1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,640 It's all going to zero against Bitcoin. 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:16,360 It's going up forever. You're against Bitcoin. 3 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:25,480 You're against freedom. You're not going to say that 4 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,400 Bitcoin conference in Nashville over the weekend. 5 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,960 It feels like one of those Seminole moments that people are 6 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:31,920 going to be talking about years from now. 7 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,800 My next guest actually played a major role at the conference and 8 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,880 continues to be a passionate advocate dedicated to spreading 9 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:39,560 the word and educating the masses. 10 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,760 Joining me now, Coin Stories podcast host Natalie Brunel. 11 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,200 Natalie, you know, it's so weird because it wasn't long ago 12 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,040 Bitcoin was tumbling, right? It was under 20,000. 13 00:00:49,160 --> 00:00:51,600 Even people who love to said it may go to 10,000. 14 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,520 Could you imagine now, I mean, just not long after that, you're 15 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,160 getting shout outs on X from US senators, sitting US senators 16 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,280 for discussing Bitcoin. It's come a long way in a short 17 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,280 period of time. Yes, it has. 18 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,440 We missed you in Nashville, Charles, because this conference 19 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,720 was truly historic. You had a former U.S. 20 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,840 President telling people not to sell their Bitcoin and people 21 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,000 are really ready for change and a pro Bitcoin administration. 22 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,080 Some of our current leaders have been leading a war on digital 23 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,040 assets. So they need to go because 24 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,880 remember, Bitcoin was created by the people for the people. 25 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,920 It wasn't delivered by Wall Street or Washington DC. 26 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,600 It wasn't promoted by big tech. It emerged from the market to 27 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,280 become the 8th or 9th largest asset in the world. 28 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,040 And now two of the three candidates are lobbying this 29 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,800 community because it's grown into a massive voting bloc and 30 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,400 they're seriously proposing to adopt Bitcoin as a strategic 31 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,560 reserve asset for the US. So this is historic and shows 32 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,840 that Bitcoin is winning. Yo everybody welcome to the 33 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,120 Bitcoin live you're number one source for the peaceful Bitcoin 34 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,280 evolution recovery can use culture magic warfare will be 35 00:01:58,280 --> 00:01:59,920 your guide through the separation of money and say 36 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:02,920 leisures amount sip sit back relax enjoy the ride. 37 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,400 Welcome to the most watched daily Bitcoin live show on 38 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,680 YouTube, Rumble Annex, simply Bitcoin live. 39 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,440 Natalie Burnell coming in hot. But the reason I want to play 40 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:15,640 you guys that clip this morning is that I gotta say it, guys, 41 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,720 the Bitcoin conference, when you had Donald Trump making his 42 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,800 speech, a lot of Bitcoiners very uncomfortable. 43 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,320 He's kept saying crypto. He wasn't exactly dialed in 44 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,360 compared to RFK. RFK definitely went up to him 45 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,160 with his speech, but we definitely broke into the 46 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,560 mainstream. You had Michael Knowles from The 47 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,760 Daily Wire making appearance. You had all of the legacy 48 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,520 corporate media, financial media, and just corporate media 49 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,680 there. They they literally had cameras 50 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,720 to bring to this event because the potential future president 51 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,160 was making a speech there. That is absolutely historic. 52 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,040 Talk about the Overton window shifting, the Overton window 53 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,520 breaking. And even if Donald Trump doesn't 54 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,840 get elected, these ideas are now introduced, right? 55 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,800 The, the, the, and I think the key thing that Donald Trump said 56 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,200 was basically the introduction that they were that the United 57 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:09,440 States government, if he is to get elected, was going to look 58 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:14,000 at Bitcoin as a strategic reserve stockpile. 59 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,720 They were right before reserve asset. 60 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:21,080 So stockpile to be specific, but that is definitely a step in the 61 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,840 right direction. I think RFK as a member of, you 62 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,840 know, as someone who's running as an independent is able to say 63 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,680 things a little bit more radical in terms of the Overton window 64 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,520 for us Bitcoiners is not radical at all. 65 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,280 But remember, RFK doesn't really have a chance of winning 66 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,160 according to the latest poll numbers in the betting odds, 67 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:42,960 Trump does have a chance of winning. 68 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,160 So the fact that we have a mainstream political candidate 69 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,560 that has a high probability of winning the presidency saying 70 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,720 everything he said is a really, really big deal for our 71 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,280 movement. And it's not a coincidence that 72 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:01,560 literally that Monday, the same yesterday Bitcoin that was, you 73 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,760 know, belong to this Treasury Department, they, you know, they 74 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:08,040 seized it from various sources. It's not a coincidence that 75 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:09,360 moved, right? And a lot of people are 76 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,800 speculating that they're they're getting ready to dump it. 77 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,880 And another thing that I got to say is, and then something that 78 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,720 I feel passionate about is that I don't think Bitcoin is a 79 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,320 partisan issue. I think that it was made a 80 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:26,040 partisan issue as soon as this specific administration started 81 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,080 going after the industry. And that created an opportunity 82 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,720 for their political opponents to capitalize on that. 83 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,280 And it's crazy that they're still not changing tune. 84 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,080 In fact, on Monday, they're just like, you know what the Trump 85 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:40,880 says, we're going to make it a strategic reserve. 86 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,320 We're, we're going to sell it right, right before Trump 87 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,320 potentially gets into office. Like it's crazy. 88 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,320 I, I don't believe anything the Democratic Party has to say at 89 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,600 this point. It's kind of put up or shut up 90 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,400 in regards to Bitcoin. We're not a political show, but 91 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,920 it's kind of put up or shut up. You know, Biden is currently in 92 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,960 office. He Biden has the ability to free 93 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:05,560 Ross so he could take that political advantage away from 94 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,880 Trump like they can take a stance and a lot of Senate, I 95 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,440 believe it's seventy members of the Democratic Party was 96 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,040 actually where I actually wrote a letter to the Elizabeth Warren 97 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,000 camp, which they're the camp that's so hostile towards this 98 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,080 industry and they were asking him basically to change tune. 99 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:23,560 They're like, what are you guys doing? 100 00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:26,640 In fact, we did have a member of the Democratic Party that spoke 101 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,440 at the convention. So I hope that keeps going 102 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,960 because Natalie was absolutely right, like Bitcoin is a money 103 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,760 by the people for the people. And this Bitcoin conference, I 104 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,120 think really represented the first time that our movement and 105 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,560 the ethos of our movement started to penetrate into the 106 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,280 mainstream consciousness. And I think the best is yet to 107 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:49,360 come. This is just getting started. 108 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,080 One of the things that Trump said, his speech was hilarious, 109 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:53,480 by the way. I highly recommend watching it. 110 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,120 One of the things you guys are going to have so much energy. 111 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,200 You guys are going to say no much no more energy. 112 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,880 Like it's so funny. But one of the things he said 113 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,920 was that the industry was still in its infancy. 114 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,600 And that's something that I completely agree. 115 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,280 And I think that's something that gets lost on everybody, 116 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,560 right? In other news as well, Michael 117 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,000 Saylor's keynote was absolutely phenomenal. 118 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,560 The way that he broke it down into various sections about how 119 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,520 he described that. Look, if you want to maintain 120 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,680 your purchasing power, Bitcoin is the superior asset, real 121 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,520 estate is inferior, bonds are inferior, equities are inferior. 122 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:32,000 He broke out, he broke down the reasons as to why that was, But 123 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,600 one of the things that I want to talk about today was he was 124 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,960 doing some price predictions, which is very interesting. 125 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,680 And he laid out three cases, The bear case, which about roughly 126 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,880 $3,000,000 per Bitcoin by 2045. The base case, which is about 127 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:51,800 $13 million Bitcoin by 2045 and the bull case, which is $49 128 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:57,120 million Bitcoin by 2045. And again, this isn't just, you 129 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,000 know, some average Joe or some just random Bitcoin Twitter. 130 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,920 And on this is, you know, the, you know, the chairman of a 131 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,760 publicly traded Bitcoin publicly traded company, you know, saying 132 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,240 those things. And I think his logic is sound. 133 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,920 And for anyone that finds those ideas radical, I think it's a 134 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,040 good idea to look into the past, right? 135 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:22,160 If I would have told you back in 2014 that Bitcoin was going to 136 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:28,320 be sitting pretty at $66,254 today, on July 30th, 2024, you 137 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:29,600 would have laughed me out of the room. 138 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,240 But if you knew that information, I think you would 139 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,920 have done everything in your power just to go all in Bitcoin 140 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,760 in 2014. You would have just worked. 141 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,160 You would have just done everything in your power to 142 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:40,800 accumulate as much Bitcoin as possible. 143 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,440 So I think if Bitcoin continues in that trend, even if it does a 144 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,040 10th of what it did in the past, you're still gonna be extremely 145 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:53,640 happy with your decision to save in Bitcoin versus saving in Fiat 146 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,880 versus saving in other traditional kind of investment 147 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:58,880 options, really. So anyways, it's gonna be a 148 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:00,840 great show. And also we have a very special 149 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:02,960 guest, also someone I consider a friend as well. 150 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:04,840 We have the CEO of Thunder Funder. 151 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,520 The funder did an amazing presentation at the Bitcoin 152 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,600 conference. And Thunder Funder essentially 153 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,000 gives the ability for the everyday person, right, to 154 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,360 invest in Bitcoin companies, which is extremely exciting. 155 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,640 Anyways, Mike, thank you so much for coming on the show. 156 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:24,560 All right, let's have some fun. It's an honor to be hanging with 157 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,680 you. I consider you a friend as well, 158 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:31,320 even if you've taken many of my stats and many poker games, but 159 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,039 I don't hold it against you. You are definitely a friend. 160 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:37,320 Thanks for for hanging with me and letting me share the big 161 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,799 news about Thunder Funder. Absolutely. 162 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:43,080 And it, and it's, it's, it's an incredible opportunity for you 163 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,440 guys as well in the audience. Like imagine if you're able to 164 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,000 get into like the equivalent would be like an Amazon or 165 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,240 Facebook and you were actually able to invest in those 166 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,520 companies in the early stage, right? 167 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:57,520 Mike's platform that he's building. 168 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,480 I've been watching it closely, even though I might not 169 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,040 understand a lot of those things because I'm a media minded 170 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,440 person. He's I know he's been putting 171 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,480 his heart and soul into really building this. 172 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,840 And it gives you an opportunity for you guys to invest in early 173 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,840 stage startups, early stage Bitcoin startups, which could 174 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,360 potentially become an incredible opportunity. 175 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,800 So I'm really excited to hear more about that during the 176 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,240 culture segment. You want to bring up my 177 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,920 legendary Co host Boo filled in for me yesterday Opti man Opti 178 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,840 is an absolute workhorse and I do wanna give a shout out for 179 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,960 him filling in for me yesterday. And Opti bro, that news desk, I 180 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,240 don't know if you guys saw it. I think we uploaded it over the 181 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,600 weekend, but shout out to the Bitcoin Magazine crew, David 182 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:44,360 Bailey, Mike Germano, Shane McShane and Pete Russo for 183 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,800 allowing a simply Bitcoin takeover 2 days in a row at the 184 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,160 Bitcoin conference, which was, you know, absolutely incredible. 185 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,520 So shout out to you guys and shout out to Opti. 186 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,760 I mean Opti bro, like, how'd it feel, dude? 187 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:57,680 I mean, I think, I think you gave a shout out to. 188 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,640 I think you, you gave a shout out to your mom. 189 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,440 Hey, you know, I'm a mother's boy. 190 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,800 I I'm unashamedly a mama's boy. And of course I had to give a 191 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,920 shout out to my mom. She's the only reason why I'm 192 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,560 here, man. But yeah, hey, Nika, I think the 193 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:13,240 funny, the nice part about this is you tried to give me the week 194 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,680 off this week and then you're like, wait, actually I need you 195 00:10:15,680 --> 00:10:17,840 to come on the show. Yeah, I need you to host. 196 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,160 So good thing I told you. No, guys, I do this for you 197 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:22,520 guys. I'm like, no, I got to make the 198 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:23,360 show. We got to make the show. 199 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:24,560 And then Nico hits me up in the morning. 200 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:28,080 He's like, oh, actually sorry, bro, I'm not going to make the 201 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:29,800 show. So we got to make it happen. 202 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,480 But yeah, man, it was great. I I love the Bitcoin mag team. 203 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,400 It was an honor to take over the news desk. 204 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,680 You and I had a blast. It felt like a live simply 205 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:40,440 Bitcoin show on the news desk. So that was great, man. 206 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,120 Yeah, it was, it was incredibly, it was incredibly a fun time and 207 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,720 and it's such a historic conference and actually I'll, 208 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,960 I'll, I'll throw a little tidbit for you guys. 209 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:54,840 Simply Bitcoins 4th 4th anniversary was July 27th, the 210 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,480 day of Donald Trump's speech at the Bitcoin conference. 211 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,800 So that was simply his 4th anniversary. 212 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,160 It was just, it's just crazy how all the timing of all that stuff 213 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,040 works. 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At the time of recording the 263 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:41,160 Bitcoin price is 66,303 $66,300 sats per dollar 1508 Block 264 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:49,760 height 854,683 blocks to having 195,317 having estimate March 265 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:55,080 20th, 2028 Total Lightning Network capacity 5061 BTC 266 00:13:55,280 --> 00:14:00,160 Capacity value 335 million U.S. dollars realized monetary 267 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:05,400 inflation 1.49% market capitalization 1.34 trillion 268 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:10,560 Bitcoin versus gold market cap 7.89%. 269 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:13,880 In the grand scheme of things, we are just getting started. 270 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,360 I truly believe that. I think it was actually Donald 271 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:20,280 Trump that during his speech he want talk about the Overton 272 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,680 window shifting. Talk about the Overton window 273 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,160 breaking. Donald Trump even said he's like 274 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,400 this is going to take the this is going to take the market cap 275 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,000 of gold. You know how crazy that is for, 276 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,240 you know, an ex president, potential future president, 277 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,960 we'll find out in November say that Bitcoin is going to 278 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:40,280 overtake the market cap of gold. Like that is absolutely freaking 279 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,160 insane. Anyways, the thing that I wanted 280 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,000 to talk about today, we'll play this video and then we'll 281 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,720 discuss it with the panel is Michael Saylor making his bowl 282 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:52,320 case for a $49 million Bitcoin by 2045. 283 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,560 I got to say, holy cow, that is, I feel like every Bitcoin 284 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,640 conference it's, you know, it's more bullish. 285 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,600 Now, of course, Michael Saylor, his company, they hold over 286 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,120 250,000 Bitcoin. So it kind of makes sense, you 287 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,200 know, as to why he would say this and you know, the 288 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,000 incentives. I gotta say it's hyper bullish. 289 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:15,360 But if you pay attention to his logic, his thought process, it 290 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,200 almost feels like a YouTube clickbait title, bro. 291 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,840 But it's not like he actually said this. 292 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,040 He actually said that this is one of his, you know, his bull 293 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,600 cases. Now 2045 is, you know, it's, 294 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,800 it's about 21 years from now, right? 295 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,280 So it's, you know, it's, it's not around the corner. 296 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,360 But at the same time, I mean $49 million Bitcoin, you get 297 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,280 1,000,000 bit you get one Bitcoin right now at 66,000. 298 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,960 You could potentially be worth $49 million in 21 years. 299 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:45,720 I mean, that's not a bad deal at all. 300 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,400 Most people don't even make close to that amount of money. 301 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,040 Anyways, I'm going to play this video. 302 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:54,560 We'll talk about it. But what's happening? 303 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,400 Here's my macro Bitcoin forecast. 304 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,400 It's 21 years, goes out to the year 2045. 305 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,840 What do I think will happen? Well, I've got a bear case and a 306 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,600 bull case. But what I think will happen is 307 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:16,400 that 55% ARR goes to 50 percent, 454035302520. 308 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,080 It's between 50 and 20. It'll gradually decelerate till 309 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,240 it's growing about twice as fast as the S&P index. 310 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:30,000 And at that rate, Bitcoins $13 million a coin in the year 2045. 311 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:32,400 Thirteen million. It could be. 312 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,120 It could be a 3 million bear case. 313 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,480 It could be a 49 million bull case. 314 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,480 But what is Bitcoin? 7% of the world's assets. 315 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,880 Then what about the rest of the assets? 316 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,800 Well, I actually think that AIS and technology are going to 317 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,640 revolutionize tech. We had no companies worth a 318 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,360 trillion. Then we had a bunch of trillion 319 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,080 dollar companies. You're going to see more because 320 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,360 you're going to see companies with 100,000 AIS and no 321 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,840 employees and they're going to do the work of companies that 322 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:06,319 used to have 100,000 employees. You're going to see mega corps 323 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,800 develop, you know, shipping robots and self driving cars and 324 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:14,520 a company that gives a personal physician to a billion people 325 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,800 without any doctors on the payroll. 326 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:21,280 So clearly equity is going to grow fast, gold's going to get 327 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,760 demonetized, land will be less monetized. 328 00:17:25,599 --> 00:17:28,520 But look, here's the future in 2045 doesn't look that 329 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,040 revolutionary. It looks like today it's just. 330 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:38,560 I mean, 7% of the global reserve global assets for, you know, 331 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,120 those, those crazy that I would say what we perceive as those 332 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:46,560 crazy predictions today. I don't think that's so absurd. 333 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,360 And, and the reason that I say that is because I think, you 334 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:51,760 know, and this is what Saylor said in in the beginning of his 335 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,200 presentation, he did an excellent job describing it. 336 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:59,120 Like Bitcoin is a superior asset compared to real estate. 337 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:01,600 Real estate, you have to pay property taxes, you have to pay 338 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,200 maintenance. You know, it, it kind of, you 339 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,840 know, chews into it, right? You know bond and he was making 340 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,800 the case of like what's the lifespan of this, right? 341 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,480 The, the, the example that he gave for real estate was 342 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,840 basically a property in Miami Beach, a $10 million property in 343 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,560 Miami Beach. And over 10 years you're going 344 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,760 to have to pull up just in property taxes the equivalent of 345 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,240 that property, right? Or in maintenance fees and all 346 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,320 that stuff. Bonds, he gave it a lifespan 347 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,080 about 30 years. Equities, I think he gave it a 348 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:35,960 lifespan. So he was giving lifespans to 349 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,960 these specific assets. But, but essentially, if you put 350 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,440 Bitcoin to self custody, I think the, the number that he gave it 351 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,720 was like 10,000 years, which is just absurd. 352 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,680 Even custody Bitcoin was like 1000 years or so. 353 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,960 So yes, I think it's, I think it's inevitable as people start 354 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,560 to realize like, especially like if you're like a Chinese citizen 355 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,520 or you know, these citizens where you live in a country that 356 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,640 has like tight capital controls and they, they don't just, they 357 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,040 just don't want you to leave with the money. 358 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,360 Like what a lot of what a lot of those people do is that they'll 359 00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:09,720 go overseas and they'll start buying properties in like 360 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,920 Manhattan and Miami and those apartments will just like remain 361 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,600 empty. And they're doing that just to 362 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,840 maintain their purchasing power and just to take their money 363 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,880 out. But now that you have a 364 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,480 technology, now that you have a tool where you can literally 365 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,720 write down a 12 or 24 word seed phrase and you can take all of 366 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,640 that wealth with you and you don't have to pay taxes on it. 367 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,880 There's no maintenance fees. I mean, you might have to 368 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,920 upgrade a hardware wallet a couple times, but that that's 369 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,880 miniscule in the grand scheme of things. 370 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:43,200 Like technically, if you die and you don't tell anyone where your 371 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,600 private keys are like those that that money isn't moving till the 372 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,800 end of time. Like what else could you say 373 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,640 that with? You really can't say that with. 374 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:56,480 So is it too, is it that absurd to think that a superior asset 375 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,680 like Bitcoin with absolute scarcity, nothing else has 376 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,000 absolute scarcity. Is it really absurd to think 377 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,760 that it might be worth 7% of the total global assets? 378 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,920 Like is that really, is that really that absurd? 379 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:11,680 I don't think that that's absurd. 380 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:16,040 And if that's not absurd, then just the base case is $13 381 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,280 million. I mean, and what, what are we 382 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,600 sitting at 66,000 right now? Like you'll be worth more than 383 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,160 10 million if you're able to get your hands on one Bitcoin right 384 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:27,400 now. I mean, like that's a pretty 385 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:28,600 good effing deal. I don't know. 386 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,720 What do you think, Moz? Yeah, I mean, to be a whole 387 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,000 coiner, that's the goal, right? It's the goal of a lot of 388 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,440 people. But you know, I think my biggest 389 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,000 regret and I've been in Bitcoin for quite a while is not turning 390 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,720 on just a daily, even just a silly buy at any point in time 391 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,880 and just never turning it off. You know, $1010.00 a day even at 392 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:53,680 recently, whatever it went down to, was it 3000 or $45110 a day 393 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,640 with a $3000 Bitcoin, which is not that long ago. 394 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,240 You look like a genius right now. 395 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,520 And just to go back in time and actually know what was going to 396 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,680 happen and what will continue to happen and think that for every 397 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:10,040 $10 you were putting in then was pretty much a day's wage or more 398 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,800 than a day's wage for more most people when you look at where 399 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,360 we're at now. So, you know, the DCA is the way 400 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:18,320 to go. I know you, you preach, preach 401 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,320 on that and saving in Bitcoin and all we can do is the best we 402 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,160 can do. And you know, if that, if those 403 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:25,920 numbers come true, it's going to be insane. 404 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,160 I mean, Can you imagine somebody with two Bitcoin right now 405 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,640 that's maybe in the middle class or upper middle class? 406 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,880 And that's a lot of their savings and they took a risk and 407 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,000 all of a sudden they're sitting on $20 million. 408 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,880 If this thing does what we all think it's going to do, I mean, 409 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,400 it's just super exciting. Absolutely. 410 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,480 I mean, it's power back to the people. 411 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,280 It's incredibly exciting and I think it's incredible 412 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,720 opportunity for everybody. And I think it's important to 413 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,120 look at the past if you want to have an idea of where the future 414 00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:56,760 is going. And what's the line Opti? 415 00:21:57,120 --> 00:22:00,400 What can be unburdened by what has been? 416 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:05,120 Yeah, don't be burdened by what has. 417 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:08,040 I don't even know how to apply to that, but you guys get the 418 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,560 general gist of it. Opti, what's your take on this? 419 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,000 Is this hyper bullish? Is I mean, bro, this is like 420 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,760 this is when I heard that I was like, holy shit, like holy cow, 421 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,320 like that is extremely bullish. But I mean, the way that he 422 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,720 explains it in the logic that he's using is very sound. 423 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,560 So it's not like, you know, like click bait YouTube videos, duck 424 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,000 face, like, you know, crazy shit. 425 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,440 Like he actually, you know, he's making these three cases. 426 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,800 And even if it's the bear case, like let's just say it's the 427 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,080 bear case, right? Let's just say doesn't get to 13 428 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,560 million. Let's just say it gets to 3 429 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,760 million, right? Personally, it'd be a little bit 430 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,200 disappointed, but let's just say that's the case, right? 431 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,120 Let's take the ultra conservative route. 432 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,800 That's still an excellent, that's still an excellent 433 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,800 return. I mean $3,000,000 for 66,000 434 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,760 like that's, that's an amazing return. 435 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,720 You have more experience than me and, and you know, like the 436 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,000 investment side of things. Where else could you get that 437 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,400 type of return? Other than investing in Bitcoin 438 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,160 startups, of course. Well, it's true, there aren't 439 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,360 really any places where you can get that kind of appreciation, 440 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,960 which was one of the things that got me interested in Angel 441 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,160 investing in the 1st place is once you start seeing some of 442 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,960 the returns that have happened over time, you know, and not a 443 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,560 meme stock or a shit coin for lack of a better words. 444 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,920 Investing in early stage companies is definitely 445 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,720 something that you know where you can get a tremendous crazy 446 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:36,520 return. But. 447 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,560 You can also lose all your money, which we know we're not 448 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,720 going to do in Bitcoin, right? So it's not a substitute for it, 449 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,280 it's just a way to complement it. 450 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,200 Of course, like and it's all about risk, right? 451 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,560 Like, you know, if if you're, it's all about like, look, if 452 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,800 you're willing to risk, you know, a certain percentage, a 453 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,000 certain small percentage of your portfolio, knowing that there is 454 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,240 potential upside, you know, it might be worthwhile to you. 455 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,240 Opti what? What's your take on this? 456 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,080 Yeah, so when I heard this speech, I literally, I literally 457 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,720 have to like double take. I'm like, wait, you know, 3 458 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,280 million. I'm like, that's kind of 459 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,480 bearish. Like 13 million in 21 years. 460 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,120 You're like, yeah, that seems about right. 461 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:17,200 And then he just drops like 49 million bomb on us and you're 462 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,880 just like, wait, really? Like I know, I know we get 463 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,040 stupidly bullish and I always tell you guys like stable 464 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,600 tarded, this is how we win is is by being hopeful about the 465 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,680 future. But even for us Bitcoiners that 466 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,960 are extremely bullish, 49,000,000 by 21 years from now, 467 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,880 it it still seems absurd. But again, if you were in 468 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,040 Bitcoin a long time ago, you're buying Bitcoin at $1000, you 469 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,120 probably would have said that 66,000 seems absurd. 470 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:46,840 I remember when I got into Bitcoin, everyone was saying 471 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,360 like $10,000 was like the moon case. 472 00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:52,360 And now we're just constantly moving the price up higher. 473 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,080 But yeah, like Muzz was saying, you know, for average people of 474 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,120 average means, like all of us that hang out on the show, if 475 00:24:58,120 --> 00:25:01,520 you can get your hands on a coin and hold that for the long term, 476 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,320 like it's going to be life changing money. 477 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,040 And this is what we always say here on the show. 478 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,800 It's like none of us are bullish enough because we're, you know, 479 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,120 I, I know as much as I always say, we're playing hungry Hippo 480 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:12,600 with Bitcoin and we want to acquire as much Bitcoin as 481 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,800 possible. But I think we underestimate how 482 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,680 much our purchasing power will increase in the next decade or 483 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,000 two decades or three decades. And it really reminds me of that 484 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,160 one quote where it's like you overestimate what you can do in 485 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,880 two years, but you underestimate what you can do in 10 years. 486 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,200 And I think that's what we're all kind of doing here with 487 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,960 Bitcoin. Remember the the law of big 488 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,520 numbers, like humans can't understand big numbers. 489 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,640 And I think where we're going is going to be, you know, what's 490 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,040 what can be is going to be unburdened by what has been. 491 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,480 And so this. Is a good line for Bitcoin bro 492 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,520 it. Really is we're stealing that 493 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,040 one, but I know a lot of us Bitcoiners are looking at the 494 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:55,760 past previous cycles in Bitcoin and being like, oh, diminishing 495 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,400 returns. Oh, Bitcoin's not going to go as 496 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,640 far and as high as we think it will be like you guys are being 497 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,360 over bullish. What can be exactly? 498 00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:05,720 That's the point. That's the point of this is that 499 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,400 like, I still fundamentally believe unburdened by what has 500 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,680 been, yes, I fundamentally believe that we have still seen 501 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,640 a very small percentage on the adoption scale. 502 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,800 And if people are bearish out there, they really just don't 503 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,160 understand how many people aren't on planet Earth and how 504 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,200 much capital can actually get into Bitcoin. 505 00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:30,520 So as much as $49 million in 21 years sounds like a ludicrous 506 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,440 prediction. At least we got 1A price 507 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,200 prediction and a time prediction. 508 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,640 So only time will tell whether this is correct or whether this 509 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,360 is just some opium clickbait here. 510 00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:42,400 But hey, it's going up forever, Laura. 511 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,960 So, you know, Infinity divided by 21 million. 512 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,480 Now we're seeing the game theory kick in and everyone is starting 513 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,160 to realize they need some Bitcoin. 514 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,720 So hey, what can be unburdened by what has been Nico? 515 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,720 Exactly, exactly. All right, everybody looks at 516 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:56,760 the news. Lots to talk about. 517 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,920 The Daily News. I want to give a shout out to 518 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,280 our sponsor, Foundation Devices. 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You know, not only did Trump 539 00:28:26,170 --> 00:28:32,200 promise to, you know, not only did Trump promise to free Ross 540 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,800 again, he doubled down on that promise, you know, promised to 541 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,960 fire Gary Genser, which the crowd went wild. 542 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,160 It like, surprised him a little bit. 543 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,160 He's like, whoa, I'm going to say that again. 544 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,240 I'm going to fire Gary Genser. Everyone's like, you know, he 545 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,120 obviously promised to, you know, leave the industry alone. 546 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,200 He kept saying how everyone's going to get rich, which was 547 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,320 nice. And I think he took credit for 548 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,120 the price going up at one point, which I found that interesting 549 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,800 as well. But yeah, I think a lot of 550 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,520 people were just a bit surprised just because they've never been 551 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,640 to, they've never seen a Trump speech before. 552 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:16,680 I think also a lot of people were a bit a bit like they were 553 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,680 they wanted more. And I think the reason they 554 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:23,000 wanted more is because JFK just went absolutely hard in the 555 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,880 paint. Like what JFK did was insane. 556 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,800 And compared to RF KS speech, Trump's speech was a bit 557 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,600 underwhelming. Like RFK set the bar extremely 558 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,040 high and Trump did not match it. But it's important like for 559 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,200 everyone to understand. Like, it's a lot easier for RFK 560 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,320 to promise policies outside the Overton window as an independent 561 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,240 candidate. And Trump's obviously tied to a 562 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,560 major political party. I still think that Trump's 563 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,400 speech was definitely a step in the right direction. 564 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,960 It was absolutely historic. And it's going to be a major win 565 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,560 for Bitcoiners and the Bitcoin industry in the United States if 566 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,680 he gets elected. But I think really the huge news 567 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,200 out of that entire speech and he really like left this tidbit 568 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,480 towards the end was announcing that his administration wouldn't 569 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:14,040 see, wouldn't sell any more Bitcoin and they would see 570 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:20,120 Bitcoin as a one step short of strategic asset, basically a 571 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,840 strategic stockpile. Now, here's the difference 572 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:30,000 between RFK and Trump is that RFK could, and you know, he, he 573 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,400 did, our administrator is going to buy 4 million Bitcoin, we're 574 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,760 going to put Bitcoin strategic reserve asset, we're going to 575 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,920 acquire all this Bitcoin, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. 576 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,600 But everyone has to remember that would be an executive 577 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,000 order, right? Which means that once RFK were 578 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,960 to leave office, any administration after him would 579 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,080 be able to walk that back. So actually that needs to be 580 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,640 codified into law. And that's why shortly after 581 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,880 Trump made his speech, Senator Cynthia Lemus, the Bitcoin 582 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:04,160 senator, went on stage and he said, here's the bill that would 583 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:09,040 make Bitcoin a strategic reserve asset into law so that you 584 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,920 couldn't walk it back as an administration. 585 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,720 Also, she also introduced a Bitcoin acquisition strategy up 586 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,040 to $1 million to pay off the country's debt. 587 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,840 So I love the way that they did it politically, was very savvy. 588 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,440 It was it was very interesting. And it's the way that things 589 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,080 should be done, right? Because if you actually want to 590 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,080 effectuate change, you have to do it through the legislative 591 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,520 process rather than through the executive branch, because the 592 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,360 executive branch only has so much power, right? 593 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,960 So I think it was historic and I think initially I was a bit 594 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,640 disappointed like a lot of other Bitcoiners because clearly RFK 595 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,080 one up Trump. But we have to be realistic and 596 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,560 we have to remember RFK is running as an as an independent 597 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,080 and Trump is running as a mainstream Republican. 598 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,480 Also, a lot of the things that RFK said were just completely 599 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,680 radical, like they would be viewed as completely right and 600 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,440 the media would just, they already hate Trump. 601 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,640 They would just run with this, right. 602 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,960 So very, very interesting. But I don't want to talk about 603 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,120 that because I believe Opti talked about that yesterday. 604 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,520 What I do want to talk about is something that really, really is 605 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,360 important for me, which is this idea that Bitcoin is for 606 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,680 everyone. It should not be a partisan 607 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,920 issue and I truly believe that the current Democratic Party 608 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,120 does not represent the will of their constituents. 609 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,200 Now, it's not black and white. Obviously there was members of 610 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,520 the of the Democratic Party, one of them being ROH Khanna that 611 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,520 you know that he's he spoke some some pretty good things about 612 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:45,840 the industry. I have a clip right here. 613 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,200 But if we don't have Bitcoin, if we don't have crypto currencies, 614 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,520 we're going to seed leadership in the financial innovation of 615 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,840 the 21st century. Why would we do that? 616 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,640 Why? We need to be the leaders. 617 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,320 This is a payment that's going to be cheaper. 618 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,760 It's going to be faster. It's going to have the ability 619 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:10,280 to move a few cents across the world without the fees. 620 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,600 It's going to make us more connected in a global society. 621 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,040 I mean, all the Democrats who preach that we don't want to be 622 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,520 isolationist. Well, isn't rejecting crypto 623 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,240 currencies and Bitcoin being isolationist because the rest of 624 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,600 the world is using it? So this is actually connecting 625 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,520 to the rest of the world. So the conference was saying, 626 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,920 you know, let's be let America lead when it comes to the 627 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,800 instruments of financial innovation. 628 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,840 And you have the Fed payment now, Fed now, and you have Zelda 629 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,680 with the banks. I don't want a monopoly of the 630 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,200 Fed and the banks deciding how to have instantaneous payments. 631 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,480 Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies are competitive alternatives so that 632 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,040 we don't have monopoly power. I thought the Democrats were 633 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,360 opposed to monopoly power. So I mean, I think he's spot on, 634 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,040 right? And I think that's just common 635 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,200 sense and that, again, he's not a Republican like it's a 636 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,040 Democrat. So this is what I've been 637 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,480 saying, like this should not be a partisan issue. 638 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,080 The current administrative administration made it as such. 639 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,360 And they should really be paying attention because like even with 640 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,719 their own live stream numbers, like here is Vice President 641 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,679 Harris delivering a keynote and mind you, is Vice President 642 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:23,480 Harris is going to be running for president. 643 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:26,199 About 822 people are watching that. 644 00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:29,679 We currently have more people watching simply Bitcoin right 645 00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:33,520 now and compare that to the Bitcoin Magazine live stream had 646 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:38,600 56,171 people watching live and that's just on YouTube, by the 647 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,320 way, on Twitter was much higher than that. 648 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,199 So just to kind of give you an idea between the two and by the 649 00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:47,440 way, Ro Connor, I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly, 650 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,960 wasn't the only one to feel that way. 27 other Democratic 651 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,440 politicians signed a letter to the DNC and to the and to 652 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,600 Elizabeth Warren to end the anti Bitcoin policy. 653 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,360 So I don't know if I'll have time to read this entire thing, 654 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,280 but I'll get to some of it. Chair Harrison and prospective 655 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,880 presidential candidates, we representing a range of 656 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,320 Democratic officials, candidates for the House and members of 657 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,520 Congress right to urge you to take a forward-looking approach 658 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,920 to digital assets and blockchain technology. 659 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,320 The area holds immense potential for American innovation, 660 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,400 economic growth and financial inclusion. 661 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,480 Representing the emerging stance of the Democratic Party in the 662 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,560 United States, leaders such as the Senate Majority Leader Chuck 663 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:32,440 Schumer, Speaker Amerita Nancy, Nancy Pelosi and majority of 664 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,800 House Democratic leadership have recently supported pro digital 665 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,120 asset legislation. However, there is a public 666 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,040 perception that the party holds a negative viewpoint on digital 667 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,600 assets largely due to the current SC CS approach to these 668 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,560 transformative technologies. We believe that the previous 669 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,360 hostility does not reflect our party's progressive, 670 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,320 forward-looking and inclusive values. 671 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,360 A refresh leader of the ticket represents an opportunity to 672 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,000 change that perception. I completely agree. 673 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,400 Such a great opportunity for them to step in and say, you 674 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,720 know what, like we're going to end this. 675 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,480 And you know what they did everybody. 676 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,880 Here's Mike Germano, president of Bitcoin magazine. 677 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,320 Well, now the game begins. Already working on FOIA requests 678 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,800 will take months to get to the truth. 679 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,960 This is a direct reaction to the Bitcoin conference and they want 680 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,960 us to send a message. What did they send? 681 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,520 What did they say? U.S. government split the $2 682 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,480 billion worth of Bitcoin into two separate addresses, 10,000 683 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:33,920 BTC and 19 thousand 19,800 BTC. And this happened Monday, the 684 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,080 day after the Bitcoin conference, the day after or a 685 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,040 couple days after Donald Trump promised that if you were to get 686 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,680 elected president, he wouldn't sell any of the Bitcoin that the 687 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,920 US government currently has in custody. 688 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,800 So what I got to say is very simple, like it's very easy to 689 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,920 talk. Actions are expensive and you 690 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,600 know, I I appreciate Congressman Ro Khanna I I appreciate those 691 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,080 members of the Democratic Party that wrote that letter. 692 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,680 But currently I see operation choke point 2.0. 693 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,800 I say I see the proposed Bitcoin mining ban. 694 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,960 I see Bitcoin wallets just exiting the country Phoenix 695 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,840 wallet wallet of satoshi. Why because of the regulatory 696 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,600 environment. I see the a samurai wallet guys 697 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,800 get arrested. I saw Roger Verg get arrested. 698 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,240 So like, forgive me if I don't believe you. 699 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:26,320 Like I don't believe what they're saying. 700 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,800 I think it's very easy to, you know, go through Mark Cuban and 701 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,080 say, hey, you know, Democratic members are meeting with the 702 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,080 Bitcoin industry representatives, blah, blah, 703 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,000 blah. It's very easy to say that what, 704 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,640 when push comes to shove, time after time they've shown 705 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:46,360 hostility towards the industry. So anyways, here's Francis 706 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,000 Pulio, CEO of Bowl Bitcoin. He says we may be witnessing the 707 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,120 first instance of a power struggle with an incumbent 708 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,160 government leveraging its control over a national private 709 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,800 keys as a measure to harm the incoming new government. 710 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,680 I'm here for it. That's a really good take. 711 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,880 Another take as well. No, I think that's the last take 712 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,640 anyways. But the point is, is that look, 713 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,600 they have they have an opportunity. 714 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,040 The Democratic Party right now, currently they hold the 715 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,560 executive office. Joe Biden has the privilege, has 716 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,800 the ability, has the power to free Ross right now. 717 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,800 They have the power to just do a 180 show everyone. 718 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,400 They had the power to go to the conference and, you know, take 719 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,720 that political advantage away from Donald Trump. 720 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,560 It's 50 million voters. And by the way, these voters 721 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,840 don't lean left or they don't lean right. 722 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,680 I Dan saying in the chat, big mistake for the US government 723 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:39,600 selling. It's Bitcoin. 724 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,080 I said this to Sailor. I think it's absolutely crazy 725 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,640 that they're selling. They're selling something that 726 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,840 is absolutely scarce for something that they can just 727 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,160 create out of thin air. That is absolutely insane. 728 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,440 That is insanity. That is crazy. 729 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,480 I think that's what happens when your your brain is on Fiat. 730 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,800 So anyways, I don't want this to become a partisan issue. 731 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,920 It worries me a little bit what happens if Donald Trump doesn't 732 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,600 win the election? I think that let me Donald Trump 733 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,600 warned it like he said that during the speech. 734 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,600 He's like, they're going to go after the industry if I don't 735 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,760 win the election and they're not showing me otherwise. 736 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,520 They're walking back their words a little bit, but their actions 737 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,120 are not being walked back at all. 738 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,720 Muzz, as a Bitcoin entrepreneur that is based in the US, does 739 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,160 you know the political environment? 740 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,080 Like what are your take? What are your what's your take 741 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,360 on the Bitcoin conference? What happened And what's your 742 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,000 take on this? Looks like it's becoming a 743 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,680 partisan issue. What's your take? 744 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,000 OK, so I mean take on the conference, I mean, it was 745 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,040 amazing, right? I mean, we can talk about all 746 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,400 that. You know, we had a Satoshi 747 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:47,200 Rakamoto Sophie saying it was so much fun as far as the the 748 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,160 political effect on the industry. 749 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,640 You know, the scene at the end of the movie where there's just 750 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,880 the dead bodies everywhere and some have survived, you know, 751 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,280 and it's like your camp is just is just a fiery blaze. 752 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,560 That's pretty much where it's at now after. 753 00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:05,520 What we've just gone through here with the current 754 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,520 administration, it's just been nearly impossible. 755 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:15,640 Every roadblock and just not wanting to see you succeed has 756 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,480 been really the strategy with Operation Choke .2 Point OA. 757 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,200 Lot of our companies with Lightning Ventures, you know, 758 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,120 they're trying to get live here, they're trying to get MTLS, 759 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,560 they're trying to launch innovative card products, 760 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:34,440 lending products, wallets, and just at every turn, they're just 761 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,120 trying to stop you and be unsupportive. 762 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,800 It's holding back innovation, it's holding back the industry. 763 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,120 And quite frankly, it's a bunch of horseshit, really. 764 00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:49,880 But but everyone's looking forward to a change, right? 765 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,440 A change in the guard. The whole thing about the, you 766 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,520 know, moving the coins to spite Trump, I mean, how stupid can 767 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,600 they be? You guys beat this to the horse 768 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,400 already. But oh, my gosh. 769 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,120 I mean, are they just trying to lose votes? 770 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,640 Are they trying to alienate themselves from this entire 771 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,840 group? You know, it was a packed room. 772 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,840 They wouldn't let another person in there. 773 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,440 A lot of enthusiasm and energy. They have to have seen this. 774 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,000 You know, supposedly David Bailey had that tweet. 775 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,360 You know, he invited Kamala or whatever. 776 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,280 That would have quite frankly, been terrible. 777 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,680 But, you know, and then they go and pull a move like this. 778 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,160 It's like, are they trying? I mean, are they trying to upset 779 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,480 this group of people, which I think is a lot larger than they 780 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,040 estimate? 100% like it. 781 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,840 It's, it's incredibly short sighted. 782 00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:40,320 And again, it's, it's like, look, you had the Democratic 783 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:43,000 representative saying it there like, it's like this is 784 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,280 inclusive, right? Which is, you know, progressive, 785 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,040 a progressive cause. And it's like Bitcoin is money 786 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,960 by the people for the people, like Natalie said. 787 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,680 And I would say Bitcoin is money for the lower middle classes 788 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,520 that get the most affected by the ravages of inflation, you 789 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,120 know, which are supposedly the people that, you know, the 790 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,200 Democratic Party is supposed to be representing. 791 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,640 And I'm, again, I'm not saying it's a monolith, but like, you 792 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,800 know, the RNC, the Republican, the, the Republican Party has 793 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,600 taken a public stance on the, on the industry. 794 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,640 They said they're protect the right to self custody, the 795 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,400 protect the right to mind the Democratic Party. 796 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,280 Clearly there's divisions internally, but the leadership 797 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,800 of the Democratic has taken a very public stance. 798 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,720 They might be saying stuff, but their actions are showing 799 00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:26,120 otherwise. And again, like you were saying 800 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,800 was like moving the Bitcoin to spite Trump. 801 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,760 And it's just like it's just to spite him. 802 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,560 Like it's just to like, you know, it's just absolutely 803 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,480 insane, absolutely short sighted. 804 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,480 They had the pieces to finish the wall. 805 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,200 It's no, it's in, it's, it's, it's absurd. 806 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,680 It's it's pretty crazy. But anyways, Bitcoin fixes all 807 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,520 this. Opti, what's your take on all 808 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,040 this, brother? Yeah. 809 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,960 Well, look, Nico, you and I have done our best throughout the 810 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:59,240 last year or so to give the Democrat Party the the benefit 811 00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:02,000 of the doubt in regards to their takes on Bitcoin. 812 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,160 But as we've seen the last year and obviously longer, they've 813 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,680 been doing everything to try to handicap the Bitcoin movement, 814 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,880 the Bitcoin industry and Bitcoiners at large. 815 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,360 And I don't think it's a coincidence that the first 816 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,520 business day after the Trump speech at the Bitcoin 817 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,440 conference, they start to move their Bitcoin around one. 818 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,360 I think, though we don't fully know yet if they're selling it, 819 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,640 which is not fully clear. But I mean, why else would they 820 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,400 be moving their Bitcoin after Trump said like we want a 821 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,160 strategic stockpile of Bitcoin? Though very interesting point of 822 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,200 the fact that they moved that much Bitcoin. 823 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,720 I'm pretty sure the fee cost was like $0.66, which like you 824 00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:43,720 couldn't do in traditional financial world, which obviously 825 00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:47,360 shows the use case of Bitcoin to anyone that is paying attention 826 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,840 to the technicals here. But as ROH Khanna was saying, 827 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,160 and you know, we've been saying this for a long time on the 828 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:57,640 show, we, we get a lot of Flack for it, but Bitcoin is the money 829 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,120 of the people. It is the most inclusive, 830 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,720 equitable. What else are the means that 831 00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:05,240 they use fair money in the world like Bitcoin is for anyone, 832 00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:08,000 anyone that understands the problems of the world, which is 833 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,560 the broken money should be saving in Bitcoin. 834 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,920 And I've gotten a lot of Flack on the show and Nico's got gave 835 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,240 me some pushback on it because I, I started to go really hard 836 00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:21,000 on the Democrat Party when they started to fight Bitcoiners. 837 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,040 But it's it, it really blows my mind that supposedly the party 838 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,280 of progressives is the party that is actively fighting 839 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,440 Bitcoin and paying cover for, you know, the, the corporate 840 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,640 lobbyist and big business and all the stuff that they 841 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,760 supposedly claim to fight against. 842 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,480 And now I think, as we say all the time, Bitcoin has a way of 843 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,280 exposing incentives and, and the emperor has no clothes. 844 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,880 It's becoming very clear that the people in power at the 845 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,000 Democrat Party, we do not care what their constituents think in 846 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,280 regards to Bitcoin. There's a huge untapped market 847 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,800 of Bitcoin. There's a voting population that 848 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,240 are seeing the writing on the wall. 849 00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:59,760 And they're like, all right, so I may be a Democrat. 850 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,920 And now that party is actively fighting against my best 851 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,920 interests. And as we saw yesterday, the 852 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,280 fact they're moving that Bitcoin will probably cover this by the 853 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,040 end of the week. We'll see what actually happened 854 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,160 with that Bitcoin, whether it hits an exchange or not. 855 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,600 I don't think it's a coincidence that we heard the speech from 856 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,920 Tom and now that bitcoins moving and it really is what you guys 857 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,280 just said. You know, it seems like the 858 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,880 Democrat Party is doing whatever they can despite anything Trump 859 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,360 is doing. And it also kind of reminds me 860 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,600 of what we've been saying for a while on the show of late stage 861 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:35,000 Fiat that the the people in power are literally just robbing 862 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,040 the empire of everything that they can before they realize 863 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,520 that they are going to lose their positions in power. 864 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,080 And again, you know, standard meme of man thinking of the 865 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,320 Roman Empire. We've seen this happened before 866 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,800 in the past. This is not a new scenario 867 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,160 playing out. If you're a student of history, 868 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,840 you know that this happens once the empire starts to crumble and 869 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,200 hopefully we can write this ship, which is what a lot of 870 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,720 bitcoiners want to do. I'm I'm not really in the camp 871 00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:03,640 of a being an acceleration as it's burning it all down because 872 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,360 I think that would be worse for all of us. 873 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,720 I think there's still time to fix and and rewrite the course 874 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:13,280 of of humanity, of planet Earth, of America in general, but it's 875 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,320 going to take a lot of work. And the party that is in power 876 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,880 right right now seems to be actively doing everything they 877 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,200 can to stop Bitcoin, which is obviously horrible for 878 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,120 Bitcoiners, but horrible for everyone at large. 100%, I think 879 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,800 that's a really, really good point, man. 880 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,600 So yeah, anyways, I hope this changes and I can't iterate the 881 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,200 point enough. And that I said in the 882 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,880 beginning, Bitcoin is not a left to right thing. 883 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,320 It's not a liberal versus conservative. 884 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,320 It's really the party of Fiat versus the party of Bitcoin, the 885 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,240 party of green versus the party of orange. 886 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,120 And hopefully we have more Democrats like Ro Khanna, you 887 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,000 know, coming to their senses and realizing you can't stop 888 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,600 Bitcoin, right? But what's the Kamala Harris 889 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:52,640 thing again? Opti. 890 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,840 What can be unburdened by what has been? 891 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,600 We should just keep meming that into it. 892 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,080 We just make that a meme. We should just make that a bad. 893 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,240 Meme. But it's a good meme. 894 00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:02,640 We should. Just make that a Bitcoin meme 895 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,880 anyways guys, if you're enjoying the show right now, the 1220 of 896 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,520 you guys that are watching live just between YouTube and and X 897 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,320 and also the 50 or so of you guys watching live on rumble, 898 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,840 make sure to smash that like button really really helps with 899 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,200 the algos all right everybody. Hey, wait, wait, Nico, before 900 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:19,920 you go, Muzz wanted to chime in real quick. 901 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,240 I was just going to say we really don't know what was 902 00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:26,560 behind that move. And we may end up congratulating 903 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,920 the US government on implementing some very advanced 904 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,200 UTXO management. This is true. 905 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:33,880 I mean, let's be real, we don't know. 906 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,080 This is true 100% it's true. Maybe. 907 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,760 Somebody wants to play with a Sparrow wallet at the 908 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,960 government. They need some tests, you know 909 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,560 they're. Yeah, bro, they, they just 910 00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,600 watched ABTC sessions video and they're just like, all right, 911 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,680 let's do a test transaction. But it was with 10,000 Bitcoin. 912 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:54,640 That could be it. That could be it. 913 00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:57,600 Set up coming soon for the US government. 914 00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,400 Let's get to the culture. Lots to talk about. 915 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:09,280 The daily culture. 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I don't really answer Twitter 925 00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,240 DMS or e-mail these days, so if you want to reach me directly 926 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,080 download the orange pull up, send me a message and I take the 927 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:47,160 time every week or so to answer every single one of you guys. 928 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:51,000 So download the orange pull up today, scan the QR code, check 929 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,680 the link in the video description stack friends who 930 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,440 stacks hats all right, passing it on to Opti and Muz. 931 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,840 I'm so excited for this conversation cuz guys like this 932 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,680 is I don't think this is I don't think this is something that 933 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,240 I've heard a lot of people ask. I've heard a lot of people talk 934 00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:09,000 about, but I'll pass pass that on. 935 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,800 I'll pass that question on to Muz First. 936 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:16,560 It it, it's almost as if the game is skewed for individuals 937 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,760 who want to invest in companies. Like it's like, and it's a 938 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,760 little bit unfair, like, you know, imagine being able to get 939 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,880 into Amazon, imagine being able to get into Facebook and how 940 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,960 current, how things currently function. 941 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,760 It's pretty difficult to get into those early, early stage 942 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,040 startups as an investor, especially if you don't have a 943 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:40,000 lot of money. Yeah, and there's a there's a 944 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,800 big learning curve too, and it's completely unfair. 945 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,400 And it's just a part of the system, right? 946 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,120 It's just another way, you know that the government hates you. 947 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:49,960 That's pretty much. It's true. 948 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,560 That's pretty much what it comes down to. 949 00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,360 And I remember when I started investing in private companies 950 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,040 are wanting to learn more, right? 951 00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,840 You start reading a few books and you see what type of returns 952 00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,280 you can make and then you start to learn and then you start to 953 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,720 where can I do this? OK, if you are an accredited 954 00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:09,720 investor, even if you are an accredited investor, OK. 955 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:12,400 And that's a certain level of income and net worth 956 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,760 requirements. Even then, it's still hard to 957 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,400 find deals. Even then, it's still hard to 958 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,360 learn and go right, especially with small minimums as you're as 959 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,680 you're learning because it is a, it is a long journey. 960 00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:27,480 And then there's these crowdfunding portals where 961 00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,120 anyone can invest. So if you're an unaccredited 962 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:34,000 investor or what, no matter what, you can invest something, 963 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,760 OK and something is better than nothing. 964 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,680 And some of that's dynamic after a certain point, but it's all 965 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,840 you fill it out, you putting it in there and you know they'll 966 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,640 they will allow you to invest. So that's fairly new. 967 00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:52,160 It started in 2012 with the regulation crowdfunding as a 968 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,160 part of the JOBS Act under Obama. 969 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,720 And that allows for private companies to actually raise 970 00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:01,000 capital directly from people, right? 971 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:05,080 Whether it's their biggest fans or aspiring investors, it 972 00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,360 provides some access to this area. 973 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,200 So it's fairly new and there was a lot of, there was a lot of big 974 00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,240 companies that came out and started doing this. 975 00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:19,960 Whether you had 15 juice bars in the, in the, in Texas or you 976 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:24,480 were working on an AR headset or you had a, a startup or a SAS 977 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,960 company or whatever. You could actually put a little 978 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,920 bar on your website, raise money from some of your your biggest 979 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:35,320 fans and your users and deal directly with and allow people 980 00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,680 to participate in these funding opportunities, which are 981 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,000 otherwise like really hard to get into. 982 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,560 So that's really what Thunder Funder is. 983 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:51,480 It's a new regulated portal where anyone can invest in open 984 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:56,920 source startups, projects and Bitcoin projects. 985 00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,880 So that's what we're doing. It's an extension. 986 00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:03,440 It's a new evolution from Lightning Ventures, which we 987 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:07,800 invested in pretty much. I mean, most of the outstanding 988 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,920 awesome Bitcoin startups here. And we're able to offer those 989 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,680 opportunities to people, but they had to be accredited. 990 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,760 They had to be an accredited investor. 991 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,440 And you know, I like to often joke, everyone's an accredited 992 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,040 investor if you click the right button. 993 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,400 And that's actually true because that's how it works. 994 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,800 But we're removing that whole hurdle, getting a, a regulated 995 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,960 portal. Now we can talk about the deals 996 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,760 live, we can have fun, we can do more things in a, in a public 997 00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,040 space that we can't do with what we were doing with, with 998 00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,200 Lightning ventures. So I'm super excited about it 999 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,640 and I'm just glad that you had me on, man Thanks. 1000 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,760 Man, and and that's incredibly so. 1001 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:54,280 And the walk, like, let's walk through the process, right? 1002 00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,520 Let's just say, and I kind of went through this muz and you 1003 00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,000 were basically my first experience investing into 1004 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:01,840 startups. And you're right, the learning 1005 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,240 curve is quite high. Kind of don't know what you're 1006 00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:06,080 doing. I'm just throwing a couple 1007 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:07,720 thousand there, a couple thousand there, a couple 1008 00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:08,920 thousand there. I have no idea. 1009 00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:12,880 So what would be like? It seems like it's. 1010 00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,520 Thank you Opti for answering the question, but I'll pass it on to 1011 00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,360 MAS like we. Got audio listed if. 1012 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,200 Someone wants to get started. What are the steps? 1013 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,800 So they head over to thunderfunder.com. 1014 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,680 What should they expect? What do they need to do? 1015 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,840 What is the process like for someone that has absolutely no 1016 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,760 experience doing this? So let's just start with, you 1017 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,160 know, we just got this license Monday of last week. 1018 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,160 So really cutting it down to the wire in terms of, you know, 1019 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,280 doing what we did in Nashville. You know, we had two, two booths 1020 00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,760 and the pitch contest and the mainstage announcement. 1021 00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:54,640 Definitely down to the wire. And the process for getting our 1022 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:59,280 application completed included really scrutinizing every word 1023 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,920 on our website. OK, so this will become more 1024 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,640 robust, right? Building out a community 1025 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:10,200 education, OK, hackathons, tournaments, other sort of 1026 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,080 resources. We want to help a lot of 1027 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,040 founders too. We want to do a lot of good. 1028 00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,800 This is not just about join this platform and invest OK, that's 1029 00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,880 great. We need those people, OK, But 1030 00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,720 it's also about like, are you a builder? 1031 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,480 Are you looking for a job? Do you work in HR? 1032 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:30,920 Just building a community of people to get around to come 1033 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:37,520 into the open source and Bitcoin startup investing world. 1034 00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,200 You know, we invested in pleb lab. 1035 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,200 I love car. They're going to be a very early 1036 00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,040 partnership. OK, working with them on on on 1037 00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,800 the grass roots of it. You know, John's from Bolt Fun 1038 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,560 Bolt fun is on a little bit of a hiatus, but that style. 1039 00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,040 OK, so we need to put a lot in the community. 1040 00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,240 And we also had to pass a, a very rigorous initial test for 1041 00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:59,040 this website. So I look forward to a changing. 1042 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,960 But what do you do? You basically just click sign 1043 00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:03,160 up. OK. 1044 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,720 And when we, we have our first live deal, which looks like it's 1045 00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:11,320 going to be lane bits here in about 3 weeks, you'll just get 1046 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,240 an e-mail. You'll get an e-mail or you'll 1047 00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:15,840 see that day. Hey, the you have an opportunity 1048 00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,320 to invest in lane bits and you can read about the deal. 1049 00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:24,320 You can view the pitch deck and you can ask questions, OK, with 1050 00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:25,920 a message board and all that stuff. 1051 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,480 You can read the form C filing, which is actually what we had to 1052 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,280 file with the SEC to get the deal live. 1053 00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:33,880 And then you can choose to invest. 1054 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:38,520 And right now in the beginning, we are, it's just a Fiat 1055 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,520 investment for now. We're working on implementing 1056 00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:47,880 Bitcoin payments ASAP. That is something that we are 1057 00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,280 working on very soon. And that was the number one 1058 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,280 request that we got at Lightning Ventures. 1059 00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,760 How can I invest with Bitcoin? How can I invest using Bitcoin? 1060 00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,680 You know, we were locked into the Angelus platform. 1061 00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,560 They're great. Angelus is awesome, but they 1062 00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:07,280 just have no desire to implement Bitcoin payments that and it's 1063 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,960 just never going to happen. So I'm really looking forward to 1064 00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,080 that. I'm looking forward to all the 1065 00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,720 boundaries that we can push. Like what about if you're a 1066 00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:19,800 founder and you do a raise with with Thunder Funder and at the 1067 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,680 end when we're getting ready to close that maybe you had the 1068 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,440 option of accepting those funds in Bitcoin instead of just 1069 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,200 having to take a wire to your account, right? 1070 00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,960 Or maybe there's a little slider that we can kind of do that. 1071 00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,000 These things don't exist and we're going to do, I'm going to 1072 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,400 do my best to to try and bring all these exciting things out 1073 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,720 there. But so basically, Nico, you wake 1074 00:56:43,720 --> 00:56:46,440 up in the morning, you get that e-mail from Thunder funder. 1075 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:52,000 It says, Hey, you can invest in any company today, right? 1076 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,840 Whatever the company is that we're going live with. 1077 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,560 And you say, yeah, must man, I'm in. 1078 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,720 Here's $200.00. And you click the button and 1079 00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:01,640 maybe you want to use your American Express card and get 1080 00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:06,040 some rewards there, or you want to do the ACH transfer, or maybe 1081 00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,720 you want to send a $200.00 wire, which I would not recommend. 1082 00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:10,960 But you're going to fund that deal. 1083 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,320 We're going to do our campaign with everything that we we do 1084 00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,680 interviews, etcetera. And if we close that deal, let's 1085 00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,880 just say that it's $100,000, OK? So not a huge deal because we're 1086 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,240 allowed to raise up to five million with this license, OK? 1087 00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,200 So then what do we do? All those little investors are 1088 00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:33,760 basically consolidated into one line item on that company's cap 1089 00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,600 table and it'll say Thunder, Thunder Lane, Bits 001, whatever 1090 00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,240 it is, OK, And we're going to ship that money and that's 1091 00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,040 closed, OK. And in your dashboard, in your 1092 00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,840 portfolio there, you'll see that you have one investment. 1093 00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,320 Now this is completely illiquid, right? 1094 00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,400 With all the disclosures and disclaimers and every darn thing 1095 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,120 that FINRA makes this do. That is the reality of it. 1096 00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,800 There is no trading here. There are those things. 1097 00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,920 Other platforms have those things, right? 1098 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:06,680 But we're not doing that, OK? So you know, you're just waiting 1099 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,120 at that point in time. There could be some liquidity 1100 00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,520 opportunities down the road, but you need to assume that that 1101 00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:18,960 $200.00 that you just invested in lane bits or strike or bring 1102 00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,920 in or a mining company or whatever you're doing, you're 1103 00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,720 building that portfolio. This is low time preference. 1104 00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,040 It plays right into the same mindset that a lot of bitcoiners 1105 00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,400 have, OK, it is very low time preference. 1106 00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:31,960 So that's basically it. And. 1107 00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,640 And, and, and that's something also like to, to keep in mind, 1108 00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:40,240 right, Which is, it's not liquid, but it, it's you are 1109 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:44,880 essentially, you know, you are investing in a company that you 1110 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:50,360 believe has a, you know, you believe has a future and that 1111 00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,800 company eventually either goes public or gets acquired. 1112 00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:58,320 And that's where you potentially can make a tremendous amount of 1113 00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,240 money. Now you know the probability of 1114 00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:02,760 that. You know what? 1115 00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:06,160 What's the statistic Muzz? Like one in every 10 start? 1116 00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,880 It's like 9 out of 10 startups fail or something like that. 1117 00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,880 So look, there's a lot of different numbers and some will 1118 00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,920 say it's in the 70% and some will say it's 90% and some will 1119 00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,280 just exclude the really big winners, right? 1120 00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:21,840 You know, what's that Jeff Bezos quote? 1121 00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,360 You know, give me a 10% probability of having something 1122 00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,240 that'll do 100X and I'll take that bet, you know, every time. 1123 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,480 So look, your, your, your big wins, the big outliers, they 1124 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,760 call it return the fund will, will, will return the whole 1125 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,560 fund. Even for the ones that don't, 1126 00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,520 because there's a lot of deals where maybe you just get your 1127 00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,840 money back or maybe you get half your money back or maybe you get 1128 00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,600 three times your money. OK, but they're not going to be 1129 00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,640 those big returns. But those big returns are 1130 00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,840 certainly out there. And if you use an example like 1131 00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,720 pick any company, right? I don't want to pick one, but 1132 00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,800 pick your favorite early stage Bitcoin startup and if they're 1133 01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,600 raising on a $10 million safe note, right? 1134 01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,000 And we're going to go into all kinds of education, we're going 1135 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,760 to have a bunch of cool info to really breakdown how these 1136 01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,800 things work. What are these instruments? 1137 01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,280 Are they really as complicated? Do you need to have Harvard MBA 1138 01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,200 to invest in these startups? You do not. 1139 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,960 So it's a $10 million valuation and just back of the envelope, 1140 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:29,120 they become a. Half a billion dollar company 1141 01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:36,200 OK, so that's a 50 Xer, right? That's fifty times your money. 1142 01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,760 Now if you say all day long, well, why would I ever do this 1143 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,520 instead of buying Bitcoin? Why would I ever do this instead 1144 01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:43,480 of something else? Right? 1145 01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:48,360 It's not an either or and there are a lot of time periods where 1146 01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:52,040 it will over perform and there are other short time periods 1147 01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,760 where Bitcoin will over perform, right. 1148 01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,480 So it's all about complementing it, right? 1149 01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,880 It's, it's another asset class that you can invest in. 1150 01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:06,080 Like when we raised our first fund in 2021, the Bitcoin price 1151 01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:11,200 was like 6568 thousand, right? People invested, you know maybe 1152 01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:15,200 they sold that amount of Bitcoin right .4 whatever it was and 1153 01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,560 they invested 25,000 bucks into our first fund. 1154 01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:23,320 Well, here we are later. That fund that I have has a 1155 01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,000 small IRR markup, right? We have a small market it's 1156 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,080 single digits, OK. We just went through a 1157 01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,240 bloodbath, OK? Everything else came after it. 1158 01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,960 Block Fi and everything else went through a bloodbath. 1159 01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,080 Here we are are on the other side. 1160 01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:41,280 That fund's fully deployed and I get to to send the LP updates 1161 01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,520 that there is actually a markup, right? 1162 01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,240 It's performed positively and at that point in time during those 1163 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:51,640 updates, Bitcoin 53,000, you know, in the 40s, etcetera, 1164 01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,120 right. So it all depends on the time 1165 01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,240 horizon and what happens and kind of where you get in. 1166 01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,520 And that can go the other way too, right? 1167 01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:05,240 But I, I'm a big, I'm a big fan of diversifying and having 1168 01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,920 investments in these startups because the odds of Bitcoin 1169 01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:14,440 doing a 50X from here, you know, some new cool company, whether 1170 01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,400 it's foundation devices, I'm picking up your other sponsors 1171 01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,720 or the orange pill app, OK, which are both lightning 1172 01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,680 ventures portfolio companies, by the way. 1173 01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:30,560 You know, the odds of them doing a 10X or in a shorter amount of 1174 01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:34,000 time than Bitcoin 10X in from here is a lot sooner. 1175 01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:37,120 And it can happen very fast. And just in my own personal 1176 01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:43,000 portfolio, you know, something, something that's up 70X in less 1177 01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,720 than 24 months. I've seen it like a habit. 1178 01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:50,880 I know it happens And I just, I'm not sure if bitcoins going 1179 01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,000 to do that. Conversely, you know, throwing, 1180 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,320 throwing some Bitcoin into a secure storage and not doing 1181 01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,720 anything with it. We all know it's not going, it's 1182 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,560 not going to zero. And there is actually an opera a 1183 01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:09,200 chance that these other investments could, you know, So 1184 01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:12,760 all of those disclosures, right? But the fact that the government 1185 01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,760 last thing I'll say on this, the fact that the government doesn't 1186 01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,280 want you to participate, OK, that you have to meet some 1187 01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,960 nonsense hurdle, OK, They want you poor. 1188 01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:23,920 They didn't want you buying Bitcoin. 1189 01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:25,920 Half of them still don't want you buying Bitcoin. 1190 01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,600 They don't want you investing in this stuff because these early 1191 01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,280 stage technology investments, it's it's massive. 1192 01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:32,920 When you look at the winds, it's massive. 1193 01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:37,000 I mean, $10,000.25 grand in Uber's seed round was like 100 1194 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,280 million at the IPO. Like, I don't even know how you 1195 01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,640 get that anywhere else. You know, 25 grand in Airbnb 1196 01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:47,480 seed round was like 2 billion. Like with AB at the IPO, Like 1197 01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:48,400 where? How do you do that? 1198 01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:52,000 Yeah, that takes 11 years. OK, Eleven years. 1199 01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:53,960 You had to wait. I think it was worth the wait. 1200 01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,160 And those are two outlier examples, right? 1201 01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,120 But there are there are many of those type of examples. 1202 01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:04,560 But yet the government will let you walk into any casino. 1203 01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:06,800 You don't have to meet any income requirement. 1204 01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,680 I can ruin my life. I can ruin my life. 1205 01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,880 And that's actually their business model. 1206 01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:17,120 The casino relies on that, that they they need that to exist. 1207 01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,080 And yet that's totally fine. But you know what if I want to 1208 01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,720 put 1000 bucks and start nine? Oh no, no, no. 1209 01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,880 The government needs to protect me from doing anything like 1210 01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,640 that. So it's complete nonsense and 1211 01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,800 I'm just excited that we finally have something that that's open 1212 01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,800 to everyone. Absolutely, 100%. 1213 01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,320 And and I can't, can't emphasize this enough to everybody. 1214 01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,200 Like you're investing in the Bitcoin industry and you're 1215 01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,240 investing in the Bitcoin ecosystem. 1216 01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:46,560 So you're supporting Bitcoin entrepreneurs build Bitcoin 1217 01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,000 products of which you are going to use, right? 1218 01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,600 This is what you, this is exactly what Thunder Funder 1219 01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:53,800 focuses on. You guys are focusing on 1220 01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,600 essentially supporting and building out the Bitcoin 1221 01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:00,120 industry and a lot of things that what I, what I've noticed 1222 01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,480 with a lot and Opti and I are both in this vote, as you know, 1223 01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,160 as you know, building in Bitcoin, even though it's it's a 1224 01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,520 media company, it's a little bit different of a business model, 1225 01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:12,680 but it's still a business nonetheless, you know? 1226 01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,040 Yeah. So sometimes you have to invest 1227 01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,440 in yourself. You do, you know, and we're 1228 01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,560 taking the the masochist route of bootstrapping. 1229 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:25,040 But you know, not everyone, not everyone could do that, right? 1230 01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,720 Let's have some fun right here. Let's have some fun right here. 1231 01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,640 So you got this awesome Daily Show, right? 1232 01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,000 Simply Bitcoin. You've been doing it forever. 1233 01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,560 You guys grind like nobody's business, right? 1234 01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,080 OK, you're here. You got this simply Bitcoin and 1235 01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:42,960 you say to me, must damn it, if I just had 800 grand and we 1236 01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:46,320 could do like you know, we could have like we could take it to 1237 01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,000 the next level. We could do so much more and you 1238 01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:53,480 have a plan, right, So you can bootstrap and you can grind it 1239 01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:58,640 out and you can go that way. But you could come to Thunder 1240 01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,680 funder and say, you know what, we're going to come up with 1241 01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:04,360 something very creative and we work with you on Rs us, right, 1242 01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:09,200 Some revenue sharing unit, OK, type of a deal for your media 1243 01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:13,200 company that allows you to leverage that to all of your all 1244 01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,040 your fans and all these people out there. 1245 01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:21,520 And you know, if they invest 100 bucks or 200 bucks or 12 grand, 1246 01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:26,360 whatever they decide to invest in you, it aligns them with your 1247 01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,640 success. They're your biggest fans, you 1248 01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:33,440 know, and it's really cool to be able to offer that to the people 1249 01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:35,880 that, that are there to support you, right? 1250 01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:40,200 You get to leverage them and you get to to to give them a return, 1251 01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:41,600 right? You get to do the right thing 1252 01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,680 and you get to involve them. So it's, it's something that I I 1253 01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:48,120 really hope that creatively people like yourself, even, you 1254 01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:51,920 know, creative mining deals, right, where you can invest Fiat 1255 01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:55,760 and receive a dividend type of a payment in Bitcoin. 1256 01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,600 OK, We can do a lot with this Reg CF license. 1257 01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,120 A lot of the things that are out there in Normieland, you know, 1258 01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,560 they do things like they'll, they'll buy Michael Jordan's 1259 01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,800 first pair of tennis shoes and you know, you can invest in 1260 01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:09,880 that, right? Yeah. 1261 01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,960 The the government says it's OK without qualifying. 1262 01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:16,200 All right, you want to invest 200 bucks into a share of 1263 01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,000 Michael Jordan's shoes that they acquired from this auction. 1264 01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,360 Now this is not, I'm not talking like crypto and now it's trick. 1265 01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,360 No, I don't mean like that, but like that's that's the deal is 1266 01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:30,160 you have that, that piece and then when they sell that OK or 1267 01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,360 however that happens, you can earn a return. 1268 01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,720 They do it with Picasso paintings, they do it with with 1269 01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:39,120 other Fine Arts and they've gotten really creative on ways 1270 01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:42,480 that they can utilize this license and sort of new ways 1271 01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,840 straight debt deals at interest rates, right? 1272 01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:48,840 Maybe there's somebody who's building the Bitcoin citadel, 1273 01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,200 right? And he's got, you know, 700 1274 01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,080 acres somewhere and there's a model and there's a whole plan 1275 01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,040 for that, right? Or the private cities and those 1276 01:07:57,040 --> 01:08:00,440 type of things, right? Really cool out there ideas and 1277 01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:05,120 I I want to be creative in the things that we get on the 1278 01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:08,440 platform. So I hope maybe we even do a a 1279 01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,720 simply Bitcoin deal. Hey, Mas. 1280 01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,880 Hey, Mas. You mentioned investing 100 or 1281 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,600 $200.00. Is there a minimum investment 1282 01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:19,000 for the audience out there or like what's the requirement 1283 01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,600 here? So that actually comes down to 1284 01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,760 what the, what you guys want or what the founders want. 1285 01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:28,680 OK, We'll be able to once we have a little bit more 1286 01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,880 experience because we haven't closed a deal on there yet. 1287 01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,680 I mean, we have experience from the accredited syndicate and 1288 01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,200 Lightning Ventures. But once we figure out what 1289 01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,080 people want, we can tell the founders what works best. 1290 01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:43,439 But ultimately it's your decision and someone might have 1291 01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:47,359 a, you know, I, I don't, I only, I want to have a $500 minimum. 1292 01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:49,840 If that's what you guys want or if that's what the founder wants 1293 01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,000 or whoever, then that's what we'll do. 1294 01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:55,200 We're there to work with them if they say, you know, whatever 1295 01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:59,160 works best for the platform and if the minimum is 100 or 250 or 1296 01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,640 whatever it is, there's just ultimate flexibility. 1297 01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,840 There isn't a set number. We want to do what the 1298 01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:08,279 entrepreneurs and the founders want and what's best for them. 1299 01:09:08,399 --> 01:09:10,560 So we're just here to work with them. 1300 01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,520 Absolutely. I mean, that's beautiful. 1301 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,840 It's extremely exciting. Guys. 1302 01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:19,399 Head over to thunderfunder.com today. 1303 01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:24,000 Check it out, support invest into the Bitcoin ecosystem. 1304 01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,160 What Mike was saying, this is alternative, right? 1305 01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:30,240 And you know, it kind of gives you and it gives you an amazing 1306 01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:32,600 opportunity. Like now it's it's easy to say, 1307 01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,640 it's easy to say this in hindsight, but imagine if you 1308 01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,720 had the opportunity to invest in something like strike in the 1309 01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:41,520 very early days, right? I imagine if you had the 1310 01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:45,200 opportunity to invest in some of your favorite Bitcoin companies 1311 01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:50,240 that now are very well known. But you know, back then, you 1312 01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:52,080 know, you had the opportunity to invest in them. 1313 01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,960 You know, you already would have made and and you know, a great 1314 01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:57,800 investment, right? So this is the type of 1315 01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,280 opportunities. Trump said it in his speech. 1316 01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,360 This industry is just in his infancy. 1317 01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:06,120 I truly believe that. So yeah, it's, it's, you know, 1318 01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:09,960 it's, it's extremely exciting. So I do want to thank Muzz for 1319 01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,000 for coming on the show. Wait, let's give. 1320 01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:15,640 Let's give Muzz. What is the last two sets? 1321 01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:17,560 The final message you want to leave with the audience? 1322 01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:18,800 It could be about Thunder Thunder. 1323 01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:20,520 It could be about Bitcoin. It could be about life. 1324 01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:22,560 What's the final message you want to leave with the audience? 1325 01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:30,280 If you have any interest in learning about Angel investing, 1326 01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:33,360 learning about early stage companies, being on the 1327 01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:39,520 forefront of the coolest stuff out there, I I would urge you to 1328 01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,520 join our group. Get in the full, check out 1329 01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:46,240 thunderfunder.com, check out LTNG, dot Ventures, just get in 1330 01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:48,040 the fold. And that was one of my greatest 1331 01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:52,040 joys when I psychotically invested in over 1500 companies 1332 01:10:52,480 --> 01:10:56,400 in all sorts of industries is you're really on the tip of this 1333 01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,480 fear for everything that's going on. 1334 01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,680 The people that are doing flying cars, the people that are doing 1335 01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:05,560 drugs that make your dog live longer and VR headsets and all 1336 01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:09,640 of these kind of things, right? You get to see it all, you get 1337 01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:13,400 to, you get to see it all. And the, the, the innovation 1338 01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,000 that you see from these companies, it's inspiring. 1339 01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,440 It's inspiring to see what's going on. 1340 01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:22,160 So, you know, as much as I am, you know, I'm tasked with 1341 01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,640 shillingthunderthunder.com as much as I can. 1342 01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,400 It's really to start building the community. 1343 01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:32,760 We need a community of people that are not just investors. 1344 01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:35,280 So if you're thinking, Oh, well, you know, I don't, I would never 1345 01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:40,480 invest into into a startup. I would suggest just joining and 1346 01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:43,320 getting in the fold and seeing what's out there. 1347 01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:47,200 And we just went through like the craziest bear blow up. 1348 01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:49,600 I mean, Silicon Valley Bank. I don't know if your audience 1349 01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,480 was following that. There was a lot of of a lot of 1350 01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:55,480 scared people. That was a pretty wild weekend. 1351 01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,560 And I can tell you after being through the other side of it, 1352 01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,640 you know, when the IPO market is robust and there's a lot of 1353 01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:04,040 mergers and acquisitions, there's going to be so much 1354 01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:06,480 consolidation in this Bitcoin world. 1355 01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:10,280 What what they're going to buy a lot of these companies. 1356 01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:14,440 And if we all know that this is going to work, just like in the 1357 01:12:14,440 --> 01:12:18,320 late 90s and early 2000s, you know, you had a chance to, to 1358 01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:22,880 Cisco Systems, you know, Microsoft, AOL, there was just 1359 01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:25,800 so much that you could invest in at the time. 1360 01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:28,280 So it wasn't just about the Internet. 1361 01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:30,560 It was about all these things being built around the Internet. 1362 01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:33,840 And that's what I'm all about is as if we know bitcoins going to 1363 01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:35,600 win. What about everything else 1364 01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:37,640 around it? And how do you do that? 1365 01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:38,760 And you know what, not even that. 1366 01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,520 Like it's fun. It's fun to own a piece of some 1367 01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:43,240 of your favorite companies and startups. 1368 01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:46,880 So that's, that's pretty much it for my show of the day guys. 1369 01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,040 Well, dude, thank you so much for coming on the show, Mike. 1370 01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:55,040 I've seen Mike. You know, I've seen Mike, I 1371 01:12:55,040 --> 01:13:00,320 think about this, work on this for many, many years, and I've 1372 01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:03,360 just seen kind of just this evolve into what it is today. 1373 01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:07,960 I'm incredibly proud, might not understand fully because like I 1374 01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:12,040 said, I'm a media guy, but I know his heart is 100% behind 1375 01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:17,080 this and I'm incredibly excited to see how this ends up being 1376 01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,400 built out. And I also think it's an, it's 1377 01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:22,600 an opportunity. I've, I've, I've partaken in in 1378 01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:26,040 when, when Mike was with lightning ventures of partaking 1379 01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:29,240 put putting, you know, a couple $1000 behind some companies that 1380 01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:34,120 I know the name of and just to, you know, kind of diversify and 1381 01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,680 just, you know, cuz it's, it's always fascinated me. 1382 01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:40,280 So happy to have Mike on the show today and hopefully you 1383 01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:41,680 guys find it interesting as well. 1384 01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:44,560 So head over to funderthunder.com today. 1385 01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:47,800 This was your show for July 30th, 2024. 1386 01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:49,720 This is simply Bitcoin live. I'm your host, Nico. 1387 01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,800 This is my Co host, Optimus Fields and our special day. 1388 01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:57,600 A special guest for today is Muzman from Thunder funder. 1389 01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:59,000 All right, everybody, love you all. 1390 01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,720 We'll be back tomorrow for a brand new episode of Simply 1391 01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:06,200 Bitcoin Live. So it was brought to you by 1392 01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:10,080 bitcoinwell.com on a mission to enable independence.