, rabbit hole story, rabbit
hole journey. So Mags, I'm going to first tee
you up with what is your rabbit hole story and why you so
obsessed with Bitcoin. I'm I'm probably very similar to
most people where number go up. I'm like hmm what is this?
Bought, bought a little bit so other things going up like
Ethereum diversified so I CO's lost a lot of money.
Came back in the black in 2020, which is just painful because
that was a 2017 class. That kind of was like a learning
moment. You know, you have trial by fire
where I was like, there's a lot of crap out there, and sometimes
you kind of have to go through that to better understand why.
But I kept learning. And I think also you have to
dive into like your your personal story, your family
history to make. Bitcoin resonate with you or why
it's important or when you're connecting with other people
Because looking back, I have some family stories.
So my grandma, beautiful gardens, beautiful house in
Poland when she grew up, but when the war happened and the
government shifted the border, because that's what governments
do and that. She lived in Tadnopo.
It was no longer in Poland. It became part of the Ukraine.
So she lost her house, she lost her land and she had to leave
the country and with not much, right.
So that's that's a case of like governments, you know, like Draw
Something, sign something and things are no longer yours.
And I take that personal story. As you know, Bitcoin cannot be
confiscated by government with like the stroke of a pen.
And so that's important to me and that's something that
resonates. And then also same thing with my
grandpa. His grandfather was an artist in
Poland and he, you know, painted lots of beautiful pictures.
But again, war happened. They had to flee their house and
we came back. It was broken into and all the
paintings were gone. And other valuables.
And then he walked along the street and see his grandfathers
are in like, for sale the stuff that was stolen.
And he couldn't even afford to buy it back.
But again, like people will steal your things.
And last kind of personal story is we left Poland during
communism. We escaped as refugees.
You know, my dad packed up the car, the little Fiat, because
that's what we had back then. It was a standard car, Fiat car,
tiny car, everything that we could take with us.
We took the government kind of messed up there.
They gave everybody in my family a passport.
Usually they wouldn't because then somebody has to stay
behind. But they made that mistake.
And when we arrived at the border, you know, there were
border guards there, like, where are you going?
What's going on? The border guard looks in and
she's like, you're not coming back, are you?
And then my dad's like, no. And she's like just go and but
he was worried that they were going to shoot shoot at them
because a kind of a time but, you know, we made it, but that's
all we took. And so you know it.
It's just these little stories that kind of make the coin more,
you know, resonate with me and my story and why it makes sense.
So I I urge everybody to kind of like go through your family
history and and and find those stories why it resonates,
especially when. You know, you're struggling.
You're like, I don't know if the coin's ever going to go up
again. It's like, those are, those are
the reasons why you're like, I'm in it for that, right?
And for me too. I'm also in it because.
So I spend a decade in low carbon economic transition,
right? I know a lot of you love the ESG
stuff, but like I was trying, you know, I love the
environment. I was trying to save, you know,
the environment by working on projects that would reduce
carbon. And and while you're there, you
know for the decade I saw that government just shift the, the,
the, the targets because they can't meet them and they need to
make trillions of dollars worth of investment.
And it's just not happening because no one's spending the
money like taxpayers, ratepayers.
It's just not happening. And then you get into Bitcoin
mining and we are, you know, Bitcoin is this elegant system
of economics, right? And it's finding.
It's all about finding those incentives and here we are.
Setting up projects Co locating with renewables, with nuclear to
support that, you know those low carbon generation sources.
We're building out better grid infrastructure for that new, you
know, transition to a low carbon grid.
You know, we're like partnering with projects that are reducing
methane, whether it's landfills, whether it's on farms, right,
like animal poop is generating energy.
The project that I work on is reducing.
The landfill waste for tigers. But like we are through the
incentives that Bitcoin provides, subsidizing a way to
reduce, you know environmental negatives or externalities.
And so it's pretty exciting to me, like that's that's what
makes me super pumped and excited, right?
Like you hope that you get to work in a place that it's also
meaningful and and that's why I love being a bitcoiner and
working in this space. Love it.
Powerful story. Powerful.
Story. I'm already a super fan.
This is, this is, this is awesome, This this is
incredible. Like what your your childhood
experience, you know, fleeing A communist country kind of
seeing, you know what? And and then then looking back,
right? Like looking back and say what
if I had Bitcoin in this moment? Holy cow.
Would that have made a difference?
And you know, and it's interesting, you know, to put
communism aside, just collective collectivist ideologies in
general, like they have to build a wall to keep you in, which is
the interesting part, right? It's just not people just
wanting to stay there. But that is that is so
fascinating And you know, we've heard so many Bitcoin stories,
but that that had to be one of my favorites that I've heard.
And it's interesting because. Everyone approaches it from a
different angle, right? Yeah, but all roads lead to the
same place, right? Yeah, the single pillar of
truth, which is Bitcoin. Because it's a whole bunch of
our society. This is why Bitcoin is
fascinating, but also really hard to understand for the
regular person. Because it's like, suddenly
you're diving into the history of money.
Into energy systems, which are like super complex, just how
society is structured and inflation and and there's just
so many interconnections that it's overwhelming.
People are like, no, I'm just going to watch the Kardashians
or something like that, right? And that's why all walks lead to
Bitcoin, cuz whether you're a farmer who's now decided to
subsidize the operation through Bitcoin mining, right?
Or you're an energy company. Or you're working, you know, at
the central bank. There's different paths to
Bitcoin, so we will infiltrate every sector.
Let's go. I like it.
Let's go. Anyways, Mags.
I think this is a perfect example of what we'll be saying
about winning the hearts and minds of the masses out there
and telling personal stories so that people can also have
emotional connections to why we do what we do.
Because you know, if you're here just for the price, you might
get flushed out when the price goes down, but when you have
these other reasons behind why you do what you do, it becomes
so much easier being a hoddler. Like I always say, once you know
why you Hoddle, life becomes so much easier as a bitcoiner.
But you did, as Nico always say, bury the lead there.
You said something really amazing.
Let's talk about what you are working on.
You turn tires into energy for Bitcoin miners.
Like talk about, you know, ESG friendly Bitcoin mining.
Comment that came up, I think from Elaine, she's like, you
know, but there's a difference between ESG and showing and and
actually doing doing good work. So, you know, around the world a
billion tires gets thrown up every single year.
And in the US, about a tire per person, and that's just
landfilled. And you know, they leach toxins.
Sorry, they leach into the water.
Ways toxins and they also emit volatile organic compounds of
into the air and so nothing is done and there's massive fields
of tires on fire in different places of the world like Kuwait
and so it's a problem that really doesn't have a solution.
A lot more landfills are binding.
Sorry, banning the the landfilling of tires.
They're stopping using tires for children's playgrounds because
there might be some health negative health effects from
that. And some places are fanning.
So it's like, what do we do with these tires?
Well, we mind them, right? We have these vertical reactors
that we put the tires in and we thermally deconstruct them.
It's not burning like we're not burning tires.
We're almost like a reverse refinery where we take the tire,
heat it up, and there's multiple products that come out of that.
So there's an oil that we put in a diesel generator.
There's a synthetic gas kind of like methane that can be burned.
There's this black carbon byproduct at the end that also
had BTU value that we sell. And lastly, there is steel.
That 25% of the tire is steel because you need that rigid
structure to make, to be maintained, right.
And so we can sell that for scrap.
And so we have 4 products that we can sell and we get paid for
the tire because typically tires, you know, if you, if you
throw something out in a landfill, there's tipping fees.
So it's a very different kind of business model.
That also gives us optionality in a bear market because those
are the reactors there. In that picture, it gives us
absolute optionality because we can either sell the energy or we
can mine Bitcoin. So you know, depending on where
you are in the cycle or where you are.
So if you're an island nation where energy is expensive and
waste landfilling is expensive, maybe it makes more sense just
to set up those reactors and and use the energy.
Energy for the sake of energy, like think of Hawaii or Puerto
Rico, right. But in other places maybe makes
more sense to to mine Bitcoin. And so I love this because it's
another way where we found this different type of business model
that is lowering the environmental footprint as a
byproduct. But it makes economic sense, you
know, to mine Bitcoin or to get rid of this waste.
So that's what I'm excited about because we're, you know.
A lot of Bitcoin companies are here to do good and I feel like
we do that. That is awesome.
That is. How did you come up with this
idea? This is so fascinating.
That was the former team, so I joined on because I spent so a
decade, was working with heavy industry, and one of the things
that we looked at was alternative fuels like using.
Things like waste to lower carbon.
So when you think of a tire there is some it's not like
carbon negative or carbon neutral like some other products
but there is some biomass component because rubber comes
from natural plants. But so I joined because I have
prior knowledge of working with alternative fuels and also
Bitcoin and Bitcoin mining. It's not burning waste at high
temperature, we actually, so it's that we're not doing
paralysis where you do need high temperatures to paralyze as in
so, so I'm also a firefighter. Volunteer fires, burning
buildings, car fires. We do auto X where we, you know,
cut open the car and take the victim out.
So anyway, that is that so. Escape communism?
Burning tires for sats, Firefighter Mags.
What can't you not do? What's going on here?
So the reason why I bring up paralysis is like when you have
a fire, the the thing, let's say this banana, sorry, it's the
only thing that you know could comply right now that I'm
looking at here. It's better.
It's a better example. So when you're burning, you know
in a room, right? You're not this, this, this
actual solid thing is not burning.
When the room reaches a high enough heat, the item pyrolyzes.
And it's just kind of like off gases and it's that gas form
that lights on fire. So when you think about like
flashover, all that stuff, we're like, oh, big room explodes.
It's because the whole room has gone to a high enough heat where
things have started to volatize and then everything just, you
know, lights up. And so we're not doing that
requires a lot of heat to get that product to.
Prior life. But what we do is a low
temperature. Like I said, it's more like a
refinery. So we kind of bake it and it,
you know, when when you put oil in a refinery, there's different
things that get tapped off at different points.
And then at the end there's like kind of crap left over, you
know, like sludge that becomes some coke or heavy oil.
But so it's a different process that uses a lot less energy and
you just need a little bit of natural gas to get it started to
and then the rest, you know, it kind of burns a little.
Bit of the tire to keep that heat going.
So it is very different and much more energy efficient.
That's awesome, amazing. So we got a question here in the
chat. They're wondering, you said you
thermally deconstruct them. What chemicals are released into
the air as a result? What's being used?
Yes, for the actual energy consumption.
So we're not. Emitting air because what we're
doing is it's it's like there's there's chemical process that
happens that it gets that tire gets converted into the oil into
the synthetic gas that so we capture all the byproducts.
Again very different from burning where you know you burn
carbon and then you release CO2, right.
It's in anaerobic conditions and so and then there's the steel 2
left over that we, you know that can be recycled.
So it is a different chemical process.
And we've done life cycle analysis and accounting of all
the chemistry of how how this converts to that.
So there are like what gets very, what do you call it like
into the chemistry. But it's not the, like I said,
it's not burning where it's being emitted into the air
because we're not burning, we're converting.
Yeah, amazing. Amazing.
Okay. One last question before we get
to the meme review and I feel like.
One thing, sorry, has Microsoft seed plates in a burnt down
house? No.
But I will say one thing cuz even there was an ad for metal,
so as a firefighter, so most of the houses these days are
constructed in a very fat way. You're not using natural
materials, you're using plastics and.
Things made from the petroleum industry.
Shit burns like it burns really quick like before it used to.
If you use natural products you could go 40 minutes before the
house fully burned like let's say prior to when they started
making all these cheap cheap goods.
Now within 10 minutes a house can be like fully lit up.
Go to go to YouTube, like look at there's some, there's like
videos where people are recording like small fighter and
then did the whole house burns down.
Things like trailers are like 5 minutes and so.
You know, a if the fire doesn't get your seed, if it's on paper,
the water will, because we dumped so much water on the
House, on the houses next door to protect the exteriors.
So if the fire doesn't get your house, the water will.
So yeah, just make sure that you're protecting your seed.
Have backups. Stamp your seeds on titanium.
Honestly, just or anything. Yeah, anything other than paper.
Do not have your seed phrase in paper, in your laundry.
Dirty laundry. Papers a bad idea.
But anyways, Mags, just you
know, if there's someone out there that is still on the fence
about Bitcoin mining being environmentally friendly, what
would you say to someone that has these concerns?
I just, you know, it's. Sometimes I'm I'm like, you
know, Satoshi quote if I don't have, sorry I don't have the
exactly. So I think it's one of those
things where you'll catch up because every day there's new
stories of a different industry using Bitcoin mining to help you
know. So we've got farmers that are
reducing carbon methane from from their farm.
Operation, we have district heating systems and both Europe
and Canada being set up from Bitcoin mining.
So and also like bath houses in in in the US, right, we're
supporting the grid. Like there's so many cases that
if you actually take the time to look into it, you'd realize that
it's happening. You know, but I think they kind
of have that bag over the head or they have some other
misconception that's that's stronger.
But these stories are now starting to be told, right.
You have burned the National Park where Bitcoin mining is
helping save gorillas but also power renewable, you know, set
up microgrids that are renewably funded like this is happening.
You know, El Salvador is setting up geothermal through Bitcoin
mining through the volcano bond. So over time I think those
stories will become completely impossible to ignore.
They'll be all over MSN and. So, so just like, give it some
time. Like, I'm at the point where,
like, you're going to get convinced because you're just
going to get hit from every section by these stories.
Yeah, you can't. You can't.
You can't There you can't. There's no amount of spin,
misrepresentation and BS they'll be able to throw at this for it
to like hide what is going on. I I completely agree with that
statement. I think that's going to happen.
This next having like, I think sailors going to be vindicated,
Bucala is going to be vindicated.
And then I don't know what they're gonna do.
Like it's gonna be undeniable at that point that that just
Bitcoin is just it's just awesome.
Anyways, it's. Funny, in fact, like, maybe not,
because then again, they're Flat Earth.
They're still so. They're always, they'll always
be the people that like, they're in the chat.
They're in the chat right now but but So it's safe to say
Mags, that you're not a fan of green peasing.
Change the code. I don't know, man.
They've done a really nice bit of advertising for us.
So, indirect fan. All right, guys.
Indirect. Fan but yeah like change the
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No, I got him. No, I got him.
All right, guys, you already know the deal.
This is the meme review where you send us memes.
We reviewed them live on the show.
Forgive my green screen, but my computer's about to die, so we
have to switch to my FaceTime camera right now.
Anyways, tweets of the bullets. Memes are the artillery.
We are in an information warrant, as Mags so eloquently
explained to us, even when you show people what's going on,
they're still going to be convinced otherwise.
So continue to ridicule the corporate press, continue to
make the funnies to make your friends laugh, and continue to
get the calls of action out there and spread the Bitcoin
signal. Because that is the only thing
that matters, is that more people start holding Bitcoin.
More people understand why they should be bitcoining and spread
the memes. Publicate the memes guys.
Anyways, 1st meme shouts out to my boy Joe Rogers.
He goes at or he's at under score Joe Rogers on Twitter and
he goes Fresh Market enjoyers. And we talked about this the
other day, I think it was yesterday about Whole Foods how
they're trying to implement the palm readers on their in their
payment mechanisms. You know it's just so much more
convenient. So much better guys.
Like look how crazy it is. You can scan my palm and I can
pay for things. Well, yeah, he he, he's doubled
down on this. And there's the picture of the
girl who just scanned her palm and she's like this.
So cool. And he put the MPC QR code on
the head and the QR scanner is the World Economic Forum.
Do not fall for this, guys. It is Bitcoinered.
It's a slavery. We say this all the time.
OK, The next meme is by Maxie's Club and it goes 481.
Take a good seat. And this is a play on the
classic school bus meme, where the left side is a Fiat enjoyer
and they're sad and they're broken.
Well, we have an angry person here saving in Fiat, literally
looking at a wall because that is what their future will be.
A cage where you look at the back of The Cave and we have the
saving and Bitcoin. We got you guys out there, the
bitcoiners, that just look at the prosperous bright orange
future. And you're so hopeful and
optimistic about where the future is going because you
know, Bitcoin fixes this and it's Bitcoin or slavery.
And we choose Bitcoin. OK, this next meme is by the BTC
Therapist. And it goes.
It's going up. Wait, it's going up forever.
I got. It it's going up forever.
Anyways we got the classic I I think this is Star Trek we got
the Star Trek big brain guys and it goes.
Me when Bitcoin is $1 million and I was right the whole time
and we look at them just big brain energy.
Just like I've been telling you that this is the way and you
need to stack sets. OK this next one is safe, Dean.
And even though this one might be a little meta for you guys,
the the crux of this meme here is what safety says in in the
tweet. Here goes.
I considered writing an article on why bricks delusions about a
new global reserve currency are unworkable, but I think I'm now
only capable of communicating ideas via memes or base.
So this, this is all of us. We can only communicate in memes
after a certain point. Exactly.
He's using the Drake hotline Bling, you know, no Yes
template. And he's got Drake going.
No, read some Austrian economics and it's the BRICS nations.
Or yes, decades of catastrophic monetary experiments trying to
scam each other before realizing the only workable international
neutral currency is Bitcoin. Dude, even.
Even some of the the best Austrian economists that right.
Big long books. Just can get the message across
in memes. This is the power of the memes
guys. OK, the next meme is by the Meme
Factory TM. And do you guys remember growing
up and reading the Snapple facts?
Well look, we have real fact #120 shit coins exist to take
your Bitcoin. This is a real fact because it's
on a Snapple cap guys. OK anyways, this next meme is by
Bitcoin Sapiens, but it's a quote by Max Kaiser and it's an
AI generated warrior with a Bitcoin shield.
And it goes. Bitcoin attracts quiet warriors
and the versus defenders of the greatest ideals.
Max Kaiser Love to hear it. Love to see it.
This is the way guys. And the last one is by our
friend Rd. BTC.
Actually, this is mean factory heavy today I didn't even
realize you guys. You thought that was your money
#banks #bankers #Bitcoin. It goes, we got an MPC Here
goes. I'd like to use my money to buy
Bitcoin. And we got the MPC banker and he
goes, you mean our money? It's not your money if you give
it to a bank. This is why we Bitcoin.
This is why we save in Bitcoin. Anyways, my mean review score
Nico is the same thing. My little yellow plushy.
Hey, but look, my look world of Rusty's in the chat and.
I feel left out. This is my plush.
OK oh, you can get yours at World of Rusty dot com, you
know. Yeah you know it's kind of fake
news that yellow is yellow because look at him he's getting
green screen. So I think this is the the
quintessential dilemma is a tennis ball yellow or green is
now has been formed into is yellow actually yellow or is he
green? I don't know because the green
screens getting them. Anyways, Nico before Well,
actually Mags. What's your score?
Was that your score? The little hoddler.
For all of them, or for a specific one?
For all of them or specific one, whatever.
You want, Yes. The hoddler is my beautiful.
Plushy, plushy, magsy meme. And I am a fan of the coming out
of the light. Yes, coming out of the you know,
the dark cave. What is it?
Plato's cave? Coming to Bitcoin.
But I also have a banana, OK. That's a.
Good one. The 2nd place one crap.
I can't remember what was the IT was either the last or the
second last one. Show them quickly again.
Yeah, I got you. Yeah, yeah.
Show me them. Here we go.
Yes, yes. The money.
Our money. This one If you what radicalized
you the banking system? Like, seriously.
I love that. Awesome.
All right, okay guys. All right, we actually, Nico, we
got a fresh meme score in here guys, and we're gonna start with
this one first and foremost while the other ones come in
here. And also world of Rusty Nico's
green screen is not broken because I tried to verify this
this morning and my green screen also makes yellow go half
invisible. So hey, you know, even the
technology is saying that yellow is green, So I don't know, I
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All right. Next one.
My Apollo 21. I give the memes, my memes.
My Scherner. Heiser.
Shotgun. Mic sign Heiser.
You know what, Opti? No, you got to read the
complicated words from now on. Kaboom.
Maxi UTXO. My meme score is Go on.
What is that goes? Serial Colors, Elaine.
Meme score Greta Greta discovers truth about ESG, becomes a
bitcoiner, loses the braid, Spreads the message.
Autocoin. I give the meme 0% reserve
requirement for banks as of March 2020.
You are the yield. Opt out by Bitcoin all right.
ES gives it everyone trying to remove their chips After
learning about Bitcoin, Elaine 99 likes do it Bitcoiner All
right. Next one is by Opti.
Opti fields Yum. I like the taste of spicy
people. What's Eliminate via child labor
laws to send them to work at tire burning factory to stack
Fort sacks. That is terrible.
So that is Nylas Fields. He's a troll.
All right, next one. My planet Earth scoring the
memes, a bright orange feature for all of us, forever.
And meme scored Norwell Tacos, my yellow plushy knockoff I
bought on the street in Bangkok. The eyes stare straight at
Awesome. Guys, thank you so much for
tuning in to simply Bitcoin Live.
We really, really appreciate it. I want to give a very special
shout out to one of my new favorite bitcoiners.
I'm a super fan. She's a firefighter,
entrepreneur, all this crazy stuff.
Mags, thank you so much for coming on the show today.
Awesome. Coming on.
Thanks. Really, really appreciate it.
Why don't you tell everybody where they could find you on the
interwebs? Yes, on the interwebs I am both
on Noster, but it's a lot easier to find me on Noster from
Twitter where I'm crypto under score mex.
Awesome. Thank you so much Mags for
joining us on Simply Bitcoin Live.
We really appreciate it guys. If you enjoyed the show, you
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I want to give you the results of the poll that we launched
about 53 minutes ago. I asked is Bitcoin Black?
Is the BlackRock ETF good or bad for Bitcoin?
136 votes 50% of you said good. 12% of you said bad and 38% of
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Until tomorrow. Peace out guys.
Love you all. Have a good one.